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Speaker 2: Who amongst us hasn't thought a little bit about our

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Speaker 2: So to cut through all those layers, we're bringing in

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Speaker 2: someone who's lived in the beauty industry for decades and

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Speaker 2: who has a unique and refreshing approach to aging. That's right,

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Speaker 2: it's the one and only Bobby Brown.

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Speaker 3: If I look in the mirror and I don't look good,

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Speaker 3: Or have I been working too hard? Not balanced? Exhausted?

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Speaker 3: What did I eat last night? So to me, it's

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Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome. I'm so glad you're here.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nicole Berry and this is Skin Querries, a show

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Speaker 2: all about our skin and its health as we grow in.

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Speaker 2: Our skin is really a record of a life well lived,

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Speaker 2: because there isn't one body part that I could think

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Speaker 2: skin So let's go on this journey together to really

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Speaker 2: understand what's going on with our skin. Let's unravel the

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Speaker 2: mysteries happening inside and out.

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Speaker 1: Today we're talking about aging.

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Speaker 2: We can't do an entire season talking about skin and

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Speaker 2: health without talking about aging. Whether it's sun spots, lines, wrinkles, creases,

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Speaker 2: there's no turning back the clock. Aging is inevitable. Our

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Speaker 2: personal choice is in how we deal with it. So

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Speaker 2: for me, I like to feel my best, and that

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Speaker 2: means taking care of my body, taking care of what

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Speaker 2: I eat, how I move, And my skin routine actually

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Speaker 2: is quite simple. I love cleansing my skin with a

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Speaker 1: I'm on my way.

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Speaker 2: If I'm going to be in the sun, I add

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Speaker 2: the occasional laser. But for the most part, it's pretty simple.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps in an alternate universe, aging gracefully would simply refer

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Speaker 2: to healthy living and taking care of ourselves. We'd value

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Speaker 2: the wisdom of our elders and see their lived experience

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Speaker 2: as something to celebrate and not to actually hide. But

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Speaker 2: for now, I'd say, aging confidently and quote unquote naturally

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Speaker 2: much to think about today. We'll speak with dermatologists doctor

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Speaker 2: Adeline Kickham, but first the founder of Jones Road Beauty

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Speaker 2: and in my mind a cultural and beauty icon. It's

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Speaker 2: none other than Bobby Brown.

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Speaker 3: And I'm the one you thought of about aging.

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Speaker 2: I know I'm very young at heart, to be honest,

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Speaker 2: the reason that I thought of you first is because

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Speaker 2: in all of our conversations that we've had, I guess

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Speaker 2: present yourself as you are, as you truly are has

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Speaker 2: I've always respected that so much since I was a teenager.

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Speaker 2: Right getting your book Teenage Beauty, it was kind of

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Speaker 1: So I guess, broad scope, what is your approach when

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I don't feel any older than

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Speaker 3: you are. I don't think of myself as any older

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Speaker 3: in terms of, oh my god, I can't believe how

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Speaker 3: It's not about if you have lines or don't. It's

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Speaker 3: You know, as someone that makes products, I know that firsthand.

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Speaker 2: How important are ingredients to you, whether it's what's being

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Speaker 2: Having so many of these conversations about the skin, I'm

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Speaker 2: Just like I follow my intuition with what I eat

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Speaker 4: And I think is more higher for gen ziers because

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Speaker 2: It's interesting that you're a medical doctor and you actually

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Speaker 2: You know that these filters are not real, that these

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Speaker 4: Very very true, and it helps for them to hear

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Speaker 4: Let's not do certain things prematurely. Let's wait till you

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Speaker 4: So it's a fine line, especially in dermatology, because we

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Speaker 4: So you have to be able to when evaluating a patient,

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Speaker 2: It's a message we've come back to so many times

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Speaker 2: so much, doctor Adeline Kicom for your perspective.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome. Let's bring Bobby back for the last word today.

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Speaker 2: Do you think as far as like leaving our listener

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Speaker 3: What would you say, Well, think about what you're putting

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Speaker 3: It's a struggle I have.

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Speaker 1: I have water everywhere I go.

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Speaker 3: There's a huge difference if I do hydrate myself correctly

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Speaker 3: you do that? I'm like, because I'd rather have a cocktail.

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Speaker 3: I won't give up my cocktail.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Bobby, I really appreciate you taking the

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Speaker 1: It's really awesome.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, I'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, Bobby, Bye, bye bye.

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Speaker 2: It's always such a treat and pleasure to speak to

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Speaker 2: beauty legend Bobby Brown. She really shares so much wisdom

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Speaker 2: about not only aging naturally, but simply taking care of

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Speaker 2: And clearly it has worked for her and it's such

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Speaker 2: as always, be your own advocate, know your own body

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Speaker 2: and skin, follow that intuition, because if an issue arises,

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Speaker 2: don't be afraid to reach out for help. Skin Queries

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Speaker 2: is hosted by myself Nicole Berry, an executive produced by

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Speaker 2: Evon Sheehan.

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Speaker 1: Our senior producer is Tory Weldon.

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Speaker 2: by Sam Sagan. If you enjoy the show, share it

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