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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and Nathan Zigura. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's go live on a Thursday edition of the program.

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Speaker 1: The next level is an next We'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what I'd like to do. Listen. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: this isn't a fun show. It's not one that we

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Speaker 1: where we are, but we know we are here. The

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Speaker 1: NFL has appealed the suspension handed down by Judge Sue L. Robinson.

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Speaker 1: You know what I thought was, I mean, there's no

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Speaker 1: I did thought was pretty remarkable. Yesterday is um as

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Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon is. The appeal was made public, and then

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Speaker 1: I started to see all the usual suspects. From an

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Speaker 1: um our sources, the NFL is looking for an indefinite suspension. Well,

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Speaker 1: the NFL is appealing to itself, that's right, So why

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Speaker 1: just give it right? I mean, are we gonna really

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Speaker 1: go through this thing to where now there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a second independent person looking at this if if you're

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Speaker 1: appealing to the NFL, the NFL is appealing to the

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Speaker 1: stuff with the Washington team. Um, but so we've already

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Speaker 1: that he committed. Now people can debate whether it was

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Speaker 1: violent not, that's not what we're trying to debate here.

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Speaker 1: I'm certain when we neither he had said the best

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Speaker 1: that's that's a really good way to put all of this.

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Speaker 1: It is, And again, a federal judge went through the

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Speaker 1: facts of the case, felt that yes, he had obviously

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Speaker 1: by the NFL for a non violent act, and that

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Speaker 1: was six games. You're gonna hear now. And part of

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Speaker 1: ruling of the judge. That's it. That's obviously not gonna

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Speaker 1: Here was the punishment that she thought was appropriate given

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Speaker 1: You guys collectively bargained this without everybody agreeing to what

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Speaker 1: As we now, it is unlikely if you take that

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Speaker 1: he had leverage. Now there isn't leverage on the side

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Speaker 1: a variety of ways, But it's a isn't that even

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Speaker 1: been awesome And can't again say enough great things about

429
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Speaker 1: Amory Cooper and what he's brought not only to our

430
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: receiver group but to the team jacking you address the

431
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: all of the challenges that we faced at the position.

432
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: It seems like everything can look out there. You're losing

433
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 1: another guy and you see about Marie the other day

434
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: and even Donovan when you've got an a little strum

435
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: win with Barton who troping me probably like when you've

436
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 1: brought them that, But can you just address what you've

437
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: gone through this samyament. Yeah. And when I when I

438
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: step in front of the group and we have our meetings,

439
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: when I talk about challenges, we kind of talk about opportunities.

440
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: We flipped flip that word and truly it is an

441
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: opportunity for some of these other guys to show us

442
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 1: what they have and uh, although it might be a

443
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: setback for the individual that suffers the injury, for whether

444
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 1: it's short term or long term, what a great opportunity

445
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: that is for guys like Mike Woods, Um, Mike Harley,

446
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: some of these young rookies to get an opportunity to

447
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: go out there and show us that all the work

448
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: we've done in the meetings and we've had on the

449
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: field individually now can go into a huddle and they

450
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: can again show us that they deserve to be here

451
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: as Cleveland Brown. The thing for Meal going into the

452
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 1: all of wame, I think you can go to kind

453
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: of getters. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you brought him up.

454
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I I'm not standing in front of you

455
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: guys right now. This is my twentieth year in the NFL.

456
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: If it wasn't for Dick Vermeal, and I'm so proud

457
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: of him and his accomplishment that he's going into the

458
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame. And there's so many lessons

459
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: I learned as a coach. I would say the foundation

460
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: of what I am as a coach is probably a

461
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: lot of what he was and what he taught me.

462
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Speaker 1: And the one thing that that I'll always cherished that

463
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 1: I learned from him is the importance of the relationships

464
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: of the players and the coaches and how important that

465
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: is and how special that is. And he's somebody I

466
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: learned a great deal from. I've learned loyalty, I learned

467
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: how to operate about your business and work very extremely hard.

468
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: There's a great story. I was a special team's assistant

469
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: when I was working for him and working with the linebackers,

470
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: and it's when we were still on the paper photo copies.

471
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: We weren't on the iPads like we are now, and

472
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: we had a copy jam. And he was a very

473
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 1: hard worker. He'd be there all hours of the night

474
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: and him and I were the only two in the building.

475
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: It was one o'clock in the morning and I was

476
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: trying to fix a paper jam. I was on my knees.

477
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: He walked past me, said, what's going on here? I

478
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: was actually kicking the machine. He told me to calm

479
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: down and have some poise. He got down on his

480
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: knees and he fixed that copy jam with me. And

481
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: to me, that's always something that is stuck with me

482
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: of how humble of a leader he was. Uh, what

483
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: a great worker, and what a great mentor he's been.

484
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: I still stay in communication with him quite often, and

485
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: I mean I get goose bumps thinking about his honor

486
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,959
Speaker 1: that he's going to receive this weekend in the Hall

487
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: of Fame. I could stuff from Coach there. His room

488
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: is it's it's a room that needs to get healthy

489
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: for starters. Uh, that's the first part of it. You

490
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: need to start seeing Anthony Schwartz on the football field.

491
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: You need to start seeing Dave Bell in football field. Yeah,

492
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: Mike Woods, who had been the guy that had capitalized

493
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: on their absences, wasn't unable to finish practice yesterday. And

494
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: we do not have an update. I missed that the

495
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: rest of it, So I didn't even see that at

496
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: the end that that happened. There was things, other things.

497
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: Yet there was other stuff about the surreal nature of

498
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: the fact, not that because I know that we don't

499
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Speaker 1: want to go back to the surreal nature of the

500
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: fact that he found out on our practice field on

501
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: camera with the NFL network, Like in in the middle

502
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: of a Steve White hit. Wait a second, he heard

503
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: from Steve White. Now he didn't hear from while see

504
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: why she is doing a hit here? Remember he was here? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

505
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: they're like doing a hit. And that's when de Sean.

506
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: You could see Sean being told on the field what

507
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: was what had what it had that they had appealed,

508
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: and then it just so happened. There was a very

509
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: high ranking person from the NFL p A here, I

510
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: don't know because of the hall of fame, because of

511
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: the hall of fame, and so and then as why

512
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: she's just doing the hit, They're like showing that guy

513
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 1: go talk to Watson as he's going in the locker room,

514
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: and Deshaun Watson, to his credit, when you would be

515
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: obviously in I'm sure he was not pleased, got the news,

516
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: processed it for a second, and then when and it

517
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: was military appreciation, and spent his time going everybody in

518
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: that line with the military to thank them for their

519
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: service and for being there, and then and then made

520
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: his way in which it would have been easy to

521
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: be like, you know, a like I'm out, I'm gonna

522
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: go in. Yeah, that's what I was saying when we

523
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: were in the first saying we were talking about it,

524
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: like the whole timing of this feels like this could

525
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: have been done much so, much long ago. Yes, it

526
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: should have been wrapped up at the end of ship,

527
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: been wrapped up, honestly, goodness, it should have been wrapped

528
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: up before he was traded. Correct, as soon as the

529
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: grand jury information was had that once that happens, then

530
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: here's the picked up and where you go. Here's the thing,

531
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: and this is not to be you know, obviously we're

532
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: with the Browns. We are pro I'm a Brown's employee,

533
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: pro Browns in this situation. And the Browns traded for

534
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: Shaun Watson after doing their own their own investigation, which

535
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: they felt very comfortable that a he could work here

536
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: and right now, what we're really talking about as an

537
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: individual's right to work in their chosen profession his current employer,

538
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: even though it's one of the umbrella of the national

539
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: football leage, but his current employers a clearing rounds. They've

540
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: investigated him and they felt comfortable with him playing, which

541
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: is again neither here nor there. But the fact is

542
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: all of these things that are alleged to have happened

543
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: happened while he was a Houston Texans. On some level,

544
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: the Texans were implicated in it, as there were civil

545
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: suits brought against the Texans, all by the same lawyer,

546
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: Tony Buzby that they settled. As of now, it does

547
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: there has not been any type of a punishment met

548
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: it out to the Houston Texans who now got the

549
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: trade to Shaun Watson, have all of our first round

550
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: picks and in some ways you would say, given the

551
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: scope of what it feels like it's happening right now, Jehan,

552
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: their smell like roses, and all of this happened while

553
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: he was under their employee and not the Browns employee,

554
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: which I don't feel right, no, no, but I yeah,

555
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: I don't know that they I don't think that Roger

556
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: Goodell cares clearly about any of that. You know, it's

557
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: been it's a fantastic point. It's a fantastic point. And

558
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: who knows, but it seems like any time that that.

559
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: That's the hard part about this right now is you know,

560
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: you hear from coach and we watched practice this week,

561
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: and we'll watch practice tomorrow, will be out there in

562
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: tomorrow and there are noteworthy things, but it's all tabled

563
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: or couched by But what about this and it's all

564
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: you all view it in the context of this receiving core.

565
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: For example, let's have a football conversation for a second.

566
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: We had this conversation yesterday on the show. This receiving

567
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: corps is plenty good with the Shawn Watson as the quarterback.

568
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: It's a very different receiving core if Deshaun Watson is

569
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: not the quarterback. R. Cooper remains a one. We were

570
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: like a lot of the guys in the room, sure,

571
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: but they really need to get healthy. And much of

572
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: it was bet on the idea that they would be

573
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: elevating by having Deshaun Watson throw them the football. We're

574
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 1: talking about what look what he did with Kiki Kurray

575
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: and all of the things. And now you've got a

576
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: situation where in camp two days ago you didn't have

577
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: three of your top four. But Amory Cooper came right

578
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: back in a nice day yesterday. So you've got a Marie.

579
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: Who's your one. You've done in people's other two. So

580
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you're two most important

581
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: guys have been here the whole time. That's good. Three

582
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: and four, depending on how you wanted to order them,

583
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: would be balance Schwarts. You haven't seen either one of

584
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: them in camp. We saw Swarts for a hot second.

585
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: That's it. The guy who really was your next best

586
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: receiver thus far, and really it has been your third

587
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: best receiver in camp is Mike Woods, and now we

588
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: know that he was unable to finish practice, and you

589
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: fear that it could be something more significant. Right, if

590
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: it's a muscle, if it's you know whatever, because remember

591
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: he was battling muscle soft tissue injuries which kept him

592
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: out of pretty much although t as then he was

593
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: in the mini camp, so he's already had limited time.

594
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: But he's flashed, there's no doubt about. But now I

595
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: we don't know when we'll see. Hopefully it's tomorrow. Hopefully

596
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't. Hopefully this isn't scores, but we'll find out.

597
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: Then You've got Felton and Grant to our have had

598
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: nice camp since you came. Grants, you know, got over

599
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: a thousand years receiving in his career, you know, five

600
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: over five hudd the last two seasons with three touchdowns.

601
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: But he's not an ever down wide receiver for you.

602
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: He's your return guy, and he's gonna be a guy

603
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: that you're gonna put a package of plays in for.

604
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: And that's kind of how Demetric Felton feels. You go

605
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: and you look at who's out there who can still

606
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: come in and produce for this football team. There's Will Fuller.

607
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: But again the issue is right now, health in our

608
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: root in our wide receiver, and he has never stayed healthy.

609
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: DeShawn Jackson, does he still have anything left. There's clearly

610
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: some debate as to whether t Y Hilton has anything

611
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: left or if even wants to play in the NFL,

612
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: And you're just making connected that's the guy who at

613
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: least played with Kobe were said Imanuel Sanders might actually

614
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: be the most complete receiver available to you. But are

615
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: you trying to bring somebody else in at this point

616
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: because in early camp you're not healthy when the expectation

617
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: is both mel and Schwartz are gonna be fine for

618
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: a week one, But do you need to if you're

619
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: not gonna have Watson for at least six games, do

620
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: you need do you feel the need to elevate overall

621
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: your receiving corps? And I don't know the answer to that,

622
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: that's not that's not something you know for me to decide.

623
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: But what I will say is the Browns are fortunate

624
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: to have Chad O'shay that we just heard, because Chad

625
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: O'shay has everywhere he's gone consistently gotten the best out

626
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: of the talent that is in his room. Because he is,

627
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: if not the best, one of the best wide receiver

628
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: coaches in the NFL, and we're very lucky to have

629
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: him here. So he that he helps the situation. Again,

630
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: he can't go out and play, not that you would

631
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: want him do you want to coach, but there's only

632
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: so much that can be done. And this becomes now

633
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: a concerned Now on the flip side, the Browns in

634
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: a situation where they are going to if without Watson,

635
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: imagine we're gonna run an offense. It's more will alert

636
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: to the offense that we have seen in the past.

637
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: So there will be the twelve personnel where you've got

638
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: your two tight ends. You've got Harrison Bryan, You've got

639
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: David and Jokus who are going to help. You've got

640
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: you still got Nick Chubb, you still have Kareem Hunt

641
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: Deerness Johnson to carry the load running the football. You've

642
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: got a quarterback into cover set who can operate that

643
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: play action, that boot game. We just probably won't be

644
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: that slinging around the yard type of a team. And

645
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: that would be the case too, by the way, regardless

646
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: of who's playing quarterback for this team, of the available

647
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: potential options, even getting like way out there and talking

648
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: to the Jimmy GE's the world, Jim and she's not

649
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: a no stand back there and throw it fifty times

650
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: a game, shotgun quarterback at all. So that's you have

651
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: that with Watson, you don't have that without Watson, and

652
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: that's fine. We can be a very successful offense, and

653
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: I think we're a team that is going to be

654
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: carried in large part by our ground game and our defense. Anyway,

655
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: our defense is elite. I'm gonna tell you right now.

656
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: I think we have the best secondary in the NFL.

657
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: I think we may have the fastest linebacking core in

658
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: the NFL. And we've got the best edge rush or

659
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: close to in the conversation tandem in the NFL. So

660
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: we there's still a lot to be excited about with

661
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: this football team, regardless of what the outcomes are here

662
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: with Deshaun Watson. But obviously getting to be out there

663
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: and see it, you realize that this is he is

664
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: unlike everything else and anybody else we've had played the

665
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: position here otto you know, Brian's type was an m

666
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Speaker 1: v P and he's obviously Bernie was tremendous, but he's

667
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: on a he's he is a guy that is going

668
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: to be considered in the top quarterbacks in the league period.

669
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: So that's that all of it is kind of tabled

670
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: by that, So you have to give view things to

671
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: two different spectrums all the time. On this stuff, you

672
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: mentioned some of the some of the fun and cool

673
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: things that are happening out here a camp, especially on

674
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: this defense. We'll get into some of the guys who

675
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: have stood out. Um some of the position battle updates

676
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: is you know we're gonna be in Jacksonville a week

677
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: from today, not playing, but we'll be there as you

678
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: guys are gonna travel what next Wednesdays That when you

679
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: guys are flying down, So you'll be flying to jacksona

680
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: next Wednesday to play a game. We got an actual

681
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: game tonight, by the way, all the Fame game down

682
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,479
Speaker 1: in Canton with Jacksonville, with Jacksonville. Wonderful seet Trevor Lawrence

683
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: next week we I'll seem tonight. We will not see

684
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: him tonight, probably not would be my guests. Let's get

685
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: the Bell Bishop rules in there. It's just simple, like

686
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: it's such a simple fix you have that look forward to,

687
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,879
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Speaker 1: nine nine on that uh in terms of who has

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Speaker 1: it's crazy because we're out there yesterday and every this

707
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: has happened every day that we've done the show out

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00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: there this week. In the three days that we've done

709
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: the show Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, every single day there has

710
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: been a Nick Chubb run that has literally taken my

711
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: breath away while we're on the air, because he's moving

712
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 1: at a different speed than other human beings. Right, Al,

713
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: it's a blur. I mean I can I'll put it

714
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: on right now while we're talking and watch the tape

715
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: of it. But that's what the thing that goes makes me.

716
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: It's insane to watch he's faster than the tape refresh

717
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: rate because and he is. It's just it's a it's absurd.

718
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: And he's not the only one. Jerome Ford had one

719
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: yesterday where he was cooking. But Nick Chubb looks if

720
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: he needs to, he looks ready to carry the load

721
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: if that is what is required for this football team

722
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: to get it done. Nick Chubb looks ready and up

723
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: to the task to do just that. We got we

724
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: have mused little traveling music. Yeah, exciting, it's very very exciting.

725
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: So you got, good Lord, you got you got Nick

726
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: Chubb as a blur. UM in terms of some of

727
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: the other people who have jumped out to you, Um,

728
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: and well, let's do position battles first. Let's circle back

729
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: to defensive tackle. You mentioned Jordan Elliott on the show yesterday, UM,

730
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: and they seemed to be raving about George Elliott and

731
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: making a bit of a jump. Who else in that

732
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: room has made an impression early. Well, Tavin Bryant's a

733
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: guy that he flashes. And I think the hope is

734
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: that if Taven Bryan can get more consistent, that the

735
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: Browns really have gotten themselves free agent gem. Uh he is.

736
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: He has had some dominant plays yesterday to close out practice. Uh,

737
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: they were down in the goal line area and the

738
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: first team offense was on there on on two consecutive plays.

739
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: He was in the backfield and was was a was

740
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: a play wrecker. And so the that's what they're looking

741
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: for out of Taven Brian, that's what they think he

742
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: could do. Remember, this guy's a first round talent. I've

743
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: I've been doing my research getting ready for the season.

744
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: One of the things that I found, which is always

745
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: a lot of fun as you get into ah, you

746
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: know college nicknames, and and he was nickname while he

747
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: was at the University of Florida was the Wyoming wild Man,

748
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: as he hails from Wyoming, the great state of Wyoming.

749
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: And uh there, yeah, exactly, And there's one right there

750
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: where he I'm watching right now, and that was actually

751
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: him working on Wyatt Teller, who was a pro bowler,

752
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: all pro right guard and was able to get into

753
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: the backfield. And so that's a guy that they're counting on.

754
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: Perion I'm told has been you know, he is unbelievably talent,

755
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: did unbelievably athletic, unbelievably strong. It's a matter for him

756
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: of mastering the defense's responsibilities within that defense and and

757
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: bringing that to the field. And if he can do that,

758
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: they're very excited about period. But I think the two

759
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: guys we thought we were gonna start are gonna start.

760
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: Tommy Toby has put some good weight back on. He's

761
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: been able to get his hands on the ball a

762
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: few times, so he's had He's had a good camp.

763
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: But really it's it's Elliott and Brian and what we

764
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: have not really seen yet. And it's early because there's

765
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: still in the kind of the initial installs of the

766
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: defenses Alex right inside him. I talked to him about

767
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: that yesterday right interview. But that is something that I

768
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: know is in the works at some point here for

769
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: the Browns. And I think the Browns are also looking

770
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: into some some different packages where at times you'll see

771
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Miles and Clowney that's it. And then

772
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: you can go Miles Clowney with let's call it j

773
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: Ok Phillips and TOCKI and a blitz as I'll stand

774
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: up blitzers, and then behind that you can have your

775
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: three corners, three safeties and just have kind of this

776
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: vast unit where you're gonna be pressures from a lot

777
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: of different spots they have and that's when you watch it.

778
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you have the ability to do that. You

779
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: have so many supreme athletes on the defensive side of

780
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: the ball in the back seven that yeah, and then

781
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: the other thing about it is Miles and Jadavion are

782
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: such havoc reakers that that's how that that's how you

783
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: do that. You can do that with this type of personnel,

784
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: And that jumps out, how's Nick Carris doing at center?

785
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: Carris has been great? And that's why it's one of

786
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: those things. When we signed Ethan Postic, who has you know,

787
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: made numerous starts in the NFL for the Seattle Seahawks,

788
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people initially thought that that

789
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: was going to be a competition, like, yeah, we liken

790
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: the Carriss, but you know, Ethan Postics started forty games.

791
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: He's you know, second around pick back in two thousand

792
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: seventeen for the Seahawks, and it is not a competition.

793
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: He is the starter and the returns have been very

794
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: good on him, which is what they expected. They expected

795
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: him to be good, and he is good. So that

796
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: I feel great about our offensive line. I think everybody

797
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: feels great about our offensive line. Never mind me, was

798
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: it the line in old school? I think everybody knows.

799
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: You had a great time, Frank, So it's awesome. It's awesome.

800
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: Ricky Bobby was one of you. Pick it on. I

801
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: picked it up where he was the dad just threw

802
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: him in the car with the live cougar. I don't

803
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: even made sure this is safe. Yes, so great. I

804
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: hadn't seen that the very very no not safe. Look, folks,

805
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: really really talented football team. There really aren't any questions

806
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: outside of really truly, the only questions are at receiver,

807
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: and that's just health. That's health related right now, and

808
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: then depth and how it's gonna play out of defense.

809
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: Everything else is locked in, the right linebackers are locked

810
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: in in terms of you got what you four starters

811
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: is what we were talking about yesterday. Four starters there, Uh,

812
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: your secondary is loaded. I mean it might be you

813
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: walk around that with a lot pride coach, that's you're

814
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: walking around maybe in the league. I think it's in.

815
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: It's in. It's in play. I mean when you talk

816
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: about when I was looking at at the safety situation

817
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: with Johnson, Ronnie looks good and then Delpot looks like

818
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna take a leap like that's just that's crazy.

819
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: That's yeah, you are loaded there. And the guy that

820
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: has been really exciting and I did a two minute

821
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: drill with him yesterday as he walked off the field,

822
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: I'd recommend checking out his His Brown's breakdown is m

823
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Speaker 1: J Emerson and you know you go, and there's a

824
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: rep yesterday from yesterday's practice where he is one on

825
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: one with a Marie Cooper at the bottom of of

826
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: of the field the bottom of the screen if you're

827
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: watching it on TV. And he is just absolutely in

828
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: the hip pocket of a MARII Cooper for the entirety

829
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: of the route. And his confidence is big. He a

830
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: desire to compete is I'm told, you know huge. And

831
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: this is a fourth down drill and he's got one

832
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: on with Marie Cooper and that's the direction Watson wants

833
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: to go and m j Emerson is just right there.

834
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: He is writing that hip pocket. He is sticky in

835
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: coverage and and he's he's made an impression. And and

836
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: at this point right now, is he ready to push

837
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: Greedy Williams? I don't know. Greedy was excellent last year.

838
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: As we said, he give up only one play of

839
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: more than forty yards all season long. He gave one

840
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: touchdown all year long. Greedy Williams played very very well

841
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: and is healthy and and the Browns are excited about him.

842
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: A J. Green's had a good camp as well. Were

843
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 1: it is a loaded cornerback room. But the Browns field

844
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: now that they got him here, they're very pleased and

845
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: obviously want to get into games and you want to

846
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: see little more. But they have been very pleased with

847
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: m j Emerson and what he has been able to do.

848
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: By the way, I was wrong about that Greed did

849
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: not allow a forty yard pass last year, and there

850
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: it was one. One thing was one touchdown. No forty

851
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: yard passes on the season was really good. I go

852
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: back to this stat first of all, the guy six

853
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: to talk about m j Emerson's got long arms thirty

854
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: three and Charms. He was targeted just thirt cent of

855
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: his coverage snaps in the SEC. Like in the SEC,

856
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: you're playing people who are going to be playing in

857
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: the NFL for the most part, right, And I don't

858
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: imagine unless there's a healthy dose of just straight up

859
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: known respect for your ability to play the position, you're

860
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: not given somebody the Dion Sanders treatment. Well, no, and

861
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: he you also would he Let's remember he played at

862
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: Mississippi State, which continues to be in the SEC West.

863
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: So you've been doing so against Alabama, which had the

864
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy winner and one of the most people locking up,

865
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams. Yeah, so you had you had that, you

866
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: had Old miss who had Matt Corrall, who threw it

867
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: around a ton was in that uh, Texas A and

868
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: m whichever quarterback they had, especially as the season went along.

869
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: I don't remember when Missisippi State State played them, but

870
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: they but as a season went along, they were very

871
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: comfortable throwing it. L s U has always been. They

872
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: weren't good last year, but they'll they'll throw the ball around.

873
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: So No, your point is well made that he played

874
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: in the toughest division in college football, with some of

875
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: the most prolific offenses in the sport, and to not

876
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: be challenged just pretty wild. It is wild. He stands

877
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: out though. You look at you see him in that

878
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: twenty three, and he just looks the part like a

879
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: good number. Yeah, yeah, you good look at him. Yeah

880
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: it is. It's a good look at number. And he's

881
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: a he's a bigger, lanky I mean again, he looks

882
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: a lot like a lot of the rest of those guys.

883
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: We have a lot of guys six two, six three,

884
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: eighteen thirty two eight, like, we have a lot of

885
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: guys that are kind of in that body type and

886
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: they all kind of look the same. One of the

887
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: things that they like about him the most, and this

888
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: is a guy when he was do a little Chris

889
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: Collinsworth here and now here's a guy. Here's a guy.

890
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 1: So his dB coach in Mississippi State was Darryl McBeth.

891
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: One of the other dB another assistant dB coach at

892
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: Mississippiate while he was there was Terrell Buckley, Oh Florida State,

893
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: former first round pick cornerback. And so he's got obviously

894
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: he's been taught by some very very good players in

895
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: Tarle Buckley, who was a first round pick, and they

896
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: just said he is a sponge like he just wants

897
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: to be good. He wants to compete and is don't

898
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: doing everything. And I'm told he has taken so quickly

899
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: to the changes in the technique that Brandon Lynch and

900
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 1: Jeff Howard are asking him to play. That is making

901
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: him more effective. And he's playing doing that with confidence.

902
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: And it was funny. I asked him after practice and

903
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: you can get the two minute roll on our YouTube

904
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: page YouTube dot com slash Browns. I asked him, you know,

905
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: how do you feel after seven days of train camp

906
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: compared to you know, when you first came in here

907
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: in the room, Mini, he said, I'll be honest, he's like,

908
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: I was a little lost. He said it Now I'm

909
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: feeling good. I've got it. It's it's locking in. It

910
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: is awesome to see he loves he loves the game,

911
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: loves the game. Yeah, yeah, he's it's it's a special group.

912
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna this defense is it's gonna be something ahead.

913
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: And we haven't seen Denzel yet. That's a thing. Like

914
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: our secondary has looked very good and we haven't even

915
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: seen Denzel yet. No, no, and he good he is good.

916
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: He is good. I like the air Max as he

917
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: said on this week. I haven't seen those in a while.

918
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: Those the they were the tuned air ones. He had

919
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: him in the in the bright green and black stripes.

920
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: They look good. I couldn't be comfortable. I couldn't blow,

921
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: but he looks you can anything. I don't know. UM,

922
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: all right, we will. We'll take a continue our look

923
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,719
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941
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: a blast today. The half of the half today was

942
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: like a heavy bench day. No Big Deally threw up

943
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: three six five? Did you like? That's an insane amount

944
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: of weight. The conversation that we had tuesday a on

945
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: air with him when we were talking about like the

946
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: fights in practice, because there was a little skirmish that happened,

947
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: and then he gave all of this incredible detail on

948
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: the various altercations that had happened that he had won.

949
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: That he had won, he was undefeated basically all the time,

950
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: which you look at me and you go, yeah, I

951
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: bet he is undefeated. I don't know if people viewed

952
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: him that way when he played though, because he's such

953
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: a lovable character. I don't know if people viewed him

954
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: as ruthless as he is as a competitor and how

955
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: singularly he driven he is to dominate. Yes, to dominate,

956
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: to crush. Yeah, he's a machine. There was it. There

957
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: isn't his mind a natural order of things in that

958
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: order features himself at the top. And he doesn't want

959
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: anything to disrupt No, that order of things. No, it

960
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: was funny. We were, Um, I was actually we were

961
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: at the ten year olds full contact practice last night

962
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: and they were doing like basics of blocking, you know,

963
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: and how to block in all of this, and I'm thinking,

964
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: I actually have like a fifteen minute master class on blocking.

965
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: If we want to want to talk about it, I

966
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: can tell you what Joe Thomas does. I don't know

967
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: how useful. I don't know how useful it will be

968
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: for you guys, Um, but it was interesting just we

969
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: have this. We have a couple of kids who are

970
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: like one kid particular, who loves Joe, who plays left tackle,

971
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: who's the biggest kid on the team, and loves the

972
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: idea of being the left tackle, like loves just road grading,

973
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: like he's gotten into it, um. And I talked to

974
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: him about, you know, some of the stuff Joe with,

975
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, how Joe would train with guys with martial

976
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: arts and with his shands and leverage and all of

977
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: that stuff. And the kid just lit up. Um, And

978
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: you think about the way you're taught to play those positions,

979
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: and then the way that Joe took those little bricks

980
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: and then just every year kept adding another layer to

981
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: the point of playing it to the level of you know,

982
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: the Picasso of the offensive line is what he was.

983
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: I mean, he's on a list Tim and Munos and

984
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: a couple of others. Is the greatest offensive lineman in

985
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: the history of the lake. Yeah, it's it's he is,

986
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: It's wild and it was funny. At the end of

987
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: our work out today, he's like, you know, like he's like,

988
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: thanks for pushing me big Ze. I'm like, and I

989
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: think he meant I think he actually meant it. I

990
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: think it's probably just like here's look you everything you do,

991
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: you do it at the best level that you can

992
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: do it at. There's no That's something that I appreciate

993
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: a great deal, Um, is that when you go into something,

994
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: you go into it all in. And so I'm sure

995
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 1: that you being there with him it's comforting. It certainly

996
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: helped me because this is the first time, like a

997
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: part of the program we were doing on day three

998
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: features bench and you go ten get some music for it.

999
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: Why not, it's exciting. He goes ten and then every

1000
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: minute on the minute. So first set is ten, that's

1001
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: just the one, then five, then three, then two, then

1002
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: one than one. Benching your max without a spot or

1003
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: is hard because you can only you can only really

1004
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: do what you know you can handle right, otherwise there

1005
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: could be big problems. And so it was cool having

1006
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: him there today and I was able to do something

1007
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: that was exciting, and like I said, look, I try

1008
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: to stay and I was pretty close to it, but

1009
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: I tried to stay it about six of him and

1010
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: that makes me feel really good. And so I was.

1011
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: I was in that realm. But I mean three five,

1012
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: it's just a it's a monster number. Just watch him

1013
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: throw up. And then we did a really cool thing

1014
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: which I don't get to do without him, which is

1015
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: you put really heavy weight on, like your max heavy

1016
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: weight on, and you do a three second negative, so

1017
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: you're just trying to bring it all the way down

1018
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: for three seconds hold and then you need somebody to

1019
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 1: pull them hard back up because you're gas Three sets

1020
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: of three of that and that was my chest. Tomorrow

1021
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: is gonna be on fire. But it's a blast man.

1022
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: The best man's tomorrow. Yeah, here's the crazy thing. The

1023
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: workout that we did today. He had already come here

1024
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: at six am and and done a workout with Evan

1025
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: Marcus our Strength Guide to do like carries and all

1026
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: this different stuff. Then he went and did yoga and

1027
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: then came here to do that third word and like,

1028
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: why why are you doing that? Like, I appreciate, I

1029
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: love it, It's great. What um The Mrs Hoff said

1030
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: yesterday as we were talking to her off off air

1031
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: about UM, you know Joe and all of it, how

1032
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: much we love him, and uh, it was great to

1033
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 1: get to talk to her. I've never talked about before.

1034
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: I never better before, but it was great to get

1035
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: to talk to her UM. And she was talking about

1036
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: she said, I'm sure she won't mind me sharing this.

1037
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: I told him I can't work out with him. I

1038
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: don't have time for this, Like I got four kids, Like, yeah,

1039
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. Just just get to it. What's that

1040
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: We were in there for ninety minutes today. I have

1041
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: no time for that. What can they do with thirty minutes?

1042
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: He's awesome. He's just he's awesome, and he loves it

1043
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: and he loved to be in here and getting to

1044
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: be around, you know, talking to the guys, and he's, uh,

1045
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: he's fired up. He's he's a special human being. We

1046
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: are lucky to have become friends with him and to

1047
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: get to do the show with him, which we'll do tomorrow.

1048
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: But also for the Browns is an organization to have

1049
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: that as your ambassador and to have that as a

1050
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: guy who wants to come back and make the younger

1051
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: players better and and help wherever he can. And like

1052
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: he's so he's like, I think I get to go

1053
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: the walkthrough and the other meetings, and he was all

1054
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: fired up about that. Here's the thing though, that's the

1055
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: funniest about the funniest thing that he said to me today.

1056
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: So we're in there and it was like the sas

1057
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: and so you can well pose it in doing whatnot,

1058
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: which is hilarious, and then like I'll look and I'll

1059
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I actually look all right, And then

1060
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: he poses next like all right, cool, awesome, that's great. Uh,

1061
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 1: And I do realize this is one of the greatest

1062
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: presional athletes of all time. Understand that you're saying, I'm

1063
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: just like a normal forty four year old amer You

1064
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: give me a nice company. He said, um, he's like

1065
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: you have great like motor skills, like I can tell

1066
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: you something and kind of show you something and then

1067
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: you're able to translate that into your body. I was like,

1068
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: well it was like a decent amateur, right, but I

1069
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: thought that was raising. So this is the part that

1070
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: killed me. So we were like checking that the apps

1071
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: a little bit and I'm like, I got my top

1072
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: Two's like your tap two are great because that's working

1073
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: at It's like your core is strong, you have your

1074
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: top twobbs. Here he goes the rest of it. Sid

1075
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, I eat, well, is it maybe I drink

1076
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: too much wine or whatever? And I'm he's like, oh,

1077
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 1: and you're in your forties and that thanks so and

1078
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: he like, you know, pops abs, he's shredded as you've

1079
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: you've seen veins popping everywhere. So then he goes, you know,

1080
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: Annie and I decided, you know, this summer, we have

1081
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: a lot of traveling we're doing. We've got a lot

1082
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: of fun like events where you like, we're just gonna

1083
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: let ourselves go, like let's just enjoy and indulge, indulge,

1084
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: and we're gonna let ourselves go. But he goes, but

1085
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: in the fall, we're gonna get lean, We're gonna get serious.

1086
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, wait, wait, he's saying right now, he's

1087
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: let go. Yeah, he let himself let go. That's like,

1088
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Your veins are popping through

1089
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: your skin everywhere on your body, Your vascularities outrageous. You're shredded,

1090
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: by the way, didn't his wife didn't she play volleyball

1091
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: at Wisconsin's She looks like you'd play tomorrow for teams

1092
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: like six, looks like she could play tomorrow for the US,

1093
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: like they're gonna have four little olympians run around. Wait

1094
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: do you see? Wait? How do you how do you

1095
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: shred what they already are? I don't know, but I

1096
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: think you should be working like as like a future

1097
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: courts at playing seeds the bold and oh my god

1098
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: lined up right? Yeah, a young lady huff and the bold.

1099
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: I feel like that's like Louise be a big win.

1100
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: I got to get that all sorted out. I feel

1101
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: like we need to talk about some position battles since

1102
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: we have this music playing. I'm actually having fun talking

1103
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: nonsense with the music playing, Like I kind of need

1104
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: a little nonsense to be honest, it's do, it's do.

1105
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: It's definitely do. Um are there when you when you

1106
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: talk about the end bottom of the roster, give me

1107
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: a five? I mean the music is playing. I feel

1108
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: like we should justify the music being played. We didn't

1109
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: ask for the music. No, I know, we've it's been

1110
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: on for like forty five minutes. I kind of think

1111
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: it's so like the last half of the second hour

1112
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: two like I kind of saying it. I think it's

1113
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: kind of a funny bit that we're just just a

1114
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: bit we're just ignoring it or ignoring the music. All right,

1115
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 1: here's what here's what I'll saying. Just give me, give

1116
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: me roster break roster breakdown. So quarterback quarterback, you're gonna

1117
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 1: Harry two into the season, and obviously you it's probably

1118
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: gonna be Brisset and someone else. I don't know if

1119
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: it ends up being Josh Jobs or Josh Rosen. Josh.

1120
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: They've they've got to pick up their level of performance

1121
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: at camp right now. Although as I talked to one

1122
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: personnel executive and they said, well, third and fourth quarter Like,

1123
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: where are the good third and fourth quarterbacks at? Because

1124
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: that's in reality what they are. They don't exist, so um,

1125
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's why, that's why I like, if you

1126
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: think about Chase, Daniel and McCoy, like, these guys can

1127
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: hang around forever because they're like competent, competent right exactly

1128
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: the word they're competent. So that's Corbett running back. I

1129
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: think you're set your four year four now. Could somebody

1130
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: come calling and say, hey, a devastating injury to a

1131
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: guy who was going to be a star or something

1132
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: like that. Could somebody kind of calling and try to

1133
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: get into our depth. Possibly, But provided there is no

1134
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 1: move of that nature, you're gonna have. You're you're gonna

1135
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: Chub Hunt Johnson and Jerome Ford wide receiver. Our top

1136
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: four are our top four, and that's a Mari Cooper, Donovan,

1137
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: People's Jones, David Bell, Anthony Schwartz, Jachim Grant counts in

1138
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: this room. So that's five. The question then becomes Mike Woods,

1139
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: Dimitric Felton. I don't see us going to seven, but

1140
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: that's that's how it feels right now. So there's a

1141
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: battle for that sixth spot. Tight end room. I think

1142
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: you're top four right now. Are your top four? Because

1143
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: of Stantons versatility, to play fullback as well. But could

1144
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: they only go with three tight ends? Possible? Possible? Forest

1145
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: All right now is in. I would put him in third,

1146
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: but stands having a very good camp. And we're gonna

1147
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: hear from TC McCart and you talk about the Titans

1148
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: in just a little bit, so maybe even next after

1149
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: this fun music. Now we got around the league next, okay, um,

1150
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: So that's where there's some there's some pressure there. You've

1151
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: got Nikeya Griffin Stewart who has been in the league

1152
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: for one year. He liked t. C'll hear him talking

1153
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: about him. Move tight end, has good hands working on

1154
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: the run blocking part of it. Zaire Mitchell Payden is

1155
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: he's a very hard worker. And then Marcus Santa Silva

1156
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: is the project to his basketball player. I think he

1157
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: has a future here, but I don't know that. We're

1158
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: talking about fifty three man as a rookie. So you

1159
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: go to the offensive line. Here's where I think it

1160
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: actually is getting interesting. Here's who I think is on

1161
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: the roster today. You're five starters, Hubbard, Hudson, Post, that's eight.

1162
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: There is a battle and we are seeing different combinations

1163
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: with that second team at the guard positions I have

1164
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,919
Speaker 1: seen for a while. It was Blake Hants and yelled

1165
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: the froe Holt we're getting the first like were they

1166
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: were the guards for the second team. And then on

1167
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: this past one, as I'm watching the tape right now,

1168
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: on this past one, the guards were Drew Forbes on

1169
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: the left, Blake Hants on the right. I've seen Drew

1170
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: Forbes in my we done, so I think you've got

1171
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: a competition between Forbes Done, fro Holt Enhance. Four guys

1172
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: for one or two spots because Postics played guard as

1173
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: well in the league, so there's four guys for one

1174
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,439
Speaker 1: or two spots there, and I think that's interesting. Dawson Deeton,

1175
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: who they drafted, of course, you know you drafted the guy,

1176
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: maybe's in the mix. But at least as of now,

1177
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: Dawson Deaton has been working with the third team exclusively.

1178
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: I have not seen him yet get any second team reps,

1179
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: so that would make it feel like it's gonna be

1180
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: a little bit harder for him. So that's a pressure point.

1181
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: In terms of roster d line, we haven't seen Sheldon

1182
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: Day yet, but Sheldon Day to ye, I are probably

1183
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: going for one spot defensive end Chase Winovitch, Stephen Weatherly,

1184
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, Isaac Rochelle. They're probably going for one spot

1185
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: right now. Winovich would be the favorite there, but that's

1186
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: probably going for one spot. Linebacker. You've got Tony fields

1187
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: Um that you would think is probably your linebacker five.

1188
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: And then the question is do we keep six linebackers.

1189
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't know that we would keep six linebackers. You

1190
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: have four starters and you really only have, you know,

1191
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: the five guys on the roster. They would be there

1192
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: to play special teams. Now, Dakota Allen is a special

1193
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: team's guy. Willie Harvey's had a couple of nice days

1194
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: of camp, and they love Silas Kelly, the undrafted free

1195
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,479
Speaker 1: agent with the great hair hair. So that's that's that's

1196
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: a little tough. But we're talking about bottom of the roster.

1197
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: I think we might only keep the five corners. If

1198
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: you do keep six, her Miller, Uh, Parnell Motley, those

1199
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: guys are kind of maybe in the mix. Reggie Robinson,

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01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: Sean Jolly, that's the four, but I would probably say

1201
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: Miller and Motley right now of a little bit of

1202
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: an advantage. And then it's safety rich LeCount Javante Moffatt

1203
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: d Anthony Bell for maybe one spot. That becomes a

1204
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: pretty interesting mix right there. So that's but this is

1205
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. And then Charlton and bjork is

1206
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: one and Punter will make the football team. But nothing

1207
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: of consequence here. And I don't know that there's you know,

1208
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: sometimes who's gonna be the big name surprise. I don't

1209
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: know if there's a big name surprise on this team

1210
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: that would get cut. I don't know that that's even

1211
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: no in the rerum of possibility. It's this roster has

1212
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: been expertly put together. Yeah, what is known is very

1213
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: well known, and and it's there's there's not a whole

1214
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: lot of room to it. I know that it's something

1215
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: we do around here a lot. It's so who's who's

1216
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: who's gonna win this start? And a lot of it's

1217
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: sorted out. It's not real exciting, but it means you

1218
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: have a good football team. That's what that means. In

1219
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: the old days, you're saying, well, who's gonna win this job,

1220
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: who's gonna who's gonna be the starting this this because

1221
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: you're not a very good football team. We have a

1222
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: really good football, very football team. So that's that's why

1223
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: it is the way that it is. Um all right,

1224
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Speaker 1: Um said it earlier this week. It's a shame that

1239
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: that's the way that this game is played, that you're

1240
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: not gonna see anybody or anything. And I'm surprised that

1241
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: NBC puts up with it. I'm surprised. I think there's

1242
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: a million ways you could sort it out. You can

1243
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: go thud. That would do it. You could say, look,

1244
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: everyone's got to play their starters for one series and

1245
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: just have the understanding that nobody to anybody below the

1246
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: waist or near the head. I mean, that's there's a

1247
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: million ways we're gonna have the Eagles in here in

1248
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: two weeks and we're gonna have no one's gonna get

1249
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: hurt and it's all gonna be fine. So like the

1250
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: notion that you can't see Trevor Lawrence night very at

1251
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: least have the quarterbacks and the skill guys go out there. Yeah,

1252
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: that's all anybody cares about. Anyway you want to protect

1253
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: the offensive line, I'd rather watch if they were doing

1254
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: one on ones Lawrence throw it. Not interested. And it's

1255
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: gotten so much worse there. This was this is always

1256
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: the worst game, which I think it always sucks for

1257
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: Can It sucks for Hall of Fame weekend that they

1258
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 1: do it this way. But it's gotten worse. It's really

1259
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: gotten worse. There. Used to at least they'd get you

1260
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: a series of the starters. They give you a series,

1261
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, but it's been a long time since you've

1262
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: even gotten that. Um. It does kick off the marquee

1263
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: weekend for the league, and it's obviously a ton of

1264
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: headlines for the whole league this weekend with with the

1265
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: Shawan and then I'll tell you we spent so much.

1266
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: We had Charles on, he's just the best, and we

1267
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: were talking about obviously the Watson stuff, and at the

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Speaker 1: end of it, I asked him the question about Miami

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Speaker 1: and are you are you surprised ee that there has

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Speaker 1: been no punishment for Brady in this No, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean he faked a retirement, colluded with an NFL

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Speaker 1: team to become a player owner of the NFL team

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Speaker 1: while under contract with a current team. That's what happened. Yeah,

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01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: that you would think that there would be some type

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01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: of a punishment, But my guess is there again, and

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Speaker 1: this is the point I was making with Charles Estate.

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Speaker 1: There's something to it that in a situation where an

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Speaker 1: owner and a player both committed a wrongdoing, the owner

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Speaker 1: was held to a higher standard of punishment, which has

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Speaker 1: been the crux of the argument on one side for

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Speaker 1: the n f L p A and the Deshaun Watson

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Speaker 1: that owners have not been punished for sexual misconduct, and

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01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: so they're saying, well, hell, look over here, Yeah, play.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady's fine, we got the owner. We got the owner.

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Speaker 1: By the way, what does the suspension even mean for

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Speaker 1: an owner? What does it mean the listen? Dan Snyder's

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01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: even trying. I I'm in the south of France. I'm

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01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: fine not to see here. What do I need to

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01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: go from International waters? That's it? Oh, there's Gibby. Gibby's here.

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01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: I thought maybe you need a little help out of

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Speaker 1: the bullpen here. Enjoy yourself music. There are three teams

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01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: that have been docked first round picks for various offenses

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01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: over the years. All three involved one Tom Brady at

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Speaker 1: the center of him. Yeah, de Flate, Gates by Gate

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Speaker 1: and this although yeah, I just think it's I just

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01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: think it's amazing that like he faked, he went that

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01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: whole retirement was nonsense. He faked a retirement to try

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01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: to engineer himself to Miami craziness. Craziness. Who are we

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Speaker 1: going to play next year in the Hall of Fame game?

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Speaker 1: Who's hof going in with? I feel like I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: announcing it right now. The Cleveland Brown is gonna play

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01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame him next year. The question

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01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: is who are we playing against? Who's in the hops class.

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01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: I don't know who's going in next year. That's all

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Speaker 1: I care about. I'm a I'm a I'm just trying

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Speaker 1: to Let's see if we can sort the sorted out.

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01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: All right, So this will be twenty three All of

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Speaker 1: Fame class. Let's see what what this gets us? All right? Categories?

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Speaker 1: All right, So here are your look aheads for James Harrison.

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01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: He doesn't feel like a half to me. Does he

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01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: have enough juice? They're enough all pros there for him.

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Speaker 1: Here here are some of the guys who will be

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Speaker 1: first ballot guys. Next, it's Vas, So, it's Cam Chancellor,

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Speaker 1: Jerry Evans, Matt Ford, not come on, Dwight Freeney, James Harrison,

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Speaker 1: Carson Palmer, Darryl Reevas, Harrison two time All Pro, five

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Speaker 1: times Bower Hall of Fame based strictly on what he

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01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: did to our quarterbacks, and three a character but like

1318
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: it was, three seasons of double digit sacks once was

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01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: the defensive Player of the Year in two thousand and eight.

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01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's Revas, it's Res, It's Freeney better? Is

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01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: Freeis Case better than I think? Could he sneaky be

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01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: have a really good Super Bowl? Champ, seven time Pro Bowl,

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Speaker 1: three time first Team All Pro, two four NFL sack leader,

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01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: so he's in the mix. I don't know about first ballot.

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Speaker 1: Seven seasons of double digit sacks. I think it'll be

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Speaker 1: us against the Jets. I'm gonna say it's us in

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01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: the Jets next year in the in the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame game. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Who's going in?

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Speaker 1: It's Jags Raiders? What is it tonight? It's Jags Raiders tonight?

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Speaker 1: Who's going in? Sally? And is it who's going in

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01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: for the Raiders this weekend? This is not a loaded

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01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: class like it's like night young is Richard Seymour in

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01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: this class? But Sally, there's an old time. There's an

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01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: old time so happy there's an old time guy. That's

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01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: that I'm blanking from the Raiders. Who's going in after

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01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: a long time out? Two selly Cliff branch the branch.

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01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: So it'll be yes against the Jets next year. It'll

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01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: be yes against the Jets. That's what that's going to

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01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: be next year in the Hall of Fame game. As

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Speaker 1: we get to see the hof It's a bold prediction.

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01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: Con I'm telling you book it Revus be in the

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01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame game. Since when we came back, Revus

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01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: Off are going to headline the class gotten got into

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01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I remember excited, being excited to

1345
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 1: watch that just to see like the Browns uniforms again.

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01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 1: I had no dog in the fight ulievable night in

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01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 1: that didn't Tide Debtmer? Did he get the start? Do

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01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: I have that right? Tide Deer started the season? I

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01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 1: don't know if I feel like no. I don't think

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01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: it was Couch because I wanted to see Couch because

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01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: I didn't have it. I had no ties so higher

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01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: at that point, I'm pretty sure that that it was

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01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: Debtmer who had the who started that game? So us

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01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: in the Jets. You heard it here. I heard her first.

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01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: That's that's beyond scores. That's bucket by your buy your

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01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: tickets and sharpie get it done. El canel Serious Lawyers

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Speaker 1: for Serious Injuries called one hundred elk Ohio for a

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Speaker 1: free case review. El Canelka is a proud partner of

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01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: your Cleveland Browns. Oh before Rob I did I did

1360
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: didn't did miss this? The Cardinals wide receiver Hollywood Brown

1361
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 1: risk in charge with criminal speeding Wednesday morning, confirmed by

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01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: the Arizona Department of Public Safety. How fast was he going?

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01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: What's criminal speeding? Over eighty five? It's Arizona, Like the

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01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 1: speed limits got to be like seventy five out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you think you think so, Montana's eighty. Yeah, it's

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01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: a Wyoming's eighty. I mean, I'm sure you're I'm sure

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01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: the speed limit in Arizona on the on the freeways

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01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: is sight but maybe he was doing it as as

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01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: hopefully not residential. Don't dummy, Like, if you're out on

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Speaker 1: the away and he's driving a car that's equipped, go

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Speaker 1: for it alight. By the way. One last piece of

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01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: NFL news, Deonte Johnson receives a two year extension where

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01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 1: thirty six point seven million dollars. He's a good player

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01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: and I was gonna throw the ball, but he's a

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01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 1: good player. He is. Doesn't seem like things are going

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01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 1: swimmingly over there at the quarterback. Now it's been a

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01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 1: Mitchell headed of course, and why wouldn't it, Why would it? Yeah,

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01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 1: I go back to this. Mitch Trobinsky was on full

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01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: display as a starter for the Bears. Obviously not maybe

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01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 1: three system for a couple of years after that, the

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01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: only team in the league that would give him a

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01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: one year I think it was two and a half

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01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: a million dollars, may have been three and a half,

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01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: but two and a half to three and a half

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01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 1: million dollars for a quarterback is not much. Only one

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01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: team would give him a contract that was the Bills.

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01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 1: So he signs it one year, basically quarterback minimum. That's

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01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: kind of what it feels like to go back up

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01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. He backs up Josh Allen, doesn't play, Josh

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01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 1: Allen plays, and then gets a two year, fourteen million

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01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: dollar deal to be a starting quarterback. So when we

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01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: saw him as a star her, we said this guy

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01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: can't start. Then when we don't see him as a

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01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: starter and he's just a backup, we say, yeah, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: great job, good job out of you. Uh, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk some tight ends with coach TC McCartney. That is

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01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: coming up next. You to Clean the Browns Daily on

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01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: ESPN Cleveland. Cleveland Browns Daily on e s p N Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cleveland Brown's Daily. Very happy now, first

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Speaker 1: time on the show talking with Brown's tight end coach

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Speaker 1: TC McCartney and TC welcome. It's great to finally get

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01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: to talk to you. Absolutely, it's great to be here.

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01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: So for the people who may not know some of

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01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: your background and give your background not only just as

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01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: a coach that's gotten you to the point to be

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01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: the tight ends coach for the Browns, but your background

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01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,640
Speaker 1: in the game that you love football got so I

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01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: kind of grew up UM in the game. UM. My

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01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: grandfather was the head coach of Colorado. UM, so kind

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01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: of a coach's kid. UM, and I played for my uncle.

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01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: My uncle is my high school coach. And then I

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01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 1: ended up at playing at l s U, walking on

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01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: there and in a scholarship. I didn't play much, but

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01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna coach, so UM I always

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01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: had my eyes on that. UM ended up being there,

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01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: don't know. We had a good run. We played in

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Speaker 1: two national championships in one one when I was there.

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01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 1: UM ended up at Colorado for two years as a

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Speaker 1: g a UM and then I moved to UH Cleveland

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Speaker 1: because of my first NFL job. I was here. UM

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01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 1: then I jumped to San Francisco for a year and

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01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: then to Baton Rouge, back to L s U for

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01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: a year and back to San Francisco for two years. Uh,

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01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 1: then I got the quarterback job in Denver, um and

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01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: then end up here in so with the quarterbacks for

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01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 1: two years and now here at the tight end. So

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01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 1: moved around a lot, been a lot of places, but

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be back here in Cleveland. So you're a

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Speaker 1: football lifer, absolutely, absolutely. I don't know. I've never had

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Speaker 1: a real job. This is the only thing I've ever

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01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: done or what. It's pretty good, right, it's not not

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01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: a bad thing. And so you go back to when

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01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: you're here with Kyle, right, and then in San Francisco

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01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: with Kyle, so you are familiar. And I know when

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01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: you went to Denver. Who are you with in Denver?

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01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:11,719
Speaker 1: Was it's Scan Guarrellollo was a quarterback coaching in San Francisco,

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01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: and then he got the coordinator job in Denver and

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01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: brought me as a quarterbacks coach. So I been in

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01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: this system for a long time now, or some kind

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01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: of offshoot of this system for a while. So eight

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01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 1: years starting two thousand fourteen in here, and you know,

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01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 1: when you kind of grow up in the game, as

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01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: you said, you haven't really had a quote unquote really

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01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: that's a real job. With real stakes as you very well,

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01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 1: knowing a lot of pressure. But does that give you

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01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: an appreciation is is this something that you get excited

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01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: to do every single day? Oh? Absolutely, I mean I

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01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 1: don't again, I don't know much else, but I can't

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01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: imagine myself doing anything else. So getting to come out here, um,

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01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 1: you know, coach the tight ends, get out on the field,

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01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 1: me and the sun, and then every week, you know,

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01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 1: when we get to the season, you get a test yourself.

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01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: So it's a lot of fun. Given that you were

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01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: a quarterback yourself and that you have worked with quarterbacks

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01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: in the NFL, how does that help you with tight ends?

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01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 1: And I think probably the natural thing is right, you're

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01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: helping them to be able to see the game through

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01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: the eyes of the quarterback, which is important when they

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01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: want to get the football. Absolutely, So when you're in

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01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,560
Speaker 1: the quarterback room, there's a lot, there's a lot going on,

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01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: But probably second most uh in the position wise, would

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01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: be tight ends were involved in every aspect of the

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01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 1: game and so being able to see every part of

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01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,600
Speaker 1: the game, whether it's protection, whether it's run game, or

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01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: whether it's a pass game. Um, in a similar vein

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01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 1: to the quarterback is it's it's very similar. Why do

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01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: you love this system and why do you love it?

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01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: Four tight ends? I think this system is put together well.

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01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: Things complement each other, um, but it has a lot

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01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:42,600
Speaker 1: of diversity, so it can look at a lot of

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01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: different ways. And so with the tight end position, UM,

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01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: we can use guys and a hold bunch of different ways.

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01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 1: Whereas you watch other teams play, they might not be

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01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: as a diverse in scheme, but we're able to take

1475
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 1: an advantage of guys's strengths because we can put them

1476
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: in all sorts of different positions. So I think we can, um,

1477
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,560
Speaker 1: it's the word I'm looking for, feature guys better in

1478
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 1: this system. So whether whatever position it is in the

1479
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 1: tight end room, we can feature whatever you do well.

1480
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 1: We can get you on the field and do that

1481
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 1: relative to San Francisco or maybe even in your time

1482
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 1: in Denver with for example, having a Bill Callahan here,

1483
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 1: are there more concepts in the run game than maybe

1484
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 1: in other places where say it's just that pure outside

1485
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 1: zone game. We do a lot of pulling, we do

1486
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: a lot of pin poll, a lot of those kind

1487
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: of different you know, run techniques. Is that different here

1488
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: or is that something that everybody does. Um, it's definitely

1489
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: different here, and I think the other teams are starting

1490
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 1: to adopt it. The other teams that run this system

1491
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 1: are becoming more diverse in the run game. But when

1492
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: I got here, I learned a ton from Coach Callahan

1493
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 1: and really everyone here about different schemes. So we pair

1494
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 1: the wide zone with a bunch of other schemes that

1495
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: can complement it. So it's been obviously really good for

1496
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: us the last two years, and we get we gotta

1497
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: keep evolving. UM, but we've done some things well the

1498
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 1: last two years in the ron game. All right, let's

1499
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about some of the guys in

1500
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: your room. And I actually was talking to David and Joke,

1501
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: who obviously now he's the man, got paid to be

1502
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 1: the man. This is his year, former first round pick,

1503
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,839
Speaker 1: incredible natural athletic gifts, hard worker, he's become a great blocker.

1504
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:05,919
Speaker 1: But he said that you guys had a good relationship

1505
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 1: even before you became the tight end coach. You guys

1506
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:10,639
Speaker 1: would always kind of get along and joke around and stuff.

1507
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 1: So how did that relationship start with the chief? And

1508
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: then how is it now that your guys are in

1509
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: the same room together. Yeah. So me being in the

1510
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: quarterback room for two years, you know, we're kind of

1511
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 1: involved with with everyone, so I got to know, you know,

1512
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: almost all the offensive guys are the last two years, Uh,

1513
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 1: me and Dave definitely had a good relationship. Again, it's

1514
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 1: fun joking around with him, um and then just talking routs,

1515
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: talking football, talking life. So over those two years we

1516
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 1: developed a relationship and then now it's been an easy

1517
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 1: transition here. Um. Now that I'm in the room with him,

1518
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: we know each other, we trust each other. So when

1519
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: I tell him something, he knows that I have the

1520
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,560
Speaker 1: best interested at heart. I like the fact that he

1521
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: feels like some people, you know, they get paid and

1522
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 1: they're like all right, I've made it, and he feels

1523
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: like I need to justify this and he's ready to

1524
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 1: have a monster season. What are what's unique about his talent?

1525
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: And why do you think he can have a great

1526
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 1: year here in twenty two. I mean, he's super gifted.

1527
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: So there's not a ton of guy us who are

1528
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: that big, who can run that fast, um, and are

1529
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 1: is good at blockers him. So again, we can use

1530
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,799
Speaker 1: him in so many different ways, whether it is past protection,

1531
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: which he's had a lot to do a lot or

1532
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 1: whether it is gap schemes or wide zone, he can

1533
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 1: do all of those things. But he's also can struct

1534
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:17,759
Speaker 1: the field. He can also, um, you know, he's developing

1535
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 1: as a route runner and he's got a chance to

1536
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 1: be really really good. Um, he's really good with the

1537
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: ball in his hands. So we have a lot of

1538
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 1: ways to use him, and I'm excited to see all

1539
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 1: the different ways we use him this year. Me too.

1540
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 1: And he's darn good in the red zone. Just throw

1541
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,759
Speaker 1: it up and go get it. Play a little jump ball. Absolutely,

1542
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: let's get him some touchdowns. Is that a quarterback's friend

1543
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: when you have a guy like that in the red

1544
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 1: zone where you know, look if I just put it

1545
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: up or only he can get it, we have a

1546
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 1: chance here be a touchdown and incompletion, which is that's

1547
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 1: really what you want down there. Absolutely, when you guys

1548
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 1: have catch radius is the you know the term people use.

1549
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 1: But he's got long arms and he can jump, so

1550
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 1: you can you can throw up pretty much anywhere. He

1551
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 1: can go get it. So that's always nice talking about

1552
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: Harrison Bryant, so three touchdowns in each of his first

1553
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 1: two seasons, a guy who played some tackle in high

1554
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: school and then goes into college wins the Mackie Award.

1555
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: First guy ever to that from a nonpower five school

1556
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: natural route runner. How's he progressed? And now you know

1557
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 1: you think Chiefs bumping up, he's bumping up to He's

1558
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 1: gonna be the guy in those two tight end sets

1559
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: and the guy that probably can be a weapon in

1560
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: the slot and is a move tight end. Yeah, absolutely so, Harrison.

1561
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 1: She got a lot more opportunities, um, you know, in

1562
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 1: the past game and and really doing everything this year

1563
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 1: than he has the past two years, which is gonna

1564
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 1: be good. Um. You know, I don't think people have

1565
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: seen the full arsenal he has, and we're really excited

1566
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: about him. There was a play I think it was

1567
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: two days ago when you guys were doing Yeah, it

1568
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 1: was two days ago. Was the first day back. We're

1569
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 1: doing situations like it was fourth downs, third fourth downs,

1570
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 1: and he ran a jerk route that was nasty. Absolutely So,

1571
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 1: we've been working a lot on you know, trying to

1572
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: gain separation using different techniques and he's one of the

1573
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: best that I've been around and being able to do

1574
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 1: all these different things, especially for how big he is,

1575
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be a fun year watching him play.

1576
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 1: All Right, now we're in the guys that you probably

1577
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: have a little extra affinity for the quarterbacks who are

1578
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: now tight ends Millar four style who obviously it was

1579
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: same high school as Trevor Lawrence and no shame, and

1580
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 1: I guess losing your quarterback job to Trevor Lawrence. Now

1581
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 1: here as a tight end with the Browns, how has

1582
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 1: he kind of developed? And it feels like he's had

1583
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 1: a nice start to his camp. Absolutely, he's had a

1584
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: He's been really good for us. He's a really smart guy.

1585
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 1: He knows what to do. So it feels like he's

1586
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 1: kind of an older player than he actually is. Um

1587
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: he's put on um, a lot of good weight, a

1588
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,679
Speaker 1: lot of good strength. UM. So he's had really good spring,

1589
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: really good start to camp. And uh, I'm excited to

1590
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,759
Speaker 1: see him in some preseason games. Let him play football

1591
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: a little bit and on some teams. Right the third

1592
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 1: tight end, you're like, okay, yeah, you're the third tight end.

1593
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: You're really not gonna play less, there's an injury. You're

1594
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 1: probably gonna play nothing but special teams. But here and

1595
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 1: I might imagine what the shawan at quarterback, it would

1596
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: be less, but we do run some of that thirteen personnel.

1597
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 1: We'll get the three tight ends on the field together,

1598
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: and so there is a role that Miller could play

1599
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: if he can win that job. Absolutely, whoever the third

1600
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 1: tight end is, whether it's Miller or somebody else, they

1601
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 1: got a really good shot to be on the field

1602
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 1: to make an impact on our team and help us

1603
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 1: win games. Um, we probably put third tight down field

1604
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 1: as much as anybody the NFL. So, um, he's got

1605
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 1: a chance and he's definite. I got the skill set

1606
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 1: to do it. So I'm excited. I's talk about another

1607
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: former quarterback, Johnny Stanton, who has been a quarterback, He's

1608
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 1: been a fullback, he's been a linebacker and and now

1609
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 1: working in your room as a tight end and a

1610
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: guy that has that diversity of skill set. He can

1611
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 1: line up in the backfield if you need him to.

1612
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: And yesterday I had a good day. I think out

1613
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 1: here caught a bunch of balls. What have you seen

1614
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: from him in his development go into a position that

1615
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 1: he did a long time ago but is now trying

1616
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 1: to do again here in the NFL. Absolutely, you know,

1617
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: in the spring kind of transitioning to tight end a

1618
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 1: little bit. Um, you know, we're still gonna get him

1619
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 1: in spots familiar to him. Um, but he's got the

1620
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: skill set to do these things. He's been doing him

1621
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 1: for a while now. Um, he knows this offense. So

1622
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: it's about putting him in a couple of different positions

1623
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 1: and then some familiar positions for him. But yeah, I

1624
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 1: had a great day yesterday at you know, five or

1625
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: six ball, some really big plays. So I been doing

1626
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 1: really well. Has he kind of taken naturally more to

1627
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 1: the route running maybe faster than you might have expected

1628
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 1: because the blocking that's gonna come for him, right, that's

1629
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 1: something that he's been doing his whole career. But it

1630
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 1: feels like he's has an act forget open and he

1631
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: catches the ball pretty naturally and cleanly. Absolutely, he's got

1632
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 1: really natural hands. We saw that even in the past

1633
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 1: two camps. Um, he's had to spot play tight end

1634
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:04,599
Speaker 1: a little bit and he made a lot of play.

1635
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: So I think it was a natural transition for him

1636
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 1: to get out in space and and do that a

1637
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:10,640
Speaker 1: little bit more. If I'm not mistaken, I think it

1638
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 1: was preseason against the Giants last year he played tight

1639
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 1: end because we were down, I think like everybody, and

1640
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 1: I had a couple of can I think thirty three

1641
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 1: yards a couple of catches in that one. Yeah. Absolutely,

1642
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 1: he's flashed past couple of years the ability to run

1643
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 1: down the scene and make plays with his hands, run

1644
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 1: after catch. So it's been good. All right. So we're

1645
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: through four. There's still more competition, and that's what's great

1646
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:30,759
Speaker 1: about the National Football League. Let's start with Marcus Santos

1647
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 1: Silva trying to follow mo Aali Cox his footsteps, his

1648
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 1: teammate at VCU basketball player. You can see he's just

1649
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 1: a natural athlete and it looks to me like he

1650
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: catches it pretty naturally, like he's been doing it for

1651
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 1: a while. How is his development coming in and see

1652
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 1: somebody that you could see having, you know, a bright

1653
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: future down the road. Absolutely. So it's always hard to

1654
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: transition to a completely new sport. I mean two months

1655
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: after he's hitting three throws ago the sweet sixteen, you

1656
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 1: know he's in an NFL tight end room. So, um,

1657
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: he's got a lot to learn, but he's been doing well.

1658
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 1: He made tons of improvements from when he first got

1659
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 1: here until now. Um, and you know, Brown's fans go

1660
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: watch his highlight his basketball highlights on YouTube. They're pretty cool.

1661
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 1: You can see how his footwork and how athletic he

1662
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 1: is and so a lot of work to do, but

1663
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 1: the talents definitely there. So a good piece of clay.

1664
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 1: How's the blocking, i't imagine that would be. He's used

1665
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: to blocking with his butt right, blocking people out to

1666
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:23,719
Speaker 1: get rebounds, and now of a sudden you're blocking somebody

1667
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 1: that's in front of you with your leverage, your arms,

1668
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: your legs getting low and all of that. Absolutely, it's

1669
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 1: a it's a hard transition for anyone, but it's really

1670
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: hard when you line up across from Miles Garrett and

1671
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 1: Clowning and these guys. So, uh, a lot of technique

1672
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: work to do. We gotta learn what a lot of

1673
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: work to do there. But he has really heavy hands

1674
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 1: and he's gained a lot of weight, and um, he's

1675
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 1: been doing really well. What can you tell us about Nikia?

1676
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 1: Griffin Swart one of the young men, and then it

1677
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 1: is also Zeyer and Mitchell paying two young undrafted free

1678
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 1: agents who are coming in here trying to compete and

1679
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 1: make a make a role for themselves. So Nikia, he's

1680
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 1: been in the league a little bit. He's got, um

1681
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: some knowledge of what we're trying to do. He's been

1682
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 1: in this system a little bit, so he has good

1683
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Speaker 1: base of what we're doing. Um, he's really good in space, Okay,

1684
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 1: he's Uh, he's a really good route runner, hands, really

1685
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 1: good pass game. You know, he's done a lot of

1686
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: good things for us. Now we're transitioning. Um, getting him

1687
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 1: in the run game, get him doing some things. And

1688
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 1: he had a good day yesterday being physical. I don't

1689
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,640
Speaker 1: even know how many past plays I had him in

1690
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: for Like, we're getting in the run game and he's

1691
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 1: done well. He's versatile, he can play some different spots. Uh,

1692
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 1: the similar vein to Harrison, and so getting him just

1693
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: more raps, letting him play. Uh in the spring, it's

1694
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: been a little different without you know, we don't get pads,

1695
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: so we gotta see him, you know, in preseason games

1696
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 1: playing hitting, running and catching. And I'm excited to do that.

1697
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: And then Zaire and Mitchell Payton I've seen make a

1698
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 1: couple of grabs here so far and camp. But what

1699
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: can he tell us about him in his game? Um,

1700
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: undrafted rookie came in here, and uh, he's a really

1701
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: hard worker. Um, he's come in. He's a big guy,

1702
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: a lot of length, a little raw, but he's got

1703
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 1: a lot of ability. Um, and it's definitely a name

1704
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 1: to watch. He's UM, he's gonna develop really fast because

1705
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 1: how hard, hard of a worker he is. He's gonna

1706
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 1: contribute in both the run and the pass game. He's

1707
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:07,680
Speaker 1: made a ton of improvements as he got here, So

1708
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch him. You mentioned kind of in

1709
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:12,600
Speaker 1: the spring you were in the pass game, but you

1710
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 1: were in either the quick game the deep game. You

1711
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 1: were in, but you weren't in the play action game.

1712
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,600
Speaker 1: And I imagine in your room that's something that is

1713
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: a big part of what the tight Ends do, right.

1714
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: They get involved a lot in a lot of especially

1715
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 1: in the boots and the misdirections, getting kind of those

1716
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: little crossers. You really can't do that in the mini

1717
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 1: CAIMP because everything that was done in the O T

1718
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 1: A S was quarter speed. When it was team it

1719
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 1: was basically seven on seven camp. You know you're passing

1720
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 1: the ball and there's really not gonna be a play

1721
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 1: action action off of that. How has that been for

1722
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 1: your guys? Finally getting that work now? Pads come on yesterday,

1723
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: getting that actual play action game work. That's gonna be

1724
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: a big part of what they do this season. Yeah,

1725
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 1: it's been really good. So we've been talking about these concepts,

1726
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 1: we've been learning them schematically for a long time now,

1727
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: but this is really the first time we get out

1728
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 1: there in full speed, make contact and work on these techniques.

1729
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:58,560
Speaker 1: And so again, a ton of work, but it was

1730
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: a good start. Yesterday. There was one play I wanted

1731
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 1: to ask you about where it looked like Miller's responsibility

1732
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 1: would have been to block Miles. Miles dropped kind of

1733
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 1: into the center of the d and I don't know

1734
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:08,679
Speaker 1: if he was spine, I don't know what he was doing,

1735
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 1: but did was it his job to block? And then

1736
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: if not, if he didn't rush, then he gets to release.

1737
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 1: End up making a nice little grab right across his

1738
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: face and making a pretty big play there. Yeah, it

1739
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 1: was gonna be he was gonna release no matter what.

1740
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 1: We might have chipped through Miles to help the tackle

1741
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 1: a little bit. Uh, Miles ended up dropping and we

1742
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: were running a shaller out and he made a nice play,

1743
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 1: ran right through the ball, called the ball away from

1744
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,640
Speaker 1: his body with his hands, ran right through it. So

1745
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 1: it was a good play. Um, when the pads come on,

1746
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 1: that's a big day for your room. Did you feel

1747
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 1: were you happy because we keep talking about it, hims, Oh,

1748
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 1: he had nice day yesterday. He had a nice day,

1749
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 1: So a good day for your room overall. Absolutely. Uh.

1750
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: We challenged the whole offense really going into it. We

1751
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 1: didn't have a great day of the day before, and

1752
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 1: then we put the pads on and we expected to see,

1753
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 1: you know, the biggest thing was finished, and I thought

1754
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 1: the whole offense, but especially there's tight ends as well.

1755
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 1: We're finishing yesterday, so it was good to see. Now,

1756
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 1: as a former quarterback, do you enjoy the portion practice

1757
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:56,680
Speaker 1: or you get to just sling the ball around to

1758
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 1: the tight ends? Oh? Absolutely, I love throwing it around.

1759
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:02,560
Speaker 1: But you know what, what I've learned in since my

1760
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 1: time in this system is the best way to throw

1761
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,640
Speaker 1: it is to play action and and to do that

1762
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: you have to be able to run the ball. So, um,

1763
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 1: if you want a bunch of catches, if you want

1764
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 1: easy uh, easy catches and big plays. And the best

1765
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 1: way we could do that has been really good at blocking.

1766
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: And we even saw a nice little tight end screen

1767
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago to the chief that was

1768
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 1: a was a big one that was set up off

1769
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:21,560
Speaker 1: of a little play. There's a lot going on on

1770
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 1: that play. We don't need to get in all that

1771
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 1: for those trying to get information here, But for you personally,

1772
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: what's it like having your own room like this with

1773
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 1: the guys and think about now you've talked about in

1774
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 1: the past, You've worked with some old lines, You've done

1775
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks, now with tight ends, building your skill set

1776
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 1: and I know some Kevin Sefanci he wants you guys

1777
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 1: to do kind of because at some point right you

1778
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:42,560
Speaker 1: want to go be an offensive coordinator. You want to

1779
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 1: go then become a head coach, and so getting that diversity.

1780
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 1: Is this really fun for you? Absolutely? It's kind of

1781
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 1: being able to put um all the different aspects you

1782
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,760
Speaker 1: learn about a scheme together into one room. Whether it's

1783
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 1: in the run game blocking, whether it's pass protection um scheme,

1784
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 1: or whether it's pass protection technique, a route running, um

1785
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 1: catching the ball fundamentals, all those things come up in

1786
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:05,600
Speaker 1: this room. So it's been a lot of fun. I

1787
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 1: feel like I've been trained really well by the guys

1788
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 1: I gotta work under, including the guys here, and so

1789
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 1: I felt really ready for this opportunity. Um, and you know,

1790
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:16,600
Speaker 1: I really enjoy uh the guys that we have in

1791
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 1: the room. I mean, that's the most important part about coaching.

1792
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 1: It's the reason that I you know, you deal with

1793
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 1: eighteen hour nineteen hour days because you really enjoy the

1794
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 1: people you work with. And so that's been you know,

1795
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,640
Speaker 1: the most fun part. And it's in your blood. I mean,

1796
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 1: I think it was. It was almost destined that you

1797
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 1: would be sitting here, I think so probably. So again,

1798
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 1: I've never even thought about doing anything else. So alright,

1799
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:37,639
Speaker 1: last one for you, who amongst the staff non players,

1800
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 1: who has the best arm you I'm guessing, I mean, yeah,

1801
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 1: someone's gonna have to show me if they're better than

1802
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: me at throwing the ball here on staff. I can't

1803
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 1: think of anyone right now that that could. You know.

1804
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 1: Ashton Grants trying to be We'll see he gets to

1805
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 1: throw a little uh routes on air this year, so

1806
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 1: we'll see. Alright, TC, was a pleasure, great talking to you.

1807
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,040
Speaker 1: Happy to have you on staff. Congrats again on this

1808
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 1: opportunity to tight and I'm looking forward to see your

1809
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 1: guys go out there and dominate this season. Absolutely appreciate

1810
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 1: having me um should be a fun year, big great. Alright,

1811
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 1: we'll be back to more clean Brown's Daily right after

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1818
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 1: watch some of the preseason game tonight. I'll have it on,

1819
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 1: put it on in the background, pay a little bit

1820
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 1: of attention. Why not have my attention for a half

1821
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 1: hour forty five minutes? Why not? Also the debut of

1822
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 1: Matthew Berry on NBC Sports What he announced that he's

1823
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 1: going to be there doing Everyone's gonna be on Football

1824
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 1: Night in America doing fantasy football and betting content and

1825
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 1: a bunch of others. Content makes all the sense of

1826
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 1: the world. The fantasy football stuff is done by the

1827
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 1: time you get to Sunday night. When was the day

1828
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 1: for you? On that was the third one? Was the

1829
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: big day? When was the way it would be the

1830
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 1: waiver day. That was the big day when you were

1831
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 1: in that business. It was starting to start Sunday morning,

1832
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 1: so Sunday morning started leading up to the kickoffs. Yeah,

1833
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 1: we used to do when I first did radio, first stint,

1834
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 1: I had it down in Columbus. We would do this.

1835
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,600
Speaker 1: It's not like we were experts on anything, but I

1836
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:36,640
Speaker 1: guess there's experts that some people can be. And we

1837
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 1: would do this thing, which just you have a thousand

1838
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: calls as if we were some sort of authority. People

1839
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 1: want to be guided. It's like, what do I know, man,

1840
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 1: just a dude on the radio. So would you give

1841
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 1: like a rationality you would just be Oh, I would

1842
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 1: make and made a mockery of it, like sometimes you

1843
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,640
Speaker 1: know you had a business. I mean you know, No,

1844
01:30:57,800 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 1: I made a mockery of it. I was like, I

1845
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 1: would pay come on which school I like better? If

1846
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 1: I thought, whoever the guy I thought were a cooler number,

1847
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: like I would that's actually a good criteria. Yeah, I

1848
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 1: would make. I made a complete mockery of it. So

1849
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 1: because I wasn't an expert in it, and I made

1850
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 1: fun of the fact that I wasn't. Why would you

1851
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 1: be calling me? You idiots called Nathan Scurry. He's the expert.

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