1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Ye back. The power of podcasts can tells you to 2 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: listen to some more podcasts. This is our introductory episode 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: on Exorcisms. We're really lucking out with how how this 4 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: is lining up with Halloween? Um gosh, so long ago? 5 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: Do you guys remember this? Well? I do? I do? 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: This is I don't think I was even on the 7 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: on in the show at this point. Were you recording 8 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: with us? Well? Yeah, I was certainly probably clicking the 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: button and maybe chiming in for a Knowle's corner or something. 10 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember that. Man. I love those times. 11 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you love the times when I when you 12 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: could mute me Red. I was just joking, you know, 13 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: I just those were fun because it was it was 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: a brave new world. My my opic focus on segments 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: is going to be the ruin of this ship. No, 16 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: not at all. But but in this we talk a 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: lot about the Hollywood version of exorcism verse the reality, 18 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: and that's really what what you're gonna find here, and 19 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: it's it's fascinating stuff we we certainly hope you enjoy 20 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: from UFOs two. Ghosts and government cover ups. History is 21 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 22 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Greetings listeners, 23 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: and welcome back. My name is Matt and I'm Ben, 24 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: and this is stuff they don't want you to know. Today. 25 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna be exercising some demons, right then, yes E 26 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: x O A, yeah, yeah, we're not. We're not gonna 27 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: be jazzercizing some demons or prancersizing any demons. We're gonna 28 00:01:53,480 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: be taking demons out of you through spiritual rituals, and 29 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: if we are successful, then we will join a long 30 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: line of uh spiritual and religious officials throughout human history 31 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: who have sought to cleanse human beings or as we'll find, 32 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: sometimes objects or even just places of some sort of 33 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: otherworldly presence. We are talking about exorcism to day, and 34 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: exorcism is something that has fascinated both of us in 35 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: our own ways for a long time, isn't it right? Oh? Yeah, absolutely. 36 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: I grew up very religious, and exorcism wasn't necessarily a 37 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: part of my growing up, however, it was definitely. I 38 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: was aware of it highly and UH man with films 39 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: coming out around the time in the late I guess 40 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: it was the late nineties for me when I really 41 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: started getting into it and watching movies like The Shining 42 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: and The Evil Dead, you start to really wonder about 43 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: some of these things, even if it's just a highly 44 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: stylized horror movie. Right. Yeah, And we have, uh, we 45 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: have a great article on our website, how Stuff Works 46 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: dot Com, our parent website, rather about exorcism and what 47 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: it is and how it works. In the Catholic Encyclopedia, 48 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: exorcism is defined as the act of driving out, rewarding 49 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: off demons or evil spirits from persons, places, or things 50 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: which are believed to be possessed or infested by them 51 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: and are liable to become victims or instruments of their malice. So, 52 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: and there are three types. So you just described the 53 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: three types essentially. But there are three types of exorcism. 54 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: I know. The one that everybody is aware of is 55 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: the real exorcism, and that's its actual name, right, It's 56 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: called a real exorcism where you're taking a spirit or 57 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: demon out of a human body that is possessed right 58 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: through performing the of exorcism, which in the Catholic Church 59 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: can only be performed um with explicit authorization by the Vatican. Right. Yeah, 60 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: that's pretty crazy. You you have to show, or the 61 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: Vatican has to believe with evidence that you provide, whoever 62 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: you are, the person presenting to the Vatican, that this 63 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: person is actually possessed by a demon her spirit. And 64 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: the Vatican does have a head exorcist. However, that head 65 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: exorcist is more like a person in charge of a 66 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: department rather than you know, um, an absolute pinnacle shot caller. Yeah. Yeah, 67 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: he's not the uber exorcist that goes out and performs 68 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: the exorcisms. Yeah, that is interesting. He's more of a 69 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: bureaucratic head, right like uh, I believe for a long 70 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: time the head exorcist was a guy named Gabriel am 71 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: or Um and I may be mispronouncing that, but he was. 72 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: He's the one who UM has uh claim to or 73 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: is reputed to have cleansed tens of thousands of people, places, 74 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,239 Speaker 1: or things from demonic possession. But as you said, Matt, 75 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: that when we say real exorcism, that is one of 76 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: the most rare types of exorcism. And it's the one 77 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: that you see in all the horror films, right, Yeah, 78 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: it's the most compelling usually or because you're dealing with 79 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: a human being. And yeah, and then there's simple exorcism, 80 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: which is where you bless a place or a thing. Right, 81 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: So this would be where a where someone a practicing 82 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: Catholic beliefs that maybe their house or um a nearby 83 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: ruin of some sort is unholy and a priest comes 84 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: to bless the area. Yeah, or even a little doll 85 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: that's creeping out someone's daughter, You gonna come and bless it. Man, 86 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: you never know, and you mean creepy out, isn't scaring? 87 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: Not like emerging from her mouth? Because that would be 88 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: the case for realis that would be just one that's 89 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: making weird noises, perhaps in the room when you're not around, 90 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: but your daughter thinks that the doll is really talking 91 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: to her. And this, this next type is going to 92 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: be a surprise for quite a few of our listeners, 93 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: right that this is um, this is the part that 94 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,119 Speaker 1: creep me out. Uh, if you are listening now, Uh, 95 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: just let us know if you've ever been baptized, where 96 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: you baptized? Matter? Right? And Uh? In the in the 97 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: Catholic Church, a baptism is a form of exorcism, which 98 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: I did not know. So blessing an infant prior to 99 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: baptism to clean cleanse it of evil resulting from the 100 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: notion of original sin. This means that if you have 101 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: ever been baptized, uh, you probably have experienced one of 102 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: the most common, statistically common forms of exorcism. And then 103 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: and then let's let's open it up. There's something even 104 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: bigger and stranger because exorcism is not just for the 105 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: Catholic Church, right, No, not at all. Exorcism takes place 106 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: all over the world. Um. Yeah, I I don't even 107 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: know if I doesn't. Are there any places where it 108 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: just doesn't occur? Um? I imagine in some you know what, 109 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: that's a that's a good question because even in some 110 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: states that do not have a state religion or widespread, 111 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, institutionalized religious practices, the traditional beliefs persist, so 112 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: there can still be ritualized cleansings, which is really what 113 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: an exorcism is in um places that we wouldn't normally 114 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: associate with that. You know, Buddhist and Hindu beliefs both 115 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: have place rituals to cleanse um a place or spirit, 116 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: and we know that in Islamic culture, exorcism is also 117 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: practiced Islamic culture. It's a little bit different because in 118 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: an Islamic possession case, the person possessed is usually being 119 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: possessed by what they would call a gin and um. 120 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: You know, that's the root of what we in the 121 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: West recognize as a genie, but not the not the 122 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: nice powder blue or purple Robert Williams genie from Aladdin. 123 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: You know, these are spirits and they can have they're 124 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: they're pretty much in comporeal um entities that can have 125 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: uh their own set of religious beliefs, right like, Yeah, 126 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: that was fascinating. Ben and I were watching some videos 127 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: earlier this week about Islamic exorcisms and several of them 128 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: were I guess the exorcist they gut man performing the 129 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: exorcism was calling the gin a Christian gin that he 130 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: was trying to get out of this man um and 131 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: it was fascinating to me. It's it seems very similar 132 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: to some of the Catholic exorcisms where you're you're reciting 133 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: UH scripture and basically saying get out, spirit, get out, um, 134 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: I call you out in the name of this case, 135 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: and it was fascinating to me just the similarities they 136 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: were occurring there. And as we know, there've there have 137 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: been extensive UH scientific investigations into the nature of exorcism, 138 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: and by far the majority of the exorcism cases that 139 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: were investigated have been associated in some way with Christianity. Right, 140 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: what's interesting about the Islamic world, especially in areas of 141 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: fundamental religious belief. Um. This again, this could be anywhere. 142 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: From Indonesia, I think that that's still the world's largest 143 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: Muslim country, UH to Saudi Arabia, and most people who 144 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: are aware of Saudi Arabia understand that it as a 145 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: um a very fundamentalist approach to Islam. It also has 146 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: on the Wahabi sect, which is a little bit different 147 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: in terms of interpretation doctrine. But um, the part about 148 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: it that can startle a lot of people is that 149 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: the idea of the existence of jin in many Middle 150 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: Eastern countries and in some Middle Eastern universities is accepted 151 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 1: as a fact of the universe, primarily because Jenner mentioned 152 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: explicitly in the Quran. And with this in mind, we 153 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: have to note that there is a very different relationship 154 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: between the spiritual authorities and the secular academic authorities on 155 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: the subject of possession. And stop me if I'm completely 156 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: incorrect here, Ben, but I feel like there's a connection 157 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: when when your state, your government, and your religious belief 158 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: are kind of one and the same or or very 159 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: similar UM. In the case with Sharia law, it's very 160 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: interesting to me. It seems as though that would give you, 161 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: that would make exorcism and the belief in that that 162 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: you truly can be possessed much stronger. I feel, yes, 163 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: And that's a good point. And with with this in mind, 164 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: let's look at some of the some of the ideas 165 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: or the symptoms of possession, at least the Western world. 166 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: Now we know one of the big ones would be 167 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 1: the ability to have UM, the the ability to speak 168 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: multiple languages or understand them to be a pologlot and 169 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: a lot of times it's a language that the person 170 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: possessed hasn't had any contact with or would have no 171 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: reason to be speaking that language. Sure, Latin, Aramaic, charl Daan, 172 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: things like that, And you can find you can find 173 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: an intense debate between the true believers and the people 174 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: who believe they're debunking these practices, especially in regards to 175 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: the language, because the idea that someone could speak another 176 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: language also depends on the people observing it being able 177 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: to one identify the language and then be fluent in 178 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: that language enough to translate it right or to at 179 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: least record it and give it to an expert who 180 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: can verify it. And then second the ability of the 181 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: ability to prove that the possessed person has never had 182 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: access to it, which can be a little bit tricky. Um, 183 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: you know the Internet, right, you know, Like if we 184 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 1: take the case of Latin, Uh, I guarantee you if 185 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: you speak any Romance language, then you know far more 186 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: Latin than you think you'd do. Um. Another thing is 187 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: is the idea of clairvoyance, the idea that you might 188 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: be able to know. Like, for instance, let's say, are 189 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: Sarah goodbuddy Jonathan Strickland is possessed and he would love this. 190 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: Let Jonathan is possessed, and he knows things that he 191 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: otherwise wouldn't be able to know, things across time and space, right, Um, 192 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: accurate lottery predictions or accurate which you know, guys, if 193 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: that happened, and then people will be clamoring to get 194 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: their friends possessed, right Uh. And uh he also knows 195 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: you know things that you have never told anyone about 196 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: your childhood and stuff. Yeah, that's very sticky to try 197 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: to conclusively prove and to our knowledge at least, why 198 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: you and I should go ahead and say this to 199 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: our knowledge, people have yet to find a universally accepted 200 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 1: case of possession. There have been cases where an exorcism 201 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: was considered successful by the Catholic Church. And again, when 202 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: we say exorcism, we're talking about all three types of exorcism, 203 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: including the ritual, the right of exorcism, or the real exorcism. Um. 204 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: But there hasn't been one at least that the entire 205 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: world is accepted as a fact. Another thing physical strength 206 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: beyond the person's natural abilities. We know that human beings 207 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: are capable of supernatural excuse me, superhuman feats of strength, right, Yeah, 208 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: the adrenaline. Adrenaline is a crazy chemical. It can just 209 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: make your your muscles do things that they shouldn't be 210 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: able to do. There's there are numerous cases of people 211 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: lifting cars in an emergency situation. UM, Like when I've 212 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: forget the woman's name, but saving her daughter by literally 213 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: lifting up her car. That's crazy to mean. It kind 214 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: of reminds me of our superhuman episode that we were 215 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: going over, and it just reminds me of the incredible 216 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: things that we can do without um any necessary intervention, right, 217 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: without necessarily a divine or demonic intercession exactly. I think 218 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: that this is where we enter into a fascinating aspect 219 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: of exorcisms. Um. Now, you know earlier you and I 220 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: are both sort of armchair folklore's, which just means that 221 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: we read a bunch of interesting stuff about um traditional beliefs, 222 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: or as they were called, folk ways often and in 223 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: regard to exorcism and witchcraft in general, we found some 224 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: very interesting sociological arguments. If I could just take just 225 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: a brief sidebar here. Um, When I was earlier, years 226 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: years ago, I was studying the early American literature concerning 227 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: on the Salem witch Trials and their European counterpart. It's 228 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: another other times in which the law and belief in 229 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: the supernatural had had come together or come and come 230 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: to loggerheads even And one interesting thing, I can't remember 231 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: the exact name of the book. I think it was 232 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: The Devil Where's a Red Dress? Or something like that. 233 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: I'll correct myself in the future podcast when I find 234 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: this book. In this book, though, the the author argues 235 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: that the persecution for witchcraft was a means of a 236 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: social means of preventing economic equality between genders, because often 237 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: the women who were quote unquote which is, turned out 238 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: to be landowners or to have assets of some sort. 239 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: And we know that in some cases in the European 240 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: practice of which persecution uh, the inquisitors or the accusers 241 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: stood to gain, to have a reward for turning in 242 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: again a quote unquote which so there may also be 243 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: a sociological explanation for exorcism or its existence in the 244 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: East and in the West, in the in the East, 245 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: um or in the nearest at least, if we're going 246 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: to examine an Islamic um framework for this. One fascinating 247 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: idea would be that if a possession or an exorcism 248 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: occurs in a very fundamentalist environment, you know, to take 249 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia again for an example, then there's an interesting 250 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: argument to be made, and it's entirely speculative on my part, 251 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: that a woman being possessed by a jin of some 252 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: sort would be able to directly address concerns that would 253 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: be otherwise ignored if she were to address them simply 254 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: as herself. Now, I am not by any means accusing 255 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: people of intentionally faking possession Um, I am saying that 256 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: it is much more likely in some cases, depending upon 257 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: the specifics of the problem of the root of the possessions. 258 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: So okay, So would that be like spousable abuse or 259 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: what kind of things do you think that would possibly 260 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: come up in that or have you read anything? Yeah, 261 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: it could be. It could be a case of spousal abuse. 262 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: It could be a case of of husband violating some 263 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: sort of law regarding treatment of wives or engagement of 264 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: additional wives. It could also be something between a male relative. So, 265 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: for instance, let's say if a husband has expired and 266 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: there is some sort of um, I don't want to 267 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: say shenanigans, you know, I don't want to make it 268 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: sound silly, but but some sort of injustice occur ring 269 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: in the wake of that death, then this, this quality 270 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: of exorcism and possession, uh, theoretically provides another avenue for 271 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: justice in a patriarchal society. Now, of course, when we 272 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: go into this kind of look, we're we're looking at 273 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,239 Speaker 1: it from an entirely skeptical viewpoint. And this makes me 274 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: want to return to the to the Vatican Church, which 275 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: has stood even even as the West modernized over the centuries. 276 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: And as a cohesive whole, people in Europe and people 277 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: in Canada and the America's began to sort of drift 278 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: away from this idea that there are demons or spirits 279 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: possessing human beings, and instead of going with this, the 280 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: Catholic Church has long maintained that exorcism is a real thing, 281 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: and that while the vast majority of purported possession cases 282 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: have some sort of other Monday and explanation, there are 283 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: still a few where clearly some sort of demon is 284 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: in is in a person. And this goes back to 285 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: you know, centuries of thousands of years worth of beliefs 286 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: or anecdotes or cases that are taken to be true 287 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: even in let's see, if we go back to Gabrielle Amour, 288 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: who said in October two thousand that he had performed 289 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: over fifty thousand exorcisms. Um. He he has said things 290 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: that have been controversial to people. Of course, he railed 291 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: against Harry Potter for its glorification of witchcraft, which is 292 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: one of those sort of BuzzFeed kind of headlines that 293 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: makes people want to say, oh, that's so silly. Possession, 294 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it is strange though, if you true, 295 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: if you hold that belief. Uh, if it's so grounded 296 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: in just your your worldview, I can imagine that having 297 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: this multi multimillion dollar series. Yeah kind of you know, 298 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: teaching not teaching kids God, because it's not teaching kids 299 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: is a movie, but just showing kids, Hey you this 300 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: is this is really cool being in this this giant 301 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: castle that teaches you how to be not a witch, 302 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: a wizard. But uh, yeah, I can I can imagine 303 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: how you would be upset with that, if you're stuck 304 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: in that that bubble of belief. Yeah, and I I 305 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: can understand that too. And let's to be fair to 306 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: the exorcist in this case. Um, the number of exorcisms 307 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: he claimed to have been involved with, I said fifty 308 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: in two thousand, right, the number continued rising. IS would 309 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: ask him later, and I should say that he ranked 310 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: those as once you've been involved with Is At one 311 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 1: point he said the ones he personally performed were thirty 312 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: thousand over nine years. And he said, I know, And 313 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: he said of those thirty thousand, only ninety four were 314 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: representing a full blown possession. So still cases I'd love 315 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: to see. I wonder if he uh, I'd like for 316 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: him to show his work, you know, if he well, 317 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: we can learn more about his stuff. In he has 318 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: a couple of books out. One is an Exorcist tells 319 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: his story and another is an Exorcist more stories. Okay, 320 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: so well, yeah, the these are not you know, of 321 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: course canonical documents. These aren't cannon. But um, there's another 322 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: interesting story here. He believes that the senior officials of 323 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: the Nazi Party were associated with Satanism. And we do 324 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: know you and I know that our listeners know too, 325 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: if you guys have watched our videos on this that 326 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: member high ranking members of the Nazi Party in different 327 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: Nazi departments. The s s for instance, Um, were what 328 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: we would call cultists of a sword. They were definitely 329 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: not practicing Christians or any of the you know, Bramaic religions. 330 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: I mean certainly no Jewish members of that party. This 331 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: is the full society right there, right, I forget the 332 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: tenants of it. We can we went over it briefly 333 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: before that. This is another subject that we can look at. Yeah, 334 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: this is a going for us to look at. He 335 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: he believed um and Worth believed that both Joseph Stalin 336 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: and Adolf Hitler were possessed by demonic entities, and this 337 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: explains to him both the violence and the spread of 338 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: their organizations. So the the idea that, um, the idea 339 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: that the possession as we understand it in film and 340 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: in TV and in horror anthologies, which I'm a big 341 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: fan of. Uh, the the idea that this possession would 342 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: be common is incorrect. Apparently, according to at least the 343 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: Catholic Church, most possessions are not the possessions that you 344 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: would see in the exorcists. Those are those are the 345 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: other Uh, those are the rare spectrum you know. Um. 346 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: Of course there are exorcisms in Judaism. Historically, even the 347 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: Dead Sea Scrolls mentioned exorcisms. Um. There is a rabbi 348 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: named Yahuda Fitaya maybe mispronouncing that, who also writes on 349 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: his experience with exorcism and with possession. Now we know, 350 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: of course that, as we've said, the scientific world, the 351 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: people writing the d S, M for and all that, 352 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: don't classify possession as an actual disorder. Um. But there 353 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: are several disorders that may show the signs of writing possessed. Yeah, 354 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: perfect right. So schizophrenia is one of them. Multiple personality 355 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: disorders another just the belief that you were being that 356 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: the well, just having voices in your head, which is 357 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: a real thing that can occur to you, Um, if 358 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: you have one of these mental disorders. Uh yeah, that 359 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: would probably leave someone who would believe in possession to 360 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: believe that you are in fact possessed. And I wonder 361 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: how many times that has occurred in the past where 362 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: it was just an unknown, scientific, actual disorder that was 363 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: just misdiagnosed, right, Yeah, Like how how many times throughout 364 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: history has someone who may be an elderly person suffering 365 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: from dementia or maybe a person of any age who 366 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: has a developmental disability perhaps, uh, and they have you know, 367 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: there's somehow mentally impaired that could be taken as a sign. 368 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: I mean, as we know, history is history is written 369 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: in blood, and the people who has a dark man 370 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: it is dark. And I don't think we should apologize 371 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: for pointing it out. No, no apologies maybe for the 372 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: melodramatic phrase, sure, but we know that throughout history all 373 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: that all we really need for a community of people 374 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: to turn into violent animals is enough of a difficult 375 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: enough environment for long enough time and someone to blame. 376 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: That's all it takes for your favorite neighbor, your niece, 377 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: your grandparents, or someone to turn into the the source 378 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: of you know, the poison well or the source of 379 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: the ruined economy. And then the mob grew with yes, 380 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: the mob growth. Really, if you wanna, like the old 381 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: joke on Reddit, one of the surefire ways to get 382 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: rich quick is to uh own a pitchfork and torch company. Right. 383 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: We also know that there are quite a few modern 384 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: cases right of demonic possession. But the thing is that 385 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: when you and I get involved with these, we often 386 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: we go down a rabbit hole, and we always find 387 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: a couple of different sides this story. We find people 388 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: who say, this is an absolute pile of steamy garbage, 389 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: and people have confirmation bias and they just want to 390 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: believe that demons and dangels and spirits are real. And 391 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: then we have people on the other side who say, um, 392 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,239 Speaker 1: I knew it, I knew it all along, there was 393 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: something wrong with this creepy doll, or the was my 394 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: my child wasn't acting right ever since um they touched 395 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: that idol or something. And and I think we also 396 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: have people who don't want to believe that sort of thing, 397 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: but feel that they have somehow run against an inexplicable 398 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: paranormal phenomenon and if you're okay with it. Um. As 399 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: we wrap up today, we didn't get to spend as 400 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: much time as either of us would like. But as 401 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: we wrap up today, I think we should ask our 402 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: listeners what they think. Do you guys have any evidence 403 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: and and right before you tell us what you think, 404 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: I just want to remind everybody that science, uh, science 405 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: proper still has a lot of questions to answer about 406 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: the nature of reality, about the nature of consciousness, about 407 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: everything from how our brain functions to whether you know 408 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: how time works. And there are a lot of questions 409 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: still that need to be answered in all of these realms. 410 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: And I would say that keeping an open mind to 411 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: all of this stuff is never a bad idea. The 412 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: only thing is, you know, again, not trying to preach, 413 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: but I guess this is my soapbox, Ben, and I'm sorry, 414 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: uh for for being on it, but uh just taking 415 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: a hard stance either way. Hard you know, saying okay, 416 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: all of that is just poppy cock. And I'm not 417 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,959 Speaker 1: going to listen to anything that you say from now 418 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: on because you believe in possession. That's that to me. 419 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: That's a really bad stance because again, we don't know 420 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: everything yet and there could be something. There could be 421 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: some little truth in there that we just haven't found yet. Um. 422 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, just keep an open mind and to show 423 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: you to we we don't like to do things without 424 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: also proving something about it. So to let you guys 425 00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: know that we are interested in what you have to say. Um. 426 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: Of course, if you haven't seen us responding on YouTube, 427 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: you can expect to see more of us in the future. 428 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: Always there. But to just to bring this home, let's 429 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: do a little bit of listener mail right now. All right, 430 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: let's do it. Okay, Matt, it looks like we have 431 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people writing into us about the new 432 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: audio show. So I'm going to, uh, let's randomly choose one, 433 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: pick a number one through thirty three. Wow, there's that many. 434 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm just well, I'm not going to tell you my calculations. 435 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: Let's do uh seventeen, Okay, seventeen. This comes from a 436 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: guy named Steve m and it is called long winded 437 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: Praise and Suggestions. So I'm going to read part of this, okay, okay, 438 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: and it is long, so I'm only governing part of 439 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: this sorry, Steve, but thank you for rayon. Hey, guys, 440 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: loyal fan here have been following your programs since late 441 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven, and it very much enjoyed much 442 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: of what you guys have done. I must admit, upon 443 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: initially discovering your video podcast, I wasn't too thrilled by it, 444 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: having only watched a few episodes. I left an unpleasant 445 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: and rather unfair review on iTunes. Most of my gripes 446 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: had to do with the language of the program, referring 447 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: to more credible people as skeptics, labeling others as conspiracy 448 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: theorists when there's little difference in reality. It seems that 449 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: styles something you all have drifted away from as the 450 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: show progressed, and for that I'm grateful. Today I'm gonna 451 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: have if you were a listener and recommend these programs 452 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: to anyone who will listen. Hey, wow, thanks man Um. 453 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm really glad you noticed. That is something we've been 454 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: trying very hard to do, and having been listening to 455 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: your new audio podcast, I also have to say great work. 456 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: I'm slightly confused by it, though I know you guys 457 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: catch a lot of flak for the length or lack 458 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: thereof of your programs. So why stretch yourself thin with 459 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: two separate mediums when you could just extend one or 460 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: the other. I'll eat it up regardless. It's something I 461 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: was curious about. It's fair point. It's a it's a 462 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: fair point. I'd like to respond to that one before 463 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: we continue. Uh, it takes us, it takes us more 464 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: time to make some video. Um, ideally we would like 465 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: to if it if it weren't just um, the two 466 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: of us and a huge community of amazing people putting 467 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: up with our bs, Uh, then we would we would 468 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: love to do longer videos. We actually started the audio 469 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: podcast because it was the most efficient way for us 470 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: to get more information and also to get more, um, 471 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: more of our audience involved, you know exactly. And uh, 472 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: just a note here, it's Steve, Yeah, Steve, we are. 473 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: We're changing up our video schedule a little bit and 474 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: instead of putting out too shorter videos every week, new 475 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: shorter videos, we're actually going to be putting out one 476 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: longer video every week than of the new style, and 477 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: they will also have our Digging Deeper series in a 478 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: classic just to give you that information. It should be 479 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: starting this coming week after you hear this, and we'll 480 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: have some more surprises on the way, of course. UM. 481 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: All right. So Steve goes on also mentions UM nine 482 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: eleven and why we said we did we haven't covered 483 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: too much of that, and that is true, and maybe 484 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: can do that. Also mentioned the Belgian child prostitution scandal UM, 485 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: which more and more I think we should do an 486 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: audio podcast on UH. And then he's got some suggestions. 487 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna read these off to you and to everybody listening. 488 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: Casper Hauser, the feral boy who emerged in the streets 489 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: of Europe claiming to be locked in a basement for 490 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: most of his life, ancient technology, UM. And he named 491 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: some stuff that we haven't done. Damascus steel, the iron 492 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: Pillar of Delhi, the lost city of non Mod that's 493 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: in a N, M, A D D for everybody who 494 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,959 Speaker 1: just started checking that out on Google. UM, the sinking 495 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: of three vessels containing thousands of concentration camp survivors by 496 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: British planes, and the fine days of World War Two. 497 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: I haven't heard of this. And so Steve goes on 498 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: to say, apparently documents related to this won't be declassified 499 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: until maybe we can beat him to the punch. What 500 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: do you think, um, Henry Kissinger and oors Venue Rasnevsky, Um, 501 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: And I actually I've read some of their works. I 502 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: read Rasnetsky's The Grand Chessboard, which I think you can 503 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: I believe it's Grand Chessboard might be great chessboard. But 504 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: check that out if you want. Uh, some of the 505 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: guiding views of American policy, and you can see how 506 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: we're still doing some of that stuff today. Other secret societies, 507 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: specifically the assassins Um and the Little Hashish rumor mystery 508 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: cults from antiquity, and one of your favorites, Matt, the 509 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: Zeitgeist movement. That's fascinating to me. Oh Man, Zeitgeist. The 510 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 1: whole thing adendum I think was my favorite where they 511 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: really got into the Venus project. That to me, the 512 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 1: Venus Project is well, I hope that's our future. I've 513 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: really hope that is the future of humanity. Well, it 514 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: sounds like Steve has given us some astonishing and fascinating suggestions. 515 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 1: We want to know if you had to pick maybe 516 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: your top three of the things that Steve just listed, 517 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: let us know which ones you would be most interested in, 518 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,439 Speaker 1: and don't forget to tell us if you have any 519 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: encounters that you think are real life cases of possession, 520 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: or if you think exorcism and or possession is just 521 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: uh totally non supernatural and it's kind of a just 522 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: some way that cultures look at, you know, mental problems 523 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: or sociological problems. Let us know about that too. We 524 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: want to, if possible, solve exorcism and possession. I mean exorcism. 525 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: We know what exorcism is, we know what it's supposed 526 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: to be. So possession really is going to be our 527 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: sequel episode. What do you think? Man? Absolutely and one 528 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: quick point of news or the host of Ghost Adventures 529 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: the TV show recently purchased a home for some crazy 530 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: price like dollars that is allegedly, uh, the home is 531 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: possessed or is in quotes here a gateway to hell. 532 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 1: And he's going to be living in that house and 533 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: investigating it and hopefully he'll be putting out some media 534 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: on it. I have to say it's um, it's not 535 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: my favorite show, but it's it's interesting. I like the 536 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: bravado that guy comes out of. He's just selling it. 537 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: Ghosts Come at me, ghosts, Yo, ghost come at me. 538 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: You're talking about Zach Baggins So that's the Travel Channel's 539 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: Ghost Adventures series. And let's just do a little bit 540 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: of background there. Uh, the houses in Gary, Indiana, who 541 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: was formerly home to a lady named LaToya Emmons a 542 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 1: M M O N s and her three children. They 543 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: were allegedly attacked possessed by these unexplained demonic forces. What 544 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: makes this case different from other cases is that the 545 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 1: sheriff of Yes said, uh, yeah, I said, this really 546 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: is possession or demons. Something's going on. I didn't believe 547 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: it at first, but I saw the kid walk up 548 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: the wall and people were I heard strange, deep voices 549 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: emanating from him. Um, but nobody thought to pick up 550 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: a camera or anything and recorded. I haven't heard any 551 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: physical evidence anything. Yeah. And I was talking to some 552 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: of my friends about this over the weekend, and the 553 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: question that one of the maskment, which is a very 554 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: good question, was well, he said, Ben, the cynic in 555 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: me thinks that this might all just be viral marketing. 556 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: And and then I thought, wow, if that is true, 557 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: the Marcavellian brilliance, you know, just the cold calculating nature 558 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: of that. Um. Zack Beggan's yeah, we have never done 559 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,919 Speaker 1: anything like that. To my knowledge, that's a great idea 560 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: of put out a local news story, way it a while, 561 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: then buy a house and yeah, well well we will see, 562 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,280 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. Uh. But it sounds like either 563 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: way we have to return to several things in upcoming episodes. 564 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: In the meantime, Matt, what's the best way for people 565 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: to find us? You can always check us out on Facebook. 566 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,760 Speaker 1: We are conspiracy Stuff. 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