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Speaker 2: Now I have Jack McTavish here, okay, and he is

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Speaker 2: an author. Let's call him that first, former military, Let's

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Speaker 2: Now he is full on author. He's got great art

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Speaker 2: Let me read just a little bit about Jack, retired

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Speaker 2: military officer, action adventure and espionage writer. I love it

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Speaker 2: the background on Jack. Jack McTavish is a retired United

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Speaker 2: States Army colonel and the author of high stakes action

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Speaker 2: adventure novels and military and political thrillers. With more than

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Speaker 2: thirty six years of service in the US Army and

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Speaker 2: Army Reserve, his fiction is grounded in real world experience

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Speaker 2: without sacrificing pace, atmosphere, or entertainment. His career spanned airborne

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Speaker 2: special operations, joint environments, including assignments supporting US Army Special

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Speaker 2: Operations Command and US Special Operations Command. His work took

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Speaker 2: him across Afghanistan, Korea, Haiti, Central and South America, and

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Speaker 2: world to the page through stories defined by competence, consequence, loyalty,

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Speaker 2: his new book that he's got coming out called Royal Diamonds.

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Speaker 2: And so welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, Hey Rah, how's it going. Thanks, thanks so much

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Speaker 3: for having me on. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Well. I love that you jumped on and I said, hey,

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Speaker 2: I like to strike fast. You're like, let's get on

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Speaker 2: so here we are today, you know, becoming friends. I

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Speaker 2: love all the things on the backgrounds. I like the

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Speaker 2: I love the warning you know, bonding rangers something, don't

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you very much. It's funny the I mean,

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Speaker 2: School me junior high. My dad was a Green Beret

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think I remember seeing a clockwork

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Speaker 2: You want to know, you want to know something about

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Speaker 2: And then if you watch Clockwork Orange, there's another take

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Speaker 3: It's kind of funny. And I don't want to give

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Speaker 3: It's fantastic, dude. I think it's on I think it's

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Speaker 3: So stoked about that. But the scene where Michael reaches

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, a little little little easter eggs like that, right,

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Speaker 2: it's like test, you know. Yeah. And and and fire Starter.

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Speaker 2: We both looked at each other like for a moment,

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Speaker 2: this is all about me today. No no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: it's about Jack. Jack. So many years my father's name

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Speaker 2: was Jack. What a great name. Jack is also the

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Speaker 2: I want you to know that, mad respect.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, Yes, sir, So when you were joining the military,

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Speaker 2: let's just crack you open. You were how old when

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Speaker 3: I was seventeen and six weeks.

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Speaker 2: And you enlisted as a young man in high.

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Speaker 3: School or what I did. So I went to my

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Speaker 3: I actually took care of my infantry company commander, or sorry,

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Speaker 3: My middle brother is a paratrooper. I spent thirty six years,

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Speaker 3: all of my uncles, everybody spends time as the military.

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Speaker 3: Nobody other than me makes it a career, but or

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Speaker 3: at least chapter one of her career, because hopefully I'll

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Speaker 3: have a long, long writing career. Yeah, but it it's

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Speaker 3: I went back as a colonel to help run an exercise,

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Speaker 3: They just made you have the story and it was crazy.

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Speaker 2: They just drove you around, seen year old kid.

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Speaker 2: whole thing. I just find that kind of art pleasing

430
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Speaker 2: to my mind. It makes me want to involve myself

431
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Speaker 2: in your books.

432
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love I love that kind of stuff. And

433
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 3: you know one of the things with writing, like you

434
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 3: can write like I treasure like Jack Carr and Brad

435
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 3: Taylor and Mark Ranny and all these guys, and I

436
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 3: think the world of them. You know, I've been able

437
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 3: to have interactions with all of them. Actually, Mark Randy

438
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 3: is going to be in Raleigh next week promoting this

439
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 3: new book, The hard Line Love you know, love the

440
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 3: technical detail and all that. And you know, of course

441
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 3: Brad Taylor and Elane is well if they do so

442
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 3: much good work with the Special Operations Warrior Foundation. Of

443
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 3: course Jack Carr, I mean that guy is like the

444
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Speaker 3: professor you look at, always repid, be able to bring

445
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 3: you know, it's like built this whole ecosystem around his writing,

446
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 3: which you know, foundation is very good. You know. You

447
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 3: know their books are all were pretty serious and my

448
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 3: books are not quite as serious. And I like that

449
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 3: because I want to give somebody you know, I've been

450
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 3: to war of practice medicine for a long time. You know,

451
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 3: all had our personal tragedies in life and that kind

452
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 3: of thing. And I man, I want people to be

453
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Speaker 3: able to escape for a night or two while they're

454
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Speaker 3: reading my books and just have fun. There's espionage, there's danger,

455
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 3: there's things like that, but I want peop oh yeah,

456
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Speaker 3: but I want people to just have pure, unadulterated fun

457
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Speaker 3: while they're reading. And that's that's kind of that's one

458
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Speaker 3: of my goals as a writer.

459
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Speaker 2: You know, as a writer, I think you'd like to

460
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Speaker 2: hear this. I had a gentleman on that I interviewed

461
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Speaker 2: Kyle Steiner, former Green Beret Army Uh. He was it

462
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Speaker 2: with Streppo and Afghanistan. He was one of the documentary

463
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Speaker 2: guys that were in that unit. And I was talking

464
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Speaker 2: to him on our interview and I said, well, did

465
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Speaker 2: the pilots ever like you They always brought you supplies

466
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: and mortars and stuff up to your outpost on top

467
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 2: of rostrepo because it's a hump, did they ever like

468
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 2: kick you down something like outside the you know outside

469
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 2: like he's like, as a matter of fact, Dad, they

470
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: gave us licky and chewies is what he called them.

471
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 2: But he's like, but books. The pilots would open up

472
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Speaker 2: and say, hey, here's a couple they tossed down a

473
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: bag and inside the bag with some books. Because these

474
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Speaker 2: guys are sitting on top of this point of this,

475
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Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, and he said, just toiling our thumbs,

476
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: you know. And we'd get these books and they would

477
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 2: just like fill us all day long with just thoughts

478
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: of the book, you know. And I find that to

479
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 2: be what you're saying, something that's just going to pull

480
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Speaker 2: you in and maybe take you out for a moment,

481
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Speaker 2: you know, like.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you I'm kind I'm kind of an EmPATH,

483
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Speaker 3: so which is maybe why I do medicine. But if

484
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Speaker 3: I ever heard that some some kid was reading one

485
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Speaker 3: of my books in a combat outpost, it would be

486
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Speaker 3: the greatest honor I'd ever have his writer.

487
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, right right? And to know

488
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Speaker 2: that they cherish the books at an outpost. So if

489
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Speaker 2: you're a pilot out there and you're flying a drop

490
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: to the outpost, taking them a book, okay to you,

491
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: I tell you what you know, really really just hit

492
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: up jack right here. And if you're open, oh without

493
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 2: a doubt, you know. And it's it's just cool to

494
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: hear that from the guy on the ground, you know,

495
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: he's just like we were happy to get books.

496
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how I started reading Louis lok Moore was

497
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: in the military in Afghanistan there or Louis the more

498
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 3: books like everywhere. Like there was this one chapel that

499
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 3: I used to go to for church and there's a

500
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 3: bunch of books that are always kind of lined up

501
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 3: there and you'd go in on Louis Lamoor's and just

502
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 3: kind of burned through them. Was fantastic, loved it.

503
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Speaker 2: Did you always have the inclination to journal when you're

504
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 2: a young man growing up or writing like this. Just

505
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: college kind of turns you into a writer with dissertations and.

506
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Speaker 3: Uh, definitely not, definitely not. I mean I've got a

507
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Speaker 3: doctor and you know, actually did that while I was

508
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: writing the book that I wrote before Royal Diamonds. They're

509
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 3: not those two are published. Gen Now, I've always been

510
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: a reader. And my mom was a teacher when I

511
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 3: was growing up, and the summertimes she would teach ged

512
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Speaker 3: classes for the UH for like the Maryland and State

513
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Speaker 3: Highway Administration.

514
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Speaker 2: Guilty Guilty, I have a g ed guilty she was.

515
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 3: She would drop me off at the library and that's

516
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 3: where my babysitter was all day. I remember being in

517
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 3: like fifth or sixth grade reading Raised the Titanic, you know,

518
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 3: by Clift Ship and uh and just and just history

519
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: book after history book. There's this one section of the

520
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 3: elementary school that I went to, and you know, it's

521
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 3: just they had all these great books like George Washington, Pactor,

522
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 3: Henry Thomas Jefferson, you know, Ben Franklin, you know Theodore Roosevelt.

523
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Speaker 3: Just in it's like seriously, and I would read every

524
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Speaker 3: single one of them and and and just love that.

525
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: So I've always carried that love reading with me. And

526
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 3: then you know, when I was on active duty, I

527
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 3: got turned onto web Griffin is probably my all time

528
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: favorite writer. I've read the Core series probably fifteen times.

529
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Speaker 3: I've read The Brotherhood of Arms, the Army series probably

530
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Speaker 3: an additional fifteen times. I've got every one of them

531
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Speaker 3: in hardback, and and and my my friend Jack still

532
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 3: working for my book, just wrote direct Action, which is

533
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 3: which is the latest book for the Web Griffin The

534
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Speaker 3: State of Course. You know, great Griffin died a few

535
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 3: years ago, but yeah, I love doing that. And then

536
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 3: you know, I've just gotten turned onto newer authors and

537
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 3: older authors. And as crazy as I've as I've started writing,

538
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 3: I read, you know, like I listened to Jack car

539
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: talking about Frederick forsythe and I'm like, oh, holy crap,

540
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 3: but I've never read The Dogs of War.

541
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Speaker 2: I better read it, you know, yeah, dogs will?

542
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 3: You know. Nelson to Mill has quickly become one of

543
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 3: my favorite writers. And you know, I like his general

544
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 3: I hate to say smart assid this, but some of

545
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: his characters can be that one and I love it.

546
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 2: So yeah, like the.

547
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 3: Cuban Affair is one of my favorite books ever.

548
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: Mine is The Babe Ruth Story. One of my favorite books.

549
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: I found myself in ninth grade, seventh grade, ninth grade.

550
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 2: I couldn't put it down. I'd walk through the halls

551
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: reading the book. I turned the page. I loved baseball

552
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: so much, and I was just reading about this young

553
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: boy who was just kind of like overweight but could

554
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 2: slug the ball. And I was like, I can maybe

555
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: relate a little bit to him at that time, and

556
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: you know, and just to know that he became Babe

557
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: Ruth from an orphanage and everything. Yea, you know there's

558
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 2: I love the Babe Ruth Story. That's a book that

559
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 2: has resonated as well as this one called The Darkest White,

560
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 2: which is about a pro snowboarder, Craig Kelly, who was

561
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: taken in an avalanche years ago and a friend of

562
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 2: a friend, Eric Blem he's the editor for Transworld Snowboarding.

563
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: He wrote the whole thing because he was a friend

564
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: of Craig's. And those types of books really kind of

565
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: hit you where you know, you're like snowboard, I know

566
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: the terrain. I know what The Darkest White is going

567
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 2: to be. It's you know, suffocation of the most it's

568
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: a lame way. Yeah, it's an avalanche. It's a bad

569
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: way to go, you know, and there's nothing to do

570
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: when you have all these trees and boulders and you know,

571
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: blocks of ice that are just rolling normally for that,

572
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 2: but you're in the way. You know, it's like what

573
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: do you do? So the books like that just point

574
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: I'm emotional for her right now just talking about it.

575
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, that's what a book, a good

576
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: book can do that.

577
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's definitely you know that escape. And

578
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 3: one thing that I like about thriller writers and almost

579
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: everyone that have come in contact with it, you usually

580
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: go to a thriller conference Thriller First Up in New

581
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: York in the year. It's such a it seems like

582
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: it's such a non competitive environment because you know, we

583
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: spend an entire year, year plus writing a novel and

584
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: you're going to read it, you know, hopefully, if we

585
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: did our job right, you're going to read it overnight

586
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: and like wake up this morning feeling like you need

587
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: to call him, stick to work. I mean, that's like

588
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: that's the goal. So I'm not gonna I'm not going

589
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: to be competing with you know, Jack Stewart for readers ship.

590
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 3: You don't read my book on a Monday and read

591
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: his on a you know, probably the previous week, because

592
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 3: he's a bit much bigger writer. You know that's fantastic.

593
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you have are you self published or

594
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: do you have? You are?

595
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's and I'll tell you getting getting an agent

596
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 3: is hard. I mean, I've I've worked through the process

597
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: and I've got a I've got a book called Tales

598
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: from the Caribbean that I'm I finished it. I'm just

599
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: going to go through some final weddits and then I

600
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 3: want to go out on the query process and try

601
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: to get in front of some more agents again and

602
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: we'll see if that one bites. It's it's hard, but

603
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: the flip side of it is and this has been

604
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 3: another kind of neat part about the process is learning

605
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 3: the business and kind of viewing writing not as just

606
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: I'm a writer, let me write a book, but as

607
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: a business. And it's very much how I look at it.

608
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Speaker 3: You know, it's a brand, the Jack mctabish brand I've

609
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 3: I've built. I was never on social media before I

610
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 3: started writing.

611
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 2: I love the name Okay, Jack McTavish follow that.

612
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: Yes, So you know, I mean I've built a social

613
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Speaker 3: media following. You know, I've got some seven thousand plus

614
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: followers now on my Instagram, which is fantastic. I like

615
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: in a treasury in every one of those those uh

616
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: those followers. But learning, you know, how to set up

617
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: an LLC, learning, how to research, learning how to edit, learning,

618
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: how to hire an editor, learning how to hire an

619
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Speaker 3: artist to do the artwork for your your your product.

620
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: I mean Corey, I mean I could never do my

621
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Speaker 3: cover work, but Corey Club, who is a fantastic artist

622
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Speaker 3: grn sure can. And you know Corey, I mean, bless

623
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: as hard as he's the nicest guy in the world.

624
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: He's got a The week that he delivered my cover

625
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: to me, one of his covers was like plastered all

626
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: over Times Square for another author. So I mean, I

627
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 3: guess I hired the right guy. So yeah, I'm pretty

628
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 3: pretty stoked about that.

629
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Speaker 2: Once you're in that lane, sir, you find others in

630
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: the lane with you that are going that same way,

631
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: and it just starts to fall into place like a

632
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: little domino effect.

633
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 3: Right son, Even things like this, like learning how to

634
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 3: schedule a podcast or reaching learning how to write an

635
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: email to reach out, but hey, would you be interested?

636
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: Like right now, I'm setting up stuff for you know,

637
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 3: kind of a book tour for next month, and I

638
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: mean it's hard, you know, I've had reached out to

639
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 3: different bookstores and yeah, we might be able to get

640
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: you in in July.

641
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: Right. Whereas like a publicist or an agent would come in,

642
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: like a Shiman and Schuster or whoever, and they they'd say, hey, okay,

643
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: hey Jack, you're gonna go get on a plane, and

644
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: your itinerary is kind of built out and they have

645
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: a network out there that would help to alleviate that

646
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: so you can stay focused on what you should be

647
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: focused on, which is bringing your thoughts to the page.

648
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, but but I like kind of

649
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 3: doing it all right now, and because I'm because I'm

650
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 3: learning from and you know, hopefully, of course, hopefully one

651
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 3: day I'll have David Brown, who's Jack carrs Bubblo says.

652
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: Yah, know, I talked to Dave all the time.

653
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: Is I met him in New York and he's just

654
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: he's just really.

655
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: Should see our emails. I'm like, bring me the author

656
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: of Rambo. And he's like he's like, let me see.

657
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: You know, those are just like the back and forth

658
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: that I'm like, you know, he'll reach on, say hey,

659
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: can Jack get on? Or you know we like brad Thor.

660
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: David's great.

661
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: You know, uh hey, next time you talk to him.

662
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: I think I think I think he's a cool guy.

663
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know it's funny doctor doctor Morell, who

664
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: which is how I prefer to prefer to him. But

665
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 3: I got a chance to meet him at the last

666
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: Thriller Fest and I had not I had not read

667
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: First Blood, and I'm sorry, I hate to admit it,

668
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: I had not read Violet. But you know, doctor Morrell

669
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: wears a Rolex. He wears a Rolex submarine or that

670
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: he's had since like about nineteen seventy seven or seventy eight,

671
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: and then still goes out. He cuts grass in his Rolex,

672
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: He chops wood in his Rolelex.

673
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: His Rolex.

674
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 3: And I was like, hey, sir, that's a really good watch.

675
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 3: And if you look at my Instagram page, there's actually

676
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: a photo where he and I are like watch checking

677
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: each other. I was wearing a Tutor, so I was

678
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 3: wearing a Tutor GMT. We started talking about watches and

679
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: then he broke into this twenty minute class as me

680
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: and Ryan pote. You know, Ryan wrote, let's see Ryan's

681
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 3: dating what came out? One Treasure came out last year.

682
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 3: And we're sitting there and we're talking to doctor Morrell

683
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 3: and he just launches into this twenty minute class on

684
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 3: setting a scene, and like, so first it's just me

685
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: and Ryan, and then like two other people kind of

686
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 3: come up, and like two more and before you know it,

687
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 3: there's ten people sitting there and we're all listening to

688
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 3: the great David Morrell talking about how to set a scene.

689
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: And he's so freaking humble, one nice. I mean, just yeah,

690
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 3: I could listen to the dude for hours.

691
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: That's awesome. I'm just that's awesome, right, because I mean again,

692
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 2: I grew up Rambo First Blood, Rambo First Blood Part two,

693
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: Rambo First Blood Part three, Rambo First Blood Part four,

694
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: and then Rambo The Home Alone ending Hey guys, I'm

695
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: in here, don't come in here. We better, you know,

696
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: but to have it go on and like just I mean,

697
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: it's iconic, right, it was like whose knife was bigger

698
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: his or Schwarzenegger's, right, It's like who had more kills?

699
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 2: Schorzenega or Rambo. It's like, you know, we grew up

700
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: in that generation. You know, Bro, It's like contra video game,

701
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: Zelda Arnold Sylvester. You know, it's funny.

702
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: I remember I remember having off I think for July fourth,

703
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 3: when I was going through basic training and we got

704
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 3: a break for a couple of hours, and I think

705
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 3: somebody brought in a movie projector and I remember watching

706
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: First Blood and I think, like another Rambo movie and

707
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 3: maybe like another maybe it was a Schwarzenegger movie or

708
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: something like that. It's like, wow, these are cool, but

709
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 3: he's meat.

710
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, and again you're dating yourself. I

711
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: mean a projector, Bro, a film projector. You had to

712
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: like line the film up in it, and sometimes it

713
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 2: would start.

714
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 3: I think it was like ACR or something.

715
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: I was just doing. I do because I know about

716
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 2: the projector too. I'm I'm forty eight. I'm a seventy seven.

717
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: You're sixty seven, fifty seven? No, but you're you were

718
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: born yeah, you know sixty nine, Summer sixty nine, Brian Adams,

719
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: what's up? Rock and roll? Bro? Wow? Summer yeah, love,

720
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: that's you. You came from that Mom and dad. Let's

721
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 2: have Baby Jack. That's what they're like in sixty nine. Dude,

722
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: that's so cool. Bro. Yeah, my dad was coming out

723
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 2: of Vietnam. He was seventeen seventeen going to Vietnam, sixteen

724
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 2: sixty nine. You were just coming out, you know, into life. Yeah,

725
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 2: so cool, dude, You're so cool. So, like, what kind

726
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: of music do you listen to?

727
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 3: I was just curious, Well, yeah, I mean I love

728
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 3: eighties rock. I love I guess you call it like

729
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 3: divorced dad rock. You know, of course I love. I'm

730
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: a huge Jimmy Buffett fan, Okay, I mean I am

731
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: a huge parrot head when I was.

732
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: I can only just say Pina Colada because, like, you know,

733
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: if you like Pina Klada, Jimmy Buffett, right, you know,

734
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: like just relate to the listener. Who Jimmy Buffett is.

735
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: You know he sings that popular song. I won't sing

736
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: it for you because you're not ride. The day after

737
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 2: my oldest daughter's wedding or was it.

738
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I remember we were we went to the

739
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 3: wedding and then the next morning we were going to

740
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 3: the Outer Banks and just I just remember sweet sweet

741
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 3: girl and I driving down the road to the Outer

742
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 3: b it's just bawling her eyes out like oh Jimmy's.

743
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 3: And it's finally it's funny because I finally understood like

744
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: whatever I felt like when John Lennon died. Sure, you

745
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 3: know that sort of thing. But yeah, I like rock.

746
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: I love country music. I probably love bro country, you

747
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: know Riley Green and all that. Actually, yeah, I actually

748
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: played bass guitar and and acoustic guitar. So I love

749
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 3: love contemporary Christian music. I've played that in worship bands

750
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: for twenty years.

751
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: Oh is that right? Yeah, so you're still rock in

752
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: a band.

753
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: So yeah, Yeah, still still play occasionally people, not not

754
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: as much as I used to, but people still give

755
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: me a call every now and then say, hey, we

756
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: need a bass player this weekend, can you come fill in?

757
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: You know, that's the first time I ever saw when

758
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: I went to boot camp and we went to our

759
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 2: Sunday church for the first time. I come from Utah,

760
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: so our our faith was Mormon. Yeah, and we never

761
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: had a drum set. Yeah, we had a piano, an organ.

762
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: There was an organist. Sister so and so would play

763
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: the organ, okay, or brother so and so. But when

764
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: I went to boot camp, there was like Pentecostal, yeah,

765
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: and other different types of religion that I had never

766
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: seen before. And all of a sudden they're like drumming

767
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: out and like rocking out and they're reaching for the sky.

768
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, this is just what happened here. Yeah,

769
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 2: this is another way too, you know, you know, worship exactly.

770
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: Thank you for helping me there, and really eye opening,

771
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: you know, coming from like kind of a bubble where

772
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: you're just raised here and then you go to the

773
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 2: army or the air force and you're like, what are

774
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: what do you mean there's like seven different churches going

775
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 2: on on the same day. What what are their other churches?

776
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 3: It's an interesting it's an interesting the shift.

777
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: And do nothing E supposed to it and I hadn't

778
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: and so that that is interesting, you know. And so

779
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: to hear that you play bass in that that's cool.

780
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's really it's really interesting because you know,

781
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 3: sometimes when you're when you're playing, you can be i

782
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: mean a really small intimates intimate studying with you know,

783
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 3: candles and you know, solight and that sort of thing,

784
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: or you know, sometimes you're on stage playing that kind

785
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: of music with smoke machines, and lights and you know,

786
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 3: rock and a big production things. So I love both cons.

787
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 2: It's Colonel Rocker, doctor dude, sir.

788
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I've been really lucky. I've had

789
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 3: a chance to see you and do a lot of

790
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 3: kind of interesting things.

791
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. And now your author, you know, you've written some

792
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: books and you've got this book coming out, Royal Diamonds. Now,

793
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: tell us where this is going to take place and

794
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 2: the setting behind Royal Diamonds and your thought process without

795
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: giving away too much. Yea, and tell us a little

796
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: bit about Royal Diamonds that's coming out that you've written.

797
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic. So you know, I live in the South.

798
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 3: I love living in the South. I love South Carolina,

799
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: love Charleston. And it's interesting because before even Royal Diamonds

800
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: came about, I wrote two and a half more espionage

801
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 3: military type novels that are probably more you know, car

802
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: tailor and kind of their background with some leb gear

803
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: from throwing in and like, yeah, they were doing good.

804
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 3: But the guy I was working with was like, you know,

805
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 3: he's like, I don't know if this is like the

806
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: market's getting a little tired of espionage novels, you know,

807
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 3: and shoots you in the face. Novels like okay, well sure,

808
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 3: he goes. Can you write me an action adventure novel?

809
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 3: I was like, man, what do you mean?

810
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 2: Right?

811
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 3: So I thought about it for a little while and

812
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I was a little discouraged

813
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 3: at first. I was like, man, I don't know if

814
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 3: I can do this. I was like, hell, no, I

815
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 3: can do this. So, you know, I just started outlining

816
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 3: like an arc for a story, and I was like, well,

817
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: what do I want to think about? You know, well,

818
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 3: I love the concept of the thought of like blood

819
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: diamonds and all the crap that went on in Africa

820
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 3: and how they were used, you know, to come to

821
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: fund insurgencies. And I love piracy, like the study of

822
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: piracy and the golden age of I receipt and you know,

823
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: and I like family relationships, like the kind of things

824
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: that you see in a like in an older Web

825
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: Griffin novel. I was like, how can I start weaving

826
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 3: all that together? So so I was like, well, let me,

827
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: let me come up with a character. And my character's

828
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: name is Jake Steed and he's a he was a

829
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: marine as a young guy, so I joined young he

830
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: was he was not a Marine officer or high rank,

831
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: and NCO, I think he was a lance corporal, and

832
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 3: then I think a corporal I think is a terminal

833
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: rank that I put on him. And he ends up

834
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 3: getting hurt in Syria. So the core of the course says, well,

835
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 3: you know what, we'll make some arrangements if you love history,

836
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 3: and they send him off to Oxford for an education.

837
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: He comes back to doctor Jake Steed. The story opens up.

838
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 3: He's in Charleston, he's hating academia. He needs an escape.

839
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: Of course, he's fabulously wealthy, because you know that makes

840
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 3: things so much easier, of course, and he gets on

841
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: a sailboat and says, I am heading off to the Caribbean.

842
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: And the story goes on from there and there's so

843
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: there's piracy, there's some overtones of espionage from the British

844
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 3: Espionage Services because there's a there's a British noble woman involved,

845
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: and uh, there's friendships. There's Jake's old friend Mike Diaz

846
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: from the Marine Corps is down doing things in the Caribbean.

847
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,959
Speaker 3: Are probably in the gray zone or part of the time.

848
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: Sometimes he's working for himself, sometimes he's working for other organizations,

849
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 3: organizations that don't that aren't afraid to drop a duffel

850
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 3: bag of cash off if you drop things off of them, uh, right,

851
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: kind of thing. And the story goes on, and it's

852
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: interesting because it's a story about searching not only for

853
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 3: Jake's own legacy, in his family's own pirate legacy, but

854
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 3: also this royal diamond that a damsel in distress and

855
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 3: help finding. So that's all I should say.

856
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: And that is coming out around March seventeenth. So you

857
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: know that will be available basically on your website, right,

858
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 2: we'd have to go to Jack McTavish dot com.

859
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 3: No, it's on Amazon, knpicked Audible, the great Tucker Smith,

860
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: who is a retired judge from South Carolina as my narrator.

861
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 3: It'll be available on Ingram Sparks, so if you're a

862
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 3: school or a library or an independent bookstore, you can

863
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: buy it there, and also Barnes and Nobles dot com.

864
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 3: So I really tried to spread out the availability of it.

865
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: So it has a UPC code on the back of

866
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: the book that can be scanned at these places. Right,

867
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: it does, Yeah, and that is what helps it kind

868
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 2: of like show that you've had these sales to like

869
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: get up on the rankings, right.

870
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, And let me tell you as an as

871
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 3: an Indie, as an Indian writer, right, the author those

872
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: reviews me and everything. So if you if you get

873
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 3: a chance to buy a book, and if you're buying

874
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: it online and tonight is just kicked in, it's like

875
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 3: this sound of freedom. If if you get a chance

876
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 3: to purchase one of my books, if you would bless

877
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 3: me about doing that, and then you could leave a review, that.

878
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: Would be hugely helpful, especially on the Amazon, the Barns

879
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: and Nobles, the Amazon and Barnes and Nobles. So I'm

880
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: not going to say who the author is, but I'm

881
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: going to give you a freebie and you can tell

882
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: me if you can choose this or not in your life.

883
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: So you carry your book with you and if you

884
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: go to the airport, you go to the bookstore that

885
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: usually has like all the best sellers, you know, like

886
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: Jack Cars out there, He's like, hey, I signed one,

887
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: it's here on the shelf, come and get it right.

888
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: But you go there and say your book is you know,

889
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: not on the shelf. Well, you pull your book out

890
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: of your bag that has a UPC and you have

891
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: them scan it as if you want to buy it,

892
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: and you might have to pay for your own book

893
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: because it'll ring up with a UPC in their system

894
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: as out of stock and that they need to re

895
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: stock because you are buying the last I heard a rumor.

896
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 3: Well, you know what's interesting is my brother gets on

897
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 3: a plane every Monday and travels uh huh the country

898
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: every single week and will say hip broke.

899
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: So you kind of got to say, yeah, I want

900
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: to get this book right here, let's see what I got.

901
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: Mission like, I want this book. They just scan the

902
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: back of it and just go beep and they're like, oh,

903
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: let me see why that's not pulling up in the system.

904
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: They do a little typing, find the price of it whatever,

905
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 2: and then it says out of stock because they're buying

906
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:32,959
Speaker 2: the last one.

907
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy. It's funny, you know. You look, you'll

908
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 3: see guys like post stuff on Instagram where they're traveling

909
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: through kardas this all the time, where he'll roll through

910
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 3: an airport and you know they'll just come in. They'll

911
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 3: just sign a bunch of books and leave them there

912
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: for people to people to find. And I mean, what

913
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 3: a what a cool thing like you know, hey, I'm

914
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: have to fly out to LA for a business meeting

915
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: and I'm looking for something to read and you pick

916
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 3: up a Jack Car book and a crap, look, it's son,

917
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: that's fantastic.

918
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: Thanks for reading a book Jack or something, you know,

919
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: whatever he wants to write. And that, right, it's that

920
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: I see him do that on his install quite a bit.

921
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: And yes, and so like you know, that's just like

922
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: a thing I heard. You know, authors that are traveling do.

923
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you right, how to get your book

924
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 2: on that shelf. It's tough. There's it's placement, right, we

925
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: know that it's it's tough. Like you said, it's hard

926
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 2: to get a publicist. I'm not trying to say that

927
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 2: everything is easy. You get on the show, you get

928
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: on software radio, and you have like just huge people

929
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: hitting you up. It's like you are working to get

930
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 2: yourself out there, you know, and hoping that. I think

931
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: self published is cool. I did.

932
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 3: I really do too. Now that I've committed to it,

933
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: I am fully committed to it.

934
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 2: It's like an indie band doing their own thing and

935
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: just like producing themselves and everything they did was all

936
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: from their own hide. So they have nothing to they

937
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: have everything to lose, you know, so it's like, so

938
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 2: they're going to overwatch it.

939
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 3: Yet it's it's part of the American dream for me,

940
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: you know, be able to build a small business on

941
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 3: your own. And you know, and you know, like I

942
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 3: said earlier, you know, if I have heard that some

943
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: dude was reading my book on the top of a combat,

944
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 3: I mean, that would be a great out, you know,

945
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: a great honor. But you know, the communities that I've

946
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 3: been able to associate with in the past, you know,

947
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 3: the Special Operations community, the intelligence community, the you know,

948
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 3: all of all of that, I want to write stories

949
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 3: that honor those people. I'm not afraid to put the

950
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 3: fun out of me either, but.

951
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: Right now, but I want to honor it.

952
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: And and I'm with those communities especially to enjoy reading

953
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 3: these books.

954
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. And you know, there's

955
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: always a place here at soft Rep if you ever

956
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: wanted to like put something up on the website or

957
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 2: share some of that or anything, look at doing that.

958
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: You know, if you ever thought about it. It's just

959
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 2: something if you have stuff scripted already and you want

960
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: to share it on soft rep, know insights into your

961
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: world or hey, you know, you know you're going Jack's

962
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 2: going to be traveling to someplace to do a book tour.

963
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: Why would we not want to support you, you know,

964
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: put it out there. So if anything comes up like

965
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 2: that and you're trying to hustle and you need some

966
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 2: extra hustle behind you, hit up us. My guy actually

967
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 2: his name is Guy, he's my editor. Yeah, he would

968
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 2: probably love to see, you know, share some of your

969
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: stuff on our website. No problem, you know, yeah exactly.

970
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,959
Speaker 2: And when this comes out, anybody listening or watching, thanks

971
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: for watching. Blow your kiss, but anybody listening blow your kiss.

972
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 2: Anybody out there, just you know, if you buy the book.

973
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: When you buy the book, leave a comment where you

974
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: bought it at and just say, hey, you know, give feedback.

975
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: Authors are going to go read it. And it also

976
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: helps to bring their book in the algorithm up more

977
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 2: so that it can be then found a little easier

978
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 2: to help these guys offset you know, doing this, Like

979
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: you said, you're operating a business. You're now transitioning from

980
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: tactical to practical. Okay, so you're bringing that and I

981
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: find out like the Caprice Son, you know, the drink

982
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: I love to call that tactical to practical. You know,

983
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: it's like a NASA thing that became a school lunch. Okay,

984
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: it's like tactical to practical. Tang Tang Tang was made

985
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: for astronauts, and the Tang is now in our household. Well,

986
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: it was household name in the eighties and nineties.

987
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 3: You know, it's crazy. If you're a gen X or

988
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: not excited about Artemis two, I don't know what's wrong

989
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: with you. Oh, I mean, I'm stoked. I'm like, I mean,

990
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 3: I'm not like really, I've never really been a big

991
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 3: sci fi guy other than you know, Startik Troopers, which

992
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 3: I've probably bought multiple dozens of copies for and given

993
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: out to other like officers and leaders in the military.

994
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 2: Read this this Spiders are coming, Aliens are coming.

995
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 3: Well, I mean more so. I mean, if you want

996
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 3: to look at the transition from private soldier to noncommissioned

997
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 3: officer to officerfreaking read this book, dude. It's fantastic. But yeah,

998
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 3: it's kind almost my train fall a little bit.

999
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: No Artemis too, It's what it is.

1000
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, it's so exciting, like for our generation. You know,

1001
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to remember you. Of course, the Challenger disaster,

1002
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 3: which was cool, right, but but also being a kid,

1003
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: you know, watching blasting off the dang moon and walking

1004
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 3: on the moon and love it.

1005
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 2: Are you were you alive during that? Was that something

1006
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: that was in your lifetime? Or is that history to you?

1007
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 2: The moon landing?

1008
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: Uh, it was funny.

1009
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 4: If you ask my oldest dollars, she's like, it never happened.

1010
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 4: Oh right, well you conspiracy theories, but let's just say

1011
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 4: it happened. Let's just yes, we believe it happened. Yes, yes, yes,

1012
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 4: I'm sure it did.

1013
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, definitely. I think I can't remember what day

1014
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 3: it was that Armstrong walked walked on the moon, but

1015
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 3: it was. But it was in sixty nine.

1016
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: I believe, in the year of your birth and the

1017
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: year of my birth.

1018
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 3: And I remember being a kid, like you know, kid

1019
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 3: models and plastic models. I was just like, it's so cool.

1020
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just remember watching Challenger, you know, I

1021
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 2: was in school, but then I came home and it

1022
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: was on TV all the time. It was like replaying

1023
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 2: over and over, and I remember just sitting there watching

1024
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 2: the you know, the shuttle going up and just dissipating

1025
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: and coming back down in pieces and there was just

1026
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: a teacher. I remember she was like a teacher and

1027
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: it was such a big deal. You know that it

1028
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: was a civilian that was going up in space, and

1029
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: you know, we want to believe that that's the final

1030
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 2: frontier space. You know, I mean, who knows, right, wild Yeah,

1031
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: we're finding planets between our planets. Man, It's like what

1032
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: we thought was is you know, it's crazy, right. And

1033
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 2: and for those out there that have a conspiracy about

1034
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: the Earth being flat, I just want you to look

1035
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: at like a diagram of the Sun, which is round, right,

1036
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 2: we agree on that, right, and then like Pluto and

1037
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 2: Mercury and Uranus and everything's round, and then Earth's flat? Right?

1038
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: Is that right? Think about it for a Second's want

1039
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: you to think about that. Okay, come on now, come

1040
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: on now. I'm still stretching from boxing this morning. Bro.

1041
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 2: I went out and hit that gym up. Dude. We

1042
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 2: did non stop ones and twos on the bag, fillling

1043
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: it right in that left shoulder right there. It's like, oh, bro,

1044
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 2: you know, a minute twenty on the bag multiple times.

1045
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: I love it. It's good for the heart. Yeah, good

1046
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,959
Speaker 2: for you, thank you. I appreciate that. And I'm proud

1047
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: to have had you on the show today. You know,

1048
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 2: we've talked for like an hour. You know, we've just

1049
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: been back and forth banter like that, dude, And you're great.

1050
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: And I really appreciate the interview. I mean, I really

1051
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 3: do it. It's I mean, this is not my comfort zone,

1052
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 3: but I've really enjoyed it.

1053
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I hope that's a little different than what

1054
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: a lot of interviews are like. You know, I'm just like, hey,

1055
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: you tell me what's going on. How are you doing?

1056
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: You know, are you doing well? You need a pat

1057
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 2: on the back, because a you should get a pat

1058
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 2: on the back for your service to our country. Thank

1059
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 2: you for so many selfless years of you know, doing

1060
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: the right thing and being a respiratory therapist and helping

1061
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: people and being empathetic. Being a colonel totally cool, going

1062
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 2: back to basic training with a colonel on your shoulder.

1063
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy things happen, you know.

1064
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: You know, to go from having to salute a cardboard

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Speaker 2: box with a colonel on it to being a colonel,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was pretty lucky, you know. I mean, sure,

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Speaker 3: I've got to a rank that a lot of people

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00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 3: don't get as an officer, but I'm proudly it's fine.

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Speaker 3: One the things, you know, I retired from the Army's

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00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: Civil Affairs and Psychological Operations Command, and they were still

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Speaker 3: on jump status back then, so you know, I made

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00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 3: my last parachute jump as a colonel. But one of

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00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 3: my favorite things to do, you know, as a as

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00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 3: a medical provider was actually go out walk around the

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Speaker 3: drop zone with a with an ad bag on my

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Speaker 3: back doing jump coverage.

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Speaker 2: We love that.

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00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 3: Because you know, like some duple land is, you know,

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00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 3: like you know, you know, you walk over and you

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00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 3: check them out. Hey man, you all right, and they

1082
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 3: look up and they're like, shit, I thought you were

1083
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 3: a specialist. Oh oh no, yeah, no, I'm fine. Like

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00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 3: just it's like just doing it for the love of

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00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 3: the game, just just being out there. I mean, if

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Speaker 3: you asked me, at the one thing I missed the

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Speaker 3: most about the Army, it's doing things like that, being

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00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 3: out on the DZ and hanging out with other people

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00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 3: doing it, you know, watching the drop, controlling the drop.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure in the field, I'm sure in the office

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00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 2: you're a colonel, I'm sure you earn that rank. But

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00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: in that drop zone at that moment, you're you're a

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00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 2: buddy that's like got the skill set to make sure

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00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: that they're good. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's like I pretty much had a fifty mile and

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00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 3: I had no salute area around me.

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Speaker 2: I would imagine I'd imagine my dad growing up in

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00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 2: the Green Berets. They rarely ever saluted anybody around. They

1099
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: were all first name basis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd rather operate that.

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00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: Way, you know. And I love that, and and and

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00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 2: I hope you much success with your your books and

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00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 2: your your storylines, and and I love the artwork. So

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00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: congratulations on a great looking book. I look forward to

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00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: having it, you know, in my local airport. Yeah, because

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Speaker 2: it's now in stock Okay, David Brown, if you're watching

1107
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,959
Speaker 2: this for some reason, let me just point over here

1108
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Speaker 2: to my man. Okay. And uh, I don't know if

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00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: it's appropriate for me to create an email for us three,

1110
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 2: but I could always like say, hey, I want inroduce

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Speaker 2: you to a friend of mine. I don't know where

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Speaker 2: it could go, but have a nice day, you know,

1113
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: there is something like that. And again, if you want

1114
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Speaker 2: to come back on the show, if you want to

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Speaker 2: put anything on our website, Colonel dude, sir, you're more

1116
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Speaker 2: than welcome to do so.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I appreciate it. I'd love if

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Speaker 3: you're listening and you're not following your at Jack mctavia's

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Speaker 3: adventures on Instagram. I would love to have you as

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Speaker 3: a follower.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, and that's at Jack mc tavish.

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Speaker 3: Jack McTavish, m A C T A v I s

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Speaker 3: H Adventures on Instagram. And I would just love to

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Speaker 3: have you all follow me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, before I let you go, let's see how

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Speaker 2: fast I can do that. Hold on one second here,

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Speaker 2: Let's see if we can do it this quick. Hold

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Speaker 2: on one moment, let's see you here. So we're gonna

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Speaker 2: You got a blue check mark, legit follow. I am

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Speaker 2: now following. It took me less than like a minute

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Speaker 2: But you know it's that easy, so go follow Jack

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Speaker 2: Jack McTavish adventures at Instagram. Check out Jack McTavish dot com,

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Speaker 2: where you can definitely get his book when it comes out.

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Speaker 2: Check out all the other places where you can find

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Speaker 2: quality books, including your airport. Let's hope it's there. And

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00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 2: Jack again, you're welcome back to the show. And thanks

1142
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: for being a very cool, humble, bass playing rock and

1143
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 2: roll author, doctorate of everything dude.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, You're so awesome, and again on

1146
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 2: behalf of everybody here at soft Rep. Brandon Webb, calum My, producer, Gia,

1147
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, you know, Logan out there, you're hustling, Logan,

1148
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 2: thank you so much, and Xander and everybody that posts

1149
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 2: up all the time, and guy you know, thanks so

1150
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 2: much for being there and believing in me to host

1151
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: this and letting me interview guys like Jack, which just

1152
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 2: make me a better person. So thanks again and be

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Speaker 2: half of everybody else. This is rad saying peace.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to your self. Rep Lady