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Y'all been asking the kids 18 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: to have a doula on the podcast, and I have 19 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: been searching high and low for one that's educated in 20 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: license in the field. So with that being said to 21 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: my guests. How are you doing I'm doing it so well. 22 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, EM and A for having me on. Absolutely. Absolutely, 23 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to because I feel like everybody think 24 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: that could be a doula and you are experienced and licensed. So, um, 25 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: did the pay of them to affect your business? Absolutely? 26 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: It has. Um. So, I mean I'm not sure if 27 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: everyone kind of knows what a doula is, but um, 28 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: my next question, but go ahead. Um, Well, then to 29 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: answer your question, yes, it definitely has affected my business. Um, 30 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: the entire industry has had to pivot, like I'm sure 31 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: many other industries have had to as well, simply because 32 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: you know, hospitals have really restricted the amount of people 33 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: that are allowed inside understandably so um, which earlier in 34 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: the pandemic was really you know, it was hard because 35 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: even the birthing parents couldn't have their partners or their 36 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: husbands or their family be alone, let alone having another 37 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: professional in the room with them. So um, yeah, we 38 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: can talk about how that shifted my business and what 39 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: it looks like now, but definitely, how does your business 40 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: look right now? Well, for a lot of us, uh, 41 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: you know, things are getting a little bit better, but 42 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: for a lot of us, we to go virtual, which 43 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: is something that I think many of us never thought 44 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: we would be able to do because do LI support 45 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: is very much you're with the family, you're with the mother, 46 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: you're with the babies in person, helping with breastfeeding, you know, 47 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: if you're at the birth, if you're at their home. 48 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: So we had to go virtually, and what that looks 49 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: like is a lot of preparation, so one on one 50 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: birth prep classes. You know, it might be sending videos 51 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: or doing a video chat to watch and see how 52 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: the watches for breastfeeding. UM. You know, the partners calling 53 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: a messaging as like I have a I usually do 54 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: a WhatsApp group with my clients so that everyone is 55 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: all in the know and you know, the partners updating 56 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: me or they're asking me questions where I do now, 57 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: how can I help her with this? Um? Which is 58 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: all stuff that I would have done before, but it's 59 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: even more so UM And it really has been a 60 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: humbling experience as well, you know, because this pandemic has 61 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: been humbling, right. I think I think so many doulas, 62 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, in a very earnest sense, believe that you 63 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: know them being at their client's birth hopefully made it 64 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: a positive birth and many many times, you know, there's 65 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: been research to show that doula's at births really do 66 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: benefit the outcome, but obviously with COVID we were not. 67 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: And it was really humbling to know that, you know, 68 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: we don't have to necessarily be there to be for 69 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: it to be a really good experience. You know, it 70 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: really shows to my ability to prepare my clients ahead 71 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: of time, um, for them to feel empowered and for 72 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: the partners or the dads to really kind of step 73 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: up and be that person. So it's been really nice 74 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: and humbling and allowed me to really reshift the gaps 75 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: in my business and my practice. Now. But alls that 76 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: are not familiar with the term, do looking you please 77 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: explained what dola is? Yes, of course, so I first 78 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: was looking to become one. This was the definition that 79 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: I found that I'm not the biggest fan of. But 80 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: it's essentially coming from a Greek Latin word meaning a 81 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: woman who serves, and for many reasons, you know, as 82 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: a woman of color, as a as a feminist, I 83 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: don't particularly like that definition, and obviously exactly and that's 84 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: the more inclusive and a lot more progressive, you know 85 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: that idea of a duela in that sense has changed. 86 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: So now the definition, more formally and objectively is an 87 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: experience professional, a trained professional who supports families or birthing 88 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: people through birth, pregnancy, postpartum, and infant feeding. So one 89 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: of the responsibilities of one, well, it depends on which 90 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: kind of a duly you're talking about. So if you're 91 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: talking about strictly a birth doula UM, you know that 92 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: would include if you were my client, then we would 93 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: have some prenatal meetings, meaning that we meet up and 94 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: we talk about what the child birthing process looks like, 95 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: what to expect at the hospital or with the midwife 96 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: UM and we do that twice, two or three times too. 97 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: We go over breastfeeding and how that should work, and 98 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: tip to prepare ahead of time. Normal newborn behavior is 99 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: a infant care all before baby gets here, then you 100 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: would I would be on call for two weeks of 101 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: your due date and you'd call me when you start 102 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: having contractions, and then pre COVID I would have met 103 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: you at the hospital or met you at your to 104 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: help you cope with the pain and then help you, 105 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, deliver the baby and then it was with 106 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: you in the family for about two hours to make 107 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: sure that bonding, an attachment to a baby and maybe 108 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: breastfeeding hopefully gets off to a good start UM. And 109 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: then after that UM, I would do a visit. So 110 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: that's strictly a birth doula all birth you looks kind 111 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: of do all of that in one lumpsome one fee 112 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: for that particular family or client. But a family maybe 113 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: they already have their birth and they're realizing that they 114 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: prepared so well for the birth, which happens a lot, 115 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: but they did not prepare themselves so well for baby 116 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: being home. UM happens quite often, and so that's when 117 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: you would hire a postpartum doulah. And so that would 118 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: be someone who comes in generally within the first i'd 119 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: say twelve to fifteen weeks of the early stage. And 120 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: this is really awesome because it's super customizable. And what 121 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: I love about this is a postpartum doula. You know, 122 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: a hundred years ago, fifty years ago, even there wasn't 123 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: really such a thing, because the postpartum dula was your auntie, 124 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: was your mom, your grandma, right the right, it was 125 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: the community. But because people have had to move away. 126 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: You know, women are working now, um, things like that. 127 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: That community vibe has really dwindled in the industrial age 128 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: and beyond. So now this has opened up a whole 129 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: field of individuals who are postpartum dulists, not nanny's. There's 130 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: a difference, UM, and we really support the families in 131 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: the early postpartum period. So you know, you've heard about 132 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: the first trimester, pregnancy, second trimester, third trimester, but there's 133 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: also something called the fourth trimester, which is the first 134 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: months after the baby is born. So the baby is 135 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: out of the mother, out of the birthing person, but 136 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: really on them, so still very much attached. The baby 137 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: cogitatively can't decipher themselves as a single entity, and then 138 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: their mother is a single entity. Everything is all still 139 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: the same to them. So that first three months is 140 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: really tough. Sleeping is really difficult, Feeding can be really difficult. 141 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: Um emotions are really high, hormones are changing. It's just 142 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: a lot. And so this do la, this postponem doula 143 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: comes in and they are kind of that the calm 144 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: amongst the chaos. So I would come in and really 145 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: ask UK what success looks like today? Does it look 146 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: like me? Doing meal prep doesn't look like us really 147 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: helping you with infant feeding, doesn't mean that you need 148 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: to take a shower, doesn't mean maybe I help go 149 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: with you to the grocery store for the first time 150 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: with the baby and you're really nervous, doesn't mean you know, 151 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: you want to debrief your birth because it was really 152 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: awesome or really traumatic. Um and just doing whatever needs 153 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: to be done so that the family is now getting 154 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: adjusted to this new normal. And I can't stress the 155 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: importance of that. You know, the basis of our society 156 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: is the family, and I there are so many that 157 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: the government pays for this service, you know, for someone 158 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: to come in and help the new family, because they 159 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: know that if they start off on the right foot, 160 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: then society will continue to go on the right path um. 161 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: And so that's why this, this field of postpartum due 162 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: work is becoming so much more popular among families for 163 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: daytime support and then overnight support. So that would mean 164 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: somebody I would come in and you would get the 165 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: family would get a chance to sleep, and I'm really 166 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: looking after baby overnight. Yeah, I knew you was gonna 167 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: be a good candidate for this because I'm definitely learning 168 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: from new things. So I'm so excited. Um. One of 169 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 1: the requirements to become a dula. And before you answer that, 170 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: do you feel like everybody think they could be? Um? 171 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: It depends. I think in some ways yes, just because 172 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: it's it's grown out of a very informal position of 173 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: like that onto your grandmother. Um. But as a professional 174 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: duela and others in my industry would say no because 175 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: even though we're unregulated, so like nurses are regulated, regissage 176 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: massage therapists are regulated, dulas are not yet a regulated industry. UM. 177 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: So here in Canada, in Ontario, we have a couple 178 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: of different association to regulate ourselves. So there is an 179 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: association for a province. I am one of the founding 180 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: members of the Ontario Black Dula Society. Yeah, we just 181 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: we just kind of started this and we really needed 182 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: to fill in the gaps in professional and mentorship care 183 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: for the Black Dulas and Ontilo. But all of that 184 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: being said, in order to call yourself a dula and 185 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: do it with integrity and respect for others who make 186 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: this their living and their professional living, you would need 187 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: to be point um and you would need to you know, 188 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: continuously upgrade your skills and also have liability insurance. So 189 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: if you don't have those things, yeah, you could probably 190 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: call yourself a doula because it's unregulated, but you know 191 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: you're not going to get the support you need if 192 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: someone would just sue you or you know, the very 193 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: I I take very much seriously being at someone's birth 194 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: or even being in someone's home after they just had 195 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: a baby, because it's such a fragile time. Um, you 196 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: have to respect it, right mm hm. One of the 197 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: difference between a doula and a midwife, great question. I 198 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: love this one. So get my own bron doing great, 199 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: So you're really good, like when I'm father a baby, 200 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: because we are the first person I'm calling. I would 201 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: love to. I love it. Um. So a midwife is 202 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: uh more on the same page as a doctor. So 203 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: that's how I would describe it. Obie's and kind of 204 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: college just Obe's. They are they've gone through medical school 205 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: and typically their main um area of focus is surgery, right, 206 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: so I would say opessional these are kind of like 207 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: focused on the pathology of childbirth. So they're there anything 208 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: goes wrong, right, and you want them on your team 209 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: if anything goes wrong. Personally, and there might be some 210 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: dealers who disagree with me, which is fine, and some 211 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: family owners who disagree with me. Personally, I feel like 212 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: birth is a natural process that if it becomes medical, 213 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: if it becomes an emergency, so grateful for those professionals 214 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: like we need them. I was that child, I was 215 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: born six weeks early. It was three pounds two ounces 216 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: born vas c section, needed a doctor, right, So grateful 217 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: for that. But UM, doctors in and obs, they are 218 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: more medicalized midwhile UM go through your own medical training, 219 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: but they can't do surgery. Okay, so like the next 220 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: the next level. But there have been midwives who've been 221 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: giving birth since the dawn of time many different nations 222 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: and countries around the world. Midwives are the primary UH 223 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: caregivers for for birthing families. UM, and those countries you 224 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: usually have lower c section rates North America has. In 225 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: North America, Mexico, Brazil, where the birthing industry is highly medicalized, 226 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: the c section rate is much higher. UM. So doctors 227 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: and midwives are they are waist down, Okay, they diagnosed, 228 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: they do everything clinical, they can go all up in there. 229 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: Doulas do not do any of that, and they should not. Ever, 230 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: we're not chained for right, so we are what we 231 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: say we'll waste up. So we are more of that 232 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: emotional physical support, that preparation and that support afterwards on 233 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: emotional and physical level in terms of you know, helping 234 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: you with with specific things. Whereas if you have an issue, 235 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: let's say with like uterine pro lapse or you know, 236 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: it can be where you know your public floor muscles 237 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: weren't really that strong or they got weakened through through 238 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: birth um and things are not you know, they're not 239 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: as they're not staying where they should be in terms 240 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: of your uterus, and so you need to go get 241 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: support from your health care providers who can diagnose that 242 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: and give you whatever steps and referrals that you need. 243 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: I would not do that as a doula because again 244 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: while we're getting into clinical, but if you're looking for 245 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: different exercises, if you need to talk about how it's 246 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: maybe affecting you and your partner, um you you in 247 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: your daily life, maybe you need to hire a postpartum 248 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: doula because your uterine prolapse is really affecting your ability 249 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: to get things done. That's where a deal it would 250 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: step in m HM the medical doctors, midwives, they're waist 251 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: down do if everything clinical doulas are waste up emotional, 252 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: physical support and preparation. Um. One of my listeners want 253 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: to know, do do let's get frowned upon from doctors 254 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: and nurses. M M that's um. I would love to, 255 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: I know, in my ideal world and depending on where 256 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: you know, where those families are and where the hospitals 257 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: are some oftimes, yes, sometimes sometimes doulas have stepped outside 258 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: of what we call their scope M yeah. Yeah, and 259 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: you know, told clients certain things or interjected themselves in, 260 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: you know, certain things in a way that's not tactful 261 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: in order to maintain a good relationship with nurses and doctors. Right, 262 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: the way that I see it is, I come into 263 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: the hospital with you, I'm your you're my client. I 264 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: basically really should only be talking to you and supporting you. UM. 265 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: I should not be interjecting myself with the doctor the 266 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: nurses unless you need me to otherwise. My job is 267 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: to advocate and empower you to do that for yourself. UM. 268 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: And sometimes some doulas have stepped outside of that, and 269 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: so doctors don't like that. But also sometimes there are 270 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: some doctors, I will say, who you know, want to 271 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: do things the way that they want to do them, 272 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: the way that they always have and they don't want 273 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: to be question And with sometimes clients who have dulas 274 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: are very well prepared and they don't question their doctors, 275 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: but they asked them questions. And sometimes they don't like 276 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: to be asked questions, um, and so they might ask them, 277 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: you know, if this client is asking a lot of 278 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: questions and seems to know a lot, like you do 279 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: you have a dual? Oh, yes, I have a DULA, 280 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: and they're like okay, well, you know, sometimes doctors will say, well, 281 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: I don't really work with families that have dulas. I 282 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: have heard. I have heard that, yes, not for myself, 283 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: but I've heard from other DOLA colleagues of mine where 284 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: either that families had to switch to a different doctor 285 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: or that doula was had to relieve themselves of that 286 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: of that contract. So no, I know, it's hard. And 287 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: so as an industry, again like we're unregulated, but as 288 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: an industry, you know, at least in my province and 289 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: even with the terriblacked Dulast society, our goal and mandate 290 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: is to be professionals right and really try and be 291 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: all on the same team. We're all team client and 292 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: team baby. Doesn't matter if we're in a hospital with 293 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: the midwife, a nurse, with a doula. We're all here 294 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: to make sure that everyone has a positive outcome and 295 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: how can we do that in a respectful way so 296 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: that you know, both industries can work together a long term. 297 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure when it comes to price, and 298 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: it varies dependent on the doulah and then the services 299 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: that they offer, right, yes, and depending on the location. 300 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: But I can't give you generally, um, like the reas 301 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: that I've seen, at least at least here in Toronto. 302 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: I know New York Is it's a little bit on 303 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: the higher end, but you know, smaller towns out here 304 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: in Ontario. You know, a birth doula could start at 305 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, eight or nine hundred for that whole talked 306 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: about earlier with the classes and the birth and then 307 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: the postpartum visit um and then for their postpartum hours. 308 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: It's usually done hourly. You know, they're looking at about 309 00:17:51,720 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: thirty dollar an hour m hmm um. In city Toronto, UM, 310 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: some agencies because there you can work as an independent contractor, 311 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: or you can run and be a part of an agency. 312 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: I've seen between eleven hundred on the low end and 313 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: up to sevent dred on the high end for birth 314 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: and um, depending on for postpartum, if it's a single 315 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: baby or twins, minimum is minimum is thirty two an hour. 316 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: I've seen all the way up to fifty depending on 317 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: how many kids you have. Mm hmm. I wanted my 318 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: listeners wanted to know what are some things that you 319 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: would recommend for them to look out for when starting 320 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: for do look, oh, I love this so definitely, and 321 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: interview as many dolts as you feel you need to 322 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 1: to feel comfortable, whether it's for your birth or your postpartum. 323 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: This is you don't really you might not realize how 324 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: vulnerable of a space and the minds that you're going 325 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: to be in in either of those situations. You want 326 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,479 Speaker 1: to have someone who's there, who you feel completely comfortable with, 327 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: who you feel completely come doble with that they're going 328 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: to see every part of you that you've maybe never 329 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: even seen yourself. You've seen it all and nothing phases us, 330 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: but every everything, um so it doesn't phase us. But 331 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: for some people, they're a little bit nervous about that, 332 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: and so you know, making sure that you feel really 333 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: comfortable with that person, making sure your partner or whoever 334 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: whoever is in your immediate um you know um care 335 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: circle will will also potentially get along with. But really 336 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: just make sure that you vibe with the person that 337 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: you have the right energies, you have similar beliefs in 338 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: terms of you know, if you know that you're someone 339 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: who wants a medical friendly or a technology friendly birth, 340 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: you don't want to go with you know, the fairy 341 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: dust angel stars duel over here because you know you 342 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: might not be on the same level and vice versa, right, 343 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: you know what, we're supposed to be unbiased regardless, But 344 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: it would just obviously be a much easier match. If 345 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: I know that I'm a woo woo maybe bird in 346 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: the forest kind of client, then I might want to 347 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: take a dula who also has similar ideals like that, 348 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: because it just might be easier. Even though the technology 349 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: friendly duel over here could you know, fill that role, 350 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: it would just be more intuitively aligned to find that doula. 351 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: So interviewing one of the people as possible, ask them 352 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: lots of questions, you know, you know, the basic ones 353 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: of you know, your experience and whatnot, and then maybe 354 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: some situational ones, um, you know, find out how flexible 355 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: and available they are. Obviously you have to know that 356 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: these dulas have families or they have lives, and so 357 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, them coming to see you as taking away 358 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: from their family or they're they're whoever is important to 359 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: them and so they are going to give so much 360 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: of themselves to you, UM, and for you to also 361 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: just kind of be respectful of that, UM and then 362 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: meet them so you can have that initial call maybe UM, 363 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: I know COVID is a little difficult now, so zoom 364 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: calls and whatnot, but just ask them some fun questions. 365 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: I know that there have been some clients where I've 366 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: interviewed with them and you know, they've had me over 367 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: for dinner. UM, and that's very very calm, chill environment. 368 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: You know, we can all really be ourselves and they 369 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: can feel out my energy, but just no, really sink in. 370 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: I think, as a birthing person or as a woman, 371 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: really sink into your intuition and kind of know within 372 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: that first five ten minutes. I think as women, we've 373 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: downplayed our intuition because we've tried to, you know, match 374 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: the very analytical energy of men. But intuition, now that's 375 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: a whole different conversation that stuff. But I mean intuition 376 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: is really just you know, you bless it's it is, 377 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: and it's really just scientifically, it's usis turning facts. So 378 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: the facts of whatever the situation is, what's going on 379 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: in your external environment, and what your gut says about that. 380 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: So it's just you synthesizing those three things altogether and 381 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: coming up with the decision. Um. And I think that 382 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,479 Speaker 1: that's really powerful to use as a tool to make 383 00:21:54,520 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: a decision. Definitely trush and good every time. So I 384 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: know that you are a trauma, labor and postpartum doula. 385 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: So I have a list of the things that you 386 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: specialize in and it would be really informative. We can 387 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: just like for each one, you can just elaborate, Okay, 388 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: get the listeners an idea. So the first one I 389 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: have is breast and chest feeding. Yes, so um, I've 390 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: done different trainings over the last couple of years to 391 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: um really support families in their breastfeeding or chest feeding. 392 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: And the reason why we use both is to be inclusive. 393 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: Not every person who's a woman cause the breasts, et cetera. 394 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: But again, my role as a duela or any Jewelah 395 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: who's going to support breastfeeding is really on a level 396 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: of uh, you know, the latch, making sure it's not painful, 397 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,239 Speaker 1: different ways to deal with engouragement, which is, you know, 398 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: the feeling of really really full type breasts and that 399 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: can be very painful. So how we can you know, 400 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: soothe that. But if there's anything like mess titus or 401 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: the baby has a tongue tie, so that's where the 402 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: bottom of their the bottom or the or the roof 403 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: of their mouth, um, you know, the flange is still 404 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: connected and it's really hard for the baby to set. 405 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: It's painful. I won't diagnose any of that. I might 406 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: have an idea in my head, but I'm not gonna 407 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: say anything because that's outside of my scope. So in 408 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: that case, I would refer to a lactation consultant, so 409 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: as we have to know where the boundaries are of like, Okay, 410 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: this is not a lot longer in my scope, but 411 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: I have a list of resources and people that you 412 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: can connect with to help you with this issue so 413 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: you feel empowered to move on positively. The next one 414 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: is this comfort measures techniques. Yes, so you know labor 415 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: can be really quick for some people who had a 416 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: friend who you know, from start to finish or labor 417 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: was four and a half hours, which is, oh, that's cute, 418 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: it sounds cute, but it also could be like very 419 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: shocking to the body, um, real quick um. And then 420 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: other people like it's it's days and it's on and off, 421 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: or it's days of just a lot of pain. So 422 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: up until you a person or a client decides to 423 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: get an epidural, which is where they insert a needle 424 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: to your spine and freeze your lower half so you 425 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: can't feel up. And until that point, I've been trained 426 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: to utilize different techniques or advanced techniques to comfort around 427 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: the pain. So comfort measures around pain develop in the 428 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: bar between mother and baby. Yeah, um, I would like 429 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: to h amend that and just say I'm develop helping 430 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: to facilitate the bond and attachment with parent and baby. Um. 431 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: Because again I've I've had clients who you know, they're 432 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: adoptive parents or same sex parents um or grandparents. So yeah, 433 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: that would really look like for me just showing them 434 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: different ways to do that. So some really quick examples 435 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: could be a lot of skin to skin. UM, So 436 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: that would mean for whomever is very important, very important, 437 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: and it's not only just like important for everymen to 438 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: feel good, but for the baby it's itself themselves. It 439 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: helps to regulate their blood, their body temperature, their blood sugars. 440 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: You know, them being so close to your chest and 441 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: hearing your heartbeat or hearing the vibrations in your voice, 442 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: all of that is familiar to them being the womb. 443 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: In the womb, it's incredibly loud, incredibly loud, like when 444 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: you go to an all just add and you hear 445 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: all of that noise, Like that's how loud it is 446 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: for them. So the whole idea that need to be 447 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: quiet like no, not really, Um, we don't want loud 448 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: startling noises because as humans, the only fears that were 449 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,719 Speaker 1: born with are the fear of loud noises and falling, 450 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: which makes sense, but loud noises in general, babies are 451 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: used to that. I mean, I have a client who 452 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: has six kids, um, five of which are ages two 453 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: and a half under. Um, it's the loud house and 454 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: the new babies that just came, you know, they are 455 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: easily to sleep through the screaming and crying and running 456 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: around and all of that, and you're like, how on 457 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: earth could they sleep like that? Well, it's they've been 458 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: used to this in the womb, and they're used to 459 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: it outside of the moon. So just things like that 460 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: can really help UM with the bonding and attachment with parents. Sex, 461 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: intimacy at the birth. Oh my gosh, yes, Oh I 462 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,479 Speaker 1: actually didn't. I had to live on my Instagram with 463 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: a pelvic floor physiotherapist. I don't know if you've heard 464 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: of them before, No, dude, please tell us. So a 465 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: public floor physiotherapist is kind of exactly what it sounds like. 466 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: It's a physiotherapist that works on strengthening and repairing the 467 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: public floor, which usually after birth or really anything any 468 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: sexual activity. Right. They help you regain control over those muscles. Um, 469 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: because sex or penetrative sex of any kind is a 470 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: workout for those muscles, even if you didn't have a workout, right, Um, 471 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: and then you throw on you know, having a child, 472 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: and and that's six to twelve weeks I would say, 473 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: six or twelve weeks of healing. Um. Sometimes it's really 474 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: quick and easy and other times, you know, with with 475 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: a traumatic birth. You need a lot of support, You 476 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: need different tools and things like that, and they can 477 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: do that to really help you with uterine pro lapse 478 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: or you know, an overactive public floor. Um. I actually 479 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 1: learned from the one that I interviewed that it's not 480 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: necessarily an issue that women are like loose or whethern 481 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: people are loose quote unquote after having a movie. It's 482 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: that women are birthing people are so tight all the time, 483 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: which is something that our patriotical society has accepted and 484 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: celebrated for so long with the roles and all the stuff. 485 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: That we're actually too tight and so we don't know 486 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: how to relax and release the public floor muscles. And 487 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: that's exactly what you need to do in birth. You 488 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: need to completely relax and let things flow through. Otherwise 489 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: you're going to overstretch those muscles, over tax them, and 490 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: then you know, it's like working out. It's like you know, 491 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: a quad strain or a glute strain. You know that 492 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: muscle is torn or their muscle is not usable for 493 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: a while, right, you have to give it some time 494 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: to rest and heal. So when I work with my 495 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: clients in order to help them prepare for sex and 496 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: intimacy after birth. While they're pregnant, we do things like 497 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: perennial massage, which is you know, massaging and stretching the 498 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: area between the vaginal opening and the anus, which is 499 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: going to stretch a lot for the baby to come out, 500 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: so those tissues somewhat used to stretching, so it's not 501 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: a shock and you don't tear badly. And then if 502 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: you do that, if you don't tear, that it's easier 503 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: to recover and heal. And then maybe six to twelve 504 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: weeks post baby, you might be interested in having sex 505 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: again very slowly with a lot of librication, especially if 506 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: you're breastfeeding, because it's it's you're in a dry phase 507 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: if you're breastfeeding, and lots of communication. Yeah, hu another 508 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: thing you specialize then what you kind of already spoke 509 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: on with the pelvit for health, Yeah, I I kind 510 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: of just like generally talk about that, and then I 511 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: encourage all of my clients from pregnancy to go see 512 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: how for physiotherapist just you know, even if it's just 513 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: looking at yourself and like just looking at yourself and saying, okay, 514 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: this is what looks normal. And then you can see 515 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: after the baby is born, like, okay, is this is 516 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: there bruising here? Is there scar tissue here? You know what, 517 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: how how has this changed since giving birth? And really, like, 518 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: if you think about it, the vagina is a muscle. 519 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: It's meant to stretch to this enormous amount and come 520 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,479 Speaker 1: right back. You know, you've ever been horseback riding and all. 521 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: This might not be the best best visual, but I've 522 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: ever been horseback riding. You know you'll kind of see 523 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: that horse lipped up its tail and it will open 524 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: up its spinkter and a large people come up right back, 525 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: right back to it again. That's exactly how our regina 526 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: is supposed to be as well. But because you know, 527 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: we do a lot of sitting. You know, Um, I 528 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: was listening to a doctor talk about how you do 529 00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: you you incontinence in women and men, but mostly when, 530 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: especially as they get older, is usually caused by too 531 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: much sitting mm hm. And so incontinence is the inability 532 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: to control your bladder, which all of that is connected 533 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: to the public floor. So what can you do to 534 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, prepare for that even before you're pregnant. Well, 535 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: that's exercise, that's squatting, that's walking, that's knowing how to 536 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: release and contract those muscles, um, and knowing where in 537 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: your in your public floor. You know, if you squeeze 538 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: your butt, you know that's a different area of your 539 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: public floor. Then you actively thinking about squeezing your kegels 540 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: in your in your vagina and knowing those games, um, 541 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: and just feeling like you have some empowerment over how 542 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: your body works because you should. UM. One thing that 543 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: I noticed, I don't know if you complete this one 544 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: or not, but thought it was just so cute that 545 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: you was going to specialize and infant massages. Oh yes, okay, 546 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: so I was about to do that before COVID hit. 547 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: I figured that, but mainly because I was doing so 548 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: much baby massage with my postpartum clients anyway, I was like, 549 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: maybe I should get certified and how to do this 550 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: and maybe teach parents. UM. But I I initially found 551 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,479 Speaker 1: that it was really nice for parents to you know, 552 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: do a little massage during bathtime or after bathtime, you know, 553 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: with a nice lab and no and it's it might 554 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,719 Speaker 1: sound really cute, but usually it's like because there in 555 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: the room that's really warm with the hair dryer going 556 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: on because that loud noise. Again, it is comforting to them, 557 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: or you're talking a lot of them, right. But then 558 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: I started noticing that I would do it instinctively a 559 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: lot when I had clients with babies who were really 560 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: gassy and very uncomfortable. Um, and so you know, really 561 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: rubbing their stomach and kind of squishing very gently their insides, 562 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: drubbing their back, burping them in a specific way, um, 563 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 1: and noticing that you know, the babies really liked it, 564 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: you know, stroking their feet and their hands and their 565 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: head um and kind of just like dozing off into 566 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: like wonderland when you're you know, stroking them and stuff. 567 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: So very informally, but it's it's very laxing for me 568 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: too and for the babies. So I know that your 569 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: passion came from witnessing your mother give birth to your 570 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: younger siblings. So please tell us about that, because that's 571 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: one thing we do have in comment. And it kind 572 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: of scared me away from Okay, so yeah, well I 573 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: didn't actually see them come out, but I was at 574 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: the hospital both times, and um, it scared me because 575 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: I had never heard my mom kind of turned into 576 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: like this animal. Um. I think a lot of parents 577 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: and moms don't really realize, like, when you are giving birth, 578 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: you're the primal part of your brain is turned on. 579 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: So I've actually had clients where English is their second language, 580 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,239 Speaker 1: and so when they're giving birth, their mother tongue is 581 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: the only thing that they can process. Like, they know English, 582 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: they know We've had this whole relationship the whole time, 583 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: but in the throes of labor and the throes of transition, 584 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: they can't process what I'm saying because they can only 585 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: process things in their mother tongue. Um. So the primal 586 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: brain that comes out the noises and the grunts and 587 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: they're getting low to the ground, that's all normal, that's 588 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: all natural. Um. So I wasn't used to that though, 589 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: because you know, it was my me and my mom 590 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: and she was not never like that. So it did 591 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: scare me a little bit. But what really got me 592 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: interested in it was seeing how her postpartum experience was. Um, 593 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: you know, she had me a lot younger, and when 594 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: she did have me, she had a lot of family, friends, 595 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: community helping her. Um Like, we were never alone basically, 596 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: which was great. And then no, my my parents got 597 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: married and moved to a different city. We were very 598 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: far away from family and friends, and doulas weren't really 599 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: a thing, and I don't think we would have had 600 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: the money at the time to afford one. UM, And 601 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: it was hard. I know, I saw that it was 602 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: hard for my mom, especially when my second sister came. 603 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: So my sisters are a year and a half apart, 604 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: so you know, no babies for a long time, and 605 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: then banded like two babies really close back together, and 606 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: with my dad working and so I you know, I 607 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: saw it affected her. And you know, she might have 608 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: even had a little postpart and mood disorder, which a 609 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: lot of women have, not talking at all um. And 610 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: I just remember I was so excited to be a sister, 611 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: like I just wanted to do everything. Sure, I'll change 612 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: the dapper, I'll feed her, I'll do this, I'll do everything. 613 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: And I just remember my mom would like breastfeed her 614 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: and then just like want to read Harry Potter. She 615 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: didn't want to do very much else for like a 616 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And it didn't really phase me at 617 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: the time, But now that I'm looking back, I'm like, yeah, 618 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,720 Speaker 1: that that's not really that normal. She probably was going 619 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: through some things and needed some help. But you know, 620 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: a lot of the times parents don't know what to recognize, 621 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: partners don't know what to recognize, right, um. And so 622 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: I just I was really sad that we didn't have 623 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: that community because obviously, if I grew up with that 624 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden wasn't there, I noticed 625 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: there was something missing, and so it just got me 626 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: interested in the whole idea of pregnancy and babies and 627 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: the woman's body. And I just became really passionate about 628 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: that and your periods and your hormones. And I would 629 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: come home after school and I would watch a baby 630 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: story on TLC like all the time. It was like 631 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,240 Speaker 1: that weird kid that was just like all about it. Um. 632 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: And then in university I ended a session with midwives 633 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: UM and was like enthralled with what they do, but 634 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: knew that I was not about to go back to 635 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 1: school to do chemistry and biology, no way. And also 636 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: I didn't want the medical responsibility because again there's so 637 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: much charting and all the stuff that the nurses and 638 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: doctors and midwives have to do. That of course, they 639 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,399 Speaker 1: want to support their clients as much as they can, 640 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: but they have so many things that they have to 641 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: keep track of, um, that they can't really be there 642 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: for the those moments that I love as a dula um. 643 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: And so this midwife told me about dula work and 644 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: that's kind of what got me excited about it, and 645 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,399 Speaker 1: the rest is history. How did your mom feel about 646 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: you being a doula? Oh it was. Everyone was like 647 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 1: finally because I had been doing corporay, I had been 648 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: doing you know, HR corporate sales. I was like this, 649 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: you know, business woman and working downtown and I was 650 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: good at it, and for the most part, I enjoyed it. 651 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: But it got to a point where I was like, okay, 652 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: this is this is this it. You know, for some 653 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: people that's all they want, and I give all the 654 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: power to them. But for me, um, it didn't really 655 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: light me up. And so tell me about it. Yeah, 656 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: I feel you. And I mean, growing up, I was 657 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: the babysitter on the street. I took care of every 658 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: one's babies, and you know, I just it was very easy. 659 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: It came naturally to me. And so when I decided 660 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: to do this whole time, everyone was very happy and 661 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: X finally expecting it. Oh listen, I wanted to know 662 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: if you ever experience a state of emergency and if so, 663 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: what did you do in that situation? Mm hmmm. I 664 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: am very lucky that I personally haven't. Um, I personally haven't, 665 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: but I have had a couple of DOLA colleagues, uh, 666 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: you know, debrief with me at a traumatic experience that 667 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: they've had. You know, where you know, the baby was 668 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: just born. You know, the pediatrician came in to look 669 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: at the baby, give the baby back to the mom, 670 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: and you know, in those two hours after the birth happens, 671 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: you're kind of just they're talking with the family and 672 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: you know, um, the doctor had left, and then the 673 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: doula went over and picked up the baby from the 674 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 1: mom and the baby was very limp and gray. Um 675 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: in that moment, she knew that baby hadn't been breathing 676 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: and was about to go get dad, to run out 677 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: and get a nurse, but thankfully another nurse had coming 678 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: right away and just kind of handed the baby right 679 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: to The nurse was like, this baby is not breathing, 680 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: and then you know they had to go do it 681 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: the whole resuscitation and all of that. So that's why 682 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: they say, like, obviously you have to be vigilant around 683 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: never leaving a baby alone and making sure they have 684 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: clear ways to breathe and all of that. Um. I've 685 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 1: had a doula where the midwife didn't make it in 686 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: time to the birth, so it kind of was an 687 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: unintentional and assisted birth, which as doulas we are discouraged 688 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: from going too because again, if anything happens, we could 689 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: be reliable for that. Um. But you know, the doula 690 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: just coached the mom and the dad threw it and 691 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: they caught their own baby, and my wife finally was 692 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: able to come, as you was very relieved, but also 693 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: very stressed, um, because the placenta was taking a while 694 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: to be born and all these things that we know 695 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,399 Speaker 1: need to happen in insequential order for things to be 696 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 1: like a normal kind of natural birth, I guess in 697 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: a sense. Um, So if that just stuff doesn't happen 698 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: in a good amount of time. Amusing air quotes here, 699 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: you know, you get a little bit concerned, especially if 700 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,839 Speaker 1: there's no medical authority there. But hopefully I don't have that. 701 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: But yes, I've heard many stories. How can women who 702 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: are high risk benefit from doula's doing pre anti impulse 703 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: natal that's a great question. You could have a doula 704 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 1: no matter what I would But I would say, especially 705 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: for women who are high risk, whether it's like you said, 706 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: um pre or post, that having that extra personal professional 707 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: support system to prepare you as best as possible and 708 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,240 Speaker 1: for you to know that you have that professional support 709 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: can really be a peace of mind and also be 710 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: a level of preparation UM and also a way to 711 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: help you advocate for yourself. So let's just say that 712 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,240 Speaker 1: you are someone who really really wants a natural birth, 713 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: but then you are you know, diagnosed with gestational diabetes 714 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: and now you're considered high risk and you can no 715 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: longer maybe have a midwife, and now you have to 716 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: give birth to the hospital UM and maybe maybe the 717 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: hospital in your area that you it's you love it, 718 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: it's great, but maybe they have a high rate of interventions, 719 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, giving you different drugs or technologies to augment 720 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: or change birth. Right. That's kind of what an intervention 721 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: is called. So epidurals, potos in or steps, vacuum c section, 722 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: these are all interventions. UM. Again, we want I want 723 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: to put the caveat out there that we're grateful for 724 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: these technologies when they are needed. Sometimes they are offered 725 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 1: or given when they're not. And that's not for me 726 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: to always say, because I'm not the medical professional. But 727 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: for the families who have had them done and didn't 728 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: feel like they were necessary, it can be traumatic. And 729 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,439 Speaker 1: so having that do LA there to coach you through 730 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: that decision, or to coach you through accepting that this 731 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: is what has to happen now for you in the 732 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,240 Speaker 1: health of the baby can be that much a better 733 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: outcome for you and your partner than you just being 734 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: there by yourselves having to have these things happen to you. 735 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: Quote unquote, it has been said and witnessed that black 736 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,439 Speaker 1: women in the United States are experiencing poor maternal health 737 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: outcomes which leads to death related to pregnancy or childbirth. 738 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that? Ah, it's a fact. Um, 739 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: you know people want to may be contested. UM, I've 740 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: had there's a colleague kind of in this space. You've 741 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,879 Speaker 1: actually he started an Instagram page. I think it's called 742 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: Toronto Birth Stories, UM, Black birth Stories, and so midwives 743 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: and other individuals are collecting these stories of these black families, Um, 744 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 1: you know, and where they've gone in and said they're 745 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: an incredible amount of pain, and their pain has been 746 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:18,399 Speaker 1: ignored or diminished or cluriously um, which, like you said, 747 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: in some cases can can lead to death, which some 748 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: cases can lead to a c section that maybe could 749 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: have prevented. UM. I think it's there's two levels here. 750 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: There's like the ignoring and not taking seriously of women 751 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 1: in general, and then they added weight of being a 752 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: woman of color. Um. Because I've also had other women 753 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 1: where you know, they weren't screaming and raving and doing 754 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 1: all these things because they had to do la and 755 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,439 Speaker 1: they were working with their partners to breathe through their pain. 756 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 1: And so the nurses and the doctors didn't believe that 757 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: she was as far along as she could be because 758 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: in their mind, I don't know, a for you to 759 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: be far along, you need to be screaming and all 760 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,959 Speaker 1: these kinds of things. If you don't take the upper 761 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: droll that we offer to right keep pushing. Please check her, 762 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: Please check her, Please check her finely. They did, and 763 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,359 Speaker 1: when they checked her when she came in at three 764 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: centimeters an hour and a half two hours later, she 765 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 1: was fully dilated, which we kind of knew, you know, 766 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: forty five to an hour before we talk to them, 767 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: and now they're like, oh my gosh, you're ten centimeters. 768 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: Now they're running around and there's all this this chaotic 769 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: energy that's not going to be affecting the birth. Um, 770 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: when it comes to black women, you know, as a DULA, 771 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,839 Speaker 1: we're not again here to advocate for anybody, but just 772 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: having the presence of another woman, another person, another black person, 773 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 1: a professional black person with the black family, puts a 774 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:43,399 Speaker 1: different I I feel like, puts a different level of awareness, um, 775 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: you know, into the room of the other professionals. And 776 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: again I'm not here to say that they're to vilify 777 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: them or anything, but um, it's almost like a witness 778 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 1: And as humans, we need witnesses to our pain, we 779 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: need witnesses to our pleasure, We need witnesses to our 780 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 1: triumphs and our and our losses. And having someone like 781 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: myself as a guide and a witness to any of that, 782 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: I hope would only add a benefit. And would you know, 783 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: help other people who are helping quote unquote these women, 784 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,359 Speaker 1: you know, pull up their bootstraps and provide the best 785 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 1: possible health services they can. Mhm. In these cases, what 786 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 1: do you recommend that black women do to ensure that 787 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,839 Speaker 1: they are being hurt and treat it fairly. Yeah, so 788 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,720 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, with it's it's hard because 789 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: you don't want to add any extra work to the 790 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: person who's laboring, because labor, it's called labor, it's work. 791 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 1: You know, you're already trying to focus. So hopefully if 792 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: you have another person or partner or husband whatever with you, 793 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: you know them keeping track of how things are progressing. 794 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: You know what the doctors saying, and when you know, 795 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: if you refused X, Y Z option that they gave you, 796 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 1: you write that down. You make sure that they write 797 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,320 Speaker 1: that down in their notes. Um, so that if something 798 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,400 Speaker 1: goes any which way, you have your own proof of 799 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 1: what really happened. Um. And then I always do like 800 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of practice scenarios with my clients on 801 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 1: them being able to what I call flex their no 802 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 1: muscle or flex their asking questions muscle like that. Yeah, 803 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: and just if it's easier in the moment when things 804 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 1: are chaotic and your emotions are high, if you've already 805 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: practiced it, you know, so the dot Let's say the 806 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: doctor comes in and you know you're in a lot 807 00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: of pain. It's very obvious that you're a lot of 808 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 1: pain and they're trying to offer you epidrol and you're 809 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: not opposed to it, but you want to give it 810 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,839 Speaker 1: a little bit more of a go um until you 811 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 1: refuse or you ask them questions. You know, okay, well 812 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 1: what's when's the next possible time that I could get 813 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: infragel if I just want to wait a little bit longer, 814 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: and if they say, well, you know, the anes thesologist 815 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 1: is going to be going into a C section soon, 816 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,799 Speaker 1: so you know, if you want it, you gotta kind 817 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: of have to take it now. Sometimes they push you 818 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 1: to make these decisions, which is not always a bad thing. 819 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,720 Speaker 1: You know, you want to know that the um anesthetologist 820 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: is going to be blocked up for three hours and 821 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: you know by then you can have the baby, but 822 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: you know, practicing being able to pays or another emnesty 823 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: bologist that's coming on call. Um, you know, what are 824 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,759 Speaker 1: the other pain medications that I could have right now 825 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 1: other than nupper drill? Can I walk around? You know, 826 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 1: asking your ob team in my free team beforehand, what 827 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,359 Speaker 1: ways are you comfortable with me birthing? Do I have 828 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: to be lying on my back? You know, because for 829 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people. Lying on your back to give 830 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:26,879 Speaker 1: birth is completely physiologically unintuitive. Um. No, on all four 831 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 1: is squatting. All of that is working with gravity. Why 832 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,720 Speaker 1: do we lie on our backs? Because it was easier 833 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 1: for the male doctors to see when they were helping 834 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 1: us skip birth. I don't like your energy because no, 835 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 1: I mean for some women it's flying. You knows when 836 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: they tried on the floor and didn't work for them, 837 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: and on the bath it was just I love it. 838 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,840 Speaker 1: But ask them because you want to know. If this 839 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 1: doctor is like, oh no, I'm prefare this, then you 840 00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,759 Speaker 1: can make your decision if you want to stay with 841 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 1: them or you want to go somewhere else. You always 842 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 1: have that choice. So I'm all about having choice. You 843 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 1: better ask the question so that you can't say I 844 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: didn't know. That's the worst thing that could happen. I 845 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,200 Speaker 1: feel like if where the family is, I wish I 846 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 1: knew that because you can't go back now they have 847 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: to deal with this traumatic experience. Um, when they really 848 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: could have been more empowered. Last, and not least. If 849 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,680 Speaker 1: someone is interested in embarking on this journey of becoming adula, 850 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,840 Speaker 1: what is some advice you would give to them. Oh um, okay, 851 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: first would be really sink in and ask yourself why 852 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: why do you want to become adula? UM. You know, 853 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of goes back to that Simon Sinek and 854 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 1: Ted talk about you know, what is your why? What 855 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 1: is your reason you're driving force for this, because again, 856 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,759 Speaker 1: depending on where you are in your life circumstance, you know, 857 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,719 Speaker 1: are you ready and willing to leave your children to 858 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,239 Speaker 1: help someone else with their children, whether that's for an 859 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 1: overnight shift or at a birth. Um is your reason 860 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 1: for wanting to become adula because you had a very 861 00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: negative traumatic experience and you feel like you want to 862 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 1: save quote unquote someone else, which is very endearing, but 863 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: it's also potentially not the right energy to bring into 864 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,920 Speaker 1: someone else's birthing experience because it's going to be a 865 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,759 Speaker 1: completely different experience to yours and you don't want to 866 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 1: have your energy put on them. And also, um, get 867 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 1: ready to release all of your biases otherwise you may struggle. 868 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: So one of the first things we did when I 869 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 1: was doing my DULA training was a bias exercise, So 870 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,759 Speaker 1: you know, we were there was a piece of paper 871 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 1: and asked us questions like you know, how would you 872 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,280 Speaker 1: feel working with a family or a birthing person who 873 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,280 Speaker 1: you know is addicted to drugs, or is a single parent, 874 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,320 Speaker 1: or is a teen parent. Um, you know you both 875 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: know that they're in an actively violent relationship. UM, you 876 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 1: know this person has this view, is about circumcision or 877 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,960 Speaker 1: what have you. Are you willing and ready to put 878 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,759 Speaker 1: aside whatever your beliefs are to support this person. If 879 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 1: you can say yes, then this work might be a 880 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,439 Speaker 1: little bit easier for you to get into. If you're 881 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,040 Speaker 1: very strong held and some of those beliefs, then you're 882 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: going to have to market yourself as such. Let you 883 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,600 Speaker 1: attract those clients. Otherwise it could be hard for you 884 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 1: and hard for your clients if you know your beliefs 885 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 1: are that much different than theirs. So and then really 886 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,759 Speaker 1: do your research to find good doula trainings, especially if 887 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,880 Speaker 1: you're a dula, a black doulah or doula of color. 888 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: You know the Terra Black Doula Society, we are coming 889 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,640 Speaker 1: up with our own doula training. How to be an 890 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 1: enterances birth worker, you know, a trauma informed birth worker. 891 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 1: You know, this industry for a long time has been 892 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:39,279 Speaker 1: dominated by you know, white cis heterosexual women. UM, and 893 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 1: it's changing, but the training isn't catching up as quickly. 894 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 1: So you know, doing your own work, reading your own 895 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 1: books outside of your training to make sure that you 896 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,720 Speaker 1: UM understand culturally. If you were working with a black family, 897 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,279 Speaker 1: the support that you give them, it's going to be 898 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,200 Speaker 1: different and it should be. Then you know, a very 899 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,359 Speaker 1: well off white family, UM, still great support professional all 900 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 1: of that, but you're going to have to obviously acknowledge 901 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,960 Speaker 1: and accept the oppression or the privilege that those clients 902 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,799 Speaker 1: have and support them accordingly. M Yo, I am like 903 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,800 Speaker 1: so proud of myself because I really took my time 904 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,760 Speaker 1: with trying to locate a doula that will be able 905 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:26,040 Speaker 1: to express an articulate all the information that was needed, 906 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,960 Speaker 1: especially for those that are not familiar with the responsibilities 907 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,720 Speaker 1: and the roll of with a doula. UM. Do so 908 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,720 Speaker 1: as soon as that g're ready to have a baby, 909 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,960 Speaker 1: you will be the first person I called because you 910 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,719 Speaker 1: have sold me. And even though all of my guests 911 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 1: are anonymous, please feel free to email me and hello 912 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,239 Speaker 1: at the PhD podcast dot com, UM if you want 913 00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,560 Speaker 1: to learn more about my guests. I think she was 914 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:54,600 Speaker 1: just hands down amazing. Thank you so much again, eben 915 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,000 Speaker 1: A for having this platform and doing the work that 916 00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 1: you do. And I love that it's anonymous, and you know, 917 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: people can really feel safe and connected, So thank you 918 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,399 Speaker 1: so much. Absolutely, absolutely, you know, I'm just on here, 919 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: just doing the Lord's work, chial that can be definitely 920 00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,840 Speaker 1: be lonely, but it's definitely rewarding. So if you'll have 921 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,520 Speaker 1: any questions to my guests, comments, concerns, if you want 922 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,480 Speaker 1: to say hey girl, hey to me, please make sure 923 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,520 Speaker 1: to email me, hit me up on Instagram, at the 924 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,360 Speaker 1: PhD podcast, at the Professional Home Girl, and to my guests, 925 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,319 Speaker 1: thank you so much and until next time. Later