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Speaker 2: hours now, Donald Trump kicked off the ballot for twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four in the state of Colorado. They say he

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Speaker 2: can't run for president. And we're all getting a crash

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Speaker 2: course and learning what the insurrection clause is about under

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Speaker 2: Section three of the fourteenth Amendment. And we thought we'd

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Speaker 2: go to Josh Blackman, who probably knows as much about

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Speaker 2: this as anybody. He's a professor of law and the

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Speaker 2: Centennial Chair of Constitutional Law at South Texas College of

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Speaker 2: Law in Houston. He's written a number of books, including

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Speaker 2: an introduction to Constitutional Law he co wrote with Randy Barnett.

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Speaker 2: He also some of his writings made its way into

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Speaker 2: the dissent of at least one of the judges on

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Speaker 2: the Colorado Supreme Court. So let's get let's get Josh

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Speaker 2: Blackman in here. Josh, how are you?

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 1: Going to talk to you, Well.

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Speaker 2: You are going to be the teacher and we're all

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Speaker 2: going to be your students. Because this, I think to

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Speaker 2: a lot of people seems baffling. Regardless of your feelings

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Speaker 2: about Donald Trump, they want to block him from being

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Speaker 2: on the ballot because he took part in an insurrection

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Speaker 2: in their opinion, But he's never been charged, tried or

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Speaker 1: So what gives right?

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Speaker 3: So Section three of the fourteenth Amendment was ratified in

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Speaker 3: the wake of the Civil War, and what it says

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Speaker 3: is certain people who took an oath to the Constitution

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Speaker 3: and then engage in its direction are then disqualified from

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Speaker 3: holding other positions. This position was used after the Civil

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Speaker 3: it kind of died out. And as they discussed in

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Speaker 3: more than one hundred and fifty years in the courts,

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Speaker 3: and now in the wake of January sixth, there into

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Speaker 3: concerted efforts verse impeached and removed Trump from office. Those

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Speaker 3: Trump from the ballot in many states, so far, the

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Speaker 3: other courts that rulement's issue said that Trump can't be

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Speaker 3: court went for the full monty, the whole nine yards.

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Speaker 3: They found that Trump must be disqualified. They put the

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court. And now it falls in the lap of

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Speaker 2: Does he need to be charged and tried and convictive

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Speaker 2: of insurrection to be barred from office over that kind

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Speaker 2: of actation. It seems in basic due process that you

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Speaker 3: Right, And that was a point raised by one of

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Speaker 3: Insurrections the criminal offense. No one's been charged with it.

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Speaker 3: Instead of using the sort of this civil election law dispute,

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Speaker 3: short answer is, I think there's a serious lack of

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Speaker 3: due process. But even more so, it's not for the

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Speaker 3: stake Court to decide how to enforce the insurrection clause.

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Speaker 3: It's for Congress. And we know this because there's a

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Speaker 3: decision by Chief Justice Chase, the Chief Justice of the

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Speaker 3: that's up to Congress and not the States to decide.

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Speaker 3: Hasn't forced that three There there's no federal legislation on

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Speaker 3: So we think this entire suite flaws can start to finish.

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Speaker 2: Does it seem like a political move because that's what

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Speaker 2: most people that I talked to today seem to think

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Speaker 3: Well, look, I mean the irony is Donald Trump's entire

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Speaker 2: Is there a legal definition of insurrection, because that word

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Speaker 1: So here's what I say.

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Speaker 3: Throughout world history, they're also in disputes about whether there's

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Speaker 3: He never went to the Capitol, he never barricaded a building,

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Speaker 3: he never stormed through the glass. He gave a speech,

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Speaker 3: and we say generally speech is protected by the first

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Speaker 3: no matter how you slice it, even if it was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't think Trump was charged with incitement

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Speaker 3: No, what he was charged with is obstruction and official proceedings.

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Speaker 3: They see that he tried to stop the count of

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Speaker 2: Government because you know, in my layman's head, insurrection to

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Speaker 3: Is not even close. So I think Trump engaging an

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Speaker 2: So what do you think it's likely to happen with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd heard today there's a twenty five states looking

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Speaker 2: but this has become quite widespread, this plan to remove

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Speaker 3: And I think that the people bringing these lawsuits are

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Speaker 3: not sort of you know, neutral nonpartisans. These are Democrats

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Speaker 3: I think at almost every level this sort of case

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, I appreciate you taking time to come

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Speaker 2: on with us and explaining what's going on. Josh Blackman.

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Speaker 2: He's the professor of law and Centennial Chair of Constitutional

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Speaker 2: And look forward to talking with you again someday if

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 3: You know it, talk soon.

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Speaker 1: All right, There you go, Josh Blackman.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk in further detail about this, because this is

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Speaker 2: you can only assume this is part of some kind

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Speaker 2: of master plan. I'm starting to get pushed into fringe

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Speaker 2: to what you missed. We just had on a professor

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Speaker 2: from his name's Josh Blackman from South Texas College, professor

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Speaker 2: it was the Colorado Supreme Court voting four to three

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Speaker 2: Putting aside whether that was an insurrection on January sixth,

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Speaker 2: So how could and I know how they could do it?

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Speaker 2: They do it because Supreme Court of Colorado is seven Democrats.

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Speaker 2: So there's no diversity of thought, no diversity of political beliefs,

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Speaker 1: This is one of these.

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Speaker 2: One of these trendy intellectual judicial debates that is sweeping

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Speaker 2: the nation among the woke and the progressives and the

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Speaker 2: anti Trump crowd. And again, you could hate Trump. He

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Speaker 2: could be everything you say he is. However, at the

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Speaker 2: Constitution says the only requirements to be president are you're

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Speaker 1: You were born here. That's It doesn't say anything.

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Speaker 2: Whether you're convicted or not, felon or not, whether you're

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Speaker 1: Those are the two requirements. You got to be.

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Speaker 2: be thirty five plus years old. Why is this so complicated?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't say that if you were adjacent to a crime,

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Speaker 2: This is to do nothing job that Gavin Newsom held

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Speaker 2: She couldn't even get that right. There's two qualifications that

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Speaker 1: It's a fake charge. There is no charge of insurrection

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Speaker 2: All right, more coming up, Oh Blake Trolley from Cafine

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Speaker 2: News is coming up with us because the LA police

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Speaker 2: have a crusade going against organized retail theft, the smash

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Speaker 1: If I Am six forty.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI Am

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Speaker 2: Trolley here from KFI News. With all the flashmob robberies,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, we've heard about the issue from the LAPD.

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Speaker 6: Now we heard about the high numbers of arrests that

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Speaker 6: So today or yesterday, Governor Newsom released the numbers from

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Speaker 1: He didn't say that, Dinny.

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Speaker 6: It's in the press release, John, and making more arrests

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Speaker 5: I gotta let me get the quote out at least.

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Speaker 1: God ahead.

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Speaker 5: No, No, that's it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they have side task force.

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Speaker 6: They are still state police, but the highways are supposed

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Speaker 2: I didn't pass one, nobody passed me. I didn't see

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Speaker 5: Night, you know, doubta Orge County.

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Speaker 2: So, because I would think that some of these thieves

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Speaker 6: According to a lot of officials. Just yesterday, John, there

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Speaker 6: It's a bipartisan group that was put together to focus

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Speaker 6: this Assembly committee hearing, again first of its kind, focused

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Speaker 6: on retail crime, Assembly mean Kevin McCarty. He's the new

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Speaker 6: chair of the Public Safety Committee. Here's his opening remarks

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Speaker 6: before they got underway.

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Speaker 7: I do take this new position as chair of the

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Speaker 7: Public Safety Committee seriously and partnering with this committee and

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Speaker 7: you know, realizing that the our constituents in Sacramento in

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Speaker 7: California want to us to take this issue seriously and

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Speaker 7: not just tink around the margins and focusing on accountability,

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Speaker 7: real accountability, more accountability, but also the flip side. I

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Speaker 7: don't overreact. We're not going back to the nineties and

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Speaker 7: mass incarceration.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, crimer's really low in the nineties. Bad John.

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Speaker 5: You got to hear this last part one more time.

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Speaker 7: Back to the nineties and mass incarceration twenty years plus

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Speaker 7: for stealing a piece of pizza.

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Speaker 5: Twenty years plus for stealing a piece of pezza.

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Speaker 2: So that's garbage. That was one case and that was

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Speaker 2: his third strike. Yeah, I'm so sick of hearing the

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Speaker 2: piece of pizza nonsense. Who is that Kevin McCarty. Where's

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Speaker 2: he from?

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Speaker 6: I believe he's out of the Sacramento area, but he

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Speaker 6: is the new Public Safety Committee chair.

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Speaker 1: Now is he?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Terrific?

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Speaker 2: Whath this is another disaster coming for the next year.

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Speaker 1: What what? And he's so soft spoken.

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Speaker 6: He's One last thing I want to touch on, though, John.

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Speaker 6: One last thing I do want to touch on is

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Speaker 6: is you know, by Newsome releasing those numbers yesterday, the

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Speaker 6: you know, the increases in the arrest from the Organized

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Speaker 6: Retail Crime Task Force from CHP that is technically or

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Speaker 6: not technically, but that is a metric that you can

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Speaker 6: look at. You know, one of the things we heard

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Speaker 6: about last week, and I spoke about Senator I spoke

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Speaker 6: with Senator Brian Jones about this this morning. You know,

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Speaker 6: he was signed off on that letter to the Little

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Speaker 6: Hoover Commission, which is studying possible policies on all of this.

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Speaker 6: And one of the things that they touched on is

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Speaker 6: that you can't rely on a lot of this study

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Speaker 6: data because a lot of retailers aren't even reporting.

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Speaker 1: This prime's at trust point.

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Speaker 6: But one thing I had asked him is do you

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Speaker 6: view this stat Knewsome releasing this stat about the arrest

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Speaker 6: going up and recovering more items as a viable stat

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Speaker 6: that you can now use to show, look, retail crime

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Speaker 6: is increasing from Prop forty seven. And yes, he said,

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Speaker 6: he does look at it that way, and he touched

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Speaker 6: on some of the issues that grocery stores and retailers

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Speaker 6: are having with reporting this. All right, Blake, very good,

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Speaker 6: thank you, all right, Thanks John Blake. Charlie Caffie News.

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Speaker 6: Arrests don't matter if they don't go to jail. I

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Speaker 6: knows him is just so.

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Speaker 2: He's such a phological, compulsive liar and deceiver who cares

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Speaker 2: about arrests that delays them for an hour and then

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Speaker 2: they go back and steal some more. We're not eight

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Speaker 2: years old. Everybody knows that only jail time matters. There's

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Speaker 2: only a fringe element that cares about a mass incarceration.

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Speaker 2: If we have mass thieves out there, If we have

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Speaker 2: a mass number of thieves, then you need mass incarceration.

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Speaker 2: The only way you can stop people from stealing things

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Speaker 2: if they keep stealing, is to put them away and

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Speaker 2: lock them up. It worked in the nineties. I don't

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Speaker 2: care how many prisoners are in prison. I don't care

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Speaker 2: how many prisons are built. I don't care how much

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Speaker 2: money they spend on it. The more thieves you have

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Speaker 2: locked up in prison, the less stealing goes on. And

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Speaker 2: everybody knows this too. I don't care what color they are.

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Speaker 2: I don't care about things being proportioned or disproportioned. If

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Speaker 2: the guy did the crime, put him in jail. And

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Speaker 2: if he keeps committing the same crime over and over,

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Speaker 2: then put him in jail and keep him there. And

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Speaker 2: what a wiener that guy McCarty is. Oh, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have a good time with him twenty twenty four, aren't we?

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Speaker 2: Because it's an ideology with them, it's a religious belief.

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Speaker 2: It's a religious belief not to jail and imprison people

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Speaker 2: for crime. And what a shock you pass Prop forty seven.

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Speaker 2: You can steal nearly one thousand dollars and there's there's

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Speaker 2: no consequence, And wow, that goes way up. It's twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. It's going to be ten years of Prop

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Speaker 2: forty seven. Ten years. It is such a failure. It

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Speaker 2: is so stupid. But they knew it was going to

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Speaker 2: be a failure. It was written by George Gascone. This

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Speaker 2: is ever ever going to come to an end? More

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Speaker 2: coming up. John Cobelt showed up.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM

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Speaker 4: six forty.

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Speaker 2: Weird story that was on the front page of the

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Speaker 2: El Segundo Times. You remember during the campaign Karen Bass,

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Speaker 2: it was discovered that she had gotten a USC scholarship.

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Speaker 2: She got in a free education to get a master's

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Speaker 2: degree in social work. And it was with the same

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Speaker 2: department head, the dean of the Dean of social Marilyn Flynn.

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Speaker 2: It the same woman who made that dirty deal with

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Speaker 2: Mark Ridley Thomas. And Ridley Thomas was convicted and should

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Speaker 2: be going to prison. Marilyn Flynn was convicted too, but

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Speaker 2: she turned on Ridley Thomas. So they gave her a deal.

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Speaker 2: And she's eighty three, so they gave her house arrest

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Speaker 2: or something like that. But during that prosecution we found

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Speaker 2: out that the prosecutors wrote about the best scholarship and said,

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Speaker 2: the best scholarship is exactly the same deal that Ridley

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Speaker 2: Thomas got. Because Bass did favors in Congress for USC,

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Speaker 2: she got some bills passed that would benefit USC, and

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Speaker 2: so the prosecutor said, yeah, same deal Karen Bass, same

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Speaker 2: corruption as Mark Ridley Thomas.

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Speaker 1: But they never charged her with anything.

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Speaker 2: Although gee, if we used the Donald Trump standard, maybe

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Speaker 2: maybe we should bar her from becoming mayor because she

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Speaker 2: should be a convicted felon, except she's not.

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Speaker 1: You see how it works.

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Speaker 2: This is why you can't do this if you if

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Speaker 2: you bar Trump from the presidency because he was not

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Speaker 2: charged with insurrection, well then you could bar Karen Bass

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Speaker 2: from being mayor because she was not charged with corruption

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Speaker 2: in that scholarship case. Anyway, the reason I'm bringing this

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Speaker 2: up is there's two detectives in the LAPD Internal Affairs

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Speaker 2: Division say they were ordered to investigate Karen Bass after

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Speaker 2: she was elected.

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Speaker 1: And you know who they say asked them to do this.

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Speaker 2: It was the police chief, Michael Moore, because Moore was

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Speaker 2: going to be up for renewal and Bass would be

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Speaker 2: deciding whether he gets a new term or not. And

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Speaker 2: I guess Moore didn't like Bass or didn't trust her.

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Speaker 2: So looks like of coury, if you believe their story,

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Speaker 2: he was angling maybe to have something get in the

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Speaker 2: way of her becoming mayor, like doing a separate investigation

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Speaker 2: through internal affairs, which normally would not be used for

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Speaker 2: something like this.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that weird?

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Speaker 2: Of course, now Michael Moore is denying this very strongly,

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Speaker 2: up and down. But where would this come from? Unless

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Speaker 2: somebody is trying to smear more now more, of course,

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Speaker 2: is a class a weenie. He was the one who

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Speaker 2: took a knee with Garcetti during the George Floyd riots,

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Speaker 2: so we know what side he's on. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: mean the people were riding where they burned eighty eight

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Speaker 2: stores in the Fairfax District, and then I realized, you know,

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Speaker 2: it hit me in the last few weeks with all

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Speaker 2: the anti Jewish hatred going on, It's like, well, of

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Speaker 2: course they burned eighty eight stores in Fairfax District. I

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Speaker 2: bet you a lot of those were Jewish owned stores.

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Speaker 2: And of course the government didn't do anything about it,

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Speaker 2: of course, because there's a lot of anti Jewish hatred

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Speaker 2: among the left wing Democrats and government, so they didn't

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Speaker 2: think it was a big deal if those shops burned.

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Speaker 2: It's all making sense now. In any event, the investigation

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Speaker 2: didn't go anywhere, but the detectives filed complaints with the

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Speaker 2: Office of the Inspector General and their allegation is more

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Speaker 2: wanted in investigation into the scholarship that Bass received, which

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Speaker 2: the Ridley Thomas prosecutor said was falling into the same

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Speaker 2: uh corruption abyss as the Ridley Thomas case. The Times

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Speaker 2: called the Office of Inspector General to see if it

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Speaker 2: did receive complaints, and office said, yes, we received communications,

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Speaker 2: and uh, but it doesn't. It's just not clear that

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Speaker 2: anything came to this. And then and then more more

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Speaker 2: is claiming that does never happened. Well, well something happened.

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Speaker 2: These stories don't come out of nowhere, but it's it is.

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Speaker 2: It is fascinating how she skated on this story and

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Speaker 2: Ridley Thomas didn't. And you wonder, I guess, I guess

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Speaker 2: maybe prosecutors were fed up with Ridley Thomas. I mean

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Speaker 2: he had he had sketchy stories for decades going back,

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Speaker 2: and maybe they decided, now, let's nail him. Bass never

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Speaker 2: had that kind of background. This was the only This

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Speaker 2: story about her scholarship was the only foul with that

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Speaker 2: I can remember involving her. But Ridley Thomas was always

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Speaker 2: sticking up the place with all remember I mean, what

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Speaker 2: was that story. Spent seven hundred thousand dollars in tax

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Speaker 2: money to renovate his office. Remember that that Debaco skated

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Speaker 2: on that. When we come back, we are going to

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Speaker 2: talk with Alex Stone. The US Border Patrol apprehended over

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Speaker 2: ten thousand migrants on Tuesday. Monday was eleven thousand. I

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Speaker 2: saw one story I got to find it which said

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Speaker 2: they had fourteen fourteen thousand encounters yesterday at the border.

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Speaker 2: It is overwhelming, and I've heard reports like Bill Malugin

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Speaker 2: with Fox he's standing there. I may have seen the

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Speaker 2: pictures today in the paper, thousands of thousands of people

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Speaker 2: gathered at the border, coming over the border, and there's

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Speaker 2: not a border patrol agent in sight. There's not one

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Speaker 2: federal employee anywhere near. It's just a complete abdication of

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Speaker 2: the border. And the Democrats in Congress are getting a

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Speaker 2: lot of heat because it turns out eighty percent of

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Speaker 2: the country thinks that the border's out of control. And

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Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be one of the rare times

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Speaker 2: where people vote on it, and it's gonna the vote's

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Speaker 2: gonna go against Biden unless they keep Trump off the

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Speaker 2: ballot for not committing a crime. Debor Mark Live in

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Speaker 2: the KFI twenty four hour Newsroom. Hey, you've been listening

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