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Speaker 1: This is live coverage about one Steelers Minicamp live from

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Speaker 1: n R Steelers Nation Radio. We are back live from

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Speaker 1: Steelers at Mini camp here at Hinesfield. I'm Dale Lelly

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Speaker 1: here with Matt Williamson and Matt um. I wrote about

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Speaker 1: this today on d K Pittsburgh Sports dot Com and

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Speaker 1: and uh uh, people can't get enough, not you, Harris

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Speaker 1: first of all. And I get it. I'll be honest

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Speaker 1: that there was a little bit of a fanboy in

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Speaker 1: me today. First thing I did. I sat next to

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Speaker 1: you in the press box, grabbed my binoculars. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: where's Harris? Honestly, Hairs, you know what I mean. It's

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Speaker 1: just the same true every year with the first round pick.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to see the long arms and the

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Speaker 1: body type and watch them running back drills. That's the

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Speaker 1: first thing I did. Yeah. Eddie Fulton was asked if

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Speaker 1: the story that Ben Roethlisberg told two weeks ago about

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Speaker 1: him having to tell Naja Harris, Hey, Naja, it's time

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Speaker 1: to go home. Okay, he said, yeah, it's true. I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm all for the hard work and an extra effort.

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Speaker 1: I'm all for that. I love it. Uh, But he

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Speaker 1: also has to learn to give himself breaks too. He

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Speaker 1: works his butt off, so there has to be time

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Speaker 1: for reward. Go home, relax, watch TV, do something other

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Speaker 1: than football. Can be a little bit more well rounded

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Speaker 1: in your life. Yeah, A lot said with him being

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Speaker 1: a guy who's always so engaged, always after it, always

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Speaker 1: wanting to do drills. I'm trying to teach him sometimes

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Speaker 1: concern with the player? Do you think? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I'm what's funny is I had read all those things

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Speaker 1: in Dane Brugler's guide and people that have interviewed him,

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Speaker 1: and you read that about a lot of guys, you do.

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Speaker 1: He's the first in the building, in the last to leave,

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Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, and something that you know, smoke.

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Speaker 1: But there was a couple of sources that say he's

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Speaker 1: the type of guy you have to hide his helme it,

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Speaker 1: you know. And I first thought, and I know that's

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Speaker 1: And I think it was maybe his greatest asset as

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Speaker 1: a player. I mean, you were around a b more

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Speaker 1: It wasn't because he took took it easy. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't because he went home and watched TV and kicked

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Speaker 1: Cheetos again. I mean, I'm sure that there's some other

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Speaker 1: a kid and was groomed and you know, never got out.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think that there's something to that too,

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Speaker 1: or something that's to me is is different though, because

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Speaker 1: that's that's that's parents forcing the kid to do it, right.

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Speaker 1: This is this is an instance where the guy wants

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Speaker 1: to do it, if that's his passion. You know, by

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Speaker 1: no means that might compare myself to Antonio Brown or

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Speaker 1: to Harris you know, who are you know, light years

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Speaker 1: I'd be listening to the NFL podcast to and from

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Speaker 1: if that's what you love and you you're lucky enough

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Speaker 1: to get paid to do it for your life, that's wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Is but my body is not gonna break down from

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Speaker 1: listening too many podcasts articles you're hearing and maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: that I'll be curious in camp might we have some

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Speaker 1: might you do some reporting that Naja Harris sat out

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Speaker 1: boy used to get the ball. Yeah, it's talking, he

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Speaker 1: to my entire career. You encourage people to spend extra time.

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Speaker 1: He's always soaking it up, always wanting it. That's a

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Speaker 1: to learn. He's that's fun as a coach. Usually you're

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Speaker 1: Hard to do. Nasa Harris did it too. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: That is a fine line. You know. This is also

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have fun too. But be smart, realized what

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Speaker 1: He's not the only guy across the league who Gilmore,

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Speaker 1: uh right, Jamal Adams not in camp. Contract dispute guys, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: disputes next distraction season two. Yeah, you're right. I mean

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Speaker 1: Like he he agreed to the deal with it with

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Speaker 1: the the Jaguars, and yet the Steelers stayed in contact

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Speaker 1: with him, both the players and coaches like hey, you

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Speaker 1: know you haven't signed yet. This will be the best

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Speaker 1: you have to have be back, you know, right, I

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Speaker 1: mean yeah exactly. I mean, do you think Lindsley is

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Speaker 1: ever gonna go play for the Packers again? Or you know.

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Speaker 1: And Rodgers is in such a unique situation too, because

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Speaker 1: he was the Jordan's love. I mean, he saw how

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Speaker 1: far it was treated and he's he saw it. I've

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Speaker 1: been on both ends of this thing. I've seen a

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Speaker 1: lot of people in between be you know, not you know,

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Speaker 1: handled properly, and I think a lot of it with

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Speaker 1: that team. And he says, I don't want to be

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Speaker 1: traded to the Jets right right and bounce around in

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Speaker 1: the vikings and all this stuff. But I think a

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Speaker 1: big thing with that team, which is the total opposite here.

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Speaker 1: They don't have an owner. You know, it'd be different

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Speaker 1: who's in charge, who's in charge? You know. Like I

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Speaker 1: was having this conversation on my podcast, and I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: at my bar where I do my podcast, and I

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Speaker 1: have this picture a Bradshaw with this huge ass chew

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Speaker 1: in his mouth and Mr Rooney, the chief is leaning

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Speaker 1: in with a big as cigar and Bradshaw's lightening it up,

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Speaker 1: you know, and it's probably n you know, they've obviously

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Speaker 1: one some time at this point. And I'm sitting there thinking,

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Speaker 1: come having this conversation with Rogers, like, there's nobody there

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Speaker 1: for Aaron to do that. There's a board, you know,

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Speaker 1: and there's not a family that says, you know, that

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Speaker 1: welcomed him on board right away and has shown generation

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Speaker 1: after generation this is how we do it, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, I bet that really hurts that organization. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that does it to a degree for sure. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, and so you know, uh that that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be one that is gonna be interesting to see how

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Speaker 1: it plays out. But again, that honesty that you have

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Speaker 1: with with players, I think goes a long way. Edmonds

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Speaker 1: example is a great one. You know, like, it's not business.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's not super feasible business. Here's the other

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Speaker 1: part of that equation. It wasn't say Omar Khan making

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Speaker 1: that calling. Hey, no, it's Mike Tomlin taking the time.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't a back coach, was the defense coordinator. It's a

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Speaker 1: top guy who's not going anywhere, you know, who's very

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Speaker 1: involved with all those decisions. And it wasn't a Jarvis

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Speaker 1: Jones like player either that. You know, it wasn't a

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Speaker 1: miss you know, it's just yeah, I think Edmonds will

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Speaker 1: be a stealer for another contract. Yeah, I think so

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Speaker 1: as well. And I think, you know, if it doesn't

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Speaker 1: work out, it just have a terrible year. But um,

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Speaker 1: but I think all intense, know, all intentions are is

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Speaker 1: that you know, they'd like to have him back again.

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Speaker 1: It's nice to have two young guys at that position

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Speaker 1: that can grow together. Yeah, you know, that was a small,

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Speaker 1: small problem I think with the Minka trade is they're

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Speaker 1: both at the same age. You know, it goes back

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Speaker 1: to what we've talked about with the Browns dagger him

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Speaker 1: a little bit. The Browns rebuilding. Okay, they had three

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Speaker 1: first round draft picks, right, but they're all gonna be

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Speaker 1: at the same time. And they took you know, they

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Speaker 1: took Peppers and Joku and uh Garrett Garrett, which is

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Speaker 1: which sounds great on paying. Hey, we're gonna we got

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Speaker 1: these three young guys we can build around. Well, two

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Speaker 1: years later they get rid of Peppers, like, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to pay all three of these guys, you know,

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Speaker 1: same time, and then they get you know, in Joku

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Speaker 1: is probably you know, playing his last year and maybe

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Speaker 1: the better example because both these guys worked out as

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Speaker 1: they got Baker and Ward the next year and they're

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Speaker 1: both top five picks and they'll probably don't want to

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Speaker 1: move on from either. But all of a sudden, every

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Speaker 1: probably can't pay Award, probably can't pay a war before

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, all these guys are making a

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Speaker 1: big signing bonuses all the same thing. And that's great

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Speaker 1: if if they're great players. What if you know, if

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Speaker 1: they're if they're good players but not great players, all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, well wait a second, you just we're

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Speaker 1: in the same draft class and you gave him a big,

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Speaker 1: big contract. What about me? I often think about what

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Speaker 1: if you were the sixties Packers or seven Steelers Swann

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Speaker 1: Installs comes walking in your office the same year, drafted

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Speaker 1: the same year, right, think about paying that seventy four

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Speaker 1: draft class. That's what I'm saying, right, right, yeah, all

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Speaker 1: of them, like they're all coming to at the same time.

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Speaker 1: And you're like, hey, right, and yeah, we just paid

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Speaker 1: the seventy three draft class, which was pretty good too,

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Speaker 1: or you know, like all those guys coming up together

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Speaker 1: is impossible now, yeah, it just it just can't happen

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Speaker 1: you if you're the best drafting team around. And the

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Speaker 1: Saints kind of had that issue. But that one year

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Speaker 1: was they headed to sixteen draft class, Belis, Williams and Lattimore,

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Speaker 1: four big hits. Yeah, which is great, it's fantastic, but

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Speaker 1: you know, they all come at the same time, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's definitely a difficult thing. And then they're so strange.

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Speaker 1: Instead of the last two years they've only made like

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Speaker 1: nine picks total. Maybe because of that, knowing that, maybe

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Speaker 1: they think they're so good at drafting. Now I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: move up for these couple of guys. I'm gonna hit

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Speaker 1: because I always hit because I'm so good. I don't

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Speaker 1: need the depth guys. And then they have no cap

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Speaker 1: space and they have no picks. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 1: really weird situation, no quarterback, and then they gotta watch

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Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson walk out the door right right right, And

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Speaker 1: I thought they didn't hit even get hit even harder

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Speaker 1: this offseason. Yeah, somebody brought that up on my on

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Speaker 1: my Live cues yesterday, like how did the pack, how

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Speaker 1: did the or how did the Saints navigate this whole

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Speaker 1: thing and not lose? Like everybody? Marcus Williams came back

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Speaker 1: and a couple of guys that you thought would but

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Speaker 1: they lost Hendrickson, some you know, some other guys and

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Speaker 1: Breeze retired and yeah, and I think they're in cap

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Speaker 1: problems next year. I don't know, they're not out of

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Speaker 1: it year. They kicked the can down the road a

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Speaker 1: little bit more with some of these guys, but as

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Speaker 1: they always do. Yeah, you know, but you know, it

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Speaker 1: kind of brings me, like to the Julio trade, that

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Speaker 1: that's a lot of money to take on. But if

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Speaker 1: we think the cap is gonna be to fifteen next year.

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Speaker 1: That ain't so bad for Judeo Jones, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean some of those deals. So there are some

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Speaker 1: opposite situations to where hey, we can trade for a

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Speaker 1: contract right now or yea, the Steelers could be in

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Speaker 1: that situation a year from now, where it's a good

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Speaker 1: player out there that's not happy and we can trade

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Speaker 1: for a contract now if we make it work within

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Speaker 1: the confines of the locker room and it doesn't upset

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Speaker 1: the balance power too much. I mean, they could be

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Speaker 1: the team receiving that guy, which is odd for them. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Which brings me to another guy that we've talked about

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Speaker 1: a little bit in regards to um the potential next quarterback. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and this guy comes up a lot because he could

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Speaker 1: place with John Gruden, and John Gruden likes to cycle

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Speaker 1: through his quarterbacks. Derek Carr saying today that if he's

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Speaker 1: traded away from the Raiders, he'd probably just retire. That's

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Speaker 1: mind boggling to me. I mean, he went to Fresno State.

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Speaker 1: Is that just home? Is he not want to leave Vegas? Now?

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm just saying that are the country. I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to think what The logic is like, if if

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Speaker 1: next year, let's say you have a pretty good year,

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Speaker 1: defense is the worst in the league, they win five

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Speaker 1: or six games, and they're gonna take Rattler or one

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Speaker 1: of these type of quarterbacks coming out next year, and

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Speaker 1: he's on the block, which all those things are very possible,

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Speaker 1: Steelers say we'll give you a second round pick for

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Speaker 1: car Is. He can be like, right, I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot better situations than the one you're in. Maybe

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Speaker 1: he just doesn't want to be traded that nobody wants

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Speaker 1: to be traded to the Jets. I mean, there's some

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Speaker 1: spots nobody wants to go. But I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if I were him, I'd say there's plenty of teams

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Speaker 1: I could go be the quarterback of. You know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean maybe he's just banging the drum at this

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Speaker 1: point because he doesn't want it to happen. I don't know. Um,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have phrased it that way. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't make you look so good to your next employer.

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Speaker 1: And he's pretty good. But that's one now that any team,

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Speaker 1: let's say that does come to fruition that the Raiders

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Speaker 1: a move on he's on the block. But now you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to have your agents gonna have to reach

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Speaker 1: out to teams and say, hey, he was just heed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he's not gonna retired. Don't give up a first

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Speaker 1: or second round pick because now of a sudden, the

582
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Speaker 1: Raiders are going, oh man, right, like we're cards in

583
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Speaker 1: your hand is Yeah, It's kind of like the Shawn

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Speaker 1: Watson situation where you know, we had a we had

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Speaker 1: an ace that got torn in half, and now we

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Speaker 1: can't use that. Yeah. Absolutely so yeah, interesting. Um, we

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Speaker 1: will be back again. However, tomorrow you can get wall

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Speaker 1: to wall coverage here from Steelers Minicamp, starting off with

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Speaker 1: at eleven o'clock I believe with with uh yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: three different shows with Tom and Jacob and then rolling

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Speaker 1: into Wesley Euler and Arthur Moates and then us finishing

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Speaker 1: up with cleanup hitters as us here on the Drive,

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Speaker 1: but for my partner Matt Williamson, I'm Dale Lolly. We

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Speaker 1: also want to thank Bob Labriola for stopping by, and

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Speaker 1: we want to thank you for listening to this edition

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Speaker 1: of the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine

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Speaker 1: seventy