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Speaker 2: get guy involved. But who I want to introduce today

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Speaker 2: and I's going to read it straight up is Susan

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Speaker 2: Tate Anthony out of Portland, Organ Okay, is the author

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Speaker 2: of non fiction World War Two history books, including American

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Speaker 2: Flag Girl and The Girl and the Bambadere. A former educator,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Susan Tate Ankeny. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Rad. That's quite an introduction, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I had to just like keep it condensed,

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Speaker 2: right because first of all, you know this totally will

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Speaker 2: are going to be talking about. Ear publicist, and is like, Rad,

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Speaker 2: please check this book out, send it to me. I

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Speaker 2: was reading about it. How could you not love anything

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Speaker 2: But yet here they go off to war, right, and

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Speaker 2: talk to me about Hazel ying Lee, who you have

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Speaker 2: written about, who is the first female licensed pilot, first

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Speaker 2: And I want you to tell me how was that

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Speaker 2: going on? What was going on? What made wow? Tell

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, and I'm not sure, I'm not

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Speaker 3: woman to receive pilot's license. Everything else you were right on.

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Speaker 3: She was the first Asian American woman to fly with

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Speaker 3: Yes, the book was released April twenty third, last week,

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Speaker 2: Great, that's perfect because she needs to have her story.

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Speaker 3: Not ignored, right right, and it has been holy cow.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, why not? I mean, but I'm not trying

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Speaker 2: to give away your book. There's so much I want

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Speaker 2: go get American flag geirls support, you know, women authors

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Speaker 2: And so boy, I just like that. She's she's pretty

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Speaker 3: Exactly? I mean she was way cooler than I am.

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Speaker 3: maybe I'm wrong, but you know, women do tend to

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Speaker 2: That's really cool. Now, what made you how okay, okay,

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Speaker 3: She didn't read books, she didn't really trust books.

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Speaker 2: Why not. I mean, it's just brain food, you know,

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Speaker 2: own imagination. Now you're really writing about somebody's life, though,

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Speaker 3: Right, That's all Hazel wanted to She wanted to defend

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Speaker 3: they pretended to be German. They had or excuse me, French,

431
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 3: they had false identification that they had to hold out

432
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 3: to guards and one question and it would have been

433
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 3: all over for them. Yes, it was a harrowing journey

434
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 3: across the credit. Your father, yes, yes, my father.

435
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 2: And then he comes home and they're you come around, right,

436
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: I'd imagine not for a.

437
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 3: While, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

438
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 2: Say that right, yeah yeah right, because dads World War two.

439
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so he had many many health issues. For

440
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 3: you know, it was over fifteen years before I came along,

441
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 3: and he was in pretty bad shape. You know, he

442
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 3: was in and out of facility. Yes, yes, yes, facilities

443
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 3: of back pain. He became so arthritic he couldn't walk.

444
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 3: My mother carried him around. He was a little tiny man,

445
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 3: but yeah, we love all Irish mom. Yeah, so yes.

446
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: I came along later and he started telling me about

447
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 3: what happened to him. Someone asked me one time, how

448
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 3: old were you? I just always he always told me.

449
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I must have been very young, probably too young.

450
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 3: And he would cry when he'd talk about the people

451
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 3: who saved his life and what they risked to save him,

452
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 3: and you know, the remorse he felt for surviving when

453
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 3: you know, even the co pilot in his plane didn't

454
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 3: didn't survive, and he'd cry, and that that really got

455
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 3: my attention. You know, I adored my dad, and seeing

456
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 3: him cry and telling the story. I knew when I

457
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 3: was little, this is a big deal. You know, something

458
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 3: really big happened to my dad.

459
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then you just decided to take that chapter

460
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: book inside your brain to put it into a book

461
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 2: for your dad. And did he get a chance to

462
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,479
Speaker 2: read your book or didn't?

463
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 3: He didn't, And I'm so sad. I didn't ever want

464
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 3: to write it. I knew it, but I wanted him

465
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 3: to write it, and I kept being after him and

466
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 3: he wrote a lot of it. I mean, I'm thankful

467
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: because again I could use that too in my book

468
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 3: that when I wrote, but his heart just wasn't in it.

469
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 3: He wasn't a live in the past kind of person,

470
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 3: especially as he got older. And so when he died,

471
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 3: I was like, I've got to write the story, you

472
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 3: know now it's it's my story and if I don't

473
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 3: tell it, nobody will. So it serious came to me,

474
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 3: and I'm glad. I mean, he would have loved that

475
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: I wrote it, but he also I don't know he

476
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 3: loved me anyway, you know what I mean.

477
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 2: Way to keep that, way to keep the legacy alive.

478
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: That's what you've done. You've just immortalized it. Really yeah,

479
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 2: you know, because now we can type it into the internet.

480
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: It'll always be there as long as the internet's around.

481
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 2: You never thought about that's going to be around for

482
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: Lucktive the digital Diaries.

483
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 3: Well, I did it for the Van Layers and all

484
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 3: the people who saved you, because they are really the

485
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 3: unsung heroes in this. And when we went to France,

486
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 3: we were treated like royalty. My French was not great,

487
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 3: and their English was not great, and I sometimes thought,

488
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 3: I think they have me confused. I think they thought

489
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 3: that like we were in World War two or something

490
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 3: because of the way they were so grateful to Americans

491
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 3: help in their freedom that they have now they still

492
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 3: are liberation, Yes, yes.

493
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: I mean, how can you not be glad to be

494
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: liberating from that situation?

495
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 3: Well, how can we even imagine, you know what I mean?

496
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 2: We can't speaking German.

497
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: Right right, and these you know, well we sing the

498
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 3: praises of the airmen, and yes, rightly so, but these

499
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 3: people also are and they were farmers, you know, they

500
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 3: were unarmed farmers, just.

501
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 2: Human beings, yes on earth, Yes, try just to live

502
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 2: and eat their food and have a family. And just

503
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: you know, they just happened to speak mercy to our

504
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 2: friends and friends. Yes, yes, to them for what they've

505
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: done to your father, for your father and on their behalf.

506
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: That's very awesome. You know. I know a lot of

507
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: folks go over to like Normandy and deal a lot

508
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: of tours with you know, those that are still around,

509
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 2: and that's starting to get a little bit less and

510
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: less each year and less Normandy.

511
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 3: It's incredible, all those beaches if anyone can ever have

512
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 3: the opportunity to see that, we'll change your life. To

513
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 3: stand there on Omaha Beach. Oh yeah, and it feels haunted,

514
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 3: you know, it feels like it's it's there, you can

515
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: feel it.

516
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: Percent. I stood on the opposite of the channel of

517
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: the Isle White Isle of Wight. I was on Thengland

518
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 2: coast just a few years ago, and I could see

519
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 2: France and what you say is Normandy's shoreline off of

520
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: the distance. They're like, you see that out there, that's shoreline.

521
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: That's that's where Normandy and Utah and all that is.

522
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: I was like, oh man, And they would launch from

523
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 2: Portsmouth and south of England to go over to France

524
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: get it to Normandy. Very haunted, yes, very spooky.

525
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 3: And you know I went to the German Cemetery too,

526
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 3: when there was no one there and it's just kind

527
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: of a little cemetery off in the distance. I don't

528
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 3: think very many people visit it, but you know, those

529
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 3: mothers lost sons too.

530
00:26:59,520 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: I agree.

531
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 3: It was still a very beautiful experience to see all

532
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 3: of it, you know.

533
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, war's not cool, and it happens, and

534
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 2: I feel like the infantry guy on both sides is

535
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: just doing what they think is the call to duty, right.

536
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: And then there's the higher ups that have like the

537
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 2: puppet master streams of everything that trickles down, you know,

538
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: lack of information to those guys. So it's not so

539
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: much the infantry guy fighting because he thinks he's supposed

540
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: to also like our infantry guy is fighting. So I

541
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: don't know, I have a lot of blame on the

542
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 2: higher ups.

543
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 3: My dad read my first book. I talked about my

544
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 3: dad's attitude a lot about that, especially when he went

545
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 3: in he was drafted. He didn't want to go to

546
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 3: the war. He called it someone else's war, and he

547
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: thought that the politicians could fix it. And I say

548
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 3: a lot about that in the book. But then after

549
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: being shot down and living in homes where people were,

550
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: you know, Nazi occupied, they were living in a Nazi

551
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: occupied area. And of course at the time he was

552
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 3: hearing rumors in France about what was happening to Jewish people,

553
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 3: but it just seemed way too far fetched to believe,

554
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: and it wasn't in the American papers, if anything was

555
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 3: about it. It was just a little little story on a

556
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 3: back page that all changed him, That all changed his

557
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 3: idea about war and what we were doing and what

558
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 3: we needed to do in that case. So he came

559
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 3: out of that completely changed in his idea about war,

560
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: although he still sat and watched the news during the

561
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 3: Vietnam War and tears would roll down his eyes, and

562
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: sometimes they would mention teachers, students. He was an educator,

563
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 3: and some of his students died in the Vietnam War.

564
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 3: And I remember him saying to me, I was pretty little.

565
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: I thought we fought the last war. So he was

566
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 3: very broken hearted. Yeah, and I know, Vietnam's a whole

567
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 3: other thing.

568
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: But it's a whole other thing. If my father served

569
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: in that one, you know, and it's like a whole

570
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: nother you know. I don't want to say what he

571
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: did wasn't worth it, you know, and his friends that

572
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: went with him, and so Vietnam, man, that's a whole

573
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: nother book. I don't know who you're going to have

574
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: to pick their brain to write that one. Huh.

575
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm smart enough to write about me.

576
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know you are.

577
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: There's just a lot that's it's much more political, don't

578
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: you think.

579
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: I think so? Yeah, it is, And you know, this

580
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: is World War two with you know Hazel. You know,

581
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: it's more it's a good versus evil almost kind of fight,

582
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: even though politicians were involved in that. But it was like,

583
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 2: we don't want to go to war, but we have to.

584
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: That was World War two. Like he comes up roosevelts, like,

585
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: we don't want to go to war.

586
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Americans didn't. Americans wanted to keep us out of it.

587
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: And then but they all bound like glue. We all

588
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: kind of got together. There's no real like you know issue.

589
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, hey, we got to stop making coffee

590
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: cans and make ration cans.

591
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 3: And those guys came back heroes, you know, parades and yeah.

592
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: Time Life Magazine, Kissing the New York you know, the

593
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: nurse and the sailor picture right, did right? I mean

594
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: so classy and just so random, But I mean, well,

595
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: you know.

596
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: What do you do? Like in China? And this American

597
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: fly Girl starts with this. In nineteen thirty one, the

598
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: Japanese just invaded China. We went I didn't know much

599
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: about this honestly before I wrote this book. And they

600
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,239
Speaker 3: said they've got resources that we want and we're coming in.

601
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: And they had a fantastic air force, whereas China had

602
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: four little, scattered, fledgling air forces around the country, and

603
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: Japan had easy pickings coming in. And so that's why

604
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: the Chinese sent delegates to the United States. They needed planes,

605
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: they needed pilots, or the country was going to be

606
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 3: taken over and easily. It's just hard to imagine, it's

607
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: such a big country. And so yes, that's how Hazel

608
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 3: ended up being trained. I won't give it all the way,

609
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: but to be a pilot in China. That's how that started.

610
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: How they started training young men, they were boys really

611
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: China towns. They took them out and the training was

612
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: paid for by the benevolent societies and sent them into

613
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 3: aerial combat dogfights in China against the Japanese. So I

614
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: just think that's that's amazing, and that these young American

615
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: boys they didn't all get to do it. They didn't

616
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: get chosen. They wanted to. They'd never been to China,

617
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: you know, it was the country of their parents, and

618
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: they wanted to go fight a war over in another country.

619
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: A place that's really just not even not much known

620
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: about it here in our own country. Because there was

621
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: such a.

622
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 3: Boycott on the culture right right, yes, yes, Chinese.

623
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: So you can't like say, oh, I have been reading

624
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: about this in all these different articles and magazines and

625
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: I can't wait to go over there. It's like, you know,

626
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: here you are.

627
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: And most of their families were from Canton, the Canton area.

628
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 3: I can't remember the name of the exact town, and

629
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: I would mispronounce it. But they began their journey in Shanghai,

630
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 3: where they didn't even speak the same language. The Chinese

631
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: Americans here spoke Cantonese, and in that part of China,

632
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: like Shanghai, they spoke Mandarin. So the first thing these

633
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: people had to do, these Americans had to do was

634
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: even learn a new language. So they knew nothing about

635
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 3: the country. They didn't even speak the language, right. Yeah,

636
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: they'd seen a movie. I'm not going to be able

637
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: to remember the name of it right now. These young people,

638
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: you know, nineteen to twenty three years old, had seen

639
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: a movie about Shanghai and that was all they knew.

640
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: I mean, these were kind of typical American teenagers. You know.

641
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: They weren't Chinese, and they were Chinese American, but they

642
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 3: lived in an American culture that they fully embraced, you know,

643
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: you look at Hazel on the cover of the book,

644
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: she's clearly kind of a cool.

645
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's definitely you know, yeah, like if you're going

646
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: to say western, she's just she seems, yeah, just normal.

647
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: She thought of herself as American, but of course, yeah,

648
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: you know, it showed wherever she went. So she would

649
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: be asked to leave a restaurant because of how she looked.

650
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because, you know, because because she's Asian or Chinese,

651
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: you know. And it's like a lot of people stare

652
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: at me when I walk around, and it's because I

653
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: have a lot going on and I look out and

654
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: so I don't see that, you know, I don't see

655
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: what my wife's coming in to kiss. I don't see

656
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: I just see how I just see her. I'm like, oh,

657
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,239
Speaker 2: pretty face. But I have to understand, you know, you

658
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: just walk in someplace to be judged on how you look.

659
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: But yet deep down inside, you have no idea how

660
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: that person's gonna be, what who they are. You know,

661
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: she's just straight up American, having a smoke, wanting to

662
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: defend her country. You wanting to be a part of it,

663
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: wanting to be a part of the movement, wanting to

664
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: you know, really break break barriers for women to fly,

665
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: you know, Asian women to fly period, because it was

666
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: so and in your book you write about how where.

667
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: Is it at?

668
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: Where do I have that little snippet says here. Despite

669
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: her experience, she would feel the Rusian in discrimination of

670
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: Americans Chinese Exclusion Act, which refused to admit Chinese immigrants

671
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: into the US for a generation. In China's field of

672
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 2: male dominated aviation, she was dismissed for being a woman

673
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: and for being an American. During World War Two, she

674
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: suffered the pain of being mistaken for Japanese, but in

675
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: service to her country, Hazel refused to be limited by gender, race,

676
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: and impossible dreams. The US government posthumously awarded her the

677
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: Congressional Medal of Honor and recognized the military service of

678
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: the wasps, and her untimely death ended her a short

679
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 2: life served as a beacon for women everywhere who are

680
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: confronted by racism and sexism.

681
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: Press release or something. I've never read? What is that

682
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: that you're reading from?

683
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 2: Did you like was that? Okay? Did you want to correct?

684
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 3: No? No, but I don't think i've read it. Is

685
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,959
Speaker 3: it from like The Jack and the Jacks of the book,

686
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 3: is it?

687
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: No, it's not. No, No, that's here. That's here, this

688
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: is the pace of paper. Okay, yeah, yeah, I just

689
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: pick and choose.

690
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: I told you no that it's a exactly right. Yeah. Yeah,

691
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 3: pretty pretty amazing. I don't I don't think. I mean

692
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 3: she wanted to be a role model for young Asian

693
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: American girl. I mean because she had little sisters.

694
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: And so like she should have Barbie.

695
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and then a movie about.

696
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: Barbie with smoke, wouldn't that be great? Sorry, I don't mean.

697
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 3: I want that outfit, you know, I want to wear

698
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: that plane.

699
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: Because Barbie gets a jeep, she can have a plane.

700
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: Open cockpit plane.

701
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

702
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 3: But so Hazel just wanted to fly, and and a

703
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 3: lot of flyers at that time, and especially all of

704
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: the women flyers were flying to do acrobats and you know,

705
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 3: aerial things in the sky fly shows. So Hazel was

706
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: also very different. And then she didn't want to do shows.

707
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: She wanted to do combat. She wanted to fight. And

708
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 3: you know, when she thought she could fight for China,

709
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: that's a whole nother story. And then she wanted to

710
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: get back to this country and fight combat here. And

711
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 3: there was no way that she was told, you can

712
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: be a nurse, you can be a secretary, but you

713
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: cannot fly aircraft at all, I mean not even out

714
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 3: of combat for what was then the US Army Air Corps.

715
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, to go from no to here's the Congressional Medal

716
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 2: of Honor.

717
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah she learned that, she really did.

718
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, it's awarded. Right. I'm not

719
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: sure she was like even after it, she was just

720
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: doing what she did. Oh yeah, she would.

721
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: Have done it for no attention at all. I think

722
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: she would laugh about all of this, honestly, it would

723
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: just seem funny to her because she just wanted to

724
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 3: fly plays fast, as fast as she could. She flew

725
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: fighting aircraft.

726
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 2: You know. And also right here I have this little snippet.

727
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: It just talks about how, like yet a new age

728
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: was dawning with Hazel, and for the first time, the

729
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: idea that more than child rearing and homemaking might be

730
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: available to women began to take root. Some women brave

731
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: enough to go against convention found themselves willing and eager

732
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: to exchange traditional roles to become pilots and explore new

733
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: opportunities in aviation. A fire was lit in Hazel that

734
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 2: would change the course of her life and aviation history.

735
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 3: Yes, definitely. Women were coming out of the shadows, and

736
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: women had been given the vote. The amendment was passed

737
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: white women, not women of color, right, and so they

738
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: were emerging from the shadows and beginning to realize for

739
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: the first time that is there a choice because that

740
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: hadn't even been something that was discussed. I don't know

741
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: if women even wanted something they didn't know they could have.

742
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 3: And Hazel just said, well why not?

743
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: I mean why not?

744
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean why can't I wear pants? Right? Oh? Yeah,

745
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 3: that was shocking.

746
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: That's a big deal, right, Yeah, yeah, I'm totally a

747
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: dad of daughters and yeah, I get it. I'm just like,

748
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 2: you know, we were just talking about how women were

749
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: just a lot of credit card like fifty years ago

750
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: with about a man's signature.

751
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: I don't think it was that was it fifty years

752
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 3: it was? It was like it was in the seventies. Yeah,

753
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 3: I don't want to say seventy two or seventy six,

754
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 3: So right before you were born. It would definitely happened

755
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 3: before I remember it. I remember my mom, Yeah, being

756
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: on my.

757
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: Dad get a credit card?

758
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, which is a big deal to my mom. Yes,

759
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: but yeah, I mean it's hard to imagine.

760
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: I can't. I don't want to. I don't. I'm glad

761
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: that's in my past. I don't. I don't want to

762
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: have known that. I don't know why I'm saying that.

763
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: I'm glad that my daughters are able and you know,

764
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: women are able to go and be themselves. Okay, we

765
00:38:55,080 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: got to stop the insanity though. Okay, in this world

766
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: of you're just as bad ass as I'm just as

767
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: bad ass. I don't have any say over you, and

768
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: you don't have any sale over me. You have freedom

769
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: to choose, and I have freedom to choose. And no

770
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: matter what language you speak, it should be that way.

771
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: It should just be freedom to choose. It shouldn't be

772
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 2: we're going to stone you because you don't wear your

773
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: head gear, right, you know your hit job. You know

774
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: we're going to stone you from being a female? What

775
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: I know today that's happening.

776
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 3: I was just thinking that, can you believe that's going

777
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 3: on right now? That's yes, right now. The things I

778
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: write about in my book are happening now around.

779
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: The world, and it's like we're trying, We've got to

780
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: stop reverting backwards as well with like these ideals. It's

781
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 2: just not we've got to keep moving forward progressive, it's forward.

782
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think when you imprison women in that way,

783
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 3: the way they're doing in those countries, the way you're

784
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 3: talking about, Yes, I think men are imprisoned by that too.

785
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 3: I mean we're all we all lose out in that situation. Yeah,

786
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 3: I don't know, this is I don't know if i'd

787
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: want to be the man in charge of everything, you know,

788
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: it's all falls to me. I mean, men and women

789
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: are great together. They make a great team, you know.

790
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 2: And and also like we've never had a female president

791
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: in America. Yeah, you know, We've gone to war under

792
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 2: all these dudes. I'm just saying, huh yeah, maybe maybe

793
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 2: we give a lady a chance to be in the

794
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: White House and run some things.

795
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 3: Huh yeah.

796
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: I mean what says here that they were good in

797
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: the house on this paper back in the day. Is

798
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: that where you guys want to put him in the

799
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: White House? Straight up?

800
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. A lot of waste, A lot of waste has.

801
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: Gone, A lot of waste makes me stretch my muscles.

802
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 3: I think you're a good father of those daughters, and

803
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 3: they need to know about that. And you said, you

804
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: don't know why you mentioned the credit card thing, but

805
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: they need to know that. They need to know that

806
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: has happened. And because we tend to we have short

807
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: memories as human beings, and we tend to as a

808
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: lot of is proving right now that things tend to repeat,

809
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 3: We tend to go backwards and repeat and forget the

810
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 3: mistakes that were made.

811
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: Why don't we put mandates on men? How about all

812
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: men after the age of twenty three have to get vaccinated?

813
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 3: How about that? Oh? Did I say that?

814
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: Figure things out?

815
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: Yeah?

816
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: How about that? How about we put stipulation? So you're like, no,

817
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: well where do I Why does anybody get a right?

818
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 2: Let's have this comment. I'm okay with that. Sorry, you're

819
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: a powerful woman. We're talking about a powerful woman. I'm

820
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: raising powerful women and I'm married to a powerful woman.

821
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: But you said it, why can't we all be powerful?

822
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Wow?

823
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 3: I mean it isn't just women who can be put

824
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: to Sure, I think men could learn some things from

825
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 3: women vice versa. You know I think that Why are

826
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 3: we so afraid of each other's strengths?

827
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 2: I just think I want a controversial episode is what

828
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: I want, Okay, I think I want this to be

829
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 2: my controversy. If that's my controversy, then bring it. Let's go.

830
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 3: Okay, come out, Okay.

831
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: Well in the commets below, why did it happen?

832
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: Okay? I appreciate that you may not have read the

833
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: entire book, but this is a piece of history. You're

834
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: probably also too young to know. Why did it happen

835
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 3: that the wasps were disbanded? The WASPS, the Women Air

836
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: Force Service Pilots of which Hazel was a member, disbanded

837
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: before the war was even over. I mean it speaks

838
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: to what you're saying. The war wasn't over. The day

839
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 3: after the wasps were let go, planes were sitting on

840
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 3: factory runways. They needed to be delivered. There wasn't anybody

841
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: to deliver me. And there were thousands of these women,

842
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: and the American opinion, like it happened to Rosie the Riveters,

843
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: American opinion turned against them because they were taking men's jobs.

844
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 3: And now men were coming back from the war, and

845
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 3: you know, d Day had happened, and there was all

846
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: this Ya, the war's over, but it wasn't over. It

847
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 3: went on for a year or more, many many more

848
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 3: years aircraft were needed to be ferried as the women

849
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 3: were doing, so they were just sent home because men

850
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 3: were threatened by having them have their jobs, and you know,

851
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 3: they became more vocal the men about, well, we don't

852
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: want to fly combat, we want to ferry planes. And

853
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: now the women are fering planes and we're being sent

854
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 3: over to lose our lives. So it was a really

855
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: big deal. And at that time, in December of forty four,

856
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: the whole country rallied behind it. Yeah, get rid of

857
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 3: those women. There were no parades, there were no metals.

858
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 3: Most of them never flew an airplane again, and this

859
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: was their lives. Yeah, so what kind of thinking is

860
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 3: going on in the public. You know, they were the

861
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 3: darlings of the early war, coming in to save the day,

862
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 3: and by the end of the war they were job stealers.

863
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 3: And oh and the other belief at that time is

864
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 3: that women needed to go home now that men were

865
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 3: coming back to nurture these men, to care for them emotionally.

866
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 3: I mean this was said outright in public. You know,

867
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: you can't fly a plane and nurture your husband, or

868
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 3: you know that apparently two things can't happen. I think

869
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 3: there was a real fear about what was going to

870
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 3: happen in this country after the war, and women were threatening.

871
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: Imagine I am imagining.

872
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: To have you know, you know, Hazel be just turned

873
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: on now. First of all, she's a woman. Second, she's

874
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: Asian Chinese. Still confused with everybody in America during the

875
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: whole ending of the war, and everybody still has this

876
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: polarization happening on people and the women. And that's what

877
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 2: you're talking about, is polarizations like oh, back to you know,

878
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: back to the kitchen, back to nurturing. You know, your

879
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 2: husband can't work because he's shell shocked, So you got

880
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: to stop working in the job that he was gonna

881
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: work in because he's shell shocked, and you got to

882
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: go home and take care of him now. But you

883
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: can't make anything for your family because he needs his

884
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: job back. But he's shell shocked.

885
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 3: Hey, and these women were supporting their families. One of

886
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 3: the argument was is that men are the breadwinners and

887
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: need to support their families. A lot of these women

888
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 3: were taking I mean, their husbands had already died in

889
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: the war. They were the bread winner for their parents,

890
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 3: their children, so that didn't really hold either. It wasn't logical.

891
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: My dad deployed as a Green Beret. He'd go for

892
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: six months. We never moved around the country. A lot

893
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: of military brats moved around the country with their parents

894
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: getting stationed. He got stationed with a Special Forces group

895
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: and then they went to places and we stayed in Utah.

896
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 2: But that gave us some roots and some grounding here.

897
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: And I guess what I'm getting at is my mom

898
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: every morning would get us into the car to go

899
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 2: to school, and we, let's say prayer Aaron to get

900
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: the car started this morning, and'd be, okay, darn God,

901
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 2: please pray for the car turn on right. I'm like, oh,

902
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: there is a God that he's taken me to school. Okay.

903
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: But mom was also dad, And so when my dad

904
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: came home. I was talking to Dad. I was like, hey,

905
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 2: now dad's home. He's like, no, Dad never left. Dad's

906
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: been right here with mom. And so he's like, you know,

907
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: you just got to look at it that way, right,

908
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: I gotta go do my stuff. Who was handling all this?

909
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: He's like, your mother, Your mother was taking care of

910
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 2: He had just a huge respect for the workload that

911
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: he almost felt like he was playing hooky. You know,

912
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: he's with the guys, he's wearing gear, he's jumping out

913
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: of airplanes, and then comes home and he has to acclimate, right,

914
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: get back into the life of family man, you know, father,

915
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: you know, coming home, et cetera. And it just took

916
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: a minute, you know. And so mama just kept the

917
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: house running, I'm just saying.

918
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 3: And she was able to do all those things, keep

919
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: the house running, and be a support partner to him,

920
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 3: and you know, see, I'm sure had a very happy

921
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 3: life because of the attitude that he had towards.

922
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: Like your mom, Yes, like your mom carried Yeah, the VA.

923
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: I think what broke my mom was my dad being

924
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 2: broken because she'd have to push them through all these

925
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 2: VA tunnels and like, you know, all these different things,

926
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: and here she is pushing fifty sixty at the time

927
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 2: and breaking herself hauling him around because he's broken. You know,

928
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: it's just like the caregiver. Yeah right. That's why I'm

929
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 2: a big advocate for our younger veterans to just go

930
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: get checked out while they're young, like thirties and forties,

931
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: like go in their twenties, because by the time you're sixty.

932
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: Your caregiver, your significant other is the one taking care

933
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: of you, right, and so it's like you got to

934
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 2: look at like they're going to need to be also

935
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: taken care of. But the love is, I'm gonna wheel

936
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 2: you around, honey because I love you so much. We're

937
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: gonna get your meds. But who's taking care of her

938
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: or him wheeling you around? I don't know, it's just

939
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: one love.

940
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 3: Maybe I bet you took care of your mom. Is

941
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: your mom still alive?

942
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: No?

943
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 3: But I bet you. I bet you did. Yes, I did,

944
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 3: And that's how it goes. Yes, and you have this

945
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 3: Oh really, I'm sorry. That's hard.

946
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:00,959
Speaker 2: Is like two years ago?

947
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: So fresh.

948
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a mama's boy, just like the bumper sticker

949
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: almost boy for.

950
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 3: You the best find the best kind.

951
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: Well, before I keep the waterworks going any longer, here,

952
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 2: I got these glasses on to hide all that. I

953
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: will say that you're You've been an awesome guest and

954
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: I've been very I've grown from meeting you, and thank

955
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: you for being on the show.

956
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 3: Interviewer, thank you.

957
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: Uh and American Flag Girl by Susan Tate Akeney. It's

958
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 2: like tank tank tak me Akney you've been awesome. Thank you,

959
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: you're awesome. Yeah, and you're publicist, Please send me any

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Speaker 2: more of you ot and yes, yes, so and so.

961
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm wanting to do is I'm just

962
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 2: gonna wind down the show and say thank you for

963
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 2: being on the show, Thanks for talking about your father's story,

964
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 2: thank you for bringing Hazel yng leing Lee's life to

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Speaker 2: my my soft rep. And thanks to my listener for

966
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Speaker 2: taking the time to hear us and just have random conversation.

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Speaker 2: And you can do the same and just be a

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Speaker 2: just remember that perfect. Do you have any any website

971
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972
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Speaker 2: didn't I do.

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Speaker 3: My website is Susantateancony dot com.

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Speaker 2: And do you have social media as well? They can

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