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Speaker 1: Being a creative and being a business owner. The business

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Speaker 1: especially when you're doing something that you're like truly passionate about,

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Speaker 1: but creating these healthy boundaries. Like now, I literally operate

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Speaker 1: my business as like a nine to five. We all

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Speaker 1: know that after five, this is the time for us

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of butter Nomics. I'm

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Speaker 2: your host, Brandon Butler, founder CEO of Butter atl and

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Speaker 2: today we have an amazing person in studio with us.

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Speaker 2: And I will say this first of all, this is

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Speaker 2: our best smelling guest ever. Well, this is our best

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Speaker 2: smelling guest to this day. Y'all gotta step y'all game up.

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Speaker 2: But one and only Marina Scott. Marina, how you doing today?

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Speaker 1: I am wonderful. Thank you for having me. How are you?

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Speaker 2: Man? If I was any better, I'd be okay great.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't know what was going to be the end

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Speaker 1: of that, and I was about to say amen, like yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then I had to think about it, and it

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Speaker 1: was even better than I thought it was gonna be

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Speaker 1: so great.

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Speaker 2: So you look at that great energy, great energy. So look,

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Speaker 2: if everybody knows, everybody should know. You know, we have

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Speaker 2: the one and only mood magician herself in the building.

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Speaker 2: She's done amazing work all over the place. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: now ya. A lot of y'all probably know from the

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Speaker 2: Trap Music Museum, but there's a lot more stuff that's

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Speaker 2: happened since that. But just for those who don't know,

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Speaker 2: give them a quick rundown of like your resume.

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Speaker 1: Man, I hate doing this.

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Speaker 2: It's a quick one. Well, I got some more stuff

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Speaker 2: like who I've worked with, just you know, the fun stuff,

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Speaker 2: the fun stuff. I got some good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So to make it very short, as short as possible.

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Speaker 1: I am a set designer. Well, I own a set

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Speaker 1: design and creative direction agency. I built sets for music videos, photoshoots,

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Speaker 1: TV shows, et cetera, world tours. I was a set

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Speaker 1: designer for the Chot Music Museum. I have worked with

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Speaker 1: High Museum, Janelle Monnet and Airbnb and a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: I essentially have created a business around being a creative.

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Speaker 2: That's the best way to do. I hope that's the

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Speaker 1: It's what we're doing, so hopefully it's good.

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Speaker 2: What's swirling around that head of yours, like, how do

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Speaker 2: you how do you come up with these ideas?

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, my brain kind of never shuts off,

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Speaker 1: and I think I seek creativity from every part of life.

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Speaker 1: You know, I can look in this room and see

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Speaker 1: all of the different hues of gray and think that,

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Speaker 1: for a photo shoot. What if I did a shoot

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Speaker 1: the world, but also a lot of times the creativity

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Speaker 2: See, I know you're creat You're better than me. Let

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Speaker 2: when I when I meet people that can you know,

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Speaker 2: I just see these walls and I get stressed out.

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Speaker 1: See, but no, you're smart, you are. You've already pinpointed

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Speaker 1: the things that you do like to do and what

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Speaker 2: Now, what were some things you didn't like to do?

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Speaker 1: This didn't like to do from my business perspective.

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Speaker 2: What's what's been the worst job you've ever had?

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Speaker 1: The worst? I mean, honestly, I've been a creative most

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Speaker 2: See the reason why I actually is because it takes

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that I had a similar experience. I remember,

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Speaker 2: I was a whole nerd. It was cool though they

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Speaker 2: His response was, I'm getting the hell out of here too,

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Speaker 2: it was terrible. No, because it literally took me everything

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Speaker 1: into as of twenty twenty five, I'm moving into a

436
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Speaker 1: more immersive art like artist space as well. So I've

437
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,360
Speaker 1: been going to a lot of like these immersive spaces

438
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,920
Speaker 1: like you know, Miao Wolf and Colorado, and it's really

439
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 1: cool to see how people's brains work and how they

440
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,960
Speaker 1: can create a space to look like something else. And

441
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,159
Speaker 1: I want to bring that to Atlanta.

442
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 2: So Yeah, there's a big one out in Las Vegas.

443
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 2: It's called Area fifty one. Have you been to that one?

444
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:49,920
Speaker 1: I have not been to that one yet, but I've

445
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,920
Speaker 1: heard wonderful things about it. I have not been. You've been.

446
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 2: I've been like twice.

447
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 1: Okay, So the first time you went, what was the

448
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 1: first thing that you thought when you walked in?

449
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 2: So when you walk in, it's crazy because like the

450
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 2: space is designed. I always say, it's like you're going

451
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,640
Speaker 2: to an Illuminati meeting. Not that I've been to many

452
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,919
Speaker 2: Illuminati meetings. But if I was going to one, I

453
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 2: guess this is what it looks like hypothetically, and you

454
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 2: walk in, like in the kind there's this open space.

455
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 2: In the beginning, they have this like this big huge

456
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,680
Speaker 2: tree and it's like all these lights and stuff and

457
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a bar underneath it. And then they

458
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 2: have all these different experiences. It's like two levels. Okay,

459
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,199
Speaker 2: they have like different experiences where one is you go

460
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 2: in and it's like all these mirrors and music and

461
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 2: kind of in there's kind of trippy. There's another one

462
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 2: where the Blue Man Group people kind of designed it.

463
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 2: It's like you kind of like walk into like different

464
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 2: rooms and it's just like a window you look through

465
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 2: and it's all like don't like mirrors and movement and

466
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 2: there's music. But then the crazy one everybody talks about

467
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 2: it is called Mega Mart. Okay, so Mega Mart is

468
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 2: this humongous grocery store and they have all these crazy

469
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 2: products in it, Like they'll have like I don't know,

470
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,639
Speaker 2: these oversized sticks of butter but it's like alien butter.

471
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 2: Or they'll have like you know, these like boxes of cereal,

472
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,199
Speaker 2: and like all this stuff has like weird names. And

473
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Speaker 2: all this stuff. But then they have these little hidden doorways.

474
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 2: If you walk through these hidden doors, there's like a

475
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 2: whole alien spaceship that it's like built on the back

476
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: of it. And so you'll like walk through this door.

477
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 2: Like they'll have a door like where the meat section is,

478
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 2: and like even on the meat thing, it's like they'll

479
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 2: have like turkeys with tattoos on them, like every single thing.

480
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: The details is very trippy.

481
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 2: And then you'll like walk through this little they have

482
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: like these little like back doors and like little things

483
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 2: you can like crawl through, and all of a sudden

484
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 2: you're like, now, like in like an alien spaceship.

485
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Speaker 1: Wait, is this is this a it's area fifty one. Okay,

486
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that they were connected.

487
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 2: They're connected, that makes sense. So if you actually got

488
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Speaker 2: to go check that out here in Vegas. I've been twice.

489
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 2: It's one hundred worth it, and I think, you know again,

490
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Speaker 2: I would love to see something. As I was. I

491
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 2: was just talking to somebody the other week about you know,

492
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you're familiar with Damsel that was

493
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 2: out here, yes, but you know, Damsels closing right, and

494
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 2: we were talking about Atlanta needs more of those times

495
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 2: experiences and concepts because you know, again, we got plenty

496
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 2: of grass walls out here, y'all.

497
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: Literally we need any on some we need something.

498
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 2: Else to do, right, And like Atlanta needs more of

499
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 2: those kinds of spaces where there's immersive, there's entertainment, there's

500
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: things to do again beyond just the minimum.

501
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was talking to my friend about this recently,

502
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 1: who he's in the nightlife space, and also like Atlanta

503
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: nightlife is non existent right now, and it's it's really

504
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: like it's like a thing. So yeah, I absolutely agree,

505
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: And that's why I was so sad when I found

506
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: that Danville is closing because they've only been open a

507
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: couple of months, it's only been like less than a year.

508
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 1: But the concept was like perfect, and Atlanta eats that

509
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 1: type of experience up. So I hope that either they

510
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: can figure it out and reopen or another concept like

511
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: that happens, because that it was really cool.

512
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Speaker 2: We need a motown one, Let'll tell you right now,

513
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 2: I'll be fire, Like we need a motown one.

514
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: That'll be fire.

515
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: I wonder what happened with them, Not to like digress

516
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 2: too much, but like I do wonder. I wonder if

517
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: it was a talent issue because I've been there once

518
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 2: or twice. It was really cool. Yeah, and it was

519
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 2: a good night out. It was something different than and

520
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: you know, you don't get many shows in Atlanta like that,

521
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 2: that part, you know, Yeah, got like Vegas, you can

522
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 2: go see different things. Yeah here in Atlanta again, like

523
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: all we get is you know, hookah and grass walls

524
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: and lamb shops.

525
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: I know, and we love all those things, but sometimes

526
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: sometimes we want something a little different.

527
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: No, No, let me ask you, So what's your process for,

528
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: you know, selecting the project, because I'm really interested understand, like,

529
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: how do you jump from set design to like tour design,

530
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 2: because that's a huge leap.

531
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It is actually in almost every way possible.

532
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: But in my mind, ultimately it comes down to the

533
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: vision because if you can think of a concept, then

534
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: everything else is just semantics. To me, the semantics are like, okay,

535
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: how do I scale this? So it's not just you know,

536
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: three dimensional and stationary. But I think if you have

537
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: the vision, you can make it into anything. Yeah, that's

538
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: how I believe. That's why I didn't believe forro And.

539
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: When you get projects like that, I mean, how do

540
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 2: you even put a value or price those kind of

541
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 2: things out? Again, I know it's all I know, it's

542
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 2: all a little you know, fudge here there, because it's

543
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: a multiple of lots of different things. But like, how

544
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: do you value creative work?

545
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: Hmm, that's a good question. How do I value creative work?

546
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 1: I think it really is it just depends on the

547
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: project and how I you know, come up with numbers. Well,

548
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: it's sometimes the project comes with a number, right, and

549
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 1: then I have to kind of work backwards, which I

550
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: actually prefer. I always ask, you know, like if they

551
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: don't tell me their budget initially, I always ask, you know,

552
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: do you have a ballpark? Because I just need to

553
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: know how big to dream because I can dream this

554
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: massive experience for you. And then you come back and

555
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: you're like, I have negative money, yeah, and I'm okay, well,

556
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: I got to figure out how to make this work right,

557
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: So I'd prefer them give me the number first, which

558
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: I feel like all artists are kind of in a

559
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: similar space so that I can figure out how to

560
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: create within their confines. But it really just depends on

561
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: the project.

562
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, again, I want creatives to hear

563
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: that because I deal with that a lot too, and

564
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 2: I tell people it's like, you know, I used to

565
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: do the same thing. Even in web development. I used

566
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: to feel like if people would give me a number,

567
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: it's almost like they felt like, oh, well, he's gonna

568
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 2: do it for a dollar, but he's going to make

569
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 2: the rest of this. Man. I'm like, no, like I

570
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,239
Speaker 2: need that number because to your point, like I can

571
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: dream very big, Yeah, but what I want to do

572
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 2: is figure out how to give you the maximum value

573
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,719
Speaker 2: exactly for your dollars. Is not that I can take

574
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: advantage of you, So like, yeah, please give me, give

575
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: me some give me some parameters to work within exactly

576
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: because I don't I don't know. What I don't want

577
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 2: to do is I don't want to come back with

578
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: some big, huge, grand idea that I think is going

579
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 2: to be amazing, and then you're like, oh, yeah, actually

580
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 2: I got fifty bucks.

581
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,719
Speaker 1: Right, right, and then we're both just wasting our time.

582
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: I always say, address the issue of money early in

583
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: upfront as much as possible.

584
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. It may be uncomfortable in the beginning,

585
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: but that's definitely one of the pieces of advice I

586
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: give to artists is like you know, don't be uncomfortable

587
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: with the concept of the budget. Yeah, ask these questions

588
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: because knowing what the budget is beforehand and will help

589
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: you not have as many headaches later on down the process.

590
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

591
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

592
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 2: Now, the beautiful thing about the human mind, I always say,

593
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: is like the power to manifest ideas into reality. Right,

594
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: So when you think about how things come to life,

595
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: you know, that's amazing. But at the same time, you

596
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 2: could have a toll too, right, Like, I know, mental

597
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: health is a big thing that you like to focus on.

598
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 2: So how do you kind of keep that balance of

599
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: pouring out buckets of creativity while also trying to kind

600
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 2: of maintain your own just again, your own mental health

601
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:28,479
Speaker 2: and all that.

602
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think creating like healthy boundaries like work life

603
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: balance boundaries, which has taken me so long to get

604
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: to this point. It's still like an ongoing thing. I

605
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: think being a creative and being a business owner. The

606
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: business owner part, it's like your brain doesn't really shut off,

607
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 1: especially when you're doing something that you're like truly passionate about.

608
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: But creating these healthy boundaries Like now, I literally operate

609
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: my business as like a nine to five, so I

610
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, I wake up, I prep myself before my

611
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: nine o'clock starting point, and then I work with my

612
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: team from the hours of nine to five, and then

613
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: we all know that after five, you know that this

614
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: is the time for us to just be humans and

615
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: not be a part of this business. And obviously there

616
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: we have I have worked with like events, and the

617
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: creative world sometimes doesn't care about that. So there are

618
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: times often when we need to discuss things off of

619
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 1: this timeframe. But I think just making sure that I

620
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: keep myself, I hold myself accountable to the boundaries that

621
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: I have. I try not to work as much on

622
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: the weekends unless I have an event during the weekend.

623
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: And then I'm also like a really big nature girl,

624
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: so I will go on hikes, go like rock climbing,

625
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: I will go just hang out with friends at the park.

626
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: Spending time outside really is therapeutic for me, and so

627
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: it helps kind of like realign myself and so I

628
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: I'll just go outside as well.

629
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we're in this always on world, and

630
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: I think that's been one of the hardest part for

631
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: a lot of people. Especially it's not even just doing

632
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: the work to your points, like running the business, because

633
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: there's so many things around just running a business. Yeah

634
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: that are even outside of like the actual work that

635
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: you're doing.

636
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, these both sides of your brain.

637
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it's like, you know, it's like you

638
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: start doing it like I didn't get in I didn't

639
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: get into it for this shit. I didn't get into

640
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: this to be sitting here and dealing with HR stuff

641
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: or be dealing with like people pay. So like that's

642
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 2: the part, right, So I say, it's like a leader,

643
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: you either have to accept that and figure out how

644
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: to do it or you find other people that can

645
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: do it for you. Absolutely, but free that up so

646
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: that you can again focus on the things you want

647
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: to focus on, because I'm a big believer in do

648
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: only the things that you can do.

649
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And even that part, like that is a process, right.

650
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: You don't start out being able to just delegate and

651
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: have people on your team automatically start out doing everything

652
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 1: on your own and then eventually growing into a space

653
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: where you can you know, you have the capabilities to

654
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: bring on other people to help you with these things

655
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: so you can take them off of your person snow plate.

656
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean all of that just takes time.

657
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: What do you think one of the biggest misconceptions about

658
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: what you do is, oh, my gosh, that it's easy.

659
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: I think, what what you kid?

660
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: Just a couple with this stuff.

661
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: I get so this is from a client perspective, And

662
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: just like I get d MS about people just thinking

663
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: that this is just a quick thing. Yeah, that I'm

664
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: dreaming and I wake up and the dream the vision

665
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: is right there, and then I can just snap my

666
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: fingers and everything is done. The whole project is made.

667
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: But there's just so much time and effort times, so

668
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: many different people that take part into creating a project.

669
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: So I think the most common misconception is that like

670
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: that this is it's an easy and easy profession. It

671
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: is absolutely not, or that you know that because I

672
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: have a team, I'm able to just sit down with

673
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: my feet up and just have them and they just

674
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: do all the things. But no, like I'm in there

675
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: in the trenches drilling holes, building things with my team

676
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: because that's just the type of person that I am.

677
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: And also, having started with no team, I now am

678
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: so super involved that I'm also a part of all

679
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: different aspects of the creative process for a project.

680
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're working on projects, do you do you

681
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: typically do like more than one project at a time,

682
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: because one thing that I've kind of noticed too is,

683
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: especially the bigger the project is kind of like it

684
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: takes a lot out of you. It does, And I've

685
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: kind of learned from myself at least the bigger the project,

686
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 2: I definitely need to kind of build in some downtime

687
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: for I jump out the next thing, Like how do

688
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: you kind of juggle that?

689
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm doing a better job now of not

690
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: taking on as many projects at one time, but I

691
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: still there are always at least at least two or

692
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: three projects.

693
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: Happening at once, probably in a different phases to.

694
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, And I prefer them being in different phases

695
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: because it's very difficult to have two back to back

696
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: events at the same point of executions as opposed to, like,

697
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'm an ideation phase of this project, I'm

698
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: an execute with phase of this project. That kind of

699
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: is able. I'm able to spread out the efforts a

700
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: bit easier that way. But there are also times where,

701
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: like you know, two weeks ago, my team and I

702
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: had an Atlanta United event and a Kamala Harris event

703
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: within one day of each other. So it does happen

704
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 1: but I'm doing a better job of like not taking

705
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: on too many projects because the more you take on also,

706
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: the less fun I think it becomes in my experience

707
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: with my team, Like you know, yeah, it's great to

708
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: you know, have all these projects under your belt, but

709
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: the more you take on, the less time you get

710
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: to give to the individual one. And so I'm minimizing

711
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: our projects to probably like one or two a month.

712
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: I want to get to that point because I want

713
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: the projects to be bigger, but I want us to

714
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: have enough time to really execute them in a way

715
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: that is very thoughtful. So yeah, I hope that answered

716
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: your question.

717
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, you've mentioned like the idea of

718
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: team a couple of times. I'm just to kind of understand,

719
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: like what does what are the roles on your team?

720
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: Like for people that you know want to do something

721
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: similar right in there, like you said, you from being

722
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: yourself to a team, Like, what what does your team

723
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: consist of?

724
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: Got you? Yeah, So when I first started, it was

725
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: me and my best friends who were so gracious enough

726
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: to like come and pull up after work to help

727
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: me build things. But over the years, I've started the

728
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: process of hiring a team dedicated to what I'm doing

729
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: around me. So I currently have my assistant. Her name

730
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: is Shanita. I have a producer or project manager, her

731
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: name is Selling. I have social media gal her name

732
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: is Kayla. And then I have a slew of pas,

733
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: but three or four that I use on a really

734
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: consistent basis. So the general team is, you know myself,

735
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: I have three interns, my producer, my social media girl,

736
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 1: my personal assistant, and then when we have events then however,

737
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: many PAS are necessary for the project to be a success.

738
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: It's kind of scale up a scale absolutely. What's been

739
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 2: some of your favorite projects? Again, we all know that

740
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: you did the Trap Museum, but like, what are some

741
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: other projects you've done since then you've really enjoyed.

742
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: I gosh, there have been a lot. I really enjoyed

743
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: doing Blacks Tour. I did his tour for this since

744
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: I have a lover tour, and that was I love

745
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: doing tours, so that was a lot of fun. I

746
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: did Janelle for Essence, I think it was last year,

747
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: and that was really cool. She's just a really fun

748
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: person to work with.

749
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: She seems fun.

750
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a hoot and a holler. Okay. I was

751
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: Jadanna's art director and set designer for about two years

752
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: when he did eighty five to Africa, and that whole

753
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: process was such a beautiful experience because the whole album

754
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: was really the combination of Atlanta, US black culture and

755
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: like the culture of US ghetto and then the culture

756
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: of Nigerian ghetto fusing together through sound, and then it

757
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: was my responsibility to figure out what that looked like

758
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: based off of the sound. So that project was so

759
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: much fun because it was just the fusion of these

760
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: of these two cultures was so beautiful to see. We

761
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: had a lot of fund that project a lot, So yeah,

762
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: I said that was another favorite. And then most recently,

763
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: oh Usher because he's Usher. Oh yeah, back in like

764
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, I did Usher performance and he wanted

765
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: the space to look like someone's attic that had been

766
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: that no one had seen or been up to in

767
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: like fifteen years. So he wanted the entire space to

768
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: have like layers of storage things but all covered by fabric,

769
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: and then he wanted specific pieces to kind of pop out.

770
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: So that was fun to work with him because he

771
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: obviously he is an icon. It's usure, right, So that

772
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: was really a beautiful experience too.

773
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, and you did some work with Summer

774
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: Walker two.

775
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, yeah, I did her album cover art. That

776
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: was cool. That was a really fun experience. It was

777
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: the one where she's she's pregnant and she's sitting in

778
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: this canoe with all these flowers around her. So we

779
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: had to cheat that shot because she was at the time,

780
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: I think six or seven months pregnant and it was

781
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: twenty degrees here in Atlanta. I do not think that

782
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: she swims. So the overall concept was like, how are

783
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: we going to get this done? And then no one

784
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 1: like die? So my amazing pa Asa and I figured

785
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: out a way to We basically went to go get

786
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: a canoe, put the canoe at the edge of a dock,

787
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: and I sat in this canoe. Half the canoe was

788
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: half on, half off the dock, and he put cinder

789
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: blocks on the other side to balance the weight. And

790
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: so we basically built this like cheat shot that made

791
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: it look like she was in the middle of the

792
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: water when she was really sitting on a dock. Basically, yeah,

793
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: that was it turned out really nice. I really liked

794
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: that one and just.

795
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: Started curious, like how do you go from how do

796
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: you even know, like those are opportunities. I think a

797
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 2: lot of creators probably don't even know, like things like

798
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: album covers, and so there's lots of ways you can

799
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: express yourself creatively, Like how do those are opportunities kind

800
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: of come around? Is it just relationships or were you

801
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: pursuing that kind of Yeah, So.

802
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: Now everything I am one hundred percent referral based. But

803
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: when I Place first started out, I am very thankful,

804
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: very thankful for the network. But when I first started out,

805
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: I would cold call people, like I would spend three

806
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: three hours a day researching people that I wanted to

807
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: work with and how to get in contact with them.

808
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: And so I created this database of email addresses and

809
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: I would spend three hours a day searching, and then

810
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: I would spend one hour a day sending either DMS

811
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: or emails to these people. And I was send like

812
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: ten a day, And so I like to think that

813
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: eventually some of that may be paid off. In the beginning,

814
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: there was no proof of concept to these people, probably

815
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: like who is this girl hitting me up about set design?

816
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: There's no work here. But I think that me having

817
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: done that for so long and then that combined with

818
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: the work that I was doing to prove myself kind

819
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: of created this kind of buzz. But then also, you know,

820
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 1: the Atlanta network is so beautiful and strong, and I'm

821
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: so thankful to be in this space where like a

822
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: lot of us all went to school at the same time. Yeah,

823
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: so we've all been able to kind of watch each

824
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: other grow together. And so now we have this very

825
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: tight knit network of relationships where you know, if I

826
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: am looking for a new artist to work with, I

827
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: can reach out to these people who are in and

828
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: rs for these labels, or you know, if I need

829
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: an amazing photographer, I can go to these people who

830
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, who have experience with that. So yeah, everything

831
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: now is referral based. It comes to me. But that

832
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: was not how it started out.

833
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: This was always interesting about Atlanta, and I've noticed that

834
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, people always joke and say, yeah,

835
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: so like all y'all know each other. It's like we

836
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: do get the high school with them, or literally the

837
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 2: college of people you.

838
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: Know, only here from a college perspective, but like the

839
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: before college around is so intense.

840
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

841
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Atlanta, and the longer I live here, the

842
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: more I realize it really is not a real place.

843
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: And I love that so much.

844
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: I love it so much. Shout shout out the c

845
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: AU and all the all the amazing folks that went

846
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: to the AUC as well, you know what I'm saying.

847
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: So what do you kind of see the future for

848
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 2: the kind of work you're doing? You think kind of

849
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 2: tours were you going to focus for a while or

850
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: is there anything you talking about commercial space, like what's

851
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: kind of on the horizon for well tours?

852
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: Yes, I told myself I would I wanted to do

853
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: at least two tours this year, and I think i'm

854
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: I did Sanades and I feel like I did someone

855
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: else's before that, and I don't remember, which is awful.

856
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: But touring definitely like it has my focus right now.

857
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: But for twenty twenty five, I'm planning that. Right now,

858
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: I'm looking to open up some brick and mortars. I

859
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: think that's the next step of the scaling process for

860
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: sep by Sky. So yeah, I'm looking to open up

861
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: a prop shop because there are no black owned prop

862
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: shops in the state of Georgia and no black owned

863
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: female prop shops in the United States. So yeah, so

864
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: there's obviously a market, a niche a niche market for that,

865
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: and I'm just kind of tired of going to these

866
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: prop shops and no one looks like us. Yeah, and

867
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: I remember, like I said in the beginning about my story,

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Speaker 1: that I remember growing up in like trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out while I was figuring out what such design was

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Speaker 1: and creative direction was, not having the resources is to

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Speaker 1: afford to go and rent things. And so I want

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Speaker 1: to create a space where, you know, I can give

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Speaker 1: discounts to students or to new creatives that are trying

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Speaker 1: to figure it out but don't have access to anything

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Speaker 1: elements that they need in order to create the process

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Speaker 1: that they want creatively. So yeah, I'm going to open

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Speaker 1: up a prop shop in twenty twenty five. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I've had I have four storage units right now that

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Speaker 1: I've been paying for for the past like four years,

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Speaker 1: and it's time for this stuff to be used. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I just the amount of projects that I do,

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Speaker 1: It's time for me to create a space where, like

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Speaker 1: I can have a workshop where I can actually build

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00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: things myself there and I can teach classes for those

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Speaker 1: who are interested. I want to have a space where

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00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: people can come and look and imagine and then rent

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Speaker 1: from there. And also you know, a space where all

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Speaker 1: of these movie production companies that are coming to Atlantic

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Speaker 1: can come and rent from. Yeah, so that's definitely one

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Speaker 1: of the businesses that are going to be started up.

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Speaker 1: And then I'm going to create this immersive experience that

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Speaker 1: is kind of housed around like mental health and therapy,

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00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: so in nature, So how nature, how being in nature

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Speaker 1: affects your brain and how that makes the rest of

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Speaker 1: your body feel. So you know, people say, you know,

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Speaker 1: they love going to the beach or they love going

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Speaker 1: being in the forest. There is like scientific reasoning behind

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Speaker 1: why you go to the beach and you feel better

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Speaker 1: when you're like your feet are in the sand, like

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00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: the tactile element. There's something behind that. So each room

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00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: is going to have a different environmental feel and there's

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00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: going to be science behind it so you can understand, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is why you feel this way. And

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Speaker 1: I want to I want to connect with like you know,

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Speaker 1: an app like Calm or better help to also be

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Speaker 1: able to provide guide therapy for creatives because I think

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00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: that there's so much that is unsaid as it relates

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Speaker 1: to the journey of getting from the start, the starting

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Speaker 1: point to the I've made it process and the idea

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Speaker 1: of mental health people don't we don't talk about it enough,

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, and so I want to help

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Speaker 1: just help destigmatize this idea of you know, not talking

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Speaker 1: is okay when you're going through something, because I know

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Speaker 1: so many creatives then and now that are struggling with

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Speaker 1: things and nobody talks about it or they don't feel

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Speaker 1: like they have the space to do so. So I

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Speaker 1: want to create this space where you can come and

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Speaker 1: do a sound bath in a space that looks like

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Speaker 1: the forest, or you can come and get therapy in

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Speaker 1: a space that looks like a beach. So yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: that's another project that's going to happen next year.

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Speaker 2: I love it. And you know, Better Help is one

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Speaker 2: of our sponsors, So better help, y'all, better get over here,

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00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 2: come some check this out. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: and make that happen.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I love what you said. As a Pisces that goes

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Speaker 2: to the wall every couple of months to be charged,

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Speaker 2: you know, I definitely understand the stands and the water.

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Speaker 2: And then just from a business standpoint, I always tell

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Speaker 2: people I think that you know, when you see opportunities,

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Speaker 2: there's lots of different ways to benefit from it. You know,

933
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Speaker 2: when people see gold rushes sometimes they think the best

934
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Speaker 2: way to win is to go dig for gold. I

935
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Speaker 2: believe in selling picks and shovels that part, And I

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Speaker 2: really like what you're doing as far as like creating

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Speaker 2: the resources and the tools for more people to come

938
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Speaker 2: into the industry to be able to like use those things.

939
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Speaker 2: So that's amazing. Yeah, you know, before we get out

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Speaker 2: of here, how can people find you? How can they

941
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Speaker 2: they they book you, how can they reach out? You know?

942
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Speaker 2: The budget of course to work, we can talk.

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Speaker 1: About that too. Even be surprised how many projects they

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00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: take on. And my team hates me for this, but

945
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Speaker 1: I will also just take on projects that I that

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Speaker 1: feed my soul. Yeah, Like I feel like either the

947
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Speaker 1: end goal is going to be so beautiful or I

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Speaker 1: think that the world needs to see this. Even if

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Speaker 1: the if the budget is not what I think it

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00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: should be, there are ways to scale down. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you can reach me literally everything and step by

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Speaker 1: s on my My website is step by sky dot com.

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Speaker 1: You can email me at wave at step by Sky.

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Speaker 1: My instagram all socials are step by CI as well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, the lucky ones. You got everything to match up.

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Speaker 1: I thankfully my name is not like something that people

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Speaker 1: you know here all the time and so it was

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Speaker 1: easy to find.

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Speaker 2: Well that's well, that's the well, congratulations on everything. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming in. This has been dope.

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