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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dirk Durham, and today my guest is a hunter,

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Speaker 1: a hunting guide, and much much more.

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Speaker 2: Steve Fernandez, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Heck yeah, man, I haven't seen you for a long

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Speaker 1: time in person. I see all the time on social media. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: probably the last time I saw it was a Colorado

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Speaker 1: show or what maybe Western.

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Speaker 3: Hunt, Western Hunt, Fist or no One in Salt Lake.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Salt Lake. Yeah, yeah, man. You kind of started

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Speaker 1: off with your season with a red arrow.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty awesome. Tell us about that.

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Speaker 3: Well, pronghorn season starts in Colorado in August. So it

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Speaker 3: was last week and anyhow, my wife and I, it's

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Speaker 3: good friends of ours. We all hunting a ranch es

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Speaker 3: to Trinidad, Colorado, and we just hammered him. It was

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Speaker 3: hot and dry and we were sitting water holes and

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Speaker 3: ended up harvesting some really nice bucks. So it's already

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Speaker 3: over with and now it's time to shift gears into

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Speaker 3: elk season.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I've never hunted pronghorn. I've never I've

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Speaker 1: never had a tag. I've never tried in Idaho, they

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Speaker 1: have kind of an unlimited draw, so you have to

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Speaker 1: put in for a draw for an archery tag. But

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Speaker 1: it hasn't been super attractive to me to sit in

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Speaker 1: the hot blind and sit there and sweat. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I'm tough enough. Man, you must be tough.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough, but I'll tell you what, when it

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Speaker 3: does happen, it's worth it.

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Speaker 2: So pretty awesome.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know it's funny. Some years we'll have

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Speaker 3: seasons where you're sitting in there for days on end,

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Speaker 3: fourteen hour days, and then some days you hop in

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Speaker 3: the blind in two hours you're tagged out. Like this year,

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Speaker 3: we were just super. It was just fast. It was

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Speaker 3: so hot and dry. We didn't have to put much

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Speaker 3: time and so it was great.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, how do you how do you take care

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Speaker 1: of your prong horn after you shoot them? Do you

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Speaker 1: tell me about that?

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Speaker 3: So basically we have one of those big Yetti's, really

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Speaker 3: big ones that can put out quarters in if you

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Speaker 3: wanted to. And then at my house, I bought an

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Speaker 3: ice machine just for for stuff like that, so we

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Speaker 3: fill it up with ice when we head out and

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Speaker 3: if we harvest one, we'll kape them right there, corner

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Speaker 3: them up, skin them, and then they're on ice instant.

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Speaker 1: So okay, we do.

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Speaker 3: That right in the field as soon as we're tagging

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Speaker 3: done hunting out there. So makes it nice. You don't

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Speaker 3: have a mess when you get home. Plus your meat's

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Speaker 3: cold and just makes it taste way better, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's crazy because I hear people who do

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Speaker 1: it exactly like you. As soon as they kill it,

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Speaker 1: they get the heid off, get that thing on ice

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Speaker 1: right away and then and those folks always say, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're great eat and they taste good. And I've had

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Speaker 1: some some of their meat and it's just been fantastic.

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Speaker 2: It's like one of my favorites.

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Speaker 1: I really love of antelope prong horned meat. But some

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Speaker 1: other people will say, oh, it's terrible, it's disgusting, it

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Speaker 1: tastes bad, and I'm like, man, you didn't take care

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Speaker 1: of it, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they probably drove two hours in the hot sun

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Speaker 3: with it cooking on cooking the back of the truck.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they do it like they do a deer

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Speaker 1: in like November. Right, They just throw in the back

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Speaker 1: and gut it, throwing the back of the truck and

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Speaker 1: skin it at home or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it must be. Yeah, how you handle it?

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Speaker 1: So you bet for Inevor listeners out there who are

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Speaker 1: going to go prong horn hunting, then man, take that

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Speaker 1: get that hide off right away. Because I don't have

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Speaker 1: any experience with it, but everybody I've talked to that

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Speaker 3: So's the same with ALLCN September. I mean, yeah, you're

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Speaker 3: you know how hot it is. And if you don't

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Speaker 3: get that cape off them, even if you gut them whatever,

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Speaker 3: they're spoiling, you got to make sure you get that

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Speaker 3: heat out and pull them down, you know, mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know a lot of times people kind

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Speaker 1: of start at those hind quarters to skin them out.

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Speaker 1: But man, I've uh, I like to try to get

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's because the main is so thick

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Speaker 2: That's exactly okay, yep.

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Speaker 3: So it's funny like people will even shoot one in

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Speaker 3: wintertime and if they gut him out in the field,

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Speaker 3: and they by the time they get him to the

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Speaker 3: That's just from heat being trapped in there. So like

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Speaker 3: you said, best bet is to just get that neck

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Speaker 3: cape them right away and then get your quarters off.

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Speaker 3: I don't even do. I just do the gutless method

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Speaker 3: on ninety percent of my kills anyway, So that's the

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Speaker 3: first thing I do is cape them. Get the heat out,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Man, unless you can load one hole with

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Speaker 1: a tractor or something, and man, the gutless method is

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Speaker 1: you're gonna make bone broth or something. Man, get that

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Speaker 1: thing broke down. Leave the bones in the woods. You

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Speaker 1: don't have to deal with it. You're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: get rid of those, right You don't want to throw

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Speaker 1: them out in the in the in the trash or

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Speaker 1: dispose them correctly, depend on your state. But man, leave

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Speaker 3: You see a lot of guys in the back country

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Speaker 3: and lot less less pain on the back, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've seen a couple of guys do that. Well,

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Speaker 1: on YouTube. Dan Stayton, Oh, you like to give that

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Speaker 3: But he's again freet so he's okay, Well he.

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Speaker 2: Was working out right, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, but he's like, you know, shoot, they got

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Speaker 2: I don't want any flies crawling in there nothing.

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Speaker 3: So you bet that's the whole key to having good

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Speaker 1: So yeah, well, Steve where do you live and where

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Speaker 1: are you from? Are you from? You live in the

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Speaker 1: same town you grew up.

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Speaker 3: In or yeah, I sure do. I'm so. I'm in

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Speaker 3: southern Colorado, little town called Trinidad. My wife and I

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Speaker 3: have a little ranch east to town. So, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: grew up out here since I was a young kid

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Speaker 3: bow hunting with my dad. So started at a young age,

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Speaker 3: at thirteen years old, chasing deer around with the bow,

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Speaker 3: and ever since then I've been a avid hunter, you know.

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Speaker 1: So that's awesome. Yeah, what was your first animal that

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Speaker 3: A little four corn mule deer with the old PSC nova.

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Speaker 3: I remember little three metal pins on there, uh huh,

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Speaker 1: Them all them old PSC novas. They had a really

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Speaker 1: small cam on him too, like yep. But that's good

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Speaker 1: for fingershooting, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you bet, that's what back in the old days.

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Speaker 3: That's what we did. You know. The rest had that

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, little upper rest or whatever.

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Speaker 2: How long until it took you to graduate to like

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Speaker 3: It's probably in my twenties, I mean took them the

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Speaker 3: early twenties started. But then you know, we all started

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Speaker 3: the bow hunting, but we didn't have the proper technique.

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Speaker 3: We didn't know anything about draw links tuning in a bow.

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Speaker 3: So I look back all the big game animals I

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Speaker 3: missed when I was younger, and I wish I knew now,

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Speaker 3: like back then, You're like, I would have killed a

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Speaker 3: lot more stuff. You know, Yeah, I missed quite a

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, man, if I if I had a

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Speaker 1: lot of these do overs again on on on big

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Speaker 1: not sure some some archery guys going to be like

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Speaker 1: it going left or right, you know, flip flopping or

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Speaker 2: So they make a couple of little adjustments. Yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: And nobody knew about front of center, you know, I

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Speaker 1: nobody even ever heard of it. You know, front a center. Wait, FOC.

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Speaker 1: That's the big rage now, and and everybody's so, you know,

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Speaker 1: wrapped up in arrow weight and all that stuff these days.

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Speaker 2: And man, we didn't We didn't know any of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: And the elk didn't either, but they still died, you know,

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Speaker 1: when we hit them with an arrow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got a few. But yeah, I remember the

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Speaker 3: double X seventy fives. Remember the Eastern cart or aluminiums

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Speaker 3: So I get back to the truck and I have

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Speaker 3: I don't know, twenty years old, and I shoot and

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Speaker 3: I'm hitting far left, and I looked at all my

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Speaker 3: And that's the thing, you you know, when you're hunting

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00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,119
Speaker 3: public land, just two mature animals all you could ask for.

434
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,119
Speaker 3: I mean, if you if you have a passion for

435
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 3: elk hunting, that's the trophy itself. Is here, going to

436
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,320
Speaker 3: be work in and coming in, you know. So that's

437
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,119
Speaker 3: how I look at it.

438
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had somebody ask me what success looked like

439
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,760
Speaker 1: on an elk hunt, Like what what? Excuse me? At

440
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,199
Speaker 1: what point do you feel like your hunt was a success?

441
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,919
Speaker 1: And I said, Man, when I can call in a

442
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,720
Speaker 1: bowl and I can feel like I completely fooled him

443
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 1: and he thought I was another elk and he comes in. Now,

444
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 1: I may and may not get a shot off or nothing,

445
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 1: but if he comes in and he thinks I'm an elk,

446
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:39,440
Speaker 1: that right.

447
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,440
Speaker 2: There, to me is success. Like, man, I've I've called

448
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 2: him in.

449
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,160
Speaker 1: I've fooled that wild animal and to think I'm an elk,

450
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,199
Speaker 1: that's I'm I'm happy as can be.

451
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 2: I love that live for that.

452
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:49,360
Speaker 3: Now.

453
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 1: If I get an arrow in him, or if i'm

454
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 1: rifle on whatever I'm shooting, if I get him, just

455
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 1: that's just icing on the cake. You know. Of course

456
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 1: I want to get one, but man, if I can

457
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 1: pull him, that's just that's awesome. It's so fun. You

458
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 1: bet that's the.

459
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 3: Whole key outcutting is here here in the Beagles. You know,

460
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 3: that's another thing. Then September it's a magical time of year.

461
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 3: The leaves are changing, the weather's getting cold, and just

462
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,199
Speaker 3: the experience alone, you know, that's amazing. I wish everybody

463
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 3: could have witness that feeling. You know, they'd wonder why

464
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 3: we have such a strong passion for it. But it's coming.

465
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 3: A few more months or a few more weeks, and

466
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:27,639
Speaker 3: we'll be after it. You know.

467
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can sure appreciate that. My wife, it's funny.

468
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 1: In the past, maybe I'll tag out early, but I'll

469
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 1: keep going with my brother or my friend or whatever,

470
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 1: my friends and she's just like, well you got you

471
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 1: got your elk, it's time to come home. I'm like, no,

472
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,239
Speaker 1: September only comes around so so on. Like, especially if

473
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 1: I've been at camp. You know, if I've been at

474
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 1: camp with friends or relatives or whatever, and I.

475
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 2: Got mine, you just said, it's it's it's bad.

476
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 1: It's it's bad to like say, well, I got my axe.

477
00:21:59,600 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 3: You later.

478
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:01,919
Speaker 1: But I mean you got to stick around camp. You know,

479
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: you got to help out those who help you, right,

480
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 1: That's for.

481
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 3: They need the master caller, like you behind there working them,

482
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 3: you know.

483
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: Right, right, But but then like, man, I just live

484
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 1: for that time in September woods, you know that, like

485
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 1: exactly what you said, you know, the time of year,

486
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: the airs clean and fresh, cool, crisp mornings and nice

487
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: warm afternoons, and the color change. You know, you start

488
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 1: the brush turn starts turning colors, and man, it's to me,

489
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: it's the best time to be in the woods of

490
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: the year, you know, in September. It's just so it's awesome.

491
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 1: The whole experience is awesome. And then these crazy elk

492
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,239
Speaker 1: with these swords on their heads walking around screaming and

493
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: trying to kill you or kill each other. We're not

494
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: really trying to kill you, but it almost feels like

495
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: it sometimes. But man, that's I love it. It's my favorite.

496
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: So what's what's probably the biggest mistake that you see

497
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: clients or maybe other hunters make when when nell hunting.

498
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,959
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of times they're scared to move. So

499
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 3: that's the number one problem I have, like, or what

500
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 3: I've witnessed, is you got a big bull working and

501
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 3: he's coming, You're scared to move. A lot of guys

502
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 3: like to stand in front of a tree and like

503
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 3: give themselves away. I'm the opposite, Like if I'm calling

504
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 3: for a buddy, I want to find like a little

505
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 3: pinon or a pine tree and put them right behind there.

506
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 3: And I'm back sixty yards working this bull, and I'm

507
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: watching which direction the bull's coming in. So if he's

508
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 3: trying to catch that bull, then I'll try to turn

509
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 3: him to come the other way. And so basically what

510
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 3: we want is that bull to come right past that

511
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 3: tree while the bull's getting ready to pop out. That's

512
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 3: when the hunter should draw before the bull even sees them,

513
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 3: and then you stop them right when they're at fifteen

514
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 3: yards broadside, you know. And that's a dynamite way that

515
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,719
Speaker 3: we get ninety percent of our elk. But like I said,

516
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 3: you have to be able to pivot too, Like if

517
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 3: you say, there's a guy calling in the back and

518
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 3: this bull's trying to go to opposite direction, if you're

519
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 3: behind that tree, you could pivot swing to the other

520
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 3: direction and I'll get back and work try to turn

521
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: them and come this way. But you don't have to

522
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 3: be afraid to move, you know, Like these alca used

523
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 3: to hear they want to hear noise. But the whole

524
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 3: thing is, when you have a caller back there, you

525
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 3: don't want to give your location up. You know, that's

526
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 3: all right. I'm a huge fan of having a hunter

527
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 3: behind a tree and having shooting lanes on both sides. Like,

528
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 3: obviously you've got to find a good setup where you

529
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: have a good window to your left or right. But sure,

530
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 3: being behind a tree and having a caller back there working, that's.

531
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 1: A deadly, deadly combo, you know, right, Yeah, I could

532
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: see where that would work really good. Do you ever

533
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 1: struggle with I know I've struggled with this one. I've

534
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 1: had someone I'm calling for let's say, bull comes in

535
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: but holds up and then kind of starts to leave,

536
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: and it's time to move up, right, we got we

537
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: gotta pursue right now, We got to set up again somehow,

538
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 1: and then trying to communicate with the shooter.

539
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: Come on, man, we got to move.

540
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: And sometimes the shooter is just like I'm set up

541
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,959
Speaker 1: really good, I don't want to move. It's like whenever

542
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: you said people don't like to move, I immediately kind

543
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: of thought about that. Like I've struggled that way time.

544
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 1: Sometimes getting that do it almost like a leap rog, like,

545
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna get where the shooter

546
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: was at. Now the shooter needs to go up and

547
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: set up in the next spot, you know, just to

548
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: try to work this angle a little bit more. You

549
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: ever ever have any issues with that or maybe maybe

550
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: you set up different or maybe you don't do that

551
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 1: leap rog thing.

552
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 3: No, we will if you, especially like if you have

553
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 3: a herd bowl with cows. A lot of times he's

554
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 3: not gonna come unless you you move on him a

555
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 3: lot of and what he what the big bull don't

556
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 3: like is when you're in his comfort zone. So we've

557
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 3: we've been set up where we're on the outskirts of

558
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 3: that herd moving and the hurd bulls pushing, and we

559
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 3: call him in a little ways and he cuts back

560
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 3: to the cow. So what I like to do, just

561
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 3: like you said, put some pressure on move, relocate, let

562
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: him move down a little ways and set up on

563
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: them again. You know. And a lot of times with

564
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 3: these hurt bulls, you got to get close to them.

565
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 3: You got to try to get around them and get

566
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: beat them into the into where they're going and set

567
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 3: up because a lot of big bulls will come charging

568
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: in if you're within one hundred yards, if you're if

569
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 3: you're further than one hundred yards, they're just gonna laugh

570
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 3: at you and keep moving those cows, you know. Yeah,

571
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 3: they're worried about a little satellite bull coming in and

572
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 3: trying to get in the hurt. So, like I say,

573
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: once you get close into a big herd like that

574
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 3: and you can put pressure on that hurd bull, you'll

575
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 3: you might even you'll kill them a lot of times, you.

576
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: Know, mm hmm. Yeah. I always say, like, man one

577
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: hundred yards or less, preferably less, man, if I can

578
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: like danger, get danger close, like I'm gonna probably get

579
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: picked off or almost. That's that's how close I want

580
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: to because I know if I'm inside that circle, that

581
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: bull is going to be more likely to come run

582
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 1: over there and want to want to fight exactly. Yeah.

583
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you a little story. I had a

584
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: couple of guys with me from back in New Jersey

585
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: where we're working this big bull and he we couldn't

586
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 3: get on him, and I watched where they went up

587
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 3: this draw and they bedded in the dark timber, and

588
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: it was early in the morning, so they didn't want

589
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: to go back to camp. So I was like, well,

590
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: do you guys want to go put some pressure on him?

591
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: And they're like, let's go. I said, all right, So

592
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 3: we had we wait for the good wind. We slipped

593
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: in there, and I could hear his cows mewing in there.

594
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 3: They were betted down, and I could smell them. We

595
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: were right in him. They were right over the hill

596
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: from us, probably fifty yards. And I get the phalps

597
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 3: tube out and I rip a growler and I hear wrong.

598
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: I told already, knock on, and I run back out

599
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 3: there and I'm cal calling back there. This bull jumps up,

600
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 3: leaves his cows, and he comes in looking for a fight.

601
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 3: He literally almost ran over the hundred at ten yards,

602
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 3: and the hunter was shaking so bad he couldn't.

603
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: Even draw his boat back.

604
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 3: He's like, oh my god, dude, that was like a

605
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 3: dinosaur coming at me, you know. But yeah, like I said,

606
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 3: you put pressure on a big, mature, hurt bull and

607
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 3: you get in there, press in their comfort zone, they're

608
00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 3: gonna come at you, you know.

609
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I love that. That's so so awesome. Do

610
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: you think those those big herd bulls when you get

611
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: them in a situation like that, you think, do you

612
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: think you're more likely to call in a big, mature

613
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: bull in that situation versus like, let's say a train

614
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: and a half year old bull or something that has cows.

615
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: Well, it's those satellite bulls, you know they are. They

616
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: come running in. They're teenagers looking for love, you know. Soyah,

617
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: but them hurt bulls. I don't call them in and

618
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 3: like unless we do, like we're saying, and we're close

619
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: and tight to them. Yeah, but like early season, this

620
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: is what another thing that people overlook. They want to

621
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: hunt peak rut all the time. You get after it

622
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: the first week of September, when those bulls are just

623
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: getting going. You might not think that they're looking for

624
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: cows yet, but they are. Once the bulls hardhorned, their

625
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: test aution levels turn up, and that's a good good

626
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: time to call bulls in, especially if you can pin

627
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: one down. I'll tell you what. They'll come in. Like,

628
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: there's been a lot of times early in the season

629
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 3: where you think there's not a bull coming in and

630
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 3: you're calling, and then you take one step in there

631
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 3: eas it takes off running, you know. But oh yeah,

632
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 3: that's a really good time to kill a big bulls

633
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 3: early in the season, you know.

634
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: M do you find more Do you find more luck

635
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: with a cow call or a bugle in that early season?

636
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not a I'm not a I like

637
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 3: I love to bugle. Like if you've been around a

638
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: lot of elk. Cows do not call like people do,

639
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 3: like when they're doing calling sequences and whatnot, Like when

640
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: cows are transitioning up a hill or something, they'll talk

641
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 3: to each other and they're in a park. But ninety

642
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,239
Speaker 3: percent of the time, cows are quiet, quite a lot

643
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 3: quieter than you think. And bulls are the ones that

644
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: are bugling. Like people say, oh, you bugle too much.

645
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, you've never been around a lot of herd elk.

646
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 3: Bulls scream all day long, you know, especially when the

647
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: rut's on. That's why I'm like, I've been around elk

648
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: where you just hear hundreds of bugles. I mean, yeah,

649
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 3: it's a private branch where I'm hearing them. But wolves

650
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 3: do not get scared of begles. I don't care who

651
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: says that, like, yeah, they like. I mean, if you're

652
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: on a four wheeler putting down the road and he

653
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: there's outcoup here and you jump off and you're bugling. Yeah,

654
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: they know what's up, they're gonna take off, but yeah,

655
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: you're back in the back country. I'm not afraid of bugle.

656
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: I love bugling actually, Like there's a lot of times

657
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 3: where I've tried cal callon one in and they hang

658
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 3: up and then I start chuckling and just ripping some

659
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: bugles and here they come running in. You know. But

660
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: I'm not a heavy, heavy cow caller. I like to

661
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: do a little bit of it, but I like to

662
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: make bulls sounds a lot more, you know.

663
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: M That's that's kind of how I am.

664
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: I will use cow calls like you say, but I'm

665
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: pretty heavy on the bugles, especially early season. I feel

666
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: like a lot of times in early season that they

667
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: don't pay any attention to that cow calls. It's like

668
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: they know, they know if there's a cow and heat around,

669
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: they've been sniffing around enough and they're just like or

670
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: maybe it's just like, yeah, there's no cows that are

671
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: hint heat quite yet, but but that bugle, like maybe

672
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: they're a little bit territorial or they're just like, hmm,

673
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come over here and see who that is.

674
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: I think they're still on that pecking order thing, like, hey,

675
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: I told you I was the boss around here. What

676
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: are you running your mouth for. I think there's some

677
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: of that, you know, pecking order stuff still going on.

678
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: That's awesome. What what do you think? Does it matter

679
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: how good your bugle sounds? If you sound really really

680
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: good or kind of crappy but still kind of like

681
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: an elk, Like what what matters most in that?

682
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: So let me tell you a story.

683
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: This is funny.

684
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: There was a guy I used to guide with that

685
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: he blew a little primo's bugle sounded like shit. But

686
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 3: I used to make fun of him a little bit

687
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: here and there. And one day we were we were

688
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: guiding on the same area and I heard him bugling.

689
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 3: I said, there he is. Well, when that primo's bugle again,

690
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: go around the corner and there was a bull standing there.

691
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 3: I said, oh shit, it wasn't him. It was a

692
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 3: real bull.

693
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: The sound that that.

694
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: He made actually sounded exactly like a bull. So there's

695
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: no perfect sounding elk like. I mean, yeah, the more

696
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: practice you have, you're better off, you know. But as

697
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: far as locating a bull and bugling, get after it bulls.

698
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: There's people there's bulls that don't sound like bulls like

699
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: we hear on TV. And like you know what I mean,

700
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 3: there's always some weird sounding alk out there. So as

701
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: long as you can get them to bugle, you know

702
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: where they're at and they'll answer a bugle. And you

703
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: don't have to be the best caller, you know. And

704
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: what's cool about your calls. You have the snap on

705
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: read now you don't even have to use a mouth read,

706
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: you know. So there's options for people out there that

707
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: can't call very good, you know. And then practice, practice

708
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: is all it takes, you know, just like anything else,

709
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: just put a little work into it. But yeah, like

710
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: I say, don't be scared to get after and bugle.

711
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: Like we've all been there and we're it's been a

712
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 3: long road for us to get good at what we're doing,

713
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: you know. And but as far as the way elk sound, yeah,

714
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: there's some that sound sound badds. So that's our answer there.

715
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think I think if it's an elk,

716
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: if if your bugle sounds like an elk, it may

717
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: not be some perfect like sound like some dude on

718
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: TV or whatever, like exactly what you said. It's okay,

719
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: Like I always like compare to my brother, Like my

720
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: brother when we first started bohunt together.

721
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: Then he sounded I hope he's listening.

722
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: I'd probably my of the best on this all the time,

723
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: and I've probably said it on this podcast before.

724
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: Man, he sounded terrible. It was like the most god

725
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: awful sound of bugle.

726
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: But but he did it with such like such I

727
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: don't know attitude that man. It would piss off balls

728
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: and they would come in like like they wouldn't hang up,

729
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: they would just come right in. I think they thought, like,

730
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: I am going to go beat up that weirdo over there,

731
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: that that guy needs to shut his mouth. I'm gonna

732
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: go kill him. I don't know, but I think it's

733
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: important to like you're you're out. Your bugle has to

734
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: sound like an elk. It can't sound like you know,

735
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's some I've heard some stuff it's

736
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: like that that doesn't sound anything like an elk.

737
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: Stop making that noise. But if it sounds like an

738
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: elk and you can.

739
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: Put as much attitude with it or emotion into the calls,

740
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: that's what's super important. You know, people talk a lot

741
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: of shit about you know, the old terminator tube or whatever.

742
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: But man, that thing worked good if you could work it,

743
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: if you could like put some emotion into it. And

744
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, of course, I'm not trying to give Primos

745
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: a shout out. I mean, you know, well we'll Primos.

746
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: He's he's probably one of the most iconic ELK calling

747
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: people in the world. But I'm not trying to give

748
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: those guys a shout out at all, of course. But

749
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: but the point is is, like, man, just whatever you're

750
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: use in. You know, I'd love you to use my calls,

751
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: but whatever you're use and make sure it's got emotion

752
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: and you're you're acting like an ELK. You act like

753
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: an ELK, you call like an ELK. Do what ELK do.

754
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: Don't do what hunters do. You know, Yeah, like tack

755
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: it out the window of your truck and bugle exactly.

756
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 3: So get on YouTube like all these young guys getting

757
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 3: after it. Listen to real alk biggling and cals talking,

758
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 3: and don't worry about hearing the real championship competition. You

759
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 3: listen to real ELK and you try to mimic them,

760
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: you know, and learn from them. I mean, Yeah, there's

761
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: great callers that are doing sequences on on on TV

762
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: and all that, and you know, social media, but listening

763
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: to real elk is the whole key, you know, learning

764
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 3: how they sound and what they do. And there's a

765
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 3: lot of YouTube videos of just people filming the herd

766
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 3: alk out in the field, and you could try to

767
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: mimic them, you know, and but there's a lot of

768
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: ways to.

769
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: Learn, you know. Yeah, yeah, there's a on Instagram. There's

770
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: a channel called Good Bowl Outdoors. They're in Estes Park, Colorado.

771
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and with that.

772
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: Too, yeah, that they have so many cool videos and

773
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: a lot it's crazy you obviously, these giant bulls stand

774
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: outside eating people's flowers and their flower beds, but they

775
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: do have a lot of like good videos to just

776
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: elk vocalization running around and and and then the cow

777
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: calls and hearing them and be like, you think I'm

778
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: pretty good with a cow call, and you start hearing

779
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: those real elk and you're like, yeah.

780
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 2: It don't sounds a little different.

781
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: That don't really sound exactly right. Yeah, same with the bulls,

782
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: you know, and but but yeah, to your exactly to

783
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: your point, listen to elk, try to mimic what the

784
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: elk are doing. I like to tell people to sit,

785
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: you know, watch a watch a YouTube video. Maybe send

786
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: the missus to the spa. If she's not real keen

787
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: on your elk, call and send her and to get

788
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: a manny petty or something. And you hang out on

789
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: the couch and watch these hunt and videos with the kids.

790
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: And every time the bowl bugles.

791
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: Mimic, you know, sit there and try to mimic exactly

792
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: what that bull is just trying. You're just working on

793
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: trying to sound like an elk.

794
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 3: Same with the calcul right, yep, just.

795
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: Just sit there and work on it and it will

796
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: it will do wonders. Don't try to. I mean, it's

797
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: okay to like listen to your favorite YouTubers to tell

798
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: you how to you know, use it an alcohol, but

799
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: but for real practice. Once you kind of okay, I

800
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: know how to make a bugle now, now like listen

801
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: to real elp and practice that. And that's that's super smart.

802
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 3: Yeah. Another thing too, when you're calling and you're back

803
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: there calling for your buddy or whatever, when a bull's

804
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 3: coming in, he wants to hear noise. So that's what

805
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: my I recommend people that are back there calling for

806
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: their buddies. Put put your get a stick and beat

807
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 3: some oak brush up and throw some rocks and bounce

808
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: them off other rocks and snap a branch. Like they

809
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: don't like if you just keep calling back there. They

810
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 3: know something's up when they don't hear movement and noise,

811
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: you know. Like, let me tell you a story. A

812
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: couple of years ago I had we were above timberline

813
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: and a buddy of mine and I were I'm sitting

814
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: there and bull uh. I bugled and he answered me

815
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: way up on top of the ridge and I could

816
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: hear him bugle and coming down, and finally he made

817
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 3: it to us. And when's good. I get back there

818
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: calling that bull's coming in and I have him set

819
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: up behind a tree, and the bull's coming down. He's

820
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: behind the tree. He draws back and the bullet didn't

821
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 3: come out. I was like, oh shit, And I could

822
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: see him up there. I got one rock. I laid

823
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: him on the ground and I threw a rock in

824
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 3: like the strike pick bed and he heard that rock bounce.

825
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: It's all it took. Here comes around the tree, shot

826
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: him at five yards and he.

827
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: Got a big bull.

828
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 3: You know it was awesome, dude, but that rock is

829
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: what killed him. Like he wanted to hear something, and

830
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 3: he heard that rock. Thought some cowser back there in

831
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: a bull, and here he comes, dead bull.

832
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I had a similar situation

833
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: several years ago in Wyoming. We'd been bugling this bowl

834
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: all morning and it was in a burn It was

835
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: pretty open, and of course you know how it isn't

836
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: a burner, and open countries meant, man, they can stand

837
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: out there one hundred yards and like, I don't see

838
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: any elk. So we bueled this thing and he kind

839
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: of lost interest and kind of walked up back over

840
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: the ridge. So we hustled up there and set up again,

841
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: and I was going to try to kind of circle

842
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: around and parallel and get him to kind of pull

843
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: across in front of my buddies. And I was going

844
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: over this big windfall. I had a ton of these

845
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: dead limbs on it, and being that I'm such a klutz,

846
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm kind of clumsy, I trip and fall and crash

847
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: into those broken lambs. Just make this the most It's

848
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: not like I heard elephants making crashing through this stuff.

849
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, And man, when he heard that,

850
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: that thing turned around and screamed and came running straight

851
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: in and my buddy shot him at like thirty yards frontal.

852
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: So awesome, but man, my shins were all bloody and like, well,

853
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: I risk my life and limb here and a bowl.

854
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: You're welcome. But yeah, that I think sometimes, especially like

855
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: East Coast folks come out they used to hunt white tails,

856
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, white tail. The white tail game is completely different.

857
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: Everything that elk hunting is is definitely everything that white

858
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: tail hunting isn't, And they come out with the mindset like, man,

859
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: I need to be super quiet and like stealthy and

860
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: sneak and like Elmer Fudd type stuff. And it's one

861
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: hundred percent not that it's like I'm the least annoy

862
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm the least that person. Ever when I'm elk haying,

863
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm I try to make extra noise. A lot of

864
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: times I'm like, as I'm walking through, I'm trying to

865
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: like stomp on dead branches and stuff just to try

866
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: to make like thirty yards in front of Yeah, but

867
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: run around, run around in circles and stuff, throwing.

868
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 3: Rocks, alkhor noisy animals. If you're by a herd and

869
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 3: you hear them. That's amazing the noise they make, you know.

870
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, like people, people need to make

871
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 3: some racket back there when they're calling. And also another

872
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: thing like what I've noticed too with these big bulls,

873
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 3: they're always trying to circle you, you know, so you've

874
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 3: got to always make sure you get good winds set up.

875
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 3: Like I wonn't even work a big bull if I

876
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: know that the wind's kind of shifty, you know, I'd

877
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 3: rather wait and go set up on them again then

878
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: go blow them out of there, you know. So I

879
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: wait till I get a good thermal blowing hard, you know.

880
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: But I always try to use the wind. That's the

881
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 3: number one key which people. I mean, yeah, you could

882
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 3: be the best beagler in the world, but with that

883
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: wolve's coming in and he wins you, it's over, you know.

884
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: M hm. Yeah.

885
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: And it's amazing than those they have too, you know.

886
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 2: Oh, I think people underestimate it.

887
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: I just from anecdotal experiences I've had with other hunters

888
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: in the woods and with other folks sharing their hunts

889
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: telling me about them. Have another hunters come in and

890
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: follow it up with the wind they'll come in and

891
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: they will have zero regard for the wind or I

892
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: wonder too, like if they think, oh, well, the elk

893
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: is pretty far away, he can't smell from me from

894
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: that distance. I think people really underestimate how far and

895
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: elk can smell you, and how the scent travels and

896
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 1: the wind pattern travels. Man, if exactly what you said,

897
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: if I if I can't, I'm especially archery hunting. Man.

898
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: If I'm the wind's a little bit wishy washy, I'm

899
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: gonna wait. I'm just gonna sit down and wait. I'm

900
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait an hour for the winds to stabilized.

901
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: But then once they do, I'm in right, I'm going

902
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: to go right in. Yep. But but that's that's something

903
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: that will definitely detract your side, rail, your your your

904
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: your hunt for sure. Yep.

905
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 3: When an eyesight too, like you said, they pinpoint you.

906
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: I've some bulls in where I've even quit calling, and

907
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 3: they can They could pinpoint you from two hundred yards

908
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 3: away and come right to where you're calling. You know.

909
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 3: It's like they have radar sensor, you know, And like

910
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 3: you said, they want to see something when they come in.

911
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 3: That's why like when I set up on bulls, I

912
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 3: always want to like have a tree as my pivot

913
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: point for a hundred or I like to set up

914
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 3: like around a bend or over the back of a hill,

915
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: so they have to come looking. Like if you set

916
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 3: up like that where they have to come looking, that's

917
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 3: when you get those close encounters, you know, those close shots,

918
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: like you like a lot of guys will set up

919
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: in open pines, put it and then there's a hunter

920
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 3: in front of a tree calling and that bull's coming

921
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 3: and they tried drawing on them. They're busted. You know,

922
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,479
Speaker 3: they're like like I'm seeing to hide. I'm just saying

923
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: to use a tree as your little pivot point and

924
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 3: it works fantastic. Like if that's with the caller, obviously,

925
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: Like but if you're by yourself, obviously you're gonna have

926
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: to make it happen sometimes. And you're a lot of

927
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: times you're gonna get frintal shots when you're calling by yourself.

928
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 3: So and I'm not afraid to take a s frintal

929
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: shot if it's twenty yards and in, but uh, nine

930
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 3: times out of ten, you know, when you're by yourself calling,

931
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 3: it's they always stop at twenty staring at you with

932
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 3: their chest sticking at you know, so I should practice

933
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: that shot. It's actually an ethical shot. People say, oh no,

934
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 3: don't take a bullet people in the chest. I'm like,

935
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 3: have you ever shot one in the chest? They go

936
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: down in like seconds? You know, as long as you

937
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: you're confident and you know where to put that arrow there,

938
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 3: they're they're a it's a great shot.

939
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: I think in my opinion, you know, yeah, yeah, it's

940
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: a deadly shot. I agree. I think the biggest thing though,

941
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: I think people really have to be honest with themselves

942
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: and know, like like you you know your abilities. You

943
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: you're honest with yourself, you know your abilities. You know

944
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: you can make the shot, this whatever shot. But some

945
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: people will stretch, will just stretch it. Be like, man,

946
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: this is the first time I've been in front of

947
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: an elk after seven days of hunting, and I don't

948
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: know if I can make this. I don't know. I'm

949
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm kind of losing my crap right now. And in

950
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: those moments, I think it's really tough to make that shot.

951
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: But but if you if you are, if you're one

952
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: hundred percent confident in your shot and stuff, and especially

953
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: if you're watching the elk demeanor like you and I, Right,

954
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: we've seen enough elk walk in. You can see their

955
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: demeanor on their on their face. They come in, they're relaxed.

956
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: Chances of them like dodging the arrow and catching it

957
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: in the shoulder or something weird. You know, yeah, we

958
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: can kind of read that a little bit.

959
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 3: But that's where they Yeah, well, you know, elk can

960
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 3: drop like a white tail man.

961
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 1: Oh it's crazy.

962
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: We've had stuff on film where you're doing in slow

963
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 3: mo and they'll drop a foot you know. Oh, like

964
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 3: you obviously got to know the situation and if it's

965
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: but that's what experience is going to do for you.

966
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not telling the like an out hunter

967
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: that's never done it to do it. But if you're

968
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: confident in it, then fine, go for it, send it,

969
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: you know.

970
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I think things that build confidence, you know,

971
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: is here's one thing, like if you don't ever shoot

972
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: around people and with people watching you, that can be

973
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: really intimidating. Right, So if you're always just shooting your

974
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: backyard by yourself, and you always wait till it's nice

975
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: and quiet and you have a perfect you need to

976
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: go to the local archery range or somewhere where there's

977
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: people and there's talking and there's people like like especially

978
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: like like like winter league and stuff where you have

979
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: to line up on a line and there's a guy

980
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: like eight inches ten inches away from you. You're like

981
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: you're almost touching each other as you all line up

982
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: and shoot your bows.

983
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

984
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: Man, that's intimidating. That's that's hard to like focus. But

985
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: putting yourself in those in those uncomfort couple situations, I

986
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: think it makes all the difference in the world to

987
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: make to be able to make those kind of shots.

988
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 1: You bet.

989
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 3: Man. That's like where I live out in this country.

990
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 3: Once in a while, semill like do the jake break

991
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: or whatever, right when I'm getting ready to punch them, Okay,

992
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 3: just don't ignore them, and then then I just wait

993
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 3: for him to pass hold it and then But yeah,

994
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: it's good to have stuff like that happening. So yeah,

995
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: because we were saying though, that's that's a lot of

996
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 3: strategies that'll be a helpful tool. But now, if you're

997
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 3: gonna be on public land where there's pressure here, the

998
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: whole key to that is to be in the most

999
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: fantastic shape of your life and be able to get

1000
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: into the deep back country because if you don't, you're

1001
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 3: not going to kill them five yards or five You

1002
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 3: might have to go ten miles in there, you know.

1003
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: But you've got to find bulls that haven't been pushed

1004
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 3: too hard, and those young boys that want to kill them,

1005
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 3: that's for them. Like I've done, I've done a few.

1006
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go put some miles on this this U

1007
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 3: this month. But I mean, you get into that back country,

1008
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: into those basins where there's no pressure and alkak like

1009
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: alfback there, like where you're at, but Olcunt, you got

1010
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 3: to be in prime shape, you know. It's it's tough

1011
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: back there, you know.

1012
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you just have to know just getting

1013
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: to where you could actually shoot one that that's one thing.

1014
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: And then once you kill one there getting it out,

1015
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: yeah that you have to be in really good shape

1016
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 1: for that. And actually and mental tough Like I've seen

1017
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: some people who are really good shape before but have

1018
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: zero mental toughness to where they're just like they've like

1019
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: they're way better shape than me, but they just couldn't

1020
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: they couldn't hack it. You know, they'd had whatever, you know,

1021
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: between their ears, like and I always say people, people

1022
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: are always capable for like long before long after your

1023
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: mind gives up, your body will go for you. A

1024
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: lot of people's mind gives up about halfway to what

1025
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: they're actually capable of.

1026
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: Yep. And a good pair of walking sticks, man, hiking sticks,

1027
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 3: that's the key too. You get an elk on the

1028
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: ground and you have a heavy load. Those are key, man.

1029
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: I never used to use those when I was younger.

1030
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: Now I won't go in the back country without.

1031
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: You know, oh yeah. I used to make fund of

1032
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: people's like, oh, you're not hippie, some kind of hippy hunter.

1033
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: And I then I started using them, and it's like, dude,

1034
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: this is like four wheel drive.

1035
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you extra legs on you.

1036
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: You know, you can really get after it, especially a

1037
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: crossing windfalls and stuff. You got you got a big

1038
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: load of meat on your back going over wind falls.

1039
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: It's nice to have that extra stability. Like man, it

1040
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: it can be pretty touch and go, and especially some

1041
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: of those windfalls. You don't want to fall on the

1042
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: windfall and ran one of them them stobs into your

1043
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: hind end. I mean that that's going to take you out.

1044
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: You're not You're gonna be done packing meat yep.

1045
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 3: And like you said, it's it's an all day trip

1046
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 3: sometimes packing them out. You know, it's a lot of work.

1047
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1048
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: So back on setups, how far between you and your

1049
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: hunter are you? What kind of space are you put there?

1050
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: Are you guys, thirty yards, fifty yards, one hundred yards.

1051
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 3: It's usually just depends on where we're set up at

1052
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 3: the moment, but typically I like to be about sixty

1053
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 3: to seventy back calling, And like I was telling you,

1054
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 3: I like to be I like to set up where

1055
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 3: that bull can't see where I'm calling. Like I said,

1056
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 3: I like to always find like a big pile of

1057
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 3: brush or some thick trees, and that's where I'm calling,

1058
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 3: So he has to pass that hunter up to and

1059
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 3: get to me to see what's back there, you know.

1060
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 3: And I like to, like I was saying, set up

1061
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 3: in a spot where, yeah, I can scrape some brush

1062
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 3: with a stick or log or something through rocks and

1063
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 3: he can't see me. So that's the whole key, Bulls,

1064
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 3: I always want to see what's calling back there. So

1065
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 3: if you can learn how to set up where you're

1066
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 3: you have a lot of cover. The caller has a

1067
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 3: lot of cover and you can make some noise back there.

1068
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 3: That's always key, you know, yeah.

1069
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I always say that you have to set

1070
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: up to where the bull has to come close to

1071
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: ever be able to see lay eyes on you exactly right,

1072
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: whether you're solo or whether you have a shooter out

1073
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: in front. And then you want your shooter to like,

1074
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: you know, be quiet and don't make any calls. Let

1075
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: the bulls come by unaware.

1076
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah you're out and see if you're in some ponderosas

1077
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 3: in it's wide open country, he's gonna look. He's gonna

1078
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: come in from two hundred yards away and just stare

1079
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 3: at you and you don't see nothing. He's just gonna

1080
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 3: stop there. You've we've all seen what it they'll do.

1081
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 3: They'll stop there, stand there for ten minutes, and then

1082
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 3: they turn around. They're gone, you.

1083
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: Know, yep, yeah, I see it on YouTube.

1084
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: A lot. People will will get pinned down out in

1085
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: the open and they'll be like hunkered down and the

1086
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: bull is and there's they can see for a long way,

1087
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: and the bull will be like locked in right on

1088
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: where their calls are coming from.

1089
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 2: But they'll continue.

1090
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: They'll sit there with the bulls staring at their location

1091
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: and with them hidden behind it on the ground or

1092
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: behind a bush or whatever, and they'll be just like

1093
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: and they'll keep continue to call and bugle and stuff. Man,

1094
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: don't do that. That freaks Elk out. They're like, yeah,

1095
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: there's no Elk here this, I'm out of here. People

1096
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: wonder why they get call shy. It's like, man, you

1097
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: have to do ELK do that. No, ELK, don't do that.

1098
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: They don't hide from each other and call. Now, they

1099
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: might put some barriers between each other, like some thick

1100
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: timber or brush or whatever. Yeah, that's what that's what

1101
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: you want to do. You don't want to get pinned

1102
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: down out and they open. If I get pinned down out,

1103
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: they open and like oh trap here comes ELK.

1104
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 2: I shut up. I just cut all the calls.

1105
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 3: You don't. You don't want them to know where you're at.

1106
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 3: You know that's the whole key. But like you said, man,

1107
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 3: they're amazing animals. Like people are like, oh that bull

1108
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 3: came running in. That don't happen all the time. Like no,

1109
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 3: I mean, you get the right situation where or you're

1110
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 3: in like a little rut. Yeah, you'll get some different

1111
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 3: bulls coming charging in, But a lot of times they're

1112
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 3: coming in cautious looking, and like you said, don't set

1113
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 3: up in the wide open man, where they're going to see.

1114
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 4: You know.

1115
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, how uh do you tell your your your hunters?

1116
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: You tell them like how far proficiency do you want

1117
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: them to be with their bow when they come hunt

1118
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: with you? You tell him you're practice, hey, guys, and

1119
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: you guys need to be practicing now to X.

1120
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 3: Distance well forty yards. I don't like to let him

1121
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 3: send it past forty you know. But that's why we

1122
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 3: want to call him right to us, you know, get

1123
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: him and get those twenty yard shots. So yeah, like

1124
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 3: I was telling you that, that's set up. I use

1125
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 3: with a tree where they're behind a tree, and I

1126
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 3: have lanes on bull sides. Those bulls walk right past

1127
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 3: that tree. And what's cool about that, like I'm telling you,

1128
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 3: is they could see the bull coming. They have the

1129
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 3: tree as a like a shield. I call it the shield.

1130
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 3: So when the bull's coming around, they can draw without

1131
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 3: getting busted. And all they got to do is just

1132
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 3: pivot with the bull once he steps out done. You know.

1133
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 3: But like I said, you've got to build a swivel

1134
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 3: either way because you never know what way he's going

1135
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 3: to come. So sure that's up to the hunter to

1136
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 3: beuible to know how to adjust in situations too, you know. Yeah,

1137
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 3: And then I'm back there calling. Like I said, I'm

1138
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 3: not sticking in the wide open. I'm always trying to

1139
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 3: find a spot where that bull's going to pass up

1140
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 3: that hunter and say, okay, he's around that little hump

1141
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 3: right there, I'm coming through here. You know. So setups

1142
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 3: are key, Like if you don't have a good setup,

1143
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 3: don't work that bowl. Wait a little while, we'll drift

1144
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 3: off and then go set up again. You know, people

1145
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 3: will try to force a setup and nine times out

1146
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 3: of ten it' it'll work, And like you said, you're

1147
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 3: just gonna get busted and educated, educate him and it's over.

1148
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: You know, yes, I agree with that one hundred percent.

1149
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: I think that that right there, that's that's gold right there.

1150
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes you get so wrapped up like we have to

1151
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: call in this bowl right here, right now, But it's

1152
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: not ideal.

1153
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: It's a terrible it's a terrible spot. You see, you

1154
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 2: see guys.

1155
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: Trying to call stuff in, or you hear guys tell

1156
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 1: you about like they might be like in the Missouri

1157
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: River breaks at Montana, they're like, oh, you can't call

1158
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: in elk there. Well, yeah, if it's out in the

1159
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: middle of a big white, open flat and there's nothing

1160
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: in between you, yeah, you're not gonna call that elk in.

1161
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 2: But wait till he.

1162
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: Moves into the into the bottoms or moves into that

1163
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: broken stuff to where you can get close just on

1164
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: the other side of a ridge or behind an opinion

1165
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: or or whatever. Now it makes sense to get close

1166
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: and then call to where now they're going to have

1167
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 1: to come close to ever see you. Yeah, yeah, that's

1168
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: I think that's a huge takeaway is just because you

1169
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: have to have a bull bugling doesn't mean you need

1170
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: to call him in right now. Let him fade off,

1171
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 1: move into some into an area that's better for the setup,

1172
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: then start, then call him in. Yeah, that's that's awesome.

1173
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 2: Well, tell me.

1174
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: If you could give one the biggest piece of advice

1175
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: to a new hunter it's going to do DIY or

1176
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: a guided hunt. What's the single best piece of advice

1177
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: you could could give them.

1178
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 3: Well, always having a buddy calling for you one of

1179
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 3: the best tools you could have. Obviously, when you're calling

1180
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 3: by yourself, you're gonna get pinpointed nine times then ten.

1181
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 3: So if you're going to be by yourself calling, be

1182
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 3: prepared for those frontal shots. And I'm not saying to

1183
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 3: take them, like if they're forty or fifty, but if

1184
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 3: they're right up to your toes at fifteen yards or

1185
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 3: send it, you know, but be at full draw and

1186
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 3: be ready before they get there, because you're not. Nine

1187
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 3: times out of ten, that bull is not going to

1188
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 3: come broadside by you when you're by yourself calling, So

1189
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 3: be prepared for that situation because we all know they

1190
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 3: always come in frontals when you're by yourself. So that's

1191
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 3: one thing for you when you're by yourself, when you're

1192
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 3: with your buddy, Like I was saying, use that tree

1193
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 3: as your little shield. I call it the shield where

1194
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 3: you can get your pivot point, you know. And like

1195
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 3: when that bull's coming up, draw back. Don't be afraid

1196
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 3: to draw back, even if you don't he's not the

1197
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,720
Speaker 3: bull you want to kill, but draw your bow, pivot

1198
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 3: with him, and if he's not what you want, let down,

1199
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 3: you know. Like, but if a lot of a lot

1200
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 3: of guys are scared to draw their bow, and that's

1201
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 3: what puts you under. They wait till they wait till

1202
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 3: the wrong time to draw, and they get busted. So

1203
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 3: you want to always draw and pivot with the with

1204
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 3: the bull, and when he's in shooting distance, that's when

1205
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 3: you seal the deal, you know. Mm hmm yeah, yeah,

1206
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 3: be prepared to Like I said, if you're by yourself,

1207
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 3: you've got to be able to take those frontal shots

1208
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 3: because it's going to happen. And when you're with your

1209
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 3: buddy though, like I said, use that shield and that's

1210
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 3: gonna be game changer. And always, always, always set up

1211
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,439
Speaker 3: is nine. Is the key to killing a good bull

1212
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 3: is having proper setups and not letting that bull know

1213
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 3: where you're at, you know, like you always want to

1214
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 3: make him come looking, dude, don't want to let him

1215
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 3: look down a lane and say, oh, there's nothing there,

1216
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 3: bye bye. So I always remember that, like we were saying,

1217
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 3: just get around and wait till it's the right time

1218
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 3: to set up, and you're gonna have a lot of

1219
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 3: good luck, you know.

1220
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: Man, I love all that advice. That's awesome. Well thanks

1221
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: for coming on, man. Where can people find you on

1222
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 1: socials and stuff?

1223
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 3: Well, we're we have my wife and I have a

1224
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 3: page called S and G Outdoors could fall us on

1225
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1226
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,839
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1227
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 3: So okay, we're going to be doing a lot of

1228
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 3: hunts with them on TV, so you can find us there.

1229
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,399
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1230
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Speaker 3: packed hunts coming up, so keep keep us up on

1231
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Speaker 3: the loop there and if you have any questions, just

1232
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 3: let us know. We'll answer you and help you all

1233
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 3: we can.

1234
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Speaker 1: You know, that's awesome. I can't wait to see your success,

1235
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: you and your your your wife and your clients. I

1236
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,600
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1237
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: see the pictures and the little video clips and stuff

1238
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:20,479
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1239
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 2: So I appreciate it.

1240
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah, man, thanks for coming on, and uh,

1241
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: we'll have to get you on again someday for everybody else,

1242
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: we'll catch you on the next one.

1243
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Speaker 4: Thanks.

1244
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Speaker 1: H