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Speaker 1: things happen, it kind of man, this is I don't

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Speaker 1: know if this is going to work or is if

435
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Speaker 1: Nick Bolton can be resigned, but to get him back

436
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Speaker 1: and what the Chiefs have done here one again, there's

437
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,919
Speaker 1: more than meets the eye for Trey Smith. There's more

438
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,720
Speaker 1: than meets the eye in the way that that right

439
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,880
Speaker 1: guard position is so vital to this offense. Because it's

440
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Speaker 1: not something we watch a lot when we're watching a

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Speaker 1: game unless you review the video after a game. For

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Speaker 1: Nick Bolton, we know how skilled he is amassing all

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Speaker 1: these tackles. He's a great tackler, but the fact that

444
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,640
Speaker 1: he's the green dot and the valedictorian of this defense

445
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:08,080
Speaker 1: in many ways, you can't necessarily easily replace that guy,

446
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Speaker 1: especially in Steve Spagnolo's system.

447
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Speaker 2: So you and I love stats. We love stats. I've

448
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 2: made it like my whole career. But Nick Bolton's the

449
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Speaker 2: kind of player that the stats just don't tell the

450
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Speaker 2: full story. And the one thing I keep thinking about

451
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Speaker 2: with Nick, and I'm so glad that he's back, is

452
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 2: how he's the quarterback of this defense. And we have

453
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Speaker 2: examples of this about how it makes a difference. And

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Speaker 2: we had Trent McDuffie on this podcast during the season

455
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Speaker 2: and he gave an awesome example because Trent in Super

456
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 2: Bowl fifty eight, if you go back to that game,

457
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Speaker 2: it's kind of a forgotten play, which it shouldn't be

458
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Speaker 2: because it saved the game. But the Niners are facing

459
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 2: like third and five driving, they're in a field goal

460
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Speaker 2: range already, and it's right before the two minute warning,

461
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Speaker 2: and Trent comes on a quarterback Blitz brought Party's pass.

462
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Speaker 2: It's knocked down by Trent because he was in the

463
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Speaker 2: perfect spot. The Niners kicked the field goal. We know

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Speaker 2: what happened. Next, Mahomes goes down the field, ties the game.

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Speaker 2: We went in overtime already completed that pass. Or if

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Speaker 2: they get a first down, the Niners are going to

467
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Speaker 2: win the game because they're going to milk the clock

468
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Speaker 2: all the way down to one second, kick a field goal,

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Speaker 2: I guess unless Moody missed it, but they're going to

470
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Speaker 2: kick field goal, probably win. And we're going to look

471
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Speaker 2: back at that and say, wow, we lost the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: We want it because of that play and many others,

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Speaker 2: but that play in particular, and Trent told us Nick

474
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Speaker 2: Bolton called that play. We called time out right beforehand.

475
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Speaker 2: Nick Bolton saw something and he called that play, and

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Speaker 2: Steve Bagnolo trusted him. Without Nick Bolton, who knows what

477
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Speaker 2: happens on that play, who knows what happens in that

478
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl. We have a ring on our finger because

479
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Speaker 2: of that play in so many ways, and Nick Bolton

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Speaker 2: is the reason that happened. So there's a bunch of

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Speaker 2: examples of things like that that we don't know about

482
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Speaker 2: that We never learn about because we just see the

483
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Speaker 2: end result of a play. But Nick Bolton is so

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Speaker 2: vialable to this defense because he is an extension of

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Speaker 2: Steve Bagnolo on the field, and you cannot quantify that

486
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Speaker 2: such an excellent point.

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Speaker 1: We see the physical skills of a Trey Smith or

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Speaker 1: a Nick Bolton, but what is not easily apparent or

489
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Speaker 1: those inside stories of what they mean in every facet

490
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 1: of this football team on and off the field. So

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Speaker 1: to get and go into twenty twenty five with Nick

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Speaker 1: Bolton and Trey Smith on this team is a big deal.

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Speaker 1: The other one is Hollywood Brown. The rocket never left

494
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Speaker 1: this launching pad. We saw it in Saint Joseph. You

495
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Speaker 1: and I were so excited about, Oh my gosh, a

496
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Speaker 1: triumvirent of Hollywood Brown and Xavier Worthy and Rashie Rice

497
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Speaker 1: never saw it, and the rocket never took off. And

498
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Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown gets hurt in Jacksonville in the first preseason

499
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Speaker 1: game basically in his first touch, and only nine catches

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Speaker 1: in the very end of the regular season, thirteen targets

501
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Speaker 1: and five catches in the playoffs. That's it. So we

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Speaker 1: were both thinking, are we not even going to see this. Ever,

503
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Speaker 1: it's like having a Hey, a great movie is going

504
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Speaker 1: to be shown to me, and they leave the theater

505
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Speaker 1: before you even get there. So I'm excited to see

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Speaker 1: what Hollywood Brown can do a year into the system,

507
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Speaker 1: already having a training camp and his ability to team up.

508
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Speaker 1: We'll see what goes on with Rashie Rice, his recovery

509
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Speaker 1: and everything else. But the fact that Xavier Worthy and

510
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Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown can be together should get all the Chiefs

511
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Speaker 1: Kingdom fired up.

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Speaker 2: I'm such a Hollywood Brown fan, and I was devastated

513
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 2: when he got hurt in the preseason. But for him

514
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Speaker 2: to come back and really change everything on offense, he

515
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 2: changed everything. The offense had a whole different vibe when

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Speaker 2: he was out there late in the year, specifically against

517
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Speaker 2: Houston and against Pittsburgh. Just the offense had more juice

518
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Speaker 2: to it, I felt like, and just more options. It

519
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Speaker 2: was more diversified. A couple of plays that come to mind.

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Speaker 2: How about the fourth down conversion against the Texans in

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Speaker 2: the regular season game that was his first catch as

522
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Speaker 2: a member of the Chiefs and just a little underneath

523
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Speaker 2: shallow crosser, but Hollywood Brown, his quickness underneath his playmaking ability.

524
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Speaker 2: He can make that play when maybe others can't. Another

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Speaker 2: one was against the Steelers on Christmas. So it was

526
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Speaker 2: a six point game, I think, and it was early

527
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Speaker 2: in the third quarter. We just gotten called for holding,

528
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Speaker 2: I think. So it's like second and seventeen. It's like, oh, man,

529
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Speaker 2: here we go. We're gonna have to punt and Steelers

530
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Speaker 2: will go down and make it a game. Well, Mahomes

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Speaker 2: found Hollywood on a underneath crosser again, like twenty yards

532
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Speaker 2: first down, and it's like, oh, well, there we go,

533
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Speaker 2: fresh set of downs. Hollywood is so good underneath because

534
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Speaker 2: of his quickness and his agility and also as a

535
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Speaker 2: deep threat. Saw that against I think the Texans later

536
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Speaker 2: in the year in the playoff game. He couldn't hang on,

537
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Speaker 2: but it was right there. He's a dynamic player who

538
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: can do so much in this offense and cannot wait

539
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Speaker 2: till finally after more than a year of waiting to

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Speaker 2: see him and Rashi and Xavier on the field at

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Speaker 2: the same time.

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Speaker 1: And what we saw in those two crossing routes you

543
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Speaker 1: alluded to, and I remember seeing it in real time

544
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Speaker 1: and then going back and reviewing the video. His ability

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Speaker 1: to be a precise route runner.

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Speaker 2: Precise, Yeah, and to.

547
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Speaker 1: Run crossers, to run post, to run the push fade.

548
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: That's a big part of this offense. The slice route

549
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Speaker 1: that I love that Xavier Worthy got down later in

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Speaker 1: the year.

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Speaker 2: It is a.

552
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Speaker 1: Testimony to the precision the steps you have to make.

553
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Speaker 1: So those of you like to dance, I mean there's

554
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Speaker 1: steps one, two, three, four, five, six, that's the same

555
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 1: it is with the receiver. And when you can do

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Speaker 1: it without thinking and you know the depth of your

557
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: route and where to run it, especially where the defense

558
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: is playing you, it's again something that is a learn trait,

559
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Speaker 1: even for the most skilled of players. And the fact

560
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Speaker 1: that Hollywood Brown is such a precise route runner just

561
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Speaker 1: excites me to see where he can go from here.

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Speaker 2: Because both of those plays, if you go back and

563
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 2: watch him, Kelse is the reason they opened up.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

565
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Speaker 2: But if Hollywood was too fast out of his break,

566
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Speaker 2: or wasn't fast enough, or just didn't time it correctly,

567
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: neither play works. And especially the one against the Steelers,

568
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Speaker 2: you see him time it just perfectly in the zone defense.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we could talk for hours about Hollywood, but

570
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: so excited that he's back and happy for him. Too,

571
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Speaker 2: because he wants to be a part of this. He

572
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: signed here for a reason, wanted to come here and

573
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Speaker 2: have a big year of Patrick Mahomes. It was taken

574
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Speaker 2: away from him. It's a testament to him that he

575
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Speaker 2: fought back and was able to play late in the year.

576
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Speaker 2: But he deserves a full season in this offense and

577
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Speaker 2: we're going to get it.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully the rocket launches, because it really never left the

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Speaker 1: pad last year. So black, if you're looking at the Raiders,

580
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Speaker 1: it is not a good color for the Chiefs Kingdom,

581
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Speaker 1: but for us in way that we look at the

582
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Speaker 1: off season and where we categories categorize these players, black

583
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: can be a very good color in March, April, and May,

584
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Speaker 1: and so we like, that's where we're starting instead of

585
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Speaker 1: making third in the sequence. So let's jump out out

586
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Speaker 1: of green. Green means go and green means gain. So

587
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: who did you gain so far? And we'll start and

588
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Speaker 1: do this in order Jalen Moore to get him from

589
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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. Interesting selection. The left tackle market

590
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Speaker 1: and free agency not vast. When you look at the draft,

591
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Speaker 1: it's like almost every year where you get okay who's

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Speaker 1: ready to start at left tackle, which is a premium spot.

593
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Speaker 1: And even if you start at the tackle position in

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Speaker 1: this league, look at the Chargers, what Rashaun Slater had

595
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: to go through or Joe Altz, there's still a steep

596
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: learning curve for the most penny. So well, these guys,

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Speaker 1: there's still it's not instant they're going to go out

598
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: there and become Anthony Munhos right away. All right. All

599
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: that being said, for the Chiefs to get Jalen Moore

600
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Speaker 1: from the forty nine Ers was a significant move and

601
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Speaker 1: work to be done, but you get the basically the

602
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Speaker 1: backup left tackle for the forty nine ers. Oh, by

603
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Speaker 1: the way, he backed up one of the best left

604
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Speaker 1: tackles to play in recent years.

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Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this, and you make a good

606
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: point about how even when you take a guy in

607
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: the top ten, there's always a learning curve. What are

608
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: the two ways to find a left tackle in the NFL?

609
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: Generally speaking, it's be really bad and picking the top

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Speaker 2: ten and find a guy like Rashaun Slater or Joe

611
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: Wall or to be lucky and to have one of

612
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: the best left tackles in the league, hit free agency,

613
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 2: which rarely happens, and then to pay that guy a

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Speaker 2: ton of money, which is difficult, especially when you're a

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Speaker 2: team like the Chiefs that has a lot of good

616
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Speaker 2: players that are making a lot of money. It's hard

617
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: to find that guy because those are the two main

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00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 2: ways to do it, and the Chiefs are rarely in

619
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Speaker 2: a position to do either. You like Moneyball the movie,

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Speaker 2: I'm okay with it.

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Speaker 1: I think it's overrated, really, yeah, only because the A's

622
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: didn't really do anything. They had a long winning streak

623
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Speaker 1: and then, oh my god, Moneyball is such a genius.

624
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: Where's the championships?

625
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: Well, they lost in the divisional round.

626
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, they lost in the divisional round. They didn't even

627
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: get to they didn't want to.

628
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 2: Pennant and then they the twentieth game that they wanted

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Speaker 2: to row against, which is hilarious.

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Speaker 1: The movie's funny. I mean, so there's the Royals, right,

631
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: the old unis.

632
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: Exactly Jason Grimsley. And yeah, anyway, I think the movie

633
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: makes some great points though, and I read the book.

634
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: I love the book. It's all about market inefficiencies and

635
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: taking advantage of those. And even though the A's didn't

636
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 2: win the World Series, they still found a way to

637
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 2: compete with teams like the Yankees, who were paying teams

638
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: a lot more money. Well, I look at this situation,

639
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 2: what's a market inefficiency that we can target to try

640
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: to find a left tackle for this team? And this

641
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 2: might be a way to do it, because, like you said,

642
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: jillen Moore was Trent Williams backup in San Francisco. Trent

643
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: Williams is one of the greatest left tackles of all time,

644
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: so he learned from Trent Williams. Uh And also when

645
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: he was put into action, he played pretty well. So

646
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: looking that last year specifically, he had five starts when

647
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: Williams was hurt, only allowed nine pressures and one sack,

648
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty four pass blocking snaps in those

649
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Speaker 2: five starts, and he played against some good teams in

650
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Speaker 2: those games, teams like the Rams, the Bills, and the Packers.

651
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: So where's the market inefficiency in this Well, Jillen Moore

652
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: was not going to get an opportunity to be the

653
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: full time starter at left tackle in San Francisco because

654
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: they have Trent Williams on their team. So he's not

655
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: getting a ton of attention nationally because he's not playing

656
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: a whole lot. But when he played, he played well.

657
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: Played well in their system, and I think this is

658
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: kind of a savvy move by the Chiefs to identify

659
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: a player like that, to say, hey, this guy played

660
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: really well. He was blocked in San Francisco because Trent

661
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: Williams was there but had an opportunity to learn from

662
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: this player. Let's give him an opportunity here and see

663
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: if he can build on that progress, build him that success.

664
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: And he's still young, so I like the move for

665
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: those reasons. He is to come here and prove it

666
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: and earn that spot, But at least so far, I

667
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: think this is pretty savvy by the Chiefs to do this,

668
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: rather than maybe paying a guy a ton of money

669
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: elsewhere who is okay but not great. You kind of

670
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: know what he is. We don't necessarily know what Jyllen

671
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: Moore is. But there's a lot of upside there, a

672
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: lot of potential there, so I'm excited about it.

673
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't think the Chiefs are done there as well.

674
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: I think there could be more that could have and

675
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: at that position or even along the offensive line.

676
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: Not a lot of snaps.

677
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: Eight hundred and twenty seven snaps in four years, so

678
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: it's basically three games a year. You mentioned thrust into

679
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: the battle last year with with Trent William's injury. To me,

680
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: this is a and I know he's a guard, but

681
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: to me, the comp here is Nick Allegretty. Nick Callagretti

682
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: was a starting caliber player who couldn't start for the

683
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: Kansaity Chiefs, but the Chiefs used him a lot of

684
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: tackle over tackle. You go six offensive linemen which are

685
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: seeing more and more that she used a lot against

686
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: the Chiefs then, and that's you know, that's what he

687
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: did for the forty nine ers. He was some tackle

688
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: over tackle, just like Nick Callagretti did. But when Nick

689
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: had the opportunity, moves on.

690
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: Nick.

691
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: Proud of you, buddy. And the Commanders look like an

692
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: up and coming team. But Nick became a starter, a

693
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: leader on that team. So here we go with Jalen

694
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: Moore and the chance where okay, maybe he's a Nick

695
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: Callagretty here getting his shot.

696
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: He's played behind elite.

697
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: Player getting a chance to be a part of an

698
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: offense in a group. And again, Andy Heck is a

699
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: great teacher. There's this classroom session starts like right away, yeah,

700
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: as quickly as you can. Man. It's like, Jalen, you're

701
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: going to class. I know everybody else is on vacation.

702
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: You're going to be as long as the NFLPA will

703
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: allow it. At the earliest boom, you're dude, get your

704
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: iPad open. And then Corey Mattai. People don't know about

705
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: Corey as much, but he works with the tackles a lot,

706
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: and he's the understudy working with Andy. Heck a lot

707
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: of work to be done there, but there's upside. I

708
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: think the most exciting thing is there could be incredible

709
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: upside here.

710
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: There really could be. And the Allegarty komp is a

711
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: good one because I think about the playoffs a couple

712
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: of years ago, Joe Toney tears his pack against the Bills.

713
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: I mean, for how many teams would that just doom everything?

714
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: You have to go play the Ravens and the forty

715
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: nine ers and those defensive interiors without Joe Toney. Well,

716
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: Al Gretty steps in and played really well and was

717
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: a big reason that we won the Super Bowl that year.

718
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: Kind Of a similar deal for Jalen Moore, not in

719
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: the playoffs, but in an instance where he had to

720
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: step in for one of the greatest left tackles of

721
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: all time, and he played really well and he took

722
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: advantage of his opportunity. Okay, that's great. Now you're here.

723
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: Keep building on that. And you have a great opportunity

724
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: here in Kansas City. How can you grow into an

725
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: even better player than you were in San Francisco. He's

726
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: going to have a shot here to show us what

727
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: he can do.

728
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: We'll do these then sequentially, because next would be Elijah Mitchell.

729
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: And excuse me, we've played the forty nine ers a lot.

730
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: We've talked about that, and so there's more of a

731
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: study here of Elijah Mitchell than a normal NFC team.

732
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: And Elijah Mitchell win healthy was explosive and I remember

733
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: getting ready for the forty nine Ers looking at Elijah

734
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: Mitchell and his game going, oh, this guy could be

735
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: something else. Nine touchdowns rushing in twenty seven games. Get

736
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: your opinion or get your attention. Also a touchdown receiving.

737
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: When he came out of the University of Louisiana, it

738
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: was was a sixth round pick, but then all of

739
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: a sudden, he started to make a splash flash. It's

740
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: just a matter of staying healthy. He has had knee issues.

741
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: He had Liz frank in college foot injury. We had

742
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: the hamstring last year that took him out of the

743
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty fourth season, and then the arrival of Christian

744
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: McCaffrey also changed Elijah Mitchell's life again. I think it's

745
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: very similar here to our discussion about Jalen Moore. Is

746
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:29,239
Speaker 1: their's upside and when healthy, Elijah Mitchell is an explosive.

747
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: Running back And in some ways it's not quite apples

748
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: to apples here, but it reminds me of when we

749
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: signed Jack McKinnon. Now, they're not quite the same kind

750
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: of player, ironically, both from the Niners, but Jeric was

751
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: like an awesome player with the Vikings and then got

752
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: hurt and never really had a chance to show what

753
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: he could do in San Francisco. Came here, and I mean,

754
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: I don't think we had the success that we did

755
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: over the last several years without Jack McKinnon while he

756
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: was here. Well, Elijah's going to have a similar opportunity now.

757
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean in twenty twenty one, he was awesome.

758
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: He had over one thousand yards from scrimmage in twenty

759
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: twenty one. Think only Javante Williams and somebody else. Najie

760
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: Harris had more scrimmage yards among rookie running backs in

761
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, So he was right up there with

762
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: those guys, and I'll tag you.

763
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: He set a forty nine ers franchise record that year

764
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 1: for rookies with his rushing total of nine sixty three. Now, yeah,

765
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: but so think of who the forty nine ers have

766
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: had his rookies when rupt you pot, you're right, it

767
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: gives you an idea of when he's healthy, what can happen.

768
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, even when he's been hurt, if

769
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: you take out the twenty twenty one season and the

770
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: years since, when he's been on the field, he's averaged

771
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: four point seven yards per carry. He's been really effective,

772
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 2: And in twenty twenty three only had seventy five carries

773
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 2: in that season, but broke off seven runs of double

774
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: digit yardage. When he's been on the field and when

775
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: he's been given opportunities, he's been a productive player. Go

776
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: look at his runs against the Giants back in twenty

777
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 2: twenty three, just big explosive runs. So I'm excited about

778
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: what he can do. I think running backs in area

779
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: that we were kind of hoping we could add some

780
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: juice to it. So add some explosion this year and

781
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens in the draft. A lot of

782
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: good running backs in this year's draft, but getting Elijah

783
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: Mitchell had to come here and to try to kind

784
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: of spark some life into his career a little bit.

785
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: Now that he's healthy, this is a great place to

786
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: do it, and I'm excited about it.

787
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, just get healthy, Stay healthy, Elijah, and you can thrive.

788
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: Ten touchdowns in twenty seven games is a pretty good ratio.

789
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 2: Catches your attention very much like a Jerke McKinnon.

790
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: And then, thirdly, Kristin Fulton, the corner of the Chargers

791
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 1: last year. Prior to that the Titans now don't forget

792
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: he was a second round draft pick coming out and

793
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: played at LSU and actually was interesting. He went to

794
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: the same high school as Jamar Chase, so his senior

795
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: year of high school I think was Jamar Chase's sophomore year.

796
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk to him about that. In

797
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: those practices awesome. Now, you may remember Fulton last year

798
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: for En Ignominio's play for the Chiefs Kingdom because he

799
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: had the interception that Rashie Rice loses his season on.

800
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: I went back and looked at it like ten times

801
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: it's a play over the top, Fulton playing over the

802
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: top right kind of playing clemb as cloud coverage, gets

803
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: the pick and then Rashi's trying to tackle him and

804
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: gets hitting the knee.

805
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: Pat.

806
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, you get that play.

807
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: But Christian will make up for it this year.

808
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: He'll make up for it, and he'll be ready to

809
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: and you'll see Pat first thing and be like, hey,

810
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: excited about him for a lot of reasons. One, you're

811
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: getting a veteran five interceptions, a willing tackler. Excuse me,

812
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: but the fact that you look at his forty two

813
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: solo tackles and Matt and I've talked about this over

814
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: and over and over. One thing to not overlook here

815
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: is with Spags, he needs corners who can tackle. Fulton

816
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: is a willing tackler, he even was with the Titans,

817
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: and so the fact that he's there, he's got a

818
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: veteran presence and it allows you to maybe gives some

819
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: fluid and some spagness with Trent McDuffie, because now you're

820
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: moving back into the slot. Some we're going to see

821
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: this experimented. But Fulton gives you that chance because this

822
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: is a veteran corner who's played a lot of football

823
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: in this division for one year, but with the Titans.

824
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: He played a lot of great wide receivers.

825
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: You're getting a veterans, veteran presence who's been productive and

826
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: I'm excited about this pick.

827
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 2: He provides so much flexibility in the scheme, which is

828
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: a big, big deal, and there's ripple effects of this,

829
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, you alluded to it. Think about Nickel. You

830
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: could have Trip McDuffie back on the slot now on

831
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: occasion in Nickel if you have Jalen Watson and now

832
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: Christian Fulton both on the outside. And Fulton has been

833
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: a boundary corner throughout his career. I broke down the numbers.

834
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: He's played at least six hundred and forty snaps and

835
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: each of the last four seasons, every year he's been

836
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: outside as a boundary corner eighty six percent of the

837
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: time or more. So, this is a guy who's not

838
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: going to be in the slot a whole lot. He's

839
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: going to be a boundary corner on the outside. Think

840
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: of like a Jalen Watson kind of type of corner.

841
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: And now you have another one of those. You have

842
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: Jaalen Watson, You Christian Fulton and Trip McDuffie, who is

843
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: one of the best corners in football, can do a

844
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: little bit of everything. If you move Trent back into

845
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: the slot, now you can have Jamari Connor maybe playing

846
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: more of a traditional safety role. I thought Jamuri did

847
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: a pretty good job in the slot last season and

848
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 2: it was difficult trying to fill in for what Trent

849
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 2: did the previous year, but particularly losing Justin Reid. Now

850
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: if you have the ability to move Trent McDuffie back

851
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: on the slot, now you have Jamarry Connor can play

852
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: more safety over the top with Jayden Hicks and Brian Cook,

853
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 2: there's more flexibility in the scheme. And also, just think

854
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: about when Jalen Watson got hurt last season, it impacted

855
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: this defense. We had some inexperience at the other outside

856
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: corner spot in Nickel. Well, now you don't have that.

857
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: Christian Fulton is a veteran who has had a lot

858
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: of success in this league and was really good last

859
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: year for the Chargers. So I'm pumped about this move.

860
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could see Jamari Connor roll go get into

861
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: the Justin Reid role, Yeah, real easily because he's a

862
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: very good run defender. He can play in the box,

863
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 1: but he also can cover, and so the Fulton pick.

864
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: I love what you said.

865
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: It's a ripple effect and being a boundary corner so

866
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: many times you're the short side of the field. And

867
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: in football, whoever invent football as a genius, because it's

868
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: always odd numbers seven points, eleven players and a field

869
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: corner is going to play to the wide side a lot.

870
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: But that means that's where your six guys are, your

871
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: boundary corners, where you have five defenders and the sideliners

872
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: your guy. So many times you're out there with not

873
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: always a lot of help, and so it takes some

874
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: courage and let's go and a tickle against the run

875
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: or what we've seen the Chiefs do better than any

876
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: team I've seen, the bubble screens, the tunnel screens, and

877
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: a part of that is Nick Bolton getting out there

878
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: and a linebacker's having speed. The other part of that

879
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: are the corners being fearless because if they're not there,

880
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: they're like the edge defender on a running play. And

881
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: so Fulton, I see that. I'm excited about him. I

882
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: think you can flourish in the system.

883
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: I've been talking about him all day, like with our

884
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: social team, they're asking about him, and I was like,

885
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 2: I think this might be the move I'm most excited about,

886
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: just because of the flexibility it adds. And again, you

887
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: look at this scheme defensively with Steve Spagnello. Adding a

888
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: player like this if his caliber, just gives you so

889
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: many options and the flexibility within what you're already doing.

890
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is the kind of move. These are

891
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: the things that Brett Veach does so well. And it

892
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: reminds me of when we signed Drew Trenkle a couple

893
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: of years ago. Didn't really see it coming, but it

894
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: happens and it's like, oh man, that might be a

895
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 2: big deal at some point during the year. So fired

896
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: up about this.

897
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: And fired up. So the last category is read who

898
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: you lose? It's a fact of life in the National

899
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: Football League. It is not easy, Matt, and I am

900
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to put something on social I was going

901
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: to earlier than this, and I just can't get.

902
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 2: Ready to type it.

903
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: I just yeah, because we develop relationships with these guys,

904
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: these are special.

905
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: Guys who are moving on.

906
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: We have won rings with these guys, multiple rings with

907
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: most of them, and so it's super hard.

908
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 2: We get to know these guys and their families, like

909
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 2: at the Super Bowl parties, and you get to know them.

910
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 2: And we talk about this every year that it's it's

911
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: difficult because it's a business. We get that, and we're

912
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 2: excited for a lot of these dudes because they're getting

913
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: a lot of money, like Joshuan Wharton comes to mind.

914
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: I love it. But at the same time, they've been

915
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: a part of our lives and kind of a part

916
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: of our family in a lot of ways for a

917
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: long time. We've reached the mountaintop with him, and it's

918
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: difficult to say goodbye to him, at least for now.

919
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: And neither one of us are going to apologize for that.

920
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons this franchise wins we've talked

921
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: about it is the fact that the relationships that are

922
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: built to get you through the difficult times, and these

923
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: guys all that way. What would Joe Toney, of course

924
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: traded the Bears a four time Super Bowl champ. We

925
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: know he saved the season by going out and playing

926
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 1: left tackle.

927
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 2: He's the MVP based on the Player Awards. Is the

928
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: Derek Thomas MVP for this year has voted on by.

929
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: The locker, our guard slash tackle like it's just incredible,

930
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: and being a first team All Pro twice tells you everything.

931
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: Justin Watson and I remember those first and Pats own

932
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: OTAs before Ota starts like, who's this guy from the

933
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: Buccaneers who played like a pen?

934
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: Uh huh, Like he's fast, he has four to four.

935
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: We saw him do so many big things at the

936
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: right time, nine touchdowns. But for Justin Watson, it was

937
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: making big catches at critical time in the playoff run,

938
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: two point conversions and kind of when you needed something

939
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: like what's even and there would be Justin Watson to

940
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: make a play. Fearless dude, great dude. Wishing the best

941
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: with the Texans until we play him, we play them

942
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: this year. But this is one we'll just start with

943
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: these two. Let's just start with Tuny and Watson. Moving

944
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: on and how these hurt. Let's just be honest, they hurt.

945
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: We'll figure it out. You got to move on. It's

946
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: the way the NFL is. But you give these guys

947
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: their respect.

948
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: Tony is just the ultimate pro. Think about the twenty

949
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: twenty one offseason. It was all about rebuilding the offensive line,

950
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: and we give twenty a huge deal, and a lot

951
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: of times free agent deals you look back at it

952
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, that was okay, that was an alright investment.

953
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: I mean, that might be one of the greatest free

954
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: agent signings in Chief's history, just considering how he helped

955
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: stabilize everything on the offensive line. If you look at

956
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 2: Pro football focused numbers, he was like the best or

957
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: the second or third best at worst every year he

958
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: was here at his position, and then he had a

959
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: bounce outside at left tackle the final however, many games

960
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: of the season this year really did save the season

961
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: in so many ways, and he's a primary reason we

962
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: got to the Super Bowl considering the situation we were

963
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 2: in last season. So Joe's the best, and I'm happy

964
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: for him to go to Chicago and hopefully have a

965
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: lot of success there. It's difficult to say goodbye to

966
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: a player like that, but he helped us win and

967
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: you know, flags fly forever. I always say that, So

968
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: I'm so glad Joe was able to help us win.

969
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: And for Justin Watson, just an amazing story. Originally came

970
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: here with nothing promised or guaranteed. It was just a

971
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: matter of, hey, you're going to be out there with

972
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 2: fifty other guys and they're all vying for a spot too,

973
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 2: and we'll see what you got. And he not only

974
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: made this team, but he helped this team win, help

975
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 2: his team win playoff games and get to the Super

976
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: Bowl and win the Super Bowl. We had a chance

977
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: to meet his family several times. They listened to DTK,

978
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: which is always cool, and his family's awesome, and we

979
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 2: had him on our show during the season. He had

980
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: some really inspirational things to say about his brother. Just

981
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 2: an amazing, amazing guy and happy for him that he's

982
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 2: getting now another contract in the NFL and he's sticking

983
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 2: around and going to help the Texans win some games.

984
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: So both those guys were awesome and wish them all

985
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 2: the best. And unless we're playing them obviously.

986
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and mentioned you know Tuney again. To play guard

987
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: in this system, is it a zone run scheme, No,

988
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: it can be. We do that inside zone, outside zone.

989
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: Got to be able to pull obviously, pass protect. There's

990
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: a lot on the table for these guards who play

991
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: for the Kansas City Chiefs. And Joe did it terrific

992
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: and Justin watched in so many great moments. Turk Wharton

993
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: is a hard one to walk out the door.

994
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember.

995
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: So it's COVID.

996
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: It's twenty twenty.

997
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: You and I are watching otsh we're watching camp, and

998
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: we're watching it from two hundred yards away. Basically, we're

999
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: two hundred yards away, set up on a stage in

1000
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: the corner where we're I think we're properly distanced because

1001
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: so far we're even the same.

1002
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: The shout if I want to talk to you, Marrit.

1003
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: Code and yet and we're like, oh, he's a free

1004
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: agent from Missouri s and T. Missouri s and T

1005
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: and urala Missouri is a phenomenal university. If you look

1006
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: at its academic record, it's impeccable. If you look at

1007
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: the average income of a Missouri s and T graduate,

1008
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: it's like top ten in the country going up now too,

1009
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: And oh boy, yeah, for sure nice. But they've had

1010
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: one NFL player in the history of Missouri s and

1011
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: T formerly Missouri Minds, and that is Turk Wharton. And

1012
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: I remember Luke Benna was shooting then and he could

1013
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: get closer. He had a mask on, but we were

1014
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: watching through our binoculars trying to like, oh my gosh,

1015
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,959
Speaker 1: Turk Wharton's not bad. He's pretty good. Then we start

1016
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: to look him up like in the Great Lakes Conference,

1017
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: like Division two, Like, okay, is he an engineer? Is

1018
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: he an architect? Okay, well I don't know what do you?

1019
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: And then we heard what Luke Benna had heard from

1020
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: Frank Clark. Oh yeah, that's right, remember, and Frank Clark

1021
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: was going uh huh, like Frank Clark had given Turk

1022
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: Wharton his seal of approval long before the Chiefs Kingdom

1023
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: even knew who Turk Wharton was.

1024
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: Man.

1025
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 1: And look what has happened over the last several years.

1026
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: Three postseason sacks, his postseason play. He has made giant,

1027
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: impactful plays, and his ACL injury really set him back.

1028
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: Athletic quickness, toughness, Carolina, you're getting a great player and

1029
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: a person in Turk Wharton. This one hurts the same

1030
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: go out the door.

1031
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: Yeah it does. I remember you texted me asking when

1032
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: Turk was going to get fitted for his gold jacket

1033
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty. You're like, this guy's like really

1034
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: really good and just watching him. He had some ludicrous

1035
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: stats at Missouri s and T like truly ridiculous stats,

1036
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: but he went to a small school and the competition

1037
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: was so so, and just didn't get a lot of

1038
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,479
Speaker 2: attention in the draft process. And he was a little

1039
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: bit shorter, right, so he didn't like hit these measurables

1040
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: that sometimes NFL scouts looked for. What did he say

1041
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 2: to that, I don't care. I'm gonna go out there

1042
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: and ball out and be the best player I can be.

1043
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: He helped his team win year after year, had a

1044
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 2: lot of success, never planed, always just did his role

1045
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 2: towards ACL like you said, and just fought back to

1046
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: now get a big contract from the Panthers. This is

1047
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: what the NFL is all about in the end. It's

1048
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: guys like this who are not given much of a

1049
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 2: shot to find success. They get one opportunity and they

1050
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: make the most of it and they turn it into

1051
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: generational wealth for him and a long NFL career, I mean,

1052
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: just really really cool. So I think we kind of

1053
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: felt the same way about Nick Alaghretty last year, where

1054
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: a player that you're like, he probably is going to

1055
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: go somewhere else and find a lot of success because

1056
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 2: he played way better than anybody could have anticipated. And

1057
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 2: we were happy for Nick, and we're happy for Tshawn

1058
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: because he deserves it.

1059
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: Justin Reid going to the Saints. He'll join now the

1060
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 1: New Orleans former Chiefs. They need to change their nickname

1061
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: from the Saints to the FCS.

1062
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: Let's go over it. So so Tana Pasiks, Tirem Matthew,

1063
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 2: Colin Saunders, Dan Sowarson. Isn't there anymore? Right? No, he's not. Okay,

1064
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: whom I forget? Willy Gaju and really Gay Junior. That's

1065
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 2: that's right.

1066
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: There's four. There's another one if you go on offense.

1067
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 1: Clyde is there still Clyde? There's the fifth? And now six?

1068
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I mean that's hilarious.

1069
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: So if they've got I don't know, ninety man roster.

1070
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: Six of them are former Chiefs and a lot of

1071
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: them have Louisiana ties, which is cool, including Justin Reid.

1072
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: Boys said Justin Reid might be President of the United

1073
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: States someday. His family. I remember a conversation I had

1074
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: with his family, his dad, his uncle, his cousins. This

1075
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: was the most impressive group of humans. And it was

1076
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: in Baltimore, I think, prior of the AFC Championship Game

1077
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: in the twenty three season. But I remember seeing Justin

1078
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: after that and I'm going, you're like the ninth smartest

1079
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: guy in your family, right, toughness. You look at what

1080
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: he did in winning two rings with this franchise, and

1081
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: not just to handle the complexities of this defense, to

1082
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 1: make everybody around him better again, a fearless player, seventy

1083
00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: solo tackles, and so this one hurts too. We were

1084
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: expecting it, and I still see an image. I'll see

1085
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: it all as Lord as the longest Lord gives me

1086
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: oxygen on the earth. At the end of Super Bowl

1087
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: fifty nine, you saw him turn. It's hug guys and

1088
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: the rest of the secondary.

1089
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just kind of know.

1090
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: They know, Yeah, they know. And I thought, Okay, this

1091
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: will be one that see him go out the door.

1092
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: But I wish nothing but the best for Justin Reid.

1093
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: We'll see him at reunions. We'll probably see him at

1094
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: some political rally, you know.

1095
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: But a guy that's.

1096
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: Incredibly intelligent, incredibly tough, a great football player, and I'm

1097
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: glad he's in the NFC, So go get him, Justin and.

1098
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: A great leader too. We talk about the twenty twenty

1099
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 2: two draft class and its impact and the Fab five

1100
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 2: Fab five being Trip McDuffie, Joshua Williams, Jalen Watson, Nazi Johnson,

1101
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 2: and Brian Cook. I mean, you get five defensive backs

1102
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: who are all playing either on defense or on special

1103
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: teams for you over the last several years. But those

1104
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 2: guys were all rookies back in twenty twenty two. Justin

1105
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: Reid I remember it clear as day, him being this

1106
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: amazing mentor for those guys, in such a role model

1107
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 2: for them and just helping them along. And I don't

1108
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: know if the twenty twenty two draft class develops into

1109
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: what it is now without Justin Reid being the leader

1110
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 2: that he was for this secondary and also just a

1111
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: really good player on the field at the same time.

1112
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm with you, it's difficult to see guys

1113
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 2: like this go. I should have mentioned it with Turk.

1114
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: We talk about how happy we are for him, and

1115
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 2: it's like, well, what are we going to do now

1116
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 2: with Turk? There's a lot of depth of defensive tackle

1117
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: in this year's draft. I'm excited to see what happens

1118
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 2: with that With Justin Reid. This is a great opportunity

1119
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: for Jaden Hicks, Brian Cook and Shamari Connor and you

1120
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: draft and develop players for situations like this. Jaden Hicks

1121
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 2: might have been one of the steals of the twenty

1122
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: twenty four draft. Just a really good player that showed

1123
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: us some things last year. He's going to have a

1124
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,959
Speaker 2: chance to maybe start on this team in twenty twenty five.

1125
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: We know what Brian Cook can do. And then Chamari again,

1126
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 2: the ripple effects of signing Christian Fulton allowed Chamari to

1127
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: maybe be more of a safety than just having to

1128
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: be that nickel corner. Ye. Uh so we have depth there.

1129
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 2: We have young players there that I'm excited to see

1130
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 2: what they can do with their opportunity. Really difficult to

1131
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: see a player like Justin Reid leave, but I think

1132
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: he left this place better than he found it, and

1133
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, he left it prepared for

1134
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: his departure because he helped a lot of young players

1135
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 2: along and helped a lot of young players kind of

1136
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 2: discover what kind of players they could be.

1137
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: Great person, great player, great family. So Justin h go

1138
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: get him. And then finally some I J P Rid Okay,

1139
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry this one.

1140
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: This one, really, I know it's it's taking he loves

1141
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 2: the ride. Well.

1142
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: I just remember when Veitch said, hey, we got him,

1143
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 1: and I thought we're gonna win games. He won games

1144
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: for this team. Now he's going back to the Bengals.

1145
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: Wish you the best, just not against us. We don't

1146
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 1: play him this year in the regular season, so maybe.

1147
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: Which is crazy. We play him every year every year, but.

1148
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: We've got the old regulars, the Bills and the and

1149
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: the Ravens and yeah, uh, but his play that sealed

1150
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 1: the AF Championship Game in a thirty two to twenty

1151
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 1: nine win over the Bills to make NFL history because

1152
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: the Chiefs again didn't win at Super Bowl fifty nine,

1153
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: but we were the only team to win back to

1154
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: back and make it for a shot. We all know that.

1155
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: But p Ryan that the two plays, that one will

1156
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 1: be there as long as the Lord gives me oxygen

1157
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: on the earth. And yes, I poured water on my

1158
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: head when I found out we got him. The water

1159
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: had moved down my face when I heard it he

1160
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: went to the Bengals. I'll just be transparent. Yeah, but

1161
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: his blitz pickup of Derwin James. You said something a

1162
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: long time ago in this podcast about the quickest route

1163
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: to the quarterback is up the middle. Derwin James was

1164
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: coming free up the middle to destroy Patrick Mahomes. In

1165
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: a split second, his head gets turned, he gets jacked

1166
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: up by Sama jp Ryan on one of the best

1167
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: bit blitz pickups by running back I've seen in my

1168
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: brief thirty one years in this league.

1169
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: Being a third down back is one of the most

1170
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: thankless yet critical jobs in football because you have so

1171
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 2: many responsibilities that no one really talks about, things like

1172
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: past protection. You have Derwin James bearing down. You're the

1173
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 2: only guy in between Derwin James and Patrick Mahomes and

1174
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 2: Samaj made that play and the Chiefs win that game

1175
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: in part because of Samaj p Ryan and obviously also

1176
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: what he could do in the screen game. We loved

1177
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: that he had the awesome play against Pittsburgh where he

1178
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 2: was on the ground and catches Mahomes.

1179
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: On the whip. Yeah.

1180
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. He had the big play against Houston and the

1181
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 2: regular season near the end of the first half, then

1182
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: obviously sent us to the Super Bowl with his catch

1183
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 2: against the Bills. A lot of good memories of Samaj

1184
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: p Ryan. This is one of those areas where the

1185
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: Chiefs had got to find a third down back and

1186
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: it's hard to find him. Samaj was really good at it.

1187
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: But I remember what gives me comfort is I remember

1188
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 2: talking with you at a restaurant in the Crossroads in

1189
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: like July of last year. We're like, who's the third

1190
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 2: down back going to be? Because we were trying to

1191
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: replace Jerick McKinnon. He was also really good as a

1192
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 2: third down back, and we ended up with some p Ryan.

1193
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: So Brett Miech will figure it out. We'll find a

1194
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 2: good player to handle that role. But that's kind of

1195
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 2: one of the storylines I think of the draft of

1196
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: OTAs of camp is finding who's going to be that

1197
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 2: third down back with samaj no longer in town.

1198
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: If you're a really good Kingdom defender, you binge on

1199
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: these and make sure that you reference these two past

1200
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: episodes because in this time you're going to go, well,

1201
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: wait a minute, Mitch is like, so destroy go back

1202
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: and listen to the previous one, because that's what triggered

1203
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: the thought you talk about veach my trust is in

1204
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: veach infrastructure. That was the biggest part of that that

1205
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: episode was infrastructure, and that infrastructure is in place to

1206
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 1: handle the cap to continue to fill in the holes.

1207
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: You say goodbye to guys you love, You'll see them

1208
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: at a reunion. You got to fill in the gaps

1209
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: and hope that you can continue to win. And that's

1210
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: where we're at. But not easy. I don't know what

1211
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: the NCAA has on all of the copyrights of March Madness,

1212
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: May Mania, whatever, but there's got to be one in

1213
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: the NFL for what March is now.

1214
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 2: In free agency, yeah, there's got to be And you know,

1215
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 2: the Chiefs made obviously that we've talked about a couple

1216
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 2: of big moves here in the first week of free agency,

1217
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: but Brettviach does his best work in the week's following

1218
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 2: free agency. We see it every year and what we've

1219
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 2: talked about over the last hour is a great example

1220
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: of that. Because when Justin Watson first signed here, it

1221
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 2: was not the front page of ESPN. When Tshaum Wharton

1222
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 2: joined that chief as an undrafted free agent, it was

1223
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: not the front page of every newspaper in the country.

1224
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 2: But those players helped us win and we are currently

1225
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 2: mourning their departure. So Brett Veach is going to keep

1226
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: finding these players that maybe we don't know their names

1227
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: right now, or they're not considered a huge deal nationally,

1228
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: but Brettveach and his staff are so good at finding

1229
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: players that come in here. They buy into this culture,

1230
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 2: they buy into this system, They improve, and they help

1231
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: us win. And I'm excited over the next several weeks

1232
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: to see who those free agents that come in here are.

1233
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: The reserve futures guys are always fun to break down

1234
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: that already signed here months ago, and of course the

1235
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: draft and the undrafted free agents. This team got better

1236
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: this week, I think, and they're going to continue to

1237
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,439
Speaker 2: get better here over the next several months. The team

1238
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: building aspect is always so much fun to follow, and

1239
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: this team is a chip on their shoulder right now.

1240
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 2: I mean, you win all the games we did last year,

1241
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 2: but you end it in a way you didn't want to.

1242
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 2: This team's fired up, I think, and ready to get

1243
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 2: after this season, and we're gonna get some guys here

1244
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: that maybe you aren't a big deal right now nationally, but

1245
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 2: I think when it's all said and done, might be

1246
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 2: a big deal in the end.

1247
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: So Matt, a lot of you in the NFL get

1248
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: excited as free agency. Wow, we gotta have something, man,

1249
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: we gotta have something to give us juice. For Matt

1250
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: and me, we go through every emotion, excitement, disappointment, sadness,

1251
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: But every year we do it because it's either green, red,

1252
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: or black.