Speaker 1: I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When
Speaker 1: I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 2: And when I find my ball in a Frida Egg
Speaker 2: Friday Egg, the dreaded Friday Friday, Frida Egg brid Egg,
Speaker 2: Friday Bride Egg, Lie, I'm about ready to run off
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Egg Golf Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Andy Johnson. Happy New Year. I hope
Speaker 1: everybody had is off to great start in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: I hope you all had a great holiday season in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. I'm not gonna lie. I'm still kind
Speaker 1: of shaking off the holiday blues. Getting firing back up
Speaker 1: the pod. I was, uh, I was, you know, it
Speaker 1: was it was nice. I was excited to check golf
Speaker 1: with Shane Bacon, but I also was I was, like,
Speaker 1: a week off was pretty nice. It had been a
Speaker 1: while since I had kind of a week off of
Speaker 1: off of work. So we're back expecting a really great
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Shane, who's on the podcast, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be doing more and more with us at Friday Golf,
Speaker 1: so we're really excited about that. And caught up with
Speaker 1: him to talk about a little bit some parting thoughts
Speaker 1: on twenty twenty three and then some thoughts on twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, which devolved, you know, into a discussion about
Speaker 1: the broadcast booth for NBC that's opened that I didn't expect,
Speaker 1: you know, brought it up in passing and it kind
Speaker 1: of ended up being a big focal topic of the pod.
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Speaker 1: welcome back another new year. Are you a big resolution guy?
Speaker 1: Are you in New Year's resolution guy?
Speaker 2: No, we we've started doing like extremely attainable things, like
Speaker 2: what's something that's attainable that's not a year long process,
Speaker 2: but maybe you want to do a little thing different.
Speaker 2: We lived in this house now andy since twenty March
Speaker 2: of twenty one, so we'll be coming up on three years.
Speaker 2: We've never had like full grass before, you know, like
Speaker 2: seated and sold it and all that. And you know
Speaker 2: in this and now with the putting green I have
Speaker 2: in the backyard, there's not a ton of grass to
Speaker 2: do that too. But I told my wife yesterday, my
Speaker 2: quote unquote New Year's resolution is to have like a
Speaker 2: grass yard this year. So that's I feel like that's
Speaker 2: extremely attainable. Like we could do that this year.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe maybe you could get a local agronomus
Speaker 1: to stop by and uh.
Speaker 2: You know, anybody sending my way, please thank you.
Speaker 1: You know, if you got a lot of shade, they
Speaker 1: might have a different grass recommendation. Try and make your
Speaker 1: life easy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would like multiple strains, is what I'm thinking,
Speaker 2: So as we if we could introduce multiple like exactly
Speaker 2: how do I need to like do we need to
Speaker 2: have water more in one part of the yard than
Speaker 2: the other part of the yard. And we're also andy.
Speaker 2: We're also so my kids this year are going to
Speaker 2: be five and two, and we threw around the idea
Speaker 2: of getting a trampoline as their Christmas present, but we
Speaker 2: live in Connecticut. Connecticut, it's not extremely trampoline weather right now,
Speaker 2: but I think we're going to do trampoline like mid
Speaker 2: Mar early April, and so we have also got to
Speaker 2: factor that into the this to the grass. But what
Speaker 2: about you? Are you doing a resolution?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not like a resolution guy. I do
Speaker 1: do make decisions and try and stick with them. Last year,
Speaker 1: I gave up soda. I didn't have a soda all
Speaker 1: year last year.
Speaker 2: Real quick, let me let me interject. Were you a
Speaker 2: what was your soda A choice?
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't drink a lot of soda, but oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I'm the same way. Like I'll have
Speaker 2: one on an airplane.
Speaker 1: I'll have I'll have like a I would have like
Speaker 1: a coke, okay, just a regular regular. I don't do
Speaker 1: the diet stuff. I think the diet coke might be
Speaker 1: worse for you than regular coke. I don't want to
Speaker 1: go down that that rabbit hole. But I just gave
Speaker 1: up soda. It was crazy because like I didn't even
Speaker 1: really notice, and then it was like October and I
Speaker 1: really wanted a soda one day and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I haven't had one of these all year.
Speaker 2: Now, will you bring those back into your life in twenty.
Speaker 1: Four I don't think so. I think I'm done with them, okay,
Speaker 1: but this year. So something that's stuck with me all year.
Speaker 1: Last year was in the US Open, they interviewed Novak
Speaker 1: Djokovic's wife and they asked what Novak liked to do
Speaker 1: at home, okay, and she was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: he just stretches all the time. And they're like, what
Speaker 1: stretches all the time? They like ask some questions and
Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, we'll watch TV stretches the entire time.
Speaker 1: So my kind of this year, my thing's going to
Speaker 1: be like I'm going to really focus on trying to
Speaker 1: stretch every day, just like it's super easy to do,
Speaker 1: but it's super hard to do, right, Like something very attainable.
Speaker 1: But like if I'm just I feel like, if you're
Speaker 1: just more flexible, life is easier. It's easier to get
Speaker 1: out of bed, it's easier to pick up your kid.
Speaker 1: Like it just there's no excuse either. It's like the
Speaker 1: easiest thing to do in the world. If you're watching TV,
Speaker 1: you could just stretch while you watch TV. It's like,
Speaker 1: legitimately the easiest thing to do. I'm gonna try and
Speaker 1: do it, but it's like one of those hard things
Speaker 1: to do well.
Speaker 2: I mean, it pulls you off the couch, right, which
Speaker 2: is you know, the place you want to be if
Speaker 2: you're watching TV. I remember I had I had justin
Speaker 2: so we did an in person podcast last year. I
Speaker 2: get a grip and I think he said four to
Speaker 2: six hours a day he stretches, which again, that's like
Speaker 2: that's like an enormous percentage of the day you're spinning stretching.
Speaker 2: But again, I mean he's a professional athlete like Novak,
Speaker 2: so you know, you've got to be focused on your
Speaker 2: body as much as possible. If Tom Brady taught us anything,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's elasticity in the body is one
Speaker 2: of the more important things in terms of longevity, right.
Speaker 2: You know what's the one thing for me because I
Speaker 2: do a little bit of what you talk about with Novak,
Speaker 2: Like we're upstairs watching you know, Survivor or Amazing Race
Speaker 2: or something like that. I'm probably on the floor half
Speaker 2: the show, rolling out on the phone roller or just
Speaker 2: stretching in general and the other But I've been trying
Speaker 2: to I know, you're a runner, so I've been trying
Speaker 2: to Somebody told me that you've got to stretch half
Speaker 2: the amount of time you exercise. So if you're gonna
Speaker 2: go a thirty minute run, you need to stretch fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes before the thirty minute run. I've been trying to
Speaker 2: dedicate myself to that over the last four or five
Speaker 2: six months, and I do notice a completely different change
Speaker 2: to begin the run, not necessarily mid run, late in
Speaker 2: the run, but to start off the run. I do
Speaker 2: feel like I'm almost warmed up as I've gotten going.
Speaker 1: You stretch before you run, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Like fifteen minutes. I mean, I'll do foam roller, I'll
Speaker 2: do some stretching myself. I've got a couple of stretching
Speaker 2: things that a PT taught me. And then I'll go
Speaker 2: outside and I'll do like hamstring and stretch the legs,
Speaker 2: like just basically my front yard before I get going.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, as opposed to kind of going
Speaker 2: out there cold run is what I've I've tried to do.
Speaker 2: By the way, if anybody hope that this podcast will
Speaker 2: be normal and Andy and I are on it, you're
Speaker 2: getting like eleven minutes of stretching talk to start well.
Speaker 1: It's funny because you know, you go out to run,
Speaker 1: and the first half mile the run is just like
Speaker 1: it feels like if you take one bad step, the
Speaker 1: run will be over. Yeah, you're gonna break.
Speaker 2: Your grip at acl or something. Yeah yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean especially you, I know you do a lot of
Speaker 2: trail running, you know, so it's like when your trail
Speaker 2: running and obviously step per step is is you know,
Speaker 2: not as predictable as like somebody like me who's running
Speaker 2: on the pavement a lot. You know, you just gotta
Speaker 2: be you got to got to keep your eyes in
Speaker 2: wits about you. By the way, trail running and hiking
Speaker 2: I love because I do feel like it's a little
Speaker 2: bit more of a mental workout than just like running,
Speaker 2: like street running like I do most of the time,
Speaker 2: because you're paying a lot of attention to where you're stepping.
Speaker 2: I remember when I used to hike camel back when
Speaker 2: I lived in Arizona all the time. You know, it'd
Speaker 2: be like thirty five minutes up right, and I'm busting
Speaker 2: my ass and I'm sweating, and I'm tired, and I'm
Speaker 2: I'm winded. But I always said going down was my
Speaker 2: mental workout because a wrong step and you might twist
Speaker 2: an ankle or you know, cut an arm or fall
Speaker 2: or do something like that. So it was I felt
Speaker 2: like it was a great kind of mix of both
Speaker 2: those worlds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the trail I run on a lot, it's like
Speaker 1: a it's like a five six hundred foot uh incline
Speaker 1: pretty quick. And what I find is that that it's
Speaker 1: like a it's awful. I'm not gonna lie like you
Speaker 1: do it and you're just like this is this is terrible.
Speaker 1: But the only way to do it is like focus
Speaker 1: on really like breathing. Well, like you it becomes almost
Speaker 1: like meditative, right, because you're so focused on your breath
Speaker 1: in order to get up. But I think, like I
Speaker 1: think it, I've been wondering. I you know, I haven't
Speaker 1: played competitive golf for a while long time, and I
Speaker 1: haven't really played golf for a while now now that
Speaker 1: I think about it, But I think about that breath
Speaker 1: work with golf, Like if you just focus on breathing,
Speaker 1: it helps so much in those high leverage moments in golf, right,
Speaker 1: is like really being able to lock in on how
Speaker 1: you're breathing to keep things normal. Because that's what I
Speaker 1: think sometimes happens when you get nervous, uh or you
Speaker 1: just lose the regularity of your breath and you see
Speaker 1: how how powerful it is when you run up a hill.
Speaker 1: Is like, it's not bad if you focus on the
Speaker 1: break the breathing. It's hard if you lose track of
Speaker 1: your breathing and you lose your breath.
Speaker 2: Then, I mean, I feel like, I mean, as we've
Speaker 2: kind of as pro sports have evolved a lot over
Speaker 2: the last let's call it seven years in terms of
Speaker 2: the mental focus as much as maybe the physical focus.
Speaker 2: And you know, I mean this is NFL players and
Speaker 2: NBA players, right, I mean you hear so much about
Speaker 2: like the work Lebron puts in and the stuff Steph
Speaker 2: does mentally to keep the focus, you know, as he
Speaker 2: gets older. I feel like golf has kind of got
Speaker 2: there as well. I would love to hear more of
Speaker 2: this from pro golfers, by the way, about how they
Speaker 2: go about their process in a golf round. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, like we do these do we? I know
Speaker 2: CBS did a great job last year of the like
Speaker 2: on course interviews. I love one of those interviews one
Speaker 2: day this year, it's like, what's the breathing like? Over
Speaker 2: the shot, you know, like, how are you going about
Speaker 2: the breathing technique as you prepared to hit a golf shot?
Speaker 2: Are you do you have a breath hold? Do you?
Speaker 2: You know? Like, because I'm sure they do, I'm sure
Speaker 2: they're thinking about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like people probably are afraid to ask that,
Speaker 1: especially in one of those settings, because you'd be worried
Speaker 1: that the guy is then started to think about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the Rick Rally book where he talks
Speaker 2: about the guy looking at a shadow over the swing,
Speaker 2: you know, and you're like, yeah, totally. But I mean again,
Speaker 2: I like that's the space for those types of questions,
Speaker 2: and I'd love to get a little bit more in
Speaker 2: depth on that because I you know, I mean, the
Speaker 2: stuff that these these top tier pros do outside of
Speaker 2: just going to the gym, I feel like hasn't totally
Speaker 2: been as explored as maybe I'd like it to be
Speaker 2: or or I haven't read the article yet, but I'm
Speaker 2: sure it's out there.
Speaker 1: I think too. Some of them are super secretive about
Speaker 1: what that, like think about Koepka, like, wouldn't tell anybody?
Speaker 1: Still hasn't said it, right, Still hasn't Yeah said what what?
Speaker 1: It was that he.
Speaker 2: Walks slower or something. Right, it was like, let's just
Speaker 2: slow down.
Speaker 1: That was one of the things. One of the things
Speaker 1: was to slow down. But he said it was something else,
Speaker 1: you know that that you know, after the Masters, him
Speaker 1: and his buddy stayed up, and you know it was
Speaker 1: his buddy was yelling at him about it. But like,
Speaker 1: I think that, like we've seen it with Tiger, Tiger
Speaker 1: is so much more open about his process and himself
Speaker 1: and the way he thinks about the game now, right
Speaker 1: than he was at age thirty three when he earthed,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty eight, when he was in his prime,
Speaker 1: just knocking down majors and trying to like inflict harm
Speaker 1: on his competitors, right, Psychological warfare, Andy.
Speaker 2: I have a question before we kind of dive into
Speaker 2: the topic here that we're going to talk about, because
Speaker 2: I know I felt this yesterday, so we're recording this
Speaker 2: on January two. I felt this on New Year's Day
Speaker 2: as we're kind of getting into the college football playoffs,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean East Coast person, It's it's five
Speaker 2: pm when the first game starts, right, I miss golf.
Speaker 2: I miss a little bit of golf. It's so wild
Speaker 2: how this happens. You take a few weeks off of
Speaker 2: paying attention to it and watching it all the time.
Speaker 2: And I'll be honest with you, I didn't watch any PNC.
Speaker 2: I don't think I watched a minute of the p
Speaker 2: and C.
Speaker 1: I hear you weren't plugged into the Hero.
Speaker 2: I don't think I watched the second of The Hero.
Speaker 2: So I don't think I watched literally a second of
Speaker 2: golf in the month of December that was That wasn't
Speaker 2: Q school that I covered. So outside of that, it's
Speaker 2: I've been four or five weeks off, which has made
Speaker 2: me kind of excited about Hawaii, you know, like that's
Speaker 2: why breaks are good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's a lot to be excited about
Speaker 1: with the West Coast swing in my opinion, you know,
Speaker 1: include Hawaii in that is the best, you know, like
Speaker 1: this to the Masters is the best season for golf.
Speaker 1: People are inside, people have time to watch stuff. People
Speaker 1: aren't You're not competing with people playing golf on the weekend,
Speaker 1: which I think is like an underrated thing that people
Speaker 1: don't talk about enough. It's like you capture. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: people who watch watch golf like to play golf too,
Speaker 1: Like and.
Speaker 2: They don't work Saturdays and Sundays. Right, this is what
Speaker 2: what a what a what a weird phenomenon there, And
Speaker 2: I can't believe you cracked that code.
Speaker 1: So so we're here, we're the like I think that's
Speaker 1: the most interesting. Golf is is really key one to
Speaker 1: the masters, right and and I you know, we have
Speaker 1: a lot of great events in the summer, but this
Speaker 1: this time of year is really great. And I agree,
Speaker 1: like I I kind of I'm itching to see golf again.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a little bummed about the ram defection. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like he always played well at Cappel And
Speaker 1: you know, you think about a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: we had that amazing Rom cam Smith duel, which was
Speaker 1: I think one of the better terms. Both of them
Speaker 1: are gone. Now Rory's not going to be there because.
Speaker 2: He watch that battle on the c dub. You know,
Speaker 2: you can just get just clue into that.
Speaker 1: But we're here. So to kick things off, I figure
Speaker 1: we'll do a part reflection on twenty twenty three, just
Speaker 1: three big picture kind of takeaways from the year, and
Speaker 1: then uh and then we'll dive into some predictions thoughts
Speaker 1: on twenty twenty four. So what uh what's your what
Speaker 1: are your takeaways from twenty twenty three?
Speaker 2: Well, I had this. It's kind of my last one,
Speaker 2: but I'll start with this just because of what we
Speaker 2: just talked about. I felt like last season golf on
Speaker 2: the men's side was extremely front loaded in terms of
Speaker 2: the storylines, and when you go back to early twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three, you know it was our introduction into the
Speaker 2: signature or elevate. I don't know what they're called. What
Speaker 2: do they call now?
Speaker 1: Are they signature this year, signature, signature.
Speaker 2: Elevated signature, They'll change.
Speaker 1: It'll designated, designated or elevated be a signature I'll give you.
Speaker 2: I'll give you over under October one, twenty four that
Speaker 2: has a sponsorship to it. Are you going to take
Speaker 2: the over or the under? So it's not gonna be
Speaker 2: it'll be like over.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think they're gonna try and sell I.
Speaker 1: You know, one one crazy prediction I almost put down
Speaker 1: this is jumping ahead, and I almost said that the
Speaker 1: PGA will change dates by the end of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: That would be super good, going back to old may
Speaker 2: or sorry, going back to August.
Speaker 1: Maybe, Yeah, that's I just I just like I think
Speaker 1: with the private equity money, the PIFF money, there could
Speaker 1: be just like another massive schedule shakeup.
Speaker 2: Andy, Can I say this to that point? Yeah, the
Speaker 2: MAYPGA stinks. Get it out of my face. There's way
Speaker 2: too many good tournaments bunch together.
Speaker 1: Well, it kills the summer. It kills That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It kills every event, every event between. That's not a
Speaker 1: maze between the Masters and the Open.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I couldn't agree with you more. Take it back
Speaker 2: to August. It was nothing wrong with that date, by
Speaker 2: the way, not that it was awesome. It was the
Speaker 2: only identity the PJA Championship had pre Blockie was the
Speaker 2: fact that it was the last major, and it was
Speaker 2: it was Glory's last shot, and that was obviously, you know,
Speaker 2: crushed and killed like the Western. But I was writing
Speaker 2: that early in the season, we had this new thing
Speaker 2: in golf on the PGA Tour that was really cool
Speaker 2: and unique and different, and it was one of those
Speaker 2: things where you went, why isn't this Why isn't it
Speaker 2: like this all the time? Right? The fact that everybody
Speaker 2: got together and played the same golf tournaments. You know,
Speaker 2: you think about like the Tiger Ernie phil Era and
Speaker 2: they would just play random events that the other two
Speaker 2: guys wouldn't be there, and VJ. It's like such a
Speaker 2: bummer that that was the case. But so we got
Speaker 2: Century with Rom Farmers was great, Phoenix Open, Scheffler wins,
Speaker 2: Rom wins at Riv, Scheffler wins the Players, and then
Speaker 2: ra wins the Masters, and it was literally Andy, if
Speaker 2: you remember, it was like, this is it, man, Like,
Speaker 2: these are the two best golfers in the world. We're
Speaker 2: getting them playing well week after week after week, and
Speaker 2: this is gonna be twenty twenty three and neither one again.
Speaker 2: It's just crazy that neither of those guys won another
Speaker 2: golf tournament at all, after this incredible run early in
Speaker 2: the year where it felt like we were gonna get
Speaker 2: this juggernaut battle of these two names. So I would say,
Speaker 2: when I look back on twenty twenty three, remembering how
Speaker 2: good those two guys played early in the year and
Speaker 2: how freaking awesome it was watching them go head to head,
Speaker 2: is gonna be was one of my big takeaways, you know,
Speaker 2: from then on. But I mean after that, so Andy,
Speaker 2: after those guys, after the Masters, right, I was looking
Speaker 2: at impactful wins on the PGA Tour were in a
Speaker 2: major championship by certified stars. Okay, these are like the
Speaker 2: guys that you turned the TV on on Saturday and
Speaker 2: Sunday if they're in the Hunt at the PGA, Hoveland
Speaker 2: at the Memorial, Ricky Fowler at the Rocket Mortgage, Rory
Speaker 2: at the Scottish and then Hoveland goes back to back
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. So you basically had like five impactful
Speaker 2: weeks and you kind of combine the two with Hobland
Speaker 2: there after April. It wasn't a great PGA Tour season
Speaker 2: after the start of it.
Speaker 1: You know, there were a lot of really good tournaments
Speaker 1: in there, but they weren't star driven because you think
Speaker 1: about like Nick Taylor at Canada, right, like I think
Speaker 1: about the you had Ricky at at the three MS
Speaker 1: or at the Rocket Mortgage, right, you had like great events,
Speaker 1: but not necessarily star driven stuff. I've got two things
Speaker 1: that kind of play off of that that are two
Speaker 1: of my things. So we'll do a little snake draft here.
Speaker 1: One thing that I think, you know, I was just
Speaker 1: looking at the year is Wyndham Clark, Like is he
Speaker 1: a flash in the pan? Or are we going to
Speaker 1: look at him as a late bloomer star, right, is
Speaker 1: he going to be like someone that we look at of, Oh,
Speaker 1: I can't believe Wyndam Clark won that US Open Or
Speaker 1: is it going to be like, oh, that was Wyndham
Speaker 1: Clark's like big coming out party and he won obviously.
Speaker 1: Wells Fargo also on the way to that, And it's like,
Speaker 1: I think, like that's a big thing that twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: Like when we go ten years out, what Window Clark
Speaker 1: becomes is actually kind of like kind of a barometer
Speaker 1: I think of twenty twenty three because if he becomes
Speaker 1: like a really good player, like if he becomes a
Speaker 1: Tony Finale, let's just say level player in terms of
Speaker 1: or Andy.
Speaker 2: Or Max, right, I mean, yeah, it's the trajectory is
Speaker 2: kind of on the I mean, he's younger, I think
Speaker 2: in terms of making that switch and turning it on
Speaker 2: to what we saw with Max from you know, Corn
Speaker 2: Ferry Tour to PGA Tour star. But I'd say in
Speaker 2: relative terms, is could he be that? Right to you
Speaker 2: to your point, could he be a certified top ten superstar?
Speaker 2: You know in the haunt a lot guy.
Speaker 1: Like a guy that makes multiple team competitions like he
Speaker 1: three Ryder Cup teams or you know, four Ryder Cup teams.
Speaker 1: That's hard, Like I think that's a real barometer. Like
Speaker 1: if he becomes that, then I think twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: we look back and we'll be like, Wow, the major
Speaker 1: winners went rom Kepka, Wyndham Clark, and then you'll have
Speaker 1: Brian Harmon, which I think Brian Harmon is a nice player.
Speaker 1: That was a nice story. It was a dominant win.
Speaker 1: But like that, this the major year is kind of
Speaker 1: like a little bit underwhelming now but could be look back,
Speaker 1: be really good. Yeah, if Wyndham Clark's this late bloomer.
Speaker 1: And then I think like the second thing that you
Speaker 1: hit on with, you know, impactful wins like Lack that
Speaker 1: are of like so going into that that rom Scotti
Speaker 1: was Rory's ridiculous run, right, and I think with Rory,
Speaker 1: you've got this now. Seven in the last eight majors
Speaker 1: he's finished in the top ten, which is crazy consistency.
Speaker 1: Last year Scheffler wins a couple out of the gate,
Speaker 1: but then the year is just the putter is not
Speaker 1: really agreeing, but he's hitting the ball better than anybody
Speaker 1: that we've ever seen other than Tiger, right, and he's
Speaker 1: taking this ball and they're both like they're both achieving
Speaker 1: in different ways. This thing that every golfer strives for.
Speaker 1: It's what Tiger always used to was the barama of
Speaker 1: Tiger's success was he always talked about consistency, and these
Speaker 1: players have become so consistent, yet there's so much frustration
Speaker 1: within each of their consistency, like they are putting themselves
Speaker 1: into position. You have to be there to win, right,
Speaker 1: Like both of these guys are like, and because of that,
Speaker 1: I could see either of those guys having monster years,
Speaker 1: whether it's from a major standpoint with Rory or a
Speaker 1: major and regular event standpoint with Scotty, just because you
Speaker 1: have to be there to win. And both of those
Speaker 1: guys in different in different ways, have just been there, right,
Speaker 1: they just haven't gotten it done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know you you obviously. I mean
Speaker 2: every year is the biggest year for Rory in terms
Speaker 2: of his career, in terms of major championship golf, right,
Speaker 2: I mean every time we get to the next season
Speaker 2: until he wins another one. But for Scotty, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of sneak getting to that point. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, you put yourself in contention this often in
Speaker 2: the big events, and what we are going to be
Speaker 2: on what is that two it'll be.
Speaker 1: Two years, he'll be eight. Yeah, he'll be eight. It'll
Speaker 1: be his eighth major.
Speaker 2: And I mean, I mean, I'm sure you have it
Speaker 2: in front of you. How many you know of those
Speaker 2: of those seven after his win, we're top five finishes?
Speaker 2: I mean, what is it four or five of those?
Speaker 2: Not top five finishes, not.
Speaker 1: Just top five finishes, but you think about like like
Speaker 1: literally have a chance to win. Yeah, like Brookline, he
Speaker 1: was like right there, right there, Lacc was right there
Speaker 1: the PGA at okill really kind of right there. On Saturday,
Speaker 1: his punter killed him and then he ended up tied
Speaker 1: for second. So yeah, I mean he's been there almost
Speaker 1: every single major.
Speaker 2: We call him front door top fives. Like what's the
Speaker 2: term here, because I mean we love backdoor top tens.
Speaker 2: What is the what's Scotty's top five situation here?
Speaker 1: I think it's got to be just like in the
Speaker 1: something in the in the mixer or something.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, gotcha. It's like like the host table top five
Speaker 2: where you know you got in and you're waiting for
Speaker 2: your table to sit down.
Speaker 1: You're in the blender.
Speaker 2: I mean he was. He's been in the blender a lot.
Speaker 2: I mean, this dude is like strawberries. I mean, it
Speaker 2: is unbelievable how often we see him where you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, and he gets like sleepy stuff, or he'll
Speaker 2: be he'll be you know, fourth come like midday on
Speaker 2: Saturday in these majors, and you just go, did Scotty
Speaker 2: Scheffler come from?
Speaker 1: But let's just say, oh yeah, he's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he's leading the field and off the tee and approach surprised.
Speaker 2: Another Scotty week. But you know, like if you go
Speaker 2: through twenty four and he doesn't win a major, then
Speaker 2: it might start to be a thing, if it's not
Speaker 2: already a thing in his brain. So I think, you know,
Speaker 2: I think it's it's not he's not on the same
Speaker 2: he's not not at the same level as Rory in
Speaker 2: terms of the importance of majors every time.
Speaker 1: He gets there, but getting there though at.
Speaker 2: Some point he's not getting the ball like God anymore.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean, I think that's the one of
Speaker 1: the things with with the game right now, and and
Speaker 1: this year I think added to that is that I
Speaker 1: think four guys have have really kind of separated themselves
Speaker 1: as of right now. And it's four guys, So who.
Speaker 2: Is that is? That's that's Scotty, Rom, Rory and and
Speaker 2: Brooks and Brooks okay, right, And those guys are a
Speaker 2: different plane than kind of everybody else right now, especially
Speaker 2: in majors.
Speaker 1: It feels like those four guys at any type of
Speaker 1: golf course you know, are going to be they have
Speaker 1: to be your four favorites, right.
Speaker 2: I know, I know you're a Simmons podcast listener. He
Speaker 2: was talking about something with cousin sal this past week
Speaker 2: about the forty nine ers in the Ravens. They said
Speaker 2: that these are two teams that can win in any conditions. Right,
Speaker 2: These are why they're the two best teams in both conferences.
Speaker 2: They can win if it's cold and rainy and crappy,
Speaker 2: they can win, if it's a beautiful seventy five degree day,
Speaker 2: they can win inside, they can win outside those types
Speaker 2: of things. It feels like these four guys are similar
Speaker 2: where you know, you look at some of the courses
Speaker 2: Rory has, I mean, Rory's maybe the outlier in the
Speaker 2: sense because a lot of his wins come on kind
Speaker 2: of the same style golf courses, but we have also
Speaker 2: seen him play well and contend outside of that style
Speaker 2: golf course everywhere. The Old Course isn't quihalo, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: And I.
Speaker 1: Think that's like the thing is the last two years
Speaker 1: that consistency and majors at different types of setups, right
Speaker 1: lacc the old course, you know, he played horrendous and finished.
Speaker 1: You know, I think, what was it seventh at Okill?
Speaker 1: Those played awful, like you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean, Like I mean Tory, like sneak backdoor,
Speaker 2: sneaks into that at Tory and like has a legit
Speaker 2: chance standing on eleven t to win that US Open.
Speaker 2: You know, that's andy. I haven't really thought about that.
Speaker 2: That's a really interesting point about Rory because when you
Speaker 2: when we look back on this Rory run, whatever you
Speaker 2: want to call it, his career, his thirties, whatever, it is,
Speaker 2: like his wins were dominant victories. He was just better
Speaker 2: than everybody else, you know, Like when he won those majors,
Speaker 2: he was winning by a million golf shots, like winning
Speaker 2: by eight and a major. Could you imagine somebody doing
Speaker 2: that now? Like just see I mean.
Speaker 1: I think like Harmon was close to that name. Everybody
Speaker 1: was sh I.
Speaker 2: Mean, like Shane Lowry and Brian Harmon or like the
Speaker 2: two guys I think about when I think about blowout
Speaker 2: major championship victories in recent golf history, right, Rory wins
Speaker 2: two majors by eight just simply better than everybody hit it.
Speaker 2: He hit it farther, he hit it. He was a
Speaker 2: great putter, He was extremely confident, he believed in himself.
Speaker 2: All those things, you know, transfired to these victories early
Speaker 2: in his career. You could make an argument that the
Speaker 2: last two and a half three years in major championship golfer,
Speaker 2: Rory McElroy has been better golf, and he's won the majors,
Speaker 2: but on different golf courses to your point, that ask
Speaker 2: different questions that make you style your game in times
Speaker 2: to what that golf course is asking, and to be
Speaker 2: able to go play well at LACC and play well
Speaker 2: at the Old Course and bounce back and forth at
Speaker 2: these places. Really, the only place we haven't seen Rory
Speaker 2: play good golf at the last few years has been
Speaker 2: Augusta Nastional I mean, outside of that styled golf course,
Speaker 2: which you know, I mean he's a threat to win
Speaker 2: therevery year, just simply from the power in the driving.
Speaker 2: But it's just been these other major venues that we've
Speaker 2: seen Rory really display the beauty that we wanted to
Speaker 2: see from Rory. Honestly, Andy, I think a two shots
Speaker 2: from Rory's year this pas last year, the shot into
Speaker 2: the into the last green at the Scottish where he
Speaker 2: scaled down and went to the two iron instead of
Speaker 2: the three iron and hit the cut. And then that
Speaker 2: pitch shot at the Ryder Cup that he hit the
Speaker 2: low fizzor that you know, went about head high open back.
Speaker 1: To sixty degree. I've tried to hit that. I've tried
Speaker 1: to hit that so many times. I can't figure it out.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's such a hard golf shot to pull up.
Speaker 1: But I think what we might just get up in
Speaker 1: the air. It's like it like rolls up.
Speaker 2: The face and it doesn't check and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is supposed to rip, But you know, like these
Speaker 2: are these are artistic golf shots. And I feel like
Speaker 2: we've lost at least golf in general has lost the
Speaker 2: idea of Rory as the artist. And Rory is still
Speaker 2: a great artist on the golf course and We've seen
Speaker 2: it on different canvases over the last few years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of It's kind of like the maturation
Speaker 1: of like a great NBA player, where you know, they
Speaker 1: go from a great scorer to like teams start to
Speaker 1: blitz them or whatever, send doubles and they might struggle
Speaker 1: to figure it out, but then once they understand it,
Speaker 1: it's like then sending a second defenders like the worst
Speaker 1: thing you could do. It's like Lebron, like you just
Speaker 1: you don't want to send a second defender at Lebron
Speaker 1: because and so it's like in golf, like I think,
Speaker 1: being able to play different styles and in types of
Speaker 1: golf courses, the idea of like, you know, no golf
Speaker 1: course not fitting your game, Like you know, we saw
Speaker 1: it with Brooks, even you know, as great of a
Speaker 1: major champion as Brooks is, he rolled up to l
Speaker 1: ACC and after after a round he's like, I just
Speaker 1: don't like this place. This isn't my kind of major
Speaker 1: championship test. It's like that. That's like a guy saying,
Speaker 1: you know what, a quarterback in the NFL being like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I can't break down zone defenses, right,
Speaker 1: you don't want to hear Uh, you know, that's I
Speaker 1: think where Rory's gone is they haven't come. The wins
Speaker 1: haven't come, but the consistency, and that's what every go
Speaker 1: well for once, that's what the you know, I kind
Speaker 1: of think, so what's your second one?
Speaker 2: So my second one is is recent and just it
Speaker 2: was on my mind when I was thinking about twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three. It's not necessarily the biggest story, but the
Speaker 2: Hayden Springer getting his PGA tour card. I just don't
Speaker 2: think we need to forget it as we get into
Speaker 2: twenty four and I like, I I love Hayden Springer.
Speaker 2: I root for this guy so much. I mean, going
Speaker 2: through that, I can't imagine what it's been like over
Speaker 2: the last three months in his life. And for him
Speaker 2: to go and play as well as he did to
Speaker 2: get his tour card was one of the great stories
Speaker 2: in sports last year.
Speaker 1: I thought, Yeah, so, you know, for anybody that's unaware,
Speaker 1: Hayden Springer went to Q School and Q School's back
Speaker 1: awarding cards five cards. Shane was on the call, but
Speaker 1: Hayden Springer.
Speaker 2: So saw fun by the way that it's back by
Speaker 2: the way, and yeah, it's just so cool that Q
Speaker 2: school's back.
Speaker 1: A month before Q School, Hayden Springer lost his daughter
Speaker 1: who had been battling a rare disease, you know, and
Speaker 1: she was what about two or three yep.
Speaker 2: Three, Yeah, Yeah, she was one of one of two
Speaker 2: daughters and they lost her and the doctors had said
Speaker 2: they you know, gave her weeks to live. She lived
Speaker 2: you know, years, which is incredible. But you know, I
Speaker 2: mean he had to. I mean, this is the guy
Speaker 2: had to talk about it after every round, you know,
Speaker 2: the media, and he was interviewed about it and yet
Speaker 2: still goes out there and played stones golf down the
Speaker 2: stretch especially.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so amazing story. Definitely somebody uh to favorite on
Speaker 1: that you know on Uh, it's someone that I think,
Speaker 1: like one of the hard things about pro golf is
Speaker 1: it's hard to figure out who you root for totally right,
Speaker 1: Like this is a guy that makes it easy to
Speaker 1: root for them. Like I think like that's one of
Speaker 1: the things that Max has done so well with his
Speaker 1: social media, Like with just the being himself on social
Speaker 1: media has made him such a fan favorite because it
Speaker 1: gives somebody a reason to root for him. Oh, like,
Speaker 1: why do you root for Maxima? I love the way
Speaker 1: he he is on social media, it seems like a
Speaker 1: great guy, right, Like that's otherwise it's like why why
Speaker 1: are you in for Kega Bradley? Well, I'm a Red
Speaker 1: Sox fan. Like that's like what you get, right, I mean.
Speaker 2: It's your point getting into golf, get into pro golf.
Speaker 2: To attach yourself to someone or multiple players is not
Speaker 2: the easiest thing to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, versus like a team is easy to attach yourself totally, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm all right, so my last one from toy Toy three,
Speaker 1: I just we're in self improvement season, so I had
Speaker 1: to call this out. I think this is like a
Speaker 1: great example of like people get super ambitious this time
Speaker 1: of year, but it's just like a small focusing on
Speaker 1: small things. Victor Hovelin's evolution, heck, and his ability to
Speaker 1: just like hone in and recognize a weakness, recognize something
Speaker 1: holding him back and do everything he can to turn
Speaker 1: that around, right and how oh he's become just like
Speaker 1: a complete player. A I think, like, of all the
Speaker 1: players that aren't in that top four that I said before,
Speaker 1: when it comes to majors, Victor Holn's is the one
Speaker 1: that I would expect most to jump into that and
Speaker 1: maybe make it like, you know, one of those guys
Speaker 1: that hey anywhere anytime you know someone that is kind
Speaker 1: of like a off three prediction type thing. Is what's
Speaker 1: will z L Tours? You know, that's a question for
Speaker 1: me because like this time last year, we're probably talking
Speaker 1: about will z L Tours as one of those major
Speaker 1: championship specialists, right. But Victor Holn, I mean, he's got
Speaker 1: all the tools now, all the shots, and you have
Speaker 1: to you could see a really big year from him
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was It was cool. He seems
Speaker 2: like the kind of guy that wants to be there too,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean that's what's been fun to watch.
Speaker 2: Is it seems like he wants to play Rory or
Speaker 2: he wants to play Rom in these moments, you know.
Speaker 2: And I mean I don't know if that was the case.
Speaker 2: You think about Jordan Speed winning majors early in his career,
Speaker 2: and you think about obviously twenty fifteen, that eight year
Speaker 2: he had he needed twenty fourteen at the Masters losing
Speaker 2: to Bubba that was an important moment. I think for
Speaker 2: Jordan Speed as a young player. I think Victor is
Speaker 2: kind of counting these major moments where he's been close.
Speaker 2: Think about Saint Andrew's played terrible, you know, next to
Speaker 2: Rory McElroy on that Sunday. Then he gets to the
Speaker 2: PGA and he played really, really solid.
Speaker 1: He was in the mix of the Masters too. He
Speaker 1: didn't play great, right, it was.
Speaker 2: The pgaight, things changed, right, He played great for fifteen
Speaker 2: holes and then he gets that break in the bunker
Speaker 2: on sixteen. But he was right there. I mean, it
Speaker 2: was it was feeling like it might be a playoff
Speaker 2: between him and Koepka, and you know, obviously the season
Speaker 2: continued to that point. I also a lot of the time,
Speaker 2: especially with young players, I'll look at how they played
Speaker 2: after a moment like that where either you won or
Speaker 2: you lost, you know, and it was it's extremely emotional,
Speaker 2: you know, physical toll, emotional toll, things like that. How'd
Speaker 2: you play after that? And he played excellent, you know,
Speaker 2: he was awesome. It wins the Memorial, wins a couple
Speaker 2: of playoff events, played awesome at the Ryder Cups. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Victor. Victor I think is the most
Speaker 2: likely candidate to kind of jump into the top five number.
Speaker 1: You said, what's your last one all.
Speaker 2: Right, I want to give a shout out to the
Speaker 2: LPGA Lily of Vu. I think it's easy to forget
Speaker 2: her ceasing had never won on the LPGA Tour. I
Speaker 2: looked this up. So she was forty first at the
Speaker 2: end of the year last year. Okay, she wins four times,
Speaker 2: two majors, becomes world number one. Eric Cole is currently
Speaker 2: forty first on the PGA Tour, or excuse me, on
Speaker 2: the OWGR So it would be like Eric Cole winning
Speaker 2: two majors four times and becoming world number one at
Speaker 2: the end of the year this year in men's golf.
Speaker 2: That's how crazy and out of nowhere it came for
Speaker 2: Lily Vu player of the Year. So I just wanted
Speaker 2: to give a shout out to her season because on
Speaker 2: the men's side it might have felt a little diluted
Speaker 2: after the Masters in terms of anybody having a great season.
Speaker 2: I feel like in golf, Lily a Vu was the
Speaker 2: player that had that great season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like other players around Eric Cole, Cam Davis, Harris,
Speaker 1: English JT posting like all of them would be shocking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if they got to be top five, you'd
Speaker 2: be like, what happened here? You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it's an amazing that's an amazing story. And
Speaker 1: obviously I think Eric Cole is a great story too, totally.
Speaker 1: The guy he brought up he was playing minor league
Speaker 1: events that at the beginning of last year, he was
Speaker 1: playing on the minor league Tour. All right, let's get
Speaker 1: to Toy Toy four. We're gonna add us for a
Speaker 1: couple of predictions. So what do you got for us?
Speaker 2: All right? I think somebody of these three is going
Speaker 2: to return to dominance. I wrote down the three players
Speaker 2: that I feel like all kind of fit the same mold,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense, Andy. So my three here are JT, Jordan,
Speaker 2: and Collin. I feel like all three of those players
Speaker 2: are you know, at one point in golf for the
Speaker 2: best player in golf. Have struggled at times, if not
Speaker 2: for long stretches over the last years, and I feel
Speaker 2: like with Rom leaving to go to live, it was
Speaker 2: it's kind of Rory and everybody else, and I feel
Speaker 2: like Rory could really be helped at by one of
Speaker 2: these guys joining him. And that's not Scotti. Scheffler. I
Speaker 2: love Scheffler. I understand he's one of the best players
Speaker 2: in the world. But in terms of marketing big names
Speaker 2: things like that, in golf, you need a Morikawa, a
Speaker 2: Jordan or a JT to become really really good again.
Speaker 2: And I think one of those is going to have
Speaker 2: a great season. And I think as I look at
Speaker 2: those three names, it feels like Morikawa is that guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's super important for I think it's
Speaker 1: super important for JT and Jordan just each other to
Speaker 1: them because those guys have that star appeal. I think
Speaker 1: Alum Markawa obviously great player two majors, has accomplished so
Speaker 1: much in such a short period of time, but they
Speaker 1: just don't have the box office appeal of a Jordan
Speaker 1: Speeth or a JT. Right now, Kyle Markawa doesn't. And
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily it's not a knock against him. I mean,
Speaker 1: these guys are have been pros for longer, and we've
Speaker 1: seen it with golf. Like one of the things that
Speaker 1: golf really thrives with and does better than sports like
Speaker 1: the NFL, is creates these long stars, Like think about Rory.
Speaker 1: We are now almost year twenty, like getting close to
Speaker 1: year twenty of Rory, right, We're like probably seventeen years
Speaker 1: in is sixteen years into Rory. You know, Tiger, We're
Speaker 1: thirty years into Tiger, right, and you know Phil, same thing,
Speaker 1: Like thirty years of Phil, thirty plus years of Phil.
Speaker 1: Like that is what the PGA Tour does so well,
Speaker 1: and it's been something that's kind of like with this
Speaker 1: youth invasion has eroded a little bit with the PGA Tour,
Speaker 1: is that we don't like, you know, Adam Scott's kind
Speaker 1: of an afterthought now, right versus you know, in when
Speaker 1: it was fearic can Phil and Heyday, like this was
Speaker 1: like you know, early forties was prime time, right, Like.
Speaker 2: Like just justin Rose last year, Andy having the year
Speaker 2: he had was like this crazy outlier moment that used
Speaker 2: to be pretty normal and he was forty yeah right.
Speaker 1: Right right, like that that used to be like okay,
Speaker 1: Like I mean Phil didn't win a major till what thirty.
Speaker 2: Four, Yeah, thirty three, the thirty three yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's like, you know, all these the game
Speaker 1: has changed so much, and I just I do think
Speaker 1: this is a big moment for those two because it's
Speaker 1: like are they just second page guys now or are
Speaker 1: they still you know, one of the guys in the sport? Right?
Speaker 1: And I think that's the that's a big question, and
Speaker 1: I I think for the PGA Tour sake, you know,
Speaker 1: who knows what this resolution is going to end up
Speaker 1: being what it's going to look like. But the better
Speaker 1: they play, especially in the beginning of this year while
Speaker 1: these negotiations are going on, is extremely important for the
Speaker 1: sport as a whole. When you talk about men's professional golf,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about you know, golf in general, recreational golf,
Speaker 1: women's golf, men's men's professional golf. Jordan Speith and JT
Speaker 1: getting off to good starts this year is very very important.
Speaker 1: I've got I've got I think that I think Pebble
Speaker 1: Beach is going to be one of the best events
Speaker 1: of the year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with you on that.
Speaker 1: That's one of my predictions is that this event is
Speaker 1: going to be We're gonna we're gonna be get done
Speaker 1: with that event, the new format with with like seventy players,
Speaker 1: no no celebrities on the weekend, and we're gonna be like,
Speaker 1: why why was this event this way for the last
Speaker 1: thirty years?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know you I remember so when
Speaker 2: we did the twenty nineteen US Open at Pebble Beach.
Speaker 2: One of my bosses at the time at Fox was
Speaker 2: not a big golfer, and I remember Saturday night we
Speaker 2: factioned and I'd got done in our booth, and our
Speaker 2: booth was right by the Beach Club, right there, you know.
Speaker 1: I remember stopping by, yeah, yeah, yeh yes, you know it's.
Speaker 2: Right there by four and we walked in. There was
Speaker 2: like a little bit of a get together, and this
Speaker 2: boss came up to me and he was like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: you know, you guys did a great job whatever, and
Speaker 2: he goes, I got a question for you. Why don't
Speaker 2: think I have the US opened at Pebble Beach every year?
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, you know, it's you know,
Speaker 2: I kind of went in it. You know, I knew
Speaker 2: what he was saying, like he was he was kind
Speaker 2: of joking, right, but I think his point was valid.
Speaker 2: West Coast Primetime Viewing, most beautiful golf course arguably in
Speaker 2: the entire world, awesome venue. I know you've got some
Speaker 2: I know you've got some issues in terms of the
Speaker 2: way it needs to be restored, which I probably agree
Speaker 2: with most of your takes there. But even in its
Speaker 2: current you know, rendering, it's still amazing. You know the course,
Speaker 2: you know the holes, you know that front nine stretch.
Speaker 2: Like golf fans, even casual golf fans, know what seven is,
Speaker 2: know what eight is, know what seventeen is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's I mean, like how many golf
Speaker 1: courses in the world does do a lot of fans
Speaker 1: know five holes?
Speaker 2: I would say five, three may probably. I don't know
Speaker 2: St Andrews.
Speaker 1: I don't think people do. I think I think it's
Speaker 1: Augusta Sawgrass and Pebble Beach. Pebble Beach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's I mean, you you
Speaker 2: you might have an argument from somebody about Riviera just
Speaker 2: because there's so much unique in terms of their holes,
Speaker 2: But I don't think it probably is on the list.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I mean, like I it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to take a step, but I just don't think like
Speaker 1: a regular fan would. And I think, like, honestly, an
Speaker 1: event that's probably a course that's like building up towards
Speaker 1: that and it's it's like the final four holes. But
Speaker 1: is uh Scottsdale.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's that's probably maybe the closest in
Speaker 2: terms of in the running. But you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: this guy says to me. You know, why don't you
Speaker 2: have a US Open at Pebble every year? Well, we
Speaker 2: have an early season opportunit unity with the pro Am
Speaker 2: and it as you and I have known for years,
Speaker 2: and it's been a running joke on social media for years,
Speaker 2: the most ungolfy broadcast of the year was always that
Speaker 2: Saturday at the pro Am because they had to infuse
Speaker 2: the celebrities and in the broadcast and you kind of
Speaker 2: failed to see what was the star, which is Pebble Beach.
Speaker 2: And now the star is back right.
Speaker 1: And it's like, think about that field, you know, the
Speaker 1: in recent years it's been going up against that Saudi
Speaker 1: International field, Okay, and it's just been like what happened
Speaker 1: to Pebble Beach is like the one of the worst
Speaker 1: fields on the PGA Tour, and it's like, oh, now
Speaker 1: we're gonna get the very best players in the world
Speaker 1: at Pebble Beach on the weekend. I mean, that event
Speaker 1: has done a complete one eighty for diehard golf fan.
Speaker 2: I totally agree. Andy. Have a question for you. Let's
Speaker 2: say this year is a crazy success. Right to your point,
Speaker 2: do you see in the future the potential for Cypress
Speaker 2: to get back in the road.
Speaker 1: To well, I think this the limited number of players
Speaker 1: is the biggest draw for that potentially happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. I'd heard some murmurs last year,
Speaker 2: like mid summer, just you know, some light murmurs. But
Speaker 2: it would be epic, epic to have that, like with
Speaker 2: modern technology. That's the thing people don't understand, Andy, is
Speaker 2: what was the last time was like in the early nineties,
Speaker 2: was the last time Cypress was a part of this?
Speaker 2: Like drones haven't been a part of a Cypress broadcast, right,
Speaker 2: I mean the tower camera HD four K, all these
Speaker 2: things on you know, fifteen sixteen seventeen. Would I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, you'd have that and then you could flip
Speaker 2: over to pebbles for goodness.
Speaker 1: Say yeah, think about how excited nance would be too.
Speaker 1: Nance would be sud be thrown. You'd be thrown ninety five.
Speaker 2: Listen, nobody could speak better or or would know more
Speaker 2: about a golf course in terms of a host than
Speaker 2: than than Jim at Cyprus. It would be I would
Speaker 2: be all in all day. Can we give a shout
Speaker 2: out to Jim Nantz by the way, I feel like
Speaker 2: he does. I feel like we underappreciate how freaking good
Speaker 2: he is at his job because we hear him so
Speaker 2: much in golf.
Speaker 1: I agree with this awesome he's I mean so good
Speaker 1: at his job. Well, I think the thing that I
Speaker 1: think is amazing and I don't know exactly what his
Speaker 1: schedule is going to be now, but it's like the
Speaker 1: way where you can go from being the best voice
Speaker 1: on football to then like calling the NC Double a
Speaker 1: Final four and then just like effortlessly then shifting back
Speaker 1: to golf. Right, It's the It's the variety. It's the
Speaker 1: ability to to be able to talk about sports, multiple sports,
Speaker 1: and an extraordinarily high level that I think is under
Speaker 1: the radar, you know, be on just like the name stats,
Speaker 1: knowing that like the work that he has to put
Speaker 1: in to do that. It is the ability to pay
Speaker 1: attention like he the guy has to work really hard.
Speaker 2: Oh so that was my My big takeaway working with
Speaker 2: Joe Buck when I worked with him at the during
Speaker 2: the Fox Golf days, was how much time he'd put
Speaker 2: in to four days of a US Open broadcast. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, like months in advanced he's reading, researching, He
Speaker 2: had multiple researchers that were sending him information. I mean
Speaker 2: this guy probably spent five months, you know, multiple days
Speaker 2: a week, reading, researching, knowing everything he could about a
Speaker 2: the golf course and be the players involved. It was
Speaker 2: amazing how much time he would put in for four
Speaker 2: days of work. It was, it was, it made it
Speaker 2: made me understand that it was it needed I needed
Speaker 2: to elevate. I'll say that.
Speaker 1: I I I'm definitely I'm not gonna name names, but
Speaker 1: what I will I will say that when you see
Speaker 1: the people that do the work, it makes the people
Speaker 1: in the broadcast industry that don't do the work so
Speaker 1: very very apparent, right it is. It's an interesting dynamic,
Speaker 1: but like you know, it requires you know, people like
Speaker 1: I think Trevor Moulment's done like a fantastic job. But
Speaker 1: like why you think he's why he's good is because
Speaker 1: he's putting in the work. He knows, he's doing the
Speaker 1: research on the players, he's keeping up on like what's
Speaker 1: going on, right, And that's that's a lot of work
Speaker 1: to do, right It's not just showing up and and
Speaker 1: reacting to golf shots on TV. It is it is
Speaker 1: being so integrated and involved in the sport, right Well.
Speaker 2: I mean, like Andy just like to let people behind.
Speaker 2: Kind of the the you know, the window for a
Speaker 2: moment is when you're doing a broadcast, you're getting research
Speaker 2: information sent to you pretty consistently, you know. I mean
Speaker 2: you're getting like news clips email to you in like
Speaker 2: a downloadable PDF or whatever you're probably gonna get, you know,
Speaker 2: like say at the Canadian Open or something. You might
Speaker 2: get twenty articles, you know, three weeks out, twenty five articles,
Speaker 2: two weeks out, you know, twenty five thirty articles a
Speaker 2: week of. You're getting a lot of information sent It's
Speaker 2: on you to read the information, right, I mean, that's
Speaker 2: your job in a sense. But if you know the sport,
Speaker 2: you cover, the sport, you follow the sport, a lot
Speaker 2: of it is the stuff you already know, so it's
Speaker 2: very easy, I'll say, to not want to read it.
Speaker 2: But in the information that you're getting sent, there's a
Speaker 2: quote here or a nugget there that and I will.
Speaker 2: I can, because I've done these jobs before. When I'm
Speaker 2: watching a broadcast, I can. I could almost guarantee you
Speaker 2: that ninety five percent of the time, I could tell
Speaker 2: you if it's a nugget that's in the person's brain
Speaker 2: or if it's something handed to them you know, if
Speaker 2: it's card handed to them and you can almost tell, like,
Speaker 2: are you listening to them to the No Lane Up
Speaker 2: podcast that they're doing with x Y and Z player right,
Speaker 2: are you paying attention? Are you listening to for play
Speaker 2: when they're interviewing or they're doing a golf segment with
Speaker 2: Sam Byrd's, you know, to get something from that that
Speaker 2: you might not get from an everyday article, Like you've
Speaker 2: got to want to do it. And I think the
Speaker 2: guys that are the best are the best because they
Speaker 2: obviously are very smart and very talented, but it's almost
Speaker 2: like they really want to do the work. And I
Speaker 2: feel like nance has just been doing this for whatever
Speaker 2: thirty something years and still wants to wants to listen
Speaker 2: and read, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I had I I don't. Something I thought that
Speaker 1: crossed my mind today while I was prepping for this
Speaker 1: is that I find it a bit crazy that it's
Speaker 1: January and we and we don't know who our other
Speaker 1: golf color analyst is obviously singers out. We just we
Speaker 1: got Kevin because they're stepping in for two events. From me,
Speaker 1: sim that's very interesting, but there's no what's what's going on?
Speaker 2: I mean, I always you, and I love to compare
Speaker 2: stuff to other sports, but I just laugh at like
Speaker 2: if if the if the Money Night football analyst chair
Speaker 2: was empty, and.
Speaker 1: It's the weekend, it's the week of it's.
Speaker 2: The week of the season, Like, who's gonna be It's
Speaker 2: like the Mass Singer. Maybe it's Mass Singer Golf edition.
Speaker 2: You never know.
Speaker 1: That was something that like, just while I was thinking
Speaker 1: about this next year, I kind of like irrationally got
Speaker 1: upset about was like, wait, how do how do we not?
Speaker 1: Like I think like I don't want to put you
Speaker 1: in a spot. So this is all my thoughts. You
Speaker 1: do not have to comment, but like I think, like
Speaker 1: what's happened with NBC Golf Channel over the last like
Speaker 1: couple years has been kind of like they have really
Speaker 1: kind of given the fans the middle finger, And this
Speaker 1: is just the latest in this whole kind of oddest
Speaker 1: see of of NBC and and what the last you know,
Speaker 1: basically since Johnny Miller left has been kind of it's
Speaker 1: felt like a decline here and it's like we're now
Speaker 1: it's January second as we're recording this, and we have
Speaker 1: no clue who our golf analyst is. For half the
Speaker 1: half the event. What they have two of the four
Speaker 1: majors and uh and we don't know who's gonna be
Speaker 1: calling calling the main main analyst in the broadcast booth, right.
Speaker 2: Andy, It is interesting you you did speak on something
Speaker 2: earlier about about Adam Scott and Justin Rose. We were talking
Speaker 2: about that forty something golfer that had a great career
Speaker 2: for so long it could compete and win. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think about Marco Myra and ninety eight and you know,
Speaker 2: obviously was his whole his whole wife was revitalized because he,
Speaker 2: you know, lived close to this young stud that ended
Speaker 2: up being the best golfer of all time. I wonder,
Speaker 2: and I know Ogilvy's name has kind of been floated
Speaker 2: around a bit. I wonder if that's the space that's
Speaker 2: going to take this position, because forever it was like
Speaker 2: a fifty year old, a fifty two year old, a
Speaker 2: fifty five year old that got into that world on
Speaker 2: the back end of their playing career. They tried to
Speaker 2: play Champions Tour golf and they couldn't compete or they
Speaker 2: weren't interested in doing that, and so they got into TV.
Speaker 2: I'll be interested if that flip happens to late thirties
Speaker 2: early forty year old guys moving forward that it seems
Speaker 2: like it's happening a bit in terms of like digital
Speaker 2: broadcast and ESPN plus, PJA Tour live, those types of things.
Speaker 2: But I'm wondering if we will get the superstar level
Speaker 2: person that feels like, like, you know, Justin Rose could
Speaker 2: do that job tomorrow, right, So, like how much longer
Speaker 2: does Justin Rose want a battle Ludwig and ADDC and
Speaker 2: you know, the and the Cootie brothers. You know, on
Speaker 2: a week to week basis on the PGA Tour, you're
Speaker 2: gonna make more money playing golf, but maybe life's a
Speaker 2: little less stressful if you get to sit in the
Speaker 2: booth and chat about it and talk about it. Obviously
Speaker 2: knowing all these guys, I mean, it's just it feels
Speaker 2: like it's a little bit of a transition period in
Speaker 2: terms of what golf and TV is going to look
Speaker 2: like kind of moving forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's also like this aspect of you know,
Speaker 1: the money, right, the amount of money that these guys
Speaker 1: have made is just so much different. I mean, you
Speaker 1: get somebody like Johnny Miller because they didn't make like
Speaker 1: retire like you know, totally live lavishly, like however you
Speaker 1: want to live money. When they played professional golf, they've
Speaker 1: made a lot of money. I'm not trying to discount
Speaker 1: that they you know, but there there was a certain
Speaker 1: need to work to maintain a certain level of lifestyle.
Speaker 1: And it's like now these guys, it's like I was
Speaker 1: just looking at scrolling around here at like the most.
Speaker 2: Just what's justin Roe's like career money. I mean it's
Speaker 2: got to be like fifty oh my god, sixty million.
Speaker 2: I mean just on the PGA tour.
Speaker 1: That's you know, the the career moneyless is probably the
Speaker 1: place to go for this. But but yeah, the uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like that's an aspect of this and and
Speaker 1: maybe you know, it's always been this major, this all
Speaker 1: time great, like you think about fal Though, you think
Speaker 1: about Johnny Miller, you know, is the shift now, like
Speaker 1: is it going to become okay if somebody didn't win
Speaker 1: a major, if they weren't a perennial top ten player. Now,
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, that might push the level of of
Speaker 1: broadcasting up because it's gonna be somebody that's that wants
Speaker 1: to do the work right to well.
Speaker 2: I mean, like like Andy, who's been who's been the
Speaker 2: most popular, hottest topic person in sports broadcasting in the
Speaker 2: last five years? Like, what's the name that comes to mind,
Speaker 2: Romo Romo. I mean it's Tony Romo for sure. Right,
Speaker 2: Tony Romo is not a career NFL quarterback, Hall of Famer,
Speaker 2: super Bowl winner, any of that. Right, Tony Romo can
Speaker 2: talk ball. He knows ball. He's sat there and he's
Speaker 2: played ball. We've seen him do extraordinary things on the
Speaker 2: football field. We've also seen him do not great things
Speaker 2: on the football field, especially in big moments. I mean,
Speaker 2: Tony Romo, in theory, should have broken this mold already.
Speaker 2: I mean should have said, well, Romo can do it
Speaker 2: in football, Like I mean, think.
Speaker 1: About how great Greg Olsen's been. Greg Olsen is, you know.
Speaker 2: Olsen's great. Colt Nost is great. Smiley's been extremely interesting
Speaker 2: to listen to. Like these are not guys that were
Speaker 2: winning major championships, you know. I mean Colt Nost won
Speaker 2: an ameterur, which I think is an incredible thing to
Speaker 2: have on your resume. Right, But Colt's great on course
Speaker 2: because he knows the players. He's well spoken, he's funny,
Speaker 2: he's entertaining.
Speaker 1: He does the work.
Speaker 2: He does the work. He does the work. Smiley's great
Speaker 2: in his position because these guys he's talking about are
Speaker 2: his buddies. If he has a question to ask Jordan Speeds,
Speaker 2: you know what he can do. He can text Jordan
Speaker 2: Speed the question and they can relay that. Now that's
Speaker 2: not the only skill set needed in that position, but
Speaker 2: it's very important to have. And I would not be
Speaker 2: surprised if you continue to see Smiley move up and
Speaker 2: the ranks because of the unique place he's in in
Speaker 2: the game right now. He's young, he's well spoken, he's
Speaker 2: good at his job, and more importantly than all that stuff,
Speaker 2: he knows all the guys because he played against him.
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna rattle some names off just so
Speaker 1: you know. Rose made sixty two million so far. And
Speaker 1: is that just PJA Tour, just PGA tour, So.
Speaker 2: He's probably made forty million on the on the.
Speaker 1: Euro maybe not forty, probably twenty, probably fifteen, I would guess.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if that's a website. By the way,
Speaker 2: is the World to officially?
Speaker 1: I think it's still europeantour dot com. Yeah it is,
Speaker 1: it is, so here I just throw some names at
Speaker 1: you and you tell me if you're excited about any lea.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I just want to let let
Speaker 2: everybody know this. This is not a knock on who
Speaker 2: you are.
Speaker 1: This is just us.
Speaker 2: We are we fired up to hear you. Are we excited?
Speaker 2: Oh by the way, Roses made thirty million on the
Speaker 2: DP World Tour.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there you go, Zach Johnson. I know. I
Speaker 2: mean again, this is not a knock on who you are.
Speaker 2: This isn't anything like that. It's just simply this is
Speaker 2: a hard job. I mean it's one person. Two people
Speaker 2: in the world do this job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, first, you have to occupy air for six hours.
Speaker 1: It's not an easy position. DL three we already tried.
Speaker 1: Let's see ste Sink. I love ste Sink, but I
Speaker 1: don't know if he'd he might be okay.
Speaker 2: Actually I'm I'm like like, I'm like a maybe. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think he could be good. Just again, is he gonna?
Speaker 2: My My question to these guys I always ask is
Speaker 2: are you willing to be critical? Which it takes a
Speaker 2: little bit of time for these guys to get to
Speaker 2: that position.
Speaker 1: Uh, David Thoms, I.
Speaker 2: Just again, I just don't think it's a position for him.
Speaker 1: No, brand Snetiker, don't.
Speaker 2: Think it's a position for him.
Speaker 1: Um Luke Donald, I think he's great. I don't thin
Speaker 1: I think it's a position for him.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm I'm a maybe on Luke. I'm a maybe on.
Speaker 1: Luke all right? Or Sabatini. You think they're gonna let
Speaker 1: him in the booth?
Speaker 2: I would say this could could potentially be awesome, could
Speaker 2: be awful, don't know. Don't think there's a I don't
Speaker 2: think he's a five out of ten. I think he's
Speaker 2: either a ten out of ten throwing heaters like Johnny,
Speaker 2: or he's got two days of the job.
Speaker 1: I'm on the career money list. Now we've entered the
Speaker 1: Ryan Moore, Ryan Palmer, Charlie Hoffman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that. But that's the problem and Andy, like
Speaker 2: that's what you said, is is the this is the
Speaker 2: group you're gonna probably have to pick from because Phil's
Speaker 2: not doing the job, like like like Jordan Spieth.
Speaker 1: At home, Hunter Mayhan might be it.
Speaker 2: Might be the guy. Maybe that's the guy.
Speaker 1: Honestly, Hunter Mayhon might be.
Speaker 2: Let's see, he's really good on TV. He's been really
Speaker 2: I've really enjoyed listening to him when he's done TV.
Speaker 2: He's forty one years old.
Speaker 1: He was a top five player, top.
Speaker 2: Five player, played on Ryder Cups, contended top ten and
Speaker 2: every major he played in at some point in his career,
Speaker 2: won some big events, was an excellent and no, and again,
Speaker 2: like knows, the problem is all the guys he knows.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying he's not friends with young guys,
Speaker 2: but all the guys he knows are probably in that
Speaker 2: group that he would in theory be competing against, right, Like,
Speaker 2: that's the hard part of this is you've got to
Speaker 2: be able to connect with a twenty two year old
Speaker 2: guy that's playing tour golf, which in which means you've
Speaker 2: got to care to try to connect with him, which
Speaker 2: I think, again to your point about what we started
Speaker 2: with Trevor, Trevor is so good at that. Like, Trevor
Speaker 2: goes out of his way to approach young players and
Speaker 2: talk to young players and one time to no, I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to your best buddy.
Speaker 1: But the President's the President's Cup Captain is a big
Speaker 1: part of that too, I have to imagine, right, because
Speaker 1: it forced him to be out there by the way.
Speaker 2: If we somehow deviated from talking about what we're excited
Speaker 2: about in twenty twenty four to who's going to be
Speaker 2: the next great broadcaster. But I actually I'll say this, Andy,
Speaker 2: I think it's a great thing to bring up, because,
Speaker 2: like you said this week in theory, we don't necessarily
Speaker 2: know who do we know who's sitting there? Is is
Speaker 2: doing this week?
Speaker 1: Kisner could be amazing, just amazing. I used that president
Speaker 1: president Who's cup team like three years ago?
Speaker 2: And Andy's not gonna get the job. You have a
Speaker 2: coughing fit in the booth.
Speaker 1: But you know the joys of having young kids.
Speaker 2: I trust me. I know my daughter into my mouth yesterday,
Speaker 2: directly into my mouth as she sat in my laugh
Speaker 2: and then she was like, gave me the sweetest look,
Speaker 2: and you're like, I don't know what am I supposed
Speaker 2: to do here?
Speaker 1: That's the the worst since when they cough and you
Speaker 1: literally feel the cough go into your mouth. Yeah, that's exact.
Speaker 2: There you go, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now it's my question, I guess would be you looked
Speaker 2: at career money. I guess another way I look at
Speaker 2: this and I might do a little dig in tonight.
Speaker 2: Is is there like a group of like Smiley where
Speaker 2: they're young and it just didn't work out, like the
Speaker 2: game maybe didn't work out. And is there is there
Speaker 2: anybody in that world that you feel like could be
Speaker 2: excellent at this position, because again, it feels like it's
Speaker 2: probably the way to go is to try to find
Speaker 2: somebody very young and very talented. It's just way easier
Speaker 2: said than done.
Speaker 1: I think the other crazy thing about the situation here
Speaker 1: and this is this is NBC Golf Channel Zone doing.
Speaker 1: They had nobody in the pipeline, right, like Smiley's like
Speaker 1: the one, but it's like Smiley's been doing this for
Speaker 1: two years and I don't, like, I just don't think
Speaker 1: like that you can go from where he is now
Speaker 1: to being the lead chair right away, but like in
Speaker 1: maybe five years, ten years, five years from now he
Speaker 1: might be ready for that, right But like the fact
Speaker 1: that they didn't have anybody else that was even like,
Speaker 1: you know, we got somebody that's recalled golf going into
Speaker 1: the booth for the first two terminus of the year,
Speaker 1: and I think Kissner's going to be really good at it,
Speaker 1: but like is he going to be so is he
Speaker 1: done playing? Like that would be my question like, but
Speaker 1: he fits the he fits the vein of what's probably
Speaker 1: realistic of career achievements at this point that would want
Speaker 1: to do the booth job that like versus, you're not
Speaker 1: getting the Nick Faldo of this year. You're not Brooks.
Speaker 1: Koepka isn't going into the booth.
Speaker 2: Right Jordan justin Max, these guys aren't. I mean unless
Speaker 2: they really want to do it.
Speaker 1: Max could do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again Andy, like, like you're gonna go to
Speaker 2: Max home and go, hey, you want to do this job.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have made it like ten fifteen years.
Speaker 2: I mean maybe, but I just like, you're gonna make
Speaker 2: a fiftieth or a twentieth of what you made as
Speaker 2: a player, and yet you're gonna have to travel the
Speaker 2: same amount. You're gonna stay in worse places. You know.
Speaker 2: It's like, I think it's a great and it's an
Speaker 2: awesome idea that one of these guys would be excellent
Speaker 2: of the job, But in reality, once they see the
Speaker 2: week to week grind, how much work they got to
Speaker 2: put in, how it's not as easy as everybody thinks
Speaker 2: it is, how much travels involved, how they've got to
Speaker 2: get there on a Tuesday for a Thursday golf tournament,
Speaker 2: you know, in flyout Sunday night, or whatever the case
Speaker 2: may be. I think you were right when you said
Speaker 2: it's unrealistic to assume that Nick Faldo or Johnny Miller
Speaker 2: two point zero is ever gonna exist again in golf
Speaker 2: space in terms of broadcasting, because if we've learned anything
Speaker 2: it's that we're cutting money away from this stuff versus
Speaker 2: putting more money into it. And you're gonna go to,
Speaker 2: you know, one of these twenty eight thirty thirty two
Speaker 2: year old guys that are making twenty million a year, go,
Speaker 2: we'll pay you a million a year to do this job.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're gonna be like, we'll make I
Speaker 2: make a million a year, just leave my money in
Speaker 2: the bank, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Wait, we've devolved here.
Speaker 2: I actually I thought it was listening. I thought it
Speaker 2: was a great I thought it was a great conversation
Speaker 2: to have. And I think it is important because I'm
Speaker 2: sure golf fans are thinking, at least something similar to
Speaker 2: what you brought up is this is an important position,
Speaker 2: especially early in the season when you've got these monumental
Speaker 2: golf tournaments that are going to take over Sports TV
Speaker 2: when football ends and the playoffs go away, and you've
Speaker 2: kind of got RIV floating around, and you've got these
Speaker 2: great tournaments. I know Riv's a CBS property, but you
Speaker 2: know you've got these great golf tournaments. And maybe it'll
Speaker 2: be Kissner. And if it is, I mean, I hope
Speaker 2: he's who he is, you know, away from the mic,
Speaker 2: because Kevin Kisner's extremely entertaining, he's a great listen and
Speaker 2: he's somebody I think that could crush the job if
Speaker 2: he wants to do.
Speaker 1: It, all right. Other predictions.
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna get some shake up in a
Speaker 2: Grand Slam world. I think the Grand Slam world has
Speaker 2: been saging it for a long long time. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that we're going to have somebody complete the Grand Slam.
Speaker 1: Somebody's got to do it eventually, Dude.
Speaker 2: It's been twenty four years since somebody joined the team.
Speaker 2: How crazy is that? Two thousand when Tiger won in St.
Speaker 2: Andrews it was his last leg. Twenty four years A
Speaker 2: long time take all right, So so.
Speaker 1: You've got it. If you had to bet on on
Speaker 1: Jordan or Rory or other.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take Here's Who's Here's who I'm taking right now.
Speaker 2: This is who I wrote down. I think that Morikawa
Speaker 2: is the likeliest candidate to take the step closer to
Speaker 2: the Grand Slam. You well, I mean, you know you've
Speaker 2: got so you've got, You've got three big guys that
Speaker 2: need another major to be one away, and I just
Speaker 2: feel like it's going to be a huge I think
Speaker 2: Morico is going to be Player of the Year. I
Speaker 2: think he's gonna win a lot this year. I'm big
Speaker 2: on Colin in twenty twenty four, and I just feel
Speaker 2: like he will tick off one of the two he
Speaker 2: needs to get within one and then obviously you've got
Speaker 2: Rory and Speeth and Phil that are floating around that
Speaker 2: need one left. But I just feel like that will
Speaker 2: We'll see a little bit of shake up by years
Speaker 2: in either it's Brooks at Augusta, or it's more a Cow
Speaker 2: winning one of the two he needs, or to your point,
Speaker 2: it's rom doing much of the same either at the
Speaker 2: PGA or the Open. So yeah, I just feel like
Speaker 2: we're gonna get some shake up there, and maybe somebody
Speaker 2: adds themselves to the list of three or four, or
Speaker 2: maybe we get somebody that finally ticks off, you know
Speaker 2: that final one they need.
Speaker 1: This might be Phil's last US Open chance.
Speaker 2: So he won the PGA in twenty one.
Speaker 1: I'm saying just from like a course fit, right, I
Speaker 1: guess you get you could always count him in at Pebble,
Speaker 1: but like Pinehurst number two would be a course that's like,
Speaker 1: you're not your typical US Open course, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a good point. Yeah. I mean like
Speaker 2: like can do all of this stuff. He does well
Speaker 2: around the greens.
Speaker 1: Right, mm hmm. So I don't know, it'll be a
Speaker 1: course that a lot of people miss greens. It'll be
Speaker 1: a huge premium on approach play. One of the things
Speaker 1: with with Piners number two is like you could drive
Speaker 1: it a little crooked and get away with it because
Speaker 1: you get those waste areas, you get some good aches
Speaker 1: and you know.
Speaker 2: Phil, by the way, Phil Phil camp Smith is battling
Speaker 2: it at Pineher's number two. I think anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Lots of people love camp Smith for this Pineers number two.
Speaker 1: I need to see I need to see a readddication,
Speaker 1: need read a dedication to golf for Campsmith. I saw
Speaker 1: some I saw some some of the some of the
Speaker 1: footage from the Australian Open, and that swing is like, wait,
Speaker 1: does this guy just give a not doing fitness anymore? Dude?
Speaker 2: Andy, you know how hard it would be if somebody
Speaker 2: paid you up front one hundred million dollars and it
Speaker 2: didn't matter what you did to here, like it would
Speaker 2: take would I would.
Speaker 1: Well, you have to be insanely competitive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could easily pack on twenty LB's like right
Speaker 2: out of the gate if that was the case, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you wanted to just be lazy, it
Speaker 2: would be very easy to be lazy.
Speaker 1: I think it'd be easy to put on twenty LB's
Speaker 1: if somebody was paying you one hundred million dollars to
Speaker 1: be in shape.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, for sure, Zion. It's a good example.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's but let's let's focus on the fitness.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm with you, a right, that was I
Speaker 2: think that was my second to last.
Speaker 1: One I got. I got so Like. One of the
Speaker 1: things that I always look at is that players the
Speaker 1: fallout of the top ten. This is basically every year,
Speaker 1: every year, two to four fallout and and this year
Speaker 1: I think there's obvious contenders for falling out. So if
Speaker 1: you go to the oh wgrs jacked up to like.
Speaker 2: It's so hard to follow.
Speaker 1: Now, Well, I just don't think Wyndham and Brian Harmon
Speaker 1: should necessarily be in the in the top ten. I
Speaker 1: think Brooks should be in there, and and probably cam
Speaker 1: Smith maybe in tenth, I don't know, h maybe, but
Speaker 1: but anyways, you know, who are they gonna be the
Speaker 1: guys that fall out?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And I think everybody's going to point to like Brian
Speaker 1: Harmon and Wyndham Clark. I don't think Wyndham Clark's going
Speaker 1: to fall out of the town ten. I kind of
Speaker 1: think he's going to be one that sticks around. But
Speaker 1: that means like fits Matty fitz Homa, Xander can't lay
Speaker 1: one of those guys. At least one more of those
Speaker 1: guys is falling out. Yep, probably three or four guys
Speaker 1: will fall out. So it's like, who's going to fall out? Like,
Speaker 1: I just think it's always a fascinating question.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean rom falls out right in theory, I don't.
Speaker 1: Think he's going to he's three even he won't he's
Speaker 1: got so many he's got so many points, okay, right,
Speaker 1: he's he's over one hundred points ahead of fifth.
Speaker 2: I just want to tell you that that you you
Speaker 2: could have set a hundred points above, mean five huts above,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have known the difference. Yeah, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: know what. I don't know what it is?
Speaker 1: Like a cup point?
Speaker 2: What do you get? What do you get if you win? Like?
Speaker 2: What is what do you get if you win on
Speaker 2: the ows R? Do you know?
Speaker 1: No? I don't know. I don't know. So I mean
Speaker 1: like it, do you think fits is gonna fall out
Speaker 1: of the top ten?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think he's gonna have a good year.
Speaker 1: I don't know Markwi. So like you, you're big on
Speaker 1: markw He's coming in right top ten, so it's like
Speaker 1: he's playing his way in. I don't know.
Speaker 2: So all right, three of my last preditions at you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, you're gonna like this one. I think we've
Speaker 2: spent how long have we gone here our tour? Hour?
Speaker 2: Nine minutes? I don't think, man, we have Sorry, I
Speaker 2: take the back. We have mentioned his name one Tiger Woods.
Speaker 2: Not sure if you saw much in December on Tiger Andy.
Speaker 2: A few counts posted some stuff on social media. Not
Speaker 2: a lot. I didn't see a lot, but there was
Speaker 2: a little bit here and there, twenty twenty four President's
Speaker 2: Cup Tiger Woods on the team. That's my prediction. Wow,
Speaker 2: on the team, twenty twenty four president Cup Tiger Woods
Speaker 2: is one of the twelve.
Speaker 1: That's a good that's a good prediction. I got Scotty
Speaker 1: Scheffler winning a second major. I don't think we really
Speaker 1: need to talk about it.
Speaker 2: I think the can you tell me, can you rank,
Speaker 2: give me power ranking one to four on what you
Speaker 2: think most likely the least likely of that prediction.
Speaker 1: You're saying, like, how how good I feel about Skotty Scheffler?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. Just if you said he's gonna win
Speaker 2: a major of the of the four majors, what's the
Speaker 2: most likely wins in your opinion? What's the least likely wins?
Speaker 1: When Masters? Most likely he's already done it. And you know,
Speaker 1: I just think his short game ball striking can get
Speaker 1: him to a position where if he can totally put
Speaker 1: bad and win, right.
Speaker 2: I think that's the I think that's the obvious number one.
Speaker 2: You got to go Masters, Yep.
Speaker 1: I think it. I think it goes Masters, US Open, PGA,
Speaker 1: and then Open.
Speaker 2: Okay, I would have probably flipped open in PGA, but similar,
Speaker 2: similar idea, especially with Pine Nurse. I think, Scotty, we'll
Speaker 2: have a lot of fun at Pine Nurse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's how I would I would do it.
Speaker 1: But I think the beard, the beard's here to stay.
Speaker 1: Do you see that way?
Speaker 2: Do you think he's Jimmy Kimmel Allstars? You think he's
Speaker 2: going with it? Huh?
Speaker 1: I think so. I think he showed up to whatever
Speaker 1: hero with the scruff. I think he got good feedback
Speaker 1: and he's gone all in.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean he does. Let's be honest, he looks
Speaker 2: way he looks way better. I mean he looks more handsome.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's not like better, It's
Speaker 2: just he looks a little bit older. Dude. I'll say this.
Speaker 2: In my twenties, when I realized what facial hair did
Speaker 2: for my face, it was on all the time. Now
Speaker 2: in my forties, it's gray right here. So I'm the
Speaker 2: other way. Now I'm shaving way more than not.
Speaker 1: I uh, you know I'm not allowed to shave. My
Speaker 1: wife like doesn't let me.
Speaker 2: Really, when's the last time you were totally clean shaven.
Speaker 1: I had a mishap with a new trimmer. Oh, I
Speaker 1: hope it wasn't I had to go. I had to go. No, No,
Speaker 1: I had to go all the way down.
Speaker 2: So you don't. But you don't go all the way down.
Speaker 2: Ever you leave it, you leave it up most of
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: Interesting all the time, all the time. Like when I trim,
Speaker 1: it's like two and a half.
Speaker 2: Okay, see, because I remember I asked my wife one time,
Speaker 2: I said beard, no beard, and she said, I do
Speaker 2: not care. And I was like, all right, well there
Speaker 2: you go. I can I'll make the decision. Does doesn't
Speaker 2: like the stash, But other than that, she's good to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Well, hey, Shane, good having you on.
Speaker 2: Do you want to go back to stretching talk? Are
Speaker 2: you good?
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. Any NBA thoughts on the way out?
Speaker 1: How about the thunder.
Speaker 2: It's it's been, without a doubt, the most fun regular
Speaker 2: season NBA that I can remember since I've been an adult.
Speaker 2: It's it's awesome, It's there's it feels like there's a
Speaker 2: new it feels like this is kind of the flippy.
Speaker 2: Remember the Lee Westwood, Martin Kaimer Luke Donald run where
Speaker 2: they were kind of battling with world number one, and
Speaker 2: it was this weird time in golf. It was like
Speaker 2: post Tiger and Phil but before Rory and Speed. It
Speaker 2: feels like we have and not to say that the
Speaker 2: past was bad, but it feels like we're moving into
Speaker 2: like the Rory Spith world of the NBA where this
Speaker 2: kind of new crop, you know, the Timberwolves, the the
Speaker 2: Thunder like this new group are gonna be relatively dominant
Speaker 2: over the next you know, a few years, and that
Speaker 2: includes Dallas and obviously what we've seen with Denver. But
Speaker 2: it feels like it's it's a switch in terms of
Speaker 2: the old garden the new garden.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much talent in the NBA so
Speaker 1: just insane.
Speaker 2: It's so easy to turn on every night. It's just
Speaker 2: the best is a weird NFL year. So with that
Speaker 2: weird NFL, you're to have this great NBA on his
Speaker 2: bit Chef's kiss.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, Shane, Well, we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, and uh yeah, good luck with
Speaker 1: your start of the year. Thanks body, all right, thanks
Speaker 1: for listening to another edition the Frida Egg Golf Podcast.
Speaker 1: Big thanks to meg Atkins, she produced and edited this podcast.
Speaker 1: Jumping back in you know, it's like riding a bike. Meg. Meg.
Speaker 1: Meg's back on the Pod production while Matt is on vacation.
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Speaker 1: I think Garrett's cooking up another Greatest Courses episode, so
Speaker 1: that should be coming next week as well. I'll be
Speaker 1: on the pod again next week too, Thanks guys, and
Speaker 1: I hope everybody gets off to great start of the year.