WEBVTT - A Fine Line Between Anti and pro-aging: An Interview with Bobbi Brown 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:03.559 So let's get real. 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:07.080 Who amongst us hasn't thought a little bit about our 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.119 skin in the context of aging. There's been so much 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:13.039 pressure for us to do so many things, from creams 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:16.320 to lasers, pills, procedures, fillers. 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:17.760 The options are endless. 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.200 So to cut through all those layers, we're bringing in 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:24.239 someone who's lived in the beauty industry for decades and 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:27.760 who has a unique and refreshing approach to aging. That's right, 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:30.360 it's the one and only Bobby Brown. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:32.479 If I look in the mirror and I don't look good, 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:34.400 you know what I do? I stop looking and I 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:36.280 think for a second, all right, why do I look 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:38.120 so bad? Is the lighting bad? 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:39.400 Is the mirror bad? 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:43.640 Or have I been working too hard? Not balanced? Exhausted? 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:46.559 What did I eat last night? So to me, it's 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:50.080 so much lifestyle and its attitude. 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:53.640 Hi guys, and welcome. I'm so glad you're here. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:57.080 I'm Nicole Berry and this is Skin Querries, a show 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.960 all about our skin and its health as we grow in. 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.920 Our skin is really a record of a life well lived, 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.320 because there isn't one body part that I could think 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.080 of that reflects our well being as clearly as our 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.960 skin So let's go on this journey together to really 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.959 understand what's going on with our skin. Let's unravel the 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.120 mysteries happening inside and out. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:18.880 Today we're talking about aging. 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:29.080 We can't do an entire season talking about skin and 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:34.200 health without talking about aging. Whether it's sun spots, lines, wrinkles, creases, 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:38.200 there's no turning back the clock. Aging is inevitable. Our 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:41.080 personal choice is in how we deal with it. So 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.600 for me, I like to feel my best, and that 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.280 means taking care of my body, taking care of what 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:49.600 I eat, how I move, And my skin routine actually 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.760 is quite simple. I love cleansing my skin with a 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:57.240 honey cleanser, I do a simple toner and moisturizer, and. 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:57.960 I'm on my way. 0:01:58.080 --> 0:01:59.640 If I'm going to be in the sun, I add 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.800 sunlaw and I do love having fun with facials and 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.880 the occasional laser. But for the most part, it's pretty simple. 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:10.400 Perhaps in an alternate universe, aging gracefully would simply refer 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:14.160 to healthy living and taking care of ourselves. We'd value 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:17.200 the wisdom of our elders and see their lived experience 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.080 as something to celebrate and not to actually hide. But 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:24.800 for now, I'd say, aging confidently and quote unquote naturally 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.520 is a fairly radical approach. Even the term naturally can 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.280 mean different things to so many different people. There's so 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:35.320 much to think about today. We'll speak with dermatologists doctor 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:39.320 Adeline Kickham, but first the founder of Jones Road Beauty 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:43.120 and in my mind a cultural and beauty icon. It's 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:44.800 none other than Bobby Brown. 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.040 And I'm the one you thought of about aging. 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:53.480 I know I'm very young at heart, to be honest, 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.639 the reason that I thought of you first is because 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.600 in all of our conversations that we've had, I guess 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:03.000 present yourself as you are, as you truly are has 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.400 always been, I feel like, one of your values and 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:10.560 I've always respected that so much since I was a teenager. 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.080 Right getting your book Teenage Beauty, it was kind of 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:16.160 like the Bible that everyone wanted for the holidays. And 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.560 like I remember using your books and your manuals pre TikTok, 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:23.560 pre Instagram as like how to feel my best. It 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.560 was never ever cover myself. It was always like present 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.800 myself as I am. And so now I'm in my 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.840 forties and with each step you've grown with me and 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:34.800 with I think my generation and many others. 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:38.480 So I guess, broad scope, what is your approach when 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:39.200 it comes to beauty. 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.560 Well, first of all, I don't feel any older than 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.400 you are. I don't think of myself as any older 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:46.800 than you are. I don't. I don't think of myself 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:48.880 in terms of, oh my god, I can't believe how 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.920 old I am. And by the way, I've come a 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:55.560 long way since I was your age or younger about 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:59.040 how I felt about myself, about the food I put 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:02.040 in my body, the angst I had about what I'm eating. 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.760 And I am at the best place I've been in 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:06.839 my whole life. And I'm not even in my mid 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.040 sixties anymore. I'm sixty seven, which is insane to me. 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:14.600 And I really believe in skin being the most important 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:15.320 part of beauty. 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:15.600 Right. 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.400 It's not about if you have lines or don't. It's 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.400 not about if you have blemishes or don't. It's really 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.440 just about how your skin looks, and it is such 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.039 a sign of health. Right. It's not what you put 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.080 on your face, it's what you put in your body. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.560 You know, as someone that makes products, I know that firsthand. 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.359 I know That's why when I look in the mirror, 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.479 I don't look so bad. I look okay because I 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.880 eat really well. And by the way, I do get laser. 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.960 I don't shoot anything in my face. I don't do injectables. 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.240 I don't, you know, do any of Botot's anything. But 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.280 I will do every laser that someone says doesn't hurt 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.360 that bad, and it is going to make a difference. 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.760 You started as a makeup artist, right when did you 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:00.520 make that connection when it came to letting them skin 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:04.640 actually or the actual person like shine versus just covering 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:05.040 them up. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.320 You know. I started being a freelance makeup artist in 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:12.919 the eighties, you know, mid to high eighties, and I 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.320 just couldn't do makeup the way other people did it 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:19.080 with you know, this awful foundation and contour. I just 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.359 didn't look good. And I just realized how good the 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.320 girls looked when they came in. So I started doing 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:28.599 makeup just to make them look sunny and healthy. And 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:32.240 I used to study kind of like the Self magazine 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.240 beauty pages where the girls look so good, and I 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.440 would take makeup to kind of, you know, mimic that 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:43.480 on models. So I realized that looking fresh was what 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.160 mattered to me in beauty. But then I also at 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.040 the same time, I was someone that was going from 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:53.159 diet to diet to diet, to cleanse to cleanse, to realize, Okay, 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.680 this is really stupid. I should just find food that 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.279 makes me feel good when I eat, and I should 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.520 bring it with me because things were not readily available. 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:05.120 And that was, you know, in the early nineties. Wow, 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.400 people thought I was weird. I'd come in with the 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.960 tupperwaar with my chop salad, and I'd have baggies of vegetables, 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.560 so I wouldn't like sit there and eat breadsticks all 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:17.239 day on these gourmet shoots right at you know, during 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:21.119 fashion week or whatever, and I just realized I looked better, 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:26.240 I felt better eating better, and so my holistic approach 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:30.280 kind of began then. But I also was experimenting with 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.960 like the weirdest cleanses and diets and things, and finally 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.799 I said this is stupid and I stopped. 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:44.000 When it comes to skincare, anti aging is such a 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.839 ubiquitous term. What is your kind of verbiage or that language? 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:49.480 Is it harmful? Do you use that? 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.839 I don't believe in anti aging because guess what, I'm 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.720 older now than I was when we started this podcast, 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:59.320 right and there's nothing on the market that turns back time. 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.240 There's just nothing. It doesn't work. There's nothing on the 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.279 market that really gets rid of your spots. There's nothing 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.360 on the market that gets rid of lines in your face. 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.240 There are moisturizers on the market that make your lines 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:13.360 look better, and there's makeup that could cover your spots. 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.360 But if I have spots, that means I'm not wearing 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:20.040 proper sunscreen. Now, when I'm in the sun, I wear 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.920 a long sleeve SBF shirt. And you know, I live 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:25.800 in Florida three months a year. I don't want to 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.600 look like I live in Florida. So I'm very protective 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:29.640 of my skin. 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.480 And so how much does mindset come into play when 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:34.320 it comes to aging. 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:36.240 I mean, you took the words out of my mouth. 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:40.520 It's mindset. It's your attitude. You know, many of you, 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.440 many of us need attitude adjustments. So there's times where 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.240 I look in the mirror and I just say, oh 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.560 my god, I look so old, or I look in 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:49.920 the mirror and I say, oh my god, I look 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:52.160 like my mother. Like that is the you know, kind 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:55.200 of like, ah, you know, my mother was a beautiful woman. 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.160 But at the end of her life. You know, didn't 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.680 look so good. She didn't take proper care of herself, 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.840 definitely didn't have a positive attitude about things. If I 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:05.240 look in the mirror and I don't look good, you 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.640 know what I do? I stop looking and I think 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.280 for a second, I'm like, all right, why do I 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:13.000 look so bad? Is the lighting bad? Is the mirror bad? 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:17.560 Or have I been working too hard? Not balanced? Exhausted? 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:19.440 What did I eat last night? 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:19.880 Oh? 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:23.640 I had two drinks and not one, and I had 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:28.040 martini with olives and not you know, water like So 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:31.400 to me, it's so much lifestyle and its attitude. I 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.920 have a mirror in two places I live, and it's 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.880 a full length mirror. It costs me about nine dollars 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.719 at like Kmart or wal Mart or somewhere, and it's 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.280 on an angle and it was only supposed to be temporary. 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.560 But when I look in the mirror, I look really tall, 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:49.920 and I love it, and I refuse to get rid 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:51.600 of it. My husband's like, let's buy a really nice 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.840 one and put it on the wall. I said, absolutely not. 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.480 I like this mirror because I like looking at myself 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:00.920 a certain way. And I'm five foot tall. I'm not tall, 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.640 but it's you know, it makes me happy. I walk 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.080 out of the house and I feel like a supermodel 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:08.520 and I don't care. Yeah, it's fine. And I also 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:10.560 know lighting is everything. 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.880 Can Bobby Brown tell us what the keys are to 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:14.640 good lighting? 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:19.360 Yeah, my favorite light is daylight. I often do things 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.920 in my car. I put my makeup on, you know, 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.079 when I'm in the parking lot to my office or 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:26.679 when I'm sitting in my office. 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.240 You know, I so natural light when you apply makeup. 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.640 If I have the option, natural light is best. Like 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:34.200 I could look in the mirror and I'm fine with 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:37.400 the lines in my forehead. There's lines around my mouth 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:41.040 because they're supposed to be right. And you know, I 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:43.439 don't have full lips, so I don't wear a ton 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.839 of lipstick. I have really good cheeks, so I always 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:49.240 put blush on. But my neck I put moisturizer on. 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.640 It looks better. But it's not my favorite part of 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.840 my anatomy. You know, I've kind of taught the people 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.800 in my organization who video me and shoot me like 0:09:59.000 --> 0:09:59.920 guys batting. 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:01.720 Yeah, cut that, Like. 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.959 You can't be a sixty seven year old makeup artist 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.440 doing a makeup thing and your head is down dipping 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:10.080 into the products. No, guys, right up, And if you 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.120 don't like it, I don't care. Then you know, just 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.400 cut to my hands, which, by the way, I don't 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.640 love my hands anymore, but they're my hands, right, you know, 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:18.480 they're my hands. 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:18.959 Yeah. 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.720 What about when you were younger, like earlier influences, whether 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.480 it was your mom or someone growing up that kind 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.840 of you know, formed your perspective on beauty. 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.680 Well in a negative way. As much as my mother 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.840 was a very big supporter, she was also wanting me 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.160 to be beautiful. That she once came to me and 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:39.360 told me I was very pretty, but I'd be beautiful 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.600 if I had my nose fixed. I never once complained 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:45.000 about my nose. I never had it fixed. And you know, 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:48.199 there was definitely insecurities. But the woman that made the 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:51.280 biggest difference in me where I said I'm okay the 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.800 way I am was when I was in either middle 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.280 school or beginning of high school and Love Story came 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.959 out and I saw Ali McGraw and she had, you know, 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.800 big eyebrows and these freckles on her nose and very 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.640 little makeup and you know, hair parted in the middle, 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.560 and I remember looking at her saying, my god, she's gorgeous. 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.000 And then I said, ah, she kind of looks like me, 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.360 or I kind of look like her, And so I 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.719 was able to kind of say, all right, I understand 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:20.960 my own beauty. I'm not Sheryl Tigus or Christy Brinkley 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:22.280 or Barbie. 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.560 Yeah right, I mean to that credit, I mean even 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:28.880 behind you, all the faces that are representative of you 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.800 and Joanes Road I love. One of my favorite things 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.360 of walking into your story is that wall. It's almost 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.719 like magazine cutouts. Reminds me of like my bedroom as 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.480 a kid. How important is it for you to show 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:45.679 different faces and different types of skin tone, age. 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.800 I mean, it's everything. And I've always been someone that 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.400 believed in every single woman's beautiful. And it doesn't matter 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.679 what your age is, what your ethnicity is, what your 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.800 coloring is. You know, my job is to represent everyone. 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:00.439 And these girls on the wall are actually for our 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.440 next shoot, which is tomorrow. So we had their pictures, 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.120 you know, which are on the top where they're all 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.480 made up, and we tore them out of their portfolios 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:09.400 and you know in the bottom, we asked them all 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:11.880 to send pictures of them without any makeup on, and 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.680 so you know that's kind of what you're looking at now. 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.800 I just I tape things up on walls and change them. 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.440 And you know, we started taping them up on walls 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.280 in the Jones Road stores and that's now become our signature. 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:25.040 I love it. I think it's so cool. 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.520 How important are ingredients to you, whether it's what's being 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:33.480 put in or what's not being. 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:37.160 Put in to a product, Very important, very important. I 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.120 mean I'm someone that you know I eat or I 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:44.160 shop organically. Let's say, Okay, I eat out in restaurants 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.080 a lot. So I'm not going to say I eat 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.920 exclusive organic because I don't. I have let go on 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:55.440 any neurosis about making things not work for me food wise, 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:57.760 because they're not supposed to work. You know, there's so 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.520 much noise that like goes into our head and what 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.160 you should and shouldn't eat. I've tried to be a vegan. 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.640 I can't. My body craves meat. I eat meat. I 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:08.360 try to eat the best kind of meat, not too 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.160 much of it. I've tried to quit coffee. I can't. 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.720 I try to do singles. I go back to double 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.560 I try to do organic, I go back to an espresso. 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:19.880 I'm like, okay, Bobby, stop making yourself crazy. Do what 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:20.600 feels good. 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.440 We kind of talked about, you know, injectables and things 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.640 like cosmetic surgery, that you do not do those things right? 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.200 What is your I guess message to someone who is 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:33.680 thinking about it but scared or feels pressured to do it. 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:35.360 Of course, if someone wants to do it, they could 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.760 do what they want. But if they're feeling pressure to 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:39.440 do it, what would your advice be? 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:44.920 Well, who's pressuring you? Number one? And you can always 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.200 do it. You don't have to rush into something. You know, 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.360 there's certain things you do which are permanent. You know 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.560 you're going to get a tattoo, smack on your neck 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:55.360 or your ankle. Guys, it's permanent. You know you're gonna 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.040 shoot something in your face, you know once or so 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.480 it's not that permanent. But once you start. I always 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.240 say to people, it's like going into your garden. Have 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:07.600 you ever tried weeding? Where do you stop? I have 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.360 choice in my life done botox when I was in 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.160 my early forties a it had just come out. It 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.760 wasn't as scary then, but it didn't work for me. 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.440 My husband until the other day didn't even know it 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.160 because I was too scared to tell him. One time 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.600 I had an eye droop and another time I had 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.240 one eyebrow that was up to a point, and I 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:30.480 remember saying myself, Okay, dude, don't do it. This isn't 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:33.280 for you. Someone sending you a message. And I also 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:37.080 realize at a certain age, if I did botox now, 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.760 it wouldn't match the rest of my face, Like you 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.080 can't have a forehead that doesn't move in a neck 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.120 that does right right, it doesn't work. 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.440 Having so many of these conversations about the skin, I'm 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.400 realizing more and more that the choice is really ours 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.000 when it comes to taking care of our own skin. 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.040 Just like I follow my intuition with what I eat 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:00.280 and what I do, the same goes for skincare. I 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.640 know that I always want to be making a conscious 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:06.240 choice of what I'm doing versus listening to some social 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.120 media advice or even my friends. I need to bring 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.600 the choice into my own and this is where I'd 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.360 like to bring in Doctor Adeline Kickup. As a board 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:18.920 certified dermatologist, she's seen this pressure firsthand, coming up right 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:32.880 after the break, welcome back. You know, as a mom 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:36.120 of a daughter, I'm always thinking about how much pressure 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:40.200 girls in their teens, preteens, even in their twenties and older, 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:44.800 particularly on Instagram and on social media, and I wanted 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:48.320 to speak with doctor Kikum about feeling that pressure and 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:49.760 how it affects her patience. 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.680 And I think is more higher for gen ziers because 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.680 they are inundated with this right in the palm of 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:00.960 their hands. They are very self critical of your appearances, 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.520 so when they come to the office, there's this urge 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.160 to really move what I can move faster than your 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.320 shadows when it comes to appearance, right, they want your 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.440 nose to look a certain way, they want your chicks 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:14.400 to look a certain way, and I'm like, you're still growing. 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:17.200 Right, And the point of reference is usually someone who's 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.800 actually like augmented their face most likely. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.400 Yes, exactly. 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:25.120 And then we also have the filters that are creating 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:30.880 very unreasonable expectations. So it's reassuring them, educating them that 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.240 what they're seeing. They have to be cognizant that it's 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:38.960 not real a lot of times, and nobody is that perfect. Right. 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.320 It's interesting that you're a medical doctor and you actually 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.480 have to explain something that's out of the medical field. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.040 You know that these filters are not real, that these 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:52.400 are augmented, because our reality, or a young person's reality, 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:53.840 is cute. 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.880 Very very true, and it helps for them to hear 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.160 it from me because sometimes parents are frustrated, you know, 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:03.200 the kid harasses the parents about oh I look like this, 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.200 I don't like this, so they want to hear from 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.320 a different expert to really break it down to them 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.040 and say, hey, you're still growing. You think your face 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.320 is going to be always like this, but it's not. 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.439 Let's not do certain things prematurely. Let's wait till you 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.240 know you're an adult age where you can have a 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:25.360 greater insight on some of these things and personalizing your routine, 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:29.600 personalizing your skin health to something that makes sense for them, 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:34.200 something that is achievable, something that is doable, and really 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:35.560 really building up. 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:36.479 Your self esteem. 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:40.840 And then for older patients, they are coming in wanting 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.560 to feel better about themselves. Right, Maybe they grew up 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:49.119 in an era that they didn't have access to certain procedures, 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:53.120 whether cosmetic or whatever, or they just feel like they're 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.479 in a certain profession, maybe like sales, and these are 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:00.600 all people that are growing through societal pressures. So for me, 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:06.120 it is reassuring and managing expectations within that natural process 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:10.320 of aging of what can you do and still do 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.800 things in a healthy manner. The idea is to never 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:17.160 as a doctor, do any harm, to go overboard when 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:21.080 it comes to your cosmetic options or just even general 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:22.240 skin care advice. 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.760 Doctor Adeline says it's important that we don't think of 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.280 our skin and its aging simply as an aesthetic issue. 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.240 Just like you go for checkups or your kidneys, your heart. 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:35.240 Skin is the same way. So much of the fixation 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.119 shouldn't be on the esthetics as much as what is 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.080 happening to the structural integrity and the function that we're 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:45.040 talking about when we say we're aging. So I want 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.280 to educate people to know what is going on from 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:52.840 that perspective. Now why you should use sun protection instead 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.119 of just saying, you know, let's talk about how we 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.879 could diminish your wrinkles, but what is happening when you 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:02.400 go out under the sun. You what we call oxidative 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:06.680 damage is happening can increase your risk to cancer. So 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:11.520 instead of just emphasizing just the esthetic part, I try 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:14.120 to remind them of the medical part. When you start 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.480 looking at the skin as an organ and the reasons 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.280 why you're doing some of these things, not wholly from 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.919 a cosmetic but from a medical perspective, it really centers you. 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:26.920 And even as a dermatologist, I don't like the term 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.680 aging gracefully, like it puts so much pressure on people 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:34.840 to be youthful or to focus on the youthfulness of 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:39.600 the aging process and doing everything to counteract that instead 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:43.680 of recognizing that we're aging, and how do we support 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:48.040 the skin true is decline in structural integrity and function? 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.080 How do we make our skin work for us in 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:52.000 our skin care? 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.760 Can wrinkles or sagging skin ever become an actual medical 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:59.119 problem or is it simply just a culture norm that 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:01.200 we expect not to have these things. 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:06.560 So it's a fine line, especially in dermatology, because we 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:10.840 are dealing with an organ that is also very visible. 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:14.040 You know. I joke with my cadeologist friends and I'm like, 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:19.680 you're just so lucky your organ is like inside. 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:19.720 Right, you know. 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:24.080 So there's because the skin is open to a lot 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:29.080 of interpretations, you know, people's standards of beauty, esthetics and 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.359 so many things. But there are medical issues that happen 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:34.480 in the framework of everything as well. 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:34.960