1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Welcome in What's Right with Nick Wrighten. This episode of 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: What rpen Nick Grit is presented to you by boost Mobile. 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: Of this episode three forty nine, I am back after 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: a whirlwind thirty six hours in Las Vegas, where I 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: got to be a part of what, in many ways 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: is arguably the most historic and unbelievable World Series of 7 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: Poker Main Event Final table ever, with one of the 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: greatest champion stories in Michael the Grinder Msrocky winning the 9 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: World Series of Poker Main Event in the same year 10 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: he won his fourth Poker Players Championship and just getting 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: snap inducted into the Hall of Fame. And on that note, 12 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: so here's the deal. Because I was debating, I was like, 13 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: there's so much to talk about with the poker stuff, 14 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: and I know that some of you guys are super 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: into it and some of you guys are not, but 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: they're It was really it would have been really cool 17 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: to be involved in any World Series of Poker Main Event, 18 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: But as it happened, as it turned out, if I 19 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: could have picked any of the last twenty years as 20 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: far as interesting, amazing storylines, historic, all of it, the 21 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: number one draft pick is the one that wrapped yesterday 22 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: and I was there and a part of it. It 23 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: was truly unreal. So I want to give that event 24 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: its own show. And so and demon's good to see you. 25 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: We for the second time ever, and I'm not gonna 26 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: say who it's going to be, but for the second 27 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: time ever, we are going to have a guest on 28 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: the show. And I've decided that the our standard because 29 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,279 Speaker 1: we had low Wayne on early on and Low Wayne 30 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: is certainly in the argument for greatest ever at what 31 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: he does, or greatest living at what he does. So 32 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: I think, at least for the time being, because the 33 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: person we're having on tomorrow is in the argument for 34 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: greatest living and or greatest ever at two different fields, 35 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: at two different things. And so he will join us 36 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: live from Las Vegas tomorrow. If you are a big 37 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: poker fan, you probably have and you can put in 38 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 1: the comments who you're guessing it is. There's really only 39 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: one person who fits that bill that might be the goat, 40 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: not just in card playing but in something else as well. 41 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: That person will join us for a full world series, 42 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: and here's a hint on who it might be. Also, 43 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: a little Pacquiao fight preview, as I believe this person 44 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: is also in the discussion for world's pre eminent boxing expert. 45 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: He joins us tomorrow, so we will do a full 46 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: world series recap, storylines discussion with our second ever guest 47 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: on What's Right, and again, I part of the reason 48 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: I'm not saying who it is is to keep up 49 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: the suspense. The other part of the reason is because 50 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: his commitment on when I was like, hey, let's do 51 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: it tomorrow, it felt like a loose commitment, and I 52 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: am now making it a hard commitment. But one of 53 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,839 Speaker 1: the goats, if not the goat, will join us tomorrow 54 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: on What's Right with the right breakdown the World Series 55 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: of Poker and talk a little boxing in the meantime. 56 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: How are you I'm doing pretty good, Pops. How are 57 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: you doing? 58 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: I'm doing well. I don't know if Demonzi's MIC's a 59 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: little low, at least in my ear it is, so 60 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: if we can boost that up a bit, speaking of 61 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: boost streight to voicemail brought to you by boost Mobile. 62 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: Speaking of Lowayne loll Wayne, one of our guests, he's 63 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: gonna walk out with dust employe. Pardon me, poier Son. 64 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I am so frustrated that I 65 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: have mispronounced Poorier's name three times now. I did it 66 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: one of our ad reads once and it's not a 67 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: tricky pronunciation, but I got in my head once I 68 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: mispronounced it, no pouriet. See the back end of it 69 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: is what's supposed to be tricky because it's French. No 70 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: Ea pourier. But I'm screwing up the front end because 71 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the back in my apologies, Caitlin Clark. 72 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: This is now concerning the amount of lower body you know, 73 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: dings and issues she's had this year. Injury prone. I'm 74 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: not ready to put that label on it yet, but 75 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: I am ready to say this year might be derailing 76 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: due to injury. And I think that's a concern for 77 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: her and obviously for the fever, and a little bit 78 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: for the league. And then also they're you know, missed 79 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: the cut, Noah Essenay, just getting absolutely posterized and then 80 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: being getting the mean treatment and all of that. I mean, 81 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: just it's the face is what really just kills it. 82 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: And uh, this is for really what I'm about to 83 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,559 Speaker 1: say here is really just for the first thing's first 84 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: production room that is watching this pod live right now. 85 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: Kind of looks a little bit like elite producer Ramsey. 86 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: Just a touch, just just just a touch, especially when 87 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: Ramsey Ramsey sometimes has the braids to like that. Like, 88 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: I'm just saying just a little bit, all right, demanse, 89 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: let's get to the show a few minutes and go ahead. 90 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: So the yearly top tens have come out of off. 91 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: We've got the quarterbacks. So executive coaches and scouts all 92 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 2: vote on this. Patrick Mahomes, your guy was at number one. 93 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: Weirdly enough, Jalen Hurts was number nine. Nick sirian Who's 94 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: asked about this and if Philly carried Jalen Hurts to 95 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl? Sirianni called bs, So what is this? 96 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: Is this disrespectful? Obviously Hurts has two Super Bowl appearances 97 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: in the last three years. It's thirty seven to ten 98 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 2: in the last three seasons. What's what's going on with that? 99 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: Justin Hurts? So I do think it's Yeah, So I 100 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: do think it's disrespectful. And I think that people have 101 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: to be willing to move their opinion based on things 102 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: that happen after you have formed your opinion, Like it 103 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: is totally fine, and this is maybe self serving of 104 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: me to say, because I'm gonna describe kind of my 105 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: opinion evolution on Jalen Hurts. I think it is totally 106 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:06,239 Speaker 1: fine to be like, Listen, there were times last season 107 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: that I thought the weak link of the Philadelphia Eagles 108 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: offense was their quarterback. That and that can be. That 109 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: was actually the exact, that exact opinion of mine. It 110 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: was the subject of the animated more than a little 111 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: awkward conversation I had the night before the Super Bowl 112 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: with or two nights for the Super Bowl, one of 113 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: them with Jalen's mother, when she confronted probably too strong, 114 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: approached me and I at first didn't If you guys 115 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: didn't hear the story. We were at a super Bowl party. 116 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm standing there. A woman walks up and she's like, 117 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: to ask you a question. I said yeah, and she 118 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: was like, why do you talk so bad about Jalen Hurts. 119 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: And then I'm like, well, I don't know that I 120 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: talk bad about him, and we and she's like, no, 121 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: you do, and then you know, I give my defense 122 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: of my takes. She comes back, and then about six 123 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: seven minutes into it, I say, miss may I may 124 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: I ask you a question? And she said yes, I said, 125 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: are you Jalen's mother? And she said yes, And I 126 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: was like, oh boy, we're in a We're in a 127 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: trickier spot than I had thought. And one of the 128 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: things that I said to her, I was like, listen, 129 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: I just I want you to know the things I 130 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: have said and the things I haven't said, right for 131 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: good or for bad. I was like, and something I 132 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: have said that I'm sure you would think is totally unfair. 133 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: As I did call him the weak link of the 134 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: Philly offense. I was like, now, contextually, you should know 135 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: I did say that within the framework of they have 136 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: a top three offensive line, a top three receiving corps, 137 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: and a top one but top three running back. So 138 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: if he just simply is not a top three quarterback 139 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: in that framework, he would be the weak link because 140 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: everyone else is. But it so it wasn't that was 141 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: going the weak link of a bad team. However, I 142 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: was saying last year that I thought they were going 143 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: to get into spot demons when they had to throw 144 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: the football and they weren't going to be able to 145 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: throw the football like those That was and so that 146 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: and I would have last year had Jalen Hurts pretty 147 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: firmly outside of my quarterback top ten. I absolutely would have. 148 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: I don't think it is at all contradictory to then say, 149 00:09:54,880 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: but then I watched the NFC Championship Game and the 150 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and his performance in those two games by 151 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: itself made me totally reevaluate, and his consistent ability to 152 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: play his best in the biggest sponse, which is the 153 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: most valuable trait a quarterback can have, made me reevaluate. 154 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: Like and so, I think people far too often get 155 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: tied and married to their prior opinions. Coward's the best 156 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: at not doing this. And you know, shamelessly is the 157 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: wrong word, but almost like he he will have a adamant, strong, 158 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: vociferous opinion and a week later be like, change my mind, 159 00:10:59,280 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: like and. 160 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: So information right, And that's what he says. 161 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: He's like, I got new information and so, and I 162 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: think that. So again, we've got to be careful about 163 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: what we've said and whether so if I said and 164 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: I did not, but if someone has said I'm telling 165 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: you this player will never be a top five quarterback, 166 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: then it is a little tougher. You can still come 167 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: back and be like, I was wrong, you know, but 168 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: it's it's a little tougher. I don't think people at 169 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: this point are fairly evaluating Jalen Hurts based on his 170 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: ability to play his best in the biggest spots, and 171 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: I think that that should whatever credit that people want 172 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: to take away from him, I think fairly because he 173 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: is not a guy that over the course of a season, 174 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: if you built the offense around Jalen hurts passing game, 175 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: I don't think you'd have an elite offense, I think, 176 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: and I do think that's fair to ding him for. 177 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: I don't think that the negative credit he gets for that, 178 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,599 Speaker 1: what I believe is a fact, should outweigh the positive 179 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: credit for the fact that we've seen him now on 180 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: two deep playoff runs, and you can't point to a 181 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: single game on those two deep playoff runs where you're like, Ah, 182 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: Hurts wasn't good enough for them to win. Hurts didn't 183 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: do enough, like you just can't. And he had to 184 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: go two years ago toe to toe with Patrick in 185 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. He had the one fumble, which is 186 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: why I thought Patrick outplayed him. But still he played 187 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: an a minus level game. The offense scored thirty five points, 188 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: he accounted for four touchdowns and then last year he 189 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: had to go toe to toe with Jade and Daniels 190 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: in a playoff game when Daniels was the hottest quarterback 191 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: in the league. Phillies offense scores fifty five points. And 192 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: then in the Super Bowl he has the fourth and 193 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: five pass down the sideline. He wait, I think it's 194 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game. He had the fourth and five 195 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: pass down the sideline. The Super Bowl was the kill 196 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: shot start of the second half. He was great and 197 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: so go ahead, Pats. 198 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: So where would you have him? Like you because you 199 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 2: said you had him still the outside of the top 200 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: ten last year. With the information that you have, now, 201 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: where would you have him? 202 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: So I have a I've developed a new opinion on 203 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: how we have to rank the quarterbacks. I don't think 204 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: that it is fair anymore to say it's a big 205 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: four and then we can debate after that that because 206 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: so here's to me where I'm at going into and 207 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: it can obviously change when a new season comes, like 208 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: the new season has to matter. I believe the top 209 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: three has to be in this order. Patrick Josh Lamar. 210 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: I think that is the only because what is the 211 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: knock on Lamar? And at this point, there's only one left. 212 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: He does not play his best in the postseason, and 213 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna harp on that. I think that is. 214 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: You know, two years ago, folks were mad at me. 215 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: I was making too big of a deal of it. 216 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: Last year, folks were annoyed with me. I was making 217 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: too big of a deal with it going into this year, folks, 218 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: But grudgingly without saying it's like, okay, yeah, Nick Klock 219 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: this the whole time that it was, and. 220 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: He showed something different. I was just about to say 221 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: Lamar didn't play badly. Though Lamar played pretty well. He 222 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: might have had a rough first half, but. 223 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean rough first have to cost in 224 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: the game. But it was still I mean, you're right, 225 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't as bad as some of the 226 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: other But again, this is what I'm what I'm about 227 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: to say here is actually a defensive Lamar. The point 228 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: I'm making is this, Demonse, I do not think it 229 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: is fair to penalize Lamar so much for bad playoff 230 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: performances that he drops beneath the player who has not 231 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: been in the playoffs the last two years and Joe Burrow, like, 232 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: for all we know Joe Cool had his Emperor has 233 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: no clothes moment with the playoff loss to Patrick Mahomes, 234 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: and from now on in the playoffs, Burrow is just 235 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: gonna be a shaking shell of himselself. But we haven't 236 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: seen it because he hasn't been in the playoffs since then. Now, 237 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: to be clear, I think the odds of that are 238 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: almost zero percent that Burrow all of a sudden is 239 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: gonna freak out in the playoffs. My point is you 240 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: can't say Lamar playing poorly in the playoffs is worse 241 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: than a guy not even getting to the playoffs. You 242 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: just can't. And one of the other reasons that two 243 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: years ago I had Burrow ahead of Lamar firmly was 244 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: Lamar's injury risk. Lamar the last two years, aside from 245 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: his annual bout with the flu, Lamar has been incredibly 246 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,479 Speaker 1: durable and Joe's miss time have been banged up, So 247 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: I think it has to and the I don't think 248 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: I need to defend Mahomes being number one, But the 249 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: argument against him is he hasn't had the go the 250 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: last two years. Gaudy regular season numbers. The problem is 251 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: anyone you want to put up against him, He then 252 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: has played in the playoffs and thoroughly outplayed and beat them. 253 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: So it's not just his team is one. He has 254 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: played better than Josh in both the playoff games the 255 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: last two years. He has played better than Lamar. He 256 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: has so it's just not it's Mahomes has to be won. 257 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: I think Josh right now, do you demand say you're 258 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: the Lamar guy. Do you think it's fair to have 259 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: Josh two? Yeah, yeah, I think it's fair like that. 260 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 2: I think it's pretty close. But yeah, then Lamar after its. 261 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: And then Lamar three play right and last you know, 262 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: Josh one MVP Lamark could have Josh. You know the 263 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: So I that's where. So here's my point and the 264 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: reason I said all of that. I think it is 265 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: fair if somebody says Joe Burrow's four, by the way, 266 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: I probably agree with him for the record. But if 267 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: somebody says Demons Jalen Hurts is four, and what you're 268 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: losing in the prolific stats Joe Burrow gives you, you're 269 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: adding in toughness, availability, the push, push, and huge playoff moments. 270 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: And Joe's biggest accomplishment ever is being one and one 271 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: against Patrick in AFC championship games and Jalen's one and 272 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: one against Patrick in Super Bowls. So the point I'm 273 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: trying to make is when you say it's a Big four, 274 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: you're saying you can't argue anyone outside of that top 275 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: four is better than anyone in it. And I don't 276 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: think you can make a credible argument, even with all 277 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: the flowers I've given to Jalen Hurts right now, that 278 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: Jalen's better than Lamar, Josh or Patrick. I do think 279 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: you can make an argument over Joe, and I love Joe, 280 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: but he's he starts here slowly. He does have now 281 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: Jalen has this as well, obviously embarrassment of riches on 282 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: the outside catching the ball. And I do think that 283 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: there is a he probably has. The Fact that Josh, 284 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: Patrick and Lamar are three of the most dynamic and 285 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: successful rushing threats the position has ever seen has to count. 286 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: And people might say Nick Patrick's not in that class, 287 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: not in the regular season, but if you look at 288 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: quarterback career yards per carry, playoff yard rushing yards, playoff 289 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns, if you remove Neil Downs, Patrick's right there, 290 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: and he's had iconic you know, so that he's kind 291 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: of more choose yeah, say it again. 292 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: He's more tactical with when he chooses yes well. 293 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: And I just don't. He's not as fast as you are, 294 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: and he's not as bruising and big as Josh, so 295 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: he has to be more. So if you're here, is 296 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: what my rankings would look like. If I were doing 297 00:20:53,400 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: I would go one Patrick two, Josh three, Lamar four, 298 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: Joe five, Stafford six, Jalen Hurts seven, with an asterisk 299 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: of it's probably too early, but I give it to him. 300 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels eight, Baker. And then it gets trickier. 301 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 2: Did you say golf already? Did you say golf? You 302 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 2: didn't say golf. 303 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: I didn't say golf, and I didn't say Herbert. And 304 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: this is now where we will do the Justin Herbert 305 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: part of the conversation, because that's what really christ galling 306 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: to you. Was Justin Herbert ahead of Jalen Hurts. Correct, Yeah, 307 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: what has he done? The answers nothing? I mean, the 308 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: answer is nothing, and it is yes. Right. So Justin 309 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: Herbert was the same high school class Demanse as Nicky Bosa. 310 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: He was the same draft class as Justin Jefferson Ceedee 311 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: Lamb and Joe Burrow. And the reason I say those 312 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: things is because we don't look at any of those 313 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: other players as like, well, once they reached their potential, 314 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: you know, those guys were like, oh, those are second 315 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: contract veterans that you know, they are who they are. 316 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: And it is. 317 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: Keep making a seem like Justin Herber is about to 318 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 2: pop out, is right? And by the way, maybe. 319 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: And I want to make this clear, he might. He 320 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: might be on the precipice of putting it all together. 321 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: I'm not because he is very talented, he's huge. He's 322 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: actually a better athlete than his previous coaches prior to 323 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: Harball gave him credit for it because he can Ronnie 324 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: ran it Oregon. There's a lot to like about Justin Herbert, 325 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: But five years in correct, five years into your career, 326 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: you have to be evaluated on your career like that's 327 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: the and Justin Herbert it is. And this is where 328 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: having him ahead of Jalen Hurts is to me, really 329 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: really unfair. Jalen Hurts has repeatedly played his best in 330 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: the biggest spots, and Justin Herbert has repeatedly played his 331 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: worst in the biggest spots. And people will say, Nick, 332 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,719 Speaker 1: a lot of what you're talking about here is quarterback wins. 333 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: It is not. And I want to get on the 334 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: record about this. By the way, they're people need to 335 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: be discerning enough to recognize that. For many of us. 336 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: I'll talk for myself, I am. The pushback on quarterback 337 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: wins is it should not be binary. Did they win, 338 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: then the you know, quarterback gets an a. Did they 339 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: lose then the quarterback didn't do enough? It should not 340 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: be like that. You should be able to be discerning 341 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: enough to say, how well did that player play within 342 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: that game? And you know, did the team win despite him? 343 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,239 Speaker 1: Did they lose despite him being excellent? Like and so 344 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: it if Jalen hurts, if they had if he hadn't 345 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: played awesome in that Super Bowl and that NFC Championship game, 346 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: but they had just won, then it feels a little 347 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: different than the fact that they won and he played great. Right, 348 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: So when I talk about Mahomes, I don't if you 349 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: guys notice it because Mahomes hasn't had the regular season 350 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: numbers the last couple of years. I don't say just 351 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: say he beat Josh and Lamar in the playoffs. I 352 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: say he out played and beat. He had the better 353 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 1: individual performance as well, which brings me to Herbert. Herbert 354 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: has played two actual playoff games and one playoff adjacent game. 355 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: The playoff adjacent game was the Week eighteen winning your 356 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: in tie and you're in losing your out game against 357 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: the Raiders three years ago. Okay, justin Herbert in that game. 358 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: Now you see at three hundred and eighty yards, he 359 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: threw the ball sixty four times, completed fifty three percent 360 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: of his passes, had a passer rating of eighty six 361 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: yards per attempt. They lost, So they lost and he 362 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: didn't play great. Then the next year in the playoffs, 363 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: they are up twenty seven points on the Jacksonville Jaguars. 364 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: It is one of the biggest collapses in NFL history. 365 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: He has one touchdown, no picks, and eighty five rating, 366 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: completes fifty eight percent of his passes, and critically doesn't 367 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: make a single big play in the second half when 368 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: they only needed one. And then last year plays quite 369 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: simply one of the worst playoff games any alleged star 370 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: quarterback has ever played in the history of the league. 371 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: He walked in and so that's that is where the 372 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: Herbert he had three interceptions all year, he had four 373 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: in the playoff game. He completed forty four percent of 374 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: his passes. He had a passer rating of forty and 375 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: that was So this is where and then I'll end it. 376 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: I think the jail and Justin Herbert thing is most 377 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:43,719 Speaker 1: galling at the ranking Justin Herbert. Last year, Demonse was 378 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: asked for that Chargers team to be Jalen Hurts of 379 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Take care of the ball, make a 380 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: couple big plays. We have the number one defense in 381 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 1: full ball. We have a running game, just you know 382 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: what I mean. And then if we need you down 383 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: the road, hopefully you can do it. And he just 384 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 1: threw pick after pick after pick. They had the number 385 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: one defense in the NFL all year long. He had 386 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, people were like, oh, he's sacrificing his own 387 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: personal numbers, you know, to take care of the ball 388 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: and for the sake of the team. And then in 389 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: the playoffs was brutal. So you cannot have a guy 390 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: who's zero to two with a sixty career playoff passer rating, 391 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: who for his the has had zero you know, Oh 392 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: my god, high high pressure. Well I shouldn't say y 393 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: pressure but doesn't have you know, the old coward thing 394 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: about Tatum. Close your eyes and what do you see? Like, 395 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: what do you see when he's justin huge moment? He 396 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: can't be where he is on this list. 397 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: Hurts and Tatum are a little similar victims of their roster. 398 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: I oh no, maybe, well, victims and beneficiaries. I mean 399 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: that's the thing is like that there is, Yeah, but 400 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: that's so. I so, I just so I think my 401 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: top eight well, of course I think my top eight's 402 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: right because it's my top eight. 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I want to give them credit, Jeremy Fowler. 441 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: You know polls executives from the entire league has them 442 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: vote on a top ten and that. So this is 443 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: lists like this I actually value because it gives you 444 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: a a kind of eye into how the league is 445 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: seeing guys. 446 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 2: All right, so go ahead, Yes, So the same poll 447 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 2: drop for wide receivers, they had Tyreek Hill at number 448 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 2: three despite last year. Do you think the Tyreek is 449 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 2: due for a bounce back season? You could probably attribute 450 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: that to a couple of things with Tyreek Hill Tyreek 451 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: Hills last year. 452 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, But the question is are any of those things 453 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: going to be different? Right? You know what I mean? 454 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: Like you you could attribute them uh to you know, 455 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: the quarterback personal stuff, you know, the hours before Week one, 456 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: getting throat, put in handcuffs, dealing with a wrist injury, 457 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: a lot of. 458 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 2: Stuff's start off the season like that. 459 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that also was the only game all year 460 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: he had like an explosive touchdown. I mean, so that's 461 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: so here's what was concerning I think for Tyreek. He 462 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: had that eighty yard touchdown in Week one. Here are 463 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: his longest receptions in every game after that ten seventeen, seventeen, 464 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: twenty one, eight thirty, twenty eight, twelve, eighteen, twenty thirty, 465 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: twenty one, twenty one, twenty four, twenty five, thirteen. That's 466 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,959 Speaker 1: that's weird for Tyreek to have two or one play 467 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: all year longer than thirty yards. Is not touchdown longer 468 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: than thirty yards, just play longer than thirty yards. That 469 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: is a rarity, right. We've never seen that from him 470 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: in his career, and he was coming off arguably the 471 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: best year of his career eighteen hundred yards thirteen touchdowns, 472 00:33:52,600 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: despite only playing sixteen games, and so gun to my 473 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: head demands, I still if you were saying, you know, 474 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 1: take any receiver you want in the league, and Justin 475 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: and Jamar are gone, I'd still take Tyreek. 476 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so. 477 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: But I I am, I have my antennae up that 478 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: last year might not be the fluke, that last year 479 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: might be the norm at this point in his career. 480 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: It's certainly on the board. Like I think that's the 481 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: end of the year is. 482 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 2: Pretty weird with Terry Hill and the Dolphins. 483 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: Oh well, yes, there also correct, there also is does 484 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: he want to be there? You know though that piece 485 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: of it, which I think is not nothing right like 486 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: that is a a real factor and is toua you know, 487 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: gonna be good. I think that's you know, those are 488 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: all real factors. I was personally, and I want to 489 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: get your take on this. De Monsey very surprised that 490 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson. 491 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 2: Was not number one. Yeah, same, Yeah, I thought. 492 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: We all just kind of acknowledged, Well, he's obviously the 493 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: best quarterback I'm sorry, the best wide receiver. Yeah, and 494 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: I think that that and I know Chase had a 495 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: mont listen, Chase won the receiving triple Crown. I get 496 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: that Justin Jefferson was the centerpiece of an offense quarterbacked 497 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: by Sam Darnold that won fourteen games, and you know, 498 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 1: the like he was to me, it's pretty clear justin 499 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: Jefferson's the best receiver in football. And it's no disrespect 500 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: to Jamar Chase. I I was very surprised that, and 501 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't have been because Chase had such a 502 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: great year. And by the way, I think Chase is phenomenal. 503 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: I think both. I think both of these guys. Yeah, 504 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: I would just have my It would have been Jefferson one, 505 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: Tyra erse, Jamar two, Tyreek three, And I think that's fair, 506 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: I mean the and then after that, I think it 507 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: is a debate. They have c D four, AJ Brown five. 508 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: That's probably right, but you could flip it like you 509 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: could have AJ five. Uh. It really did surprise me 510 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 1: that uh Malik Neighbors Demons was already seven. Like I, 511 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: I don't know. 512 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 2: I have that much of it here. 513 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, listen, he had no quarterback and know 514 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 1: still twelve hundred yards. I just don't know that. I'm 515 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm not certain that Neighbors was better last year than 516 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,720 Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junior. And so now Brian Thomas Junior obviously 517 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: had better quarterback play having the prince when before he 518 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: got hurt, but still so the and I thought the 519 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: I do think the Puka disrespect was wild. Yeah, Like 520 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: this is where there is real draft slot bias. That 521 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: is that people say I'm guilty of with Purdy, and 522 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,439 Speaker 1: that's fine, but Puoka. Now, I also understand Puoka last 523 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: year missed six games. But despite missing six games, yes exactly, 524 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: he was ten yards short of a thousand yard season. 525 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: He was excellent for them in the playoffs, and as 526 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: you mentioned, he came back from the injury and instantly 527 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: was awesome. And so I think Puka deserved to be 528 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,439 Speaker 1: in that top ten. Like I personally would rather have 529 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: Puka than at this point neighbors right now, this moment, 530 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: neighbors or I wouldn't rather have him than Ceede Lamb, 531 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: but I'd rather have him than neighbors or Nico Collins 532 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: and dude hands pooka yea. 533 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,320 Speaker 2: I like him a lot. 534 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 1: No, I like him a lot too. I didn't see, 535 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't think Ceedee Lamb to me 536 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: is you know, a clear cut top five receiver, And 537 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: I don't think I think Puka has an argument, but 538 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: I think CD. I do agree that CD's high end 539 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 1: is higher than Puka, but I just thought having him 540 00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: essentially twelve behind McLaurin and Garrett Wilson, Like, I don't know, man, Like, 541 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: that's that's not how I how I saw it go ahead. 542 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 2: So it's that time of year. Xavier Worthy said that 543 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 2: Andy Reid told him to get his hamstrings ready. No, 544 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 2: this is your team. It sounds a lot like last year, 545 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 2: like mahomes, you know, we're ready to have some fun 546 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 2: and stuff. 547 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: Well yeah, but then everyone got hurt. I mean that's 548 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: the thing. People are like, Oh, man, you guys said 549 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: this was gonna happen last year, and yes we did. 550 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 1: And then Hollywood Brown gets his rib cage caved in 551 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 1: or no, that's not right, his collarbone broken and then 552 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: it didn't heel into the rib cage properly or she 553 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: Rice yah, Yeah, gets his knee blown out in week three, 554 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: but Jacko breaks his leg and they and all of 555 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: a sudden, they're starting running back as Kareem Hunt, who 556 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: was unemployed and their starting wide receiver got cut by 557 00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 1: the Patriots and Juju like, so do I think that Worthy, 558 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: who came much like Rashi, came on very strong at 559 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: the end of the year. Worthy with Rashi if he 560 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: is fully healthy, And then again, I'm not a huge 561 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 1: Hollywood brown guy, but he will be like an interesting 562 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: part of the UH to have out there as a 563 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: threat that, yeah, we could have a And I also 564 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: think the Chiefs not having the three pet kind of 565 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: hanging over them, with the added pressure and all of 566 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: that week to week will help him. So yeah, I 567 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: do think that the Chiefs offense and its receiving corps 568 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: will be explosive for the first time in a couple 569 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: of years. All right, speaking of the Chiefs, go ahead. 570 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's July and it's your podcast obviously, so 571 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,359 Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about the Chiefs and their guards. They 572 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 2: just signed. 573 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: Go ahead. 574 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,479 Speaker 2: They gave Tray Smith the biggest contract of any guard 575 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 2: in league history, and they're bringing back most of the 576 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 2: squad from last year. Is now the time to hammer 577 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 2: the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl. 578 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: Well plus eight hundred, I think it. I don't think 579 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: the odds are going to get more favorable to bet 580 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: than that, because I think they're going to slap the 581 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: Chargers in Week one in Brazil and then beat Philly 582 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: and then the odds changed drastically. I will say this, 583 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,240 Speaker 1: I like them. They have Creed Humphrey and Trey Smith, 584 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: both locked up to long term deals. They they believe 585 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,320 Speaker 1: they took their left guard of the future, Kingsley Suamataia 586 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 1: in the second round last year, and they think that 587 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,759 Speaker 1: they got an absolute steel with Josh Simmons out of 588 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: Ohio State as their left tackle. If they're right about 589 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 1: those two guys on the left hand side, then they 590 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 1: and they now have the center and guard taken care of. 591 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 1: That doesn't that only leaves right tackle And this will 592 00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: be Juwan Taylor's last year almost assuredly on the team. 593 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: And then you'll see if the guy they signed, uh, 594 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,800 Speaker 1: what's the guy's name? The backup left tackle for the Niners, 595 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 1: who they signed ostensibly to be the left tackle, but 596 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: you see if they slide him over to the right what, 597 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I can't remember the guy's name, but 598 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: everybody knows what I'm talking about. And if you don't 599 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: hold on, Chiefs, what I can't believe this. This is 600 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: embarrassing left tackle. Jared Moore. Jalen Moore. Jalen Moore is 601 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: his name? I right right as I googled it, I 602 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: thought it was Jared Moore, but then I saw it 603 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:41,360 Speaker 1: in was Jalen Moore. But so The short version of 604 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: this is because that was the other thing they happen 605 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,320 Speaker 1: with the Chiefs offense last year. They had some of 606 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: the worst tackle play in the league, and Mahomes was constantly, 607 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: you know, running for his life. So that has to 608 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 1: be cleaned up. All right. 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All right, reminder everyone 625 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: like rate, subscribe, review to the channel on YouTube and 626 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 1: on spotify on I to him all that, let's do 627 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: the Bengals story real quick and then get into these 628 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 1: quarterback battles. 629 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,240 Speaker 2: Bengals first round pick Shamar Stewart has still not signed 630 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 2: his deal. There's reports or rumors, not I should say reports. 631 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,839 Speaker 2: He's been working out with A and M and it's 632 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,240 Speaker 2: possible that he might opt out of playing with Cincy. 633 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 2: What's going on there? 634 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I don't think he's gonna opt out of 635 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,240 Speaker 1: playing for Cincinnati and re enter the draft. My guess 636 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,360 Speaker 1: is he ultimately does blink on this and the weird 637 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,400 Speaker 1: contract language they want, my guess is he'll give it 638 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 1: to him because financially it just can't make you. It's 639 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: so easy to fall to the second round, and then 640 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 1: between first and second round money is so big. What 641 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: it does mean for Cincy, though, is they once again 642 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:53,439 Speaker 1: will have unnecessary noise and distraction and nonsense around them 643 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: going into the season. They still don't have the Trey 644 00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,319 Speaker 1: Hendrickson things squared away, and I'm yet the to that 645 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,240 Speaker 1: he's going to be a very trendy and popular demands 646 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 1: a pick for uh, you know, to be one of 647 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 1: the teams that missed the playoffs last year. That makes 648 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,799 Speaker 1: it this year for obvious reasons, they got hot at 649 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: the end of the year. They have burrowed all that. 650 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: I get it. I just don't know why they won't 651 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: this year will be different than last year. Why it 652 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: won't be the same thing where they score a bunch 653 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 1: of points, they can't get any stops and I and 654 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: why this isn't going to be for the fifth straight 655 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: year a year they start slowly and so I am 656 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,360 Speaker 1: not a buyer on the Bengals. I'll give you this 657 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 1: right now, my right now. If I were to pick 658 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 1: the AFC playoff picture again this it's July seventeenth. It's 659 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 1: not my official predictions, but if I were to pick it, 660 00:45:53,520 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 1: AFC East winner, Buffalo AFC North winner, Baltimore AFC South winner, 661 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 1: the Jags AFC West winner, the Chiefs, with the wild 662 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 1: Guards being the Raiders, and then the two other I 663 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna get three AFC West teams in 664 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: And if I were to pick one, I'd pick the Chargers. Yeah, 665 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 1: three AFC West teams in last year, So I might 666 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,399 Speaker 1: go Raiders, Chargers, and then that leaves room for one 667 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 1: team and oh what the Texans is who you're thinking. 668 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,360 Speaker 1: I'm worried about Houston, man, I'm worried about their offensive line, 669 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,799 Speaker 1: and I'm worried about their lack of healthy weapons on 670 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: the outside. Maybe but maybe Houston. Again, I've gotta spend 671 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: more time on it, But I think the I think 672 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: the surprise AFC playoff team would be the Raiders and 673 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 1: the Jags. And I think since the reason I even 674 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 1: sending you this is I think Cincinnati misses can miss 675 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 1: the playoffs again. I absolutely think they can have a 676 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,879 Speaker 1: year similar to last year. All right, let's go ahead 677 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 1: and go to training camp quarterback stuff. 678 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 2: Training camps cross the league are starting up, and all 679 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 2: eyes are on the quarterback battles around the league, Like 680 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,319 Speaker 2: the Giants, the Saints, Brown so we even have like 681 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,800 Speaker 2: five quarterbacks. The Colts are all looking for their quarterback one. Still, 682 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,719 Speaker 2: which team situation are you most interested in right now? 683 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: Well, I'm not really interested in really much of these, 684 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,239 Speaker 1: but I can tell you who I think is gonna 685 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: win all of them. Like that, to me is the 686 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: most the most interesting thing is just getting on the 687 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,719 Speaker 1: record with who is going to win it. So in 688 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:54,720 Speaker 1: New York it's Russell Wilson, Jamis Winston and the rookie 689 00:47:54,719 --> 00:48:00,520 Speaker 1: they drafted, Jackson Dark. I think to start the year 690 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: will be Russell Wilson and then they might at some 691 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,239 Speaker 1: point switch over to Dart. But I think Russell's gonna 692 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 1: win that quarterback battle. In New Orleans, I think they 693 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 1: are going to because this is a depressing quarterback battle. 694 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,520 Speaker 1: Tyler Shuck, Spencer Rattler, Jay Hayner. I think Tyler Shuck 695 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 1: is gonna be the quarterback next year for the New 696 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 1: Orleans Saints, and he's gonna break camp as the second 697 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:34,080 Speaker 1: round pick starting the Browns. I would be very surprised 698 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,879 Speaker 1: if it's not Flacco. I think they start the year 699 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 1: with Flacco and they potentially trade Pike it and the Colts. 700 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,840 Speaker 1: I think this is almost a lock. It's gonna be 701 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,399 Speaker 1: your guy. Daniel Jones, Anthony Richardson like still dealing with 702 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,640 Speaker 1: shoulder stuff and maturity stuff. Oh that's the other thing 703 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,040 Speaker 1: with the Texans. To get back to it, the CJ. 704 00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,360 Speaker 1: Stroud shoulder soreness thing has hit my radar as as 705 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,480 Speaker 1: something to watch, So Daniel Jones gonna be the starting 706 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: quarterback for the Colts. So I would go Russ with 707 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 1: the Giants, Shuck with the Saints, Flackle with the Browns, 708 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,520 Speaker 1: and Daniel Jones with the Giants for week one. So 709 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: all right, we can we can go on to the 710 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: quick NBA stuff. 711 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 2: The Clippers man, they bought out Bradley Beal. He's headed 712 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,160 Speaker 2: over there. The Son's brought out the Sons. Yeah, the 713 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,160 Speaker 2: Sons bought out Bradley Bial. He set it over to 714 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 2: the LA to play with the Clippers. They'd have three 715 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,120 Speaker 2: of the eight highest scoring players from twenty twenty. Does 716 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,399 Speaker 2: this do anything? I don't think it does. 717 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,560 Speaker 1: No. I mean everyone's gonna make the same point, which is, well, 718 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,000 Speaker 1: Bradley Beal at fifty million, this is a problem, but 719 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,160 Speaker 1: at five million is a bargain kind of. I mean 720 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: it's the same thing they said about Russell Westbrook when 721 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,880 Speaker 1: he went there, like, oh he was bad at fifty 722 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,440 Speaker 1: but at five and he was fine. But Bradley Beal 723 00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,240 Speaker 1: had it wasn't just the contract was his. He didn't 724 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,480 Speaker 1: want to come off the bench. He wanted to be featured. 725 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,759 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have to come off the bench 726 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: and not be featured there, or maybe he starts, but 727 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,560 Speaker 1: it's still gonna be Harden and Kwi show. 728 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:11,719 Speaker 2: I just. 729 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:19,000 Speaker 1: I don't mind the Dice roll, but I am not 730 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:24,640 Speaker 1: bullish at all about Bill getting anywhere close to being 731 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:29,680 Speaker 1: back to you know, his mid Wizard's tenuere form. And 732 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:35,000 Speaker 1: so I look at the Western Conference to monse as 733 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 1: in these buckets. Bucket number one is the defending champ 734 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,680 Speaker 1: Okay see, I think they they brought everyone back. They 735 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,080 Speaker 1: they're young, there's no reason that they shouldn't be going 736 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:54,240 Speaker 1: into the year. The favorites bucket number two, Houston and Denver, 737 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,359 Speaker 1: both I thought had awesome offseasons added in Denver's case 738 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of smart pieces, in Houston's case some smart pieces, 739 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:08,279 Speaker 1: but also a real superstar and Kevin Durant a tier 740 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:15,640 Speaker 1: beneath them. As presently constituted, I have the Lakers and 741 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 1: the Timberwolves, and you can say I shouldn't have the 742 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,239 Speaker 1: Timberwolves in the same class as the Lakers. They beat them, 743 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,359 Speaker 1: you know, in five in the playoffs. I also think 744 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,800 Speaker 1: the Timberwolves losing Nikhil Alexander Walker, the Lakers adding a center, 745 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,360 Speaker 1: even though it's not a center, I love like those 746 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:37,640 Speaker 1: two moves, you know, draw those teams even ish, and 747 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:43,239 Speaker 1: then that next group is where I would have the Clippers, 748 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:49,080 Speaker 1: the Warriors, the MAVs, maybe the Spurs, depending on Whimby. 749 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,480 Speaker 1: So that's where I see the Clippers. I don't look 750 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,160 Speaker 1: at them as anything more than you know, a potential 751 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:03,520 Speaker 1: six seed at best at if everything fell right, maybe 752 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,480 Speaker 1: they could win a round. But no, I'm not buying 753 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,600 Speaker 1: into the Clippers kool aid. Again. By the way, if 754 00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,160 Speaker 1: you want to ask some listener questions, now is the time, 755 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,000 Speaker 1: because we're gonna get ready to wrap up because I 756 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,040 Speaker 1: do have to get to first things first. But first 757 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,320 Speaker 1: we've got a new segment. It's time for On the Rise, 758 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 1: brought to you by our friends at Boost Mobile. We're 759 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,400 Speaker 1: breaking down players who found a way to stand apart 760 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: at NBA Summer League, just like Boost Superior Network and 761 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:37,200 Speaker 1: five G Towers. So this player was a top five 762 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,000 Speaker 1: pick last year and then his coach simply wouldn't play him. 763 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:46,479 Speaker 1: He now is on his team goes into this year 764 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,719 Speaker 1: in my opinion, as one of the absolute favorites, and 765 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,399 Speaker 1: they might end up being my pick to win the championship. 766 00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,520 Speaker 1: And in part it's going to be because of their depth, 767 00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,920 Speaker 1: and he will be a part of that. That player 768 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,200 Speaker 1: is Reed Shephard for the Houston Rockets, a sniper out 769 00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,000 Speaker 1: of Kentucky who last year couldn't get off the bench 770 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,640 Speaker 1: because he wasn't couldn't defend, and now in Summer League 771 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,320 Speaker 1: a few days ago goes twenty eight points, eight rebounds, 772 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:20,240 Speaker 1: four assists, four steals, three blocks in thirty three minutes. 773 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,719 Speaker 1: He then followed that up with an eighteen point game 774 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,759 Speaker 1: where he wasn't all that efficient. But here's why I 775 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,120 Speaker 1: think this is noteworthy, and here's why he's the player 776 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,279 Speaker 1: on spotlighting and on the rise, brought to you by 777 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:36,400 Speaker 1: our friends at boost Mobile, Because Flatley, if the Rockets 778 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:41,040 Speaker 1: are gonna break through and the Rockets are going to 779 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,920 Speaker 1: be a real contender the way I believe they can be, 780 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 1: they needed to go from having some of the least 781 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:54,359 Speaker 1: shooting in the league to at least being passable from 782 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,160 Speaker 1: the perimeter, and by adding Durant, and if all of 783 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,879 Speaker 1: a sudden they get real con intributions from Shepherd, they 784 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,600 Speaker 1: could go from a lack of shooting to a surplus 785 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,120 Speaker 1: of shooting. And so the fact I love that he 786 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,640 Speaker 1: had the force steels three blocks because I think what 787 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,279 Speaker 1: Ema wants from him is just showing effort on the 788 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:21,920 Speaker 1: defensive end. And I think Read Shepherd, who I loved 789 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,680 Speaker 1: him coming out of college, is going to be a 790 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,400 Speaker 1: guy who plays high some high leverage minutes for the 791 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,799 Speaker 1: Rockets this year. And you want to see a guy 792 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,120 Speaker 1: like that dominate when he's in Summer League. And that 793 00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,200 Speaker 1: one game where he had twenty eight eight, four, four 794 00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,279 Speaker 1: and three was enough for me. All right, demonse, let's 795 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:42,840 Speaker 1: get some listener questions. 796 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,680 Speaker 2: Please, Isaiah asked. Jalen gets respect even though he has Avengers, 797 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,160 Speaker 2: but Party gets deemed for it. 798 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,799 Speaker 1: So this is this is what is so puzzling to 799 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,040 Speaker 1: me about some of these people. And I work with 800 00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:00,880 Speaker 1: one of them that want us to discuss brock Purty 801 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,880 Speaker 1: as if last year didn't happen like like, so, I 802 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:11,400 Speaker 1: just want the games to matter. So the because Wild's 803 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,719 Speaker 1: always gets mad at me, He's like, there's nothing brock 804 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,400 Speaker 1: perty can do, And the answer is no, he actually 805 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,080 Speaker 1: last year was the opportunity he didn't have. All the 806 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,239 Speaker 1: Avengers guys were hurt. Okay, Brock shows what you do 807 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,520 Speaker 1: and he wasn't good and the team wasn't good going 808 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:34,440 Speaker 1: into last year, Demonse, I think most people had Purty 809 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,880 Speaker 1: and Jalen Hurts ranked around the same. And then Jalen's 810 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,280 Speaker 1: awesome and they win the Super Bowl. Purty's not good 811 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,560 Speaker 1: and they finished last in the division, and it's like, oh, okay, 812 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,960 Speaker 1: I guess he's gonna move backwards. 813 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,200 Speaker 2: Perdy's guys hurt. Jalen Hurts again in that situation, What 814 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,840 Speaker 2: would he have done without DeVante Smith? 815 00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:01,320 Speaker 1: So I think that I actually do think that Jalen, 816 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,920 Speaker 1: because of what he can do with his legs and 817 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:09,640 Speaker 1: because he's a different type of player, that he would 818 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,480 Speaker 1: not fall off in the way Perty did. But I 819 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:19,319 Speaker 1: the I mean, I just folks, for some reason want 820 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,680 Speaker 1: the fact that Perty was not good last year to 821 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:29,640 Speaker 1: just not count. It's unbelievable, like they of I I 822 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,960 Speaker 1: can't believe how many people want like this is not 823 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:36,280 Speaker 1: the time to come at me about brock Perdy coming 824 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:41,840 Speaker 1: off that season. They just had all right go to 825 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:42,760 Speaker 1: Danny's question. 826 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,040 Speaker 2: Danny asked, if you could put any retired Chiefs player 827 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,200 Speaker 2: in their prime and add them to the current roster, 828 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,440 Speaker 2: who would it be. I know who it is? Who 829 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:52,520 Speaker 2: s Jamal. 830 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:59,359 Speaker 1: Charles Smart, answer is probably the no, no, no, no, You're 831 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,400 Speaker 1: right that that's who I was gonna say. But that's 832 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,040 Speaker 1: that's just because he's my favorite, ye and he's so awesome. 833 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,640 Speaker 1: The smart answer, though, probably is Derek Thomas. If you 834 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,560 Speaker 1: just bring in one of the greatest pure past rushers 835 00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,040 Speaker 1: in league history off the edge for this Chiefs team, 836 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:25,640 Speaker 1: it would be like adding uh Max Crosby, a better 837 00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:29,640 Speaker 1: Max Crosby to the Chiefs. That would be pretty sick. 838 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:35,160 Speaker 1: Matt asks Tony g No, it would be either Derek 839 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,280 Speaker 1: Thomas is the right answer, Jamal Charles is where my 840 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,400 Speaker 1: where my heart is? Go ahead, and that's the next. 841 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,800 Speaker 2: One to mans Uh Noah Rodriguez, How did you end 842 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,320 Speaker 2: up hanging out with Speed and kay Sinet and how 843 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:49,680 Speaker 2: were they? 844 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 1: How I ended up hanging out with them is confidential. 845 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:59,360 Speaker 1: How were they? They were awesome, particularly Kai Uh, but 846 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:05,680 Speaker 1: Speed was super cool too. But the I can't. I'm 847 00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,800 Speaker 1: not gonna reveal what brought us together in that room. 848 00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,040 Speaker 1: One last question before we. 849 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,520 Speaker 2: Go, Matt ass producer Daniel is watching while playing video 850 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,400 Speaker 2: poker in Las Vegas right now? Is there a worse 851 00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,840 Speaker 2: use of time in Las Vegas? 852 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,200 Speaker 1: People love video poker? Some people just play it for 853 00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,840 Speaker 1: the free drinks. I don't really I've never dove into 854 00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,560 Speaker 1: the world of video poker. It seems like you could 855 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,840 Speaker 1: maybe play it for like fifty cents a hand and 856 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,640 Speaker 1: then get you can play it at the bar and 857 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,720 Speaker 1: get free drinks because of that, so maybe it's fun. 858 00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,920 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. It is eight thirty in the morning 859 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:45,520 Speaker 1: out there, but I'm not big on slots and video 860 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,000 Speaker 1: poker and that type of thing. Not really my thing. 861 00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:52,240 Speaker 1: All right, Special show tomorrow recapping the World Series of 862 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:56,240 Speaker 1: Poker with a goat our second guest ever that as 863 00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,600 Speaker 1: soon as I have the exact details of it, I'll 864 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,400 Speaker 1: tweet them. 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