WEBVTT - The Trial of Tokyo Rose: Part One

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to History on Trial, a production of iHeart

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<v Speaker 2>Advised Hi History on Trial Listeners. Today's story will come

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<v Speaker 2>in two parts. This episode will cover the lead up

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<v Speaker 2>to the trial, and the second episode will cover the

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<v Speaker 2>trial and its aftermath. Thanks for listening. Clark Lee and

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<v Speaker 2>Harry Brendage couldn't believe their luck. Out of all the

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<v Speaker 2>reporters in Japan, they were about to break one of

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest stories of the summer. It was August nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty five, only weeks after Japan's surrender in World War Two,

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<v Speaker 2>and Tokyo was flooded with journalists. All the reporters Lee

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<v Speaker 2>remembered were going after the same three stories. They wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to get an interview with Hideki Tojo, Japan's leader during

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<v Speaker 2>the war. They wanted to describe the wreckage of Tokyo,

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<v Speaker 2>and perhaps most of all, they wanted to identify Tokyo Rose.

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<v Speaker 2>Tokyo Rose, the name conjured glamour, romance, intrigue. Tokyo Rose

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<v Speaker 2>was famous all across the Pacific, from Alaska to Borneo,

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<v Speaker 2>a legend amongst soldiers and sailors alike. For two years,

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<v Speaker 2>as Allied forces fought their way across the ocean and islands.

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<v Speaker 2>Tokyo Rose had kept them company. No matter how remote

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<v Speaker 2>their ship or how wretched their conditions, Tokyo Rose had

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<v Speaker 2>been there. Her mythological status and far reach might make

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<v Speaker 2>her seem supernatural, but it was simpler than that. Tokyo

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<v Speaker 2>Rose was a radio host. Throughout World War Two, the

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<v Speaker 2>Japanese Broadcasting Corporation or NHK short for Nipoon Hoso Kyo Kai,

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<v Speaker 2>had broadcast English language propaganda radio programs throughout the Pacific.

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<v Speaker 2>Many of these programs used a female broadcaster. As the

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<v Speaker 2>war wore on, these broadcasters became legendary, and they were

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<v Speaker 2>often grouped together under a nickname Tokyo Rose. American press

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<v Speaker 2>reports depicted Tokyo Rose as a racialized fem fatale, a seductive,

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<v Speaker 2>exotic siren luring Allied Gis to abandon their cause. The

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<v Speaker 2>Gis themselves mostly had a less dramatic view of Tokyo Rose.

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<v Speaker 1>Many thought she was just good company.

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<v Speaker 2>She played popular music on her broadcasts, tease the men

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<v Speaker 2>and crack jokes. Many Gis, instead of seeing Tokyo Row

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<v Speaker 2>as a propaganda pusher, thought that she boosted morale the

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<v Speaker 2>Navy even issued Tokyo Rose a tongue in cheek citation,

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<v Speaker 2>saying Tokyo Rose has persistently entertained the men and inspired

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<v Speaker 2>them to a greater determination than ever to get the

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<v Speaker 2>war over quickly, which explains why they are now driving

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<v Speaker 2>onward to Tokyo itself, so that soon they will be

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<v Speaker 2>able to thank Tokyo Rose in person. Now that the

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<v Speaker 2>war had ended, the press was determined to find the

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<v Speaker 2>real Tokyo Rose, not to thank her, of course, but

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<v Speaker 2>to get an exclusive interview with her. When Clark Lee,

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<v Speaker 2>a reporter for Hearst's International news service, and Harry Brundage,

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<v Speaker 2>a writer at Cosmopolitan magazine, arrived in Japan in August

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty five, they decided to team up and find

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<v Speaker 2>Tokyo Rose first.

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<v Speaker 1>The competition was stiff.

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<v Speaker 2>On August thirtieth, a group of reporters burst into the

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<v Speaker 2>NHK offices and began interrogating staff members there about Tokyo

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<v Speaker 2>Rose's real identity. The NHK employees claimed to have no

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<v Speaker 2>idea what they were talking about. People began wondering if

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<v Speaker 2>Tokyo Rose really existed. On August thirty first, an article

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<v Speaker 2>from the associated press claimed that she was real, but

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledged that she was more than one person. Lee and

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<v Speaker 2>Brendage were beginning to get discouraged. They reached out to

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<v Speaker 2>an old friend of Lee's, Leslie Nakashima. Nakashima, an American

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<v Speaker 2>of Japanese descent, had better luck at the NHK office.

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<v Speaker 2>Kenkichi Oki, an NHK employee, confirmed that there were five

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<v Speaker 2>or six women who had broadcast in English during the

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<v Speaker 2>war from the Tokyo station, but Oki would only give

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<v Speaker 2>Nakashima one name, Iva Toguri Dakino. Excited, Nakashima called up

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<v Speaker 2>Lee and Brundage to report his progress. Brundage and Lee

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<v Speaker 2>told Nakashima that they would offer two thousand dollars or

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<v Speaker 2>close to thirty five thousand in today's money, for an

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<v Speaker 2>exclusive interview with Iva. When Nakashima visited Iva on September first,

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<v Speaker 2>she was reluctant to give an interview. Her husband, Felipe,

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<v Speaker 2>was also skeptical, but Nakashima told them that Iva's name

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<v Speaker 2>was already public. She was going to be the focus

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<v Speaker 2>of press attention anyways, so why not get paid for it?

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<v Speaker 2>And the Dacuinos needed the money. Post war, Japan was

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<v Speaker 2>economically devastated, and the pay that Nakashima was offering was

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<v Speaker 2>close to three hundred times what Iva made in a month,

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<v Speaker 2>so Iva agreed to speak with Lee and Brandage.

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<v Speaker 1>As the two reporters.

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<v Speaker 2>Sat in their hotel room awaiting Iva's arrival, they buzzed

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<v Speaker 2>with anticipation.

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<v Speaker 1>They had identified Tokyo Rose. They had gotten to her first.

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<v Speaker 1>Now all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Remained was seeing the woman behind the voice, and then

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<v Speaker 2>Iva came through the door. Whatever Lee and Brundage had

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<v Speaker 2>been expecting, she wasn't it. Instead of a glamorous siren,

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<v Speaker 2>Lee and Brundage found a tiny young woman. Iva was

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<v Speaker 2>barely five feet tall. Years of malnutrition during the war

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<v Speaker 2>made her seem even smaller. She wore her thick black

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<v Speaker 2>hair in pigtails. The reporters thought she looked maybe twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years old. In reality, she was twenty nine. She had

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<v Speaker 2>a forthright manner and unexpectedly a rather unremarkable voice. Things

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<v Speaker 2>only got stranger from there. If Lee and Brundage had

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<v Speaker 2>expected to find a die hard Japanese patriot, they could

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<v Speaker 2>not have been more wrong. Iva, it emerged, was an

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<v Speaker 2>American citizen. Her parents were both Japanese, but Iva herself

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<v Speaker 2>had been born and raised in California. In fact, she

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<v Speaker 2>barely spoke Japanese. Iva claimed that she had gotten stuck

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<v Speaker 2>in Japan when the war broke out while she was

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<v Speaker 2>visiting a sick relative there. She had been forced to

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<v Speaker 2>do the radio broadcast job to survive, She said. She

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<v Speaker 2>told the reporters that she was delighted America had won

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<v Speaker 2>the war, and that she had always believed they would.

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<v Speaker 2>This didn't make for a particularly compelling story, Lee and

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<v Speaker 2>Brendage thought. When Lee published his first story on Iva

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<v Speaker 2>on September third, nineteen forty five, he mentioned that quote

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<v Speaker 2>circumstances had forced her into broadcasting, but he also added

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<v Speaker 2>a little drama by raising the question of treason. Iva,

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<v Speaker 2>Lee wrote, does not feel that she was a traitor

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<v Speaker 2>to the US for the job of trying to make

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<v Speaker 2>American troops homesick. Iva had never even considered the question

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<v Speaker 2>of treason, nor was she concerned about the question now.

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<v Speaker 2>In truth, the United States government also did not consider

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<v Speaker 2>the question seriously. After briefly questioning Iva, the Army let

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<v Speaker 2>her go and even asked her to participate in a

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<v Speaker 2>film about her time as Tokyo rose, but things were

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<v Speaker 2>about to take a drastic turn. Three years after Clark

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<v Speaker 2>Lee and Harry Brundage first interviewed Iva, to Gorri Daquino,

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<v Speaker 2>she would be standing trial in San Francisco, accused of treason.

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<v Speaker 2>In a shocking reversal largely driven by public pressure and

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<v Speaker 2>political motives, the United States Justice Department was pursuing Iva,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were determined to convict her, no matter the

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<v Speaker 2>illegal lengths they would have to go to do so.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to History on Trial. I'm your host, Mira Hayward.

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<v Speaker 2>This week the United States v Iva Takori Dakino. Iva

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<v Speaker 2>Ikuko Toguri was the first American citizen in her family.

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<v Speaker 2>Her father, June, came to the United States from Japan

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<v Speaker 2>in eighteen ninety nine. On a trip back to Japan

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen oh seven, he married Fumi Imuro, but had

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<v Speaker 2>had to return to America shortly after. The two spent

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<v Speaker 2>the first years of their marriage separated by an ocean,

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<v Speaker 2>with June only able to visit several times. Their first child, Fred,

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<v Speaker 2>was born in Japan, but in nineteen thirteen Fumi and

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<v Speaker 2>Fred were able to join June permanently. In America, and

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<v Speaker 2>thus their second child, Iva, was born in Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixteen. In a fact that would seem too

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<v Speaker 2>on the nose if you scripted it, Iva was born

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<v Speaker 2>on July fourth. June to Goody added Iva to his

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<v Speaker 2>family register in Japan, which made her legally a Japanese

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<v Speaker 2>citizen too, But in nineteen thirty two, after Japan invaded Manchuria,

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<v Speaker 2>he took the advice of Japanese American community leaders and

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<v Speaker 2>removed Iva and her two younger sisters from the family register,

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<v Speaker 2>making the three girls entirely American citizens. Iva and her

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<v Speaker 2>sisters were nise, a term for the American born children

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<v Speaker 2>of Japanese immigrants. The Taguris moved frequently around southern California

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<v Speaker 2>while June searched for work, but by nineteen twenty eight

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<v Speaker 2>he had saved enough money to open a small store

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<v Speaker 2>in Los Angeles. It was a happy childhood. Iva and

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<v Speaker 2>her siblings attended school, helped out at their father's store,

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<v Speaker 2>and tended to their mother, who had diabetes and high

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<v Speaker 2>blood pressure. June wanted his children to assimilate to white

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<v Speaker 2>America culture, though the Tagories occasionally spoke Japanese at home.

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<v Speaker 2>And celebrated some Japanese holidays. June encouraged his children to

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<v Speaker 2>speak English and public, observe American holidays, and play mainly

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<v Speaker 2>with white children. Iva grew into a sporty, outgoing, good

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<v Speaker 2>humored teenager. She wanted to be a doctor, and in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty four she enrolled in Compton Junior College. After

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<v Speaker 2>six months, she transferred to UCLA, where she studied zoology.

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<v Speaker 2>She loved her coursework, choosing to spend her school holidays

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<v Speaker 2>out in the field on research trips with professors. She

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<v Speaker 2>also loved college life and attended football games and played

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<v Speaker 2>tennis with friends. After graduating in nineteen forty, I have

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<v Speaker 2>a plan to pursue graduate work in medicine. She started

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<v Speaker 2>taking more zoology and pre medical courses. The future seemed

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<v Speaker 2>wide open for her, but in the summer of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty one, a letter changed everything. That June, the Tagoris

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<v Speaker 2>received a letter from Fumi's brother in law in Japan.

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<v Speaker 2>He wrote that Fumi's sister Shizu, was gravely ill and

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<v Speaker 2>wished to see Fumi while she still could after more

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<v Speaker 2>than thirty years apart. Fumi herself was too ill to

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<v Speaker 2>make the trip, so the Tagories decided to send Iva

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<v Speaker 2>in her place. Iva was not happy about this plan,

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<v Speaker 2>but agreed to travel to Japan. In July, June wrote

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<v Speaker 2>to the State Department in Washington to apply for a

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<v Speaker 2>passport for Iva. Unlike today, passports were not required for

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<v Speaker 2>international travel at the time, but June wanted to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that Iva's documents were all in order. However, as

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<v Speaker 2>the date of Iva's departure grew closer, no passport arrived.

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<v Speaker 2>June got in contact with the Immigration office in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 2>who told him that Iva could substitute a notarized stificate

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<v Speaker 2>of identification for her passport and then apply for a

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<v Speaker 2>passport for the American consulate in Tokyo. However, the passport

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<v Speaker 2>requirements were about to change in ways that would profoundly

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<v Speaker 2>affect Iva's life. In November nineteen forty one, the State

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<v Speaker 2>Department declared that, due to the advent of the war,

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<v Speaker 2>all international travel to or from the United States after

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<v Speaker 2>January fifteenth, nineteen forty two, would now require a passport.

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<v Speaker 2>Iva's trip to Japan in the summer of nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 2>one would not be impacted by this change, but her

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<v Speaker 2>plan returned to America scheduled for the spring of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty two would be impossible without a passport, and despite

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<v Speaker 2>the Immigration Office's recommendation, getting a passport while abroad would

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<v Speaker 2>turn out to be extremely challenging. Ignorant of this change,

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<v Speaker 2>Iva departed for Japan on July fifth, nineteen forty one,

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<v Speaker 2>a day after her twenty fifth birthday. Nearly three weeks later,

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<v Speaker 2>on July twenty fourth, Iva disembarked at Yokohama and met

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<v Speaker 2>her uncle and cousins for the first time. Her mother's

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<v Speaker 2>family was welcoming and friendly, but Iva felt ill at ease.

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<v Speaker 2>Japan impressed me as very, very strange. I've remembered all

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<v Speaker 2>the customs were strange to me. The food was entirely different,

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<v Speaker 2>the apparel was different, the houses were different. I felt

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<v Speaker 2>like a perfect stranger, and the Japanese considered me very queer.

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<v Speaker 2>She was shocked by the poverty she saw in Japan.

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<v Speaker 2>The country had been at war with China for four

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<v Speaker 2>years at this point, and the economy was devastated. Food

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<v Speaker 2>and other essential resources were scarce. After years of speaking

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<v Speaker 2>mainly English, her spoken Japanese was a extremely rusty, and

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<v Speaker 2>she could not read or write at all. Iva also

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<v Speaker 2>had a hard time communicating with her family back in America.

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<v Speaker 2>Tensions between Japan and the United States steadily increased over

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<v Speaker 2>the summer and fall of nineteen forty one, although Iva

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<v Speaker 2>was largely unaware of just how bad things were because

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<v Speaker 2>she could not read Japanese newspapers and her relatives tried

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<v Speaker 2>to protect her from the news. In early August, Iva

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<v Speaker 2>went to the American Consulate to apply for a passport.

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<v Speaker 2>The consulate told her that they would first have to

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<v Speaker 2>verify her identity with the State Department in Washington, which

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<v Speaker 2>could take some time. By November, Iva still hadn't heard

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<v Speaker 2>anything from the consulate and she was becoming increasingly homesick.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the month, she made an expensive

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<v Speaker 2>international telephone call and begged her father to buy her

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<v Speaker 2>passage home. June, concerned about Iva's well being, agreed and

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<v Speaker 2>said he would work on getting her a ticket, But

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<v Speaker 2>when Iva's family contacted the steamship office, they learned that

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<v Speaker 2>she would need a passport to return to America. Iva

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<v Speaker 2>tried to speed things up the consulate. The consulate told

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<v Speaker 2>her to get a new letter of identification, but this

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<v Speaker 2>paperwork would in turn require several other forms, scrambling to

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<v Speaker 2>get the paperwork together before the ship left. On December tewod,

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<v Speaker 2>Iva encountered obstacle after obstacle, the red tape was insurmountable

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<v Speaker 2>and Iva missed the ship, and then five days later,

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<v Speaker 2>the Japanese attacked the US naval base at Pearl Harbor.

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<v Speaker 2>All travel between Japan and America was immediately shut down.

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<v Speaker 2>Two days after Pearl Harbor, a man from the Japanese

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<v Speaker 2>Special Security Police showed up at Iva's family's home. The

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<v Speaker 2>officer told Iva that she needed to renounce her American citizenship.

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<v Speaker 2>When Iva refused, the man left, but then returned every

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<v Speaker 2>day for the next two weeks to continue to pressure her.

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<v Speaker 2>Iva was one of the approximately ten thousand Japanese Americans

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<v Speaker 2>who were stuck in Japan after Pearl Harbor. Many of them,

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<v Speaker 2>like Iva, were nise second generation Japanese Americans. It was

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<v Speaker 2>extremely difficult for these people who found themselves caught between

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<v Speaker 2>two countries who were both suspicious of them. In Japan,

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<v Speaker 2>they were pressured to give up their American citizenship by

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<v Speaker 2>the military and the Special Police. It was difficult to

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<v Speaker 2>obtain a ration card or get a job while still

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<v Speaker 2>holding American citizenship, so many ultimately renounced that citizenship. Iva, however,

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<v Speaker 2>held out. Things were no easier for Japanese Americans in America.

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<v Speaker 2>In February nineteen forty two, President Franklin Roosevelt issued Executive

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<v Speaker 2>Order nine six six. This order authorized the removal of

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<v Speaker 2>Japanese Americans, both foreign and American born, from any quote

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<v Speaker 2>military areas, which came to be defined as the.

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<v Speaker 1>Entire West Coast.

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<v Speaker 2>This order was based on suspicion that Japanese Americans might

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<v Speaker 2>collaborate with Japan. Between March and August nineteen forty two,

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<v Speaker 2>more than one hundred thousand Japanese Americans were forcibly removed

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<v Speaker 2>from their homes and sent to prison camps, where conditions

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<v Speaker 2>were horrible. The mass removal and incarceration of these people,

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<v Speaker 2>two thirds of whom were American citizens, was a sickening

0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.840
<v Speaker 2>violation of their human rights and civil liberties, and is

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<v Speaker 2>an enduring stain on American history. When Iva heard that

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<v Speaker 2>her family had been sent to a prison camp in Arizona,

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<v Speaker 2>she did not believe that such a thing could happen

0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:01.680
<v Speaker 2>in America. She thought that the story be Japanese propaganda.

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<v Speaker 2>In February, Iva had been delighted to learn that the

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<v Speaker 2>Swiss Consulate was organizing a repatriationship for Americans in Japan.

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<v Speaker 2>She applied for a spot, but when the Swiss Consulate

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<v Speaker 2>telegraphed the State Department to confirm Iva's citizenship, the department

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<v Speaker 2>replied that there were doubts about her status. These doubts

0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:26.520
<v Speaker 2>are impossible to explain. Iva had been born in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States and had never left the country for the

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<v Speaker 2>first twenty five years of her life. Thanks to the

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<v Speaker 2>State departments in action, Iva could not get on the ship,

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<v Speaker 2>and things were only getting more difficult in Japan. The

0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:45.399
<v Speaker 2>harassment by the military and secret police only intensified the

0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:50.199
<v Speaker 2>longer Iva refused to give up her American citizenship. In June,

0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:53.480
<v Speaker 2>she decided to leave her uncle and aunt's home because

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't want her family to suffer for their connection

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<v Speaker 2>with her. Iva now had to pay rent at a

0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:02.639
<v Speaker 2>boarding house, but the money that she had taken to Japan,

0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.040
<v Speaker 2>which was only meant to cover six months, was fast

0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:10.240
<v Speaker 2>running out. Struggling to make ends meet, she tried to

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<v Speaker 2>find a job. It wasn't easy, no one wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>hire American citizens, but after a three month search, Iva

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<v Speaker 2>managed to get a part time position at the Domain

0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:25.479
<v Speaker 2>News agency. The late night schedule was miserable and the

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<v Speaker 2>pay was barely enough to cover her rent. By the

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<v Speaker 2>time the next repatriationship left in September nineteen forty two,

0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Iva had exhausted her meager savings and could not buy

0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:41.000
<v Speaker 2>a ticket. It seemed that she was stuck in Japan.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was one silver lining of that difficult summer.

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<v Speaker 2>In mid July, Iva met a new hire at Dome

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<v Speaker 2>named Felipe Dakino, of Portuguese and Japanese descent. Felipe had

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<v Speaker 2>grown up in Japan and attended Catholic schools, so he

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<v Speaker 2>spoke fluent English. Iva was delighted to have someone to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to, and the pair quickly bonded over their shared

0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:10.399
<v Speaker 2>support for the American cause, something no one else around

0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:14.879
<v Speaker 2>them agreed with. Once Felipe even got into a fistfight

0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:19.200
<v Speaker 2>with a colleague over pro American remarks Iva had made.

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<v Speaker 2>A year later, in June nineteen forty three, Iva was hospitalized.

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<v Speaker 2>She was extremely weak from lack of food and essential nutrients.

0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.840
<v Speaker 2>The military police had at one point blocked her from

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<v Speaker 2>getting a ration card when she continued to hold on

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<v Speaker 2>to her American citizenship. Iva eventually recovered, but her medical

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<v Speaker 2>bills put her in debt, and she decided to find

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<v Speaker 2>another part time job to pay back her bills. In

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<v Speaker 2>late August, Iva was hired as a typist at NHK.

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<v Speaker 2>Her job was to type up the broadcast scripts and

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<v Speaker 2>correct grammatical mistakes. There was quite a bit of work

0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:03.600
<v Speaker 2>for Iva to do in this regard. NHK, like many

0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:07.280
<v Speaker 2>other Japanese news agencies, had been co opted into the

0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:12.240
<v Speaker 2>war effort. The agency now produced propaganda under the command

0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:18.520
<v Speaker 2>of Major Shikitsugu Suneishi. Suneishi had no propaganda experience, and

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<v Speaker 2>he and his subordinates spoke limited English, so their broadcasts

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<v Speaker 2>were littered with errors. To try to fix this problem,

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<v Speaker 2>NHK began to hire native English speakers to serve as

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<v Speaker 2>radio announcers. Suneyishi also forced prisoners of war with radio

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<v Speaker 2>experience to participate in his programming. One of the first

0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:44.399
<v Speaker 2>POWs brought in was Major Charles Cousins, an Englishman who

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<v Speaker 2>had worked as a radio announcer in Australia. Cousins had

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<v Speaker 2>initially refused to help the propaganda effort and was subsequently

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<v Speaker 2>shipped off to a brutal labor camp. Suneishi eventually brought

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<v Speaker 2>Cousins back to Tokyo and threatened the man with death

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<v Speaker 2>if he did not participate. Cousins reluctantly agreed to work

0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:09.400
<v Speaker 2>at NHK. He was soon joined by two other POWs,

0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Norman Reyes and Wallace Ince, who had been similarly coerced

0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:17.520
<v Speaker 2>with death threats. The men were put in charge of

0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:21.960
<v Speaker 2>a program called Zero Hour, which broadcast every evening. The

0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Japanese had conceived of Zero Hour as a way to

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<v Speaker 2>lure allied gis into listening to more of their programming,

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<v Speaker 2>so they told the POWs to make Zero Hour appealing

0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:37.640
<v Speaker 2>to Western listeners. The POWs realized that they could use

0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:42.800
<v Speaker 2>this premise to their advantage. As the historian Messiah Deuce

0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:47.159
<v Speaker 2>writes in Tokyo Rows Orphan of the Pacific, the men

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<v Speaker 2>quote made Zero Hour into an entertainment program that would

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<v Speaker 2>boost GI morale rather than destroy it. They did their

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<v Speaker 2>best to downplay propaganda, reading up jects actionable news items

0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:05.240
<v Speaker 2>hurriedly or in a joking tone of voice. Zero Hour

0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:11.120
<v Speaker 2>quickly became a hit. In November nineteen forty three, Suniishi

0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:15.399
<v Speaker 2>decided to expand Zero Hour The POWs were concerned that

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<v Speaker 2>an expansion would dilute their control of the program and

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<v Speaker 2>thus their ability to sabotage the propaganda content, but Cousins

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<v Speaker 2>had an idea. When Iva to Gory had arrived at

0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:32.040
<v Speaker 2>NHK in August, she had immediately tried to befriend the POWs,

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<v Speaker 2>grateful to have more pro American English speaking contacts. The

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<v Speaker 2>men were initially suspicious, but once they realized how sincere

0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:47.679
<v Speaker 2>she was, they became friendly. Iva had even begun smuggling food, medicine,

0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:52.359
<v Speaker 2>and warm clothing for the POWs. These items were gratefully

0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:56.359
<v Speaker 2>received by the POWs, who lived in wretched conditions at

0:24:56.359 --> 0:25:00.280
<v Speaker 2>bunka Camp, a prison specifically for captured men, were working

0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:06.480
<v Speaker 2>on broadcasts. When Cousins was ordered to expand a zero hour,

0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:10.000
<v Speaker 2>he decided to find staff who would aid in his

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<v Speaker 2>sabotage efforts. He had to be careful with who he trusted,

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<v Speaker 2>and in a station full of the enemy, there were

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<v Speaker 2>few options. But that's when he thought of Iva. He

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<v Speaker 2>could bring her on, and then he had an even

0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:32.760
<v Speaker 2>better idea. They needed a new announcer for the program.

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<v Speaker 2>The station had many talented female broadcasters, but Cousins didn't

0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:42.280
<v Speaker 2>want a talented broadcaster. He wanted a person with a

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<v Speaker 2>bad voice, a comic voice, a voice that would do

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<v Speaker 2>anything but sell propaganda. And Iva, whose voice would be

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<v Speaker 2>described as crow like, rough, and hacking, was just such

0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:03.439
<v Speaker 2>a person. Iva was reluctant to join Zero Hour, but

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<v Speaker 2>once Cousins explained what he and the other POWs were

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<v Speaker 2>trying to do with the program, she agreed to become

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<v Speaker 2>an announcer. Sometime in mid November nineteen forty three, Iva

0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:18.919
<v Speaker 2>Taguri sat down in front of a microphone at the

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<v Speaker 2>NHK offices and broadcast for the very first time. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a broadcast that would help birth a legend and

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:34.160
<v Speaker 2>haunt Iva for the rest of her life. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to take a little break now. When we return, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>pick Iva up in the broadcasting studio. Zero Hour came

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<v Speaker 2>on air every night at six pm Tokyo time. The

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<v Speaker 2>program ran for an hour, always following the same schedule.

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<v Speaker 2>First music, then messages home from Allied POW's, then Iva's segment.

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:03.560
<v Speaker 2>Iva did not want to use her real name in

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:08.680
<v Speaker 2>her broadcasts, so Cousin suggested a nickname. He proposed Anne,

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:13.720
<v Speaker 2>short for announcer, and later added orphan, in a cheeky

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 2>nod to the Japanese propaganda term for Allied sailors Orphans

0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 2>of the Pacific. The name referenced the fact that, like

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:26.480
<v Speaker 2>these gis Iva I was stuck far away from home.

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Orphan.

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<v Speaker 2>Anne's portion of Zero Hour lasted fifteen to twenty minutes,

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:35.399
<v Speaker 2>but it mainly consisted of music. Iva only spoke for

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<v Speaker 2>two to three minutes, always reading directly from Cousins's script.

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:45.040
<v Speaker 2>The tone of her announcements was always playful greetings everybody

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:49.879
<v Speaker 2>went one script, How are my victims this evening already

0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 2>for a vicious assault on your morale? The vicious assault,

0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:58.520
<v Speaker 2>in this case, being playing popular American music. After Iva's

0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:02.480
<v Speaker 2>segment came news segments, then more music than a sign off.

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 2>She would come into the NHK studio for two to

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:09.200
<v Speaker 2>three hours every evening to prepare for and broadcast the show,

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:14.160
<v Speaker 2>except for Sundays, when another female announcer replaced her. During

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:17.000
<v Speaker 2>the day, Iva worked as a secretary for the Danish

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 2>consul in Tokyo. She had had to quit her job

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:23.199
<v Speaker 2>at Domain after getting into a vicious argument over the

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 2>war with her Japanese colleagues.

0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:25.399
<v Speaker 1>There.

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Iva became close to the Danish consul and his family,

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:33.160
<v Speaker 2>and they generously shared some of their special diplomatic rations

0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 2>with her, including.

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Matches, soap, and sugar.

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Iva would trade these valuable items for food and medicine,

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:44.040
<v Speaker 2>which she then smuggled to the POW's working at NHK.

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 2>She also brought the POW's good news from abroad. Felipe Jaquino,

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 2>now Iva's boyfriend, had a job monitoring Allied radio broadcasts,

0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:58.560
<v Speaker 2>and he would pass on reports of Allied advances and

0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 2>victories to Iva, which she would then share with the POW's,

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:04.440
<v Speaker 2>boosting their spirits.

0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 1>She took a significant risk.

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 2>In smuggling in these goods and information, but the danger

0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:14.240
<v Speaker 2>did not stop her. In late June nineteen forty four,

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:19.479
<v Speaker 2>Iva's closest colleague at NHK, Charles Cousins, had a heart attack.

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>He was sent to a POW hospital to recover. With

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Cousins gone, Zero Hour began to change. More and more

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:34.239
<v Speaker 2>Japanese staffers replaced the POW staffers. Iva, concerned with the

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:38.600
<v Speaker 2>more explicit propaganda content of the new Zero Hour, tried

0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:43.920
<v Speaker 2>to quit, but George Mitsushio, an American born Japanese citizen

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 2>and the new director of Zero Hour told her quote

0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 2>she had better reconsider whether she could quit a program

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 2>directly under the control of the Army simply for her

0:29:55.320 --> 0:30:00.960
<v Speaker 2>own personal reasons. Unable to officially leave and also needing

0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 2>the money that the job paid, especially once the Danish

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 2>consul left Japan, Iva instead decided to miss as much

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:12.080
<v Speaker 2>work as she could, using the American air raids as

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 2>an excuse. She frequently skipped broadcasting sessions and took weeks

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:21.400
<v Speaker 2>off at a time, citing illnesses and family commitments. Her

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 2>colleagues at the station resented her absences and disliked Iva,

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<v Speaker 2>who they saw as unfriendly and pro American. There was

0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 2>one bright spot amidst this turmoil. On April eighteenth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty five, Iva and Philippe got married. Iva had converted

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 2>to Catholicism in order to marry Felippe, and the pair

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 2>were married in a Catholic ceremony. It was a beautiful day,

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 2>marred only by a bombing raid that sent the wedding

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 2>party running for shelter. After her marriage, Iva became even

0:30:57.480 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 2>more determined to quit Zero Hour.

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:01.080
<v Speaker 1>But after a week.

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Of absences, an Army officer showed up at her door

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 2>and ordered her to report to work the next day.

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Iva had heard from cousins and the other POWs about

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 2>the death threats from the army when they had tried

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 2>to resist helping with broadcasts. Frightened of the consequences, she

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 2>reluctantly continued her broadcasting work. On August fifteenth, nineteen forty five,

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Japan officially surrendered. Iva and Felipe were overjoyed, but an

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:37.240
<v Speaker 2>Allied victory did not mean an immediate improvement in conditions.

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Much of Tokyo had been destroyed in the war, and

0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 2>food and other essential supplies were hard to obtain. When

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Iva was contacted by Clark Lee and Terry Brundage with

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:52.160
<v Speaker 2>an offer of two thousand dollars for an exclusive interview

0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 2>about her radio work, she could not refuse, and the

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<v Speaker 2>positive attention she got with soldiers asking for her autograph

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 2>was fun at first, but things quickly went awry. First,

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Iva never received her promised payment. It turned out that

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Brundage had offered the two thousand dollars without first receiving

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 2>the go ahead from Cosmopolitan magazine. When he wired his

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 2>boss to confirm the payment after his interview with Iva,

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 2>the magazine refused and then the Army came knocking. Iva

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<v Speaker 2>was detained for questioning by the American Counter Intelligence Corps

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:37.240
<v Speaker 2>on September fifth. Fortunately, after a day of questioning, the

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:44.280
<v Speaker 2>counter Intelligence Corps or CIC, released Iva. The Army seemed satisfied,

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<v Speaker 2>so much so that ten days later, a sergeant from

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<v Speaker 2>the Army's Intelligence and Education Section asked Iva to help

0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 2>him make a movie about her time as Tokyo Rose

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>to entertain soldiers. Iva agreed and gave soldiers on the

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 2>films her autograph. But a month later everything changed. On

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 2>October seventeenth, four officers from the CIC appeared at Iva

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 2>and Felipe's apartment. They told Iva that they needed to

0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:17.080
<v Speaker 2>ask her a few more questions and that it might

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 2>take a little bit, so she ought to pack a toothbrush.

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Iva would not see her home again for more than

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<v Speaker 2>a year. The CIC officers escorted her to the military

0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 2>prison in Yokohama. No one told Iva why she was

0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 2>being held. She was not given a lawyer or allowed

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 2>to contact anyone outside the prison. She was interrogated about

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 2>her role in propaganda activities. After a month, Iva was

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<v Speaker 2>transported to Sugamu Prison, where the Allied forces were keeping

0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 2>Japanese war criminals. Her cell was six feet by nine feet.

0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Iva tried again to ask for a lawyer to know

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 2>what charges she was being held on, to be granted

0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 2>a speedy trial all constitutional rights guaranteed to an American citizen,

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:11.040
<v Speaker 2>but was denied. Messiah Duce notes the grim irony of

0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 2>the situation outside the prison, quote, the Americans were hard

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:20.560
<v Speaker 2>at work teaching the Japanese how to be democratic. Only

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks before the CIC had arrested Iva without a

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:29.560
<v Speaker 2>warrant or an explanation, MacArthur's headquarters had ordered the abolition

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 2>of restraints on political freedoms. Over the course of her

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:38.359
<v Speaker 2>year in Sugamo, Iva was questioned by the CIC and

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 2>the FBI. The contents of these interrogations were sent to

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<v Speaker 2>the American Occupation's General headquarters. In April nineteen forty six.

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<v Speaker 2>An internal memo from the Army's Legal section concluded that

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Iva had not violated any articles of war, but recommended

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:58.799
<v Speaker 2>that her case be sent to the Justice Department to

0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:02.640
<v Speaker 2>review if she had broken any civilian laws. The Army

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:07.240
<v Speaker 2>duly passed the file onto the Justice Department. Five months later,

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:10.680
<v Speaker 2>the department reported that the evidence of treason was inadequate

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:15.759
<v Speaker 2>and recommended that Iva be released. On October sixth, the

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:19.399
<v Speaker 2>War Department notified the military in Tokyo that Iva could

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 2>be let go. For some reason, she was not released

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<v Speaker 2>for three more weeks. On the morning of October twenty fifth,

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Iva was notified that she could go home. That evening,

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:35.399
<v Speaker 2>reporters gathered outside Sugamo to take pictures of her.

0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 1>As she left.

0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:40.879
<v Speaker 2>Iva returned to an outside world even more barren than

0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:44.160
<v Speaker 2>the one she had left. Felipe had been scraping by

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:47.400
<v Speaker 2>on his meeker salary, but the couple was living hand

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:50.759
<v Speaker 2>to mouth. Iva decided that they should go to America

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 2>right away. Felippe urged caution, saying that she should wait

0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:59.799
<v Speaker 2>for the press attention to die down, but Iva was resolved.

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<v Speaker 2>In December nineteen forty six, she went to the American

0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Consulate and applied to be repatriated. The consulate once again

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 2>confusingly told her that her citizenship was unclear. She would

0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:17.000
<v Speaker 2>need to prove that she was an American citizen, despite

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:21.280
<v Speaker 2>having just been jailed for potentially committing treason against America.

0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:25.799
<v Speaker 2>Iva spent the next five months gathering documentation of her

0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:29.320
<v Speaker 2>citizenship then presented it to the Consulate in May nineteen

0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 2>forty seven. They warned her that the review might take months. Indeed,

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:37.880
<v Speaker 2>the Department of Justice only notified the State Department on

0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:42.000
<v Speaker 2>October twentieth that they had no objections to Iva receiving

0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 2>a passport. Iva was now pregnant with her first child

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 2>due in January. She hoped to return to America in

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 2>time to raise her child there. The DOJ's approval should

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 2>have sealed the deal. Unfortunately, news of Iva's potential return

0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 2>caught the press's attention, and all of a sudden, she

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:07.720
<v Speaker 2>faced a title wave of criticism. The powerful radio host

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:12.880
<v Speaker 2>and newspaper columnist Walter Winchell, who was interestingly enough a

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:16.279
<v Speaker 2>good friend to Confidential Magazine, which we discussed in episode five,

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:20.960
<v Speaker 2>began a crusade against Iva. He told his millions of

0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 2>listeners that Iva was a trader. The American Legion, a

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:30.480
<v Speaker 2>large veterans organization, joined his cause, though not all its

0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:35.960
<v Speaker 2>members agreed with Winschell's conclusions about Iva. As public pressure mounted,

0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:40.759
<v Speaker 2>the Justice Department decided to re review the case. Politics

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 2>also played a factor in this decision. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>presidential electioneer and President Truman's popularity was down. His administration

0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:54.080
<v Speaker 2>had been accused of being soft on traders and communists.

0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Pursuing the Tokyo Rose case could be away. Attorney General

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Tom Clark seems to have thought of toughening up the

0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 2>administration's image. There was another point too. The United States

0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 2>government had committed an unthinkable violation of human rights when

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:16.240
<v Speaker 2>it had incarcerated thousands of Japanese Americans. They had justified

0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 2>their actions by claiming that these Japanese Americans were security risks. However,

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:27.120
<v Speaker 2>no Japanese American was ever convicted of serious acts of

0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:32.360
<v Speaker 2>espionage or sabotage. By trying Iva, the government could try

0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:36.759
<v Speaker 2>to retroactively prove Executive Order nine h sixty six right.

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Harry Brundage, who was now working for a newspaper in Nashville,

0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:45.400
<v Speaker 2>also jumped back on the case. His career was going

0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:49.320
<v Speaker 2>downhill due in part to his alcoholism, and he wanted

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:53.080
<v Speaker 2>another scoop, so he traveled to Tokyo alongside a DOJ

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:58.320
<v Speaker 2>investigator to look into the case. In the meantime, Iva

0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:03.160
<v Speaker 2>was suffering a personal travel. On January fifth, she delivered

0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:07.960
<v Speaker 2>her baby, a son, but he was stillborn. Iva and

0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Felippe were heartbroken. Iva's physical health suffered, and she was

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:16.560
<v Speaker 2>bedbound for much of the first part of nineteen forty eight.

0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:21.799
<v Speaker 2>On August twenty sixth, c IC officers again showed up

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 2>at Iva's apartment in Tokyo. They arrested her again, this

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:29.279
<v Speaker 2>time on charges of treason, and sent her back to

0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Sugamo prison. Iva told the press that she welcomed a

0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:36.319
<v Speaker 2>trial because it would finally be a chance to clear

0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:40.560
<v Speaker 2>her name. She was confident that the truth would come out.

0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 2>On September ninth, Iva was put into a military transport

0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:49.880
<v Speaker 2>ship bound for San Francisco. She arrived on September twenty

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:53.400
<v Speaker 2>fifth and set foot on American soil for the first

0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:57.480
<v Speaker 2>time in seven years. When Iva and her escort arrived

0:39:57.520 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 2>at the US Commissioner's office where she would reigned, an

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:07.240
<v Speaker 2>unexpected reunion occurred. Standing in the office were Iva's father, June,

0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:12.600
<v Speaker 2>and her younger sister June. Like Iva, they had suffered

0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:16.120
<v Speaker 2>during the war. The family had been forced into a

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:20.319
<v Speaker 2>prison camp. In May nineteen forty two. While at a

0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:25.160
<v Speaker 2>prison camp near Ti Larry, California, flewmy to Gory's fragile

0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:29.360
<v Speaker 2>health pushed to the breaking point by the inhumane conditions

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:34.719
<v Speaker 2>at the camp, shattered and she died. Iva had last

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 2>seen her mother in the summer of nineteen forty one,

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:41.360
<v Speaker 2>and she would never see her again. She had not

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:45.520
<v Speaker 2>even had a chance to say goodbye. The remaining te

0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:48.080
<v Speaker 2>Gorris had been sent to a prison camp at Hila

0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 2>River in the blazingly hot Arizona Desert. In nineteen forty three,

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:57.080
<v Speaker 2>people incarcerated at Hila River were given the option of

0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:59.759
<v Speaker 2>leaving the camp on the condition that they moved to

0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:02.840
<v Speaker 2>a new part of the country, away from the West Coast.

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<v Speaker 2>The Tagoris chose to go to Chicago. There, June had

0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:13.600
<v Speaker 2>again become a shopkeeper. June was horrified by his daughter's appearance.

0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:17.160
<v Speaker 2>When he had last seen her, she had been a plump,

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:22.760
<v Speaker 2>bubbly twenty five year old. Now thirty two, Iva was pale,

0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:27.239
<v Speaker 2>drawn and so skinny that her clothes nearly fell off

0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:31.759
<v Speaker 2>her body. But still June was delighted to see his

0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:37.600
<v Speaker 2>beloved Iva. They hugged, and then June told her, girl,

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:42.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm proud of you. You didn't change your stripes. The

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 2>tiger can't change his stripes, but a person can so easily.

0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:51.759
<v Speaker 2>Iva was relieved to know that her family believed in

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:57.280
<v Speaker 2>and supported her. June would fight tirelessly on his daughter's behalf.

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:01.520
<v Speaker 2>He was not alone in this fight. For the first

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<v Speaker 2>time since Iva had been detained by the military police

0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:09.120
<v Speaker 2>in the fall of nineteen forty five, she finally had

0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:11.239
<v Speaker 2>a lawyer, Wayne M.

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Collins.

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Collins, a passionate civil rights attorney, had represented Fred Korematsu

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:22.360
<v Speaker 2>in his ultimately unsuccessful Supreme Court battle to have the

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:28.759
<v Speaker 2>Japanese American prison camps declared unconstitutional. Collins offered his services

0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:31.920
<v Speaker 2>to Iva for free, and would eventually even use his

0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:35.719
<v Speaker 2>personal funds to cover some of the trial expenses. On

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<v Speaker 2>October eighth, nineteen forty eight, a grand jury charged Iva

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<v Speaker 2>with eight overt acts of treason, with quote treasonable intent

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:49.400
<v Speaker 2>and for the purpose of and with the intent in

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:53.279
<v Speaker 2>her to adhere and give aid and comfort to the

0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Imperial Japanese government. Though the prospect of a trial was frightening,

0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:03.640
<v Speaker 2>Iva was content. She believed that a trial would finally

0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:07.279
<v Speaker 2>make her innocence clear to the public and allow her

0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:10.520
<v Speaker 2>to move on with her life. But she would soon

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<v Speaker 2>find out that things would not be so simple. In

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<v Speaker 2>the next episode, we'll cover the trial and its aftermath.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for listening to History on Trial. My main

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<v Speaker 2>source for this episode was Messiah Duce's book Tokyo Rose,

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<v Speaker 2>Orphan of the Pacific. For a full bibliography as well

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