1 00:00:15,264 --> 00:00:23,344 Speaker 1: Pushkin. I'm Corey Ska and I co edited the Etiquette 2 00:00:23,344 --> 00:00:26,144 Speaker 1: Guide for New York Magazine, and it's the story of 3 00:00:26,184 --> 00:00:30,104 Speaker 1: the week. One of the things they never told me 4 00:00:30,144 --> 00:00:32,704 Speaker 1: about getting old is that I no longer know how 5 00:00:32,704 --> 00:00:36,264 Speaker 1: to behave in polite society. I'm just doing stuff the 6 00:00:36,264 --> 00:00:39,144 Speaker 1: way I've always done it for fifty one years. I'm 7 00:00:39,264 --> 00:00:42,744 Speaker 1: utterly oblivious to the fact that I'm the only one 8 00:00:42,864 --> 00:00:47,144 Speaker 1: left announcing my three pronouns instead of two. I'm out 9 00:00:47,184 --> 00:00:51,104 Speaker 1: there saying I'm a he h his like some kind 10 00:00:51,104 --> 00:00:54,904 Speaker 1: of geezer. So when New York Magazine published a cover 11 00:00:55,024 --> 00:00:58,664 Speaker 1: story listing more than a hundred ninety four updated rules 12 00:00:58,704 --> 00:01:02,144 Speaker 1: for existing in polite society, I was not surprised at 13 00:01:02,144 --> 00:01:05,704 Speaker 1: all that it went viral. I'm so old I didn't 14 00:01:05,744 --> 00:01:08,544 Speaker 1: even understand some of the questions that they printed on 15 00:01:08,624 --> 00:01:11,664 Speaker 1: the cover in this huge font so that at least 16 00:01:11,664 --> 00:01:14,744 Speaker 1: I could read it. Do I have to heart their 17 00:01:14,824 --> 00:01:19,224 Speaker 1: heart emoji? Do I have to heart their heart emoji? 18 00:01:19,864 --> 00:01:21,784 Speaker 1: That makes about as much sense to me as the 19 00:01:21,904 --> 00:01:24,824 Speaker 1: number of dances you're allowed to have with one lady 20 00:01:24,944 --> 00:01:28,624 Speaker 1: and a Jane Austin novel before you're officially engaged. Do 21 00:01:28,704 --> 00:01:37,904 Speaker 1: I have to heart their heart emoji. Writing is hard. 22 00:01:38,104 --> 00:01:41,424 Speaker 1: Who's got that kind of time when you're already busy 23 00:01:41,544 --> 00:01:44,744 Speaker 1: trying to be john Stein? So it turns on a mic, 24 00:01:44,944 --> 00:01:48,624 Speaker 1: maybe twiddles a knob because a journalist Frand has got 25 00:01:48,624 --> 00:01:53,304 Speaker 1: in that jewel jib. Heart atory single story. Just listen 26 00:01:53,384 --> 00:02:00,664 Speaker 1: to smart people speak, conversation. Feeling information is a story up. 27 00:02:10,704 --> 00:02:14,664 Speaker 1: Corey Ska, who's exactly my age, co edited New York 28 00:02:14,704 --> 00:02:18,544 Speaker 1: Magazine's cover article on the new Etiquette Rules, and I 29 00:02:18,624 --> 00:02:20,944 Speaker 1: had a lot of issues I wanted to bring up 30 00:02:20,944 --> 00:02:23,504 Speaker 1: with him about it. I'm sensing that you have some 31 00:02:23,584 --> 00:02:25,944 Speaker 1: bones to pick here. I have an entire skeleton to 32 00:02:25,984 --> 00:02:30,264 Speaker 1: pick here. Oh no, I'm sure you're used to this 33 00:02:30,544 --> 00:02:34,144 Speaker 1: now that you're an etiquette person, but I'm going to 34 00:02:34,184 --> 00:02:36,464 Speaker 1: be coming at your heart. Some of this just doesn't 35 00:02:36,504 --> 00:02:39,944 Speaker 1: sit well with me. I'm afraid and excited. But thank 36 00:02:39,944 --> 00:02:43,224 Speaker 1: you for the warning. That's great etiquette from you. Oh 37 00:02:43,264 --> 00:02:46,624 Speaker 1: there you go. Well that you really judoed me there. 38 00:02:46,384 --> 00:02:48,424 Speaker 1: We had to be tricky in the etiquette business. I've 39 00:02:48,504 --> 00:02:52,384 Speaker 1: learned quickly. How did this list come about? Like? Whose 40 00:02:52,384 --> 00:02:54,704 Speaker 1: idea was it? And why? Sure? So our lives have 41 00:02:54,864 --> 00:02:56,944 Speaker 1: changed a lot in the last couple of years. Perhaps 42 00:02:56,984 --> 00:02:59,384 Speaker 1: you noticed those of us who didn't die in the 43 00:02:59,424 --> 00:03:02,264 Speaker 1: pandemic had our lives change in different ways. So we 44 00:03:02,344 --> 00:03:06,984 Speaker 1: set out to address how to behave now, from situations 45 00:03:06,984 --> 00:03:11,304 Speaker 1: like the workplace to the subway to the mean streets. 46 00:03:11,544 --> 00:03:13,864 Speaker 1: So the guide is a set of almost two hundred 47 00:03:13,944 --> 00:03:17,984 Speaker 1: rules that we hope will help make people's lives a 48 00:03:18,024 --> 00:03:20,904 Speaker 1: tiny bit better. When's the last time someone tried something 49 00:03:20,944 --> 00:03:24,464 Speaker 1: like this. It was nineteen forty five. No, so like 50 00:03:24,504 --> 00:03:27,264 Speaker 1: etiquette's like a big business in America, and the big 51 00:03:27,264 --> 00:03:29,704 Speaker 1: ones in the game, you know, still have advice columns 52 00:03:29,744 --> 00:03:32,424 Speaker 1: that run in newspapers. Steels different than like giving us 53 00:03:32,464 --> 00:03:35,504 Speaker 1: concrete rules to live by. Though, Yeah, it's been a 54 00:03:35,504 --> 00:03:37,904 Speaker 1: few decades and someone's really tried to do this, and 55 00:03:38,984 --> 00:03:41,904 Speaker 1: it feels like which weirdly feels overdue. I think I 56 00:03:41,944 --> 00:03:46,184 Speaker 1: think it really saved me from old manism in many 57 00:03:46,264 --> 00:03:49,144 Speaker 1: many ways. Old men like you need help to so 58 00:03:49,264 --> 00:03:52,504 Speaker 1: much help. No, but this is such a need right now. 59 00:03:52,544 --> 00:03:57,104 Speaker 1: In the last five years, the world, especially the social world, 60 00:03:57,104 --> 00:03:59,904 Speaker 1: has changed. It's not just social media. It's not just 61 00:03:59,984 --> 00:04:03,224 Speaker 1: how much more political we've gotten, but it's it's kind 62 00:04:03,224 --> 00:04:06,744 Speaker 1: of this great shift, which is really what the political 63 00:04:06,784 --> 00:04:09,224 Speaker 1: fight is about. You know, if you take all all 64 00:04:09,264 --> 00:04:12,904 Speaker 1: the issues that people are getting upset about just knowing 65 00:04:12,904 --> 00:04:15,184 Speaker 1: when to bring up your pronouns, Like, there's just all 66 00:04:15,304 --> 00:04:18,304 Speaker 1: kinds of new etiquette rules, and thank god New York 67 00:04:18,344 --> 00:04:20,984 Speaker 1: Magazine is here for do this. Well, you know, we're 68 00:04:21,024 --> 00:04:24,704 Speaker 1: the obvious choice to tell people how to behave in America. 69 00:04:25,464 --> 00:04:28,504 Speaker 1: One thing I really liked about this list was that 70 00:04:28,544 --> 00:04:32,384 Speaker 1: you said you road tested all this advice. At some 71 00:04:32,424 --> 00:04:34,584 Speaker 1: point you had thought that a great way to end 72 00:04:34,584 --> 00:04:37,264 Speaker 1: the conversation is to say to someone at the party, 73 00:04:37,544 --> 00:04:40,384 Speaker 1: it's been great to chat, And then you tried that out, 74 00:04:40,664 --> 00:04:43,104 Speaker 1: and of course that did not work. So well, No, 75 00:04:43,264 --> 00:04:45,864 Speaker 1: it's terrible. It was terrible. It's very embarrassing. It's been 76 00:04:45,904 --> 00:04:48,144 Speaker 1: great to chat just literally just says like, you know, 77 00:04:48,344 --> 00:04:51,584 Speaker 1: fuck you. It's like, but it really helped, like really 78 00:04:51,624 --> 00:04:53,984 Speaker 1: just like trying out with people's lives and caring from 79 00:04:54,344 --> 00:04:56,744 Speaker 1: parents and non parents and younger and older, like all 80 00:04:56,784 --> 00:04:59,064 Speaker 1: that stuff really got us to a pretty solid place. 81 00:04:59,464 --> 00:05:01,224 Speaker 1: What were some of the things you road tested that 82 00:05:01,304 --> 00:05:04,944 Speaker 1: didn't work that you took off the list? You know, 83 00:05:05,664 --> 00:05:07,744 Speaker 1: I can tell you where I feel like we fell apart. 84 00:05:07,784 --> 00:05:12,064 Speaker 1: For sure. We worked really hard on rules about going 85 00:05:12,104 --> 00:05:14,744 Speaker 1: to people's homes that ask you to take your shoes off. 86 00:05:15,424 --> 00:05:17,224 Speaker 1: That's a big one. That's a big one. And I 87 00:05:17,824 --> 00:05:19,584 Speaker 1: am strongly of the opinion that you should be ready 88 00:05:19,584 --> 00:05:21,704 Speaker 1: to drop your shoes the drop of a hat. We 89 00:05:21,784 --> 00:05:24,544 Speaker 1: have a no shoe rule policy in our house, and 90 00:05:24,624 --> 00:05:27,344 Speaker 1: I feel I feel like we're just pissing people off. 91 00:05:28,624 --> 00:05:30,664 Speaker 1: But you're at the leading edge of where this is 92 00:05:30,704 --> 00:05:32,744 Speaker 1: going once you start thinking about it's common sense. You 93 00:05:32,744 --> 00:05:35,424 Speaker 1: have children, right, I do have a thirteen year old? 94 00:05:35,504 --> 00:05:37,344 Speaker 1: Oh my god? So yeah, do you want them tracking 95 00:05:37,344 --> 00:05:40,024 Speaker 1: whatever they're doing into the house and their shoes? Now, 96 00:05:40,064 --> 00:05:41,504 Speaker 1: what do you think thirteen year olds are up to? 97 00:05:41,704 --> 00:05:43,624 Speaker 1: They're just on their phones all day. Do you think 98 00:05:43,784 --> 00:05:45,544 Speaker 1: they're out playing in the dirt? Like, what are you 99 00:05:45,584 --> 00:05:48,504 Speaker 1: assuming about kids? I assume they're just in like needles 100 00:05:48,544 --> 00:05:55,064 Speaker 1: somewhere like but like New York magazine, they in the 101 00:05:55,104 --> 00:05:58,504 Speaker 1: crack dens at thirteen. I don't know. But we just 102 00:05:58,584 --> 00:06:00,104 Speaker 1: didn't get there on that. There was a lot of 103 00:06:00,184 --> 00:06:03,024 Speaker 1: argument about that, and we tried things on and I 104 00:06:03,184 --> 00:06:06,184 Speaker 1: just in the end had to say to like, we 105 00:06:06,224 --> 00:06:07,944 Speaker 1: just had to give it up because white people won't 106 00:06:07,984 --> 00:06:11,384 Speaker 1: give up. There's a attachment to shoes indoors steppling their 107 00:06:11,384 --> 00:06:16,224 Speaker 1: own airplanes. Then they come right off or honestly, sometimes 108 00:06:16,224 --> 00:06:18,464 Speaker 1: when they're in the office where people take off their shoes, 109 00:06:18,504 --> 00:06:20,904 Speaker 1: a surprising come out. Well, that was one of your rules, right, 110 00:06:20,984 --> 00:06:23,144 Speaker 1: keep your damn shoes out of the office. I can't 111 00:06:23,144 --> 00:06:24,984 Speaker 1: believe this had to be said. I'm sorry, I'm gonna 112 00:06:24,984 --> 00:06:27,744 Speaker 1: get yelled at work now for this, but it was unreal. 113 00:06:28,104 --> 00:06:30,784 Speaker 1: And some of these are not serious recommendations. Some of 114 00:06:30,784 --> 00:06:34,144 Speaker 1: these are just jokes, right, like number thirty eight. Number 115 00:06:34,184 --> 00:06:38,224 Speaker 1: thirty eight is always wink like oh everywhere, even at 116 00:06:38,264 --> 00:06:43,264 Speaker 1: like a person with one eye. Come on, I mean, 117 00:06:43,264 --> 00:06:44,824 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of context with everything. But you 118 00:06:44,824 --> 00:06:46,584 Speaker 1: know what, I think that we really wanted to reclaim 119 00:06:46,624 --> 00:06:49,984 Speaker 1: winking for our time, like winking got a wrap up 120 00:06:50,024 --> 00:06:52,504 Speaker 1: being the province of sleazy old man such as ourselves. 121 00:06:52,864 --> 00:06:55,184 Speaker 1: But I actually think it's charming and I think we 122 00:06:55,224 --> 00:06:59,024 Speaker 1: need to bring it back. Really is this charming? Well, 123 00:06:59,144 --> 00:07:03,344 Speaker 1: I think context maybe any practice, it feels intimate here 124 00:07:03,784 --> 00:07:06,984 Speaker 1: to me, this list sounds like it was written by 125 00:07:07,024 --> 00:07:12,544 Speaker 1: some extremely socially anxious people like ignore your coworkers if 126 00:07:12,584 --> 00:07:15,424 Speaker 1: you see them on the subway. Don't talk about people's 127 00:07:15,464 --> 00:07:18,944 Speaker 1: food because they might have food trauma. You can cancel 128 00:07:19,064 --> 00:07:23,024 Speaker 1: any social plan for any reason up to two hours 129 00:07:23,024 --> 00:07:26,304 Speaker 1: before it starts. It's just like it's all like avoid 130 00:07:26,424 --> 00:07:29,784 Speaker 1: social interaction, and then oh, if you have a good 131 00:07:29,824 --> 00:07:33,624 Speaker 1: social interaction, you have to text people within three hours 132 00:07:33,624 --> 00:07:35,944 Speaker 1: to tell all of them you had a good social interaction. 133 00:07:36,664 --> 00:07:39,824 Speaker 1: It just seems like this list needs some therapy. So 134 00:07:40,184 --> 00:07:42,104 Speaker 1: one of the things that's interesting about etiquette as it 135 00:07:42,184 --> 00:07:45,984 Speaker 1: changes over time is that generational shifts happen, right, and 136 00:07:46,064 --> 00:07:50,544 Speaker 1: so we're seeing some things that are alien to us 137 00:07:50,784 --> 00:07:53,184 Speaker 1: nice gen X folks who are perfect in every way. 138 00:07:53,264 --> 00:07:56,824 Speaker 1: I think we can agree for sure that millennials are different, 139 00:07:56,864 --> 00:08:00,664 Speaker 1: and their generation after them is definitely different too. There 140 00:08:00,664 --> 00:08:03,824 Speaker 1: are things that will send millennials over the edge that 141 00:08:04,664 --> 00:08:08,184 Speaker 1: would not phase your I and vice versa. So I 142 00:08:08,504 --> 00:08:12,904 Speaker 1: think if you're detecting a strain of like over communication 143 00:08:14,424 --> 00:08:18,624 Speaker 1: and anxiety, I think that's related to a generation that 144 00:08:18,664 --> 00:08:21,264 Speaker 1: grew up being able to communicate immediately with phones, for 145 00:08:21,344 --> 00:08:24,384 Speaker 1: one thing, and also just has a different sense of 146 00:08:24,464 --> 00:08:30,824 Speaker 1: values around everything from consent to the workplace and like 147 00:08:31,104 --> 00:08:34,264 Speaker 1: they're different and like and these rules in the world 148 00:08:34,264 --> 00:08:37,464 Speaker 1: are changing because this next generation is different, and honestly, 149 00:08:37,504 --> 00:08:40,064 Speaker 1: for the most part, I'm into it. Oh yes, So now, 150 00:08:40,864 --> 00:08:42,544 Speaker 1: just because you're the co editor, I'm going to go 151 00:08:42,544 --> 00:08:44,744 Speaker 1: ahead and just blame you for every item on the 152 00:08:44,744 --> 00:08:47,184 Speaker 1: list that I hated, which is what you're hearing from everyone. 153 00:08:47,304 --> 00:08:49,144 Speaker 1: What I deserve, This is what I deserve. And the 154 00:08:49,144 --> 00:08:51,264 Speaker 1: one that I think you're getting the most criticism on 155 00:08:51,344 --> 00:08:54,944 Speaker 1: is number twelve, which includes the phrase if oh, you're 156 00:08:54,984 --> 00:08:58,344 Speaker 1: you're raising your hand in triumph. Here ready, I'm ready 157 00:08:58,504 --> 00:09:01,544 Speaker 1: take it. You know this one, it contains the phrase 158 00:09:01,944 --> 00:09:05,944 Speaker 1: if you penetrate, you pay, and you're not you're not 159 00:09:06,144 --> 00:09:09,584 Speaker 1: talking about putin, You're talking about sex here. This is 160 00:09:09,624 --> 00:09:12,704 Speaker 1: making people mad, right Well, this one's up for debate. 161 00:09:12,744 --> 00:09:15,904 Speaker 1: It's interesting. Listen, I've been out of the dating game 162 00:09:15,944 --> 00:09:18,504 Speaker 1: for a long time. I've had a joint bank account 163 00:09:18,504 --> 00:09:21,184 Speaker 1: for decades now. But but I feel like, you know, 164 00:09:21,224 --> 00:09:23,184 Speaker 1: it was time for a rule around this, and you 165 00:09:23,224 --> 00:09:25,224 Speaker 1: know what, and also it's time to make light of 166 00:09:25,264 --> 00:09:26,744 Speaker 1: this a little bit. There's a little bit of this 167 00:09:26,824 --> 00:09:31,064 Speaker 1: rule that's literally saying like we've gotten so serious and 168 00:09:31,264 --> 00:09:34,704 Speaker 1: so uptight about dates and paying and gender roles, and 169 00:09:35,184 --> 00:09:37,344 Speaker 1: especially at the time when gender is like getting nuked 170 00:09:37,384 --> 00:09:39,984 Speaker 1: from space in a good way. I just think, like, 171 00:09:40,184 --> 00:09:41,384 Speaker 1: you know, what, if you want to be, if you 172 00:09:41,424 --> 00:09:42,864 Speaker 1: want to be the big boss of the date with 173 00:09:42,904 --> 00:09:45,864 Speaker 1: about your checkbook, it's good. Also, let me let me 174 00:09:45,904 --> 00:09:49,064 Speaker 1: respect the non penetrative date stuff. So I'm wondering about 175 00:09:49,344 --> 00:09:54,424 Speaker 1: or the double penetrative dates. Listen, your night is your night. 176 00:09:54,784 --> 00:09:58,064 Speaker 1: Here's a question now that we're talking about this. What 177 00:09:58,184 --> 00:10:01,224 Speaker 1: if you're a couple and you're going out on a 178 00:10:01,344 --> 00:10:05,424 Speaker 1: date with a throttle do you split that bill down 179 00:10:05,504 --> 00:10:09,544 Speaker 1: the middle? For me, the most important to advice on 180 00:10:09,544 --> 00:10:12,384 Speaker 1: our tipping guide is that like everyone should be gently 181 00:10:12,464 --> 00:10:17,104 Speaker 1: competing to pay, like it's good manners, it's great cultures 182 00:10:17,224 --> 00:10:19,824 Speaker 1: and feel good. Hey yeah, but I just think like, 183 00:10:20,264 --> 00:10:23,024 Speaker 1: as the baseline, if you're like, no, please let me 184 00:10:23,104 --> 00:10:26,224 Speaker 1: get this check. If you can not, everyone can, then 185 00:10:26,264 --> 00:10:30,784 Speaker 1: it's wonderful. Okay. One of the etiquette items is, oh no, 186 00:10:31,104 --> 00:10:33,624 Speaker 1: this one's just confusing. If you put out bowls of 187 00:10:33,624 --> 00:10:37,024 Speaker 1: cigarettes at a party, you have to let people smoke inside. 188 00:10:37,224 --> 00:10:40,344 Speaker 1: They're not to core. Are people putting out bowls of 189 00:10:40,384 --> 00:10:42,704 Speaker 1: cigarettes at parties, Like, am I going to the wrong parties? 190 00:10:43,144 --> 00:10:45,384 Speaker 1: Or is this is a personal thing? One writer, you're 191 00:10:45,424 --> 00:10:47,224 Speaker 1: going to the Brock part You know what's funny. Our 192 00:10:47,264 --> 00:10:51,744 Speaker 1: two most nightlife oriented reporters, Brock Collyer, who does nightlife 193 00:10:51,744 --> 00:10:54,944 Speaker 1: exclusively and Sean mccreish, who's our media reporter, both of 194 00:10:54,984 --> 00:10:59,584 Speaker 1: them spoke urgently and passionately to this. They said they 195 00:10:59,624 --> 00:11:03,744 Speaker 1: had been at multiple parties recently where bowls of cigarettes 196 00:11:03,824 --> 00:11:05,984 Speaker 1: were used in the room and then they were told 197 00:11:06,024 --> 00:11:08,264 Speaker 1: to smoke them outside. And like the fact that this 198 00:11:08,304 --> 00:11:11,144 Speaker 1: happens in some land that we don't visit as amazing 199 00:11:11,184 --> 00:11:14,104 Speaker 1: to me. But like, but I but the fact that 200 00:11:14,104 --> 00:11:16,304 Speaker 1: people actually are like, oh now you must smoke my 201 00:11:16,424 --> 00:11:19,944 Speaker 1: party gifts outside is wild. Another piece of your device 202 00:11:20,064 --> 00:11:23,264 Speaker 1: was whenever you leave a party, take some trash with you. 203 00:11:24,664 --> 00:11:28,864 Speaker 1: I personally would never do that. I'm too pretty. Did 204 00:11:28,944 --> 00:11:31,224 Speaker 1: you road test this? At one point you said you 205 00:11:31,304 --> 00:11:34,504 Speaker 1: don't have to read everyone's book, which you also meant 206 00:11:34,584 --> 00:11:36,584 Speaker 1: like go to their comedy shows either play. But you 207 00:11:36,584 --> 00:11:39,144 Speaker 1: should say when you hear about it, this is the 208 00:11:39,224 --> 00:11:44,944 Speaker 1: quote you suggest what a feat? What a feat is? 209 00:11:44,984 --> 00:11:48,184 Speaker 1: What you're supposed to say? This cannot have been road tested. Well, 210 00:11:48,184 --> 00:11:50,584 Speaker 1: you know, we say this a lot in the office now, 211 00:11:50,624 --> 00:11:52,544 Speaker 1: and I can't say it with a straight face of 212 00:11:52,624 --> 00:11:55,224 Speaker 1: someone I can't. And also we've now ruined that phrase 213 00:11:55,264 --> 00:11:56,784 Speaker 1: because now everyone will be like, oh, I know where 214 00:11:56,824 --> 00:11:59,544 Speaker 1: you got that. Okay, this is I'm just going through 215 00:11:59,544 --> 00:12:02,824 Speaker 1: the rules. When in the entire history of humanity has 216 00:12:02,904 --> 00:12:06,264 Speaker 1: this ever worked? You suggest in number nineteen, if your 217 00:12:06,304 --> 00:12:09,464 Speaker 1: friend is dating someone you seriously object to, have one 218 00:12:09,504 --> 00:12:11,424 Speaker 1: shot to sit down with your pal and say so. 219 00:12:12,264 --> 00:12:15,264 Speaker 1: I've agitated for this to be more than one shot. 220 00:12:15,584 --> 00:12:17,424 Speaker 1: If someone is dating someone that I think is a 221 00:12:17,464 --> 00:12:22,104 Speaker 1: bad a bad person, I will tell them pretty regularly. 222 00:12:22,264 --> 00:12:25,784 Speaker 1: But I think that this rule is correct in restraining 223 00:12:25,784 --> 00:12:29,344 Speaker 1: me from multiple assertions. I think I should say, listen, 224 00:12:29,464 --> 00:12:31,224 Speaker 1: I love you, and I see that you were dating 225 00:12:31,264 --> 00:12:36,104 Speaker 1: this person. Here's my solid complaint or belief about it, 226 00:12:36,184 --> 00:12:38,224 Speaker 1: and I'm going to say it once because I love you, 227 00:12:38,264 --> 00:12:42,544 Speaker 1: and then I'm moving on. Has that ever worked? You know? 228 00:12:42,864 --> 00:12:45,744 Speaker 1: My mother did this to me once. I brought home 229 00:12:45,784 --> 00:12:48,464 Speaker 1: someone I was dating, and she pulled me aside afterwards 230 00:12:48,504 --> 00:12:52,304 Speaker 1: and said, I don't like him, here's why. And she 231 00:12:52,584 --> 00:12:54,224 Speaker 1: you know, in the end, she was right, Like and 232 00:12:54,264 --> 00:12:56,704 Speaker 1: I wasn't mad. So it was in the end, you 233 00:12:56,744 --> 00:12:59,384 Speaker 1: weren't mad at the time, No, because she did it 234 00:12:59,384 --> 00:13:01,504 Speaker 1: really kindly, and but it stuck with me, not in 235 00:13:01,544 --> 00:13:03,384 Speaker 1: an undermining way, but it stuck with me in a 236 00:13:03,424 --> 00:13:05,384 Speaker 1: way that when the time came for me to put 237 00:13:05,424 --> 00:13:08,224 Speaker 1: some of those pieces together myself, I was like, Oh, 238 00:13:08,304 --> 00:13:11,424 Speaker 1: I already had the help from someone I trusted to 239 00:13:11,624 --> 00:13:14,224 Speaker 1: know that I should get the heck away from him. 240 00:13:14,304 --> 00:13:17,024 Speaker 1: I think we owe that to our friends. Oh, do 241 00:13:17,064 --> 00:13:18,704 Speaker 1: you want to spend the next ten years with your 242 00:13:18,704 --> 00:13:22,424 Speaker 1: friend marrying the schmucko who's like a jerk. No, I've 243 00:13:22,464 --> 00:13:25,584 Speaker 1: just never seen it actually stop anyone. It just causes 244 00:13:25,664 --> 00:13:29,984 Speaker 1: resentment between you and that person. That's also true. But 245 00:13:30,064 --> 00:13:31,944 Speaker 1: then you have to like go to parties with them 246 00:13:31,944 --> 00:13:33,864 Speaker 1: for the next ten years and be like, oh God, 247 00:13:33,904 --> 00:13:36,744 Speaker 1: I hate this, I hate their girlfriends. That's life, my friend. 248 00:13:36,944 --> 00:13:40,984 Speaker 1: That is just that is most of Here's what happens 249 00:13:40,984 --> 00:13:43,344 Speaker 1: is those people they get isolated, and so then they 250 00:13:43,424 --> 00:13:45,984 Speaker 1: end up without the friend and with the shitty girlfriend. No, 251 00:13:46,104 --> 00:13:50,984 Speaker 1: they wind up with the other person's friends, the new spouses. Yeah, 252 00:13:51,024 --> 00:13:55,784 Speaker 1: I'm concerned about your friend group. Yeah, me too. I'm 253 00:13:55,784 --> 00:13:58,544 Speaker 1: gonna give them this list. I'm gonna subtly email them 254 00:13:58,624 --> 00:14:05,184 Speaker 1: this entire thing coming up. Corey tells me that I'm 255 00:14:05,184 --> 00:14:09,344 Speaker 1: a cheap bastard who insults people with my text. But first, 256 00:14:09,504 --> 00:14:11,784 Speaker 1: our sponsors want to sell you a serving bowl for 257 00:14:11,864 --> 00:14:22,424 Speaker 1: cigarettes for your next dinner party. I do not hit 258 00:14:22,504 --> 00:14:25,024 Speaker 1: everything on your list, though, thank you so much. There's 259 00:14:25,064 --> 00:14:28,064 Speaker 1: some very good ideas. Do you have a personal favorite 260 00:14:28,064 --> 00:14:31,864 Speaker 1: recommendation from this list? Yeah? So the one that you 261 00:14:31,904 --> 00:14:33,824 Speaker 1: didn't bring up that people are mad about that is 262 00:14:33,904 --> 00:14:36,664 Speaker 1: one of my personal favorites. Is that we are asserting 263 00:14:36,704 --> 00:14:43,184 Speaker 1: that you may call, text message anyone at any hour. Wow, 264 00:14:43,304 --> 00:14:46,024 Speaker 1: that's amazing. I don't have notifications on my phone because 265 00:14:46,024 --> 00:14:50,064 Speaker 1: I'm a reasonable human being. When it's a tool, when 266 00:14:50,064 --> 00:14:51,784 Speaker 1: I want to use it, I pick it up. It 267 00:14:51,824 --> 00:14:55,224 Speaker 1: doesn't bing, it doesn't flash. I can go look when 268 00:14:55,264 --> 00:14:57,704 Speaker 1: I want to look. Control your device. People, So, like, 269 00:14:57,864 --> 00:15:00,424 Speaker 1: I stand by this role. And I know there's outliers 270 00:15:00,424 --> 00:15:02,624 Speaker 1: and we're all in a change with technology, but like 271 00:15:03,184 --> 00:15:05,504 Speaker 1: this is where we're going, Like this is this is 272 00:15:05,504 --> 00:15:07,224 Speaker 1: where technology is headed. That we have to be in 273 00:15:07,264 --> 00:15:10,904 Speaker 1: control of what alerts up at all times. I loved 274 00:15:10,984 --> 00:15:15,344 Speaker 1: never wake up your significant other on purpose. Ever, Yeah, 275 00:15:15,384 --> 00:15:17,144 Speaker 1: that's a good rule. Listen, if someone's in the house, 276 00:15:17,184 --> 00:15:19,544 Speaker 1: I'll go deal with it, I'm telling you. Yeah, exactly 277 00:15:19,584 --> 00:15:21,864 Speaker 1: here a noise outside, deal with it. What am I 278 00:15:21,904 --> 00:15:24,504 Speaker 1: gonna do? I have someone like get in my way? No, 279 00:15:24,584 --> 00:15:28,824 Speaker 1: I gotta go deal with this situation. Yeah, you don't 280 00:15:28,824 --> 00:15:30,864 Speaker 1: have a gun in New York, do you? Oh? I 281 00:15:30,904 --> 00:15:33,144 Speaker 1: live in the suburbs, but you don't have a gun. 282 00:15:33,224 --> 00:15:34,544 Speaker 1: No one in New York magazine is allowed to have 283 00:15:34,544 --> 00:15:38,344 Speaker 1: a gun. There actually should be an etiquette rule that 284 00:15:38,384 --> 00:15:40,704 Speaker 1: no one works in New York in the mainstream media 285 00:15:40,904 --> 00:15:43,264 Speaker 1: allowed to have a gun. Yeah. Listen, there's a lot 286 00:15:43,304 --> 00:15:46,864 Speaker 1: of great etiquette rules around things like gun ownership, and 287 00:15:46,984 --> 00:15:48,584 Speaker 1: you know you didn't get into that. Laws are changing 288 00:15:48,624 --> 00:15:50,944 Speaker 1: so rapidly. We did not get into gun ownership and 289 00:15:51,024 --> 00:15:53,224 Speaker 1: the etiquette guide, however we should. Most of those are 290 00:15:53,224 --> 00:15:55,944 Speaker 1: just laws. You should not brandish your firearm at strangers, 291 00:15:56,144 --> 00:15:58,624 Speaker 1: but you're allowed to like walk into a Starbucks with 292 00:15:58,664 --> 00:16:01,024 Speaker 1: like a giant gun strap to you. I think I 293 00:16:01,024 --> 00:16:03,744 Speaker 1: think that's rude. I think the open carry is pretty 294 00:16:03,784 --> 00:16:05,384 Speaker 1: rude in an you too, You don't even need a 295 00:16:05,464 --> 00:16:07,864 Speaker 1: rule about that. We know better yeah, I loved that. 296 00:16:08,024 --> 00:16:10,864 Speaker 1: Street people only use the word partner if they're trying 297 00:16:10,904 --> 00:16:13,504 Speaker 1: to finagle something out of that. It's so annoying. This 298 00:16:13,544 --> 00:16:15,384 Speaker 1: is a little controversial. What do you think about this 299 00:16:15,664 --> 00:16:18,224 Speaker 1: hate partner? I'm like, give me some information. Why are 300 00:16:18,224 --> 00:16:21,464 Speaker 1: you saying partner to me? Yeah, it's weird, And like you, 301 00:16:21,504 --> 00:16:23,224 Speaker 1: I'm nosy. I want to know everything, like are you 302 00:16:23,304 --> 00:16:26,104 Speaker 1: bisexual in a relationship with I was a sex person? 303 00:16:26,144 --> 00:16:28,544 Speaker 1: And what did you meet? Like how mad are your parents? Like, 304 00:16:28,584 --> 00:16:30,664 Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to know everything because I'm just nosy. 305 00:16:31,504 --> 00:16:34,504 Speaker 1: And then here's something I do they no longer do 306 00:16:34,544 --> 00:16:37,304 Speaker 1: thanks to your list, which is don't tell people that 307 00:16:37,384 --> 00:16:42,264 Speaker 1: they look like some celebrity because yeah, yeah, because it's 308 00:16:41,984 --> 00:16:44,544 Speaker 1: it can be an insult or they can see it 309 00:16:44,584 --> 00:16:47,144 Speaker 1: as an insult. You know. It's funny. This came as 310 00:16:47,144 --> 00:16:48,944 Speaker 1: a revelation to me because I had never really thought 311 00:16:48,944 --> 00:16:51,184 Speaker 1: about this before, and I also have done it and 312 00:16:51,464 --> 00:16:54,544 Speaker 1: had it done too done unto me, it feels bad. 313 00:16:54,624 --> 00:16:56,704 Speaker 1: It messes with your sense of self in some way, 314 00:16:56,784 --> 00:16:58,624 Speaker 1: although you do say as part of that, it's better 315 00:16:58,664 --> 00:17:02,144 Speaker 1: to say nice sweater, which, let me, I'm pretty sure 316 00:17:02,704 --> 00:17:04,544 Speaker 1: is something you shouldn't say to a woman because it's 317 00:17:04,544 --> 00:17:07,024 Speaker 1: it's just a comment on their breasts. Always it just 318 00:17:07,104 --> 00:17:09,824 Speaker 1: means boobs, nice sweater. Like there's no way, like, no 319 00:17:09,904 --> 00:17:11,944 Speaker 1: gay guy could even say nice sweater. There's no way 320 00:17:11,984 --> 00:17:18,624 Speaker 1: you get no nice sweater and I got nothing. Now, um, 321 00:17:18,664 --> 00:17:21,104 Speaker 1: I love this. If your host is doing the dishes, 322 00:17:21,384 --> 00:17:25,464 Speaker 1: it means you're supposed to leave. I think that I 323 00:17:25,504 --> 00:17:27,184 Speaker 1: need to stop doing the dishes when i'm friends over, 324 00:17:27,264 --> 00:17:30,544 Speaker 1: is what I learned from this rude. In fact, oh, 325 00:17:30,584 --> 00:17:34,344 Speaker 1: I was writing a cover for Time magazine about George Clooney, 326 00:17:34,504 --> 00:17:38,504 Speaker 1: and we invite We would like como, where were you? No, 327 00:17:38,704 --> 00:17:40,584 Speaker 1: I was in my house. I invited them over my 328 00:17:40,624 --> 00:17:45,184 Speaker 1: house for dinner. Very weird. I figured there's only three 329 00:17:45,184 --> 00:17:48,184 Speaker 1: things left that people hadn't done with celebrity interviews. So 330 00:17:49,104 --> 00:17:53,784 Speaker 1: he was a great guest. Spent a long time, drank 331 00:17:53,824 --> 00:17:57,144 Speaker 1: a lot, ate a lot. My wife was here. My 332 00:17:57,184 --> 00:17:59,344 Speaker 1: wife is the only woman in history who's not completely 333 00:17:59,424 --> 00:18:03,784 Speaker 1: charmed by George Clooney, and at some point she started 334 00:18:03,824 --> 00:18:06,504 Speaker 1: doing the dishes. It was really really late, it was 335 00:18:06,544 --> 00:18:10,104 Speaker 1: way past midnight. But because no one had ever wanted 336 00:18:10,104 --> 00:18:13,704 Speaker 1: George clutey to leave, anywhere. He was unaware of this, 337 00:18:13,704 --> 00:18:18,624 Speaker 1: this etiquette roule, so it didn't work. He stayed throughout 338 00:18:18,624 --> 00:18:22,304 Speaker 1: the whole dishwashing. Your wife was desperate to get George 339 00:18:22,344 --> 00:18:24,744 Speaker 1: Clinty out of the house. Yeah, I would have been 340 00:18:24,784 --> 00:18:27,184 Speaker 1: making up the guest bedroom. I've been like yours. I 341 00:18:27,224 --> 00:18:29,744 Speaker 1: think I was. You live here now, George, it's your 342 00:18:29,784 --> 00:18:32,784 Speaker 1: tenth house. But yeah, that's a good, good rule. Well, 343 00:18:32,824 --> 00:18:35,504 Speaker 1: your wife sounds great. Actually, why doesn't she have a podcast? 344 00:18:35,704 --> 00:18:38,264 Speaker 1: It's a really good question. That's rule number seventy eight. 345 00:18:38,304 --> 00:18:39,624 Speaker 1: If you have a podcast, you have to give your 346 00:18:39,664 --> 00:18:45,064 Speaker 1: wife a podcast. There are no rules in here about podcasting, 347 00:18:45,184 --> 00:18:49,104 Speaker 1: even though everyone is a podcast. You know. I have 348 00:18:49,144 --> 00:18:51,944 Speaker 1: to say when we published this, we suddenly realized we 349 00:18:51,984 --> 00:18:55,264 Speaker 1: had scratched the tip of the iceberg. Is that the 350 00:18:55,264 --> 00:18:59,224 Speaker 1: phrase scratched. That's a new one. So you went to 351 00:18:59,264 --> 00:19:01,624 Speaker 1: a couple of famous people and had them give you 352 00:19:01,864 --> 00:19:03,424 Speaker 1: their etiquette ules. And you went to one of my 353 00:19:03,464 --> 00:19:07,424 Speaker 1: favorite famous people, Amy Saidaris, which is genius. Oh yeah, 354 00:19:07,464 --> 00:19:11,224 Speaker 1: And every piece of she came up with was brilliant 355 00:19:11,224 --> 00:19:14,424 Speaker 1: and something I hadn't thought of. Wasn't that amazing? She 356 00:19:14,544 --> 00:19:16,784 Speaker 1: delivered that list and we were like oh my god. 357 00:19:17,064 --> 00:19:20,624 Speaker 1: And like her, thinking about how to behave with other 358 00:19:20,664 --> 00:19:25,424 Speaker 1: people is actually kind of like exciting and gratifying. I 359 00:19:25,504 --> 00:19:28,784 Speaker 1: love that, she said. And again, my wife has yelled 360 00:19:28,824 --> 00:19:30,544 Speaker 1: at me for doing this, so I don't do anymore. 361 00:19:30,904 --> 00:19:34,824 Speaker 1: If you bring flowers, especially to a party, they should 362 00:19:34,864 --> 00:19:38,264 Speaker 1: already be in a vase, amazing, because otherwise you're just 363 00:19:38,504 --> 00:19:41,544 Speaker 1: causing someone work in the middle of their party. Yeah, 364 00:19:41,584 --> 00:19:46,184 Speaker 1: you're being a jerk. The most useful section for me 365 00:19:46,864 --> 00:19:51,304 Speaker 1: was tipping. I thank you for doing it. You said 366 00:19:51,344 --> 00:19:54,984 Speaker 1: it restaurants, and I felt this but didn't really know. 367 00:19:55,824 --> 00:19:58,144 Speaker 1: It's moved up yet again. Now it's up to twenty 368 00:19:58,144 --> 00:20:01,144 Speaker 1: to twenty five percent for a good tip, for just 369 00:20:01,184 --> 00:20:03,824 Speaker 1: a tip. Yeah, how did you figure that out? Or 370 00:20:03,864 --> 00:20:06,264 Speaker 1: why didn't I know that? Is it? I feel like 371 00:20:06,344 --> 00:20:08,744 Speaker 1: this is the danger of getting old, right. I've noticed 372 00:20:08,744 --> 00:20:11,984 Speaker 1: the old are people sometimes don't tip completely correctly because 373 00:20:11,984 --> 00:20:14,664 Speaker 1: they're stuck in a previous era. And that's happening to 374 00:20:14,704 --> 00:20:18,264 Speaker 1: me now, I think with my oh, yeah, so that's right. 375 00:20:18,304 --> 00:20:21,544 Speaker 1: As we age, we don't update our etiquette guides internally 376 00:20:21,664 --> 00:20:24,144 Speaker 1: as it were. So we talk to service workers, we 377 00:20:24,184 --> 00:20:26,664 Speaker 1: talk to restaurant folks, we talked to a lot of 378 00:20:26,664 --> 00:20:29,224 Speaker 1: retails sort of concerns too, because like tipping is sort 379 00:20:29,224 --> 00:20:34,384 Speaker 1: of moved beyond restaurants into bodegas and stores and Hudson News, 380 00:20:34,464 --> 00:20:36,344 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's confusing. So but what 381 00:20:36,424 --> 00:20:37,944 Speaker 1: we really heard, we're supposed to tip me at the 382 00:20:37,984 --> 00:20:40,144 Speaker 1: end of that, says you. Well, now I actually you 383 00:20:40,224 --> 00:20:45,184 Speaker 1: tip podcast hosts now, it's like a rule. Yeah, But 384 00:20:45,224 --> 00:20:48,864 Speaker 1: like what we heard, overall, we're tipping because the system 385 00:20:48,904 --> 00:20:52,344 Speaker 1: is broken and we don't pay people. So like Europeans 386 00:20:52,344 --> 00:20:54,384 Speaker 1: when they come here and they complain about tipping, are 387 00:20:54,464 --> 00:20:57,384 Speaker 1: correct and like that's fine and they can go back 388 00:20:57,424 --> 00:21:01,104 Speaker 1: to their low birthrate socialist paradise or whatever they want. 389 00:21:01,144 --> 00:21:03,984 Speaker 1: I don't know, but like we're broken and we should 390 00:21:03,984 --> 00:21:06,144 Speaker 1: be tipping twenty five percent or more ideally, like twenty 391 00:21:06,144 --> 00:21:09,144 Speaker 1: percent is the floor. If you're rich, tip thirty and 392 00:21:09,224 --> 00:21:13,144 Speaker 1: are more food delivery, give them cash, tip your uber 393 00:21:13,344 --> 00:21:16,464 Speaker 1: there depending on tips. Tips are also more pooled now 394 00:21:16,544 --> 00:21:18,064 Speaker 1: in a way that they weren't when you and I 395 00:21:18,144 --> 00:21:20,544 Speaker 1: were young, Like that usually went to like a servert. 396 00:21:20,624 --> 00:21:23,704 Speaker 1: Now it's feeding the house, the bartenders, the barbacks, like 397 00:21:24,704 --> 00:21:27,264 Speaker 1: so it makes an expensive nine out like the one 398 00:21:27,424 --> 00:21:29,984 Speaker 1: kind of caveat I have about this is like, you know, 399 00:21:30,024 --> 00:21:32,224 Speaker 1: we're not all rich. So if you're dining out and 400 00:21:32,264 --> 00:21:34,824 Speaker 1: you're a young person or you're not wealthy, like it 401 00:21:34,984 --> 00:21:39,344 Speaker 1: makes it more challenging for you also much more challenging. Right, Yeah, 402 00:21:39,384 --> 00:21:42,304 Speaker 1: but this system is busted, then whatever you're gonna do, 403 00:21:42,544 --> 00:21:45,224 Speaker 1: Like it feels very sad, but like this is what 404 00:21:45,264 --> 00:21:48,384 Speaker 1: these people survive on. So tipping is, tipping is escalated 405 00:21:48,464 --> 00:21:52,384 Speaker 1: and we appreciate it. And for food delivery, twenty percent 406 00:21:52,744 --> 00:21:56,224 Speaker 1: or a minimum of five dollars whichever is greater, and 407 00:21:56,304 --> 00:21:59,224 Speaker 1: really ideally in cash. See I wasn't doing that. I 408 00:21:59,664 --> 00:22:02,424 Speaker 1: didn't think of this. Yeah, I think delivery and cabs 409 00:22:02,544 --> 00:22:04,744 Speaker 1: is great. And also if you live in the suburbs, 410 00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:07,704 Speaker 1: like if you slip your garbage guy twenty bucks every 411 00:22:07,744 --> 00:22:10,544 Speaker 1: once in a while, the service you get for that 412 00:22:10,704 --> 00:22:13,664 Speaker 1: is significant and it's like a significant portion of their 413 00:22:13,824 --> 00:22:17,304 Speaker 1: of their wage. What's going on? How does improved garbage 414 00:22:17,344 --> 00:22:19,904 Speaker 1: service look like? Like? What? So here's the thing, Like 415 00:22:19,984 --> 00:22:21,584 Speaker 1: if you live in a lot of towns in America, 416 00:22:21,624 --> 00:22:23,304 Speaker 1: like the garbage guys are like we take this, we 417 00:22:23,384 --> 00:22:25,544 Speaker 1: don't take that. You know, it gets really an intense 418 00:22:25,544 --> 00:22:28,824 Speaker 1: and granular twenty bucks, and they're taking your dirty mattresses 419 00:22:28,824 --> 00:22:30,824 Speaker 1: and your construction lumber out, you know what I mean. 420 00:22:30,944 --> 00:22:33,664 Speaker 1: Like it's real. I feel like if you're tipping your 421 00:22:33,664 --> 00:22:37,384 Speaker 1: garbageman twenty bucks on the rag, you're definitely in the mob. 422 00:22:37,424 --> 00:22:40,144 Speaker 1: And there's bodies in your garbage. They will take those 423 00:22:40,144 --> 00:22:44,504 Speaker 1: bodies for sure in the yard, no questions ask you know, 424 00:22:44,664 --> 00:22:48,904 Speaker 1: because I am so so old. Some of these things 425 00:22:49,144 --> 00:22:52,224 Speaker 1: that I'm sure incredibly helpful are like gibberish to me. 426 00:22:52,344 --> 00:22:56,544 Speaker 1: They're like rules about meaning the Albanian Queen, like don't 427 00:22:56,584 --> 00:23:00,984 Speaker 1: ever message someone K. You should say KK. I'm not 428 00:23:01,024 --> 00:23:03,224 Speaker 1: in whatever game this is. I gotta tell you. I 429 00:23:03,224 --> 00:23:05,424 Speaker 1: don't know how many gen zers you work with, but 430 00:23:05,624 --> 00:23:08,544 Speaker 1: all of those like it's just different, and I upset 431 00:23:08,584 --> 00:23:10,784 Speaker 1: them in way is that I will never understand, and 432 00:23:10,824 --> 00:23:12,624 Speaker 1: I hope they forgive me when it's time to put 433 00:23:12,664 --> 00:23:15,904 Speaker 1: me on the ice flow. Which okay, which means okay 434 00:23:17,144 --> 00:23:23,024 Speaker 1: is rude, but two k's, which means okay okay is 435 00:23:23,944 --> 00:23:29,384 Speaker 1: neutral or positive. It's somehow chatty. It's like somehow cheerier. 436 00:23:29,544 --> 00:23:32,464 Speaker 1: It just means like okay, okay. It doesn't mean like Okay, 437 00:23:32,544 --> 00:23:36,984 Speaker 1: I hate you. I can confirm me. Let me hit. Yeah. 438 00:23:37,584 --> 00:23:39,344 Speaker 1: This whole time, I've been like, oh man, let me in. Okay, 439 00:23:39,384 --> 00:23:42,584 Speaker 1: this is our producer. Mo. Okay, is it translates to 440 00:23:42,704 --> 00:23:45,904 Speaker 1: fuck you? Just stop talking to me? Kak is sweet? 441 00:23:46,024 --> 00:23:50,024 Speaker 1: Sounds good? Couldn't tell you why, but that's the truth. Mo. Mo. 442 00:23:50,184 --> 00:23:55,064 Speaker 1: How old are you? I'm twenty six? Okay. I made 443 00:23:55,624 --> 00:23:58,904 Speaker 1: lists for magazines before it, like Time Out and Time 444 00:23:59,144 --> 00:24:00,904 Speaker 1: and we always kind of thought of them as a 445 00:24:00,944 --> 00:24:04,064 Speaker 1: way to generate conversation and debate, like the Time one 446 00:24:04,184 --> 00:24:07,104 Speaker 1: hundred or how much of this stuff do you? Did? 447 00:24:07,144 --> 00:24:09,024 Speaker 1: You guys not really believe in, but you thought would 448 00:24:09,224 --> 00:24:13,784 Speaker 1: generate good debate. Honestly, Like, I'm so sincere, Like we 449 00:24:13,944 --> 00:24:16,264 Speaker 1: literally thought of this as like service, and like obviously 450 00:24:16,304 --> 00:24:18,264 Speaker 1: some of it is saucy and some of it's aggressive 451 00:24:18,344 --> 00:24:19,904 Speaker 1: and some of it's rest supposed to be a little 452 00:24:19,904 --> 00:24:23,384 Speaker 1: bit funny too, like and to make you think. But like, honestly, 453 00:24:23,504 --> 00:24:26,384 Speaker 1: like this is a really sincere effort and that sounds 454 00:24:26,464 --> 00:24:28,864 Speaker 1: very like ridiculous to say, but like we didn't want 455 00:24:28,864 --> 00:24:30,824 Speaker 1: to say, like the fork goes to your left and 456 00:24:30,904 --> 00:24:33,744 Speaker 1: didn't your party, But it doesn't matter anymore. That's your point, right, 457 00:24:33,824 --> 00:24:37,144 Speaker 1: that these are the things that matter the party exactly. Yeah, 458 00:24:37,264 --> 00:24:40,184 Speaker 1: the ca versus KK matters and like so, a couple 459 00:24:40,144 --> 00:24:41,784 Speaker 1: of people, like you pointed out, a couple are mad 460 00:24:41,784 --> 00:24:44,104 Speaker 1: about a couple of things. But you know what, no 461 00:24:44,144 --> 00:24:49,944 Speaker 1: one's really beefing about this really, because we're right, Corey Zicat. 462 00:24:50,064 --> 00:24:53,824 Speaker 1: You gave us the gift of the New York Magazine 463 00:24:54,144 --> 00:24:59,064 Speaker 1: Etiquette Guide. Thank you so much. Thanks for having us. 464 00:24:59,064 --> 00:25:06,704 Speaker 1: I'm glad that you learned something. Okay, I have one 465 00:25:06,744 --> 00:25:09,264 Speaker 1: more rule for you. If you get to the end 466 00:25:09,304 --> 00:25:12,624 Speaker 1: of a podcast, you have to go to Apple Podcasts 467 00:25:12,704 --> 00:25:17,304 Speaker 1: and review it and like it. It's just common courtesy. 468 00:25:18,184 --> 00:25:21,784 Speaker 1: Next week we cover the oscars, or at least that 469 00:25:21,984 --> 00:25:24,584 Speaker 1: one time in nineteen seventy four that a man ran 470 00:25:24,624 --> 00:25:31,824 Speaker 1: across the stage completely uncovered at the end of the show. 471 00:25:32,104 --> 00:25:35,144 Speaker 1: What's next for joel Stein? Maybe he'll take a nap 472 00:25:35,504 --> 00:25:40,944 Speaker 1: voke around online. Our show today was produced by Molaboard 473 00:25:41,224 --> 00:25:45,984 Speaker 1: and Nishev Vencutt. It was edited by Lydia Gencott. Our 474 00:25:46,024 --> 00:25:50,064 Speaker 1: engineer is Amanda kay Way and our executive producer is 475 00:25:50,544 --> 00:25:54,224 Speaker 1: Katherine Girardol And our theme song was written and performed 476 00:25:54,224 --> 00:25:57,424 Speaker 1: by Jonathan Colton and a special thanks to my voice 477 00:25:57,464 --> 00:26:01,824 Speaker 1: coach Vicky Merrick and my consulting producer laurenz Elasne. To 478 00:26:01,864 --> 00:26:06,584 Speaker 1: find more Pushkin podcast listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 479 00:26:06,944 --> 00:26:10,024 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your podcasts. I'm Joel Stein 480 00:26:10,504 --> 00:26:13,704 Speaker 1: and this is the story of the week. I'm so old. 481 00:26:13,984 --> 00:26:19,944 Speaker 1: I didn't even understandencies. I'm so old. My watch starts 482 00:26:19,984 --> 00:26:21,544 Speaker 1: talking and I can't control it.