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Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live, presented by Calia Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome to a Friday edition of One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. Good to have you

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Speaker 2: with us, as it is an OBIL Friday fan mail bag,

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Speaker 2: as it typically is, no matter what time of year

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Speaker 2: it is, winter, spring, summerfall, pre season, regular season, postseason,

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Speaker 2: off season, we are here to answer your most pressing

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Speaker 2: questions on the Bills, the NFL, the remaining playoff games

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Speaker 2: as it's conference championship weekend. Whatever you got on your mind,

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Speaker 2: lay it on us. Steve. I don't know about you,

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Speaker 2: but weather wise, you know, with this rain here the

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Speaker 2: last two days, we're getting a lot of melt and runoff,

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Speaker 2: snow melt and runoff. I had gargantuan icicles on my

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Speaker 2: house that I had to take care of, going from

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Speaker 2: my second floor to my first floor. It was bad,

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, big honkers, like couldn't even wrap your two

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Speaker 1: Thick they were, like those fifty pounds.

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Speaker 2: So I had they were more than that. So I

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Speaker 2: had to go up there because from my second floor

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Speaker 2: gutter down to my first floor front porch roof, it

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Speaker 2: had connected like it went and connected to my roof.

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Speaker 1: And when you say go up there, what do you mean, like, go.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not on the roof. So fortunately I've got

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Speaker 2: a bedroom window that I can open. And now here

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Speaker 2: here's me. Neighbors must have loved this. Here's me. And

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Speaker 2: I've got what's the name for those windows, casements, casement

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Speaker 2: windows and casement windows, thank you. And so they only

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Speaker 2: you know, crank them, gott to crank them, and they open.

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Speaker 2: So that only affords me so much room to get

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Speaker 2: my arm out with my shovel to jab at this

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Speaker 2: thing to try to pry it loose. And then I

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Speaker 2: have to protect the window that I just opened, oh,

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Speaker 2: because I've opened it. And so now I have to

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Speaker 2: just whack at the icicle in one direction because if

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Speaker 2: it goes, that shovel needs to be there to protect

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Speaker 2: my window from getting shattered by a one d and

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Speaker 1: I just like the Mayhem commercial, and you know, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: A very very real way. So you know, I'm half

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Speaker 2: my body's out of the window. I'm craning around the

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Speaker 2: open window that I crossed, the open opened towards the icicle.

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Speaker 2: So now I'm reaching all the way around, and I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to I mean, I must have looked like a

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Speaker 2: fool up there. So one of the kids in the neighborhood,

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Speaker 2: he's playing in the snow. He's got a snow day,

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Speaker 1: He pulls his phone out.

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Speaker 2: He's like, hey, what are you doing. I said, I

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Speaker 2: got to get this icicle off my gutter because it's

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Speaker 2: a little corner gutter and you got one hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty pound thing hanging. So I'm just trying to protect,

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Speaker 2: you know, the integrity of my roof. So I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: whacking at this thing, and finally it goes and fortunately,

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Speaker 2: you know, timber onto my porch roof below. But I

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Speaker 2: worried it's going to slide off and eventually, and you know,

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Speaker 2: God forbid hit somebody. I mean, it's in my front landscaping.

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Speaker 2: It's not gonna So I was I'm able to kind

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Speaker 2: a roof rake. I could have gone outside and tried

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Speaker 2: to pull it off with the roof rake the trip,

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Speaker 2: but what a deal that was. And then I had

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Speaker 2: easier to get to gently.

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Speaker 1: You got to insulate your roof.

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Speaker 2: Well I did, that's the thing, And I was like, is.

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Speaker 1: It just because it do I have to redo this?

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Speaker 1: Everything's melting on the aid. No, it wasn't even the

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know what was going on, but I

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Speaker 2: looked around the neighborhood. Everybody had the same problem. So

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Speaker 2: I was like, all right, it's not It's probably not

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Speaker 1: Right, and that's what does it too? Same with me.

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Speaker 2: I they're all gone now.

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Speaker 1: Thankfully I don't have any icicle stuff going on. But

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Speaker 1: what I do have is I have water management problems

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Speaker 1: because I live on My house is like a one

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Speaker 2: But yeah, anything you can to channel it away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm out digging motes. I'm ditch digging.

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Speaker 2: Basically, I'm I've.

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Speaker 1: Reached the pinnacle of success where I'm so rich I

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Speaker 1: can dig ditches with a shovel, not even a back,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was out there with the roof raight. You

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Speaker 2: know when we got all that snow a little over

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Speaker 2: a week ago. It's you got to get it off

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Speaker 1: You say something. I'm still in the mind. I'm still

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Speaker 1: six years old. If I see a nice signal, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Whacking it, whacking it away.

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Speaker 1: I've been waving it around.

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Speaker 2: Those things were nothing to joke about. That.

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Speaker 1: Some of them you get there, they're really big. I've

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Speaker 2: Oh when it hit the ground, yeah, like I finally

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Speaker 1: Funny that way and Buffalo Western New York is they

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Speaker 1: were not talking tonybody. Everybody who lives here knows it.

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Speaker 1: It's not like the snowstorms over the that's not what's in.

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Speaker 2: They're done. We don't care though.

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Speaker 1: It is a great man. It's right. Well, we can

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Speaker 1: get a day off work, stay home, pop some popcorn whatever,

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Speaker 1: go out and play in it goes snowshooting on. This

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Speaker 1: is the weather makes you want to leave town. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I do rain and thirty eight yeah forty.

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Speaker 1: One pourn rain and it's melting snow like like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I when I drive home, this is the

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Speaker 2: pass over all those creeks in West Seneca. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: they already got ice jams in there.

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Speaker 1: They're raging too, ice jams.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's just a mess.

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Speaker 1: This is yes. I think I think the would back

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Speaker 1: me up on I'm not. I consider myself a local,

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Speaker 1: but i'm you know, I moved here when I was twenty.

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Speaker 2: You've put your time in more than half your life

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Speaker 1: So I think the locals back then. This is the

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Speaker 1: kind of weather that makes Buffalo hard to take. It's

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Speaker 2: This is yeah. And it's the worst time of year

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you may as watch we both do you almost, yes,

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Speaker 1: you almost have to have in your house either a

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Speaker 2: Chaos, it's absolute chaos. And now I've got to go

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Speaker 2: enough about that, we got to go around the NFL

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Speaker 2: because the coaching positions are filling up quickly and we

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Speaker 2: want to bring up to speed around the NFL. Presented

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Speaker 2: by Kalida Healthy, official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 2: and we begin first with the Bills. Related news. ESPN's

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Speaker 2: Jeremy Fowler is reporting that interim OC Joe Brady has

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Speaker 2: interviewed with Sean McDermott for the job on a permanent basis,

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Speaker 2: but he is not the only candidate. Fowler is also

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Speaker 2: reporting that Tampa Bay quarterbacks coach Thad Lewis will interview

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Speaker 2: that had a cup of coffee with the Bills as

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Speaker 2: the last two seasons as the Bucks quarterbacks coach. Prior

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Speaker 2: on some practice squads. Steve, he's got seven career starts,

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Speaker 1: Coming home, he's interviewing for the job. Joe Brady did

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Speaker 1: Quarterbacks will tell you it's nice to have a guy

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Speaker 1: we've we have you know, dan orlosk Orlowski's not wasn't

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Speaker 1: They make you know, like like Joe Brady or like

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Speaker 1: it really helps them in their next life is they

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Speaker 1: become a coach. They they realize all those dynamics and

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Speaker 1: Listen, CJ. Stroud, That that list you just read off

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Speaker 1: I'll say this to the league has a lot of flaws.

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Speaker 1: We all know it, I mean because we spend no time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they have those Coaches symposium also. That's where

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Speaker 2: they get the coaches from every team and executives from

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Speaker 2: every team in front of owners.

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Speaker 1: The thing that you got to say about it, the

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Speaker 1: best thing about it is while there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of flaws in the NFL with you know, racism and

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Speaker 1: then the whole thing and everything else. You can think

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Speaker 1: of the rules and the play replay and all that stuff, officiating,

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Speaker 1: the whole thing, the lack of the lack of h ownership, representation,

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Speaker 1: representation only the thing that the league is. I have

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Speaker 1: to say, that's why it's such a great league. They

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Speaker 1: don't shy from it. They had dressed they they they're trying. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, we stink at this. Let's you know what,

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Speaker 1: Let's put all the owners and all the the coaches

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Speaker 1: of guys who are hot shot coordinates. Let's put them

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Speaker 1: into a room together at the super Bowl and let

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Speaker 1: them get to know each other well.

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Speaker 2: And it's not just minorities, it's women too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. This, let's this building you and I work in.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you you it's unrecognized from the time when

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Speaker 1: I played, it's unrecognizable.

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Speaker 5: Well, and they're better for it. Well, yeah, they're way better.

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Speaker 5: And it's overdue, my gosh. So it's at least this

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Speaker 5: league tries, you know what I mean. It's not perfect,

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Speaker 5: but but they're trying and they have made a difference.

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Speaker 1: They and if they are not trying, they're's pointed out

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Speaker 1: and they do make an effort. And I'll say this too,

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Speaker 1: they don't shy away from it. They don't like they

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Speaker 1: don't they don't rationalize it. They're like, yeah, you know what,

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Speaker 1: you're right, we need to do better. And they they try.

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Speaker 1: They still have a long way to go, no question

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Speaker 1: about it. But now finally it's you know, starting the

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Speaker 1: commonplace where you got got I mean, it's just it's

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Speaker 1: just it was hard to you just couldn't ignore it.

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Speaker 1: And thankfully the league is now starting to say, listen,

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna ignore it. We're we're gonna put it

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Speaker 1: out there. We're gonna we're gonna diversify both not just

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Speaker 1: black and white, but male and female officials, coaches, everybody.

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Speaker 1: It's just they're better now. Guy. This building is so far,

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Speaker 1: it's so light years, so far ahead of where it

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Speaker 1: was when I was playing. It's not even it's not

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Speaker 1: even comparable. It's like a different sport almost, and it's

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Speaker 1: and it's better than it's ever been. I gotta say.

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Speaker 2: It is. An obl Fan Friday mail Bag. Any question

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Speaker 2: you have on the Bills, the league at large, the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: the upcoming draft, the combine, whatever it is you fired

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Speaker 2: off at us, Steve and I do our best to

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Speaker 2: answer your question. Eight oh three oh five fifty to

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Speaker 2: get on board. Don't forget hour number two. We've got

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Speaker 2: Greg co Sel, senior producer from NFL Films one last

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Speaker 2: time for this season, putting a rap and a bow

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Speaker 2: on Buffalo season that was. Now that it is in

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Speaker 2: the rearview of Marrion, we might even ask him about

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Speaker 2: the conference title games this weekend but in the meantime

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Speaker 2: we go to the phones and leading us off today

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Speaker 2: is Jay in Rochester. What do you got for us?

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Speaker 1: Jay?

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Speaker 6: Hey, guys, how's it going. Happy Friday? So a couple

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Speaker 6: quick questions. I know you guys are talking throughout the

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Speaker 6: week about the upcoming draft and what the Bills need

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Speaker 6: to possibly draft as far as you know, getting more

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Speaker 6: weapons on the offense. My first question is what's going

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Speaker 6: on with Justin Shorter? Is he expected to do possibly

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Speaker 6: something next season? I know he was fighting through injury.

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Speaker 6: And then my second question is as far as the

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Speaker 6: defensive side goes, I know, you know a lot of

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Speaker 6: people on that side are getting older. I was thinking

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Speaker 6: what your guys' philosophy or thoughts were on possibly drafting

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Speaker 6: a rookie safety and maybe having if Poyer could stay,

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Speaker 6: i know, hide maybe a little bit more questionable with

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Speaker 6: his recent injuries and stuff like that, So maybe drafting

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Speaker 6: the safety, possibly keeping Poyer on and kind of showing

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Speaker 6: him the ropes, you know, showing him that role. And

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Speaker 6: then last question, third question is who do you guys

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Speaker 6: got for the games this weekend? Appreciate you taking my call. Well, guys,

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Speaker 6: have a great weekend.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all right, thanks Jay, First and foremost with

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Speaker 2: respect to Justin Shorter, he's going to be in the mix.

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Speaker 2: He's under contract, he's cheap labor, you know, as a

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Speaker 2: former fifth round draft choice, and he'll be given every

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Speaker 2: opportunity through the course of you know, offseason conditioning program OTAs,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, to prove he deserves a spot

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Speaker 2: on this roster, and the rubber will meet the road

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Speaker 2: ultimately in training camp in the preseason for him. But

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Speaker 2: I think there will be openings now. I do also

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Speaker 2: expect this team to add to the receiver room in

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Speaker 2: the form of high choices, hopefully too, if I had

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Speaker 2: my druthers, But we'll have to wait and see how

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Speaker 2: the board falls before we know definitively. But I don't

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Speaker 2: expect the Bills to make any major splashes at the

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Speaker 2: receiver position in free agency because they just quite frankly,

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Speaker 2: do not have the money for a position that is

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Speaker 2: one of the higher paid positions in the league. I

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Speaker 2: think they have to reinvest with high draft capital in

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Speaker 2: that position to give it what it needs to get

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Speaker 2: the passing attack back to the high flying passing game

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Speaker 2: we were used to seeing in previous years and the

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Speaker 2: caliber of players who can force teams out of the

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Speaker 2: cover two shell that they saw week after week after

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Speaker 2: week after week. And what happened? You play a good

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Speaker 2: defense like the Chiefs, who's second in the league in

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Speaker 2: points allowed, second in the league in sacks. And what's

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Speaker 2: your longest play from scrimmage in that game? An eighteen

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Speaker 2: yard scramble by Josh Allen That flat out is not

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Speaker 2: good enough. I think the Bills are well aware they

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Speaker 2: have to reinvest with high draft capital to improve the

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Speaker 2: receiver room at an affordable figure and make themselves better

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Speaker 2: there safety. I wouldn't be surprised if they draft a safety. However,

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Speaker 2: I don't expect it to be with one of their

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Speaker 2: first three picks. Why because you can get really quality

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Speaker 2: safeties later in the draft. Mikeah Hyde was a fifth

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Speaker 2: round pick, Jordan Poyer was a sixth round pick. You

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Speaker 2: can find quality safeties later in the draft, much like

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Speaker 2: you can find quality running backs later in the draft.

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Speaker 2: So I would lean in that direction if you're gonna

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Speaker 2: use a draft choice on a safety.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And for the end of your thing about the games

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Speaker 1: this weekend, I was we were sitting there getting ready

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Speaker 1: for the show, and I go, are we gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about the games? I was like, eh, Brownie's like eh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. You want to like we.

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Speaker 2: Probably will with Greg Kosel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll probably mention the game. I could not be.

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Speaker 1: I'm light years away from the AFC Championship game, and I'm.

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Speaker 2: Like, I'm expecting a low scoring game.

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Speaker 1: You know what, though, my general thought is pick pick

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Speaker 1: the home team. It's hard to win on the road,

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Speaker 1: and in this game with.

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Speaker 2: These teams, no doubt and Mahomes though, yeah right, listen,

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Speaker 2: guy finds away, I know, even with less yeah, just disposal,

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Speaker 2: he finds away. And here's the thing. I'm expecting a

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Speaker 2: low scoring game on the AFC side of the ledger.

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Speaker 2: The reason why is because you have the number one

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Speaker 2: scoring defense who was number one in the league in

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Speaker 2: sacks in the Ravens. And you have the number two

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Speaker 2: scoring defense that was number two in the league in

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Speaker 2: sacks and the Chiefs. I don't think we're looking at

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Speaker 2: a game in the thirties there, call me crazy.

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Speaker 1: The total maybe thirty the over under man, well.

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Speaker 2: I don't be ready to go that far, but I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking like low twenties, you know, like twenty one, seventeen,

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Speaker 2: twenty three, twenties.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about We'll talk more about those games as

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Speaker 1: the show goes on. But yeah, well I'm what.

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Speaker 2: You've lost interests. Yeah, we got to take a break

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Speaker 2: here though. If you're holding at eight h three oh

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Speaker 2: five fifty, don't worry. We're getting to your phone calls

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Speaker 2: in the next segment. Wide open for phones when we return.

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Speaker 2: Here on a OBL fan mail Bag Friday, One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 2: presented by Colid of Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All

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Speaker 2: right back here on One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker.

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Speaker 2: Right back to the phones here on an OBL Fan

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Speaker 2: Friday mail Bag answering any of all of your questions,

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Speaker 2: and we go to Andrew in Texas next. What do

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Speaker 2: you got for us? Andrew HeiG?

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Speaker 8: Guys, thanks for taking my call. Sure so for the

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Speaker 8: offense and defensive coordinator positions. I don't mind if we

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Speaker 8: get Joe Brady. I'll be perfectly happy to be honest

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Speaker 8: with you, But I would like to see, like what

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Speaker 8: else is out there and in the news at least

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Speaker 8: here that the Bills are looking at like. I don't

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Speaker 8: know if everyone's looking at Staley or even nobody's talking

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Speaker 8: about him anymore. Eric the enemy, anybody knows Kansas City

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Speaker 8: it's him. And what Washington bringing in a new head coach.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if he's going to stay. They usually

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Speaker 8: bring their own people. And then on the defensive side,

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Speaker 8: why not try kicking the tires a little bit on

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Speaker 8: Maybe he's Rabel. I don't know. If he doesn't get

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Speaker 8: a head coaching job, maybe he takes a year off,

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Speaker 8: but maybe he would want to be a defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 8: And also, since living in Texas, I don't get much

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Speaker 8: local bills news. I get all this national media stuff.

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Speaker 8: And I know being part of the Pills mafia and

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Speaker 8: we love to donate to charity. What is the chances

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Speaker 8: we can get either you or Steve or sal or

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Speaker 8: Eric mafia could probably donate to any charity you guys want.

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Speaker 8: If you guys could get out of these shows and

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Speaker 8: really start poking holes in all these narratives that these

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Speaker 8: guys have, because these nick rights of the world, this

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Speaker 8: ESPN on sports like channel like that channel has some

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Speaker 8: of the obscured talk about the Bills and Josh Allen

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Speaker 8: I've ever heard of my life that it drives me

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Speaker 8: nuts because us as fans who know stuff like about

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Speaker 8: the actual team, instead of just people hearing whatever they're

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Speaker 8: hearing and reporting on whatever they're reporting, they don't actually

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Speaker 8: know what's going on, and they just make these ridiculous

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Speaker 8: claims that it's really annoying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Andrew, as long as you know that as

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Speaker 2: a fan, I think you're fine. And they do that

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Speaker 2: to stoke flames and passions and people like yourself and

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Speaker 2: mission accomplished, because much like you and a lot of

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Speaker 2: other fans, it drives you guys crazy because you know

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Speaker 2: the inaccuracy of that. They don't care about being accurate.

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Speaker 2: They care about being controversial, and in some ways that's

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Speaker 2: part of their job description. And yeah, they're only going

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Speaker 2: to deal with surface level knowledge of the team because

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Speaker 2: they're making those opinions from a thousand miles away from Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: So in general they don't know and don't care to know.

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Speaker 2: They just have to be controversial, and unfortunately that fits

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Speaker 2: the job description in many cases. So I'm sorry it

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Speaker 2: bothers you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right though about about the enemy and Vrabel,

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether those guys, I have heard from

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Speaker 1: multiple multiple ex head coaches who have finished or you know,

639
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: gotten fired, lost their head coaching position, who will look

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Speaker 1: you in the eye point blank say I am not

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Speaker 1: going back to being a coordinator. If I'll be a

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Speaker 1: hell be a head coach again, but I am not

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Speaker 1: going back there. It is an absolute meat grinder to

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Speaker 1: be a coordinator, and so they don't want to go

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Speaker 1: back to do it because they've you know, they've been

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Speaker 1: a head guy and chances are they've made you know,

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Speaker 1: five year deal for five million bucks and it's guaranteed

648
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Speaker 1: they got twenty five million bucks coming in. I'm they're

649
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Speaker 1: not going back into that meat grinder.

650
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Speaker 2: Not to mention the fact that Vrabel comes from a

651
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 2: different school of defense than Sean McDermott, who presumably would

652
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: not want to change his defensive system having used the

653
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Speaker 2: same one for the better part of the last seven years, That.

654
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Speaker 1: Doesn't that doesn't mean that McDermot didn't pick up the

655
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Speaker 1: phone and say, hey, what about it? You know, or

656
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: it is a factor though, Yeah, but yeah, there's a

657
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: guy like Vrabel. It's a little bit like what you

658
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: would think all these guys would be that way, like

659
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Speaker 1: from all the way from like Rex Ryan, all the

660
00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: way through Vrabel to you know Raheem Moster, Rayhem Morris,

661
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: you know Staley, the guy from LA. All these guys

662
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: would have a pretty strong opinion about what they can

663
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Speaker 1: bring to the table and how they want to do

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Speaker 1: it and why they want to do it that way.

665
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Speaker 1: And as a guy like Sean McDermott, he'd have to say, well, fine,

666
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Speaker 1: do it your way.

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00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I have a hard time having a coach seeing

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Speaker 1: a head coach, any head coach doing that, let alone

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott a defensive head coach.

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Speaker 4: Right.

672
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Speaker 2: And I think if if he decides that he just

673
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Speaker 2: wants to handle head coaching duties and not do defensive

674
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 2: coordinator play calling because it was too much for him,

675
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I don't know this, but I would anticipate

676
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: he would probably promote from within, if anything, because he's

677
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: got a lot of candidates who can handle that job.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Dan and Hamburg next. What do you

679
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Speaker 2: got Dan?

680
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Speaker 4: All right? A couple of questions, gentlemen, and thanks for

681
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Speaker 4: having me on. If the bill's elected to take the interim,

682
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Speaker 4: take off our Joe, do they have to go to

683
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 4: the Rodney rule?

684
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, by rule for a coordinator position, they have

685
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 2: to interview one external minority candidate, and that would actually

686
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 2: be filled by the Thad Lewis interview that's being reported.

687
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Speaker 4: So the interin title really has no impact on the selection,

688
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 4: not to my knowledge.

689
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Speaker 1: No, No, I don't think it does.

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Speaker 2: No, because you're filling the job with a new person

691
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Speaker 2: on a permanent basis. So I think, yes, they would

692
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Speaker 2: have to interview an external minority candidate under the Rooney

693
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Speaker 2: Rule specifications. Yeah, that we're updated in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: If the only way around that would be to let

695
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Speaker 1: Joe Brady say, hey, you're going to be our offensive coordinator,

696
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Speaker 1: but you're going to keep your interim tag, then they

697
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Speaker 1: don't have to talk to anybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know how you finagle that either.

699
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Speaker 1: And I don't know that there is there. It seems like.

700
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Speaker 2: The Patriots worked around it by never naming one.

701
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. So yeah, that makes me think there

702
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 1: is no way you can put a guy in there

703
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: without having to go through the interview process with outside candidates.

704
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: Right, And I would anticipate that job is settled in

705
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 2: short order for a couple of reasons. You don't want

706
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Speaker 2: to leave Joe Brady twisting in the wind. You know,

707
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: do I have this opportunity here or don't I do?

708
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: I need to look for another one like that kind

709
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Speaker 2: of thing, you know what I mean. So I would

710
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Speaker 2: anticipate it gets done, you know, in the span of

711
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Speaker 2: a week at the most. I think that'll be determined

712
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Speaker 2: pretty quickly. Let's go to Judy in Buffalo next. What

713
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Speaker 2: do you got first, Judy?

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Speaker 9: Three things. I want to know the status of Damien

715
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Speaker 9: Harris because at the beginning of the season, I thought

716
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 9: he showed a lot of promise. Secondly, aside from receivers,

717
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Speaker 9: the Bills need to draft a quarterback, someone who has

718
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Speaker 9: some promise, because without Allen we'll be in dire straits. Third,

719
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Speaker 9: you know, MVP. Glad he made the final cut, but

720
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Speaker 9: it's no, it's unbelievable that this guy is not m VP.

721
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Speaker 9: With his intelligence, arm and legs, he carried the whole team,

722
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Speaker 9: a flawed team all year long. That's those are my comments.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't disagree with you, Judy about that. In

724
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Speaker 2: terms of Josh for the m v P finalist list,

725
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: which he did make, very very very deserving.

726
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Speaker 1: I'll say this too about the drafting the backup quarterback

727
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Speaker 1: that I don't have a problem bracking drafting a guy

728
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Speaker 1: with an upside Day three pick right he The only

729
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: way I would draft a guy is if he was big, strong, fast,

730
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Speaker 1: had a huge arm, and had one other a flaw

731
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Speaker 1: that made him drop out of the you know, out

732
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Speaker 1: of the running where he's like, I don't know why,

733
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Speaker 1: but that's the only guy because he'd be a lot

734
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Speaker 1: like Josh. You could, you could teach him stuff. But

735
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Speaker 1: you're if if you're saying you needed to draft a

736
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Speaker 1: quarterback so that the Bills will still be able to

737
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Speaker 1: win games without Josh Allen, that's a pipe dream. And

738
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Speaker 1: that doesn't make the Bills vulnerable. It makes them just

739
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Speaker 1: like every other football team. If you know, if the

740
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 1: Dolphins lose to if the like the Bengals lost Joe Burrow,

741
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Speaker 1: like the Jets lost Aaron Rodgers, like the Cleveland Browns

742
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: lost to Sean Watson, and they you know, they had

743
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Speaker 1: five different starting quarterbacks and Cleveland still made the playoffs

744
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: five not not two. Five. That's an aberration. If you

745
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: lose your starting quarterback, stick a fork in your season,

746
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Speaker 1: unless you've got a guy, unless you find somebody like

747
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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco, who all of a sudden catches lightning in

748
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Speaker 1: a bottle, and even that burned out very quickly because

749
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: he's he's he had like three games left in him

750
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: and he had to play five, you know, right, So

751
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Speaker 1: so there you go. But I get it if he's

752
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Speaker 1: a good football player at that position and you can

753
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: find him and he's you know, he's a sixth round

754
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Speaker 1: draft pick or a fifth round draft pick, and all

755
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's got a He does have a

756
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Speaker 1: big arm. He is a big dude. He is a

757
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Speaker 1: good athlete. Yeah, I'm okay with that. I'm okay with it.

758
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Speaker 1: I just don't expect to win games with him because

759
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Speaker 1: he's never going to get a play, hope, and you

760
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Speaker 1: hope he never gets to play, right, So I guess

761
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Speaker 1: you know, Green Bay Packers did it. I'm not going

762
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Speaker 1: to spend a first rounder though, and get a Jordan

763
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Speaker 1: Love and have him sit for five years or four years.

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Speaker 2: We'll see. As for Damien Harris, I'll tell you what

765
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Speaker 2: Brandon Bean said about him at his press conference earlier

766
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Speaker 2: this week. He said he just felt after Damien's neck

767
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: injury in his past along with the concussion, that it

768
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: was best to shut him down for the season and

769
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Speaker 2: not risk him to further injury. And by all accounts,

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Speaker 2: he said he's close to being ready to return and

771
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Speaker 2: be fully medically cleared for football. He thinks he'll be

772
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Speaker 2: healthy for free agency this offseason, whether he's signed back

773
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 2: here with the Bills or signed somewhere else. The reason

774
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: that's tricky, I think is because Ty Johnson, who was

775
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: signed after finally getting healthy from a peck injury I

776
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 2: think was very is very, very attractive as a resigned candidate,

777
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Speaker 2: because he too is a free agent after signing only

778
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Speaker 2: a one year deal. If I had to guess, I

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Speaker 2: would expect Ty Johnson to be the priority to re sign,

780
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Speaker 2: even over Damien Harris. And I've got nothing against Damien Harris.

781
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: I thought he played well when he was in the lineup.

782
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: But Ty Johnson is a more explosive athlete with every

783
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: bit as good as running skills and maybe better receiving skills.

784
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 2: I do not expect Latavius Murray back is a thirty

785
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: four year old, so I'm not ruling out Damien Harris.

786
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Speaker 2: I'm just telling you I think if the Bills had

787
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 2: their choice, Ty Johnson would be a higher priority over

788
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 2: Damian Harris as far as backups to James Cook, who's

789
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: clearly the featured player. And let's not forget this either.

790
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,959
Speaker 2: Naihim Hines is under contract and Brandon Bean was asked

791
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: will Nihim be part of the team going forward and

792
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: he said yes, So that kind of spells out the

793
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: running back room in a hurry as far as I

794
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: see it. So yeah, we'll have to wait and see.

795
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Speaker 2: We're up against the break here, but more of your

796
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: phone calls when we come back. Chris and Amherst, Ronnie

797
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: and West Seneca will lead with you guys when we

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Speaker 2: go right to Chris in Amherst. Next, what do you

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00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: got for us?

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Speaker 7: Chris, Hey, good morning guys. I just want to say

808
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 7: thanks for what you do. Love listening to you all

809
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 7: the time. Appreciate that first time caller, so I'm might

810
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 7: be a little rusty here on the phone. One of

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Speaker 7: my observations during the season was Josh Allen was kind

812
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 7: of lost on the bench at times where he was

813
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 7: left by himself, especially in those down weeks where we

814
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Speaker 7: weren't winning and where we were struggling to get through games.

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Speaker 7: I'm kind of wondering what would be the potential for

816
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Speaker 7: a coach, whether it's a quarterbacks coach or an offensive

817
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 7: coordinator coach like Frank Wright coming in to be sitting

818
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 7: with him and give him lessons through a quarterback's eyes.

819
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Speaker 7: His first three years he made big strides, but he

820
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 7: had a seasoned veteran and quarterback next to him. This

821
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 7: year he had Kyle Allen, who had what eleven games

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Speaker 7: in the Hunter's belt in his career. So the perspective

823
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 7: that Reich could put into Josh and kind of talk

824
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Speaker 7: him off the ledge when needed, I think would be

825
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 7: a valuable askt for him for his growth to get

826
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Speaker 7: him to the next step. Yeah, be looking for your

827
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Speaker 7: opinions and hang up and let you talk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's a couple of things at play here,

829
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Speaker 2: Chris that you have to consider Number one, Frank Reich

830
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: has already been a head coach in two different places,

831
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Speaker 2: and it's not very often that coaches who have been

832
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: head coaches go back down the ladder to a position

833
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: coaching role. I would, I would sometimes they go down

834
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: to a coordinator's role to get back up to a

835
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 2: head coaching role, But to go down to a position

836
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: coaching role is unusual. So I'm not saying it would

837
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: rule him out, and I'm not saying he wouldn't be

838
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 2: a good quarterbacks coach. I think it would be ex excellent,

839
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Speaker 2: But we just don't usually see that type of move

840
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: from a guy who is coming off a year in

841
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: which he was a head coach. Number two, Josh Allen

842
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: is entering his seventh season as an NFL quarterback. He

843
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 2: has largely seen everything he's going to see on a

844
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: field from an opposing defense, and so that veteran quarterback

845
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 2: on the roster and that kind of stuff, I think

846
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: the need for that is lessened just by virtue of

847
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: all the experience that Josh has now had in his career,

848
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: which we'll be entering its seventh season already. So I

849
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 2: think for those two reasons, I don't know that you

850
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: need a super experienced guy that's done it before in

851
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: the quarterback room. And I don't know that you need

852
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: a former quarterback as his quarterbacks coach. All that being said,

853
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: the Bills do need to add a quarterbacks coach to

854
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: their coaching ranks because they essentially did not have that

855
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: after Joe Brady was elevated to the interim OC role.

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00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: I'll say this, it doesn't need to be a seasoned guy.

857
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't need to be you know, a former quarterback

858
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 1: or an old quarterback for that matter. All it needs

859
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: to be somebody who knows the offense, knows the player.

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00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: Josh and Josh and this is the most important thing.

861
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: Josh gotta trust him and they have to have a

862
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: relationship where the quarterback, this person that that that Chris

863
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: is talking about, has got to be able to go

864
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: up there and say, Josh, what are you doing? Don't

865
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: dude that seriously? The dude, Yes, you have to have

866
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: a conversation like you got to. You got to be

867
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: able to, you know, call him out and still be

868
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: his bud. That's what you need. And I'll say this

869
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: for one of those guys you said like like like

870
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: if like if Sean Payton was out there, or Frank Reich,

871
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: or even like Alex van Pell or one of the

872
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: other guys you can name, Jason Garrett, you know, Gary Kubiak,

873
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: somebody like Doug Peterson, somebody's been a head coach. Peterson's

874
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: obviously is still working. But those kind of guys, you don't.

875
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: Terry Pegoula doesn't have enough money to get those guys

876
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: to do that. They are beyond that. That's like asking

877
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: them to be a middle school flag football coach. It's

878
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: that kind of an hyperbole, of course, but that's what

879
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: you're asking me to do. They just won't do it.

880
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: It's just it's too big a job, too hard a

881
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: job's too much of a grind for somebody who's who's.

882
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: Past risen above it, risen above it.

883
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just and certainly you may find one guy

884
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: who would come back and say, yeah, I'd love to

885
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: do that, or I get it. Maybe there's a guy

886
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: out there, But like I said, those guys know what

887
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: I think. They know what I'm telling you. You don't

888
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: need one of those guys. That's why they're above that.

889
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: You know, Josh's high school buddy could do it. If

890
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: he can you know, because that's what you're talking about,

891
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: talking him off the ledge. He had somebody you trust, right,

892
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: doesn't have big quarterback, like I said, So that's you know,

893
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: that's the flaw in your theory. I get it. But

894
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: that's also why we had this conversation yesterday. Coordinators are

895
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: never on the field. They don't need to talk the

896
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: guy off the ledge when he gets to a certain point. Josh,

897
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: a seven year vet. Ain't nobody talking him off the ledge.

898
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: Coordinator's up in the booth saying, hey, listen, you know

899
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: we're going to do this, this, this, and this thing

900
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: about this and then and you know that kind of stuff.

901
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: And the quarterbacks coaches there, whoever it is, holding this

902
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: form saying listen to what we're talking about.

903
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 3: That.

904
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's just the I think got your the

905
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 1: wrong idea about what that job entails.

906
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the phones and to Ronnie in

907
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 2: West Seneca. What's up, Ronnie?

908
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 10: Hey, you guys just want to say a great show.

909
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 10: I have sort of a question maybe for both of you,

910
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 10: as you could elaborate on it. Back in the day,

911
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 10: when Steve you were playing, you had Teddy Markhibroda as

912
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,959
Speaker 10: an offensive coordinator. I was just curious, like it always

913
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 10: seemed like he always gave Jim his strengths, like prepared

914
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 10: a game plan when you guys played to Jim's strengths.

915
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 10: And I'm just curious, Like with what I watched this

916
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 10: year from the Bills when Dorsy was coordinator, it seemed

917
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 10: like a lot at times like he didn't go to

918
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:27,479
Speaker 10: Josh's strengths, And once Brady took over, it seemed more

919
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 10: like he was in apt to where he could pick

920
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 10: apart defenses and seem to imply that into what Josh

921
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 10: liked and did best. And I'm just curious if you

922
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 10: could elaborate on that and tell me what you guys

923
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 10: think if he did get an OC job, you know, permanently,

924
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 10: if you think he could turn things around and play

925
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 10: more to Josh's strengths with the right weapons obviously.

926
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's a good observation, a good statement by you.

927
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: You're right. Every offensive coordinator needs to do that. They

928
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: need to know what their guy does best, mesh it

929
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: with what the guy loves to do and what he

930
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 1: likes in the offense, and then get him to do

931
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: all that stuff as good as he can do. It.

932
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: But then also it's part of your responsibility to have

933
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: the guy go out of his comfort zone. You got

934
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: to ask more of him, expand his repertoire. You got

935
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: to help him do that as well, so that your

936
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: offense can expand and evolve. If you only do what

937
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: he does best all the time, you become predictable. Certainly,

938
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: a guy like Josh or Mahomes or Lamar, they've got

939
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: a wide range of physical abilities and they allow you

940
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: to do more right out of the gate. But you've

941
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: got other guys on the field that you want to

942
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: put in a position to take advantage of that. So, yeah,

943
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: it's a big job. It's a big job. So and

944
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: I would be surprised if Joe Brady wasn't at least

945
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: attempting to do exactly what you're talking about. And I don't,

946
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: I couldn't. You didn't get specific, and I don't know

947
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: exactly used.

948
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: His legs after he took over. We know that after

949
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: it was readily apparent he was being told not to

950
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 2: use his legs, So that changed. That dynamic was definitely

951
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 2: different with Joe Brady as the OC. I still think

952
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: they were hamstrung by lack of a true outside weapon

953
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 2: and lack of a true field stretcher to stretch the

954
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 2: field vertically to help them with underneath stuff. And that

955
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: points again to in my mind, the draft and making

956
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 2: an early investment twice in receiver talent to help push

957
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: this passing attack forward. You've squeezed everything out of Josh

958
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: Allen you can squeeze with the players around him that

959
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: you have. Now you need to accentuate that by adding

960
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 2: talent on the outside field stretcher on one side, an

961
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: alpha dog on the other that can eventually replace Stefon

962
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 2: Diggs as the number one receiver in a year's time.

963
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: That's what you need, That's what you got to add,

964
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 2: and the only way to do that in an affordable

965
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: way is in the draft with a very very very

966
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 2: strong receiver class. This season got to take a break

967
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 2: here when we come back to our final visit with

968
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 2: Greg co Sell. We put a bow on the twenty

969
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 2: twenty three Bill season with him and maybe dice up

970
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 2: some x's and o's for the conference title games when

971
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 2: we return. You know, One Bill's Line presented by Colida Health.

972
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 11: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

973
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 3: This is One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

974
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: All Right Hour number two on a Friday, and joining

975
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 2: us as he does every week, Senior producer NFL Films

976
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 2: Greg co Sale joining us, also co host of ESPN's

977
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 2: NFL Matchup Show and Greg co Sale's appearance on the show,

978
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: presented by Scott Lonyard, an official commercial site work partner

979
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: of the Buffalo Bills. All Right, Greg, we're all said

980
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 2: and done here in Buffalo after an unfortunate performance defensively

981
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 2: anyway against the Chiefs due in part to the fact

982
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 2: that they were shorthanded, and we won't dwell on this

983
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 2: game too much because we do want to talk to

984
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 2: you about the conference title games as well. The biggest

985
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: surprise for me in the defensive effort, Greg, was the

986
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: lack of impact from the defensive front, both in the

987
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: run front and in terms of pass rush. Ed Oliver

988
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 2: was not double teamed a lot in this game, Greg,

989
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: Joe Tooney owned him.

990
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 3: Yep, No, that was I think your points very very

991
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 3: well taken. I think that we kind of expected, and

992
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 3: we discussed this last week that we thought that that

993
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 3: was a un that would have to be a factor

994
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 3: in the game. Now we know that Mahomes is difficult

995
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 3: to sack and can make plays off script, but still

996
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 3: they were not a factor in the game. And once

997
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 3: they were not a factor in the game, it became

998
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 3: really difficult. Look, no knock against these players, but you know,

999
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 3: when you have to play Klein and Dotson, neither one

1000
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 3: is a pass defender, you know, and Klein was what

1001
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 3: was he on his couch just two three weeks ago? Yes,

1002
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: so you know it just look, that's just the reality

1003
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 3: of life. Like I said, it's no knock personally, but

1004
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 3: you know, you just get stuck. And they needed to

1005
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 3: be able to make Mahomes play faster. And sure, he'll

1006
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 3: always make some plays. But when a team runs forty

1007
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 3: seven offensive plays and averages almost eight yards per play,

1008
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 3: and twenty and eight of those forty seven plays game

1009
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 3: more than twenty yards, it's that's a that's a tough formula.

1010
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it resulted in the Bills in some of

1011
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: the state that's coming out of this game where weird.

1012
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: The Bills rushed for over one hundred and eighty, threw

1013
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: for over one hundred and eighty, didn't turn the ball over,

1014
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: didn't take any sacks, had thirty five plus minutes a

1015
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: time of possession of the only team in the Super

1016
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 1: Bowl era to do all of those things and lose.

1017
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: But it happens when you play a guy like Mahomes

1018
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs who were the same way. They didn't

1019
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: take any sacks and they didn't turn it over either.

1020
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: And their run game, I thought was one of the

1021
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: things that was a little bit more surprising in this

1022
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: game than anything was their ability to run on the

1023
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: Bills front, and once again you get right back to

1024
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: those guys that the healthiest bunch on the team.

1025
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 3: I would assume that that was the reason, and I'm

1026
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 3: sure this game from Sean McDermott in a lot of

1027
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 3: meetings before the game, but my guess is that would

1028
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 3: be one reason why the Bills really did not look

1029
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 3: to attack in the pass game, because my guess is

1030
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 3: they felt that they had to control the ball as

1031
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 3: much as they possibly could, that they just could not

1032
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 3: let Mahomes be on the field. Now, again, there's many

1033
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 3: ways to look at that, but clearly, when I watched

1034
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 3: the tape, and even with my guys on Matchup when

1035
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 3: they watched the tape as well, you know, we were

1036
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 3: struck by the fact that they really did not attack

1037
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 3: with the past game at the intermediate vertical levels at all.

1038
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 3: I mean they took a shot here and there. I mean,

1039
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 3: obviously he threw the fade to sherfield. That was a

1040
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 3: catchable ball. Good defense, but catchable. We know about the

1041
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 3: plated digs, but other than that, they did not really

1042
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 3: attack in this game at the vertical, at the intermediate

1043
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 3: to intermediate deeper levels at all. And my guess is

1044
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 3: that was all game plan. That wasn't no other reason

1045
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 3: because just because the team plays and you know this, Steve,

1046
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 3: just because the team plays too high safety doesn't mean

1047
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 3: you can't throw the ball right.

1048
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 2: And to me, it speaks to a larger issue. And

1049
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 2: I know we'll talk to you about this later in

1050
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: the offseason, presumably in Indianapolis at the Combine in the

1051
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 2: weeks that follow in March and April, but there is

1052
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: a screaming need for a field stretcher in this receiver corps,

1053
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: as well as an alpha dog that can line up

1054
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 2: outside and win and be open even when he's not open,

1055
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 2: and someone who can eventually replace Stefan Diggs as the

1056
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: number one receiver in this offense. I've I've been arguing

1057
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: since last year that they needed to make an investment

1058
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: high in the draft. I think it's almost a necessity

1059
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 2: now going forward that they invest a high draft pick,

1060
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: maybe two picks in the first two days on receivers

1061
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 2: that can help them sooner rather than later.

1062
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more. And you know, again, you know

1063
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 3: that everything I say is based on tape study. I

1064
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 3: don't think they truly have in number one, and they

1065
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 3: certainly don't have a field stretcher. So I think that

1066
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 3: you know, when you have Josh Allen, you need to

1067
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 3: invest in your receiving corps. You need receivers. We know Kinkaid,

1068
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 3: he's going to be a good player. I think Shakiir

1069
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 3: is going to be a really good number three type.

1070
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 3: You know, he's going to be really good for what

1071
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 3: he is. But I think they need they need just

1072
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 3: what you said. I loved your term. They need an

1073
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 3: outfit dog and they need speed because this offense is

1074
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 3: hamstrung in the past game by what they're lacking, and

1075
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 3: it just it shows up almost in every game.

1076
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: We talked about this at the end. It dawned on

1077
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: me after the Kansas City game and we were in

1078
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: the same kind of position last year. Although the season

1079
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: ended with the Bills kind of being dead on their

1080
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: feet after the Deamorrow Hamlin thing, they were kind of

1081
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: done for a month. But at the end of last season,

1082
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: when we were watching Cincinnati go to Kansas City and

1083
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: watching Kansas City and Cincinnati have it out, and then

1084
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: watching Kansas City go to the Super Bowl and those

1085
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: teams haveing it out of those last few weeks of

1086
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: the season, it became painfully obvious last year at this

1087
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: time that you're in an arms race, and as good

1088
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: as the Kansas City defense has played, and as good

1089
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: as the Baltimore defense is played, you're still in a

1090
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: score first league. And the Bills never got out of that.

1091
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: Although that had a really nice season, really good season,

1092
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: they didn't have anybody except Diggs, who came out in

1093
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: the first half of the season was killing it and

1094
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: then kind of faded down the stretch. They never got

1095
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: to that point where they were a team teams were

1096
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: chasing offensively unless they were chasing.

1097
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 3: Josh, I would agree with that, And you know, I'm

1098
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 3: glad to hear you guys say that, because I think

1099
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 3: the tape tells you that. I mean, that's all you

1100
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: have to look at the eye in the Sky doesn't lie.

1101
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 3: The tape tells you that they need upgrades at the

1102
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 3: wide receiver position in order to run a fully dimensional

1103
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 3: pass game. And I agree with Brownie. I think, you know,

1104
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 3: maybe they bring someone into free agency as well, but

1105
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 3: they need to draft players at that position and then

1106
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 3: have competition. I mean, if Stefan Diggs is still here, fine,

1107
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 3: but you need to upgrade that position, and you need

1108
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 3: to upgrade it dimensionally. You need to have a vertical stretcher.

1109
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 3: You need to have, you know, someone who you know

1110
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 3: in a sense, you need someone who can win one

1111
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 3: on one and that you feel that when it's the

1112
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 3: and seven that you don't always have to scheme, that

1113
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 3: you can throw them the ball. And you know, if

1114
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 3: you don't have that guy, sometimes you can't always out

1115
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 3: scheme on every critical down.

1116
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. In mind and the

1117
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: games this weekend, let's spin it over to the AFC

1118
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 2: title game now between the Chiefs and the Ravens. It's

1119
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 2: hard to expect or anticipate a high scoring game here,

1120
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 2: Greg in light of the fact that you have the

1121
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 2: number one and number two scoring defenses in football going

1122
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 2: against one another, who are also, by the way, number

1123
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 2: one and two in sacks this season. Are you anticipating

1124
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: a game in the low twenties, maybe one team even

1125
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 2: in the high teams by the time this is all over.

1126
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, one thing I've learned, and obviously Lamar

1127
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 3: Jackson's had a terrific season, but one thing I think

1128
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 3: we've probably all learned is it's tough to kind of

1129
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 3: bet against Mahomes. Now. I'm not going to sit here

1130
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 3: and say they're going to put up you know, I

1131
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 3: would never say that anyway, But I mean, you know,

1132
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 3: he's just one of those guys.

1133
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: He's different.

1134
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 3: You know. I remember talking to a coach who told

1135
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 3: me that you can't run a really good pass game

1136
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 3: if your quarterback can't make progression reads at a really

1137
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 3: high level. And I think Mahomes can. But his point was, Hey,

1138
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 3: the exception to that is Mahomes that you know, he

1139
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 3: can be great without really running the progressions. You know,

1140
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 3: He's just one of those guys. So obviously this is

1141
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 3: a phenomenal defense. They're really good. Individually, they could give

1142
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 3: the Chiefs some real problems. We're talking on a Friday.

1143
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 3: I don't know what Joe Toney status is at this point,

1144
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 3: but it didn't sound good a day or two ago.

1145
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 3: So I don't know what the answer to that is.

1146
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 3: I'm sure he'll do anything possible to try and play,

1147
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 3: but there are some really difficult matchups here. Justin Manabouquet

1148
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 3: on the inside has probably had has had an as

1149
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 3: much of an overlooked season as it is possible, given

1150
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 3: that he's on the Raven and they're the you know,

1151
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 3: the number one seed, and I think Kyle Hamilton is

1152
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 3: really a big key to what they do on defense.

1153
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 3: So that side of the ball, to me is really

1154
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 3: really fascinating. But it's you know, it's hard. It's really

1155
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 3: hard for me to feel like Mahomes is going to

1156
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 3: be stemy now. Whatever that means, I don't know. You

1157
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 3: could be right, Brownie. Maybe it's twenty seventeen game. You know,

1158
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, But I don't think they're going to

1159
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 3: shut Patrick Mahomes down.

1160
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 2: No, surely, am thinking the same exact way. I think, somehow,

1161
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 2: some way, Mahomes is going to get it done. Again.

1162
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 5: What I mean, the player we're just looking at right now,

1163
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 5: Let's say it again.

1164
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 3: If I could say the play we were just looking

1165
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 3: at right now, that run against your guys last week.

1166
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 3: To me that that was just Mahomes being so savvy,

1167
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 3: because what they did is they ran a concept to

1168
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 3: the right side of the formation for strong four receivers okay,

1169
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 3: and the entire Bills defense because they were in zone.

1170
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 3: You have to really push to four to four strong

1171
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 3: because otherwise you don't have enough bodies. And he saw

1172
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 3: that immediately, and he just knew that the whole left

1173
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 3: side of the field there was not going to be

1174
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 3: anybody there, and he just took off and ran. I

1175
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 3: believe it was twenty eight yards if I'm not mistaken.

1176
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you know, he's just such a smart,

1177
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 3: savvy player.

1178
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: What do you think? And so we've talked about this.

1179
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: He's a hard guy. They were. He was flawless in

1180
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: this last game against the Bills, and as good as

1181
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: Josh Allen the Bills offense played, they couldn't make enough

1182
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: plays to keep him off the field and score enough points.

1183
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: What do you think this game this weekend is going

1184
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: to look like in Baltimore with the Chiefs.

1185
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 3: It's a great question, you know what I think is

1186
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 3: going to happen in this game? Because now you're not

1187
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 3: worrying about people getting injured or a long season. I

1188
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 3: think you're going to see a lot more designed quarterback

1189
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 3: runs by Lamar. They started to do that in the

1190
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 3: second half last week. It really calmed down the Texans,

1191
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 3: who blitzed at a much higher percentage than they had

1192
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 3: all season. And I think Spags does such a good

1193
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 3: job with his different looks and his pressures. And if

1194
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 3: you start with the quarterback in the design run game,

1195
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 3: you really forced the defense to have to play true

1196
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 3: assignment football and it kind of shrinks your menu a

1197
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 3: little bit and forces you to, you know, not blitz

1198
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 3: as much because if you get caught and he's out

1199
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 3: the gate as a runner, I mean he is a

1200
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 3: really difficult guy in the open field. I mean he's

1201
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 3: there's no one like Lamar in that regard. So it

1202
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 3: would not surprise me if that's one thing, Steve we

1203
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 3: see in this game is more design runs by Lamar. Right.

1204
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 2: But all that being said, Greg, we saw the Chiefs

1205
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 2: kind of take an approach that you might anticipate they

1206
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 2: would take against Lamar. They really didn't have their defensive

1207
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 2: front rush, Josh. They would basically come out of their

1208
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 2: stance and just hang out. I mean, I've never seen

1209
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 2: a more inactive Chris Jones on a football field than

1210
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 2: I did against the Bills last week. He's just playing

1211
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 2: patty Cake with the offensive lineman. They're just kind of

1212
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 2: hanging out, keeping the passing lanes, you know, so closed off.

1213
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 2: And then it was Drew Trank Will I believe a

1214
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 2: good portion of the time, especially once Willie Gay was

1215
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 2: out of the game with a neck injury. Drew Trank

1216
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 2: will was kind of the spy a lot, and he's

1217
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 2: a pretty effective one. He can run. I mean, he

1218
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 2: can't run like Lamar does, but I guess my point

1219
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 2: here is I wouldn't be surprised if they use a

1220
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,439
Speaker 2: lot of that against Lamar this week.

1221
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's funny. There's one player I remember

1222
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 3: in particular. I think it was on their first possession,

1223
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 3: and it really stood out to me. It was third

1224
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 3: and eight in the red zone, and obviously they it

1225
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 3: was an incompletion because they kicked a field goal in

1226
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 3: the first possession where they did what they are going

1227
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 3: to do. They played their three two six dime you know,

1228
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 3: six DB's obviously, but three down linemen, two linebackers. Gay

1229
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 3: was the spy on Josh and it was a three

1230
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 3: man D line pass rush. And you're probably referencing this play, Brownie,

1231
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 3: But Jones and a mena who from the inside, they

1232
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 3: did not rush. They basically stood where they were to

1233
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 3: prevent Allen from running up the middle. That was the defense.

1234
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and those are kind of their their game

1235
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: playing specific obviously, I don't I would doubt that the

1236
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: bill that the Chiefs have run that defense, maybe not

1237
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: all this year, maybe like less than a handful of

1238
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: snaps all season.

1239
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 3: Right, Look, there's no question that you have to have

1240
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 3: a defense specific to Lamar movement. Now, think of it

1241
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 3: this way. The reason why teams say they want to

1242
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 3: keep quarterbacks in the pocket, whether it's Lamar, whether it's Josh,

1243
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:33,439
Speaker 3: whether it's Mahomes, is not because they those quarterbacks can't

1244
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 3: win from the pocket. It's because you can play within

1245
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 3: your defensive structure that you've practiced all week. When quarterbacks

1246
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 3: leave the pocket, your defensive structure ends. I've had this

1247
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 3: conversation with coaches and all they tell me is, hey,

1248
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 3: after we get beyond like two point one two point

1249
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 3: five seconds, if the quarterback still has the ball, it's

1250
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 3: a whole different animal. Now you know you're not playing

1251
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 3: the defense that you practiced all week. So it's not

1252
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 3: that these guys can't throw from the pocket. It's just

1253
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 3: that you are able to play within what you practice.

1254
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: You can't coach what happens next at all, even if

1255
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: you see you can watch, you can watch film for

1256
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: a million years, and you still don't know what's going

1257
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: to happen after the play's broken down.

1258
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 3: Correct. So that's why you know both you know they'll

1259
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 3: both teams will say, maybe not publicly, but they'll say

1260
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 3: in their meetings, Hey, keep Mahomes in the pocket, keep

1261
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 3: Lamar in the pocket now because they can't make throws,

1262
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 3: but because we want to be able to play our way.

1263
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Flipping it over to the NFC title game Lions Niners.

1264
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 2: Obviously Deebo Samuel's availability will be a big part of that.

1265
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 2: As we know UH was starting to practice yesterday. We

1266
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 2: assume we'll practice in some capacity again today, so he's

1267
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 2: trending in the right direction at the very least. But

1268
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 2: what intrigues you most about this matchup because knowing the

1269
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 2: way the Niners play defense, I would think that you know,

1270
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson and Dan Campbell will want to keep the

1271
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 2: heat off of goff and try to use Montgomery and

1272
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 2: Gibbs an awful lot, especially in the early going.

1273
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, although I will say this, one of the things

1274
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 3: that's been a little disappointing about the forty nine Ers defense,

1275
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 3: particularly over the last part of the season, has they've

1276
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 3: not rushed the quarterback the way one would expect given

1277
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 3: you know, the talent that they have on the defensive front. Now,

1278
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 3: Armstead missed a bunch of games, and he's a really

1279
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 3: important inside pass rusher, But yeah, they're going to run

1280
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 3: the ball. What they're the best in the league at,

1281
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 3: and they do with the highest volume this year of

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Speaker 3: any team was under center play action, and under center

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Speaker 3: play action I personally think is far more effective than

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Speaker 3: shotgun play action. And I think something like ninety percent

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Speaker 3: of Gof's play action throws this year came with him

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Speaker 3: under center, and they do such a good job with that,

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Speaker 3: and it minimizes pass rush. You know, people automatically think, oh,

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Speaker 3: what holds linebackers, Well, it does more than that, especially

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Speaker 3: if there's an outside zone element to the run action.

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Speaker 3: Horse is the defensive lines first steps to be lateral,

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Speaker 3: not vertical, towards the quarterback, and that makes it that

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Speaker 3: gives the quarterback just another beat, another second of time

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01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 3: in the pocket, and allows the routes to develop further

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Speaker 3: down the field, and no team throws the ball between

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Speaker 3: the numbers more than the Lions. GoF is a master

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Speaker 3: at that. So I'm really curious. I think I think

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Speaker 3: the secondary I don't want to say it's an issue

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Speaker 3: for the Niners, but I think at times it has

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Speaker 3: been this year.

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Speaker 1: Last one for me, Greg, finalists, the MVP, Lamar, Josh,

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Speaker 1: those guys are in What do you what are your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on the MVP? What should the what should the award?

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Speaker 1: What should the award mean? And maybe were your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on who should win it this year?

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Speaker 3: I'm usually not good at this, Dutch Steve, because you know,

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01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 3: you know, I think you can look people always look

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Speaker 3: at teams that win. You know, Lamar seems to be

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01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 3: the one who people talk about, you know. You know,

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01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 3: obviously Josh Allen what he scored the most individual touchdowns

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Speaker 3: by a quarterback in the league. You know, they were

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01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 3: obviously six and six and they ended up winning, you know,

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Speaker 3: six in a row to get to the playoffs, obviously,

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01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 3: and then they won the first playoff game. Although I

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Speaker 3: don't know when the voting is done, you know, because

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Speaker 3: I don't follow that closely. I mean, there's always a

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Speaker 3: number of guys that are certainly viable options. You know,

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01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 3: it always ends up being a quarterback. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: could certainly argue that Christian McCaffrey is incredibly valuable to

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Speaker 3: his team, you know. So you know, I think it's

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Speaker 3: going to be viewed, right or wrongly as Lamar's year.

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Speaker 3: And I will say this about Lamar, He's not a

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Speaker 3: numbers quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Like.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you can look at his passing numbers

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Speaker 3: as a reflection of his value because they don't play

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Speaker 3: that way. And he's a runner as well, So I

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Speaker 3: don't think you can just look at his pure numbers

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Speaker 3: and say, hey, you know, he doesn't have the big numbers,

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Speaker 3: because I don't think that's the way truly to measure

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Speaker 3: the stress that he puts on defenses.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Rag, thanks for all the inside all season long.

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01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 2: Take a well deserved break and we'll catch up with

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01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 2: you at the combine and Indy.

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Speaker 3: I've already started on on quarterback and you probably figured

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01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 3: you guys probably figured that.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I would have put money on it.

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01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if you're gonna talk if you're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: to us. Yeah. If if you're gonna talk to us,

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01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: make sure you do you brush up on your wide

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01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: receiver talk too.

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01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 3: Oh there's a ton of them this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, that's that's why we gotta get a

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01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 2: couple hopefully. Thanks Greg, As always, we'll catch up with

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Speaker 2: you out in Indy.

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Speaker 3: All right, guys, thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's Greg co Sale joining us as he

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01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 2: does every Friday during the Bill season, and he'll get

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01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 2: a little mini break here, but don't worry. We'll have

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01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 2: him back on Combine Week when we're out there in

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01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,759
Speaker 2: Indianapolis and obviously leading up to the draft in March

1351
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 2: and April to kind of give us the four to

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01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 2: one one on some of the top prospects and what

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01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: he sees on film from those players. Does an excellent

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01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,759
Speaker 2: job with his film study, so we'll be looking forward

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Speaker 2: to that expertise. Gonna take a break here when we

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Speaker 2: come back. More of your phone calls on this obl

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Speaker 2: Fan Friday mailbag. Any question you got on the Bills,

1358
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 2: the playoffs, the league at large, the Draft, the Combine,

1359
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 2: whatever it is, you hit us up and we'll answer

1360
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 2: them for you, or if you don't have time to call,

1361
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 2: give us a shout on the tweetsheet and we'll get

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Speaker 2: your questions answered there as well. Here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 2: presented by a lot of health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, back here we are on One Bill's Live.

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01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,600
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker. We've got a false start from

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01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 2: our fine people in the control room. They're trying to

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01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 2: pull a fast one on me. I gotta tell you, so,

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01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 2: there it is. We wanted to update you. There is

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Speaker 2: a coaching update concerned with open coordinator positions in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: The Packers have now requested permission to interview Bill's linebackers

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Speaker 2: coach Bobby Babbage for their open defensive coordinator position. Babbage,

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01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 2: as we know, recently interviewed with the Giants for the

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01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 2: same defensive coordinator role. It's an open one there with

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01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 2: the Giants as well. Now he will meet with Green Bay. So,

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01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 2: Bobby Babbitt, you did great things with Terrell Bernard this

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01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 2: year as a first year starter, uh and also helped

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01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 2: tyrrel Dots and improve over the course of the season.

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01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 2: Is getting some looks around the league for a promotion.

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01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should have at this time. We need a

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01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,799
Speaker 1: sound effect for all these things that are breaking, like trade.

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01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 2: I think we do have a.

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01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need an alert button for the We do have

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01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,719
Speaker 1: one airhorn or something for the coaching moves and stuff,

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01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:30,799
Speaker 1: particularly when it involves coach Bill's assistant coaches. Yeah, you know, because.

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Speaker 2: There's still a lot of coordinator positions open. We still

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01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 2: have two open head coaching jobs. They'll have positions, well.

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Speaker 1: Fill all those spots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's yeah.

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Speaker 1: We got a sound effect. Come on, We're a radio station.

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Speaker 2: We can do it. We've got it. It's in the budget.

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Speaker 2: I know that, So I think we'll be okay. Uh

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Speaker 2: eight oh three, five fifty one eighty eight, five fifty two,

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Speaker 2: five fifty the number to get on board on this

1394
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 2: obl fan Friday mail bag. Any question you have about

1395
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 2: the bills, the playoffs, the league get large, combine, the draft,

1396
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 2: whatever thing you have on your mind, feel free to

1397
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 2: fire it off at us and Steve and I'll do

1398
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 2: our best to answer it for you. We go back

1399
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 2: to the phones and we go to gym in Florida.

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Speaker 2: What do you got for us?

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Speaker 12: Jim oh Hi, Chris. I just wanted to say that

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01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 12: I completely agree with you in the past show when

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01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 12: you said that we in the second especially in the

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01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 12: second half, ran on first down and passed on second down.

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01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 12: There's no question that Casey knew we were going to

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01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 12: do that. We were so predictable, and so they stopped

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01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 12: our run and then we had to pass on second

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01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 12: down and they stopped our pass. Yeah, I think it

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01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 12: was a I completely agree with you because I think

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01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 12: we've done that in the past two and I think

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01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 12: trying to trying to run the ball. People said we

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01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 12: got to run the ball. Well, I don't think we

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01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 12: always have to run the ball on first down, though

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01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 12: I think there's a serious we may and that's just

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01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 12: I just wanted to say that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's a valid point to reiterate, Jim, and

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01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 2: I get it, and I agree with it because I

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01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 2: was saying something similar on yesterday's show to your point.

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01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 2: I even said it during the radio broadcast while the

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01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 2: game was going on, because it was very clear that

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01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 2: the Chiefs had gotten a bead on what the Bills

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01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 2: were doing in the first half and in the second half,

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01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 2: the Bills were still trying to run the ball on

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01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 2: first down a lot. And then even if in those

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01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 2: instances where they got to second and medium to second

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01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 2: in short, they ran a majority of the time too.

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01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 2: I think it was ten out of the thirteen second

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01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 2: in shorts that they had anywhere from second and two

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01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 2: to second and four they ran the ball again. And

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01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,639
Speaker 2: I understand you're trying to run clock, hold on win

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01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 2: time of possession because your defense is shorthanded and can't

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01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 2: stop them. Totally understand that. But it's more important to

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01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 2: stay on schedule so you can hold on to the

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01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 2: ball than it is to run time off the clock

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01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 2: with a running play per se and when it was

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01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 2: clear that the Chiefs knew what was coming and they

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01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 2: were run blitzing you to neutralize that, you had to

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01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 2: turn to something else. The problem with that was exactly

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01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 2: what we were talking to Greg Cosell about in the

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01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 2: last segment, which was the Bill's passing game had limitations.

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01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 2: They didn't have a true field stretcher, they didn't have

1442
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 2: a reliable outside receiver opposite Digs, whose production had tailed

1443
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 2: off in the second half of the season, and it

1444
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 2: limited the Bills to using the middle of the field

1445
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 2: with Kincaid and Shakir, which fortunately kept the passing game afloat,

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Speaker 2: but I think it was still limited.

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Speaker 1: Nonetheless, yeah, I mean yeah, I'm I'm not get Yes,

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Speaker 1: we can discuss that at length and whenever. It's just

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01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: it's a crazy phenomenon to me that you know, you

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01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 1: can dissect any play, any game you want, and pull

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01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: it apart and criticize it up and down. It's just

1452
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: that the only time your criticism holds waters when you lose,

1453
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: when it's ridiculous, is when you win. Doesn't mean either

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01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: one of them is wrong. I'm so, I'm yeah. I've

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01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: said it before on the show. I'm reticent to criticize

1456
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: play selection because of just what I said. If it

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01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: doesn't work, you should have done the other thing. If

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01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: it does work, nobody has a leg to stand on.

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01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 1: Even if it was a stupid play call that works,

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01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 1: you can't be criticized, which is yeah. So I'm yeah,

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01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: I get it. And the only problem I have whether

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01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 1: you run it or you pass it on second and

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01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 1: short or second long, what first and ten is when

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Speaker 1: you become predictable. Doing it ten out of thirteen sounds

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Speaker 1: predictable to me.

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Speaker 2: Well, and here's the other thing too, And I said

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Speaker 2: this earlier in the week as well, concerning Joe Brady

1468
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 2: as the offensive coordinator, when you take over an offense

1469
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 2: with a system that's already been installed and repeated for

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01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 2: half the season, there is only so much you can

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Speaker 2: do to tweak it and alter it, and by no

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Speaker 2: means can you put your stamp on it yourself. As

1473
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 2: a play caller, you got to work with what is there.

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01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 2: It's almost like taking over a restaurant that already has

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01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 2: an established menu. You can move some things around, you

1476
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 2: can tweak the ingredients and some of the dishes, but

1477
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 2: you can't make wholesale changes on the fly. That's for

1478
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 2: the off season. And so Joe Brady, for all intents

1479
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 2: and purposes, was triaging the offense for the rest of

1480
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Speaker 2: the season, and I think in many ways he did

1481
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 2: make it a more effective attack on the whole. I

1482
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 2: think that the key here is how much of a

1483
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 2: pass do you give him knowing he was somewhat handcuffed

1484
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 2: having to work with what was already laid out for

1485
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:51,839
Speaker 2: this offense and this personnel. And then number two going forward,

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01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 2: what kind of coordinator does he want to be if

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01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 2: he is retained as the permanent guy? And that's what

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01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 2: he and Sean McDermott undoubtedly discussed in the interview session

1489
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 2: that they've had for this job on a permanent basis,

1490
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 2: how are you going to put your stamp on this

1491
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 2: offense in your estimation what needs to be added to

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01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 2: it for that to come to fruition, And then it's

1493
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Speaker 2: up to Sean McDermott to decide if that is a

1494
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 2: course he can take and believe in going forward into

1495
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four.

1496
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Speaker 1: The other thing that you were talking about about, you know,

1497
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 1: what you were hamstrung with and what your limitations were,

1498
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 1: what you were able to do that you couldn't do,

1499
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: what we able to do? What couldn't you do that?

1500
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 1: Those are all conversations that were probably had during season

1501
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: and when he took the job over anyway, and when

1502
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: Dorsey was released and Joe got the job, Joe Brady

1503
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 1: got the job, they had multitude. I would expect that

1504
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 1: they had a multitude conversation about where the offense was,

1505
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: where they wanted it to go, and how Joe was

1506
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: going to do it. All that stuff happened already. Now

1507
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: it's about it's about next year. It's about what are

1508
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: you gonna do now? What's next? What could we not

1509
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: do that we need to do and what's it going

1510
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 1: to take to get there. That's part of probably what

1511
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 1: this interview process was for Joe Brady. That's probably what

1512
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 1: Thad Lewis is talking to Sean McDermott about what he

1513
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: sees in this offense personnel. All of that stuff, what

1514
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: they saw as a what they saw people watching the

1515
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, as opponents thought about the Bills offense. All

1516
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: of that stuff is in the mix. And you know,

1517
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: when you get to be the hard offensive coordinator of

1518
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 1: a club, Yes, you get to you know, you get

1519
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 1: to create plays, you get a call plays, you get

1520
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: to depend on John you know, to use Josh Allen

1521
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 1: to his fullest. You gotta move guys around, you get

1522
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 1: to try different things. You can do all of that,

1523
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 1: but you also, yeah, you gotta have sometimes when you

1524
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 1: turn around and say, listen, they know we're gonna run it.

1525
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna run it and we're gonna be successful. Here

1526
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 1: we go. When you gotta line up and run it,

1527
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 1: when they know you're gonna run it. Yeah, So there's

1528
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 1: some there's some of that too. It's gonna be interesting

1529
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: to see how this offensive corner thing coordinator thing shakes out. Yeah,

1530
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's just all cut and dried

1531
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: that Joe Brady's automatically gonna be given the job.

1532
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 2: Be interesting to see how it plays out and if

1533
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 2: there are other candidates.

1534
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying Lewis, I'm not saying I don't

1535
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 1: want him to. I'm just saying I don't have. We

1536
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: don't have, we don't get a vote.

1537
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting to see how it plays out.

1538
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 2: Will there be other candidates? If so, how many and

1539
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 2: how quickly do they reach a decision?

1540
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: Who who? Who has not been like the guys we've excluded,

1541
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 1: these old head coaches, you know, these guys that don't

1542
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: want to be who doesn't want this job?

1543
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,520
Speaker 2: Right to work? Right?

1544
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 10: Right?

1545
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 2: I mean this this team is job security.

1546
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 1: This team, I don't care if I don't care, if

1547
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, I don't care what happens whoever lines up

1548
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 1: a wide because Randon Bean's gonna do his job. They're

1549
01:21:58,400 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 1: gonna have some guy. They're gonna you know, they're gonna

1550
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 1: get this thing together. When they line up on opening

1551
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 1: day in twenty twenty four, they're going to be one

1552
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 1: of a handful or less teams the people are gonna

1553
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 1: say that they got a chance.

1554
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 2: Let's crack open the OBL Friday fan mailbag tweetsheet, which,

1555
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 2: as always is brought to you by Corgan Moving Systems,

1556
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 2: the official equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills. And

1557
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 2: Rick leads us off and says, have a question about

1558
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 2: last Sunday's game. If the game plan going in was

1559
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 2: to run the ball to control the clock, thus keeping

1560
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes off the field, wouldn't it have made more

1561
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 2: sense to have Leonard Fournette, who was released, on the

1562
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 2: field rather than Latavius Murray. Well, I mean, just so

1563
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 2: you know, Latavius Murray didn't have I don't think he

1564
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 2: had a carry in the game. I'll go back and look,

1565
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 2: but I don't even remember him having a carry. I

1566
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 2: know James Cook had eighteen carries, he had the bulk

1567
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 2: of it to begin with. But I'm gonna go back

1568
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 2: right now and look at the game book and double check. Yeah,

1569
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 2: Latavius Murray did not have a carry in the entire game. So,

1570
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the point is moot. If it

1571
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 2: was Leonard Fournette, maybe, does he have a couple maybe,

1572
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 2: But it was clear to me that they felt the

1573
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 2: run game was going to go through James Cook and

1574
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 2: Ty Johnson, who had twenty five carries between them, eighteen

1575
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:19,599
Speaker 2: for Cook, seven for Johnson. That was the run game,

1576
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 2: and Josh obviously, who had twelve carries. So Latavius Murray

1577
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 2: or Leonard Fournett, I think it's a moot point because

1578
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 2: the answer was neither. Neither of them were nearly as

1579
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 2: explosive as Cook or as Johnson. And I think that's

1580
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 2: why I believe, as I said earlier in the show,

1581
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 2: Ty Johnson is priority number one for depth in the

1582
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 2: offensive backfield among the free agents on Buffalo's roster.

1583
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I get the infatuation with Leonard Fournette. Brownie

1584
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:48,759
Speaker 1: and I were kind of into it as well. I'd

1585
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 1: like to see the guy play, but you know, he

1586
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 1: was here for a couple of months and struggled to

1587
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 1: get on the field. Now, certainly you can say, well,

1588
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: the coaching staff might have been loyal to the guys

1589
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 1: that were actually there on the roster for the holy maybe,

1590
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 1: but by the same token, their responsibility is to get

1591
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: the best guys on the field. If they thought Leonard

1592
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 1: Fournette was a better option, he's not not he's on

1593
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:18,679
Speaker 1: the field. He's not being held out because some other

1594
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 1: guy might get his feelings hurt. It's not the way

1595
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 1: it works. So there's some tangible reasons why they did

1596
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: not feel comfortable with Leonard Fournette carrying the ball in

1597
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 1: the game. I mean, he got on the field once

1598
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 1: or twice this year, and as infatuated as Bill's mafia

1599
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:40,600
Speaker 1: was with the signing, as was I, I don't have

1600
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 1: any problem saying, listen, if they didn't want to play him,

1601
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 1: there's good, solid reasons for it. I'm not saying a

1602
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 1: guy can't play or doesn't have anything left in the tank.

1603
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 1: Maybe they bring him back for training camp and maybe

1604
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,600
Speaker 1: he sprouts next year and has a better year. But

1605
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 1: there is solid reasons why he didn't get on the

1606
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: field here. And it's not just because or whatever they

1607
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 1: didn't want to. It was because certain things didn't happen.

1608
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 2: J Pellow in the mail bag asks, I know this

1609
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 2: sounds insane, saying has been our adversary forever. However, would

1610
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 2: be to McDermott, ever, consider hiring Bill Belichick as defensive

1611
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 2: coordinator for one to two years to help the Bills

1612
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 2: quote get over the hump or do you think Ron

1613
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 2: Rivera will get a chance to interview for DC. No,

1614
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 2: and no, for the reasons we stated earlier. Both of

1615
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 2: these men have been head coaches in multiple places at

1616
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 2: this league's level and have achieved the highest levels of

1617
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 2: success that you could. Rivera went to Super Bowl as

1618
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 2: a head coach, Belichick's won six, been to nine. No,

1619
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 2: they're not coming anywhere as a defensive court.

1620
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 1: They're not gonna not anywhere as a defensive coordinator. I

1621
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 1: don't know Ron Reveau. No, no, no, no, they're not

1622
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 1: gonna do it. I'd be shocked if either one of

1623
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:52,600
Speaker 1: them does anything except be a head coach this year someplace.

1624
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 1: They're not gonna do that, so it's off the table.

1625
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:02,919
Speaker 2: No, Suzanna asks, I understand the basics of the player's

1626
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 2: salary cap. Is there a similar limit to the salaries

1627
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 2: for the head coaches? Who determines how much they're paid?

1628
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 2: Does the owner take that on or is that a

1629
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 2: franchise expense too. It's a franchise expense, but there's no cap.

1630
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 2: It's a supply and demand type thing. If an owner

1631
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 2: wants a guy badly enough, he'll pay whatever he needs

1632
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:21,640
Speaker 2: to pay to get the guy. To sign on the

1633
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 2: dotted line, So that is a free market society there. Now.

1634
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 2: The agents for the coaching prospects obviously keep tabs on

1635
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 2: how much coaches are getting paid around the league to

1636
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 2: make sure their guy gets fair market value, but there

1637
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 2: is no limit. Somebody wants to pay somebody twenty million

1638
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 2: dollars a year to coach their football team, they can

1639
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 2: do it.

1640
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 1: And it's not on the cap.

1641
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 2: And it is not on the cap in any way,

1642
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:45,719
Speaker 2: shape or form. It's an expense.

1643
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,759
Speaker 1: None of the coordinators are either or the assistant coaches

1644
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 1: or the staff, and only the players go on the

1645
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 1: salary cap.

1646
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 2: Got to take a break here when we come back,

1647
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 2: Steve and I will wrap it up with a couple

1648
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 2: of final questions from the obl Friday mailbag when we

1649
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 2: return here on one Bill's Live Stay tune. All right,

1650
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 2: some final questions from the mail bag here. Christine asks

1651
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 2: how hard is it to train a player to be

1652
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 2: a decent punt slash kickoff returner. Seems it's been a

1653
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 2: long time since we've had a good one, except for

1654
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 2: the very rare situation of the other team completely messing up.

1655
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 2: Part of that's, I would say, because of the rules,

1656
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 2: Steve kickers are now kicking off from the thirty five,

1657
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 2: not the thirty. Balls are going into the end zone

1658
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 2: for touchbacks far more often, so you have fewer returns

1659
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 2: across the league. That's number one. And then you have

1660
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,679
Speaker 2: other rules like lining up without taking a running start

1661
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:55,839
Speaker 2: defense you know, return team doing the same thing. Punters

1662
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 2: are better, forcing fair catches, kicking it higher, deeper, etc.

1663
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 1: Punters are better. Kickoffs are harder to be good at.

1664
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: You get the ball of the twenty five. If you

1665
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 1: don't return it, which is a good return, it's an incentive.

1666
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 1: It's an incentive not to return it. And it's I've

1667
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 1: said this before as well, and it's the truth. It

1668
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 1: was true when I played, it was true when guys

1669
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: the thirty years before me played, and it's true it'll

1670
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 1: be true in the future. The best teams in the

1671
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 1: league at returning kickoffs are the ones who do it

1672
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 1: live the most guy, the guys teams who get scored

1673
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:35,679
Speaker 1: on a bunch. It's you can't, it's you can't practice

1674
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 1: that play. Ever, I've never I'd never even once practiced

1675
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 1: a live kickoff kickoff return in my life, never never

1676
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 1: did once. The only time you get a rep is

1677
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 1: when the game comes on and you go live. And

1678
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 1: so the guys that do it the best are the

1679
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 1: ones who practice it the most by doing it in

1680
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 1: the game.

1681
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 2: So the answer, Christine is, even if you're good at it,

1682
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 2: it's harder than ever to be successful fill at it.

1683
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,639
Speaker 2: Based on the rules and how kickers have gotten better.

1684
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 1: It's hard to be consistently good.

1685
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 2: Yes, Julian asks, I have a question for you guys

1686
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 2: about to ask Bill's Mafia. Which day bothers you more?

1687
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 2: The Monday after losing in the playoffs again or is

1688
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 2: it on Sunday and realizing our bills don't have a game.

1689
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 2: I get it's pretty much the same question. But for me,

1690
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 2: I don't think I'll watch any of the games. Mondays

1691
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 2: are harder. I think Mondays are harder Mondays after the loss.

1692
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, this week, you know what, Brownie and I you

1693
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 1: can think about it. We get a weekend off for

1694
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:33,680
Speaker 1: the first time in a while, and you know, you

1695
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:35,600
Speaker 1: can sit down. You know I'm not doing you know

1696
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 1: all that stuff. You're not doing a game.

1697
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 2: I uh, I can't go against my homes. I don't

1698
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 2: know what it is. I think somehow, some way he's

1699
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 2: gonna pull it out. What about you. I'll take the

1700
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 2: home team, taking the home team, Okay, I hope you're right.

1701
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 2: We'll see on Monday. I got a three hour show

1702
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 2: at noon