WEBVTT - Finders Keepers: Real Law 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.560 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff Works 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:13.920 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.759 and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry over there. 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:21.320 And this is stuff you should know. The Finders Keepers 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:27.320 Edition Losers Weepers. Yeah, I know, so, Chuck. This is like, 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:29.000 this is an actual thing. It's not just like a 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:33.640 child's fantasy. Like this is law in some places. And 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:38.240 while it doesn't actually state losers weepers, I think it's implied. 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.920 It's implicit in the law where the finders the keeper, 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:46.480 but you lost it, so you're legally obligated to weep 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:49.760 in public. Yeah. And it's funny reading through some of 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:55.160 these examples. It sounds like playground stuff. I'll say that 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:57.880 I'll get to some of these. Some of these examples, though, 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:02.520 I'm like, man, that's not your person, Like, come on, 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.600 give it up. Did you say that out loud to yourself? 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.399 I did a couple of these. I was like, man, seriously, man, 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:13.080 that's not yours, that's not yours. I'm just have a 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.600 big justice thing, you know, So yeah, me too. It's 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.640 when I see people acting like a big baby in 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.560 saying like this money I found in my wall is mine? Like, no, 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.840 it's not. Well, you would be a great arbitrator, Yeah, 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:28.200 get out of here, it's not. You'd be like, my 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:34.200 ruling is this man that's not yours? Give it up. Uh. 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.720 But no, let's start with John and Mary not their 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:41.680 real names. No, No, I guess that's worth pointing out. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:46.440 These are anonymous, an anonymous husband and wife team from 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:49.920 nor caw Yeah, from Ryan, California. And they are anonymous 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:51.960 because they didn't want a lot of attention and they 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.640 are still anonymous. We'll call him John and Mary and 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.559 they are famous. Uh. Well, I guess they're not famous, 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.840 but their cases a little famous because they found ten 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.560 million dollars and our you know what could be ten 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:08.880 million dollars in rare gold coins buried on their property 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:12.400 that they own on a walk and it's known as 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:16.440 the saddle Ridge Horde. Uh. In February two thirteen, they 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:20.519 found this, uh, these gold coins that no one knows 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:24.120 who they belonged to, how they got buried there, but 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.520 they found them and took a long time sort of 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.200 coming out with this. They did about as smart as 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.840 you possibly can. Yeah, they didn't rush to the press 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.880 or anything and say, look what we found. Uh. They 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.600 took their time because I think they rightfully knew that 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.840 they were onto something pretty special. Yeah. So they were 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.120 out walking on on their property put that away for 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.880 later with their dog, and they noticed, I guess, the 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:50.320 side of a can coming out of the ground, and 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.200 they went and dug it out, and sure enough, there 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.600 was a bunch of gold coins in there. Whenever you 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.639 see a can coming out of the ground, I mean, 0:02:57.680 --> 0:02:59.360 that's your hope and wish that it's going to be 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.400 filled with old coins or jewels or something, right, But 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:07.639 it never happens. And it actually happened to these people. 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.919 And and so they went back again and again and again, 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:15.680 and they ended up pulling eight cans filled with gold coins, 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.480 pure gold coins, out of the ground on their property. 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.440 And it became very apparent, based on the state of 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:26.000 preservation of the cans and the dates of the coins 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:30.200 in the cans, that somebody had buried this no more 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.520 recently than the very beginning of the twentieth century, and 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:37.000 probably sometime in the late nineteenth century. Yeah, and here's 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:41.680 a hint. If you ever happened to unearthed aid whatever 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.520 a can or a glass jar or something full of 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:49.360 money buried on your property. Just keep digging that maybe it, 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.920 but maybe not. Yeah, I wondered, like what kind of 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.880 excavation they undertook points once they were like, oh there's 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:59.560 more there. I'm quite sure they cleared that ground. It's 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:03.360 it's it's verified. There's no more cans. So if you're 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.680 talking actual money, the face value, it's about twenty seven grand. 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:10.040 But because these are rare fines in great, great condition, 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:14.080 most of most of these coins, um, they're thinking that 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:16.760 it could be worth as many as as much as 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.760 ten million bucks. So they're gonna sell it. Well, they 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:26.320 have been and donate some of this money. M and um, 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:28.919 you know that it's nice that they're they're donating some 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:32.760 of it, but it really sort of um opens up 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.920 this question of hey, what does the law say about 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:42.839 finding something period much less like on my property rights? 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.920 The finders keepers law basically is what you're talking about, 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.680 And that's really what it's called in case laws find 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:53.440 the finders finders keepers laws or rules. That's right. So, um, 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.680 there was a lot going on here. These guys, John 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.960 and Mary owned the land that these coins were found, 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:04.160 Dawn and that was a huge mark in their favorite um. 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:08.680 But there in the United States, it really depends on 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.760 what state you're in, what court you go to, what 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:16.240 judge you happen to pull the case lawn is so 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.800 all over the place and so piecemeal that it's it's 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.040 really almost the luck of the draw. And there are 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:25.560 more things that you can do to compound your case 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.000 to make it more likely that the the thing is 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:34.440 is yours. But really it comes down to who has 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:39.599 the best claim on whatever is found. Yeah, like somebody 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.840 could come forward still probably or could have come forward 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.400 with John and Mary and said, wait a minute, that 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:50.720 was my great great grand Pappy Clark's land, and I'm 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:55.480 sure he did not intend to clark you those gold coins, right, Uh, So, 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.320 like we actually should have a claim as his family, 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.280 um to to to take this stuff from you, and 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.800 like that could go that could very legitimately go to 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.400 court to be decided by a judge. And again, like 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:13.440 you said, it's who has the more legitimate claim. Um. 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.279 What really helps them is like you said, it was 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:19.680 on their land and that it's super old, right exactly, 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.640 So the fact that it's very very old means that 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:26.680 the person who buried them is probably dead may not 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.720 even have any living heirs any longer. Um that's one 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:33.920 thing that it's it's old. The second thing is that 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:39.200 it's old, but it's also not necessarily archaeological. It's it's money. 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:43.960 So it's the gold coins are the definition of treasure. 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.240 And what we've entured now is called treasure law. And 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.520 there's different types of things that we'll see, but there's 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:56.040 one one category of found property is called treasure. And 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.680 what they found was treasure. It was a gold coin, 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:03.080 it was very old, but it wasn't necessarily archaeological. Again, 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.400 it was on their property. And so had somebody come 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:10.280 along and said, my Grandpappy Clark buried those back when 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.880 my family owned this property, that's ours, they would have 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:17.480 a claim. And and pretty much anytime something valuable, especially 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.920 ten million dollars valuable, is found in the United States, 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.080 it is automatically going to get hammered out in court 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:28.200 because the laws are so vague, in piecemeal and arbitrary 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.080 that it's going to going to be hammered out in court. 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.560 Who has the bigger claim. But because John and Mary 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.360 found something that was old that was buried by someone, 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.720 no one knows who buried it, and that it was 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.800 found on their property. They have a pretty good claim. Now, 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.400 if you were going to come and say, my grandpappy 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:48.640 buried that, um, your claim would be that was that 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.680 belonged to my family at one point in time. We 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.440 think it still does. It just happened to be buried 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:58.360 and forgotten or left um on land that these people bought. 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.160 Now there's a pretty good chance that the court would say, yeah, 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:04.920 but they bought the land. And depending on what state 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.840 you're in, that's that if they own the land, they 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:11.400 owned everything on it. Yeah. Or bought the car with 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.840 money in the trunk, or the house with a super 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.240 valuable painting buried in the attic. It's sort of all 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.280 the same um and And this is modern times. This 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.520 has been going on since the dawn of time when 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:28.040 people would lose or bury something, and they've always had 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.239 I think back then it was a little more cut 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.160 and dried, like an ancient Rome. If you found something 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.880 like that, half of it went to the emperor. Just 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.320 sort of know if ands or butts uh. If. In 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:44.160 modern England, if you find something um old and rare, uh, 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.280 they say that belongs to the queen. Um. But here's 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:51.080 here's like a good fee for you now now hand 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.720 it over. And that's very very new, and that's kind 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:58.640 of that represents the the new thinking in treasure law 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:03.120 or found property law, which is, look, we can't just 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.320 let you keep this stuff that may have not just 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.680 like monetary value, but actually like cultural value as well, 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.640 like so we need to have something to do with this. 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:14.880 So England just when, or i should say, the UK 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:19.640 just said everything you find that is valuable or antique 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:24.280 um and archaeological that belongs to the crown. But the 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.760 Crown is going to pay you market value, no questions asked, 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.160 right off the bat. So it's not finders keepers, but 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.120 it's finders. Here's here's a bunch of money you didn't 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.400 have before for finding this and bringing it into us. 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.200 And the point of this from the position of the 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:43.120 Crown or the UK government is that it encourages cooperation 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:48.760 with archaeological, archaeologists and historians to preserve cultural stuff rather 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:53.479 than just having it sold out onto them the commercial 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:58.360 market to private collectors because of finder keepers laws. And 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:02.320 that's how it was before six Yeah. I mean, if 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.560 if it's in the UK today and you find something 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.360 that is not an ancient gold coin. But if you 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.800 just find it, let's say, you know, ten thousand pounds 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.440 bundled together, buried in your in your attic or on 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.240 the street for that matter, I think you have to 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:21.560 file paperwork at a police station. Uh, the owners have 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.800 twenty eight days to claim it, and then it's yours. 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.680 In the United States, it varies from state to state 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:31.720 and uh sometimes even county to county, but generally it's 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.280 sort of the same thing, like reported to the police. 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:36.920 They need to advertise the lost property for a week 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.880 and then wait about ninety days, depending on where you are, 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.319 to see if anyone claims it, and then after that 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.960 they might say you can keep it. Yeah, but but 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:48.280 maybe it just depends on where you are. That's um, 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:51.800 that's like contemporary property that you found, right, yeah, yeah, 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:54.160 this is not like ancient gold coins. This is I 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.840 found a bundle of cold, hard cash. So let's let's 0:10:57.880 --> 0:10:59.640 take a break and then we'll take a detour into 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.120 content porary property, because there are like a whole other 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.839 set of laws that are like are kind of important too, 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:30.959 All right, okay, Chuck, So, like we said, there's there's 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:36.600 some categories for for property found property. One of them 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.600 is the treasure where it's just straight up I found 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:45.160 eight cans of gold coins and it's treasure. Some in 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:49.720 the UK there's not really a distinction between that and say, um, 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:55.080 like uh, archaeological artifacts, they're virtually one and the same. 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:58.520 In the US, because the age of the country is 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:03.640 young enough, there's a distinction between an archaeological artifact and say, 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.640 like treasure that's found. But there's then there's contemporary property 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.800 where the person who owned it is probably still alive. 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:14.360 If not, they're the first generation after them is still 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:19.280 probably around UM and that that contemporary stuff is basically 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:25.160 broken out into three subcategories. There's lost, abandoned, and mislaid property, 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:29.000 and depending on the status of the property UM, the 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.360 finder may or may not get to keep it. And 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.920 even that then it depends on where you are. Yes, 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.640 so as far as those categories go. Abandoned property is 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:42.640 something that uh they say is forsaken by a previous 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:46.880 owner who doesn't have any intention of coming back for it, 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:51.800 so they've abandoned. They have abandoned it. Can you imagine 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.560 like how you would tell whether something's abandoned or not. 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:59.360 I don't know. I mean unless they literally leave a 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:04.080 note saying finders keepers, I don't want this anymore. Get 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.080 this away from me. You know what would it be 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.600 like a big bag of cocaine that somebody left there, Like, 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.439 I can't do anymore. This is really bad for me. 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:16.320 I don't want this. I don't know. Uh, I don't know. 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:17.680 That is that That is the one that is the 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:21.439 most confusing. The other two are much more straightforward. Lost 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:26.240 obviously is like the example they gave is you've lost 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:30.000 your engagement ring in the street, um, and clearly it's 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.240 something that you want back and maybe have tried to 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.760 come back and find um, but you have dropped it 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.640 or lost it somehow. And this mislaid is even more 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:43.440 interesting because uh, that is something that you intentionally put 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.959 somewhere but then kind of forgot it. And another good 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.839 example like you went to the bank and we're filling 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:53.520 out your your form and then oh my goodness, you 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.360 got a cell phone call and had to bolt real quick, 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:57.880 and you left that money on the counter that you 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:01.440 wanted to deposit in the bank. That is mislay, um, 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.800 because you clearly had an intention for it and we're 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:08.160 just way late or whatever, right, so it's not technically lost. 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:12.600 Because you put it somewhere on purpose, whereas lost, like 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.240 you dropped something in a parking lot. You may not 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.320 even know you're missing it at the time, right, or 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.360 you can't find it, right. Um. Mislaid is just like 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:22.400 you're no longer where you put that thing down, but 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:26.000 you intended to do something with it. There was intent 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.600 behind it, but you forgot or something or you got 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:31.920 called away. Yeah, and that that property mislaid property is 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:36.080 supposed to be guarded by whoever owns the property. So 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.640 in that case it would be the bank. Somebody from 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:40.760 the bank should go over there, collect that money and 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.600 just set it aside and be like that guy. I'll 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.040 be back for this, right. Which is it's funny because 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:46.960 you know the whole lost and Found box. You think 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.200 that's just like a good Samaritan thing. Well, really it's 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:53.480 everybody just covering their behinds lee speaking. I guess I 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.000 see it differently now, and I'm a little more bitter 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.720 because of it. So this Arizona case is one of 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:02.280 the ones where I got a little, uh little pod 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.280 I was a little bit. So this is a man died, 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:10.680 he hid half a million dollars in cans and ammo cans, 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:15.480 ammunition cans in the walls. And years later, the person 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:19.520 who owned that house, we're doing some renovations. Outcome these 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.520 cans and they were like, oh my god, it's a 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:26.360 half a million dollars. This is ours. So this man's 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.920 daughters they knew, like dad loved to do stuff like this. 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:34.200 He loved to hide things, He loved to hide things away. Uh. 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.200 They they searched before they sold the house. They even searched, 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.600 but obviously did not find these these cans stashed in 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:44.560 the walls. Uh. And when this came out, these daughters 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:46.840 came forward and we're like, you know, that's our money, 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.560 that's our our you know, should have gone to us 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.840 in a will, but my kookie dad stashed it in 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:57.400 the wall again. And uh, these people fought them for 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:01.000 that and said, no finders keepers in our wall. We 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.880 bought this house. Well, so I mean, I I can 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.800 understand your eye or in your anger, and that's what 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.000 I'm like. As soon as someone stepped forward, I would 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.400 have been like, oh, well, here's your money, then, like 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:15.320 this is your father's. It doesn't belong to me. But 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:19.000 what if you were like, actually, we've got a like 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:23.160 legitimate legal claim to this because depending on where they were, 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.840 and this is Arizona, but I mean depending on the state. 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:30.640 When you buy property from somebody, you buy the property, 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:34.920 and everything on that property, whether anyone knows it's there 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.560 or not, it belongs to you. Is the property owner. 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:42.360 For example, Texas is huge on that huge on private 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.600 property ownership, so much so that if you own property 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:49.760 in Texas and there's an archaeological site on your property, 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.360 that's yours, bub you can set it on fire, you 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.880 can turn it into a rec room, you can do 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.400 whatever you want with that stuff. That's your property. That's 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:03.560 how that's how Texas views uhum private property rights. Right. 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.320 So these people may have been like, well, we're from Texas, 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.640 that's just how we do it in Texas. They had 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.520 a legitimate claim to challenge. I get what you're saying. 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:15.000 But they also may have felt like, hey, we bought 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:18.639 this property and this came with the property, so this 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.680 is our sorry, that whole losers wheepers thing I think 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:23.760 is what they were invoking. Yeah, I mean that that's 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.720 clearly what they did. But what I'm saying is that 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:31.080 is not a that's not cool. No, it's that money 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.320 did not belong to them. They didn't work for it. 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.080 They didn't buy it because the house because they thought 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.560 there might be money in the walls. And if no 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.120 one came forward, then great. But as soon as these 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:46.159 daughters come forward, like that's their money to do the 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.680 right thing, that's what I say. I'm with you. Would 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.679 there's no way I would have challenged these daughters in court, right, 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:58.120 you would have been Finders, nice guys, losers here you go, Well, 0:17:58.119 --> 0:17:59.639 I'd make sure, you know, I'd go through all the 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.679 legal process of making sure that they are who they 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.000 say they were and it all checked out. I wouldn't 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:06.679 like if they came knocking on my door, would just 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:10.520 go all right here, But I would. I would go 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.000 through that process and then say, well, okay, then it's 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.080 definitely your money. Would you like interview their cousins would 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:17.919 be like, what kind of daughters were they? Were they 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.920 good daughters? Or you know? Do they deserve this? And 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:24.199 at the very least, you're inviting a a heap of 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.280 bad luck and karma upon your head. Well, if you 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:31.359 believe that kind of stuff, sure it comes around. What 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.200 goes around comes around. That's my motto. Well that's another 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:38.239 Finders keepers, losersweepers, what goes around comes around? And then 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.560 the third one everything I needed to know I learned 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.600 in kindergarten. Or what about this guy in Georgia the 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:47.919 public defender talk about a jerk? Yes, there's no this 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:51.119 guy had no legal standing whatsoever, whether he was from 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.280 Texas or anywhere. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't look him 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.760 up to see what his name was. But in two 0:18:56.640 --> 0:19:01.359 thousand thirteen, a public defender found, um uh a diamond 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.080 ring I guess, an engagement ring that was worth something 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:08.120 like ten dollars and just put it in their pocket 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:12.800 and walked away whistling, Man, what a I mean, especially 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:18.080 an engagement ring? Right, that's mine? You know? What a jerk? No, 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.239 I I agree, and um he got in trouble for it. 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.200 From what I understand, they when the person went back 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:27.240 and said I lost my engagement ring at the target 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.160 helped me. The target said, well, of course, we're gonna 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:32.800 help you. Calm down, Calm down, peace, brother, And they 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:37.400 pulled up their surveillance videos and saw the public defender 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.439 finding the ring and pocketing it, and they put a 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:44.040 warrant out for the public defenders arrest for I think 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:48.200 larceny actually, at the very least for not going to 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:52.200 lengths to find the person whose ring it was. Yeah, 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:57.800 not even links links, pick up a phone or go 0:19:57.880 --> 0:19:59.680 into the target and be like, hey, I need to 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.960 speak to a manager. Well, it's funny, it says. One 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:04.840 of the things that you can and should do if 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:07.119 is like to do that and go like give that 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.800 diamond ring to the manager at target, and like, I 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.160 would never do that if it was something super valuable, 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.680 I wouldn't trust I wouldn't trust them. I would keep 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.000 it under my own control and go to the cops. 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.960 Just walk around with a gun drawn on everybody, like, 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:25.320 get back, get back. I found somebody's diamond ring. Get back. 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:30.040 It's my looking at And you're like, maybe I should 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:31.879 just go ahead and rob someplace. Now I got my 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.399 gun out and I'm protecting this diamond ring. And you 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.840 enter into a life of crime totally inadvertent. It's a 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.800 justice thing again, Like I don't want people should have 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.120 stuff that is rightfully there. It's not like up, well 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.720 I just happened to get lucky today, right who get 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:51.240 rich quick? Like that's what's wrong with this country? Yeah, 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:54.440 And I mean I know you're right about the five 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:58.360 grand in the behind the toaster oven. The diamond ring 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:00.560 is even more cut and dry to me for sure. 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:04.040 But um, that's yeah. This this isn't a parking lot 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:07.840 and it was just lost, you know. Um. So yeah, 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.320 there are certain things that you want to do if 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:15.399 you find lost property that is contemporary, that's obviously lost, 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:18.560 that's obviously new. Um. And one of the first things 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:20.240 you want to do is take it to the cops 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:23.600 and say, here, here's my name and number in case 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.760 somebody doesn't doesn't claim this, but I'm officially giving it 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:29.800 to you the cops for safe keeping, and then probably 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.000 take out an ad in the paper or on Craigslist 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:36.280 or both, and then kick back and wait for the 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:39.480 kudos and the praise for being a hero, yeah, or 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.440 for that thing to be returned to you if no 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:45.159 one claims it. Yep, depending on where you are, I 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:47.200 think it like you said, in the UK, it's something 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:51.080 like a month. In California, it's I saw a twenty days. 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:54.160 I've also seen ninety. Um. Yeah, if you do all 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.320 the right things and follow all the right steps, it 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.760 can be yours, free and clear. Not only free and clear, 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:03.000 You're not going to be arrested, freeing clear where the 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:05.720 person can come back and say, oh, you know I 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:08.879 I that was my ring. If you are a jerk, 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:11.240 you can say no, it's my ring now, and the 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:13.359 cops would be like, it's it's their ring now. They 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:17.120 followed all the right moves. Yeah. They also recommend if 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:21.400 it's something really really valuable, maybe like get an attorney 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:23.920 on on the thing, like maybe one who would find 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:27.320 a diamond ring and not return it right exactly. He's 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:31.640 a public defender too, That's what I don't get. Yeah, yeah, well, 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:34.040 I mean it was like an entertainment attorney. It would 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:37.240 make much more sense, it would, I guess, But a 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:40.320 public defenders like, well, I don't get paid, this is 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:44.200 a really thankless job, and I'm going to do something 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:46.000 for myself for once, and then they ended up in 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:49.080 jail for doing something for themselves and then needed a 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:56.120 public defender. Yes, ironically, should we take a break, Yeah, 0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:58.239 we're gonna take a break, chuck, And then we are 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.080 going to go under the sea. Yeah, where things get 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:28.280 really confusing, all right, So this is where things get 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:35.240 super super convoluted when you're talking about uh, shipwrecks and 0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:43.080 literal treasure from like you know, uh, an ancient galleon, um, 0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:45.160 or maybe not ancient, but let's just say a galleon, 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:50.480 you know it could be yes, we'll say galleons. In 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:53.960