WEBVTT - Episode 5: Fan Films 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:16.560 Welcome to Nerdificent. I'm one half Nerdifficent, your host if 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.239 you wady. Wayne sitting across from me is the other 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:23.760 half of Nerdificent, Danny Fernandez. If we both sound really good? 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:27.600 Oh yeah, no, I feel like you might be a 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.840 little sick. Yeah. No. I woke up and it was 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.239 just like frog throat City and I have had to 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:38.920 talk all day, so I actually like when my voice 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.560 is frog throat City. Yeah, but mine will get into 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.559 smoker ish It'll be like Lindsay Lowen uh. And then 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.279 I love doing my vo auditions that way. So I'm 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:52.080 sure that's great for the cords. Yes, just going through 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:56.120 the whole range. But yeah, no, speaking of range and 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.840 and hitting the ups and bottoms of what we can 0:00:59.880 --> 0:01:03.680 do you as people and fans. Today, we're tackling fan films, 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.280 fan films. Yeah. We're also having our friends come in 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.280 that have made a couple of very popular fan films 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.000 Robot Underdogs, so they will be joining us a little 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.920 bit later. But if you off the top of your head, like, 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:19.280 what are some fan films that you remember? Oh man, 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.160 the fan films, I remember that. I think the latest 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:25.920 one that comes to bind besides the ones Donnie and 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:30.040 Rita did, which is DVZ line of hope. Is the 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.760 one we were talking about just before we got started, 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.160 which was The Power Rangers. It was like dark and 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:38.880 gritty and everyone was like, what, it'd be crazy if 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.520 this was the Power Ranger. And then Power Rangers came 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:43.520 out and there a little semi gritty. I don't want 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:45.560 to say it was dark. It was still I feel 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.720 like it was pretty much Power Rangers. But I feel 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.120 like the excitement for the fan film might have been 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:54.600 ultimately got the green light. I do agree with that, 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:56.560 I think, and we'll get into that, but I think 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.240 a lot of these fan films do help hype up 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:03.120 the actual problem parties themselves and probably also showing the 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:07.200 companies like what could be done and the demand for it. 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:12.560 But getting into what fan films are, so, they're essentially 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:17.079 film or video that's inspired by you know, a comic book, 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:21.880 television program, some type of source like that. It's made 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.720 pretty much by amateurs, I would say, but this can 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:30.359 lead to having professional filmmakers actually working on the project, 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.880 which we'll get into as well. But yeah, so the 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.400 main issue that they kind of run into is because 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:40.880 they are fans they're not the copyright holders, so whether 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.440 they should be allowed to do this, like what actually 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.119 as far as fair use, what they're allowed to do, 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.800 we're going to tackle that to in this episode. Yeah. No, 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:53.320 I think that's very interesting and we'll get more into 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:57.520 that later. But the allowing to do it and just 0:02:57.600 --> 0:02:59.840 kind of the legality of it all. And I feel 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:03.720 like for most people it's pretty kosher because it's tensy, 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:08.760 it's usually free, usually on YouTube, and I think that's 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.240 what makes it so beautiful because it has heard. It's 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.440 not done for profit, it's done just because they're so 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.160 passionate about it. Just like Cosplay, it's like the next 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.600 step up where it's like, Okay, we got a cosplayed down, 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:23.720 but let's actually do our own spinoff. Let's see what 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.280 that's popping. Yeah, But like if we're looking at Cosplay, 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:29.280 when you start making money off of someone else's I 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.560 P and you start selling calendars or things like that, 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.320 which I'm totally four, but a lot of these companies 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.920 and sometimes studios, they will We know of a couple 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.560 that have gotten shut down as far as um fan 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:45.080 films or YouTube videos and stuff for using their trademark 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.960 characters Essentially, I think what happens is when it gets 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:51.800 bigger than they expected it to be, and when it 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:55.760 looks better maybe than the film that they made. When 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:59.680 this amateur filmmaker got their friends together and made a 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:03.400 better film than your studio, it gets a little spicy, 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:07.360 it does. Then there's also stories of it being a 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:11.040 happy ending word now something they get the rights to, 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.640 the actual rights to something and get to create something dope. 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:16.960 But we'll get, like I said, more into that later. 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.960 We'll just start with the history our deep dive, of 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.800 our deep dive, Deep Dive, Deep Dive. Yeah. So the 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:27.560 earliest known fan film is uh Anderson Our Gang, which 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.839 was produced in nineteen actually by a pair of filmmakers. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.000 So Our Gang is essentially the Little Rascals um. It 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:38.520 was shot in Anderson, South Carolina, and Uh it was 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.719 a short that was based off of Our Gang, and 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.600 the only known copy resides in the University of South 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:47.680 Carolina's News Film Library. Nice and it seems like the 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:51.159 technology required to make fan films was the limited factor, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.400 which makes sense because I feel like we saw boom 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:58.719 in fan films in the YouTube age because of specifically 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.919 access when YouTube came around, it was the growth of 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:06.520 the access of being able to produce video yourself. You know, 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.160 back in the day you have to have like the 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:12.200 family cam that on your shoulder, and then the camera 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.640 started getting smaller and more acces until it was like 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.640 a handheld but also like who was seeing it? Just 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:21.080 your family, whereas now with YouTube you were able to 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.120 have a larger audience and mainly of the same fandom 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:28.960 to make it more popular. So going back further after 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.360 our gang um in the nineteen sixties U. C. L. 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.799 A film student, Don Glutt filmed a series of short, 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:40.640 black and white underground films that were essentially based on 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:44.760 adventure and comic book characters like Superman, the Spirit and Batman. 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:49.760 And his final amateur film was nineteen sixty nine spider Man, 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.160 and then he moved on so he was a success story. 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:57.320 So because of the level of popularity of his films, 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.680 he actually moved into professional work full time. He went 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:02.919 on to write for a ton of kids shows, Land 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:07.040 of the Loss, Transformers, Duck Tails, Spiderman and his Amazing Friends, 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.599 g I, Joe, Real American here out Do you remember 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:13.120 that I was just looking at Oh gosh, if you 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:14.600 have to show you the p S A S from 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.600 g I Joe. They're so good. Oh yeah, I remember 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.320 the more you know. Yeah, and then somebody did a 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.679 parody of them. That are how I could not stop 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:26.120 laughing this weekend watching them. But then okay, So Glut 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.159 also went on to write for d C and Marvel Comics. Again, 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.400 this was a fan who had made fan films and 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.520 then went on to write for those properties. And he 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:39.560 also did the Empire Strikes Back novel that was based 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:42.200 on the film. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because I feel 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:46.080 like back then it probably was way easier to get 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:50.320 a Spiderman or Batman film than it is now. Now 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.840 now it's a big undertaking. It's if you get a 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:57.680 superhero film, your name is, it's like who is that guy? 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:02.320 Back then it was like, oh yeah, sure Spiderman, I 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.040 see what you mean. Yeah. Yeah. As far as popularity, 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.679 if you do want to go back and watch all 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:12.280 forty one of Glett's amateur films, there's a DVD set 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.560 called I Was a Teenage Movie Maker, which I think 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.320 is so cool, and you can go back and watch 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:20.840 all these old films that he did. That's tight. And 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.800 then in nineteen sixty four, any Warhol produced a film 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.640 called Batman Dracula, which could be described as a fan film. 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:31.120 It was like his homage to Batman, accept completely without 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.160 dcent comments permissions in Andy Warhol, do you think like 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.800 I wonder? Yeah, yeah, he did it completely without their permission, 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:43.400 and it was considered to be the first film that 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:48.800 was featuring a blatantly campy Batman. Yeah back then, but yeah, 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.320 you can actually still catch it. We'll try and leave 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:53.920 in our footnotes on our site. We'll try and leave 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:55.800 a lot of the YouTube links where you can watch 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.360 some of these. Oh yeah, definitely check it out and 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.800 let us know what you think. But then, it wasn't 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:04.760 until the nineteen seventies that the popularization of science fiction conventions, 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.920 uh you know, like we talked about in our Comic 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:11.520 Kind episode. It allowed fans to show their films to 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:15.600 a wider fan community, which is great because before it 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.000 was just you and your friends. You watch it, and 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.240 I feel like when you see other people do things 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:25.080 is when it really catches fire. So I can only 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:29.160 imagine sitting down in a theater at a convention and 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.080 see someone do a fan film to be like nudging 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.600 my buddy and just yo, we gotta get on that. Yeah. Also, 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:37.840 you can like live out all of your fan fiction. 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.040 You know, it's basically like your fan fiction come to life. 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.920 Like whatever characters that you wanted to see battle each other, 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:47.760 you finally get to have that Danny storylines that you want. What. Well, 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.040 since we haven't done a fan fiction episode, why don't 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:54.320 you break down what fiction? Fan Fiction is something I'm 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.920 very familiar with someone that it wrote it when I 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.800 was a teenager and kind of still read here and there. 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:07.000 But fan fiction is essentially fiction that is written by fans. 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:12.280 It is stories about characters that are written. So Harry 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:16.480 Potter fan fiction essentially would be stories about or mine 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:21.240 E and you know, Harry Potter and um, their romantic 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.960 life or their daily life or whatever you want to 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.640 write about. But it's essentially these stories that are written 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.520 short stories, and some of them are actually have like 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.760 fifty chapters. I have read fan fiction that has like 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.680 fifty chapters long. Um. But there are fan fiction sites. 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.840 One of the most popular ones the last couple of 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.280 decades that I used to play around on was fan 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.160 fiction dot Net. So if you ever want to read 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.080 you you can find anything anything that you're into. If 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.840 you're into Star Trek, if you're into sailor Moon, whatever, 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.160 it will be on there. But yeah, it's essentially stories 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.480 that are written by fans and they're damn good. There 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.400 are some that are really good and those people should 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.720 be getting paid for them. But yeah, I used to 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.440 read a lot of anime fan fiction and I would 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:07.520 write some of it. So yeah, it's basically the text 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.960 version of this. Yeah, it's basically the text version of 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.480 a fan film. Um and where you're able to kind 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.959 of live out these these storylines that you have always 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:21.679 wanted to see. Oh yeah, back to fan films. Now, 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.320 there's a ton of fan films. You know, you have 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.120 Star Wars, Star Trek, Buffy the vampires Layer, Doctor Who, 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:30.000 anime fan films. Uh, you know, once again plug in 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.480 light of hope from our guests who you will here 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:36.120 later in the episode. But because fan films generally utilize 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.840 characters and storylines copyright and trademarked by the original filmmakers, 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:44.200 they are rarely distributed commercially for legal reasons. But like 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:48.199 I said, you can just type fan film into YouTube 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:51.199 and you'll have a plethora of things to play with. 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.520 Because we now live in an age where not only 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.760 it's filmmaking accessible, but so is special effects. You know, 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:04.319 even on vines and Twitter videos you're seeing some wild 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:08.000 stuff and Instagram too. Yeah, on all the social media, 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:09.720 I feel like you can see a lot of people 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.080 and like you were saying, with special effects, which to 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.880 plug our friends again, who did dbz liaut of hope. 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.240 I know that they had a lot of I think 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.400 even in the first year that they started to the 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.400 more recent years that they actually were able to utilize 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:29.320 more technology in their film. Yeah. Yeah. So filmmaker Sandy Cholera, 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:33.400 he actually gained a lot of notoriety in the early 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:36.400 two thousands for a series of fan films he produced 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:40.000 featuring Batman and Superman. But I think his most famous 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.520 ones were Batman. It was dead End, uh and that 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.720 premiered at San Diego Comic Con in two thousand and three, 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.920 but World's Finest, his other fan film was actually prevented 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.520 from showing in two thousand and four due to copyright 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.520 claims from Warner Brothers. So he essentially so dead End 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.520 was before Nolan's Batman trilogy, and it showed audience this 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:04.680 like gritty comic book style, dark night film and you 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:10.640 can only possibly wonder that that probably excited audiences. I 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.520 don't want to say that it necessarily influenced Nolan. I 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:17.079 mean it might have, but it probably got people hyped 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.679 about seeing that type of Batman. And it's very interesting 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:25.559 to see that Warner Brothers block to free screening because 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:30.040 I don't necessarily think it was besides any power outside 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.360 of their connection with San Diego Comic com Like, I 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.280 don't think they hit him with a C CND or something. 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.559 I think it was as simple as Warner Brothers being like, 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:41.360 they can't show that, and we're Warner Brothers and you 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.240 better make sure they don't show it. Yeah. I wonder 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:49.520 when Nolan was originally in talks, like what if it 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:53.160 was at the same time, you know what I mean, Like, 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:56.920 I wonder if that could have influenced because they were 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.480 preparing to have Batman begins. I don't know, I don't know. 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.920 But moving on, there's also Star Trek New Voyages that 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.280 was a fan production, but it's another successful one where 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:12.160 it attracted support from so many people as well as 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.640 crew and cast members. That's another thing that we're seeing 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:19.120 is a lot of times either voice actors or actors 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:23.080 of the actual series or films. They love seeing these 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:26.720 fan films and when they get involved then it ends 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:30.199 up being greenlit. So Star Trek new Voyages was one 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.240 of those. Another one was the Lord of the Rings 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.240 fan films Born of Hope and The Hunt for Golem 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.000 and those debuted at Ring Con. If we didn't even 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.240 talk about Ring Con in our comic con, I don't 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.120 even know that that existed either. That's the first time 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.400 I love that. So now there's I love this specific 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.960 ones because there's one coming up called a Con and 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:55.199 then there's Ring Con and um Star Wars Celebration. Yeah. 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.760 But to answer your question, by the way, so Warner 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:01.360 Brothers hired No. One in January area of two thousand three, 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.640 So look this came out in two thousand three. Yeah, 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:07.200 so two thousand four was when they're like, we're not 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.320 letting that happen again, especially because if they hired them 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.800 in two thousand three, that year is probably when the 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:18.400 buzzing talk started happening. The movie dropped in two thousand five. Yeah, 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.440 that could have been it. Even though a lot of 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:24.240 people do see it as like free promotion or publicity, 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:29.320 my thing might be it could possibly be because now 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.240 fans have in their head how they want it to be. 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:36.440 Maybe that's it. Maybe when they see this story, that's 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.280 what they want and think that this new film is 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.480 going to be. And so maybe that's why it got 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.360 to definitely see that. So another one is the Legend 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:48.280 of Zelda, which is a very popular video game, and 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.640 they had a fan film called The Hero of Time 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:55.880 uh and that was also had a huge following. The 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.640 movie premiered in Atlanta in two thousand and nine and 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.520 online in number of two thousand and nine, only to 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:06.640 be shut down by Nintendo on January. Nintendo is very litigious. 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:10.680 They are very, very very protective of their rights, so 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.360 that was coming from a mile away. I think even 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:18.920 the Hero of Time crew knew any Pokemon like fan 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:22.920 made game because there's a yeah, there's a unity of 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:27.360 Pokemon fan made games. They get shut down almost instantaneously 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:32.600 because Nintendo is that litigious. So yeah, that was definitely 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.400 gonna happen. It's such a weird and when we bring 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:37.320 Donnie and read on, you know, this is something I 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.320 want to talk to them about because it is such 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:43.240 a weird line and balance that you have to have 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:47.160 is like, these are fans these are amateur fans that 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:51.160 are making something. But then, like we said, it gains 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.000 traction and a lot of times, like people think this 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:57.480 is harmless, but no, they'll get shut down. Well, because 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:00.200 there is a level you get when you are to 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.920 grain momentum and popularity that does in a way start 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:07.800 to infringe upon the rights for the creators, because, like 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.920 you were saying earlier, sometimes fans make a film that 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:16.800 the community will enjoy better than an actual copyrighted material, 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:20.640 and they will use that as a scapegoat as to 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.800 why it was unsuccessful. Instead of being like, oh, we 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:25.840 didn't make the movie as good as it could be, 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:27.920 it was like, well, people really like this version and 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:29.960 they had an idea of what it should look like 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.960 based off of this fan made thing, so it ruined 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:36.000 our chances, which in a way could be kind of true, 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:40.040 but lots of times it's mostly from the idea of oh, 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.360 this is how good it can be. Yeah, yeah, uh. 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.920 For those of you that don't know, uh, there was 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:50.360 a live action dragon ball Z film, which, if you 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.000 don't know, dragon ball Z is a very very popular anime. 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.520 There was a live action dragon ball Z film. I 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:57.160 can't even remember the name. Of it if he was 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:03.280 the name of that which one, Oh, Evolution, Dragonball, Evolution, Revolution, Evolution. 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.760 I don't even This is how much I don't care 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:09.240 about that film, and it's my favorite anime. So anyways, 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:13.119 that film was made by Fox and then Donnie and 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:17.320 ritat at Robot Underdog, who are coming on. They made 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.040 their own fan film, and you should see the amount 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.919 of comments that were like, this is what it should 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.240 have been like and these are you know, amateur filmmakers 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.159 as opposed to an actual studio. Uh, and so a 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:33.600 lot of fans kind of kind of grasp onto that instead. Well, yeah, 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.800 because it's funny because I feel like when you have 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:40.280 a fan film, it's being created by people passionate about 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.720 the source material, so it'll follow it more closely, it'll 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:48.280 take less risks and try and be true to the source, 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:53.280 versus a Hollywood one which wants to always. I feel 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:56.040 like the problem with a lot of nerd properties that 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:59.560 Hollywood tries to tackle that only recently has been broken 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:04.240 was the it's basically like the habit of trying to 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:08.000 approach the source material and go, let's make this realistic 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.919 and or for everyone that all the time for a 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:16.879 big audience, and it's what's happened on a larger scale 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:21.240 to Hollywood, where people are afraid to take creative risks 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.119 because they would much rather try and make something palatable. 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:29.440 But lots of times, the best piece of creative material 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.480 is one that makes a choice. And when you're trying 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.480 to make it for everyone, you're not making a choice. 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:39.040 You're actually watering down the choice is made. I think also, 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:40.879 when you're trying to make it for everyone, you piss 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.840 off the fans. I understand that you your market is 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.320 not just the fans. Your movie is not going to 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:48.520 be successful then if it were just Even when you 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.919 look at um like the latest run of Marvel films, 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.159 I feel like they're not just made in y C. 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:57.720 But I feel like they're not specifically just made Like 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:00.280 when they made Wonder Woman, they didn't just make get 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:03.200 for comic book readers of Wonder Woman, like they tried 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.960 to appeal to a much larger audience, which they got. Well. 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:09.120 I feel like with the smart way they did that. 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.360 And here's in first my take on that. My take 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.320 on that is when people do that, when they're like 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:17.240 we're trying to make for everyone, they're just being greedy 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.320 because the reason you bought that the rights to that, 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:22.760 the only reason is because you feel the fan base 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:27.200 is big enough to support that the thing you're creating, 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.040 that's why you bought it. So now that you bought it, 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:31.880 you're trying to be greedy. And I was like, how 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.440 do I get more people on top of this instead 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.879 of just making it the best and hoping people follow. Now, 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:41.240 what I feel like movies like Wonder Woman and Black 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:46.359 pant did was they took the source material and looked 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:50.639 at it's actual the Venn diagram of its actual source material. 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.720 They didn't look at outside reasons it can be better. 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:56.720 They looked at what they had and why it's good. 0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:00.320 Wonder Woman is good even as a comic book because 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:04.399 if you are a woman, it's very empowering as a woman. 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.359 You can read Wonder Woman. It's empowering as a comic book. 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.000 It's good for everyone. So they took that and really 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.639 blew that out. So they're like, let's make a movie 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.400 that the comic book fans will see, but women will 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.960 really enjoy because this is a comic book on its 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.960 own strength is empowering for women. So it's it's that's 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.720 a smart move to look for ways for that, and 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.040 I feel like Black Panther did the same thing, same 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.600 VENN diagram. This comic book is a good comic book 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.439 character for comic book fans, but if you're a black person, 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:37.320 this is good. So how do we make this movie 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.919 a good movie for all black people even if you 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.600 don't like comic books, because that's what I saw a 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:46.000 lot of tweets of was like, I'm not even into comics. Yeah, 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:49.320 and I absolutely love this film. It's it's real funny 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:51.720 listening to the read when they talk about it because 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:54.000 Kid furies like a real big comic book fan and 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.560 Crystal does not care for it. So it's interesting to 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.359 hear both sides in one take. And it is and 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:02.840 it goes even bigger that you don't even have to 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.000 be black, because the fact of the matter is if 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:10.159 you make a good product for a marginalized group, a 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:14.280 minority group, if it's good enough, everyone's gonna still like it. 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:16.920 But that doesn't take away the fact that that's who 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:19.760 was made right. Yes, I agree, And I also feel 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:22.040 like it's so interesting when people are like, oh, I 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:25.520 really related to this, It was like, yeah, you know, 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:31.520 people of color do also have a similar stories and issues. 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:37.320 Yeah weird, weird. Oh you have a little kid's sister. Weird. Um. Anyways, 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:40.560 so I agree, But I do remember that when Wonder 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:42.399 Woman came out, there were a lot of women that 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:44.800 were like, I'm not and this isn't stereotyping anything. I 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:48.240 read a ton of comics, but I had a lot 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:50.280 of friends of mine that said, you know, I don't 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:53.160 read comics, and I'm very into it. It was also 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:57.439 a good war film. Yeah it had all the nice sides. 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.359 But we've been dancing around it. But let's full jump 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:05.040 into the legal stuff. So a fun thing is Canada's 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:10.120 Copyright Monertization Act explicitly added an exemption which allows non 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:13.320 commercial creation of fan film material in two thousand twelve. 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:18.439 That is, man, that's so cool because that really is 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:22.639 a modernization of your copyright Act because it's taking into 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:26.800 account a trimd that is happening and protecting people who's 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:28.680 doing those trends because at the end of the day, yeah, 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:30.359 they're not trying to make money. They're just trying to 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:33.159 make a fun thing that they can share with the 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:35.679 fan base and there's no harm in that. And like 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:39.280 you were, saying it does create buzz for it and 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:42.720 lots of times. Another thing that's being said on light 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:45.800 of hope is like, man, this gets me excited to 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:50.600