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Speaker 6: with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought us, Votch Lombardi, and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 7: It is Monday, August eighteenth, season twenty one, episode twenty four.

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Speaker 7: This is the Break on Dallascowboys dot Com. He's Vatch Lombardi,

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Speaker 7: that's Brian brought us. I'm Tommy Yarsh. I've tried my

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Speaker 7: best on this intro. Derek, I know I can't beieve,

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Speaker 7: but nonetheless, welcome into the Break. We appreciate you joining

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Speaker 7: us here on this Monday morning.

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Speaker 8: Fellas.

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Speaker 7: We've got another preseason game to talk about, thirty one

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Speaker 7: thirteen loss for the Cowboys against the Baltimore Ravens in

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Speaker 7: their first game at AT and T Stadium this season. Voch,

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Speaker 7: I'll start with you. You're a big offensive line guy.

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Speaker 7: You played offensive line. Tyler Booker, the first round pick

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Speaker 7: for the Cowboys, made his first career start. What did

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Speaker 7: you make it his performance and just the Cowboys offensive

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Speaker 7: front overall.

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Speaker 9: Book bitest thing, you know, and when you watching the

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Speaker 9: offensive line film, you're watching Booker. You're looking for any

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Speaker 9: reason of pat BB on the back and all this

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Speaker 9: kind of stuff. You just gathering any little notes you

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Speaker 9: can get from the rest of those guys. Right got

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Speaker 9: a chance to watch Nate a little bit. We'll talk

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Speaker 9: about Nate a little bit later, but you talked about

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Speaker 9: Booker right now. Booker seem fine. Booker seen to do

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Speaker 9: what he always does, be the big strong guy, shots

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Speaker 9: out of the guy. Will still he always asks about

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Speaker 9: you think Book is better the run game or the

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Speaker 9: past game. We saw some good things in the past

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Speaker 9: game as well as far as pants fighting, you know,

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Speaker 9: sitting down and things like that. During camp we were

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Speaker 9: all there, book kind of got a twenty four hour

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Speaker 9: benching because he didn't handle slants up front and all

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Speaker 9: this kind of stuff. The Ravens threw a bunch of

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Speaker 9: movies that, yeah, he had just fine, bro. And what

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Speaker 9: I like about book is he don't just pass guys

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Speaker 9: along like he tossed.

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Speaker 3: Humans and then picks up the next guy.

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Speaker 9: So it seems like it wasn't too big for him,

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Speaker 9: and I'm ready to see his next challenge.

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Speaker 7: I think the two reps that stood out to me

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Speaker 7: from Booker were Miles Sanders's longest runt of the day.

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Speaker 7: It was a sannd yarder and he kind of turned

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Speaker 7: this guy out of the way and created that running

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Speaker 7: lane for him. And then in Past Protection, I think

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Speaker 7: it was a it was a long crosser. I think,

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Speaker 7: uh to Jalen it was the throw up the scene

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Speaker 8: Just dropped it. So I thought those two plays stood out. Brian,

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Speaker 8: what did you think?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know the thing with Booker and and Vox

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Speaker 10: was talking about you always going to see the power

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Speaker 10: to play him plane toe to toe with guys and

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Speaker 10: stuff like that. I think there were a couple of

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Speaker 10: You know, you got guys it was bb but you

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Speaker 10: don't have Smith on the other side. So Hoffman the

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Speaker 10: ball that went down the sideline to Mingo was one

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Speaker 10: Hoffman was able just to get enough of his guy.

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Speaker 10: But that's Hoffman, that's BB That's and then that's and

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Speaker 10: that's Booker and those guys having to work at That's

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Speaker 10: the only thing that I think with Booker that if

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Speaker 10: the middle, you're done. I mean, you were absolutely done.

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Speaker 10: I will say this though, I think there's some times

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Speaker 10: you know, and Miles Sanders, you know, and you mentioned Tommy.

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Speaker 10: The long run that Miles Sanders had was actually a

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Speaker 10: the Cowboys didn't run the ball great, and they didn't

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Speaker 10: But I think overall, though, I think Vach's assessment of

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Speaker 10: Booker's absolutely right. Like I say, he's going to have

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Speaker 9: Do you do you think they would have had a

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Speaker 9: better run day If I'll just say running backs. I

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Speaker 9: got frustrate to watching mouth, but if they just kind

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Speaker 9: it just felt like I didn't trust what was in

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Speaker 9: there and sometimes leverage wise, like if I'm blocking one

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Speaker 9: And I felt like Miles did that a few times.

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Speaker 10: Did you see that?

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, And that's the thing about it is when you know.

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Speaker 10: The one thing that with Phil MafA, you see Phil

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Speaker 10: MafA kind of trust what's happening in front of it.

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Speaker 10: And that's why I think Phil MafA does have some

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Speaker 10: hits it and he makes the cut and then he's

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Speaker 10: got the contact balance. I was really disappointed because in

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Speaker 10: there was there was stuff that he should have trusted.

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Speaker 10: What going behind Booker. I'll tell you another thing. I

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Speaker 10: was disappointed in the fourth and one call Booker's in there.

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Speaker 10: You got to run the ball behind him. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 10: say to that point on the fourth and one. Brian

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Speaker 10: Schoenheimer was asked about that after the game, and he

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Speaker 10: goes back to Vatch's point, which is are these guys

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Speaker 9: I mean, it's hard to get in the rhythm when

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Speaker 9: you have a small little blenders like that and drive

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Speaker 9: drive issues like that. But when it's you know, when

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Speaker 9: I'm like, hey, it's right there, just just go. Miles

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Speaker 9: Is there a reason why we didn't see Williams while

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Speaker 9: we saw Sads but we did see Williams he hurt

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Speaker 8: No, I don't think he's heard.

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Speaker 7: I think that this staff is just confident enough in saying, hey,

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Speaker 7: if he starts, that's one thing, But if he gets

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Speaker 8: Is another thing. Do you trust him to handle that workload?

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's some good miss.

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Speaker 9: That's some good miss because I was just I just

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Speaker 9: the Cowboys didn't run the ball like a lot with

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Speaker 9: just a handful of carries here and there. Miles got

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Speaker 9: a bunch. But I just didn't see Williams at all,

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Speaker 9: So maybe roster building wise, when we're building this thing.

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Speaker 9: I actually saw online some people were kind of thinking

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Speaker 9: we talked about it redundancy right crazy like Williams and

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Speaker 9: MafA being similar, Maybe Wiggins will be out. Seemed like

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Speaker 9: Miles is a question mark?

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Speaker 10: Maybe yeah, I think to me, that's uh, that was

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Speaker 10: kind of looking at it. And I love the conversations

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Speaker 10: we have about redundancy because I think he goes in

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Speaker 9: Brent, please talk, please, Brent, what was watching the film?

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Speaker 9: I got a question for you, bro. Sure cowboys ran

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Speaker 9: out of outside zone looking stuff this game okay, and

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Speaker 9: coming into this Booker evaluation, people were kind of worried

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Speaker 9: that he would have a problem moving and things like that.

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Speaker 9: You know, book are also hooked and log somebody hooked

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Speaker 9: in the outside zone stuff, it seems like Bass didn't

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Speaker 9: always get his head across. Did you kind of see that.

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Speaker 10: Yeah. The thing that the thing that Bats did really

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Speaker 10: one low shotgun snap. Other than that, everything was clean.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and you know, you bring up a good point

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Speaker 10: Oh no, that was bad.

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Speaker 8: It was bad matter what you are, and that part

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Speaker 7: Another big talking point from that game and a talking

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Speaker 8: Be all over the place for the rest of the week.

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Speaker 7: the puzzle piece of all right, how many running backs

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Speaker 7: Through two games with Joe Milton, do you think the

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Speaker 9: Let me say one more nice thing about Nay Times

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that Nate moved that well, Brian.

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Speaker 9: There was one play he kind of went out over

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Speaker 9: He hit nobody, but he was flying. Damn Nay Thomas.

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Speaker 9: I am surprised. All right, mean stuff about Joe and them,

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Speaker 9: all right, I think if that gets hurt, it's Draft

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Speaker 3: It's over with anyway.

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Speaker 9: I think Milton is a long term development guy. Same way,

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Speaker 9: that was a one year thing with Trey. I think

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Speaker 9: you know, just because the Cowboys traded a fourth round

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Speaker 9: would love it if Joe was like the reserve guy

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Speaker 9: him a year after that. I think Greg gives you

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Speaker 9: a better opportunity. Joe has shown that he can do

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Speaker 9: amazing things. Josh Allen did the same thing right Brian

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Speaker 9: Brod's this big active arm. You missed the layers, but

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Speaker 9: you hit the big stupid pass on the sideline perfectly.

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Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying, Yeah, thirty forty yards down

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Speaker 9: see you wide open Jonathan Mingo. Yeah, on the safety,

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Speaker 9: I see you wide open, Jonathan Mingo. But just I'm

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Speaker 9: Joe Milder needs a ton of reps. I'm still a

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Speaker 9: big fan of I'm not saying let's move away from

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you're probably gonna have to really change some of

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Speaker 10: and the down the seam, you got to make that play.

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Speaker 10: You know, you've got to find a way to make

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Speaker 10: you know, something that they're going to have to kind

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Speaker 10: we go to practice every day. It's not like he's

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Speaker 10: You get an interception, you're trying to maybe throw a

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Speaker 10: There are throws that Joe Milton makes where I think

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Speaker 10: that's all about more about the reps and studying and

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Speaker 8: We got to settle him in early.

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Speaker 7: And really every young quarterback, right you want to throw

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Speaker 10: We've seen him before and I'm sorry, I let you finish,

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Speaker 9: Why ask, though, Brian is because when Milton first got here, right,

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Speaker 10: to get them into a little rhythm. In the last

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Speaker 10: especially in the first half. I think in the Rams game,

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Speaker 10: the second half he was better. But in this one though,

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Speaker 10: it kind of it kind of it kind of got

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Speaker 7: And I think he's so uber athletic that he's always

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Speaker 7: going to trust his arm sure anywhere that he is

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Speaker 7: when in reality, you don't necessarily need to sling at

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Speaker 7: seventy five yards down the field like we know he can.

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Speaker 7: But just lair, I still think about the crossword of

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Speaker 7: fllinoy that he missed where there's no one in a

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Speaker 10: Well, he flinoyl. There's been no receiver, no Cowboy receiver

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Speaker 10: in these games that has has struggled more with a

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Speaker 10: has done a great job of getting open. There was

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Speaker 10: just way overthrown and it was a really good route

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Speaker 10: and he just hasn't been rewarded for We're getting open. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: he has.

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Speaker 8: He leads the team and could have should have wood up.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 7: Welcome Back to the Break, Season twenty one, Episode twenty four.

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Speaker 7: I feel like I have to drop that in every

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Speaker 7: time since Derek's not here, But nonetheless, thanks for hanging

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Speaker 7: out with us. Voch Lombardi Brian brought us some Tommy

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Speaker 7: yrsh All right, FLA's talked a lot of offense in

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Speaker 7: that first segment.

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Speaker 8: Let's flip to the defensive side of the ball. You know,

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Speaker 8: I think what was interesting?

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Speaker 9: Go ahead, may I please absolutely let me ask you

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Speaker 9: all the question, boy, Sean mcvay's offense really, is you alive?

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Speaker 3: If you don't process that? Will you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: We go against the Ravens.

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Speaker 9: They do, they do some some similar collegy things, but

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Speaker 9: it ain't as tight tight as you know that Sean

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Speaker 9: mcvayse of right, Damalon Clark had a massive game ridiculous game.

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Speaker 9: Do you think he simply saw things better or he

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Speaker 9: saw it better because the offense was different? That makes sense.

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Speaker 9: Is the Ravens offense easier to process.

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Speaker 10: Or group of Russia quarterback or did?

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Speaker 3: That's fair? That's fair.

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Speaker 10: That's why I think. That's why I think it really

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Speaker 10: because if you're playing, yeah, if you if yeah, it's

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Speaker 10: it's a pretty pretty basic offense when you when you

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Speaker 10: really really break it down, you know, they really rely

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Speaker 10: on there. Like I said, it's it's a completely different.

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Speaker 10: Like I say, there's there's some really good college offenses

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Speaker 10: in the NFL. I think the Ravens are one of them.

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Speaker 10: I think the Ravens, I think the Commanders, I think

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Speaker 10: the Cardinals. I think there's some really good college offenses

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Speaker 10: that play in the NFL. And and uh so it's different.

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Speaker 10: And when you know the way that they ran the ball,

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Speaker 10: I think overall, though this team is going to be,

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Speaker 10: they're only going to be as good as their fits.

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Speaker 10: That's that's where they're at. It fits the run fits

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Speaker 10: that they're going to be. And you know, when you

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Speaker 10: started off, you saw the first drive and the way

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Speaker 10: got You've got example, you've got Sam Williams knife and

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Speaker 10: is that knife inside. Then you see an outside pill

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Speaker 10: by Clark, and then you see an over the top

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Speaker 10: fill by Sanborn, and then on the you know, and

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Speaker 10: then you got Molesey and those guys all kind of

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Speaker 10: chasing the ball, you know that that way, that's where

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Speaker 10: this this is how they're going to have to play defense.

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Speaker 10: It's going to be when they give up big plays

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Speaker 10: in the running game, it's generally because they have somebody

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Speaker 10: that's out of position, because they they are really going

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Speaker 10: to rely on movement and phil and if they get

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Speaker 10: that right, then they've got a chance to play pretty

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Speaker 10: good run defense. Though. But when they when they get

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Speaker 10: when they get turned or knocked out of a hole,

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Speaker 10: or somebody guesses or somebody plays with the wrong shoulder,

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Speaker 10: they're going to give up some runs. And there was

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Speaker 10: some good there were some good fills, and then there

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Speaker 10: were some really some poor fills, you know, And they've

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Speaker 10: got to figure all that out though, And hopefully when

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Speaker 10: your guys that your starters, like you say, I thought

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Speaker 10: your linebackers played well, Clark played well. I thought Sanborn

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Speaker 10: when he was in there played well. Maris has played

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Speaker 10: well the last couple of times out. Shamar James played

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Speaker 10: really really well for a guy that me personally didn't

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Speaker 10: think you had a lot of instincts, you know, in coverability.

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Speaker 10: I thought he was kind of a just a downhill,

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Speaker 10: go tackle them blitz kind of a linebacker. He showed

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Speaker 10: the abuity, kind of the kind of adapt to wherever

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Speaker 10: linebacker play was a little bit better than what I

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Speaker 10: thought it was against the Rams.

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Speaker 7: He thought you'd talk about college offenses. Todd Mounkin, a

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Speaker 7: college guy who was at Georgia before he came to Baltimore.

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Speaker 7: Last two years the number one rushing offense in the NFL.

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Speaker 7: I think, I don't know if there's anybody better schematically

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Speaker 7: at scheming up run. But it also helps when you

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Speaker 7: have Derek Henry and Lamar Jackson in your backfield together.

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Speaker 7: But you were kind of talking about it and when

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Speaker 7: it comes to stopping the running, you talk about the

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Speaker 7: linebackers having a good day, and I think the linebackers

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Speaker 7: were good.

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Speaker 8: Lad. I think it's fair to say.

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Speaker 10: That a good day for better better day when it

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Speaker 10: came to some of the fits that it needed to have, right,

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Speaker 10: I mean you saw signs of good linebacker. It's yeah,

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Speaker 10: the Ravens rushed the ball. I mean they they had

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Speaker 10: they but they also had some rushes where the ball

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Speaker 10: was bounced to the outside and say the end got

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Speaker 10: knocked down and they're you know, say jan Ye Thomas

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Speaker 10: didn't feel quick enough or they didn't get a fill

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Speaker 10: you know, quick enough. Instead of being a you know,

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Speaker 10: a two three yard game, it's a you know, six

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Speaker 10: seven yard game. You know, they they've got to That's

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Speaker 10: that's what they're gonna live on. This guys, they're going

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Speaker 10: to live on their fits. And if they're not good,

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Speaker 10: because they're not big enough to play toe to toe

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Speaker 10: with anybody, they're just not.

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Speaker 3: Is Clark a guy that you would trust in the

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Speaker 3: regular season.

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Speaker 8: Tommy Damone Clark Clark, Yes.

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Speaker 3: Based on what he did last night with or are

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Speaker 3: you just saying you know.

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Speaker 7: No, absolutely, I don't think he's gonna he's probably not

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Speaker 7: starting for you, sure, but this guy led the team

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Speaker 7: in tackles two years ago at twenty twenty three season

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Speaker 7: where you went twelve and five, and you know, you

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Speaker 7: look like you could make a pretty deep run on

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Speaker 7: the playoffs. I don't know if there is anybody that

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Speaker 7: benefits more from having Matty Berfluis as the defensive coordinator

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Speaker 7: now than Damone Clark because he and Mike Zimmer just

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Speaker 7: didn't mesh for whatever reason. Sometimes you have that with

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Speaker 7: the new coaching staff and it just doesn't work out.

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Speaker 7: But you know, I think he's a good enough player

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Speaker 7: to you know, if you look at that fourth linebacker spot,

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Speaker 7: fifth linebacker spot, you know, I think Murray Sanborn and

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Speaker 7: Leah Fowl are probably your three, your starting guys if

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Speaker 7: you play, if you play either bass, or if you

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Speaker 7: throw an extra linebacker out there. But I don't think

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Speaker 7: Demon Clark is a bad depth option to have whatsoever.

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Speaker 10: Tommy, You're you're way ahead of us because I didn't

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Speaker 10: see Murray. Murray was gone because the birth is child.

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Speaker 10: I think I saw one practice and I haven't seen

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Speaker 10: him in any preseason games or anything like that. But

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Speaker 10: you know that I have any substantial work. But what

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Speaker 10: was it like in practice once he came back. Was

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Speaker 10: because it's really going to be about Murray, It's gonna

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Speaker 10: be about Sanborn. It's going to be about Leah foul.

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Speaker 10: Those are the three guys because it will see with Clark,

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Speaker 10: I mean, and I man, I appreciate your confidence in that.

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Speaker 10: And because like I say, he looked like he reverted

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Speaker 10: back to some play last year when he played against

657
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Speaker 10: the Rams. This time it looked like and maybe it

658
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Speaker 10: was a little bit more of the simplistic offense for

659
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Speaker 10: him to be able to kind of see those things.

660
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Speaker 10: It was a little bit more Okay, this is what

661
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Speaker 10: we're going to do in the running game, where oh,

662
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Speaker 10: we're not going to have all these crossers and you know,

663
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Speaker 10: people that he had to deal with in the passing

664
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Speaker 10: game against the Rams.

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Speaker 8: I'll say this about Murray.

666
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Speaker 7: I think when he came back initially that first week

667
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Speaker 7: or so was the all right, I've been out for

668
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Speaker 7: a while. Sure, I'm getting back into the swing of things.

669
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Speaker 7: But really those last couple of padded practices you talk

670
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Speaker 7: about run fills. I think he had a couple of

671
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Speaker 7: good days where you were like, all right, Kenneth, Murray

672
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Speaker 7: filled that gap.

673
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 8: He filled that gap. He filled that gap.

674
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Speaker 7: So what I want to see for Murray is, you know,

675
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Speaker 7: what do you do when you drop back in coverage?

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Speaker 3: Right?

677
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Speaker 7: What does it look like with him because one of

678
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Speaker 7: the things that I find interesting. I don't know if

679
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Speaker 7: this is maybe just me reading too much into it,

680
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 7: but he gets so low in his stance, he gets

681
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 7: super low, like he's almost on level with He almost

682
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Speaker 7: said it looks like he.

683
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Speaker 8: Has his hand in the ground because he want a

684
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Speaker 8: fire forward.

685
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Speaker 10: And that's right.

686
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Speaker 7: So you know, starting at that point, what is that does?

687
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Speaker 7: What does that change if anything? But no, I think

688
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 7: he had a solid day, and I think the fact

689
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Speaker 7: that he hasn't played up to this point, you think

690
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Speaker 7: about he's still a young guy by in terms of age.

691
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Speaker 7: I think it's gonna be his sixth season in the NFL.

692
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 7: But there's gonna be no room that benefits more from

693
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Speaker 7: this new defensive staff in the linebacker rooms, just because

694
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Speaker 7: of Matt Eberfleu's strong track record with them, and I

695
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 7: think that's why you see the investment there with guys

696
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Speaker 7: like Kenneth Murray. I thought Jack Sanborn, he only played

697
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Speaker 7: maybe fifteen or so snapped, played pretty well, and the

698
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Speaker 7: linebacker room as a whole, I think had a better

699
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Speaker 7: day in terms of what was a very not so

700
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Speaker 7: bright day for the defense. But you know, I think

701
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Speaker 7: Brian hit it on the head where if they if

702
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Speaker 7: they can't fill just because of the lack of depth,

703
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Speaker 7: you've got a defensive tackle, then you're going to see

704
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Speaker 7: some of the results where the Rams run for one

705
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 7: hundred and eighty one yards on the ground one hundred

706
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Speaker 7: and forty eight yards for the Ravens on the ground.

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Speaker 3: This is zech where I was going next.

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Speaker 9: Like watching the linebackers play this game in all the games, practice, whatever,

709
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Speaker 9: it just makes me wish that the Cowboys would take

710
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Speaker 9: one tech a little more seriously, because when those guys

711
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 9: don't have to deal with blocks in front of them,

712
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,239
Speaker 9: they're much much better. James Clark Sanborn as well, uh

713
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 9: Leo File. When they get to just run free, I

714
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Speaker 9: think that's when they're gonna be at their best. But

715
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Speaker 9: we currently don't have a group of guys against a

716
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Speaker 9: first team offense that are just gonna let those let's

717
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 9: let those linebackers run free. Uh So I would I

718
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Speaker 9: would love it if the Cowboys went to go find somebody.

719
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Speaker 9: I think the one text this game played a little

720
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Speaker 9: better than last game, but man, I just that that

721
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 9: bar is not high enough.

722
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Speaker 3: They like, oh you play better.

723
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Speaker 10: They just need to go ahead and start j A

724
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Speaker 10: t at one technique is what they need to do.

725
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Speaker 10: I think, so Toy and that and to me that

726
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Speaker 10: and just let him get as much work as he.

727
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Speaker 3: Can and who over Winfree? Why you know what?

728
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Speaker 10: I kind of feel like to me, maybe maybe it's

729
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 10: just and this is not a great answer, it's not

730
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Speaker 10: a great answer. I just kind of feel like though

731
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Speaker 10: that that's a big body in there. That's a guy

732
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Speaker 10: that you know. I think Winfrey. I think Winfrey's really

733
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 10: good at being disruptive at times. I think JT holds

734
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 10: blocks and when you and there was a time, I

735
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 10: mean even I remember in part of the game and

736
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 10: this was even a this was a Massie play, Sam

737
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 10: Williams held a block, uh Mazzi held a block and

738
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 10: Samborne Samborne meets Ali in the hole and it's a

739
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 10: it's no game. It's like you know, it's a it's

740
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 10: a third down run and you get everything across. I

741
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 10: just think with j T though, to me, I've seen

742
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 10: him like be super active, but I'm seeing him hold

743
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 10: up blocks and I don't know if Winfrey holds the blocks.

744
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 10: I know Winfrey can come off the ball and be

745
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 10: disruptive and all that. I think that's a really good

746
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 10: trait to have and I and I love playing that way.

747
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 10: I just think this young guy's got something there. I

748
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 10: think that the size, but he's got he He could

749
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 10: get rid of guys and they come back to the ball.

750
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Speaker 10: If we always talked about retracing steps. He gets up

751
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 10: the field and he sees and then he could come back.

752
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 10: He's just not with these guys that kind of just

753
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 10: stands there and does nothing. Grass ain't dying under his feet.

754
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 10: And I just I like that. I like that that

755
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 10: kind of that big physical presidency has But I could

756
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 10: understand why people like Winfrey and I and I like

757
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 10: Winfrey too. I just think it's a different style that

758
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 10: they play with, and I think they maybe need a

759
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 10: little bit bigger to maybe a little bit bigger guy

760
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Speaker 10: that can maybe help ohso diggy zoo to that side.

761
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Speaker 9: Do you do you think the coaches tapped Jay on

762
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Speaker 9: the show Ja Toea on the on the shoulder and says, hey,

763
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Speaker 9: you know you're normally active running down. I want you

764
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 9: to anchor down and drop your ass a little bit.

765
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Speaker 9: Do you think a coach.

766
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Speaker 10: Titan I haven't seen him play that way because the

767
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 10: last couple of games, it seems like to me it

768
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 10: has been more try to get upfield, trying to be disruptive.

769
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 10: I think he's he's he's kind of seeing what his

770
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 10: teammates with the coaches are asking his teammates to do.

771
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Speaker 10: And maybe it's the opposite of what you know he's

772
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 10: hearing in the meeting. He's watching tape and they're like

773
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 10: telling Mazie, Mazi you got a little quicker off the

774
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 10: ball here. You gotta get up the field. You gotta

775
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 10: everybody's talking about getting up the field. And if you

776
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 10: watch the practice tape and they will sit in the

777
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 10: room together, he sees Winfrey getting off the ball, he

778
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 10: sees Thomas getting off the ball, he sees Osa getting

779
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 10: off the ball. So he's trying to even king Besodi

780
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Speaker 10: is you know late in that game he comes in

781
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 10: the fourth, he's trying to get off the ball. So

782
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Speaker 10: I me, personally, I would go ahead and play the

783
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 10: rookie just and then and and if you want to

784
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 10: rotate him in there with Winfrey, I just think he

785
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 10: gives you a just a bigger, bigger body. Maybe on

786
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 10: some early downs you talk about getting up the field.

787
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 10: That's what Mattyberfluss wants.

788
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 7: He calls it an attack front, and he wants his

789
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 7: defensive lineman getting up the field. That's why Mozzie Smith

790
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 7: dropped weight, which, if anything, I think he should have

791
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 7: put on weight so that it goes back to anchoring.

792
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Speaker 8: Right.

793
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Speaker 7: I'm with you, Brian in terms of j Doya playing

794
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Speaker 7: at one tech because Doya jya Hey Tom.

795
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Speaker 3: Tommy Cuban.

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Speaker 8: That's how I was.

797
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Speaker 7: Told to pronounce it. Yeah, yeah, okay, I got that one.

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Speaker 7: Patrick Walker put.

799
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Speaker 8: Me onto that.

800
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Speaker 7: But I'll say this when I just want him to

801
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Speaker 7: J and Jay.

802
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Speaker 8: I just want him to sit there and anchor. That's it.

803
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 7: I think back to the Rams game, over fifty percent

804
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 7: of his snaps were double teams. If that happens, then

805
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 7: your linebackers come up and Phil, you will be much

806
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 7: better against the run than you were.

807
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Speaker 8: These last two weeks.

808
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 7: Perry On Winfrey, you're not necessarily getting that anchor because

809
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 7: he's pushing up the field. He's going to attack it

810
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 7: after the quarterback. I don't want j the Leo racking

811
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Speaker 7: up five sacks this year. I think in Cowboys shouldn't

812
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 7: want that either. But schematically, that's what Matty Berflus is asking,

813
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Speaker 7: so that just begs the question of okay, does that

814
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Speaker 7: mean Winfrey is maybe a better fit when it comes

815
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 7: to deciding a fifty three? And that's a conversation that

816
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 7: this staff is going to have to have here over

817
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Speaker 7: the next.

818
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Speaker 8: Couple of weeks.

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Speaker 7: All right, well we'll come back to that. I got

820
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Speaker 7: a question to you about I got a real question

821
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Speaker 7: when you come back. I got a question about talking

822
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Speaker 7: about where guys are playing. I got a question about that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I got this event, so y go ahead. We

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Speaker 10: I missed that thing.

882
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: I know it.

883
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,000
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884
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Speaker 7: so now we get the ding back.

885
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Speaker 8: Thank you Beemer. All right, Fellas, quick question, good question.

886
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 8: You both had questions.

887
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 3: I'm merely Bran's always gott to go.

888
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 10: Have you noticed you're playing Ezra Raku at left end

889
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 10: and playing uh Peyton Turner right in?

890
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 3: Yep? Then I switch them, then I switch them.

891
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 10: Do you think they're doing that on purpose? Not to

892
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 10: show teams how they're how they're gonna probably play those

893
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 10: guys or how they rush from those sides.

894
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 9: If I had to guess, Donovan's gonna move everywhere, play

895
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 9: some linebacker, some some a gaps standing type stuff on

896
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 9: the side, I think Donovan's gonna be opposite of wherever

897
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 9: Mike's at, you know what I'm saying, Like, if Michael's here,

898
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 9: Donin's gonna be on the other shirt and they'll put

899
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 9: a big body in that lift over outside gap. But

900
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 9: uh yeah, Donovan's been mostly over the right tackle in practice,

901
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 9: he was over the left.

902
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: Tackle of Bunch.

903
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 9: So when I was documenting camp and I was watching guiding,

904
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 9: Donovan was always over there, but in these games, don Ezrok, who.

905
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 3: Has always been on there, I just wanted I wondered

906
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: if they're sam as well.

907
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 10: So I wonder if they're doing that just to kind

908
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 10: of not give anybody an idea how that how these

909
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 10: ends are gonna play in games?

910
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 8: Can I build on that?

911
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 10: Thar go ahead?

912
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 7: Have you guys noticed that as Araka has almost strictly

913
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 7: been bull rush these last couple of weeks. He's not

914
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 7: really using his hands much, which is I I thought

915
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 7: one of his strength from college.

916
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 10: Yeah, now he's I mean I was kind of hopeful

917
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 10: that we'd see a couple of different pressures. So he's

918
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 10: getting better. He's learning in the twist stuff and things

919
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 10: like that. So that's pretty kind of exciting.

920
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, all right, there's saving all the best plays.

921
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 8: That's what. That's what, That's what it seems like.

922
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 7: Hey, all right, bout you had a you had a

923
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 7: question as well as we wanted to come back.

924
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 9: Shockingly, I'm keeping it at edge defensive end. So we've

925
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 9: been talking about building this little this little thing out

926
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 9: and the guys that's kind of going against each other, right,

927
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Speaker 9: we know micah Uh, Dante Donovan aren't going anywhere. I

928
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 9: gotta say it, Do you guys feel like James Houston

929
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 9: has caught up to a lot of these guys and

930
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 9: then maybe he's making a bigger impact than maybe like

931
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Speaker 9: a Peyton Turner at edge maybe and Sam at it.

932
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Speaker 9: Do you think James Houston, who joined this thing last right,

933
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 9: do you think he's earned his way on this team?

934
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 9: Because when I'm watching him, and it's funny, you say,

935
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 9: Donovan's not showing none of his moves, James showing all

936
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 9: his Yeah, James.

937
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 10: Is that that kind of that stop start that jump

938
00:39:59,560 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 10: out there?

939
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 9: James is whooping feet from all different angles. He's using hands,

940
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 9: He's setting guys up speed, the power, power to speed, slap,

941
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 9: chop and all this kind of stuff. So do you

942
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 9: guys think that him and his impact because he keeps

943
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 9: flash you can't miss James Houston.

944
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: Do you think he's played better than Peyton Turner?

945
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 10: And oh, he's played better than Peyton absolutely?

946
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 9: Do you think that turns into James getting the job here?

947
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 9: Because Peyton Turner was a guy that was traded for,

948
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 9: he was a free agent guy.

949
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 10: He signed, he was signed, and there was times to

950
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 10: practice where I thought early when I started training camp

951
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 10: practice where he showed up playing some nickel tackle stuff,

952
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 10: but I haven't seen it as much. And he watched

953
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 10: some of the some of the things, some of the things.

954
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 10: He's supposed to be good against the run, and there

955
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 10: was some couple of problems they had in the game

956
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 10: this past week where he wasn't good against the run.

957
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 10: So you know, if they're gonna be an upfield attacking

958
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 10: kind of uh, they're gonna be an upfield attacking type

959
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 10: of a defense. And Houston was okay with against the run.

960
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 10: I mean he will he's like Sam every once while,

961
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 10: he'll knife down inside or you know, he's He's not

962
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 10: the biggest guy in the world to have to play

963
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 10: the edge, but I think if you're asking for a

964
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 10: guy that can do both, he's probably better at it

965
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 10: than Turner where Turner's I'll tell you what I think

966
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 10: that Kneeland, I think Neeling. I think Neiland is looking really, really,

967
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 10: really good right now.

968
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 8: He had a great care How was he.

969
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: So wide, Brian?

970
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 9: It had him like lined up like as a nine

971
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 9: almost like that's not his game. You want me to

972
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 9: be closer, a little more powerful.

973
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 3: Why was he so wide?

974
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 10: I don't. I don't know why. Maybe they would just

975
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 10: want to see if he can do that. You know,

976
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 10: that's one of those looks you're like, hey, let's see

977
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 10: if you can lind up at a wide nine and

978
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 10: if he could if he could get home from there,

979
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 10: just to kind of see. But I think I think

980
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 10: the closer that he plays to the the edge, probably

981
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 10: the better off he's gonna be. But he's developed some

982
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 10: pass rush that that he did not have when he

983
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 10: was coming out of college.

984
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 7: And that's always something that you'll take. I don't think

985
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 7: you can have enough good pass rushing team, especially, but yeah.

986
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 10: To Houston, I think he's in the mix.

987
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 7: He's playing himself into a serious conversation to where if

988
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 7: he's not on the fifty three there, the Cowboys are

989
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 7: going to be praying that he clears so that they

990
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 7: can bring him back to the practice squad. But I

991
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 7: think that's kind of hard to see right now. All right,

992
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 7: let's drop it back to the secondary. Speaking of roster

993
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 7: spots at the at the cornerback specific position, specifically, it's

994
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 7: it's a tough spot to judge because you're waiting on digs.

995
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 7: Jerry Jones even said it like we we want Diggs

996
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 7: to get back as soon as possible because we need

997
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 7: to help in the cornerback room. You got Savan Revel

998
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 7: the third round pick this past year, and then you

999
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 7: see the game against the Ravens where Andrew Booth comes

1000
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 7: up with the pick six, Keemon Hall gets an interception.

1001
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 7: I think Zion Childress has only continued to play better

1002
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 7: and better. Are some guys playing themselves into spots here

1003
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 7: at that spot.

1004
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 9: I think day one, you roll out Bland and Kyer

1005
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 9: Elam on the outside, and I think, is your nickel guy?

1006
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would be comfortable. I'm comfortable, but I would

1007
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 8: be okay with that.

1008
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 9: He's a he's a taller, longer, you know, longer nickel two,

1009
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 9: which is you know, which is interesting matchup as you

1010
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 9: could do some things there. But just in terms of

1011
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 9: who's playing better, I think's kit Heir. They was out

1012
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 9: in the red zone one time and Elom just took

1013
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 9: his guy away, like he read the eyes of it

1014
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 9: was probably rushing whoever they was, and he just kind

1015
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 9: of took He just took his guy away like two

1016
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 9: or three times. Like the quarterback scrambled and the wires

1017
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 9: he was scrambled with him. Children took it away two

1018
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 9: or three times, and it wasn't like this big flashy

1019
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 9: Oh we called it interception.

1020
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 3: You didn't see it.

1021
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 9: But just me watching the f I'm like, damn boy,

1022
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 9: that would have been a touchdown right there, there and there,

1023
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 9: but children took it away three times. Just watching him,

1024
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 9: I think he's confident out there. I think he's playing well,

1025
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 9: tackling tackling as a corner. He's hunger out there. So

1026
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 9: we have another undrafted character that's coming in here, whooping feet,

1027
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 9: and I know we just crossing our fingers waiting on

1028
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 9: you know, Digs and you know, Revel to come back.

1029
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 9: But like, where does Butler person? Yeah, what's going on

1030
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 9: with Tome? You got something on Carson?

1031
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 7: Carson a couple of weeks I think was his How

1032
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 7: long you have to wait?

1033
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 3: Man?

1034
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 9: Carson ain't like Digs and Revel. See, Revel's like premium pixel.

1035
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 3: He's here.

1036
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 9: Diggs is like money, so he's here. Carson is a

1037
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 9: fifth round pick. They don't owe Carson anything. And he

1038
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 9: needs a game bad. He needs he needs to show

1039
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 9: up and put something on on film in the worst way,

1040
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 9: and he's not doing it right now. And it's it's

1041
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 9: it's even worse that the guys around him are playing

1042
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 9: and they're doing things, they're flashing, and they're showing themselves. Booth,

1043
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 9: even though Booth may get whooped up a couple of

1044
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 9: times and he'll still kind of catch his pick, Booth

1045
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 9: is still doing more than what Carson is doing.

1046
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 3: So I don't know where that leaves him in this

1047
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: whole time.

1048
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 10: I think Cooper rush knew who he wanted to attack

1049
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 10: in that game they found Booth. He that's that's knowing

1050
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 10: a guy being in a teammate with a guy. I'll

1051
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 10: say this. I learned something the other day in the

1052
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 10: pregame show when Brian Schottenheimer was talking with Brad Shamp.

1053
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 10: They see Childress as a nickel player only I mean

1054
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 10: they really do. That's I mean they see him as

1055
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 10: an inside assets what they called it. And so that

1056
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 10: tells me that they're they're going to be comfortable playing

1057
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 10: with him or playing with Hall in that nickel role.

1058
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 10: And if he gave me the choice, I think Hall

1059
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 10: can be physical. I think I think I think Children's

1060
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 10: Gonna takes it to a different level because there was

1061
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 10: a couple of plays in the game where he had

1062
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 10: to come up and make a tackle almost like a linebacker,

1063
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 10: you know, playing they were playing the condensed formation trips

1064
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 10: and he's all of a sudden he sees it's a run.

1065
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 10: He goes flying down inside makes a tackle in the

1066
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 10: backfield like that.

1067
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 7: That.

1068
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 10: You know, give me, give me these if you're going

1069
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 10: to struggle with the run or have worries about the run,

1070
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 10: Give me as many secondary guys that can tackle that

1071
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 10: that that that will help my run defense be a

1072
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 10: lot better.

1073
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 7: I think his burst and kind of just quick twitch

1074
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 7: to change direction and get to the ball in the

1075
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 7: run game is going to be value because you think

1076
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 7: about the nickel spot.

1077
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 8: It's it's so fascinating.

1078
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 7: To watch how much that position has grown in importance

1079
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 7: in recent years. And I think if that's a position

1080
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 7: of struggle, Cowboys fans are going to look at Jordan

1081
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 7: Lewis and be kicking themselves like man, or even the

1082
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 7: cowboys themselves could be killed themselves just like man.

1083
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 8: That's maybe he was. They've tried valuable then.

1084
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 10: And honestly, if you look at me and I say this,

1085
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 10: I'm not doing it to you know, poor cowboys still,

1086
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 10: but think about you know, think about the guy. If

1087
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 10: the guys who were hurt were practicing right now, we'd

1088
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 10: feel a lot better about this secondary. So we'd feel

1089
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 10: and we wouldn't be talking about Children's and Hall and

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Speaker 10: all those guys as much as we are right now.

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Speaker 9: Well, we like if all those other guys are there

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Speaker 9: and they were healthy, and Children's has the same camp,

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Speaker 9: the same.

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Speaker 10: If Revel we'd be talking, we'd be talking about Digs,

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Speaker 10: Revel Bland. You know what's gonna happen. What's gonna happen

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Speaker 10: when Diggs comes back? What's what? Who do you think

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Speaker 10: goes to the curb? It's probably gonna be but now

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Speaker 10: becomes a backup player likely Right.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying is, I think Children's has done enough.

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Speaker 10: Even I'm not, I'm not I love children, I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: We're looking for what I'm saying.

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Speaker 10: I'm just saying, if all those other guys were healthy,

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Speaker 10: sure we'd be talking about Childrens is like, WHOA, what

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Speaker 10: a nice skit, and let's hope we could get it

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Speaker 10: back on the practice. That's what would be talking about.

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Speaker 9: I think he made the team makers because Kayln Carson

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Speaker 9: showed me not so children so far just in camp

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Speaker 9: and what I've been seeing, I think he's having a

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Speaker 9: better first couple of weeks than Carson.

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Speaker 3: Did last year.

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Speaker 7: I will say, oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, and Kaylorn Carson

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Speaker 7: was a guy that got a lot of positive buzz at.

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Speaker 8: A camp last year too, from what I remember at least.

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Speaker 7: And then of course, no, absolutely, you're right in a

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Speaker 7: game setting, you know, I think I think back to

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Speaker 7: the Philadelphia game in Dallas where he just kind of

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Speaker 7: got picked on and picked on and picked on and

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Speaker 7: then similar to Andrew Booth last yester year at times,

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Speaker 7: which is why Cooper Rush went after him so early.

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Speaker 10: I think. So, I think Cooper knew, like throwing the

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Speaker 10: other on, I'm throwing.

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Speaker 8: It that right, And to his credit, he made place.

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Speaker 10: He made play.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he made.

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Speaker 7: Plays, and that's and he led the team in tackles

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Speaker 7: to which you don't necessarily always want to see from

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Speaker 7: your numbers. But nonetheless, you know, the pick six I

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Speaker 7: think was a big confidence booster, and confidence obviously one

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Speaker 7: of the most important things when you're playing cornerback, much

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Speaker 7: less when you struggled, like like you have an ox

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00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 7: or excuse me, like you have in the past. In

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Speaker 7: boost case, that's certainly you know, something special to maybe

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Speaker 7: not necessarily special, but it builds you up in a

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Speaker 7: positive way.

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Speaker 10: And sure they're banged up. Oh no, he had one

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Speaker 10: foot in the parking lot. He needed he needed that game,

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Speaker 10: him Clark. There's some guys that needed some games.

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Speaker 8: And came on Hall too.

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Speaker 7: I think, you know, just trying to in that battle

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Speaker 7: for the for the nickel spot with Zion Childress, especially

1141
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Speaker 7: because you know, I think the Cowboys have the safety

1142
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 7: blanket of okay, at worst case, we feel confident that

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00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 7: we can kick Deron Bland inside. But then what do

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00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 7: you do on the outside of the other spot opposite

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00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 7: of Kay or Elon. And I think that Zion Childresses play,

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Speaker 7: especially last game, is gonna is gonna make you feel

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Speaker 7: a lot better.

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Speaker 8: Of course, still one game left to go.

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Speaker 7: We'll talk about that more later in the week, but

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Speaker 7: for now, that's going to do it from us here

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Speaker 7: on the break.

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Speaker 8: Thank you so much for.

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Speaker 9: The last name, because I know Derek is watching there.

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Speaker 9: We've got a thousand people watching live, and I know

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Speaker 9: Derek kind of competes the break and talk Cowboys against

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Speaker 9: each other.

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Speaker 3: Talk cowboys can't do that. Go ahead, time and go ahead, Rebish.

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Speaker 7: As a neutral party, I have no comment here.

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Speaker 3: The thousand lives stop.

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Speaker 8: Well, thank we think all one.

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Speaker 10: Thanks to.

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Speaker 7: Of you, all one thousand and seventy seven of you

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