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Every Tuesday, 40 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: I'll choose a few questions and answer them at random. 41 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 2: Lady, Today, we have an incredible guest who can help 42 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: us all get our lives in the midst of the 43 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: uncertainty going on in the world right now. Jennifer Hammock 44 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: or Jen, is a successful entrepreneur, award winning servant, leader, 45 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: empowerment coach, author, and highly sought after speaker with a 46 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: sincere heart to uplift women. In March twenty eighteen, she 47 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 2: launched dream Chaser Academy, a consulting agency that provides coaching 48 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: services for aspiring entrepreneurs, authors, and passionate people seeking to 49 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: launch their dreams. She received her Bachelor of Science from 50 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: California State University, Fresno, where she became a proud member 51 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Incorporated. In addition to being 52 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: a wife and mother, Jen serves as the women's director 53 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: of New Life Community Church alongside her husband, founder and 54 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 2: lead pastor, Daryl Hammock. Jen, Welcome to her space. Oh 55 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: my gosh, I am in the space. Thank you, Thank you, Dom, 56 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: thank you, Terry. I'm so excited, honored to be in 57 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: this space with you guys. Thank you so much. 58 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: Oh oh, excited to have you. And we are looking 59 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: forward to the content that yes and all the gems 60 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: that you are going to drop on us today. So 61 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: we are going to get started with our quote of 62 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: the day, Step out of the history that is holding 63 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: you back, step into the new story you are willing 64 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: to create. And that comes to us from Oprah Winfrey 65 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: the Goat. Yes, yes, nijen. When you hear that quote. 66 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: For me, when I hear it, I think, Okay, there's 67 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: some things that have been happening in my past, there 68 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: are things that might be happening in my present, but. 69 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 4: It's time for. 70 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: Me to write a new story. And thinking about or 71 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: looking at you launching Dream Chaser Academy in March twenty eighteen, 72 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: that's you writing a new story. So can you talk 73 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: to us about what led to you writing this new story. 74 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question. 75 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: And the quote is beautifully ridden and state it because 76 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 3: that is a step that we all have to take 77 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: if we want to reach our destiny. And I always 78 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 3: have something that I say that you know, destiny leaves 79 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: clues and along the way we if we take inventory, 80 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 3: that is, we can put all those different pieces together 81 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: so we can be able to do exactly what God 82 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 3: has called us to do. 83 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 4: So how I did. 84 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 3: That was it was actually a funny story. I was 85 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: at a women's retreat, women's retreat that we were actually 86 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 3: hosting from the church, and like literally that weekend I 87 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 3: had like three different women come up to me Andy, like. 88 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 4: Lady Jane, you should be a coach. Lady Jane, you 89 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 4: should be a coach. Lady jan you should be a coach. 90 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 3: And I'm one of those persons I don't necessarily seek confirmation, 91 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 3: but when I see a series of like familiar things happening, 92 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 3: I definitely pay attention to it. And so I was like, hmmm, 93 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 3: a coach, Like I wasn't never trying to do that, 94 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: but I always think of the important for women to 95 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: understand that where you started is not where you have 96 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 3: to finish, and being willing to open yourself into something 97 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: new and leaving history behind doesn't necessarily mean that you're 98 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 3: leaving bad things or good things behind it. It just 99 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,239 Speaker 3: means that you're shifting and you're pivoting to something different. 100 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 3: So for me, it was first just hearing all those 101 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 3: different cues from different people saying like the same thing. 102 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 3: And then I did an inventory or what are like 103 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: the top things that people keep on asking me about? 104 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 3: And so for me, people keept on asking me about 105 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 3: how do you start a business? I have an idea 106 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 3: I have this dream, dream, dream dream. I'm like, you 107 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 3: know what, I have a feeling that maybe God is 108 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 3: just calling me to help other women manifest their dreams. 109 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 3: And so for me, that was how I stepped out 110 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: of my history to do some different because my history 111 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 3: was all event planning. I I have my CMP certification. 112 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: I used to be a wedding planner. So I think 113 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 3: it is definitely hard sometimes to let go what is 114 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 3: familiar because you don't know if the new thing is 115 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 3: going to work. But I always tell people failure is 116 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 3: not necessarily failure. 117 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 4: You can learn from your losses. 118 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: You can learn from the things that didn't go right, 119 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 3: and at least you have no regret at the end 120 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 3: of the day. So for me, that's how I let 121 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: go of history and kind of move forward to be 122 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: able to start Dream Chaser Academy. 123 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: Wow, you already preaching and we're like six minutes too. 124 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 5: I love it. 125 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: I always just like, yes, I'm feeling it. Oh the spirit, 126 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: I got it. Okay, So Jen, when okay, you do 127 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: so much? All right? 128 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 4: I thought I did a lot, right, Jen? 129 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: You are a mother, a wife, lady Jen right running 130 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: the women's ministry at the church. 131 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 4: You're an author, you do so much? 132 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: Can you talk about your perspective on like do you 133 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: do all the things? Like can you just talk about 134 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: your perspective on managing the things that you do? And 135 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: then we're going to get into the work life balance, 136 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: But first, how do you manage yourself because. 137 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 4: You do a lot? 138 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I read this book and I actually didn't 139 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 3: even mention and plan on mentioning it, but it just 140 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: came up to me right now. It's called the Emotionally 141 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: Healthy Woman or the spiritually emotionally Healthy Woman, and it 142 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 3: talked about eight different things that you need to quit 143 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: as a woman if you're going to be successful. And 144 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 3: one of the things was overfunctioning, Like you have to 145 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 3: quit overfunctioning if you're going to be emotionally healthy. And 146 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: so for me, I had to be able to be 147 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 3: able to do all those things that you just mentioned, 148 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: I had to quit some things. 149 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 4: I had to stop overfunctioning show. 150 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 3: Honestly, although I love my beloved sorority, Alpha Kappa Alpha 151 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 3: Sorority Incorporated, shout out to on my sores, like I 152 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 3: had to take back my membership. 153 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 4: I'm like, you know what, I. 154 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: Can't be active this year because I can't do this 155 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 3: and I can't do that. So for me, I had 156 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: to kind of compartmentalize my life a little bit and 157 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 3: then prioritize and see what was most important. 158 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 4: So that was the first thing that I had to do. 159 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 3: I just had to stop doing a whole bunch of stuff, 160 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: and then the other thing. And I always encourage women 161 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 3: with this, Like people read the bio. People see all 162 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: of what I do. But I will clearly and honestly 163 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: tell everybody I don't do all of those things at 164 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 3: the same time. 165 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 4: Yes, this is. 166 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: A resume that I built over the years, but I 167 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 3: don't do all those things at the same time. And 168 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: so when you say author, I wrote that book almost 169 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 3: three years ago, you know that was in a totally 170 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 3: different season when I had less kids than what I. 171 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 4: Have right now, you know, being a first lady. 172 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 3: So I should actually also like bucket my days. So 173 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 3: I'll give the ministry Monday, Friday, and Sunday. So church, 174 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 3: that's what y'all get from me. Monday, I'm sorry, Monday, 175 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 3: Friday and Sunday. 176 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 4: That's all I got for y'all. 177 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: Okay, So I use calendar ly and I literally schedule 178 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 3: if people want to make appointment. 179 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 4: It got to be on one of those days. 180 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 3: So I'm being very rigid, but it's the only way 181 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: that I can fit everything in because I have to 182 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 3: be a mom twenty four to seven. I have to 183 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 3: be a wife twenty four to seven, you know. So 184 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 3: those are the things that are obviously priority, and I 185 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 3: try to compartmentalize my days in that way. Same thing 186 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 3: coaching clients. I'm only meeting with coaching clients on Wednesdays. 187 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 3: Wednesdays is the day that I usually work with coaching clients. 188 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 3: Tuesdays are usually like my sales and creative content creating 189 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 3: day and that kind of thing. So how I'm able 190 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 3: to do all those things is that I don't do 191 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 3: them all at once. I prioritize which one is most 192 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 3: important at the right season. 193 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 4: And then I build from there. 194 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 3: And another part of that, I think is just communicating 195 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 3: with you know, your spouse, your partner where you are 196 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 3: so they can support you in that. So if my 197 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 3: husband no is writing season right, I'm about to write 198 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 3: this book. So that means like, I need you to 199 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 3: handle dinner, okay, because from seven to ten I'm gonna 200 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 3: be writing, So I'm gonna need you have the kids 201 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: and handle dinner, so I can block out this time 202 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 3: for writing. So I think for me, that's how I 203 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 3: was able to accomplish those different things. 204 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: And so when I hear that, so I love structure 205 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: and being really rigid with my time has been helpful 206 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: for me. But then but at times I find myself 207 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: struggling with that. 208 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 5: Right. 209 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: So you said, like you gave the example of from 210 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:42,599 Speaker 1: seven to ten PM that might be your writing time. Realistically, 211 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: how often are you truly able to stick to that 212 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: seven to ten writing time? 213 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 3: And I'm gonna bounce that back and say, when you 214 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 3: have a full time job, how committed are you to 215 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 3: working only from nine to five? Because when five o'clock hits, 216 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: you out of there and you know you need to 217 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: be there at nine o'clock, which but in the sea. 218 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 4: So I kind of treat it just like that. 219 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 3: And being a solopreneur, being one that works from home, 220 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 3: over time, I had to learn like, this is how 221 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 3: it has to work in order for it to work. 222 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 3: And this is the other thing is that it's seasonalh 223 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 3: So my family knows it's season Oh, my husband knows 224 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 3: it's seasonal. So it's like, you know, this time where 225 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 3: it's just seven to ten. Is only going to be 226 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 3: like this for maybe like three months or whatnot. But 227 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 3: then after that we'll go back to baking cookies at 228 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 3: seven o'clock at night and watching whatever's on the TV 229 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: all together as a family. So it's one of those 230 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 3: things and it all really goes back to communication at 231 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 3: the end of the day. 232 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: I like that you shared that though, because I feel like, 233 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 2: for me sometimes then I will overthink everything. I'm the 234 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: kind of person where before I take a move, I 235 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: want to know all the steps. And it's like, come on, now, 236 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: you know that I'm not going to show you the 237 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 2: whole road map before you got to step off. You 238 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: got to step out there on faith sometimes, right, But 239 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: dom you it says something about showing up for yourself 240 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 2: and being disciplined, right yeah. 241 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: And so when you are showing up for yourself, I 242 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: think for me when I hear that, Like, I like 243 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: how you gave that example of treating it like a 244 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: nine to five. And one of the things that I 245 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: thought about was, well, what about those people who aren't 246 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: on time at nine o'clock? You know, they don't show 247 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: up right at nine o'clock, right, or those people who 248 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: are staying well past five o'clock to get stuff done. 249 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: What would you say to those people? 250 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 3: I think that at that point it's really a boundaries issue, 251 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 3: and I think every honestly, each person can answer this 252 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: for themselves and just have to be okay with it. 253 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: And while there are some people that's fine, you know, 254 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 3: staying after work, you know, putting in those extra hours 255 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 3: to get the project done, or you know, just going 256 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 3: above and beyond, but then again you just fact that in, like, 257 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 3: you know what, I don't get off at five. I 258 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 3: get off at seven and that's when I leave the office. 259 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 4: And just being honest with yourself. 260 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 3: I think sometimes we be lying to ourselves all the 261 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 3: time and the reason why we don't reach our goals. 262 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: It's like, sis, are you for real going to write 263 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 3: a book this year? And it's August already, and we 264 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: know the level of your work ethic and how it's 265 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 3: set up. It ain't gonna happen firstus being you know 266 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 3: when I'm gonna take a whole year to do it, 267 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 3: you know. 268 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 4: So going back to your question where you're saying, you know, some. 269 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 3: People they don't they get in late, or some people 270 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: stay after work later. 271 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 4: I think it's all. 272 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 3: Goes back to you checking in with yourself and really 273 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: being committed to that vision, committed to that dream, and 274 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 3: you got. 275 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 4: The same twenty four hours like I do. 276 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 3: And I believe that if we are more disciplined, I 277 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 3: just think that's a word that we don't really take 278 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: the heart anymore. Because you tell you name one successful 279 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 3: person that does not have like literally like a rigid schedule, like. 280 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 4: Let's set up Beyonce. 281 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 3: Okay, she's going to tell you what she's eating and 282 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 3: what she's not eating. Now, granted she got the coins 283 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 3: to have all kinds of people for her, but still 284 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 3: route to place. So even when she was in Houston 285 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 3: with Destiny's Child, on whatever level they were in, there 286 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: was those levels of discipline there. And I think that's 287 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: something as women that we just have to be committed 288 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 3: to because when we level. 289 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 4: Up in our discipline, I believe people around us do. 290 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 3: So if you tell sis like, oh, like you know, 291 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 3: we were supposed to hook up for happy hour or 292 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: to go to wherever, it's like, oh no, today I'm 293 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: working on my project or today I'm working on my business. 294 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 3: And the more that you are consistent with that, people 295 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 3: will check it and be like, Okay, she's serious, and 296 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: then it's going to inspire other people to really get 297 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 3: serious about their dreams. And so that's why I actually 298 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 3: like group coaching when I do do group coaching, because 299 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 3: you are and sharpens iron. You get to be in 300 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 3: an environment with other people and their positivity usually inspires you. 301 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 4: So that's my two cents on that piece. 302 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: I love that you share that, and Jen, I love 303 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: that you talked about compartmentalizing and you said I'm not 304 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: going to do this forever. 305 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 4: It's seasonal. 306 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: And the reason I said that that stood out to 307 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: me is because sometimes I'm the kind of person where 308 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: I want to see the whole plan mapped out right. 309 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: But then also I believe that if I'm showing up 310 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: from seven to ten and I'm writing I got to 311 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 2: do this forever, I have to commit to it forever. 312 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,359 Speaker 2: And it's like, no, if you look at it in seasons, 313 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: you know it makes it more consumable for yourself. You're like, 314 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: I know, I'm not going to do this forever. It's 315 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 2: just for this season of my life and then I'll 316 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: be onto a new season where I do something different. 317 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: So I like the fact that you talked about compartmentalizing 318 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: and having these seasonal changes. 319 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's important for us to have 320 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 3: different people in our lives, whether that be a mentor 321 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 3: a coach, an advisor, or somebody to help you see it. 322 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 3: Because even our best athletes Lebron James, Serena Williams, you 323 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 3: list them all, although they are obviously highly talented, they 324 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 3: still have a coach, They still have someone to help 325 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 3: them see their blind spots. And I think taking a 326 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 3: step back and just really planning out maybe. 327 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 4: I mean, if you. 328 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 3: Can't plan out the year, great, but if you can't, 329 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 3: let's at least do the quarter so you can be 330 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 3: able to know what are your yes and knows what 331 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 3: are your deal breakers, how you can create boundaries. And 332 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 3: when we're not disciplined, and when we don't plan, that's 333 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 3: when we're not really able to achieve our dreams. 334 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 4: Unfortunately. Yeah, that's that's a great point. 335 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: Like as you were saying that, I just started thinking, oh, yes, 336 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: I reflected back to graduate school and I remember that 337 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: that is how I got through graduate school by being 338 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: that disciplined and setting those goals on a time schedule. 339 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: And so that's just this is just a reminder of Yes, 340 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: that clearly worked for you to get through graduate school. 341 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: You can continue to employ that in your current life. 342 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and it was seasonal right, right exactly, it 343 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 3: was seeming. 344 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: But I think what may have I think what happened 345 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: is I employed that strategy during that season and associated 346 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: that strategy with that season instead of saying, Okay, this 347 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: strategy can apply to every season. 348 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, for sure. 349 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 3: And I think that's the point of gaining skills in 350 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 3: them being transferable. And I'm thinking about even funny. It's 351 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 3: funny to say that because you talked about me stepping 352 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 3: away out of history to move forward. All of the 353 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 3: things that I use when I had my event planning business, 354 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 3: from connecting with vendors to building client to doing weddings 355 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 3: shows and all those kind of different things, those same 356 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 3: skills I still use now to host, you know, my 357 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,239 Speaker 3: annual conference that I host. And so it's about, like 358 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 3: you said, take an inventory of your skills and of 359 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 3: just things that have helped you be successful in the past, 360 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 3: and say, Okay, I have a new goal or a 361 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 3: new dream, and what helped me to achieve those old 362 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 3: dreams and see if I can use some of those 363 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 3: same skills. 364 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, now, Jen, what do you say to women, 365 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 2: really moms in particular, that struggle with the mommy guilt? 366 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: Right here, China, compartmentalize, you're managing all the things. Maybe 367 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 2: you are doing the seasonal activities to bring your dreams 368 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: to fruition. 369 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 4: But let's talk about that mommy guilt. 370 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's real, let's acknowledge it. Like because as women, 371 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 3: obviously we are caregivers and nurturers and all that kind 372 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 3: of good stuff. So it's going to be natural for 373 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 3: us to want to take care, especially little kids that 374 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 3: can't take care of themselves. But and i'm those psychologists, okay, 375 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 3: but what I have also learned that mommy guilt sometimes 376 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 3: is stemmed from abandonment that women sometimes suffered when they 377 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 3: were younger, and they remember when their mom was never there, 378 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 3: or maybe their father wasn't present or something like that. 379 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 3: So sometimes in the severe cases that I have seen, 380 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 3: I've often seen that link together. So one, I feel like, 381 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 3: you have to address that so you can be comfortable 382 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 3: and confident in who God has still called you to 383 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: be and to do. And although one of your assignments 384 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 3: might be a mother, you also have some other assignments 385 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 3: that he wants you to do. So I try to 386 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 3: encourage women by having them understand that number one, you 387 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 3: can be obviously multi passionate and have multiple assignments. And 388 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 3: the simple thing that we always hear all the time 389 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 3: is that you have to put on your own mass 390 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 3: first before and you help others and so in that 391 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 3: so I. 392 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 4: Take a step back. So let's take a step back 393 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 4: again and just ask yourself. 394 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 3: What makes you come alive, Ask yourself what makes you 395 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 3: come alive, what makes you feel good, and really do 396 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 3: those things so you can fill yourself up so then 397 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 3: you can pour out to your children. So that's what 398 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 3: I will also say to mom's like I've seen you 399 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 3: got to acknowledge it. Yes, you feel like you got 400 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 3: to stay there and only be with them and all 401 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 3: that kind of And it. 402 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 4: Goes back to what we just said that seasons change. 403 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 3: So it's like they won't always be babies, or they 404 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 3: won't always be todllerans, or they won't always be elementary 405 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 3: school kids, they won't always be high schoolers. And so 406 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 3: as she's seasons change, their need for you will change either. 407 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 3: One of the best things that we can do is 408 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 3: to prepare our children to do life without us, so 409 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 3: we can let them practice that even when they're younger. 410 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 3: Because if you always need mommy next to you for 411 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 3: every you know, every single thing, then as you grow, 412 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 3: it's kind of the cycle continues to a certain degree. 413 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 3: So for all my mommies out there, you definitely have 414 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 3: to acknowledge it. But I want you to put your 415 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 3: mask on first, do some things that fill you up 416 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 3: and make you feel good and make you come alive. 417 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 3: And then also I will want you to communicate that 418 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 3: with your partner and be like, Babe, like I really 419 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 3: feel bad when it's time for me to have to 420 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 3: go have some girl time, or I really feel bad 421 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 3: when I need my nails done, but I really don't 422 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 3: want to go because I don't want to. 423 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 4: Can you help me to make sure I take care 424 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 4: of myself. 425 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 3: And if you got a real one, he is going 426 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 3: to be like I got you, you know, and he's 427 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 3: going to make those appointments. He's going to check on you, 428 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 3: be like, Okay, so you didn't go get your hair 429 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 3: done this month? You want to go hook that up. 430 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 3: Matter of fact, I'll call old Girl for you so 431 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 3: you can go ahead. So I'm a big communicator, So 432 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 3: I think that's another thing that you have to do 433 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 3: as well. Get you a real one, Get you a 434 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 3: real one. Look here, don't nobody got no type of 435 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 3: fake one. 436 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: Now, I think that's a good point that like having 437 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: having a real one, having someone who is truly supportive 438 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: of you and you are supportive of them, and you 439 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: all are fostering this interdependence. What are the things that 440 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: we often think about that or that people tend to 441 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: like get caught up in is codependence and that can 442 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: lead to like unhealthy relationship and unhealthy patterns that you 443 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,239 Speaker 1: pass on to your children for sure. And so I 444 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: think it's this concept of interdependence, which is about figuring 445 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: out how can we best support one another to achieve 446 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: our individual and our collective goals. 447 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to think because that's a big one 448 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 3: one because this is the thing. Obviously you have individual 449 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 3: goals and then you come together. So I'm gonna go 450 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 3: back to communication again and say, okay, for twenty twenty, 451 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 3: what is important for you this year? And then you know, 452 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 3: you guys can both answer those questions and then ask 453 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 3: like which one is going to either be priority because 454 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 3: let's be honest. Each of those goals, each of those 455 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 3: dreams are going to require some time and some money 456 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 3: most of the time. So we can ask how can 457 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 3: we can support each other and I'll be totally honest. 458 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 4: So we moved to. 459 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 3: The Bay in twenty eleven, and we moved because my 460 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 3: husband had a dream. He got put it on his 461 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,239 Speaker 3: heart to start the church that we currently have. And 462 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 3: so remember I was a wedding planner, so I had 463 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 3: a business that was already going and I had to 464 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 3: close down the business to move here and do it. 465 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 4: And I'll be honest, in the beginning, I was bussed. 466 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 4: I'll like, wait, like, we're gonna do what we're doing church? 467 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 3: Wait, hold on, wait, wait, wait wait wait, And then 468 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 3: like wait, I have this business here. But and again 469 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 3: going back to having a real one and that you 470 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 3: can just trust the timing of God. You can trust 471 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 3: your partner and that you believe in what they're doing. 472 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 3: It's like, you know what, I'm going to be in 473 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 3: this thing with you, and I don't really understand it 474 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 3: right now, but I'm gonna try. And then as you know, 475 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 3: time goes on, you'll see how everything is working together 476 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 3: for you. 477 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 4: Guys, it's good. 478 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 3: So going back to that whole communication piece and then 479 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 3: also being honest about what resources is it going to 480 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 3: take to make it happen and when is it Who's 481 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 3: time to shift because and I've had this conversation even 482 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 3: with my husband but before, because this is our seventh 483 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 3: year of the church, and I was communicating with him 484 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 3: at the end of last year that you know what, 485 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 3: I think it's my turn and I want to start 486 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 3: putting more of my energy into some things that God 487 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 3: has given me to do. And while obviously I love 488 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 3: the church and love everything that we're doing here, I 489 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 3: feel the nudge to really invest some more time there. 490 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 3: And again having a real one, he was like, okay, 491 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 3: like let's build a plan so you can make the shift. 492 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 3: And that's the thing going back to the plan, Like 493 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 3: I think, sometimes we like to do a lot of 494 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 3: things willy nilly, and sometimes we can do things off 495 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 3: the cuff. But if you want smooth transition, if you 496 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 3: want everybody on one accord, you have to have time 497 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 3: for communication. You kind of have to have a strategic 498 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 3: mind about it. And then I think that together you 499 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 3: guys can work out a plan. 500 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: That is so beautiful and Jhen, you know, speaking of 501 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 2: you having to sort of up through and start all over. 502 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 4: I want to talk about the pivot. 503 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 2: You talked about pivoting earlier, and you know it's apro 504 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 2: Domin and I were supposed to see you live and 505 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 2: in person at your Dream and Chaser conference girl, and 506 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 2: I was just like, ma'am eighteen, I know that you 507 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 2: had to make some changes and had to pivot. Can 508 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 2: you talk about pivoting when the unexpected happens? 509 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 4: Oh, oh my goodness. So how long is the podcast? 510 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 3: I mean. 511 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 4: For days, ma'am, but oh my goodness. Yeah. 512 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 3: So for those who don't know, I post a huge 513 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 3: conference every single year, and it was supposed to be 514 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 3: on April fourth, but obviously because of Corona, we had 515 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 3: to postpone it, not cancel, but postpone. And honestly, I 516 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 3: always like to just take a step back in all 517 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 3: of everything of what I'm doing, and I always I 518 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 3: don't know if you guys ever heard the Serenity prayer, 519 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 3: it goes, God grant me the serenity to accept the 520 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 3: things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, 521 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 3: and wisdom to know the difference. And at the end 522 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 3: of the day. I can't change that. Corona is taken 523 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 3: over right now, you know. So again I had to 524 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 3: then try to obviously pivot and understand like, well, then 525 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 3: what else can we do? And so it's funny because 526 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 3: that was exactly what I had to do, like create 527 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 3: a new normal at the end of the day. And 528 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,479 Speaker 3: so for me, I asked myself, how can I still 529 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 3: serve my why in terms of why is why is 530 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 3: it that I wanted to do the conference? Why is 531 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 3: it that I wanted to bring women together? Why is 532 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 3: it that I want to help women manifest their dreams? 533 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,719 Speaker 3: How can I still be committed to that same why 534 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 3: but achieve it in a different way? And so that's 535 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 3: honestly what I've been brainstorming over for the last few weeks. 536 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 3: And I have some things that's coming up that I 537 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,239 Speaker 3: believe that's going to answer that why. And you have 538 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 3: to be okay with just what the surnameing practice I 539 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 3: just shared, like some of the things that you cannot change. 540 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 3: I think we spend so much time trying to change people, 541 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 3: try to change circumstances, trying to have control over everything. 542 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 3: But God knows our in from our beginning, we don't 543 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: We don't know what's in the middle of the road, 544 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 3: what's around the corner, so we just have to trust 545 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 3: that all things are going to work together for our goods. 546 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 4: So that's kind of where I am right now. 547 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 3: It's like, look, I don't have no time to be 548 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 3: stressing over stuff that's not within my control, you know 549 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 3: what I mean. I'll do my best in terms of 550 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 3: you know, people who registered and dealing with them, and 551 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 3: then all of vendors and sponsors all that kind of stuff, 552 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 3: But I always bank on God's grace, and his grace 553 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 3: always sees me through. So that's how I am pivoting 554 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 3: right now. But I'm still going to serve my why, 555 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 3: but just in a different way. And then I'm gonna 556 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 3: just you know, understand the things that I cannot change, 557 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 3: but still move forward with grace. 558 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I love that the serenity prayer. My mom 559 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: had that on her wall. Yes, yes, yes, yes he did, 560 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: and so that still resonates with me. And I think 561 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: the thing that we sometimes can get caught up in 562 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: is that wisdom piece of like, yeah, going what are 563 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: the things that I truly can change and really letting 564 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: go of the things that I can't. 565 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 3: Right, right right, And I think when we get quiet, 566 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 3: when we get quiet, and I think that's what's happening 567 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 3: right now. God is the line everybody to take several 568 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 3: seats and sit down somewhere and really figure out really 569 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 3: what's important, because when you have to be in the 570 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 3: same place for over twenty four hours over and over again, 571 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 3: you know, it gets real. And then I think we 572 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 3: are able to be honest with ourselves and honest with him, 573 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 3: and he's going to direct this. So I just already 574 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 3: know that when all this and I'm obviously praying for 575 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 3: all of those who have been affected and have died 576 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 3: and the families that are being affected by this. 577 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 4: But you know, in the end, I think I know 578 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 4: it's still going to work together. For are good. For sure, 579 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 4: you are on point, Jen. 580 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 2: This is like a perfect segue from our episode last week. 581 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 4: So your on point. 582 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 2: And at this point, I'm going to change up the 583 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 2: energy just yet a little bit now now, Jim, because 584 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 2: we recognize, appreciate, and celebrate the multifaceted woman, and we 585 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 2: believe that it's okay to be classy and ratchet and 586 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 2: you can still be elegant and dance the strip club 587 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 2: music if you so choose, we want to invite you 588 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 2: to the oh you clatchet segment. Oh Jen, do you 589 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 2: take on the challenge? 590 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 4: I take on the clatchet? 591 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, all right, all right now, so go ahead down, 592 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 2: let's shoot it off. 593 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 4: For our first question. 594 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: Our first question, what is the most spontaneous thing you've 595 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: ever done? 596 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 4: Most spontaneous? 597 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I'm trying to give you all something, 598 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 3: something good and juicy to talk about. Okay, most spontaneous. 599 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, dang, that's right. 600 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 4: You don't get these questions in advance. You just got 601 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 4: to think about it and get off the cuffs. 602 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 3: Most spontaneous, I would say, And I noticed my sounds 603 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 3: so spontaneous. But sometimes you just got to say forget it. 604 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 3: So for my birthday, it was a few years ago, 605 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 3: we had went to Aisha Curry's restaurant. And keep in mind, 606 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 3: we have kids, so we're usually on like a regular routine, 607 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 3: like home by whatever. And I was like, you know what, 608 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 3: let's spend a night in San Francisco tonight, even though 609 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 3: it's just across the bridge, and so we had, like, 610 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 3: you know, just got a hotel room that night, had 611 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 3: went out that night, we went, oh my gosh, So 612 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 3: I've never seen some parts of San Francisco like these before, 613 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 3: and I was like, it goes down in San Francisco. 614 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 3: So just most recently, I feel like that was the 615 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 3: most spontaneous had to call to be Okay, we're not 616 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 3: coming home. 617 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 4: So can you watch the kids overnight? 618 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,479 Speaker 3: And again going back to that filling yourself up, you know, 619 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 3: doing what's good for you. If I had Mammy Gil, 620 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 3: I definitely wouldn't have had not done that, but I 621 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 3: did it, and I'm like, bye kids. 622 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 4: So for me one, yeah, really, and that's really good 623 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 4: one for. 624 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 2: Parents especially, that is like that's that's that's that. 625 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 4: Like it's not just going too good to end, like. 626 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 3: I want to go back, like Mama, I'm use silting points, 627 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 3: get me a room somewhere and we gonna turn up. 628 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 4: So that's how that was. That was most recently how 629 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 4: that went down. 630 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: So yeah, now, Jen, what is your biggest pet peeve? 631 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 3: So I gotta be honest, right, yes, be honest to 632 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 3: be honest. 633 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 4: So, oh my gosh, y'all making me go there. 634 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 3: Okay, so pet peeve one of them is like us, I, 635 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 3: oh you know what, Terry, you got a nice wig, Like, Yo, 636 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 3: I've seen your pieces, and your pieces is nice, Pet Peeve, 637 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, is these women walking around with these 638 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 3: two dollars wigs on their head. I'm like, I need 639 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 3: you to understand that this is an investment, syst and 640 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 3: I need you to just drop a few coins so 641 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 3: it can look nice. And you can't try to wear 642 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 3: the same wig that you've been wearing literally for like 643 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 3: a whole month, Like you don't even take it off. 644 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 4: So I get it. But no, so, my Pet Peeve, 645 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 4: right now, it's like the wigs. It's like, oh my lord, 646 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 4: I help, you can't but there's no part. Yeah, it's 647 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 4: like it's just horrible. 648 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 3: It's like, come on, So I kind of just lower 649 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,479 Speaker 3: my head when I see people and you know, going 650 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 3: about my business. 651 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 2: Or if mine is if mine is ever looking at 652 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 2: hot mess. I'm the kind of person please let me know, 653 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 2: because I want to know. Let me. I don't have 654 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 2: me looking around crazy. You can't see the part, and 655 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 2: you're like, I like your honesty down. We may have 656 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 2: to add some wigglings in the show notes. 657 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 3: I'm helping him out, and that's what's been preventing me 658 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 3: from getting getting getting in mind because I don't. 659 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 4: Want nobody talking about me. 660 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 3: So I was like, you know, I really want and 661 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 3: this is the thing because you know, I'm up on 662 00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 3: stage every single. 663 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 4: Week and I always have my hair you know, heat 664 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 4: and everything, and then sometimes I just make it. I'm like, 665 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 4: I need me a good piece, and I already have 666 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,439 Speaker 4: a name. Oh there you go? Can you share? 667 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 2: Her name is the secret? 668 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 4: Oh no, it's not a secret. Her name is Jasmine. 669 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 4: Nothing to you know, it's just Jasmine. You know, she's 670 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 4: kind of. 671 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 2: Said every day. Yes, so the find a good Jasmine 672 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 2: out there to get you help me. Yes. 673 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: So speaking of being on the stage every week, that 674 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: means that like like you're saying, like, you gotta look 675 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:42,240 Speaker 1: fly right, tell us about your most cringe worthy outfit 676 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,439 Speaker 1: that you've ever worn. 677 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 3: It's cringe worthy? Oh okay, I'm trying to think. So 678 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 3: it's actually, oh my gosh, so yeah, oh my god, Okay, 679 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,320 Speaker 3: I got to figure out how can I make this ass. 680 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 4: You don't know who I'm talking about. So long story short. 681 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 3: You know, every year we celebrate the church's birthday and 682 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 3: I had somebody offer to, you know, make me something, and. 683 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, that's such a nice gesture, like okay, cool. 684 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 3: And you know, her stuff was cool, so I'm like, 685 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna do it. And I was out 686 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 3: of town and I couldn't come in for like the fitting, 687 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 3: so it's like, just send me your measurements and. 688 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 4: We try to do it. 689 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 3: And literally I got back into town that Saturday, so 690 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 3: it was literally the day before church, and I went 691 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 3: to go pick it up and it was just it 692 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,760 Speaker 3: was just not that like her work was a hot mess. 693 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 3: It's just like the fit, you know what I mean, 694 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 3: Like cause if it doesn't fit, you mustn't quit. 695 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 4: Like Johnny cockran like one on one right, So it 696 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:45,479 Speaker 4: was just a. 697 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 3: Horrible fit, Like it was too long and it didn't 698 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 3: snatch my waist and it felt really bad because she, 699 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 3: you know, made it for me. So I obviously wanted 700 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 3: to wear it because I didn't want. 701 00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 4: To be like, well you didn't wear it. 702 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I've never wanted again, so that was yeah. 703 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 4: And I just took the bullet. Oh yeah it was. 704 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 4: It was sweet if you didn't even wear it. 705 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna have to text you to get some 706 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,320 Speaker 2: pictures of this offline. 707 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:24,399 Speaker 1: We won't walk off divigiens of like feel Husable from 708 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: the Cosy Show, and. 709 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 3: I remember that with the with the pocket on the chest, 710 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 3: and it was like, what is happening here? 711 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 4: Yes, it wasn't as bad as that. 712 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 3: If that was a ten, then this was like a 713 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 3: strong seven, a strong seven. 714 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 4: But you know, you know how. 715 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 3: And it's the thing because I have one friend that 716 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 3: she's like a legit model, like she'd be traveling all 717 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 3: over the place and stuff, and so I'll be watching 718 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 3: all the stuff that she, you know, shares, and it 719 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 3: seems like on the red carpet they can wear whatever 720 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 3: you know, you would never wear in real life. So 721 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 3: I had just honed in my New York Fashion Week 722 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 3: spirit and to that church as if this was like 723 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 3: the hottest thing on the runway and just don't love it. 724 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 3: And at the end of the day of it, that's 725 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 3: really what you have to do. So even if you're 726 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 3: wearing T shirt and sweats, you know, if you walk 727 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 3: in with confidence with your head up, you know, there's 728 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 3: still an aura that you know oozes out of you 729 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 3: and it brings like to others. 730 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 4: So that's that's what I had to muster up that day. 731 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,839 Speaker 4: Fo show. I love it. I love it, Jen. 732 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 2: Our last question for you is what's the best compliment 733 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 2: you've ever received? 734 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 4: Best compliment? 735 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 3: I think the best compliment is from my husband and 736 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 3: he tells me I'm a good mom because I think 737 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,280 Speaker 3: every man wants like their you know, legacy their children 738 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 3: to you know, grow and become something great. And I 739 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 3: think we all recognize that women play moms play a 740 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 3: big role in. 741 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,720 Speaker 4: Making little humans great. 742 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 3: And so the fact that he saw, you know, the 743 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 3: effort and the energy that I put into the kids 744 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 3: being well in terms of education and well roundedness and 745 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 3: just looking you know nice, I. 746 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 4: Really appreciated that for sure. 747 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 3: So that that that's going to be like one of 748 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 3: the best compliments because I mean, let's be real, like, 749 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 3: who cares if you make a million dollars if you 750 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:25,399 Speaker 3: are ragny mama, Like come on, okay, so right there, Yeah, 751 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 3: So that for sure, that's a sweet compliment. 752 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:33,879 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, All right. Now, Jena, where can our 753 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 2: listeners connect with you on social media? And what exciting 754 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 2: updates do you have to share with them? 755 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 4: Sure? 756 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 3: So you guys can totally connect with me on Instagram. 757 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 3: My name is Jen j E double n Underscore Hammock 758 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 3: h a double m M O c K. 759 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 4: You know what. 760 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 3: I post frequently, not all the time, but very frequently, 761 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 3: and just really like to just share my life and 762 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 3: inspiration because I feel like we need positivities right now, 763 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 3: and I think that we need real positivity and that 764 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 3: you have to share the good and the bad, you know, 765 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 3: the transparent side of life, because I think sometimes we 766 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 3: people paint picture that it's always roses and it's not. 767 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 3: So you have to totally connect with me on Instagram. I 768 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 3: also have a podcast too, so after you listen to 769 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 3: hers and you are subscribed, then you can totally check 770 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 3: out my podcast which is called Dream Chaser Podcast, and 771 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 3: then my website Jenniferhammick dot com. But some of the 772 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 3: exciting things that I'm working on, just as you mentioned 773 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 3: in terms of having to pivot and Corona and everything, 774 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 3: and I really still wanted to serve my why, but 775 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 3: I have to figure out a different way to you 776 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 3: to do it. I'm launching a membership group and honestly, 777 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 3: it is a support group for female entrepreneurs. I also 778 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 3: believe like who cares if you have a great marketing 779 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 3: strategy and your Instagram feed is on fleak if you're 780 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 3: not good within. 781 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 4: So not only are we going to you know. 782 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 3: Trade business secrets and how to do this and trade ideas. 783 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 3: You know, we're gonna check in with each other because 784 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 3: I don't know about you guys, but this entrepreneurship journey 785 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 3: is not always easy and you want to quit as 786 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 3: much as time as you want to win. So I 787 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,760 Speaker 3: wanted to create that safe, safe space for other women 788 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 3: like myself. 789 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 4: So that's what's going. 790 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,439 Speaker 1: On with me. Oh well, thank you so much, Jen 791 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: for joining us today. I really enjoy this and feel 792 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 1: really inspired by you. 793 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 3: Awesome, and honestly, that's a great compliment too, to be 794 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 3: totally honest, somebody be inspired by you, because like I 795 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 3: don't know, that is like one of the next one 796 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 3: after I answered the first question, that would be the 797 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 3: next one. 798 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:44,359 Speaker 4: For sure. 799 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 3: The best compliment is inspiring somebody. That means you are 800 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 3: changing somebody's life to a certain degree, helping them to 801 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 3: want to continue to press on. So I am inspired 802 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 3: by you guys and the work that you do, and 803 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 3: I want to thank you so much for allowing me 804 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 3: to share this space with you with your audience, and 805 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 3: I just want all of us to reach our best 806 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 3: and to do our best and to be our best. 807 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 4: Oh yay, Well, thank you so much, Jim. 808 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 2: We appreciate you and we had such a great time 809 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,240 Speaker 2: having you in her Space. 810 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,280 Speaker 4: Yes, thank you again. 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