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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Some arrests have been made

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Speaker 1: in Minneapolis DOJ moving on the deprivation of rights, civil

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Speaker 1: rights crime against Christians gathered together who did not need

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Speaker 1: to be shouted at by maniacs about immigration enforcement while

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Speaker 1: we're trying to worship God. We'll dive into this with

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Speaker 1: our friend Orrin McIntyre. Now you'll know him from the

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Speaker 1: or McIntyre show. He is with the Blaze and he

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Speaker 1: joins me. Now, so these initial arrests, what's your first

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Speaker 1: take on this? Are you feeling like this was the

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Speaker 1: right move? Are you concerned US is going to get

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Speaker 1: swatted down? Take me through your thinking on the initial

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Speaker 1: slap down of the street communists in Minneapolis here, Well.

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Speaker 2: I think this is absolutely critical. We've all seen the

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Speaker 2: way that the justice system worked under the Biden administration.

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Speaker 2: It was obviously a two tier system. Conservatives had basically

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Speaker 2: no rights. The left got away with everything. We look

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Speaker 2: at what happened with the J six and all the

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Speaker 2: ridiculous prosecutions under the Face Act. When it came to

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Speaker 2: different pro life protesters and that kind of thing. So

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Speaker 2: it was critical that the Trump administration take whatever opportunity

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Speaker 2: it had to kind of give that feedback, give that pushback,

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Speaker 2: let the left know, no, you have to play by

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Speaker 2: the rules too. There will be consequences for what you do.

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Speaker 2: And I was very happy to see them actually convert that.

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Speaker 2: Many people worried, especially that Pam Bondi hasn't been so

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Speaker 2: great with handing out, you know, some of those convictions

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, looking for those charges

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Speaker 2: of people we think that ultimately should be going to jail.

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Speaker 2: So it was very encouraging to see them do this

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Speaker 2: and do it in a relatively timely manner. Remember, you know,

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Speaker 2: they have to go through the federal court system. It

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Speaker 2: was MLK Day right after this happened, so you know,

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Speaker 2: you basically just had a day or two between the

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Speaker 2: actual event opening of the courts and then the you know,

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Speaker 2: the indictments being handed down. So I think that was

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Speaker 2: really important. It's also critical that they leaders of Black

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Speaker 2: Lives Matter movements, that kind of thing. They're hitting very

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Speaker 2: important people. The one person that they haven't gotten so

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Speaker 2: far is apparently Don Lemon. It looks like they did

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Speaker 2: enter the case for that, they did request that go

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Speaker 2: before a grand jury, but the judge refused to sign

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Speaker 2: off on it. So it looks like we have another

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Speaker 2: rogue judge basically protecting Don Lemon and his criminal acts.

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Speaker 2: I really hope that the administration goes after him as well,

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Speaker 2: they try to find different avenues. Don Leman absolutely deserves

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Speaker 2: to be in jail. All of these people should face

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Speaker 2: serious jail time. The face or the rather the conspiracy

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Speaker 2: to prevent rights to the KKK Act that they are

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Speaker 2: being prosecuted under has a maximum penalty of ten years.

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Speaker 2: Many j sixers received several years in prison for what

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Speaker 2: they did and would have served many more had they

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Speaker 2: not had their sentences commuted. So I think this is

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Speaker 2: a great action. I don't know where this will all

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Speaker 2: go in the courts. Obviously, you can't predict what any

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Speaker 2: given judge or jury will ultimately decide any of these cases.

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Speaker 2: But I think it was critical for the administration to

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Speaker 2: take action, and I think this is a huge win

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Speaker 1: The administration has shown a particular doggedness with the issue

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Speaker 1: of these ice operations, which I'm very pleased to see

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Speaker 1: because in the past, I think, or going back to

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Speaker 1: the first administration, first Trump administration, there were some unfortunate

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration changed that policy, and then the Left

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Speaker 1: was emboldened by all of this. To me, it has

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Speaker 1: become clear that if we can't enforce the laws when

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Democrat position is de facto everybody gets

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Left has made this an existential issue honestly

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Speaker 2: They need this large amount of people to come in

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Speaker 2: In fact, the left has laid this out many times.

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Speaker 2: The Great Replacement is not some conspiracy theory. It's literally

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Speaker 2: something that the left celebrates on a regular basis. Hey,

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Speaker 2: we're getting rid of all those white Republican voters. Look

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Speaker 2: you know, a brown and it's going to vote Democrat.

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Speaker 2: They just they cheer about it all the time, and

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Speaker 2: so it's very clear to them that they need to

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Speaker 2: have these borders open. They don't want to enforce the law.

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Speaker 2: They want to have the scams. They want to have

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Speaker 2: the voter fraud. That's what they're looking to do. So

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Speaker 2: when they see Ice coming in and actually taking action,

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Speaker 2: really doing the deportations, really pushing to end the fraud,

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Speaker 2: and they are going to the streets over this. This

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Speaker 2: they don't continue this. So both sides are really fighting

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Speaker 1: Where do you see this going as it pertains to

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Speaker 1: the mid terms? I mean, if the Trump administration stays

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Speaker 1: it was clearly immigration enforcements clearly a winning issue in

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Speaker 1: the result of the election showed that after ten million

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Speaker 1: the narrative around ice being so rough all this stuff

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Speaker 1: is actually turning more Americans against this speaking this purely

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Speaker 1: very loudly about how many of these people are actually

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Speaker 2: I think for the American public there's an initial shock because,

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Speaker 2: of course, the left is very good at propaganda. They

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Speaker 2: control the media. They often control the narrative and the framing,

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Speaker 2: so they're putting out a lot of propaganda about a

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Speaker 2: lot of lies. About what ICE is doing. A lot

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Speaker 2: But by the time they get debunked, the people have

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Speaker 2: conducting these operations. However, I think that what we saw,

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Speaker 2: strength is key. When Trump came out of the gate,

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Speaker 2: that while there is an initial shock for some people

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Speaker 2: watching the deportations happen, I think if you continue to deliver,

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Speaker 2: and you make your case, and you show the positive

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Speaker 2: you also highlight things like the storming of the church

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Speaker 2: It shows that really these people are not just interested

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Speaker 2: Like that's the way that they treat godly christ fearing Americans.

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Speaker 2: You cannot have that out there and think that that's

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Speaker 2: I do think that if they stay on top of this,

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Speaker 2: it's going to win. But either way, even if the

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Speaker 2: politics were bad, what are the midterms for, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: what do we even want control of the government to

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Speaker 2: do this? Right Like, if we can't do this with

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Speaker 2: It ultimately doesn't matter what happens with the midterms, that's

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Speaker 1: Actually you used to be a public school teacher, right, yep, absolutely, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So what was your first thought when you saw that

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Speaker 1: there's the shooting, the ice shooting in Minneapolis, and then

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Speaker 1: they just like the like the teachers' unions or whatever,

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Speaker 1: what is that all about?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's a they're political foot soldiers. Let's be really clear.

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Speaker 2: The reason that they canceled school had nothing to do

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Speaker 2: They are going to go out there, they're going to march,

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Speaker 2: violent aspects of that protest. You put the children, the students,

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Speaker 2: you have the violent guys, the black Block, the Antifa

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Speaker 2: So make my mistake, it had absolutely nothing to do

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Speaker 1: Yep, I'm not a surprise there. I just thought it'd

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Speaker 1: It's very straightforward. It's like, oh, no, we need people

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Speaker 1: Just I'm curious about your take on Trump and Greenland

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Speaker 1: to the degree that I feel like you're generally a

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Speaker 2: Like you said, I am more of a domestic policy guy.

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Speaker 2: I would prefer that we kind of looked more inward

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Speaker 2: the global hedgemond. You still have to keep an eye

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Speaker 2: he said something, Yes, of course he did. He's negotiating.

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Speaker 2: He's not giving you the first offer. He's going to

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Speaker 2: we're going to control it, what he's really doing is

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Speaker 2: to be a cash deal. We're not going to invade,

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Speaker 2: you open up the howitzers so we can fight, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm glad we're focusing in places like Venezuela and Greenland

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Speaker 2: As an alumni. Yeah, yeah, I know.

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Speaker 1: I'm following your Yeah. Man, hey, you're you're in a

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