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Speaker 1: From Bloomberg News and I Heart Radio. It's the big Take.

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Speaker 1: I'm West Coastsova. Today, India aims to become the next

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Speaker 1: economic powerhouse. As many of the world's biggest economies have

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Speaker 1: slowed recently, India is spending billions of dollars to attract

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Speaker 1: global investors and boost manufacturing. Prime Minister Narendra Moody aims

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Speaker 1: to propel India to the top ranks of world economic powers,

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Speaker 1: alongside the US and China, and with a population of

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Speaker 1: one point four billion, it's edging past China as the

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Speaker 1: country with the most people on Earth. But to meet

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Speaker 1: his goals, Moody will have to tangle with the remnants

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Speaker 1: of India's bureaucracy and a legacy of corruption that has

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Speaker 1: gap between rich and poor. We dig into all of

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Speaker 1: that today. My colleagues Kai Schultz and Vrishdi ben of

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Speaker 1: All have written a deeply reported story about India's growth.

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Speaker 1: Banks have predicted that India will drive a fifth of

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Speaker 1: world expansion in this decade, making only one of three

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Speaker 1: in the world that can generate more than four or

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Speaker 1: so billion dollars in annual output. Growth. Apple has been

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Speaker 1: boosting its manufacturing in India. It has been exporting phones

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Speaker 1: which are made in India. So there is some promise,

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Speaker 1: it seems. Now we'll hear from them in just a bit. First,

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Speaker 1: Milan Vishnev joins me. He's director of the South Asia

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Speaker 1: Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington,

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Speaker 1: and he joins me now to talk about Prime Minister Modi,

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Speaker 1: the man who is pushing for India to reach these

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Speaker 1: ambitious goals. Milan, today we're talking all about out India's ambitions.

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Speaker 1: How much can we attribute India's recent economic growth to

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Speaker 1: Modi himself? Well, I think that's a very complicated question.

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Speaker 1: I mean, undoubtedly, as the Prime minister, he gets the

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Speaker 1: blame or credit for India's trajectory. But you know, India

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Speaker 1: has seen a revolution in its economic performance since the

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Speaker 1: early nine nineties when it underwent pretty sweeping market friendly

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Speaker 1: liberal economic reforms, right, and so in some sense, much

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Speaker 1: of the dynamism we see in India over the past

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Speaker 1: those reforms. In fact, Prime Minister Modis economic performance since

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Speaker 1: coming to power has been rather patchy. Now, of course,

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Speaker 1: He's had some external shocks like COVID, but he's also

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Speaker 1: had some self inflicted wounds like demonetization. You know, this

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Speaker 1: uh wild idea that you can invalidalidate almost all Indian

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Speaker 1: think what we are seeing right now is really the

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Speaker 1: product of larger international factors and the fact that at

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Speaker 1: a time that China is slowing, there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of headwinds in the western economies, India and relative comparison

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Speaker 1: looks like the healthy performer. One of the things that

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Speaker 1: has driven the growth, I imagine, is in his population growth.

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Speaker 1: How much is just this enormous population itself a driver

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Speaker 1: of economic growth that may have happened no matter who

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Speaker 1: was in charge. Well, you know, I think it's definitely

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Speaker 1: an important factor. I mean, economists have this term called

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Speaker 1: the demographic dividend, which is some countries have this youth

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Speaker 1: go on to their early sixties when they are in

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Speaker 1: the prime working condition of their lives. And India has

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Speaker 1: just a mass of ofly large number of people who

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Speaker 1: and so it is definitely seen as a plus. But

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Speaker 1: I should, you know, just issue a caveat here, which

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Speaker 1: is this is premised on people finding gainful employment that

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Speaker 1: is going to sustain them, sustain their families, sustain their homes.

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Speaker 1: And we are seeing right now a reasonable level of

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Speaker 1: warning sign for people who are looking out and trying

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Speaker 1: The unemployment rate in India is very low because as

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Speaker 1: They're working part time, they're working in informal parts of

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Speaker 1: some of the challenge that Modi has faced at home.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned one of them demonetization, which caused a lot

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Speaker 1: what that was and what happened. Yeah, So two pretty

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Speaker 1: large world changing events happened in November two thousand sixteen.

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Speaker 1: This created, as you might imagine, a massive panic, right,

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Speaker 1: this rather bizarre draconian exercise that essentially was a wash

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Speaker 1: last five or six years. But the question is, you know,

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Speaker 1: And yet Moody recovered from that. How did he wind up,

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of calming all of this discontent. It

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Speaker 1: to the fat cats who have fleeced this country. Right,

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Speaker 1: So I may be suffering as an ordinary Indian waiting

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Speaker 1: doing something. What is the opposition doing? Right? Moody has

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Speaker 1: only did it not hurt him, it helped him win elections.

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Speaker 1: And another big challenge he faced more recently was when

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Speaker 1: area that states have jealously guarded. The central government acted

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Speaker 1: actually it has interstate commerce implications, so therefore we can act.

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Speaker 1: This created such an uproar amongst farmers, particularly farmers in

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Speaker 1: the existing scheme, the existing subsidy scheme, the existing kind

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Speaker 1: And it was one of those rare times where the

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Speaker 1: So we're basically back to square one today in India.

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Speaker 1: One thing that Modi has done, which has drawn a

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Speaker 1: And I wonder how that's playing out in India itself

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Speaker 1: an Indian. And this government, particularly in its second term,

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Speaker 1: And what we have seen is that NARENDRMDI and his

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Speaker 1: heart of the political tension. Our conversation continues after the

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Speaker 1: skillfully navigated the various cross currents of Indian society and

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Speaker 1: feels a little bit closer to a kind of Cold

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Speaker 1: War dynamic where you have, yes, a powerful United States,

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Speaker 1: but a very powerful and rising China, and then you

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Speaker 1: like the European Union collection of countries, or India, which

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Speaker 1: are seeking to flex their muscles. And what India has

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