1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load. Michael 2 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: Arry Show is on the air. 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 2: We have a report from the flight dynamics officer that 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: the vehicle has exploded. Flight Director confirms that we are 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 2: looking at checking with the recovery forces to see what 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: can be done at this point. This is Mission Control, Houston. 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: We have no additional word at this time. 8 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 3: The crew of the Space Shuttle Challenger honored us for 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 3: the manner in which they lived their lives. We will 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 3: never forget them, nor the last time we saw them 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 3: this morning as they prepared for their journey and waved 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: goodbye and slipped the surly bonds of Earth to touch 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 3: the face. 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: Of God and sees me. 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 4: You lived your life like a gander, and you. 16 00:00:58,480 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: Never know. 17 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 5: When there. 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 6: Turned out. 19 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: You can't burn. 20 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: Leg. 21 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 6: A search effort couldn't begin for some fifteen minutes after 22 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 6: this debris, they said, just kept raining from the sky. 23 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 6: The head of the Space Shuttle program had no explanations, 24 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 6: just sorrow at the tragedy. 25 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 7: At eleven forty am this morning, Space program experience a 26 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 7: national tragedy with the explosion of the Space Shuttle Challenger, 27 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 7: approximately a minute and a half half to launch from 28 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 7: here at the Kennedy Space Center. 29 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 6: Computer enhanced video shows the explosion in detail. What explosion 30 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 6: appears to happen at the rear of the spacecraft, around 31 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 6: the main engines, perhaps in one of the two solid 32 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 6: rocket boosters. Then up last, higher up was instantly a 33 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 6: blazing fireball. 34 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 4: And it seemed to me Ji Joe like a gander 35 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 4: claim to render, to know you to be the can 36 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 4: bu burned the whole religion. 37 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 3: We've never had a tragedy like this, and perhaps we'd 38 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: forgotten the courage it took. 39 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: For the cool of the shopper. 40 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 3: But they, the Challenger Seven, were aware of the dangers 41 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 3: overcame them and did their jobs brilliantly. We mourned seven heroes, 42 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 3: Michael Smith, Dick Scoby, Judith Resnik, Ronald McNair, Ellison Onizuka, 43 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: Gregory Jarvis, and Christ micof We mourn their loss as 44 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: a nation, together the families of the seven. 45 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: We cannot bear, as you. 46 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 3: Do, the full impact of this tragedy, but we feel 47 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: a loss. 48 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: We're thinking about you so very much. 49 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 4: John Light like. 50 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:18,399 Speaker 2: The gut. 51 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: Beautifully to gate, Peggy noonan speech writer, that Reagan who 52 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: wrote that beautiful speech, and you talk about soaring language 53 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: literally and figuratively. Peggy noonan great, great speechwriter, and it 54 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: comes from a sonnet written in nineteen forty one, quite 55 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: some time before space travel per se from John Gillespie 56 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: McGhee junior. He was a fighter pilot in the Royal 57 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: Canadian Air Force in World War Two. He started writing 58 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: the poem on the eighteenth of August. He was stationed 59 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: outside of London, and he mailed the poem a little 60 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: over two weeks later to his family on the third 61 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: of September. Thank goodness he did, because three months later 62 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: he would die in a training accident. The poem was 63 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: published in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, and it was widely 64 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: distributed after he died the following year in nineteen forty two, 65 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: or shortly after in nineteen forty two, when he became 66 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: one of the first poll Up Pearl Harbor American casualties 67 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: of the war on December eleventh. That poem would go 68 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: on to be distributed to be exhibited in the American 69 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: Library of Congress the following year. He's actually talking about 70 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: flying a plane, which was still a relatively new concept 71 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: and very few people had actually piloted a plane, and 72 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: as a fighter pilot, he was seeing things that the 73 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: average person wouldn't. So he wrote this poem and sent 74 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: it to his family. Can you imagine receiving this poem? Oh, 75 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth and danced 76 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: the skies on laughter, silvered wings, sunword. I've climbed and 77 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: joined the tumbling mirth of sun, split clouds, and done 78 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: a hundred things you have not dreamed of. Wheeled and 79 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: sword and swung high in the sunlit silence. There. I've 80 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: chased the shouting wing along, wind along, and flung my 81 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: eager craft through footless halls of air, up up the long, delirious, 82 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: burning blue. I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace, 83 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: where where never lark or even eagle flew. And while 84 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: with silent lifting mind, I've tried the high, untrespassed sanctity 85 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: of space, put out my hand and touched the face 86 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: of God. Wow. To have known the great pursuits and passions. 87 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: It's when I see people who climb Mount Everest knowing 88 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: the likelihood that you'll die. Are people who scale the 89 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: side of a cliff or a skyscraper, or go through 90 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: tunnels where you know it is dangerous and you could 91 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: lose your life. I say, we're all built differently. I 92 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: will never have the experience the exhilaration of a person 93 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: like that, and I'm okay with that, But there is 94 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: something to people who are built like that. It's good 95 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: we're not all the same. It's good that we're all 96 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: in pursuit of something else. But I just think that 97 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: a person like that likely lives with far less regret. 98 00:07:54,200 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: The way he describes flying through this ether that is 99 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: not bounded by the earth beneath you, I've never read 100 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: anything like that before. Such a simple concept flying. Of course, 101 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: the flying we do is walking upstairs and sitting down 102 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: in Someone else pilots the plane, and now the plane 103 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: practically pilots itself. But for a guy to be doing 104 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: that when throughout history mankind. 105 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 8: Wanted to, you know, a real man. 106 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: I have never met someone so wonderful. 107 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 5: I call him Richard markle Berry. 108 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: Congratulations to the University of Georgia. You have come out 109 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: number one in the new rankings. It is teams in 110 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 1: the SEC with the most players arrested from twenty ten 111 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: to present, and they came in at a walking sixty 112 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: four the only one in the sixties. Flora with fifty nine, 113 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: So twenty twenty sixt is new so fifteen years sixty four, 114 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: so averaging about four point four per year. Pretty good Georgia. 115 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: Pretty good somewhere out there, four point four arrests per year? 116 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: How many players on a on a squad? So you 117 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: got eleven twenty two? What do you think they have 118 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: any scholarship players? You have fifty two? Maybe maybe sixty, 119 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll say I'm going to say probably 120 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: somewhere in the fifties. But you know, my worry is 121 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: not whether they're getting arrested and who these thugs are. 122 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: My worry is I just want to make sure they're 123 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: not being paid a penny, because you're getting an education already, 124 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: and I like to keep them at the same school 125 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 1: the whole time. Even if let's take for Nando Mendoza, 126 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: even if you are our Heisman Trophy quality, but you're 127 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: stuck at a school where nobody's ever going to see 128 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 1: your talents and you're going to flame out and be 129 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: bagging grocery somewhere. I'd rather you stay there than that 130 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: you be allowed to go to another university where we 131 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: might get to see you and hear your ministry and 132 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: witness a guy who would take the Heisman trophy to 133 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: his Sunday school class at church, a real, real moment 134 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: for the nation as consumers of the sport. But my 135 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,599 Speaker 1: team's not doing well, Mike, when they used to, and 136 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,599 Speaker 1: so it's got to be the rules and can we 137 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: just go back to the way it was when my 138 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: team was winning because I don't care about football. I 139 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: just want my team to win, because that's really what 140 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: it's about. The people bitching about Nil and the portal 141 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: are people who are fans of universities that were perennial 142 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: powerhouses that cannot compete in a world where the field 143 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: is more level. And that's exactly what's happening. The field 144 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: is more level now. 145 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 8: But Michael, they're just buying players. Mackel, Well, then you 146 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 8: buy players, but they're buying them. I know you said 147 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 8: that already. What you're telling me is you don't care 148 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 8: anything about the quality of football played on the field. 149 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 8: You probably don't even understand the rules. You have no 150 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 8: appreciation for the competitive nature and the spirit of the game. 151 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 8: You just want your score to win so that you 152 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 8: can say, Yay, my team which is silly if you 153 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 8: actually enjoy watching the game. When I posted that this 154 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 8: was the best year of college football in my lifetime 155 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 8: that I recall, and I watch every game that I 156 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 8: can possibly watch. 157 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: You can't watch two games at one time, although now 158 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: you can put four on them, but you know there 159 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: are games you can't watch because you're precluded because you're 160 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: watching another one. I says the best year ever, and 161 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: in my opinion, Nil and Portal have made the game 162 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: on the field, forget the uniform they worry. The game 163 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: on the field is a higher quality to me than 164 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: it's ever been before. And I got people going I 165 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: agree because I'm an Indiana fan. Well, if you being 166 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: a fan of Indiana in any way affects how you 167 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: feel the game is being played, you're missing my point. 168 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: And what I ought to do is just be grateful 169 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 1: for the Indiana fans saying that they think it's a 170 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: good opinion, but it just proves to me they don't 171 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: get the point. And then you get the people who 172 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: are LSU or Alabama or Georgia or Ohio State fans 173 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: who don't know why they're against this. I'll tell you, 174 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: because your team's not any good your team is good, 175 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: your team is great. The team is not just not 176 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: the dominant team any longer, and that makes you angry. 177 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: Ut A and m We're going to see something. And 178 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: I said this, I said this several years of, say, 179 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: three or four years ago. It's why I wish we 180 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: had a good archiving system. Three or four years ago, 181 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: when everybody was complaining about NIL, I said, if you 182 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: are an Aggie fan, and especially if you're Longhorn fan, 183 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: stop complaining. But I've got to complain, Michael. Everybody else's complaining, 184 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: and I have to show that I know what's going on, 185 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: so I too will complain. So does the system hurt 186 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: everyone equally? Does the system just make the game worse? 187 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: And we'll take that out in the game will get better? 188 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: Is that what happens? 189 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 2: No? 190 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: No, the system is reordering the deck and you're one 191 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: of the winners. Ut You're the richest program in college 192 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: sports history, year in and year out, that's been the 193 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: case for decades. You're going to get the best players 194 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: because you're going to pay for them, and that's going 195 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: to happen, and it's going to happen year after year. 196 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: There will be anomalies. Texas Tech will come in. We'll see. 197 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: I don't know how much Gary Peterson and Cody and 198 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: John Sellerson. I don't know how much they're going to 199 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: put in. I don't know if they're going to put 200 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: in thirty eight million dollars for transfers every year. I 201 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe they will. They've got it. They're committed. 202 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: They like winning. You know the thing about it is 203 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: nobody's making the alumni put this money up. Stop for 204 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: a moment, take a bigger picture. Nobody's making the alumni 205 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: put this money up. Why are they putting this money 206 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: out because they want to buy wins for their school? 207 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: Oh do you think people were donating a new practice 208 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: facility or a new stadium for their team because they 209 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: were philanthropists. Every alumni wants to win. Every alumnus wants 210 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: to win, and they've been putting up their money for years. Well, 211 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: it was fair before, Oh, when Alabama got a coach 212 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: making ten million dollars a year and other schools couldn't 213 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: afford Nick Saban, that was fair when Alabama. When Notre 214 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: Dame had a massive TV contract that every week they'd 215 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: be on national TV and Boise State didn't. How was 216 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: that fair. What do you say to the kid in 217 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: Mississippi that's the top recruit in the country, that the 218 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: top five star wide receiver. Well, let's see. You can 219 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: go to Boise State and play on this stupid blue 220 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: field that only Chance McLain thinks is cool, it's dumb. 221 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: Or you can go to Notre Dame and be on 222 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: national TV every week. I don't know, but the game 223 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: was fair back then. How do we go from the 224 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: challenger emotion to that's a variety share right now? I 225 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: don't even know how we ended up there, I'll be 226 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: honest all up. I grew up being taught about the 227 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: great poets of history, mostly in English. Omar K. M 228 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: would be probably the best example of a non English poet. 229 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: We did learn about Haikus, but more structure than content. 230 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: But when you think of the great poets throughout history, Marlowe, 231 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: course Shakespeare, Byron keats Ibsen, it's amazing. I guess Ibsen 232 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't technically be a poet, but it's amazing what reverence 233 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: we were taught to hold these almost exclusively men. I 234 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: guess Charlotte Brontey and Emily Dickinson would be the two 235 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: that come immediately to mine as exceptions to that rule. 236 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: But when you look at the words of the great 237 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: story songs. I'm not talking about this stuff of the 238 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: last twenty five years, but the great story songs, I 239 00:16:49,640 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: would argue that Bob Dylan, Bob mcdeal, Paul Simon, you 240 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: look at the words of these songs, I don't think 241 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: the fact that at a minimum and a guitar was 242 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: strummed while someone recited them, and that's what they're doing, 243 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: they're reciting. I don't think that should minimize in any 244 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: manner the importance and the profound beauty of their work. 245 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: Simon and Garfuncle took Scarborough Fare, an old, an old 246 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: song that children had been singing for hundreds of years 247 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: in England and put it to word, put it to song, 248 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,239 Speaker 1: very stripped down. When I was living in England, there 249 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: was some girls that lived in a flat next door 250 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: to us on Beeson Street and her PhD thesis, if 251 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: you can imagine, was on that song in the history 252 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: of Scarborough Fare. And so we're sitting around a campfire 253 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: one night and she's telling the story which I did 254 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: not know of. That was a song passed down by 255 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: the oral tradition year after year after year that went 256 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: on for centuries, and Simon and Garfuncle pick it up. Well, 257 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: you think about the song the Boxer, Now it's a relative. 258 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: This is not an intense arrangement of a song. This 259 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:35,719 Speaker 1: is pretty basic. And the song, you know, it's as 260 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: if the guitar is giving it more pacing than anything else. 261 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: But the fact that these things are sung instead of spoken, 262 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: and that they have a music to a company should 263 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: not in any way minimize the absolute esoteric nature and 264 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: beauty of what they've done. That right there by Zane Williams, 265 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: a guy that if he walked in, looks kind of 266 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: like Cooper on Landman, that's the son that married the 267 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: hot Mexican girl. The fact that he kind of looks 268 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: like that and is probably holding a guitar by the 269 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: by the neck, and is it the neck or the 270 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: throat of the guitar? Can he called Kevin Bull and 271 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: ask him it's the neck, isn't Uh. There's certain guys 272 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: that carried Johnny Cash to that they carry their guitar 273 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: by the neck, right. It's it's like they're it's like 274 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: they're holding a puppy by the scruff. You know, they 275 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: kind of hold it out away from them like that. 276 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a it's an interesting way to uh, 277 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: to do that, but that's what they do. But in 278 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: the sense that poetry has an ability to affect us, 279 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: or if it doesn't affect you, had affected your high 280 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: school English teacher and they would get very emotion all 281 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: about it because these were deep words. Well, if your 282 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: readings of the Bible deeply affect you, that's a spiritual 283 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: connection more than purely a literary But if you felt 284 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: emotion related to words and how you have interpreted and 285 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: incorporated the words of Jesus or the description of Jesus 286 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: or Paul before he's Paul on the road to Damascus, 287 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: and how that affected you, or any other any other 288 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: moment in the Bible. Poetry is not the Bible, it's 289 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: not the word of God. But it is the deep 290 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: emotions of life. And that guy has done no less 291 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: in telling that story right there. Every time I hear 292 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: that song, I am a better dad for the day, 293 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: as good as dad as I hope I am a 294 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: better dad. There is an execution tonight. It's the Houston story. 295 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: Robert Arnold Channel two will tell us the details on it. 296 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: He reported on it last night. That will happen tonight 297 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: in Huntsville. 298 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 9: I'm from Texas. In Texas, we have the death penalty 299 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 9: and we use it. 300 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 2: That's right. 301 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 9: If you come to Texas and kill somebody, we will 302 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 9: kill you back. 303 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: That's our policy. 304 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 9: They're trying to pass a bill right now through the 305 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 9: Texas legislature that'll speed up the process of execution and 306 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 9: hainous crimes where there's more than three credible eye witnesses 307 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 9: and more than three people saw you do what you did. 308 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 9: You don't sit on death row for fifteen years, Jack, 309 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 9: You go straight to the front of the line. 310 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: Other states are. 311 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 9: Trying to abolish the death penalty. My state's putting in 312 00:21:59,040 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 9: an express line. 313 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: I've been telling you about a series I discovered. As usual, 314 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: it's probably five years in the making by the time 315 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: I find out about it. That's usually how that works. 316 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: I still haven't seen Sopranos, but there is a series 317 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: that Channel two has done as a web series. As 318 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: I understand it, they've also started promoting it to see 319 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: it on YouTube. And the good news is it's why 320 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 1: Ramon won't watch Land Manage you get to go watch 321 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: everything I have been binging this series. Robert Arnold does that. 322 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: He's an investigative reporter. It's called the Evidence Room, and 323 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: you got to see the Sniper. It's the best episode 324 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: they did. It's the last episode, I believe, and it 325 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: is so well researched and so well told. But Robert 326 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: Arnold posted about the case of Charles Victor Thompson, who 327 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: scheduled for execution tonight in Huntsville. Robert Arnold will be there, Robert, 328 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: would you first tell us in a minute or two 329 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: about this case before before we get to the hiring 330 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: of the hitman, the first part of the story, if 331 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: you will sure. 332 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 5: In nineteen ninety eight, Charles Thompson killed Denise hay Slipped, 333 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 5: his former girlfriend, her current boyfriend at the time, Dane. 334 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 5: Denise an eighteen marriage. She started leading a son who 335 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 5: was thirteen at the time. Charles became violent, so she 336 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 5: broke it off with him. Started seeing Darren Well. Charles 337 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 5: couldn't handle that, so he kept coming around, kept coming around. 338 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 5: Eventually Darren confronted him and the two got into a 339 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 5: fist fight, and Darren one that fi fight, but then 340 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 5: the two kind of sat down, had a beer and 341 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 5: Charles at that time and said, Okay, I get it. 342 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 5: She wants to be with you, not being I'll leave 343 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 5: everyone alone. A neighbor saw that fight actually called the 344 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 5: sheriff's office. A deputy showed up, saw the two sitting 345 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 5: there drinking a beer and made Charles lee said you 346 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 5: have to leave, you have to leave the property. A 347 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 5: few hours later, Charles comes back, kicks open the door 348 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 5: to Denise's apartment, shoots and kills Darren, and then shoots 349 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 5: Denise in the face. She didn't die right away, she 350 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 5: was taken to the hospital. While she was in the 351 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 5: hospital surgery, the breathing tube who was inserted had become 352 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 5: dislaw in there, and initially Charles had argued that, well, 353 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 5: that dislodged breathing tube is why she died, not my 354 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 5: shot to her cheek. Jerry didn't buy that and said, well, 355 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 5: she wouldn't have been in the hostel yet and shot her. 356 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 5: And they didn't buy his claim that the gun accidentally 357 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 5: went off, and wing he shot Darren during a struggle 358 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 5: over the gun, and so he was convicted of capital 359 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 5: murder and sentenced to die, and he actually got a 360 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 5: new punishment trial and during the second punishment trial, he 361 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 5: was again sentenced to death. 362 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: What a galling thing to say. She didn't die because 363 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: I shot her in the face. She died because the 364 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: tube came out of her throat in in surgery while 365 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: they're desperately trying to keep her alive. What a what 366 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: a person? I see you shaking your head and just 367 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: saying tisk tisk while you're doing these interviews and you 368 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: have the HPD officers. I saw one with J. C. 369 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: Moser last names the Malibu killing that I saw. But 370 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: watching these and you just sort of shake your head 371 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: and say, what kind of monster do you have to be? 372 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: So Robert Arnold Channel two is our guest. After that 373 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: he's in trial and he tries to hire a hitman. 374 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 5: So this is before he actually goes to trial. So 375 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 5: after he shoots and kills Darren and he shot he 376 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 5: was in the hospital, he went to and this is 377 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 5: according to the prosecutor who prosecuted the case, Vick Wisner, 378 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 5: he went to the house that belonged to the mother 379 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 5: of one of his friends and confessed to her what 380 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 5: he had done. And I guess he realized that was 381 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 5: a mistake. So while he's in the Harris County jail 382 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 5: awaiting trial. He tries to hire a hitman. Fellow inmate 383 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 5: catches wind A bit rats him out, so the Sheriff's 384 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 5: office sends an undercover agent in to pose as a hitman, 385 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 5: and he's captured on audio tape. Greena pay fifteen hundred 386 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 5: dollars to kill the mother of his friend who he 387 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 5: confessed to. 388 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: Did you see that series? I think Texas Monthly did it. 389 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: There were several people in town, y'all. Y'all might have 390 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: cod it. This guy who's called They made a movie 391 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: about it, called the Hitman within the last. 392 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 5: Couple we got. That's the guy Garry Johnson. Yes, the 393 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 5: guy who was who was sent who was sent in 394 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 5: to pose as a hitman. 395 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's amazing. What a story. Did you know him? 396 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: Did you ever interview him? 397 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 5: I did not ever interview him, but I did I 398 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 5: remember covering a couple of cases that he was involved in. Yeah, 399 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 5: he was absolutely incredible. Texas Monthly actually did a brilliant 400 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 5: article on him and that was kind of the impetus 401 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 5: for that that Meds movie hit Man. 402 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: So you will be there tonight at the execution in Huntsville. 403 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 5: Correct I'm scheduled to serve as a media witness to 404 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 5: the execution, and I'm told and I talked to Denise's 405 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 5: son wayde Hayslip, he will be there, and the prosecutor, 406 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 5: Vick Weisner, said that Darren's father will be there as well. 407 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: So you told a story on I say, the other night, 408 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: but you probably did this story three years ago. I 409 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: was watching the Murder of the Six Young Men. Are 410 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: the girl's names where I think Jennifer Hrtman and Payne. 411 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 5: Elizabeth Penya, Payne Erman paying Murders. That was one of 412 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 5: the Evidence Rooms episodes. Yes, sir, you. 413 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: Said that before were that we really didn't have victim 414 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: impact statements. Rtman's dad gave one, and we really didn't 415 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: have a witness to the execution. I didn't know that. 416 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting. That case was was quite important. 417 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: It really was. 418 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 5: And that was Andy Kahn, who's a Crime Stoppers the 419 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 5: head of Victen's Assistants and Victims Office at Crime Stoppers. 420 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 5: He was very construmental in getting all that pass, bringing 421 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 5: the victim impact statement to Texas, as well as getting 422 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 5: Texas to allow the family members of the victims to 423 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 5: witness executions. And that all came about because of that. 424 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 5: In another case, you. 425 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: Have Andy khn on a fair amount and I was 426 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: watching a couple of nights ago. I stay up too 427 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: late because of you watching these episodes, and I'm going 428 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: to run out. But I sent Andy con a text 429 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: and I said, hey, I want to do I've known 430 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: Andy over heres. He was victim's rights advocate in the 431 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: Mayor's office when I was on city council twenty five 432 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: years ago. 433 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 5: And he's saying many years. 434 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: Oh, and he's been at this for so long. And 435 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: I said, hey, I want to do a sit down 436 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: with you about your career and what you've done. And 437 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: he said, I'd be glad to do it. That guy 438 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: has done more for crime victims in this community in 439 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: the last thirty plus years than any single person, any 440 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: district attorney, any police chief. It's amazing what he's done. 441 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 5: Many people don't know that. One of the reasons. One 442 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 5: of the ways that we try and pick which episodes 443 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 5: we're going to focus on for the Evidence Room is 444 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 5: is it something that either changed the law or advanced victims' rights. 445 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 5: And that's why we've interviewed Andy so much, because he 446 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 5: has been instrumental in changing so many of the laws 447 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 5: when it comes to victims' rights, notifications, role hearings, you know, 448 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 5: cutting down that time that they're constantly that victims are 449 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 5: constantly having to go through the pole process in these 450 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 5: or the violent cases, things of that nature. And that's 451 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 5: why we've interviewed Andy so much. 452 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: I have to give you credit. 453 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 4: You. 454 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: Robert Arnold with Channel two is our guest. The series 455 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: is called The Evidence Room. You can find it thing. 456 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: He's every Wednesday night on their streaming station, but it's 457 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: also on YouTube, which is where I watch it. You 458 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: were telling the story of the sniper, this horrible guy 459 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: that's shooting atm guys, and then they would go over 460 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: and the guy's dead. The courier take his money. You 461 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: gave credit to Chris Anderson who ran that, and Chris 462 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: and You gave credit to Larry Bainbridge, who was the 463 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: captain who came in and said, look, we're going to 464 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: clean up this city. And it was like a movie 465 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: from the seventies, very gritty captain who's coming in and 466 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: saying we're going to focus on what matters. And I 467 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: thought that was really really cool that you did that. 468 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 5: It was the first federal case we had ever done, 469 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 5: and it was just it was genuinely unique. It was 470 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 5: a mix of just really outstanding, good old fashioned police 471 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 5: work in technology and teamwork the FDI, Jeff Coplin, who 472 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 5: was the case agent at the Todd David Helms who 473 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 5: is an HBD officer still Sergeant Helms who was a 474 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 5: member of the Robbery Task Force with the FBI, still 475 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 5: is and just the two agencies working together and how 476 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 5: they put it together was just. 477 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: The main Well, it's a great series. It's called The 478 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: Evidence Room. You can find it on YouTube, you can 479 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: find it on the KPRC. Robert Arnold, thank you for 480 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: being with us, Thank you for having me.