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Speaker 1: School of Humans. Wow, it's cadaver Gaus, your favorite show,

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Speaker 1: Cadaver Gals. This is a show or we talk about

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Speaker 1: all the weird ways people have died throughout history so

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Speaker 1: that we can cope with our own mortality. Look at

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Speaker 1: us coping. We're doing a great job. Taylor's in a bathroom. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: sitting on a toilet right now, which is in the bathroom.

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Speaker 1: That's not how you're supposed to use it, Taylor, that

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Speaker 1: would disgusting. The image that is going through my brain

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Speaker 1: right now is actually really gross. Well, speaking of trigger warnings,

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Speaker 1: just triggered Nika. But on this today's episode, we're going

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Speaker 1: to be talking about a haunted lake in Australia, Australia. Yeah, sorry,

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Speaker 1: Australian listeners don't appreciate that. But Nika's kind of authentic

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Speaker 1: to Australia, so it's okay. It's okay you do that.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll also hear about the death of a prominent

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Speaker 1: whiskey gentleman, so woot woot. Today's trigger warnings. We're going

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Speaker 1: to have ghosts, drowning, drinking infections, and you know what,

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Speaker 1: no rape and incests today, So you guys are lucky.

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Speaker 1: This is a special treat. You're welcome. All right. Well

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Speaker 1: we'll get into it after the theme. So Nika tell

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Speaker 1: us about this uh lake, Yes, likes, Yes, you know,

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Speaker 1: likes is where we go, you know, put some shrimp

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Speaker 1: on the bar, abby, we got a camping. It's fun,

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Speaker 1: it's great with me. Yep, I feel like you do

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Speaker 1: like trolling Australians. Now, No, I no, I'm not. I

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Speaker 1: and and it has such weird stories, like people always

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Speaker 1: am I right. Okay, So this is actually a pretty

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Speaker 1: tragic story though, so I'm gonna tone it down now. Um.

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Speaker 1: So we are going to a haunted lake in a

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Speaker 1: haunted place. Um, it's a pretty sad story. So let's

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Speaker 1: start with Australian people. Most are actually pretty outdoorsy, and

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Speaker 1: I mean, I remember when I was younger, like they

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Speaker 1: It's just such a chill place to be though, You're

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Speaker 1: like really profiling these people, like all like water, they

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Speaker 1: well yes, no, okay, that's fair. Yes, we're not going

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Speaker 1: to profile all Australians, but it is very Australian culture

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Speaker 1: to be like, I let's go comping. Put some shrimp

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Speaker 1: even mad about it. How do you put the shrimp

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Speaker 1: a great question. I've always wondered that two gaps Australian

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Speaker 1: thank you for validating the Australians. So, um, so you know, camping,

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Speaker 1: So super normal, safe place to go swim. However, just

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Speaker 1: do you want um? What did you say? He was like, Hey,

423
00:25:01,085 --> 00:25:04,005
Speaker 1: do you want some trollies and I was like no, like,

424
00:25:04,165 --> 00:25:06,485
Speaker 1: I'm We're fine. I was like, are you sure we

425
00:25:06,565 --> 00:25:09,365
Speaker 1: can bring them to you? And I was We're like no,

426
00:25:09,605 --> 00:25:15,005
Speaker 1: like totally fine, like absolutely totally fine. He was like, okay,

427
00:25:15,085 --> 00:25:17,645
Speaker 1: sorry to bother you, and I was like, you're fine,

428
00:25:17,925 --> 00:25:21,485
Speaker 1: You're absolutely fine. I just don't really like them that much.

429
00:25:21,805 --> 00:25:24,565
Speaker 1: And also I wanted to mind my business and be

430
00:25:24,605 --> 00:25:27,165
Speaker 1: with my friend. If you see a girl in a thong,

431
00:25:27,245 --> 00:25:29,925
Speaker 1: in a bikini thong, she doesn't want to really talk

432
00:25:29,925 --> 00:25:33,485
Speaker 1: to you, it's not an invitation. Lovingly, it's called getting

433
00:25:33,485 --> 00:25:35,365
Speaker 1: a good tent. Also, I'm going to a nudist beach

434
00:25:35,405 --> 00:25:42,005
Speaker 1: this week. I'm so excited. Anyway, Yes, great, Taylor, Yes,

435
00:25:42,085 --> 00:25:44,245
Speaker 1: what were you gonna say? I was just gonna say,

436
00:25:44,485 --> 00:25:49,725
Speaker 1: speaking of the heavier alcohols. Oh, speaking of heavy Oh.

437
00:25:49,805 --> 00:25:52,085
Speaker 1: I see Taylor's trying to usert me as hosts and

438
00:25:52,125 --> 00:25:55,445
Speaker 1: transition into her story because she was like sometimes we

439
00:25:55,525 --> 00:25:57,645
Speaker 1: just like, don't do that very quick. But like I'm

440
00:25:57,725 --> 00:26:01,925
Speaker 1: keeping track, Taylor, Okay, I know what's happening. And that

441
00:26:02,125 --> 00:26:06,125
Speaker 1: is the segue I was gonna do. Definitely one sent Yeah,

442
00:26:06,125 --> 00:26:10,125
Speaker 1: it was you know, alcohol and there's other alcohols besides

443
00:26:10,365 --> 00:26:13,645
Speaker 1: white Claw and sometimes you be drinking it because you

444
00:26:13,725 --> 00:26:16,925
Speaker 1: make it and then should be happening. So Taylor, why

445
00:26:16,925 --> 00:26:20,645
Speaker 1: don't you do your story? Now? Okay, I was so great.

446
00:26:21,245 --> 00:26:23,765
Speaker 1: So I'm also going to be talking a little bit

447
00:26:23,805 --> 00:26:27,365
Speaker 1: about man drama, which I'm not trying to say that

448
00:26:27,405 --> 00:26:30,725
Speaker 1: women aren't dramatic or anything, but I really think that

449
00:26:30,805 --> 00:26:34,765
Speaker 1: we need to acknowledge that man drama exists. And here

450
00:26:34,925 --> 00:26:40,445
Speaker 1: is a grand underaple so that yes, thank you, Like

451
00:26:40,525 --> 00:26:44,565
Speaker 1: we're all dramatic. Let's be honest, like it's not. It's

452
00:26:44,605 --> 00:26:48,565
Speaker 1: not mutual, you know, it's not any specific gender anyway.

453
00:26:49,405 --> 00:26:52,965
Speaker 1: So this is a story about mister Jack Daniels who

454
00:26:53,165 --> 00:26:56,845
Speaker 1: was evidently a real person, but his name was Jasper,

455
00:26:57,965 --> 00:27:01,205
Speaker 1: but his buddies called him Jampa Jasper. Yeah, oh I

456
00:27:01,285 --> 00:27:04,885
Speaker 1: hate that Jasper? Is that is that um vampire from Twilight?

457
00:27:05,085 --> 00:27:08,045
Speaker 1: The one was actually a Confederate soldier the Alice was

458
00:27:08,125 --> 00:27:13,445
Speaker 1: dating such a good vampire name. I'd like to say

459
00:27:13,485 --> 00:27:15,885
Speaker 1: that he spoke like this a little bit and his

460
00:27:16,125 --> 00:27:23,325
Speaker 1: name was Jasper jam That accent may come in and out,

461
00:27:23,405 --> 00:27:26,645
Speaker 1: who knows. Um. So also I feel like this this

462
00:27:26,725 --> 00:27:29,805
Speaker 1: story should be more well known, but like maybe I'm

463
00:27:29,805 --> 00:27:32,525
Speaker 1: just dumb and didn't know about it. But um but anyway,

464
00:27:32,565 --> 00:27:34,965
Speaker 1: so if you've heard it, sorry, but if you haven't, yeah,

465
00:27:35,085 --> 00:27:39,245
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a fun time. Okay, So jass good story,

466
00:27:39,445 --> 00:27:45,845
Speaker 1: I'm done? Okay, So uh Jasper. When he was a kid,

467
00:27:46,205 --> 00:27:52,885
Speaker 1: his mother died, his dad remarried. When he had a stepmom,

468
00:27:53,365 --> 00:27:57,165
Speaker 1: didn't like a stepmom, wasn't vibing with her, so he

469
00:27:57,245 --> 00:28:00,005
Speaker 1: ran away and he was like, I need, I need,

470
00:28:00,205 --> 00:28:03,485
Speaker 1: I need some other direction. Right, So he was taken

471
00:28:03,485 --> 00:28:08,165
Speaker 1: in by a man of God, Reverend Dan Call, who

472
00:28:08,725 --> 00:28:13,285
Speaker 1: also happened to be a whiskey distiller. God loves whiskey,

473
00:28:13,645 --> 00:28:17,765
Speaker 1: but does he He wouldn't have created man who then

474
00:28:17,805 --> 00:28:19,925
Speaker 1: created whiskey if he didn't like whiskey. Am I right?

475
00:28:20,965 --> 00:28:25,285
Speaker 1: That's true? What year and where is this? So this

476
00:28:25,405 --> 00:28:30,605
Speaker 1: is like the eighteen fifties? Heard? Okay? Good? So this

477
00:28:30,725 --> 00:28:34,805
Speaker 1: is where Jack Daniels? Is it like in Kentucky or something?

478
00:28:34,845 --> 00:28:40,565
Speaker 1: Tennessee Tennessee, Tennessee, which Okay. When I was writing this,

479
00:28:40,765 --> 00:28:44,405
Speaker 1: there are so mini songs out there about Jack Daniels

480
00:28:44,445 --> 00:28:47,165
Speaker 1: Tennessee whiskey, and they just keep getting stuck in my head.

481
00:28:47,485 --> 00:28:50,405
Speaker 1: They've been stuck in my head all freaking all day yesterday.

482
00:28:50,565 --> 00:28:52,645
Speaker 1: Thank you for your sacrifice, because I know those are

483
00:28:52,645 --> 00:28:55,365
Speaker 1: probably all country songs. They are, but one is actually

484
00:28:55,405 --> 00:28:58,245
Speaker 1: steel Drivers, and they really like steel Drivers. So anyway,

485
00:28:58,485 --> 00:29:04,805
Speaker 1: it's all rap. It's TikTok about Tennessee whiskey. Okay, So anyway,

486
00:29:04,845 --> 00:29:08,245
Speaker 1: this is the eighteen fifties, and we cannot give Jack

487
00:29:08,325 --> 00:29:12,645
Speaker 1: Daniels the credit that for creating what we note in

488
00:29:12,725 --> 00:29:16,445
Speaker 1: love today as Jack Daniels. It was actually a slave

489
00:29:16,565 --> 00:29:19,565
Speaker 1: named Nathan Nearest Green and he was the real master.

490
00:29:20,085 --> 00:29:24,005
Speaker 1: Damn fucking right. Yeah, as per usual, all yeah, so

491
00:29:24,165 --> 00:29:26,645
Speaker 1: he was the one who taught Jack Daniels everything. He

492
00:29:26,725 --> 00:29:31,885
Speaker 1: was the real master. He became Jack's mentor. He actually

493
00:29:31,925 --> 00:29:35,405
Speaker 1: I believe he called him Uncle Nearest or Uncle Nathan.

494
00:29:35,725 --> 00:29:39,445
Speaker 1: His nickname was Nearest, but his name is Nathan anyway,

495
00:29:40,445 --> 00:29:44,285
Speaker 1: So Jack Jack Daniels company does give credit where credit

496
00:29:44,365 --> 00:29:47,605
Speaker 1: is due. However, it wasn't until the New York Times

497
00:29:47,805 --> 00:29:51,045
Speaker 1: put out this article calling them out on it. They

498
00:29:51,085 --> 00:29:55,205
Speaker 1: were like, um, hello, is this guy this slave who

499
00:29:55,325 --> 00:29:58,085
Speaker 1: actually was the one like he taught Jack everything. He knows,

500
00:29:58,125 --> 00:30:00,245
Speaker 1: like he was the one that basically they like did it,

501
00:30:00,325 --> 00:30:04,245
Speaker 1: but we'll get back there. But in twenty sixteen, Jack Daniels,

502
00:30:04,325 --> 00:30:07,005
Speaker 1: they changed up their tours and whatnot, their website and

503
00:30:07,085 --> 00:30:11,565
Speaker 1: everything and gave him credit. So thanks New York Times,

504
00:30:11,805 --> 00:30:15,205
Speaker 1: thank you for calling. Thanks for that expose exactly. So

505
00:30:15,525 --> 00:30:19,125
Speaker 1: during this time Jack was learning, was learning the ways.

506
00:30:19,565 --> 00:30:22,525
Speaker 1: He was literally like going out and selling whiskey to

507
00:30:22,845 --> 00:30:27,765
Speaker 1: Civil War soldiers. This is like like during this time, right, um,

508
00:30:27,805 --> 00:30:31,165
Speaker 1: And apparently he was quite the salesman. People really liked it.

509
00:30:31,205 --> 00:30:34,805
Speaker 1: So back to Reverend Call who took in Jack Daniels.

510
00:30:35,045 --> 00:30:39,325
Speaker 1: He was given remember he was a preacher of Reverend Whatever,

511
00:30:39,925 --> 00:30:42,565
Speaker 1: and he was given an ultimatum by his wife and

512
00:30:42,765 --> 00:30:46,565
Speaker 1: his congregation. They were like, Okay, you can have God

513
00:30:46,645 --> 00:30:49,285
Speaker 1: or you can have whiskey, but we'll all be damned

514
00:30:49,325 --> 00:30:55,325
Speaker 1: if you have both. So mister Reverend Call said, there's

515
00:30:55,445 --> 00:30:59,165
Speaker 1: nothing greater than God's love. So he sold his little

516
00:30:59,285 --> 00:31:03,765
Speaker 1: Oh I know he chose God over whiskey, that I know. Wow.

517
00:31:03,885 --> 00:31:07,845
Speaker 1: But worked out for it, doubt for Jack, right, worked

518
00:31:07,845 --> 00:31:12,765
Speaker 1: out for all Jasper. He sold his distillery to Jack

519
00:31:12,845 --> 00:31:16,205
Speaker 1: for twenty five dollars, which at the time I was like, oh,

520
00:31:16,245 --> 00:31:18,245
Speaker 1: how much is that? Like that seems like a lot

521
00:31:18,245 --> 00:31:20,965
Speaker 1: of money. But it's like eight hundred and seventy dollars today,

522
00:31:21,005 --> 00:31:22,605
Speaker 1: which I thought that was going to be more. And

523
00:31:22,685 --> 00:31:26,285
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong because it's a whole distillery. Well, I

524
00:31:26,325 --> 00:31:28,245
Speaker 1: mean it was like a smaller business. I mean, it's

525
00:31:28,365 --> 00:31:32,885
Speaker 1: it's not what it is today. We'll say, um okay,

526
00:31:32,205 --> 00:31:37,005
Speaker 1: fast fast forward. Civil War happening. As I said, Jasper

527
00:31:37,165 --> 00:31:41,725
Speaker 1: was selling selling the whiskey to the soldiers. Civil war happens,

528
00:31:41,765 --> 00:31:46,765
Speaker 1: slavery is abolished, and Jack and Nearest became buddies, Like

529
00:31:46,805 --> 00:31:49,485
Speaker 1: they've been buddies the whole time, right, So Jack's like,

530
00:31:49,565 --> 00:31:52,365
Speaker 1: I'm going to hire you, and he and so Nearest

531
00:31:52,565 --> 00:31:56,285
Speaker 1: became the first master distiller, which is like really cool

532
00:31:56,285 --> 00:31:59,485
Speaker 1: and that's a pretty like prestigious position and roll like

533
00:31:59,565 --> 00:32:03,525
Speaker 1: he was the one that like created the whiskey. So

534
00:32:03,765 --> 00:32:06,325
Speaker 1: it's disappointing that it took so long to give him credit.

535
00:32:06,605 --> 00:32:10,445
Speaker 1: But Nearest, two sons and I think three grandkids, they've

536
00:32:10,485 --> 00:32:13,405
Speaker 1: all worked for Jack Daniels sense and there are actually

537
00:32:13,405 --> 00:32:16,445
Speaker 1: even some living relatives that are working there today, which

538
00:32:16,485 --> 00:32:20,685
Speaker 1: I think that's really cool. Oh wow, that's yeah, all

539
00:32:20,725 --> 00:32:25,165
Speaker 1: in the family. That's sweet. Yeah, super cool. Anyway, I

540
00:32:25,205 --> 00:32:26,805
Speaker 1: thought all that was cool, but we're not here to

541
00:32:26,805 --> 00:32:29,485
Speaker 1: talk about that. Rev and call no longer part of

542
00:32:29,485 --> 00:32:32,845
Speaker 1: the business. Jack is doing his thing, he's single, he's

543
00:32:32,965 --> 00:32:36,965
Speaker 1: loving it. His nephews come in to work for him

544
00:32:36,965 --> 00:32:41,405
Speaker 1: as well. But one day Jackie Pooh got into work

545
00:32:41,405 --> 00:32:43,965
Speaker 1: early and he was like, you know, ready to make

546
00:32:44,005 --> 00:32:47,685
Speaker 1: that money. So he's like, got to do some accounting stuff,

547
00:32:47,965 --> 00:32:50,685
Speaker 1: will do do wildee, all of the fun stuff, paperwork.

548
00:32:50,925 --> 00:32:54,125
Speaker 1: So he goes to the safe. There's a picture of

549
00:32:54,165 --> 00:32:56,605
Speaker 1: it whichle post, but it's like, I don't know, like

550
00:32:56,645 --> 00:32:59,125
Speaker 1: three or four feet tall, just based on looking at

551
00:32:59,125 --> 00:33:01,605
Speaker 1: this picture, so I don't know, it's not that big.

552
00:33:01,805 --> 00:33:04,565
Speaker 1: But he's like turning the little dial tikty tick and

553
00:33:04,685 --> 00:33:08,085
Speaker 1: what didn't you know? He forgot the gosh darn combination?

554
00:33:08,405 --> 00:33:14,405
Speaker 1: And how frustrating is that? So as any frustrated white

555
00:33:14,405 --> 00:33:17,005
Speaker 1: man in the eighteen fifties would do, kidding, because I

556
00:33:17,005 --> 00:33:19,645
Speaker 1: would probably do this as well. Um, he kicked the

557
00:33:19,685 --> 00:33:23,605
Speaker 1: safe out of rage with his left foot and broke

558
00:33:23,685 --> 00:33:28,445
Speaker 1: his toe and yeah, so I imagine he's like, well,

559
00:33:28,445 --> 00:33:33,085
Speaker 1: ah my low fileni's doth hote? I just really like

560
00:33:33,245 --> 00:33:37,125
Speaker 1: I was really getting into his mindset yesterday, I guess,

561
00:33:37,885 --> 00:33:39,885
Speaker 1: and this was the beginning doing a lot of good,

562
00:33:39,925 --> 00:33:46,005
Speaker 1: like character driven work right now, doing a great job. Well, well,

563
00:33:46,125 --> 00:33:50,445
Speaker 1: well we'll get back there. Um I've been if you've

564
00:33:50,445 --> 00:33:54,125
Speaker 1: had a shot of whiskey. I'm actually doing this show.

565
00:33:54,525 --> 00:34:00,005
Speaker 1: I have been enjoying doing like accents and like taking

566
00:34:00,005 --> 00:34:04,925
Speaker 1: on characters and stuff lately. But anyway, okay, so this

567
00:34:04,965 --> 00:34:09,285
Speaker 1: was the beginning of the end for Old jasp. So

568
00:34:09,365 --> 00:34:13,205
Speaker 1: that toe injury got infected as they do, and feed

569
00:34:13,245 --> 00:34:15,925
Speaker 1: are really gross. I hate feet. But his toe got

570
00:34:15,965 --> 00:34:18,205
Speaker 1: so bad they were like, we're gonna have to amputate

571
00:34:18,245 --> 00:34:21,405
Speaker 1: your foot, and then they were like, hmm, that's not enough.

572
00:34:21,445 --> 00:34:24,485
Speaker 1: We're gonna need to take your leg too. And he

573
00:34:24,605 --> 00:34:28,005
Speaker 1: got a case of the gang green and that is

574
00:34:28,125 --> 00:34:32,485
Speaker 1: essentially death of tissue caused by either loss or extreme

575
00:34:32,485 --> 00:34:36,765
Speaker 1: reduction of blood flow to an area, most likely your extremities, arms, legs,

576
00:34:36,765 --> 00:34:40,405
Speaker 1: feats and whatnot. Or it's like a bacterial infection. But

577
00:34:40,445 --> 00:34:43,245
Speaker 1: I suppose they're not mutually exclusive. I was like trying

578
00:34:43,245 --> 00:34:46,485
Speaker 1: to look up the difference between gang green and necrosis.

579
00:34:47,285 --> 00:34:49,245
Speaker 1: I was looking up the like, what the difference between

580
00:34:49,285 --> 00:34:51,685
Speaker 1: necrosis and gang green? Was, and I really it was

581
00:34:51,765 --> 00:34:54,005
Speaker 1: kind of unclear, like they're kind of they're very similar.

582
00:34:54,045 --> 00:34:55,965
Speaker 1: It's just like the death of tissue, right and one.

583
00:34:56,325 --> 00:34:58,685
Speaker 1: I think the difference is like one's buy more of

584
00:34:58,685 --> 00:35:01,365
Speaker 1: an accident and one's like kind of unnecessary. But anyway,

585
00:35:01,645 --> 00:35:04,325
Speaker 1: I accidentally looked up pictures and it is really gross.

586
00:35:04,445 --> 00:35:08,245
Speaker 1: Don't do it. Oh my gosh, Taylor, you people hate

587
00:35:08,765 --> 00:35:13,925
Speaker 1: would be and it was just black and just I

588
00:35:14,125 --> 00:35:16,525
Speaker 1: just I hated it. I hated every part of it.

589
00:35:17,125 --> 00:35:20,205
Speaker 1: That's really nasty. Yeah, did you know that feet is

590
00:35:20,245 --> 00:35:23,845
Speaker 1: the third most eroticized part of your body after the

591
00:35:23,885 --> 00:35:27,725
Speaker 1: sex organs. I mean, I'm not surprised. I'm really gross,

592
00:35:27,765 --> 00:35:30,965
Speaker 1: like more than titties. Well, I think titties count as

593
00:35:30,965 --> 00:35:36,245
Speaker 1: a sex organ, but would do that, I think? Or

594
00:35:36,765 --> 00:35:40,405
Speaker 1: so it's like vagina penis, I get it, and then

595
00:35:41,005 --> 00:35:44,245
Speaker 1: and then feet or or titties might be after our feet. Actually,

596
00:35:44,565 --> 00:35:47,765
Speaker 1: if we're sex organs, it's one of those. It's one

597
00:35:47,805 --> 00:35:52,205
Speaker 1: of those. Basically, feet are extremely eroticized that people like

598
00:35:52,285 --> 00:35:55,245
Speaker 1: are making money off of feet picks. God, I wish

599
00:35:55,245 --> 00:35:58,565
Speaker 1: that was me. Okay, anyway, so Jack is not doing

600
00:35:58,605 --> 00:36:00,445
Speaker 1: so hot. He's like I'm going to take care of

601
00:36:00,445 --> 00:36:03,365
Speaker 1: my company, so says you didn't get married or have

602
00:36:03,445 --> 00:36:06,645
Speaker 1: kids of his own. He had some nephew. Oh he

603
00:36:06,725 --> 00:36:08,245
Speaker 1: was like the youngest of ten, so surely he had

604
00:36:08,245 --> 00:36:10,565
Speaker 1: a lot of nieces and nephews. But um, he handed

605
00:36:10,605 --> 00:36:13,405
Speaker 1: his business over to his favorite nephews to take care

606
00:36:13,485 --> 00:36:17,365
Speaker 1: of the place. And as you and Matt can imagine,

607
00:36:18,085 --> 00:36:20,885
Speaker 1: poor old Jack Daniels met his demise, succumbing to the

608
00:36:20,885 --> 00:36:23,525
Speaker 1: Gang Green at the ripe age of sixty one on

609
00:36:23,645 --> 00:36:27,405
Speaker 1: August tenth, nineteen eleven. It is said that he could

610
00:36:27,405 --> 00:36:29,805
Speaker 1: have solved the whole thing if he just dipped his

611
00:36:29,885 --> 00:36:32,885
Speaker 1: toe in his own elixir, which I don't know if

612
00:36:32,925 --> 00:36:38,165
Speaker 1: that's true, but oh that's tragic though, that's ironic, but

613
00:36:38,205 --> 00:36:41,045
Speaker 1: that would be the secret. Jack Daniels recipe is just

614
00:36:41,085 --> 00:36:46,045
Speaker 1: a little bit of gang Green, you know. Oh my gosh,

615
00:36:46,085 --> 00:36:49,405
Speaker 1: my gosh. No, it's actually the well, it's about like

616
00:36:49,445 --> 00:36:53,205
Speaker 1: the filtration actually is like charcoal and like some stuff. Anyway,

617
00:36:53,765 --> 00:36:57,525
Speaker 1: But Jack Daniels went out with some wise words. Do

618
00:36:57,525 --> 00:37:01,685
Speaker 1: you want to hear what his last words were? Yeah? Oh,

619
00:37:01,685 --> 00:37:05,925
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, okay, okay, he says, Old Jasp says,

620
00:37:06,325 --> 00:37:15,325
Speaker 1: one last drink, please, he said he wanted one last drink.

621
00:37:15,525 --> 00:37:17,765
Speaker 1: No word if he actually got his last drink, but

622
00:37:18,205 --> 00:37:20,085
Speaker 1: I absolutely love this. He was like, I just need

623
00:37:20,125 --> 00:37:23,565
Speaker 1: another drink. He was a huge whiskey lover, huge whiskey fan.

624
00:37:23,605 --> 00:37:27,205
Speaker 1: It was his passion. And so yeah, that's the story

625
00:37:27,245 --> 00:37:31,485
Speaker 1: of how Jack Daniels came about and went out of

626
00:37:31,565 --> 00:37:36,605
Speaker 1: this world. So there you go. I genuinely don't know

627
00:37:36,645 --> 00:37:40,965
Speaker 1: if I've ever had Jack Daniels whiskey what You probably

628
00:37:41,005 --> 00:37:43,605
Speaker 1: had it by accident. I was gonna say, yeah, probably

629
00:37:43,605 --> 00:37:47,445
Speaker 1: by accident, but never like intentionally tasting the flavors. Just

630
00:37:47,525 --> 00:37:49,325
Speaker 1: kind of like the one year that I was a

631
00:37:49,325 --> 00:37:54,285
Speaker 1: little bit bananas and just wanted shots to get drunk

632
00:37:54,285 --> 00:37:58,045
Speaker 1: and not to actually taste anything. Literally, Well, that's when

633
00:37:58,085 --> 00:38:00,365
Speaker 1: you would have had it for sure. Okay, that makes

634
00:38:00,405 --> 00:38:05,925
Speaker 1: more sense. In Atlanta, that is like people's shot of choice.

635
00:38:06,365 --> 00:38:12,845
Speaker 1: It's usually like Jamison act. Actually, all right, Taylor, stop

636
00:38:12,925 --> 00:38:18,485
Speaker 1: getting us off track. I'm sorry, you know, Taylor and alcohol,

637
00:38:19,005 --> 00:38:22,445
Speaker 1: that's really not that off Okay, but I gotta wrap

638
00:38:22,485 --> 00:38:23,805
Speaker 1: it up so that then we can go to the

639
00:38:23,805 --> 00:38:30,965
Speaker 1: next section. Okay, oh wow, Okay, that was a great story, Taylor.

640
00:38:31,045 --> 00:38:33,605
Speaker 1: You did a terrific job with that one. Um, when

641
00:38:33,605 --> 00:38:37,325
Speaker 1: we come back, we're gonna talk about you know, some silly,

642
00:38:37,445 --> 00:38:43,485
Speaker 1: silly people who stole some whiskey. And yeah, we're right back. Heck,

643
00:38:47,205 --> 00:38:50,925
Speaker 1: oh we're back at Abergails. Here we are. Um wait,

644
00:38:50,965 --> 00:38:55,085
Speaker 1: our stories today are about podcasts that have died. Yeah,

645
00:38:55,085 --> 00:38:57,885
Speaker 1: they are about podcasts who have died. It's like it's

646
00:38:57,885 --> 00:39:05,085
Speaker 1: because it's like, um cadaver inception. Oh yeah, that conception.

647
00:39:06,965 --> 00:39:10,645
Speaker 1: See what's happening is the previous tangent I went on

648
00:39:10,725 --> 00:39:13,325
Speaker 1: was about a podcast that didn't end up working out.

649
00:39:13,645 --> 00:39:16,245
Speaker 1: But another podcast of ours that didn't end up working

650
00:39:16,245 --> 00:39:20,525
Speaker 1: out is we wanted to do a podcast about Pappy Gate,

651
00:39:21,325 --> 00:39:25,245
Speaker 1: which happened back in you know, twenty fifteen ish. Uh

652
00:39:25,405 --> 00:39:29,125
Speaker 1: and but unfortunately we never no one ever got back

653
00:39:29,125 --> 00:39:32,325
Speaker 1: to us. And the reason why is because a Netflix

654
00:39:32,365 --> 00:39:36,845
Speaker 1: anthology was released recently and it is featured in this.

655
00:39:36,885 --> 00:39:39,205
Speaker 1: So I understand it. I mean Netflix does have a

656
00:39:39,205 --> 00:39:41,605
Speaker 1: lot of clout, you know, so I totally get if

657
00:39:41,645 --> 00:39:45,165
Speaker 1: they wanted to go with Netflix. Okay, I understand, But

658
00:39:45,405 --> 00:39:49,645
Speaker 1: Pappy Gate. Do you guys know what Pappy van Winkle is?

659
00:39:49,925 --> 00:39:52,765
Speaker 1: I literally, yeah? Is that the guy who slept for

660
00:39:52,805 --> 00:39:54,725
Speaker 1: a very long time and then woke up with a

661
00:39:54,765 --> 00:40:00,805
Speaker 1: big beard and oh that's rip rip okay, gotcha, but

662
00:40:02,445 --> 00:40:07,245
Speaker 1: similar names he makes Burt it's bourbon, and yeah it's

663
00:40:07,285 --> 00:40:12,485
Speaker 1: really expensive and really delicious. Yeah. So Pappy van Winkle

664
00:40:12,765 --> 00:40:16,125
Speaker 1: is kind of fake though, because it's like basically with

665
00:40:16,205 --> 00:40:19,005
Speaker 1: the whiskey industry, it was like popular in like the

666
00:40:19,045 --> 00:40:23,205
Speaker 1: sixties and seventies, but then afterwards people just started drinking

667
00:40:23,285 --> 00:40:26,085
Speaker 1: like fruity drinks, which I'm like, yeah, fruity drinks are great,

668
00:40:26,605 --> 00:40:29,245
Speaker 1: So it was more like a vodka rum tequila scene.

669
00:40:29,605 --> 00:40:31,925
Speaker 1: But it wasn't until I think it was like the

670
00:40:32,005 --> 00:40:36,925
Speaker 1: early two thousands or so, where some whiskey was becoming

671
00:40:36,965 --> 00:40:39,125
Speaker 1: more popular. And then I think we all remember the

672
00:40:39,205 --> 00:40:45,045
Speaker 1: hipster era where craft bourbon, craft whiskey was super popular

673
00:40:45,085 --> 00:40:47,845
Speaker 1: and everyone was sipping on and everyone was like, yeah,

674
00:40:48,565 --> 00:40:51,965
Speaker 1: whiskey down God or whatever. So Pappy van Winkle is

675
00:40:51,965 --> 00:40:55,605
Speaker 1: it interesting because it is very It is notoriously hard

676
00:40:55,645 --> 00:40:58,045
Speaker 1: to find. Usually if you find it in a story,

677
00:40:58,045 --> 00:40:59,845
Speaker 1: it goes for like three hundred dollars. But then there's

678
00:40:59,885 --> 00:41:02,205
Speaker 1: also like the whiskey black market, where some people have

679
00:41:02,285 --> 00:41:05,205
Speaker 1: bought it for like thousands of dollars because people are dumb.

680
00:41:05,565 --> 00:41:08,285
Speaker 1: It's like, it's also funny because a lot of Pappy

681
00:41:08,325 --> 00:41:11,565
Speaker 1: van I think it's a lot of hype because like

682
00:41:11,645 --> 00:41:15,725
Speaker 1: this whiskey didn't exist until like two thousand and five.

683
00:41:15,805 --> 00:41:18,085
Speaker 1: Like the way they market it, it it seems like it's

684
00:41:18,085 --> 00:41:21,285
Speaker 1: been around forever. I mean, it's like aged a lot

685
00:41:21,365 --> 00:41:23,765
Speaker 1: of years. But it's kind of just like I feel

686
00:41:23,765 --> 00:41:25,485
Speaker 1: like this is a lot with whiskey brands and like

687
00:41:25,525 --> 00:41:27,765
Speaker 1: Craft Whiskey is a lot of it's just like really

688
00:41:28,885 --> 00:41:32,445
Speaker 1: good marketing and it's trying to like hype itself up.

689
00:41:32,565 --> 00:41:35,205
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like, I mean not brag. I've

690
00:41:35,205 --> 00:41:37,965
Speaker 1: had Pappy before and it's fine. You know, it's not

691
00:41:38,245 --> 00:41:41,085
Speaker 1: like the best. It just they just make it seem

692
00:41:41,125 --> 00:41:43,485
Speaker 1: like it's cool because it's rare and was aged a

693
00:41:43,485 --> 00:41:45,645
Speaker 1: long time, which doesn't necessarily mean it's a good whiskey.

694
00:41:45,765 --> 00:41:48,685
Speaker 1: So I'm just like super alt and not really that

695
00:41:48,765 --> 00:41:52,965
Speaker 1: into it. So but there is this guy, Okay, so

696
00:41:53,125 --> 00:41:58,405
Speaker 1: Pappy Gate. What had happened is in the late nineteen eighties,

697
00:41:58,525 --> 00:42:02,605
Speaker 1: this guy named Gilbert Toby Kurt Singer. He goes by Toby.

698
00:42:03,045 --> 00:42:07,485
Speaker 1: He started working at the Flow Trace distillery and he,

699
00:42:07,605 --> 00:42:09,285
Speaker 1: you know, had a really good career there, had like

700
00:42:09,445 --> 00:42:11,125
Speaker 1: was doing a lot of different jobs from like you know,

701
00:42:11,165 --> 00:42:13,805
Speaker 1: managing the distillery to like you know, doing all the

702
00:42:13,965 --> 00:42:16,885
Speaker 1: sorts of stuff with the business, and saw sort of

703
00:42:16,965 --> 00:42:18,765
Speaker 1: like a typical sort of thing that people would do

704
00:42:18,885 --> 00:42:20,165
Speaker 1: was like at the end of your work day, yeah,

705
00:42:20,205 --> 00:42:22,805
Speaker 1: to take a couple of bottles of whiskey home, which

706
00:42:22,845 --> 00:42:24,365
Speaker 1: that seems like a lot of whiskey, but you know,

707
00:42:24,365 --> 00:42:26,845
Speaker 1: that was like kind of a normal thing. But he

708
00:42:27,085 --> 00:42:30,165
Speaker 1: ended up, you know, taking a few more bottles home

709
00:42:30,405 --> 00:42:33,885
Speaker 1: and he started selling them, and he was like, oh,

710
00:42:33,925 --> 00:42:37,045
Speaker 1: this is kind of lucrative. So he ended up creating

711
00:42:37,125 --> 00:42:41,325
Speaker 1: a whole Okay, I was gonna say he started making

712
00:42:41,325 --> 00:42:43,685
Speaker 1: a whole whiskey sailing ring, but that makes it sound

713
00:42:43,685 --> 00:42:45,645
Speaker 1: too fancy. I think he was just a guy who

714
00:42:45,685 --> 00:42:47,005
Speaker 1: like worked at a place and was like, oh, I

715
00:42:47,045 --> 00:42:51,325
Speaker 1: can take these bottles easily. And he had he got

716
00:42:51,325 --> 00:42:54,045
Speaker 1: a bunch of like distributors. And by distributors, I mean

717
00:42:54,245 --> 00:42:59,405
Speaker 1: he started kind of working with members of his softball team,

718
00:42:59,965 --> 00:43:03,245
Speaker 1: okay too. Sort of he would take whiskey from the

719
00:43:03,245 --> 00:43:05,805
Speaker 1: distillery and then he would sell it and burst it

720
00:43:05,885 --> 00:43:08,125
Speaker 1: amongst his softball team, and then they would sell to

721
00:43:08,165 --> 00:43:10,005
Speaker 1: other people. And there's some other people involved, like his

722
00:43:10,045 --> 00:43:12,325
Speaker 1: wife and his father in law, and I think there

723
00:43:12,365 --> 00:43:14,285
Speaker 1: was even a police officer that was kind of involved

724
00:43:14,285 --> 00:43:20,365
Speaker 1: in this ring because he was specifically taking Pappy van Winkle. Yeah.

725
00:43:20,405 --> 00:43:23,605
Speaker 1: He so he took rare riskies like pap van Winkle

726
00:43:24,205 --> 00:43:26,565
Speaker 1: and other types of whiskies and then they would you know,

727
00:43:26,645 --> 00:43:33,565
Speaker 1: resell them on this you know softball gang. What Yeah,

728
00:43:33,605 --> 00:43:36,285
Speaker 1: when was this? What year was this? Sorry? So? And

729
00:43:36,565 --> 00:43:39,765
Speaker 1: this was in I think they said he started doing

730
00:43:39,765 --> 00:43:42,005
Speaker 1: this maybe in the early two thousands, but it was

731
00:43:42,045 --> 00:43:45,805
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen where the distillery finally actually you know,

732
00:43:45,805 --> 00:43:48,725
Speaker 1: complained and realized, hey, we are missing two hundred bottles

733
00:43:48,725 --> 00:43:51,845
Speaker 1: of Pappy van Winkle. Wow. Oh So at this point

734
00:43:51,845 --> 00:43:53,805
Speaker 1: police were like what And so they you know, talked

735
00:43:53,805 --> 00:43:56,045
Speaker 1: to a lot of employees. They couldn't figure it out

736
00:43:56,525 --> 00:43:59,725
Speaker 1: until in twenty fifteen, they got an anonymous tip that

737
00:44:00,205 --> 00:44:04,085
Speaker 1: this guy, Toby someone had spotted in his backyard multiple

738
00:44:04,125 --> 00:44:09,525
Speaker 1: barrels that had and spray painted black, and so the

739
00:44:09,565 --> 00:44:11,965
Speaker 1: cops went over there. They did a raid that was

740
00:44:12,005 --> 00:44:14,285
Speaker 1: apparently like very casual. It was just like the most

741
00:44:14,325 --> 00:44:16,765
Speaker 1: casual raids where they just went in they're like, yeah,

742
00:44:16,765 --> 00:44:18,725
Speaker 1: there's the barrels, and then Toby was out on the

743
00:44:18,725 --> 00:44:22,685
Speaker 1: porch just being like, yeah, I stole those what whatever.

744
00:44:23,365 --> 00:44:26,005
Speaker 1: But they were they were actually those barrels weren't from

745
00:44:26,045 --> 00:44:29,325
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Trace distillery. Those were from the Wild Turkey Distillery.

746
00:44:29,485 --> 00:44:31,245
Speaker 1: So you know, I guess he had moved his operation

747
00:44:31,365 --> 00:44:34,365
Speaker 1: to you know, like other distilleries too, and they found

748
00:44:34,445 --> 00:44:37,245
Speaker 1: like of those barrels that was probably worth you know,

749
00:44:37,285 --> 00:44:39,685
Speaker 1: like thirty thousand dollars or something like that, and that

750
00:44:39,765 --> 00:44:42,325
Speaker 1: was just you know, one one raid on his thing.

751
00:44:42,725 --> 00:44:45,445
Speaker 1: But yeah, obviously you know, uh, Pabby van Winkle is

752
00:44:45,485 --> 00:44:48,845
Speaker 1: a little bit more valuable than that. So there they

753
00:44:48,845 --> 00:44:52,085
Speaker 1: were estimating in total over his uh you know, buff

754
00:44:52,325 --> 00:44:55,045
Speaker 1: his Buffalo Trace smuggling that he might have you know,

755
00:44:55,125 --> 00:44:57,805
Speaker 1: ended up you know, stealing like one hundred thousand dollars

756
00:44:57,845 --> 00:45:02,165
Speaker 1: worth of whiskey redistributing it. That's a lot. Yeah, but

757
00:45:02,245 --> 00:45:04,245
Speaker 1: you know it's kind of like not that much. You know,

758
00:45:04,365 --> 00:45:06,485
Speaker 1: it just seems like this was like a casual thing

759
00:45:06,525 --> 00:45:08,765
Speaker 1: he was doing that got out of hand, you know,

760
00:45:08,925 --> 00:45:11,925
Speaker 1: just like taken too many paper clips from the office.

761
00:45:11,965 --> 00:45:14,605
Speaker 1: Soon you have like a whole paper clip deficit, you know,

762
00:45:15,285 --> 00:45:17,685
Speaker 1: but it's whiskey because that's the supplies they have at

763
00:45:17,725 --> 00:45:22,125
Speaker 1: the distillery. Instead of stapling, they just dump whiskey on things. Great.

764
00:45:23,325 --> 00:45:26,605
Speaker 1: But yeah, so in he was caught and then in

765
00:45:26,605 --> 00:45:30,005
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen he pleaded guilty. There's a bunch of other people.

766
00:45:30,005 --> 00:45:32,325
Speaker 1: It was like a racketeering case, and a bunch of

767
00:45:32,325 --> 00:45:34,965
Speaker 1: other people were indicted, but no one was sentenced to

768
00:45:35,045 --> 00:45:38,965
Speaker 1: time except for Toby. He was sentenced to fifteen years

769
00:45:39,205 --> 00:45:44,445
Speaker 1: in prison. Wow, for one hundred thousand dollars estimated stolen product.

770
00:45:45,285 --> 00:45:47,845
Speaker 1: But you know, because it wasn't a violent crime and

771
00:45:47,925 --> 00:45:49,965
Speaker 1: he was the first time offender. In twenty eighteen, he

772
00:45:50,045 --> 00:45:52,525
Speaker 1: was released from prison and he's been on parole. He's

773
00:45:52,565 --> 00:45:55,685
Speaker 1: going to be on parole until twenty twenty three, and

774
00:45:55,805 --> 00:45:58,685
Speaker 1: also got his Netflix documentary, So good for him. Hopefully

775
00:45:58,685 --> 00:46:01,205
Speaker 1: he got some money for that, you know, because apparently,

776
00:46:01,245 --> 00:46:04,365
Speaker 1: you know, he's really been struggling. Obviously, he was fired

777
00:46:04,525 --> 00:46:09,005
Speaker 1: from the distiller. Yes, obviously he was fired, and so

778
00:46:09,165 --> 00:46:14,245
Speaker 1: true support his family. He's been painting houses apparently, So yeah,

779
00:46:14,285 --> 00:46:17,085
Speaker 1: this doesn't seem like it was this big mastermind plan.

780
00:46:17,405 --> 00:46:20,525
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, and he said, like he hasn't really

781
00:46:20,565 --> 00:46:22,725
Speaker 1: spoken to the media that much, but the times that

782
00:46:22,765 --> 00:46:26,125
Speaker 1: he has, he's always like, I'm sorry for what I did,

783
00:46:26,165 --> 00:46:28,365
Speaker 1: but I wasn't exactly I mean kind of exactly what

784
00:46:28,405 --> 00:46:30,885
Speaker 1: you said. He's like, I wasn't a mastermind. I wasn't

785
00:46:30,925 --> 00:46:35,325
Speaker 1: like some brilliant like gangster stealing whiskey or whatever, or

786
00:46:35,365 --> 00:46:39,325
Speaker 1: like bootlegging, like you know, he wasn't even bootlegging at all,

787
00:46:39,485 --> 00:46:41,485
Speaker 1: you know, and like that's obviously a huge part of

788
00:46:41,525 --> 00:46:46,485
Speaker 1: like whiskey history. But yeah, so I really do feel

789
00:46:46,525 --> 00:46:49,565
Speaker 1: like it was it's not as it is fun It

790
00:46:49,645 --> 00:46:52,685
Speaker 1: is funny. It is funny, but it's also you know,

791
00:46:52,725 --> 00:46:55,885
Speaker 1: it wasn't it's I guess it's like sometimes you know,

792
00:46:56,005 --> 00:46:58,885
Speaker 1: that fine line between like when do you become a criminal?

793
00:46:58,885 --> 00:47:01,565
Speaker 1: Actually that's why he was doing this over like two decades,

794
00:47:01,605 --> 00:47:05,085
Speaker 1: so you know whatever. So that's the story of Toby

795
00:47:05,085 --> 00:47:07,165
Speaker 1: and PAPPI game. Great. Now you don't have to watch

796
00:47:07,245 --> 00:47:09,485
Speaker 1: the Netflix series. I think you did a really great job.

797
00:47:09,525 --> 00:47:13,685
Speaker 1: So don't even worry about Netflix. Yeah, don't even worry

798
00:47:13,725 --> 00:47:15,685
Speaker 1: about Netflix. You don't even have to look at it.

799
00:47:16,325 --> 00:47:22,565
Speaker 1: Look at it. Yeah, um, yeah, I scooped Netflix because

800
00:47:22,565 --> 00:47:28,405
Speaker 1: it came out I scooped him. All right, Um, well,

801
00:47:28,485 --> 00:47:31,285
Speaker 1: this has been another episode of Cadaver Gaws and we're

802
00:47:31,325 --> 00:47:37,005
Speaker 1: so happy that you've listened thus far. And if you haven't, uh,

803
00:47:37,045 --> 00:47:42,765
Speaker 1: may you not get any whiskey? Just god? Is that

804
00:47:42,845 --> 00:47:47,685
Speaker 1: a threat? Be careful our own bodies of water, is

805
00:47:47,685 --> 00:47:50,565
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna say. Yeah, especially if you're drunk on

806
00:47:50,645 --> 00:47:59,125
Speaker 1: whisky or a white claw. Truly truly noted. O. All right,

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Speaker 1: this is cadaver Gals. We'll talk at you next week. Argal.

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Speaker 1: Cadaver Gals is a production of School of Humans and iHeartRadio.

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00:48:19,605 --> 00:48:23,205
Speaker 1: It is hosted and all the things by me, Gabby Watts,

810
00:48:23,245 --> 00:48:26,765
Speaker 1: Nika Duarte, and Taylor Church. You can follow us on

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00:48:26,805 --> 00:48:32,525
Speaker 1: the internet on Twitter and Instagram at cadaver Gals. Also,

812
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Speaker 1: you can subscribe and review us, but only if you're

813
00:48:37,005 --> 00:48:40,005
Speaker 1: going to say something nice. But if you don't, that's

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00:48:40,045 --> 00:48:43,645
Speaker 1: fine too. We're secure in ourselves and everything is perfect. Okay. Bye,