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Speaker 2: Stop it? What did they say? Why did they say it?

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Speaker 1: Well, someone was talking about how Jlo basically stole Selena's laugh, Yes,

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Speaker 1: It's time to leave.

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Speaker 2: It's time to make a provian exit, you know, swemos.

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Speaker 2: And it's that time a year. It's the holidays, the holidays,

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Speaker 2: we're around family, We're hearing things that we don't agree

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Speaker 1: The time, from Jlo to politics.

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Speaker 2: Oh dear God, is that what a painful, painful experience.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the spectrum is deep.

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Speaker 2: Yes it is. Yes it is, and we're here to

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Speaker 1: By the way, O la la lo mos, I'm Theosa.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Mala.

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Speaker 1: We are recordings from an impromptu space today, but we're

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Speaker 2: This is the first time we've had this kind of

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Speaker 2: We've come a long way.

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Speaker 1: We have come a long way, and We're so excited

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Speaker 2: This year, I definitely felt the stress of trying to

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Speaker 1: Just like you said, Mala, how do you do it?

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Speaker 2: Because you are a married woman.

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Speaker 1: I'm a married lady, and so you have I don't

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Speaker 2: So how do you juggle the holidays? Because these are

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Speaker 2: They're busy being men. Yes, they're doing manly things.

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Speaker 2: That's something to be thankful for. Absolutely is just relaxing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it should be. That is what it

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Speaker 1: They didn't wait, no, they were like, oh, we're starting dinner.

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Speaker 1: That is just proving standard time, is what I like

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Speaker 1: The personality higher in the family.

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Speaker 2: Yes, one undred percent, Like you can't have a holiday

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Speaker 1: You're serving looks and laughter.

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Speaker 1: Make like Christmas cocktails and we'll watch The Family Stone

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Speaker 2: Rest in Peace, Dyan Keaton. I love The Family Stone,

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Speaker 1: Yes, And is.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, it's a good way to make sure

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Speaker 2: This is the thing that makes me afraid of having children,

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Speaker 1: It's scary. You know. We think that we're gonna pop

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Speaker 1: It is scary.

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Speaker 2: Listeners, are you scared of birthing Republicans? Is this a

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Speaker 1: It can happen, clearly. Yeah, we see it in our

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Speaker 2: And then you'll never have a happy Thanksgiving ever again.

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Speaker 2: Oh sad, that's terrible.

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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, look, amotives, We'll be right back. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about navigating intrusive questions because you brought up children, right,

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Speaker 2: looking forward to. So of course engagement is one thing.

437
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,399
Speaker 2: They still got to get married. The wedding has to happen,

438
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 2: but the conversation is now jumping straight to the grandchildren.

439
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 2: The grandchildren. We're going to have grandchildren. So they're thrilled,

440
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 2: and that's I think something that my sister is also

441
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 2: very ready for. You know, she's at that age. They've

442
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: been together a long time, they have this beautiful relationship,

443
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 2: this foundation they've established, so I think that those conversations

444
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 2: are like very welcome at this point, you know. And

445
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 2: it's funny because while everyone was congratulating my sister, then

446
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 2: they would say congratulations Yvonne, and then they would look

447
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 2: at me and say, and maybe you're next, like over

448
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 2: and over and over, and I'm like maybe, I don't know, Like.

449
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 1: Who knows, who knows?

450
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 2: Anything could happen. We'll see. I mean, that would be lovely.

451
00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 2: But the focus is one engagement at a time, one

452
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 2: wedding at a time, you know. So that was my

453
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 2: experience with that this year. But people were satisfied because

454
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 2: there is an engagement. Yeah, you know, there is news,

455
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 2: there is there are pending nuptials. Yes, you know, it's

456
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 2: not like every other year where it's like what are guys.

457
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 1: Doing, Who's getting married next?

458
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 2: Yes, what's happening? So it was it was a very

459
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,239
Speaker 2: joyous occasion because of that.

460
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. A couple of years ago, I

461
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: made the mistake of telling my mom that when I

462
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: turned thirty, like I had like a five year timeline

463
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: to have kids a kid. And she goes and tells

464
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: my Matherrin now like, oh she's she said in five years.

465
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 2: She said, in five years she will have a baby.

466
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: Yes, And this is just something I shared with my mom,

467
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, thinking it would stay with my mom. No,

468
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: she went and told my Madrina, and all of a sudden,

469
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 1: my Motherina starts asking me and she's like, oh, lolsagne's

470
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: Mass's mass countdown? And I'm like, who told you that?

471
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: And she goes I can put And I'm like, all right,

472
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: so my mother, my mother told you. And I told

473
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,360
Speaker 1: my mom. I said, hey, I know you've been telling

474
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: people about a five year timeline, but like, I'm resetting it,

475
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: like it starts now. And she was like what, I'm like, yeah,

476
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: like I'm resetting it like five years. Two years ago

477
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: that means in three years. No, like, I'm not doing that.

478
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: That's really soon.

479
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: That's so soon.

480
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 2: A year of that will be spent actually pregnant. It's

481
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 2: really just two years.

482
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no no no, we're not there,

483
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: not there at all.

484
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 2: Wait too soon? Wait, wait too soon.

485
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm thirty one now, No, how old am

486
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: i am?

487
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: I thirty two, I'm thirty three.

488
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: Oh so I'm thirty two, okay, okay, how old are we?

489
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: How old are we? Okay? So I'm thirty two now.

490
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: So I'm like, in five years, that'll make me thirty seven.

491
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: That feels less scary. Great age, good age, fabulous age,

492
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: you know. But I don't know. Maybe my timeline will

493
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: reset every year. I'm not sure. Yeah, maybe we'll never sat.

494
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: And I'm okay with that, you know. And I'm like,

495
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: I've been having to prep my mom in that way,

496
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: like okay, and she goes, she'll she'll bring it up

497
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: a lot, She's bring it up a lot lately, and

498
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm okay with it, but I like, I

499
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: don't want her to be testing fitting on those patients. Oh,

500
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: you know, she'll like say it in front of us.

501
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: You know, and of course it's like it's very jokey,

502
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: but like you know, eventually, eventually you're like, all right,

503
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: that's enough, you major joke, like yeah, and I don't

504
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: want it to get there. So I'm like, okay, Mom,

505
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: like yeah, that's enough, you know, like I don't want

506
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: her to test it or push him too far. I

507
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: don't even remember what we were talking about, but I said, oh,

508
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: if you know, if we have a kid like X

509
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: y Z, and my mom is like all excited and

510
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: he goes but it's a big if, like it's a

511
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 1: maybe yeah, you know, And so we were like making

512
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: it very clear to her, like we still don't know,

513
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: and we're figuring that out. You know what that's gonna

514
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: look like for us if that even happens. But you know,

515
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: we can't do it because you want us to, like

516
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: we love you, I love you, but I can't have

517
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: a baby just to make you a grandmother when you're

518
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: already a grandmother and a great grandmother.

519
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: I'm not going to have grandkids. She already has a grandkids.

520
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, So that's how I've been trying to

521
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: navigate it with my Madrina. I'm a little more like

522
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: and not that I feed into it, but I'm just like,

523
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, I don't really want to burst her bubble.

524
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: The senora my Nina is eighty. I'm like, you know,

525
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: just we'll see what happens, is what I tell her,

526
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, because she's super traditional, very old school, will

527
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: always side with Fernando. She's one of those senoras I know.

528
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 2: And when you got married, you gained an enemy.

529
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: Yes, I did. That's so funny, I know. And she's

530
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: my Madrina, like she's my mom's eldest sister. She's the eldest,

531
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: my Madrina basically my mother and has really served like

532
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: this abuelita role in my life as the eldest. And

533
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 1: my mother's mom passed away when I was a year old,

534
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: so she's filled that role for me. And so because

535
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: of that, I'm like, you know, I can't be too

536
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: firm with her. It can't be like mean or rude

537
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: or disrespectful. Where it's my mom, I feel like I

538
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: must confiance to be like, lady, you got to cut

539
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: it out, you.

540
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: Know, boundary.

541
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh that's so hard, I know, Oh that's so hard.

542
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: I don't know her.

543
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 2: So how do we remain emotionally regulated and sane during

544
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: the holidays. How do you do it?

545
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I run marathons, so that should tell you

546
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: everything you need to know.

547
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: You do you ran two marathons this year?

548
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: I did. I did. And I'm not saying it as

549
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 1: a flex. I'm saying it as like that is a

550
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: really big, a really big way that I think I

551
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: stay emotionally regulated and sane is by running a lot.

552
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: Also have not shared publicly, but I've been on antidepressants

553
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: for like six to eight weeks now and that has helped,

554
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 1: I think with my emotion regulation. So this will be

555
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: my first time navigating the holidays on meds. In my

556
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: thirty plus years, I have never been on any type

557
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: of meds for mental health. I've always been open to it,

558
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: I've just never really explored it. So this is my

559
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: first year navigating the holidays medicated. So we'll see. I'll

560
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: report back.

561
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: How do you feel?

562
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: In so many ways, I feel like nothing's changed, But

563
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: then when I meet with my psychiatrist, I'm like, oh, yeah,

564
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: i am having like less depressive episodes and less anxiety,

565
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: and I'm feeling more like focused and like I can

566
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: concentrate on the tasks that I need to do. So

567
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: I think that it's working. I think that it's helping.

568
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: That's fabulous. Yeah, so good meds.

569
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: Good meds. I think you like your meds.

570
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: I think so that's great.

571
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: The first week was horrible. It was rough. My body

572
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: was adjusting, so I was like, I felt really sick.

573
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't sleeping. It was rough. I very much considered

574
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: like I can't, I can't continue on. But then my

575
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: body adjusted and I'm glad I stuck it out. But

576
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: it was it was tough. I'm like, oh, I get

577
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: that was partly what kept me from trying meds. I

578
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: knew like there's a trial and error period, there's trying

579
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 1: different meds, and I just really didn't want to go

580
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: through that. But I felt like it was time and

581
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: so that I think is another tool in the toolbox

582
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: right for me of staying emotionally regulated using all the

583
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: tools that I can, whether that be physical fitness, medication, meditation,

584
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: all of that.

585
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wonderful. I'm so happy for you. Yeah, I

586
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: think it's it's tough getting on a regimen of pharmaceuticals. Yes,

587
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: it's like they're literally, you know, interacting with your brain chemistry.

588
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, so good for you.

589
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: That's amazing.

590
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: I say this as I wear my part time sounds.

591
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: Sweater but only part time.

592
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: Yes, not full time, part time.

593
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: And that's a good thing. It's nice to have a

594
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: side gig, have a side hustle.

595
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: I low key wanted to wear this to my psycho appointment. Ah,

596
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: I was like, is that too much? I didn't, but

597
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: I thought about it.

598
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: Tell me about your sweater. What does this mean?

599
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: What does this mean for you?

600
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: Would your psychiatrist understand the cultural implications of the same

601
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: sad girl?

602
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. I have a male psychiatrist. Oh

603
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: that was not intentional on my end. It just seems

604
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: scheduling wise. It just happens. Yeah.

605
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: I remember there was a tweet one so where someone

606
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: was like, oh, all the Latinas are we talking about

607
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: how sad they are? Yes, it's a sad girl, this,

608
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: sad girl that. But it's true. There's a lot to

609
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: be sad about.

610
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: There's so much to be sad about.

611
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: There's sad things happening in the world. God have some empathy. Yes,

612
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 2: If anything, it's just a sign that we're very empathetic.

613
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: We are very empathetic.

614
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: Yes, you know the sorrows of the world impact us greatly.

615
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely, don't go anywhere. Looka Motives will be right back.

616
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: And we're back with more of our episode. I mean

617
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: I watched Frankenstein and it's like sat with me.

618
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: Oh we watched that together, Yes, yes, I watched it.

619
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: We watch it together. And then in New York.

620
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And that concept of him not having any

621
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: companionship but also not being able to die and feeling pain,

622
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: just endless suffering with no end insight. Oh my god, yes,

623
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: it hit me. It's so's it's sorrowful. It's so painful

624
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: to think of.

625
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

626
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: Anyways, that's something that made me sad recently, just thinking

627
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: about poor Frankenstein.

628
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: Well, I mean creature that overlaps I think with this

629
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: notion not to be too tangential, right, but this notion

630
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: of like Latino's being sad girls and on the press

631
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: junk gig like kept everything was while I'm Mexican. Yes,

632
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: it all makes sense because I'm Mexican. And it's true.

633
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: I see that with the narrative arc between doctor Frankenstein

634
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: and the creature, where doctor Frankenstein worked so hard to

635
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: create this creature, to create make the scientific discovery and

636
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: then had no patience, no understanding, no empathy, no willingness

637
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: to learn to teach, just zero patients. And how does

638
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: that also mirror our own fathers in some ways?

639
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: Interesting?

640
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: You know? And that made me think of, well, my

641
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: own father and just like Latino men, right, and how

642
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: they parent and how they father and there of course

643
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: there's so many layers of like parenthood fatherhood within Frankenstein

644
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: and the novel and now this film, and so that

645
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: for me is like what really stuck with me?

646
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought of like that life in the film

647
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: where doctor Frankenstein says, basically I'm paraphrasing, he was so

648
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: focused on accomplishing the thing, on creating the creature that

649
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: he never considered what would happen afterwards. Yes, like it

650
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: was a desire to accomplish some major scientific feat, not

651
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Speaker 2: a desire to bring life into the world. And then

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Speaker 2: the brother asks him, you know, when you were putting

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Speaker 2: together this creature, did you ever consider where its soul

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00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: would be housed? And it makes me actually think of

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00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: doctor Frankenstein as like God, and oh, I created the

656
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: world in what three days or whatever the fuck it is?

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Speaker 1: Seven days?

658
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Speaker 2: I created the world.

659
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Speaker 1: We rested in the seventh Day, and then he rested.

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Speaker 2: I created the world and I created humanity. Good for me,

661
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: look what I did. But did God ever think about

662
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Speaker 2: what would happen afterwards after we were created? And now

663
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Speaker 2: there's billions of people and we're all killing each other

664
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Speaker 2: and endless suffering if we want to be really, it does.

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Speaker 2: And then I was watching Sangred del Toro about Guermo

666
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: and he was I thought it was so funny, Like,

667
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Speaker 2: just the way that he communicates is so funny to me.

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Speaker 2: He's like, yes, my grandmother told me these stories of

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Speaker 2: saints that were undead and they were whipped and flogged,

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Speaker 2: and you know, they would carry their heads under their

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Speaker 2: arms and do all these things, and they were really

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Speaker 2: scary stories for me. They were really scary.

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Speaker 1: They're terrifying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, so Catholicism completely completely informs his monsters

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Speaker 2: and the stories he tells.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Catholicism and Gothic and camp overlap.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they all go together so hard. Yeah. He was

678
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Speaker 2: talking about how there's a lot of vampiric elements to

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Speaker 2: Catholicism and the eating of the flesh and the drinking

680
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: of the bloodic very vampiric, the undead saints, the fact

681
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Speaker 2: that when we worshiped the crucifix, which is Christ nailed

682
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: to across that, you know, we're worshiping this man who

683
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 2: was mutilated and left to.

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Speaker 1: Rot on a cross, but he rose again. But of

685
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Speaker 1: course he rose again, that's where the miracle comes from.

686
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Speaker 2: Again, very vampiric, and so yeah, it was just very fascinating.

687
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Speaker 2: And so after watching that and watching the film, I

688
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Speaker 2: can't not draw, you know, the religious comparisons.

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Speaker 1: I sat with it and I rewatched it after we

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00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: watched it together, and it was incredible. I'm such a fan, Like,

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Speaker 1: how can you not be.

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Speaker 2: Huge, huge fan? And Jacob Alerti was great as a

693
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 2: creatures Miagoth fabulous as Elizabeth, real weirdo. Loved her. She

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Speaker 2: was so like because initially I think Elizabeth was into

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Speaker 2: doctor Frankenstein.

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00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because he's.

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Speaker 2: Kind of weird, yes, But then she met someone even

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Speaker 2: weirder in the Creature and that's really what she wanted.

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00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 2: She wanted like the weirdest boy. Yes on the playground, and.

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Speaker 1: I love, love, love love Oscar Isaac, but seeing him

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Speaker 1: in this role, I was like, oh, doctor Frankenstein is

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00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: an inceell. Oh absolutely, you know the way in the

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Speaker 1: film it's portrayed and in the book, but in the

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Speaker 1: film in particular, it's portrayed. Oscar Isaac's character of doctor

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Speaker 1: Frankenstein is so enamored with Elizabeth, but then gets upset

706
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Speaker 1: and angry when she pulls back, and then is jealous

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Speaker 1: of the creature because she has clearly affection for him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then decides to kill the creature because of set

709
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Speaker 1: affection and because he's frustrated and doesn't know what to do.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is in cell behavior.

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Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely, Doctor Frankenstein is the definition of scaring the hose. Yes,

712
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: he he he almost had her. Yes, but he was

713
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 2: too much. Yes, be cool man.

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Speaker 1: He was not cool.

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00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: He was not cool.

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Speaker 1: He was a weirdo, which we love weird weird can

717
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: be good. But he was like a step too far

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Speaker 1: in a bad way in in cel territory.

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Speaker 2: He was the monster.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's the takeaway.

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Speaker 2: That is the absolute takeaway. Well, what are you gonna do, listeners?

722
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Speaker 2: What did you think? What did you guys think about Frankenstein?

723
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Speaker 2: And how do you stay sane and regulated during the holidays.

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Speaker 1: Did not think we'd be talking about Frankenstein today, but

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Speaker 1: you know it is a Latino film, like of course,

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Speaker 1: of course, like but also like the story. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: this is a Latino story, you know, this is this portrayal,

728
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Speaker 1: this interpretation. It is very Latino. It's very Mexican.

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Speaker 2: It's very Mexican. It's very tragic. Very beautiful, yes, very

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Speaker 2: beautifully shot. I saw some criticism of it that it's

731
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Speaker 2: like too beautiful. Yeah, right, shut the fuck up, Like

732
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: you don't know something beautiful like your trash. Sorry, anyways,

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Speaker 2: would you guys.

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Speaker 1: Think the costuming, everything, everything, ever because.

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Speaker 2: The production design, yes, the writing, you know.

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Speaker 1: I think how I'm going to connect this conversation between

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Speaker 1: staying sane is watch Frankenstein. That will help you immerse

738
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Speaker 1: yourself in art. Whether it's not Frankenstein, it's something else.

739
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: Immerse yourself in art, music, film, yeah, books.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's also okay whether it's Frankenstein or

741
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: The Family Stone or Legally Blonde, any of these films,

742
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 2: you can find yourself in the film. Oh are you

743
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: the creature? Are you the true monster in Doctor Frankenstein?

744
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: Like are you? Are you s JP in the Family

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00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: Stone or are you Luke Wilson? You know, like, who

746
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Speaker 2: are you Paulette like mcadam's character. Yes, find yourself in

747
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Speaker 2: the art and then ask yourself, is that who you

748
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Speaker 2: actually want to be?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I agree?

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Speaker 2: Is that who you want to be in the story

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Speaker 2: of your life?

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Speaker 1: That's a very lovely note to end on. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Look, I'm motives for tuning in to another

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Speaker 1: episode of lok A Thought Our Radio. We'll catch you

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Speaker 1: next time, be Tho. Lok I Thought Our Radio is

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Speaker 1: executive produced and hosted by me Biosa and me Mala,

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