1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: That's why golf such a funny game. You know, I 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: worked really hard for six months to get worse. Um, like, 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: it's quite funny. I got thoughts in my head. Can't 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: get them Joan. Nothing what I'm thinking about that in 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: my head, can't get them out, jo not think what 6 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about. Hello, this is Alan Ship knocking back 7 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: from their Fire Drill podcast. This is a special one. 8 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: It's like going to accompany a new episode of the 9 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: grind Our docuseries that kind of takes you the viewer 10 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: slash listener, kind of deep into the world of professional 11 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: golf and those who aspire to get there and um. 12 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: This this episode that we're dropping here Masters Week follows 13 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: Laird Sheppard. He was the British Amateur champ by way 14 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: of an epic come back. He fought his way to 15 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: the Masters in two thousand and twenty two and we 16 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: were our cameras were there through for everything in Scotland. 17 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: We've got some great stuff from from his whole journey 18 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: and of course we were with him in AUGUSTA. So 19 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: we're just going to talk about kind of bring things 20 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: up to date, uh, match Nell and I and then 21 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: we'll have lair to jump on and and and talk 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: through with this. Last year has been like and reminisce 23 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: about the Masters. And but let me throw it over 24 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: to Matt before we get too deep into this. 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You know, he struggles with the 49 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: Masters and that's how the episode ends, and the podcast 50 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: here will bring folks up to date on everything that's 51 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: followed in the last year. You give us a little teaser, Matt, 52 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 1: because you went deep in Layer and you followed the 53 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: story all the way through. Well, I, Laird is amazing. 54 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: He's had several comebacks physically, spiritually, you know, mechanically from 55 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: a golfing standpoint, obviously as you mentioned, coming back nine down, 56 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: eight down with nineteen holes to play in the in 57 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: the British Amateur and uh as you will see in 58 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: this episode. And no, we did a multipart podcast on 59 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: Laard Shepherd a year and a half ago celebrating this 60 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: incredible comeback. So this is a guy, you know, we 61 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: talked about the grind and you know, we met up 62 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: with the multiple times in Scotland. We went out and 63 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: hit balls with him at Duke's in you know, snow 64 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: covered driving range. He was the only one on the 65 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: range had to be you know, thirty degrees and he's 66 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: having to pick his own balls up off the driving range. 67 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: You know, he's physically trying to get stronger. He's preparing 68 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: for the Masters and these opportunities he got after he 69 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: wins the British Amateur and he's just a very compelling character. 70 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: He's very intense and very committed to his craft and 71 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: for Laird, it's almost and we talk about it on 72 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: this podcast. For him to get to a place where 73 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: he actually lets go is when he becomes dangerous. So 74 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: getting down eight with nineteen to play is when he 75 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: started playing his best golf going into the Masters, and 76 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: he talks about all the distraction and the pressures and 77 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: sort of the claustrophobia of the of the patrons, and 78 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: you know that he's his biggest challenge is his own mind. 79 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: And he really has been always very open and honest 80 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: and very thoughtful for up to us. As he talks 81 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: about this struggle and people in his inner circle, his 82 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: girlfriend and his friend and caddy at the British Ampshire 83 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: talk about it. He just has to find this balance 84 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: between working towards getting better and backing away and freeing 85 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: himself up to play better. It's you know what I mean, 86 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: It's there's that fine line and you think about it. 87 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: We talked about Jordan Spieth, when is he the most 88 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: dangerous when he was young and had no you know, no, 89 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: he had no inhibitions, free of all the kind of 90 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: the mental craziness. Rory, he was the best when he 91 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: was just a kid playing golf. Tigers always had that 92 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: ability to sort of play the game. He's playing the game. 93 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: You know, I think Laird is going to have a 94 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: really good career as soon as he's able to sort 95 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: of turn it off. Yeah. That that mental challenge is 96 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: so fascinating, and it really comes through in the sort 97 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 1: of the grind where, um, it's having watched a few times, 98 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, he's We follow him early in Master's Week 99 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: and he's just so a bulliant and he's just so 100 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: happy to be there, and and then and we interview 101 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: him after he's missed the cut and he's just you know, 102 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: his eyes are watery and he's he's just so crushed, 103 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: and you can't have a more perfect distillation of how 104 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: brutal tournament golf is. And I mean, Bobby Jones is 105 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: what chased him out of the game at twenty eight, 106 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: you know, after won the Grand Slam, was the Houston 107 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: drink two inches of corn liquor after every round. He 108 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: was just it just took such a toll on him. 109 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: And so um, that's what I love about about this show, 110 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: that is we have that intimacy and you've been and 111 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: we we we capture those tough moments as well as 112 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: the moments of triumph. They're both there, they're both in 113 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: this this one episode, and I think that's why it's 114 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: so compelling. You also find out that Laird tried to 115 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: change his change his swing going into the Masters because 116 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: he knew he needed to hit a little higher and 117 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: hit them, hit that d all and under pressure, it 118 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: didn't it didn't hold up. And he was, you know, 119 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: going to the US Open at the country Club and 120 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: sort of under the same kind of set of pressures 121 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: and it wasn't working. And he gets to that Wednesday 122 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: before the for the US Open and when he finally 123 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: decides that's it, I'm going back to my going back 124 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: to what got me here, and it finally clicks and 125 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: he misses the cut at the US Open. But you know, 126 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: he talks through that whole process too, and in his 127 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: mind he's still trying to get back to that swinging 128 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: game he had got him to win at the British Amperature, 129 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: and that that's just again goes back to sort of 130 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: this inherent need for these guys to continue to always 131 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: be tweaking and tinkering and trying to hit a higher 132 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: or laugh versus right or what. You know. It just fascinating. 133 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: It's just fascinating to me. And Laird is a is 134 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: a real deep thinker and very he's a very intellectual 135 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: and and I just think as soon as he's able 136 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: to do that work on the range and stop doing 137 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: work on the course, and if he's if he's able 138 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: to sort of let it go, he's very dangerous with 139 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: the putter when he gets hot, and I think he's 140 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: got a great career ahead of him. I look forward 141 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: to seeing where it goes for him. It's amazing how 142 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: many players have fallen into that trap. And it takes 143 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: like a real confidence and sort of strength. Of course, 144 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: you always want to get better. I mean to quote Tiger, 145 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: if you're not getting better or getting worse, so that 146 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: that that quest for improvement. But the flip side is 147 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: you have to know who you are as a golfer 148 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: and you can stay on the range and say, oh, 149 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: I want to swing it like Adam Scott or I 150 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: want to You know, it's very easy to just start 151 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: chasing someone or something that that's not really who you are, 152 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: as it's in your in your competitive DNA. And so 153 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: that's a tough lesson for Laird, but it's better to 154 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: learn it at you know, twenty three than thirty three 155 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: and even forty three. I mean, that's what happened, whether 156 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: it's Ian Baker, Finch or David Duval. I mean guys 157 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: have gone. Happened to Savy biosteros like players have lost 158 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,359 Speaker 1: their natural gift could chase in something and so um, 159 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: if it made it made last last year's master is tough. 160 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: But if that was the less then if he can 161 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: stay true to himself and he can play to his 162 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: own strength, and it was worth it, So it'll be 163 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: fun to follow him on this journey. But um, maybe 164 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: we should let Laird speak for himself. I mean, you 165 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: did a great conversation with him, and I think listeners 166 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: want to hear it from Laird. So I'm going to 167 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: step aside and let you guys get to get to 168 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: your your whole conversation. UM, certainly if you're if you're 169 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: into this podcast, you've probably already watched the episode. But 170 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: if not, I would employ you to go to fire 171 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 1: Pit Collective dot com or go to our our YouTube 172 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: and you can you can catch not only this episode, 173 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: which is number six in the series, being they're the 174 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: first five, are also there as well and on some 175 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: really compelling golfers who have just tremendous stories, and and 176 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: the way we're able to tell it with a lot 177 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: of a lot of authenticity, a lot of a lot 178 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,119 Speaker 1: of intimacy. It's um to me, it's just just fabulous storytelling. 179 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: So UM, anyway, that's that's all I have to say 180 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: on the matter. This is allienship. Like, I'm going to 181 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: sign off and we're gonna turn this whole the rest 182 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: of podcast over to Matton Laird. We last left you 183 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: at AUGUSTA right, and UM talked me through sort of 184 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: that whole experience and that week as you kind of 185 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: now almost a year later, a sort of kind of 186 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: looking looking back and reflecting on all that transpired. Yeah, 187 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: I mean it was a full on week, like the 188 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: most full one week out of any of the other, 189 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: um things that went along with I guess whinning the 190 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: brush amateur Like the Open, I guess the more sort 191 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: of familiar topic golf made that a bit more easy. 192 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: And again the US Open also felt maybe a little 193 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: bit more low key, but um, I guess for myself, 194 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: I didn't get to play a whole lot of golf 195 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: over the winter leading up to the Masters, and so 196 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: he kind of, you know, working towards that one tournament 197 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: for the best part of sort of six months really, 198 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: and I think that made it quite difficult not to 199 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: over prepare over age in some ways. And so you know, 200 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: when I did come, it was just like a lot 201 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: going on and it was a very intense week. I 202 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: think as well. One of the things I really took 203 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: from it was how close everyone is to you on 204 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: the golf course, like physically, the crowds so close and 205 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: there's so many people, and I think maybe that's the 206 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: slight Tiger effect as well, that he was obviously playing 207 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: that week, and I just felt like there was sort 208 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: of fifteen percent more people and just the sort of 209 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: energy around him as well was just um like there's 210 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: just so many different little things I suppose they're go 211 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: into just they're ramping up of the adrenaline and um 212 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: yeah it was. I mean it was awesome. Um but 213 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: it was I found it probably you know, looking back, 214 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:21,599 Speaker 1: and it difficult to to acclimatized quick enough, so almost clausterrophobic. 215 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: Almost Did you feel a little almost tight? Um yeah, 216 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: I guess. I guess so the golf course in parts 217 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: can feel quite claustrophobic. And then you know, with with 218 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: all the patrons as well, it's just um yeah, you're 219 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: you know, you're hitting certain shots from I remember nine 220 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: as an example. You're hitting like a full nine nine 221 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: um to a back pin and you've got you know, 222 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: people sat pretty much like seven yards from the hole. 223 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: Um Like, you know, it's just like you're very, very crowded, 224 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: and I guess that's what makes the atmosphere because you know, 225 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: everyone is but it's allowed to get so close to you, 226 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: so close to the green and whereas you know opens 227 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: and us opens, you definitely probably have a bit more space. 228 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: It's more like a stadium field, whereas like August, there's 229 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: really not that many grand stands apart from maybe arounds 230 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: of amen corner, but the rest of it it's just 231 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: you know, sort of feet on the floor and um, 232 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: just sort of galleries that are ten deep. I mean 233 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,599 Speaker 1: obviously not not the group I was in over the 234 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: first two days. But on the Monday, for example, we're 235 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: playing a paract around coming down nine and Tiger was 236 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: going up the first and it's just like a stampede 237 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: of people. I mean, it's just absolutely I've never seen 238 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: anything like it. So um and I think you only 239 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: really get that at the AUGUSTA So that week. Do 240 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: you think back upon that week, do you think you know, 241 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: obviously you wanted to play better. You probably if you 242 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: had things to do all over again, you would have. 243 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: You know, A guy only knows how that continues to 244 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: run through your mind, But it does it still run 245 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: through your mind? Do you still almost feel like you 246 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: could go back and and and uh and sort of 247 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: do it all over again? Um less so now, um, 248 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: but now it's rolling around again this year, I definitely 249 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: think about it a little bit but um, yeah, I 250 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: mean I wish, I wish I've done a lot of 251 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: things differently, but you know that's not how life works, 252 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: is it. So Um, as much as possible, you try 253 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: to I'll try to, um learn why I count from it. Um, 254 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: And I guess just use it as motivation because you know, 255 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: I don't want that to be my only experienced there. 256 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: So UM yeah, no, definitely for for a large part 257 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: of last year. UM, it definitely was on my mind. UM. 258 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: And you know it wasn't it wasn't helpful, and so 259 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: it's taken a lot too, I guess to work through. Um. Well, 260 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: I guess playing bear. You know, playing bear helps, you know, 261 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: you try and try and get out there again and 262 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: play better and try and forget about it. But I 263 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: mean it's yeah, it's um, it's it's it was tough 264 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: to take at a time, but it's a valuable failure. 265 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: I suppose it's how I tried to look at it. 266 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: But it's that's that's quite easy to stay in conversations 267 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: like this, but you know, deep down, it takes quite 268 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: a lot of convincing yourself that was the case. And 269 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: but that's it's it's you know, I guess. It's never 270 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: black and white like that. It's sometimes where it does 271 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: pop up in my head and I'm like, yeah, I wish, 272 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: I wish i'd you know, done X, Y and Z differently, 273 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: But you can't. You can't change. You can only just 274 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: use that and try and improve. So will give me 275 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: one thing, you know, if you're going to one thing 276 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: that if you had to do it all over all 277 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: over again, what would you have done? I mean, I 278 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: guess the major thing for me was I went about 279 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: trying to improve my golf swing over that winter. UM, 280 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: and I wouldn't have done any of that. UM if 281 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: I could go back, because I'm still working my way 282 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: out of it. I mean, it's um, it's pretty um. 283 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: That's why goal such a funny game. You know, I 284 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: worked really hard for six months to get worse. UM, 285 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: Like it's quite funny. UM. So I wish I wish 286 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: I had just kept to my sort of DNA what 287 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: I was doing and just try to make that, you know, 288 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 1: one percent better, because how it performed at times, you know, 289 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: the Open and obviously to win the British Amateur in 290 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: the first place, you know, it was it was as 291 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: good as it needs to be. You know, Earnie needed 292 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: tweaks here and there, but I sort of tried to 293 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: wholesale change a bunch of different things, not only in 294 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: my long game, but all sorts of different things. And 295 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's you hear it on. Yeah, a 296 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: lot of players talk about the dangers of it, and 297 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: you know you end up jumping from coach to coach 298 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: and and sort of danger of trying to search too much. 299 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: And um, when you're listening to it, you're like, yeah, 300 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: that makes sense, and then you find yourself making the 301 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: same mistake. It's just quite difficult. When you're wired in 302 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: a way that wants to improve and wants to work hard, 303 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: it's quite easy to find a lot of things to 304 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: to waste your time on. Basically, So, um, that's the 305 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: number one thing. I would have just kept what I 306 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: was doing because I was, I was it was good enough, 307 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: Um how it was. Um. But you know, that's is 308 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: what it is. Like a lot of things positive came 309 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: out of having to prepare for the Masters. I ended 310 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: up putting much better this last year than I had 311 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: ever done before. Um, So you know, my mindsets trying 312 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: to put all pieces together, try and get some long 313 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: game performances that I was getting pre um twenty twenty two. Um, 314 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: and I put that together with the sort of hutting 315 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: and sort of short game bits I've improved, and we 316 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: should be good to go. But as you know, it's 317 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: never that simple. But that's the plan specifically. I remember 318 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: when we were at Dukes and you hit in both 319 00:18:55,560 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: you talked about feeling like to match what he did. 320 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: Happened at Augusta. You were you were essentially trying to 321 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: go from hitting a little bit of a cut to 322 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: a drawer. Is that is that correct? Yeah? Yeah, um 323 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: and yeah I probably would. Um, I probably didn't need 324 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: to make the wholesale changes that I did to be 325 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: able to do that. I could have just worked on 326 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: him a bit more of a draw um. Like I 327 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: can see how guys like Martin Kaymer comes to mind, 328 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: or someone who fades it. Um, and I can see why, 329 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: having played Augusta now that he might have went away 330 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: and thought, you know, I need to be better at 331 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: hitting the ball right to left. But um, that didn't 332 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: really work for him trying to change. I think you 333 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: need to stick to what got you there in the 334 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: first place. Obviously, for him it was world number one. 335 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, I was trying to work hanging it more 336 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: rights left and a bit higher, and you know I've 337 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: probably succeeded with that now, but just a long winded 338 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: way of doing it. Um. But it's interesting when you play, 339 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: when you play the golf course and then you go 340 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: and think about it. You know, really you could probably 341 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 1: get away with not having to do you know, hit 342 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: too much, too many draws. You could probably play your 343 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: own game and just play it a little bit smarter. Um. 344 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,959 Speaker 1: You know, you might give up twenty thirty yards here 345 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: and there, but um, it's probably a better option than 346 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: trying to hit shots that you're not quite comfortable with. 347 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: It's funny because that golf course, we see a lot 348 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: of it in a lot of ways shapes and forms, 349 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: but it's it's that two dimensional version of what we're seeing. 350 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: Then you get out there and you you know, everybody 351 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: talks about like, oh, I can't believe how much undulation 352 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: and slope and and you know, you you can't understand 353 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: the tenth hole until you've stood on that tee and 354 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 1: then ended up on that green and in front of 355 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: that green, the runoff in front of that green and 356 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: around that green, to the left. No one can understand, 357 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 1: like that's that's like fifteen feet of drop. I mean, 358 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: it feels like you can't even see up there. And 359 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: I've covered a lot of you know, Masters and been 360 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: out there, But until you're in the ropes and down 361 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: there and having to hit that shot or or to 362 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: the left side of number three and to a front 363 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: left pin, and what the precision and accuracy that it 364 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: takes to land that, you know, the greens within those 365 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: greens and the shelving of like number six for a 366 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: back left pin, and if you miss it right, you've 367 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: got absolutely no chance to get up and down. You 368 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: got no to try to get up, you know, to 369 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: try to get down in three from that to try 370 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: to you know, like it takes such accuracy. So that's 371 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: it kind of makes sense to understand why first timers 372 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: or amateurs or people who are just coming to that 373 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: that that that venue. Then layer in the claustrophobia of 374 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: the patrons and just the enormity of the idea that 375 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: it's the Masters, and then you've got friends and family 376 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: in town that might not normally have made the trip. 377 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: All of that combined it almost feels like you got 378 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: no to to set any kind of expectations of like, 379 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: oh I want to finish, you know, make the cut 380 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: or top fifteen or try to like it just almost 381 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: feels unfair to yourself to try to set you know, 382 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, it's it's a lot. It's 383 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: a lot, ye, I think, I mean, And I guess 384 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: the issue is that you make those realizations ten days 385 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 1: off to the things finished. Um, because like obviously you know, 386 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: as a comparitor, like you try not make those excuses 387 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: for yourself and you know, it's a it's a golf tournament, 388 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: like you've played many golf tournaments. But it really is 389 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: like nothing else, even from from why I was sort 390 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: of obviously getting to speak to a few of the guys, 391 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: they they treat it as this one off event. You know, 392 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: it's it's it's very intense. Um played nine ols of 393 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: with Rory on the Wednesday, and you could tell he 394 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: was he was sort of get up ready to go, 395 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: like he It felt like he was very intense, very focused. 396 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: Not why I expected on a pratch round of someone 397 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: who you know has achieved what he has, but um, 398 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: you know, it's just a lot of So it's just 399 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: it's just a perfect venue for creating that kind of anticipation, 400 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: I suppose and anxiety because as as you say, it's 401 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: so it's so difficult to put your way around there 402 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: and not make mistakes because it's it really is chess. 403 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: You know, you need to see where the pin is 404 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: and you need to plan backwards from that because there's 405 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: certain places around the Green complex is that you just 406 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: can't too part from and you can't ga up and 407 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: down from and so um, yeah, you definitely see once 408 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: you're there, you realize, you know, how how difficult it 409 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: is for people that haven't been there before to compete 410 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: because there's just such a library of dudes and don'ts 411 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: that you only really find out from from playing in 412 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: the event. Um. So I mean I was, I was 413 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: literally saying that, Andy M the other day we were 414 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: practicing and saying, you have such a better idea what 415 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: you're going to do now than this time last year, 416 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 1: because um, you know, having watched the guys play on 417 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: the sort of torment conditions and play it yourself, you 418 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: just you know, you realize this so many um little 419 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: trap's been set basically for you, So um, it's gonna 420 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: you're really interested to watch having played it, so I'm 421 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: looking forward to to that. How do you get back, Laird? 422 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: What's what's your pet from from the Masters last year? 423 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: Talk me through then what you know? I guess before 424 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: I having get there. It must have felt like from 425 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: the time that you get into the Amateur and you 426 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: go on and you win, and then you play the 427 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,239 Speaker 1: Open a couple of weeks later, and then you know, 428 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: you start, you know, in theory, you start almost preparing 429 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: for like you know, you've got the Masters, in the 430 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,479 Speaker 1: US Open, you get to Georgia Cup. Between that whole 431 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: stretch you you would on from like COVID and and 432 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: UM and just uh, you know, lack of confidence and 433 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: you've got injuries and surgeries and you're in a swing chain, 434 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: you know, sort of self doubt. Then you get into 435 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: get into the Amateur, you start being able to swing again, 436 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: you're now healthy. You win. Then then this magic carpet 437 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: right unfolds that whole stretch from the moment you win 438 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: to the time you know, say, to the to the 439 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: to the day you leave Augusta must have felt like 440 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: some sort of massive blur, like you got on too 441 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: a conveyor belt or or a treadmill going at like 442 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: eight and a half and you just didn't get off. 443 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: I would imagine for a long time. There's not day 444 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: goes by when you don't think about, I'm planning the 445 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: Master's in April. You know, some's it's kind of difficult 446 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: to I mean, obviously it's absolute blessing, but it's also 447 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: difficult in its own way because you're so hyper focused 448 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: on one tournament and trying to peak for one tournament, um, 449 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: and you put so much emphasis on it, and that's 450 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: just not how these guys. It's not how anyone succeeds. 451 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: You know, they they they try and play the best 452 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: every week that they play, they prepare for their sort 453 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: of schedule. But you know, Rory's not hanging around all 454 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: year waiting for next week or for for the for 455 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: the Masters like he's He's you know, no one's doing that. 456 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: And obviously he's got the sort of pressure of the career, 457 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: Grand Slam and stuff, hasn't he, But you know, it's 458 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: just not how people succeed. You can't really decide when 459 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: you peak. That's the difficult thing, and trying to force 460 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: things that never works, and it's it's quite difficult to 461 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: turn up to the Masters and just let it happen 462 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: because you know, you've been waiting to play for it, 463 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: playing it so long. So yeah, yeah, it was. It 464 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: was certainly a wild ride. Um. And I remember saying 465 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: to my family, UM, after I'd won the British Amateur, 466 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: you know, now's a good time to start making some 467 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: good decisions and um, ultimately I I didn't do that. Um, 468 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: but that's only with a benefit of hindsight really, but it's, um, 469 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: it's a journey. I suppose you learn, you learn from it, 470 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: but no, it was. The whole experience was amazing. I mean, 471 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: obviously getting to play the Open when you're riding that 472 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: high still and then you know, having an opportunity to 473 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: to be the answer champion for the year and um, 474 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: obviously go and go and play knowingly, um, the Majors, 475 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: but get some invites to tour events and just have 476 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: the opportunity that not many people get to learn on 477 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: this crash course of how to become a professional golfer. Really, Um, 478 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: so that was really really fun. And then obviously until 479 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: until I turn pro after the US Open, it was 480 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: I never really had a chance to draw breath really 481 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: until you know, probably in November time or December this 482 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: this last year, because you know, you're you're going from 483 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: being I'm a champion too, then turning pro and then 484 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: you've got this sort of um notorieties I suppose of 485 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: just having turned pro as yet exam's champion. Then you 486 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: want to try and make the most of the opportunities 487 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: that come with that in terms of getting invites into events, 488 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: and you know, it was it was a very difficult 489 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: year because I didn't have my game really, I was 490 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: trying to find, find, um, my goal swing and um, 491 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: so it was stressful because you feel like you want 492 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: to make the most of this sort of opportunity and 493 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: try and get ahead. But um, you know, you it's 494 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: gotta keep keep going and you know good things are 495 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: going to happen again, so UM, you know it's um no, 496 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: it's been a blessing. It really has been been a 497 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: lot of fun. So where are you now on the journey? 498 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: Where do you sit in terms of status and plans 499 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: and your focus and your swing and your health, your body, 500 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: your mind, My body is all good, health, all good. 501 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: So I mean that's something definitely be thankful for. Um. 502 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: I had a few issues at the end of last year. 503 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: But it's probably more mechanic goals and mechanic related and 504 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: probably a bit of stress at the same time in 505 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: terms of where I sit. So I guess it's it's 506 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: quite liberating to say probably at the bottom of the pile. 507 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: You know, I'm back at the start again in some ways. 508 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: So you never, um, you never unwin the amateur So 509 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: that's obviously something that I'll have to to my use 510 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: in terms of hopefully getting some invites. But that's literally 511 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: what it is at the moment, just hoping to get 512 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: invites into pretty much anything, um, playing some miniature stuff 513 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: back in the UK, um, and then you know try 514 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: and you know look at Q school and stuff at 515 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: the end of this year and I guess you know, 516 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: Key School for the DP World tour um, and then 517 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: just to see where see where other opportunities come because 518 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: there's always there's always stuff that comes up and hopefully, um, 519 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: if you can get a few invites and then you play, 520 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: well you can get things snowballing. And that really is 521 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: how a lot of how a lot of it happens. 522 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: So but yeah, I mean it's just it's that's that's 523 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: the pew your golf. Really It's like last year I 524 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: was playing these top events, you know, with the best 525 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: players in the world, and then next year you've got 526 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: to earn the right to do that all over again. So, um, 527 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to I'm looking forward to, you know, 528 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: trying to win some events and just get in the 529 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: thick of it againswer. So you're sending letters, you're seeking 530 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: out opportunities, You're you're you're you're building relationships out there 531 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: or trying to reach tournament directors. You're also tracking tours 532 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: and trying to figure out how you can get to 533 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: and qualify for you know, you need a place to play, right, 534 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: you want to you know, whether you know, whether it's 535 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: dp World Tour or the Asian Tour what like. You 536 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: just got to find a play yea to sort of 537 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: play regularly. Is that is that the plan? Yeah, it's um, yeah, 538 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: it's all those things. It's it's just um and then 539 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, just trying to to make sure you've got 540 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: everything in place for when you get those opportunities. UM. 541 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: I've you know, I played played Asian Q School at 542 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: the end of last year and that was interesting experience. 543 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: It's um, you know, a lot of guys are in 544 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: this position where they're they're just going to take any 545 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: any chance they can get. You know, I can't say 546 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: the thought of playing on the Asian Tour is there 547 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: anything that I had thought about previously? But it's a 548 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: case of if you can play golf and getting two events, 549 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: then you go and do it, no matter sort of 550 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: where it is. So, um, that's that. I guess that's 551 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: a reality for a lot of people. Um, So that's 552 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: it will be the interesting and hopefully see a few 553 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: new parts of the world and the process. But it's um, yes, 554 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: it's it's it's the grind, isn't it. It's like you're 555 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: starting at starting again, and you know, you just try 556 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: and make the most of ef chancies that come come 557 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: your way and try and pick up any any so 558 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 1: good fortune that comes along. Really, so, your work ethic 559 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 1: is you know, unmatched, right you the time you put 560 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: into it, whether that's on the range or in the 561 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: gym or mentally spiritually thinking about I mean, I you know, 562 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: I've spent enough time with you, I've talked to you 563 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: and your inner circle enough to know that some people 564 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 1: would say he might work too hard? Is that even 565 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: something that you would even acknowledge or do you feel 566 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: like or is there a balance that you're always seeking, 567 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: trying to make sure that you're not you're not sort 568 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 1: of putting too much pressure on yourself or you're working 569 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: too hard for something specific. Is that something you're continuing 570 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: You're trying to balance the balance. Yeah, it's really I 571 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: find it really difficult, um to try and find that balance. 572 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: But I've often found when I just take the foot 573 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: off the gas slightly that good things start to happen, 574 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: which is really bizarre. Um. But it's hard to do. Um. 575 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: It's hard to sit there and and and not be 576 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: working and thinking someone else's you know. But I think 577 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: I think it is about hitting that balance. I think 578 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: that the message of working hard is obviously it's a 579 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: positive one, but I think it's one that a lot 580 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: of people get wrong. And I'm definitely guilty of that. 581 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: You know, I can burn myself out very quickly, and 582 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: it's just when you add in the lifestyle of the 583 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: toll prom with with the traveling, and especially in my 584 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: position where I just don't know when my next opportunity is, 585 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, I kind of have to stay half fresh, 586 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 1: if you know what I mean to go and play torments, 587 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: so that's a difficult thing. And not being able to 588 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 1: set a schedule, um, you know, just you're just sort 589 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: of waiting around and you know, if you get told 590 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: last minute you've got to travel to Thailand or where 591 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: it is, you know, you don't want to be um 592 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: of work they've been working flat out for two weeks 593 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: before that, you know, because you're going to be going 594 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: to find it difficult. Um. So it's definitely something I'm 595 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: I'm trying to do better, trying to sort of engage 596 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: other aspects of my life and trying to have some 597 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: some time away from it because it's it's so all consuming, 598 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, especially when you've got social media full of 599 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: golf swings and other people's stuff. You know, it's like, yeah, 600 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: I can find myself sat there looking at golf swings 601 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 1: that you know, one o'clock in the morning, like it is. 602 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: It's some and thinking about stuff. So the more the 603 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: more I can simplify that stuff and simplify what I'm 604 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: working on and take that thinking out of that, I 605 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: think for me the back because um, you know, I've 606 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: got no problem with putting into time, but you need 607 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: to be getting something from it, which is the most 608 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: important thing. So um, but I think a lot of 609 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: people have us saying issue. I'd say it's funny because 610 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: you you know you're down. You were down eight with 611 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,399 Speaker 1: nineteen holes to play. You go to the turn at 612 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: the amateur down seven, and it was like, hey, I 613 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: just I just want to make sure I don't embarrass myself. 614 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 1: It was almost like you let go, right like you, 615 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: You let go, you stopped, you stopped thinking, you shrunk 616 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: your expectations into something way more manageable, and then the 617 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: ball started going in the hole right, and one hole 618 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 1: after the next, and you know, and then you go 619 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: on to win. You know, I would imagine that's that's 620 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: the hurdle. That's your biggest hurdle is your own is 621 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: yourself right like you If you can get to a 622 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: place where you Laird Shepherd sort of mentally detach and 623 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: allow the work and effort and energy that you've put 624 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: into it to take over. If you can put your 625 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,760 Speaker 1: mind aside, you know, and let your let your playing 626 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: ability and your competitive nature, athleticism, and your your effort 627 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: and energy take over, that's probably where you're at your best. 628 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,760 Speaker 1: Getting there is the is the issue, right, just because 629 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: to turn a brain off. That's why, like we've talked 630 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: about Dustin Johnson is probably that's part of his his 631 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 1: magic is he just doesn't He just almost like doesn't care, 632 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He's he does put in 633 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: the work, he's obviously talent, and he gets out there 634 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: and he just plays the game. Jordan speech at his 635 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: height of his powers was when he was just playing 636 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: a game. He gets into and he gets a mechanical 637 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: and he guys starts thinking too much. Rory at the 638 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: height of his powers was when he was a kid 639 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: like playing his game. Tiger kept that kid like spirit 640 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: of just I just want to win. I want to 641 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: get the ball in the hole. I want to beat 642 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: these guys. Is there something to all of that for you? Yeah? 643 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,439 Speaker 1: Something that really helped me. Um, it was specifically aimed 644 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,240 Speaker 1: at like my putting, but I mean it generally works 645 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: for most things in life. I'd say, is that, Um, 646 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 1: you know, I was told basically, you know you do 647 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: all all the right things. You know, you do the 648 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,399 Speaker 1: right work and the right practice, So once you're out there, 649 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: you know, you've got to trust that you've done all 650 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: that and then just just kind of let it go. 651 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: You can't be trying to control it the same way 652 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,399 Speaker 1: you are in practice, because it just you know, that's 653 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: not where you play your best um. And I use 654 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: this stuff some names there. I mean, like, I think 655 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: most of the best players in the world are artists 656 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: when they're playing their best um. And I know that 657 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: that goes for me. You know, when I'm playing my 658 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,320 Speaker 1: best I'm just seeing shots, you know, I'm seeing shapes, 659 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 1: and I guess this in this technage, it's quite difficult 660 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 1: to remain in that mindset because it's so easy to 661 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:35,280 Speaker 1: get dragged away. I remember actually doing something about Padreck Hyington. 662 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: He said that for majors he would basically go through 663 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: this process of trying to you know, like turn his 664 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,280 Speaker 1: brain off in terms of thinking about technical stuff because 665 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 1: he you know, he self professed. He says he loves 666 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: that side of the game. He said he would basically 667 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: take him three weeks before each major to you know, 668 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: get that technical sort of thought away and move to 669 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: just where he was playing golf. And I think that's 670 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: you know, where essentially, like everyone wants to be. That's 671 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: where I want to be. It's a lot less stressful 672 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: than than it is when you you know you're you're 673 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: trying to play under pressure, but you also have got X, 674 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: Y and Z to think about technically, it's I mean, 675 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,959 Speaker 1: it just strange you. It's really difficult to do. So 676 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: UM yeah, that's definitely something that I think and you 677 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: trust that I'm putting in the right world. But you've 678 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: got to be doing the right thing first of all. 679 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 1: But then if you're doing that, then that's all you 680 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 1: can do. And then when you go and play, just 681 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: go and be as sort of athletic and creative and 682 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,319 Speaker 1: three as possible. I suppose what are your goals and 683 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 1: aspirations now where we sit here, you know, the end 684 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: of end of March twenty twenty three and going forward, 685 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: what's on your list? I mean this year is just 686 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: to win, um some events basically, UM, I want to 687 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: win again this year because I feel like that's what 688 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: it's all about every level. If you can win at 689 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: every level, you're you're going to be in a good spot. 690 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: I mean, if you can win on a mini tour, 691 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: there's no reason why you can't win at the next level. 692 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: And that that's I think how you breathe confidence. But 693 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: also to me, like I guess I'm a big dilemma. 694 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: I think a lot of guys when they turn pro 695 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: is that something is their job and you start thinking 696 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 1: about making money. And I guess it's taken me a 697 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: few months to kind of realize that, you know, if 698 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 1: you go and play golf professionally, you can't start out 699 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: doing it for the money, because one, there's not a 700 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,879 Speaker 1: lot of cash at the lower levels, but also it's 701 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: not a good motivator. I've always played golf to try 702 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 1: and win tournaments, and because I, like you, I love 703 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: the game. I love playing golf. Um. So that's my 704 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: main goal is just to win. It doesn't matter what 705 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: tour is, doesn't matter what event you know, it's just 706 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 1: to win events. Um. And then I think it would 707 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 1: be to secure a basic gear, a card on whether 708 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 1: it be Challenge Tour or DP World Tour or wherever. 709 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 1: To be able to set a schedule for next year, um, 710 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: because I feel like that's that's really when you feel 711 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 1: like you are a professional golfer, when you're able to 712 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: sit down in January and set out what you're going 713 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 1: to play and then be able to plan your whole year. UM. 714 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: I feel like if you don't get to do that. 715 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 1: You aren't giving yourself a chance really to see to 716 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 1: see even whether you know you're going to enjoy this, 717 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 1: because it's very difficult to play without without being able 718 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: to do that, because at no other point in your 719 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: career are you going to be basically just sort of 720 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: waiting around opportunities. If you're at top amateur, you know 721 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: what you're playing in for that year, and if you're 722 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,919 Speaker 1: you know, a top pro or you're on some kind 723 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: of tour, you can you be able to plan your 724 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,919 Speaker 1: your year. So that's my two main goals in terms 725 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: of sort of outcomes. But I guess the main goal 726 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 1: is just to keep getting better. And despite having a 727 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: tough year last year, I feel like I did show 728 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 1: signs that I probably was getting better still. It's just 729 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,280 Speaker 1: the competition is much tougher. You know. The few events 730 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 1: I played on tour ends up making the cut that 731 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: the don Helm and played pretty decent, and even at 732 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 1: the times where I was missing cuts, I missed cuts 733 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:56,800 Speaker 1: by one or two shots, and I knew I wasn't. No, 734 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,040 Speaker 1: I didn't have my game. I didn't have my I 735 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: didn't really have my my C game really for a 736 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 1: lot of it it was. It was very much sort 737 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: of trying to survive. But you know, if I can 738 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,840 Speaker 1: I can miss cup by one or two when I 739 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: don't really know where the balls going, then I'm going 740 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,719 Speaker 1: to be able to I'm my best to compete. And 741 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: that's what I kind of showed him September. So it's 742 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 1: kind of that's the goal, is to keep keep keep 743 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: getting better, but also keep refining my understanding of what 744 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 1: I need to do, what my blueprint is, because I 745 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 1: think everything becomes um less stressful when you have that 746 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: under control. There's no way no one's not rooting for 747 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 1: you and for me having now established this relationship and 748 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 1: watching from afar and and just you know, obviously rooting 749 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,520 Speaker 1: for you, you know, beyond beyond just the game of golf, 750 00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 1: but just as a person and in life. But I 751 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: see these rounds that you have, these moments, you know, 752 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 1: sixty seven opening round Dunhill, you know, sixty nine Hero Open, 753 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: BMW seventy one, seventy shoot, sixty nine second round of 754 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 1: the Open, almost you know, barely, you know, just barely 755 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,400 Speaker 1: missing that cut listen, seventy five, seventy six at the 756 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,839 Speaker 1: US Open. You know, and again if you're not even 757 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 1: feeling like that's your best that you've got and knowing 758 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 1: that what's in there, the rounds that you can shoot, 759 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 1: and the golf that you can play when you need to, 760 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 1: and the puts you can make when you have to. 761 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,799 Speaker 1: You know, it just seems like the inevitable is you're 762 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: going to get there. It's just a matter of it's 763 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 1: not if, it's when, and it's for me, it seems 764 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:56,359 Speaker 1: so clear if you can just find that place that 765 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: you need to get to. You know, almost men saying 766 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,240 Speaker 1: it mentally meaning to that you can not be engaged 767 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,840 Speaker 1: mentally is where you're you're at your most powerful. You know, 768 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 1: that's your that's your strength, and and it's hard for 769 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 1: you because it goes against everything that you do on 770 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 1: a daily basis. Like you get up, you're consumed by 771 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: your work, you're you're you're making yourself better. And then 772 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 1: somehow you have to flip a switch and almost go 773 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 1: back to like the kid that you know, kid in 774 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: the backyard trying to learn, you know, just trying to 775 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,839 Speaker 1: see shots, be that artist that you're talking about and 776 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,840 Speaker 1: that you know, Bubba's won two masters, and DJ is 777 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 1: one at Oakmont, and and and Augusta and Tiger the 778 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 1: ultimate artist and and and creativity and that that those 779 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,360 Speaker 1: early days of Rory and Jordan, Well that's you. That's 780 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 1: in there. You know you have all the shots and 781 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 1: you have all the takes to get there. It's really 782 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,279 Speaker 1: just a matter of of of the stars aligning. And 783 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,839 Speaker 1: that is the grind, right like Dad's the grind. It's 784 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 1: it's nice when you know what you need to do. Um. 785 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 1: The real difficult thing is when you don't know what 786 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,400 Speaker 1: you need to do. UM Like at the US Open, 787 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:22,720 Speaker 1: for example, Um, I was I literally had no idea 788 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,919 Speaker 1: what I was doing really until Wednesday afternoon. I went 789 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,040 Speaker 1: to the range and just started to try some old things, 790 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,840 Speaker 1: old things that used to work for me, like completely different. 791 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,960 Speaker 1: I've been working on some stuff with I've working on 792 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: some some swing stuff for probably about six weeks that 793 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 1: point seven weeks and for whatever reason, just like you know, 794 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:52,759 Speaker 1: it wasn't comfortable, wasn't working. So yeah, Wednesday, just decide, right, 795 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna have to do. Um and 796 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 1: like stress levels for me or through the roof. Obviously, 797 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: I've definitely had a lot of scars from Augusta, but 798 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,560 Speaker 1: also thinking like I can't believe this happened again. You know, 799 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,239 Speaker 1: I worked work quite hard, and you know, just don't 800 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,960 Speaker 1: feel comfortable that I'm trying to do. And I'm here 801 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,080 Speaker 1: on the Wednesday before the event, just making up as 802 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:19,919 Speaker 1: I go along on the driving range basically, um, and 803 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,320 Speaker 1: you know, actually was relatively happy with how I played, 804 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 1: but the thought of going into when the US Open, 805 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,359 Speaker 1: obviously it's it's the toughest test in golf. Um, that 806 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,239 Speaker 1: was pretty That was pretty daunting. I'll admit I was 807 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:43,120 Speaker 1: a bit stressed, but that Yeah, but it was a 808 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:44,600 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of fun in the end. To 809 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 1: be able to get through it and be like, I 810 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 1: think that was important as well. Um after Augusta too, 811 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,319 Speaker 1: and I know that I missed the cut by quite 812 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:59,880 Speaker 1: a few shots, and but to to just play better 813 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,640 Speaker 1: and realize and not it's not that far away, um 814 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,799 Speaker 1: was was good because it would have been difficult to 815 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:13,200 Speaker 1: deal with another sort of really tough result. So yeah, 816 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:17,440 Speaker 1: you're exactly right. It's just about it's about getting some 817 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,080 Speaker 1: consistency and what I'm trying to do, and then that 818 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,560 Speaker 1: basically leading to me being able to just sort of 819 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,200 Speaker 1: not think about things as much. And then then good 820 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,439 Speaker 1: things happen, and I know that. I think one one 821 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:34,560 Speaker 1: thing that I'll take with me from this experience for 822 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,840 Speaker 1: the rest of my career is that, um, it's for me, 823 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,640 Speaker 1: it's all about winning golf tournaments. And I know that 824 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,319 Speaker 1: if I put myself in that position, as you know 825 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,839 Speaker 1: multiple times last year where I didn't have my game, 826 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,040 Speaker 1: but you know I had to do X, Y and 827 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,759 Speaker 1: Z to make a cut or to feel like I 828 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,640 Speaker 1: was going to make a cut, and I was able 829 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 1: to pull through some of those, and UM, you know, 830 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,680 Speaker 1: I know I've got that respect in me, which I 831 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,600 Speaker 1: think is quite a difficult one to teach. So UM, 832 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 1: I just need to put myself in a position to win, 833 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,480 Speaker 1: and I know i'll I'll have a good opportunity. So UM, 834 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:18,720 Speaker 1: I'm very much looking forward to getting going, competing again 835 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,600 Speaker 1: and working way up the ladder because once you have 836 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:28,319 Speaker 1: seen the top of the tree the major championships, it's, um, 837 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,680 Speaker 1: it's it's really motivating because they're just so much fun. 838 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,520 Speaker 1: They're just so much fun, and obviously with the crowds 839 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,520 Speaker 1: and everything, it's just you know, you want that feeling, 840 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:45,080 Speaker 1: that buzz again. So yeah, I'm looking forward to to 841 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,320 Speaker 1: thinking less and playing better. My sense is, if you 842 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 1: weren't a golfer, Laird, you'd be a mountain climber, because 843 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,480 Speaker 1: you seem to just love you love you love the climb. 844 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,919 Speaker 1: You know, you you you've had, You've overcome so much 845 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,880 Speaker 1: adversity in these last several years. Uh not unlike what 846 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,439 Speaker 1: a lot of people have dealt with, whether that that's 847 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:14,120 Speaker 1: covid or or or you know, professional you know, curveballs 848 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,040 Speaker 1: and and everybody you know, and we say this all 849 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,160 Speaker 1: the time, everyone's on their own personal grind, but you 850 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,640 Speaker 1: just you, it is not going to be surprising to me. 851 00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,880 Speaker 1: Like again, it's not if it's when when I start 852 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,760 Speaker 1: seeing you know, you at the top of leader boards 853 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,279 Speaker 1: on a consistent basis, And I don't know where that's 854 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,439 Speaker 1: going to be, uh you know, I don't know who 855 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,920 Speaker 1: that will be up against, but I like, you know, 856 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,759 Speaker 1: you just you got too much fight and you and 857 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,040 Speaker 1: I think you, I think you you're willing to put 858 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,880 Speaker 1: in the climb and therefore you get to the tops 859 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,000 Speaker 1: of the mountains. You know, you get that's how you 860 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,040 Speaker 1: get there is because you're willing to put in the 861 00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,520 Speaker 1: put in the time and the effort and energy and 862 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,400 Speaker 1: I think your effort, your energy, your you know, my 863 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,719 Speaker 1: biggest away from all my time I've spent with you 864 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,439 Speaker 1: and also talking to people around you, is the inspiration 865 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,840 Speaker 1: of your of your passion, your inspiration for your and 866 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:16,080 Speaker 1: dedication to the craft. And I think that's that will 867 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:21,160 Speaker 1: result in success. I just I just you have too 868 00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:26,200 Speaker 1: much talent and too much doggingness to not get to 869 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,960 Speaker 1: the tops of whatever mountain you set to climb. And 870 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,200 Speaker 1: I so I can see you, you know, I know 871 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,839 Speaker 1: you're climbing again, and there's going to be someday soon 872 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 1: where we see you at the top again, and then 873 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,399 Speaker 1: you're gonna probably have to you know, you'll go back 874 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,000 Speaker 1: down in the mountain. You'll climb again. I just feel 875 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,359 Speaker 1: like that's the way. You know, Look at how many 876 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,359 Speaker 1: mountains Tiger has climbed, or look how many mountains you know, 877 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:53,320 Speaker 1: guys like Justin Rose or Different, you know different Adam Scott. 878 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,800 Speaker 1: You know these guys have climbed mountains multiple time. Darren Clark, 879 00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 1: you know how look at how long it took for 880 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,759 Speaker 1: him to win a major. I mean, it just it 881 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,319 Speaker 1: just it's all out there. And I think to see 882 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,040 Speaker 1: Laird Shepherd again holding a big, you know, meaningful trophy 883 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:16,200 Speaker 1: feels like that's the inevitable, So well, I hope you're right, Um, 884 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:23,480 Speaker 1: yeah I am. Occasionally I'll go back and look at 885 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,960 Speaker 1: just the final sort of like two minutes from the 886 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:32,840 Speaker 1: amateur on the on the highlights and kind of relive 887 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,160 Speaker 1: that moment a little bit um and come to the 888 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,680 Speaker 1: realization that at times when I'm feeling like I'm not 889 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:44,720 Speaker 1: getting anywhere, you know, it was so worth it, um 890 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,480 Speaker 1: and again that if you go, I go, I've seen it, amor. 891 00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,160 Speaker 1: But that's you playing golf. That is like you at 892 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,720 Speaker 1: the height of your powers in which you're hitting shots 893 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,359 Speaker 1: and you're hitting into us, but I gotta get here 894 00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,759 Speaker 1: your strategy, you're plotting your your get on the green, 895 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,920 Speaker 1: you're making the ball goes in the hole. And then 896 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,320 Speaker 1: it's like that momentum you feed off I can see 897 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,480 Speaker 1: you know. Then you get that when you get that 898 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,560 Speaker 1: swagger and you get this that that that pep in 899 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,160 Speaker 1: your step. It's like, I don't know that just you 900 00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,160 Speaker 1: look very hard to beat at that point when you 901 00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,239 Speaker 1: get there, it's it's not going to be easy to 902 00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:25,200 Speaker 1: knock you out. So yeah, get back there. You know, 903 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,680 Speaker 1: as often as possible because it's fun. It's fun to watch, 904 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:31,759 Speaker 1: and then it's probably fun for you too. And then 905 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,200 Speaker 1: when you do that, when you do that, you know 906 00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,360 Speaker 1: you got to you gotta probably also remind yourself to 907 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,560 Speaker 1: enjoy it, you know, like it just uh, it's it's that, 908 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,880 Speaker 1: it's the balance. So, um, we're following, we're rooting you 909 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,360 Speaker 1: on were uh we're you know, I speak on behalf 910 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,239 Speaker 1: of a lot of people I know, um, not just 911 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,560 Speaker 1: family and friends, but all the all the people who 912 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,279 Speaker 1: have who have been along on this journey with you. 913 00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,080 Speaker 1: So um JN. Thank you enough for a share in 914 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,879 Speaker 1: your story with us multiple times allowing us to sort 915 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,840 Speaker 1: of tag along at times that are that have been 916 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, pressure packed and distracting, and being so forthcoming 917 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,160 Speaker 1: with your with your thoughts and emotions and what you're 918 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,480 Speaker 1: going through. It means means a lot has been an 919 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,879 Speaker 1: honor to sort of help tell your story because it's 920 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,919 Speaker 1: one hell of a story. And like you said, they'll 921 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,879 Speaker 1: never then never take away that amateur championship from you, 922 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,360 Speaker 1: and you're forever on that trophy into the annals of 923 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,600 Speaker 1: the greatest you know, record book and all of golf 924 00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,799 Speaker 1: and and uh and keep going. It's it's you know, 925 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,840 Speaker 1: look forward to watching where you where you end up. Well, 926 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:47,240 Speaker 1: thank you very much, it's been it's been surreal to 927 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,680 Speaker 1: to meet you and be able to share this story. 928 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,760 Speaker 1: It's funny. I was thinking to myself, it's some before 929 00:56:54,920 --> 00:57:00,760 Speaker 1: this happened, I was sometimes, um imagine myself like speaking 930 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,040 Speaker 1: on a podcast, because I listened to so many of them, um, 931 00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,840 Speaker 1: you know, not just on golf, but randomly on other topics, 932 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,120 Speaker 1: and you know, you always kind of like think what 933 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,279 Speaker 1: would I say if I was on one? And I 934 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,959 Speaker 1: guess that's what people talk about in terms of sort 935 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,000 Speaker 1: of trying to manifest stuff into happening, you know, And 936 00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,520 Speaker 1: so I just find it really really a privilege to 937 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,880 Speaker 1: be able to sort of speak to you guys and 938 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:31,200 Speaker 1: haven't met you guys. It's just been been great And yeah, 939 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:36,520 Speaker 1: well we'll continue climbing. See you back at the top 940 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:43,440 Speaker 1: of another mountain, that's for sure. I've been big pleaded 941 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:49,600 Speaker 1: to win, made a fortune with my sho round the 942 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,720 Speaker 1: table and never thought I could find them, but Win 943 00:57:53,520 --> 00:58:00,640 Speaker 1: hit me like a cannon ball. Now she is losing 944 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:05,000 Speaker 1: the street. Every road I take is a dead end street. 945 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,720 Speaker 1: I got thoughts in my head. Can't get them out, 946 00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,280 Speaker 1: trying not to think what I'm thinking about. I got 947 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,800 Speaker 1: thoughts in my head, can't get them out. Trying not 948 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,160 Speaker 1: to think what I'm thinking about.