Speaker 1: Old media.
Speaker 2: Happy g October everybody.
Speaker 3: Oh, shut the fuck up, we can't.
Speaker 2: This is that could happen here? Executive Disorder, our weekly
Speaker 2: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,
Speaker 2: and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis to
Speaker 2: joint by Mio Wong, Jamestown and Robert Evans. This episode
Speaker 2: recovering the week of September twenty first to October first.
Speaker 1: And what a week it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does not feel like it should be October,
Speaker 2: but who cares. I guess the government's shut down right now,
Speaker 2: So all of the dozens of anarchists around the country
Speaker 2: are rejoicing, uh huh, as the Senate has failed to
Speaker 2: pass a short term funding bill.
Speaker 1: That's right, everyone, we did it. We defeated the state
Speaker 1: using the power of the state.
Speaker 3: State.
Speaker 2: Yeah, many such cases. As the governments shut down, Trump
Speaker 2: is threatening mass layoffs, and Republicans are framing this whole
Speaker 2: shot down as being caused by Democrats who are trying
Speaker 2: to defend health care for quote unquote illegals, which isn't real.
Speaker 2: Undocumented immigrants do not get federal health care. That's not
Speaker 2: even what the Democrats are fighting for. Would be cool
Speaker 2: if they were would be cool if the theory of
Speaker 2: this country you could just get health care, that sounds nice.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be a cool, almost utopian place to live.
Speaker 2: But that's not what's happening. And the rights confronted with this,
Speaker 2: but they just do not care. Here's a Mike Johnson,
Speaker 2: Speaker of the House on CNN having a little debate
Speaker 2: about this.
Speaker 4: If that counterproposal was enacted, is illegal aliens would be
Speaker 4: paid for American taxpayers hard earned dollars would be paying
Speaker 4: for benefits for illegal aliens. Again, we're not doing that.
Speaker 3: But it's against federal law for people who are here illegally.
Speaker 4: To get yes, and that's why our reforms are so
Speaker 4: important to enforce all that. The important thing.
Speaker 5: To remember is that the Democratic proposal that people who
Speaker 5: are here illegally again.
Speaker 4: Because they don't have the level of specification that we
Speaker 4: had in our bill, it will unwind that and all
Speaker 4: those things that the CBO just verified will be reversed.
Speaker 4: We can't afford to do.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: No, that is a red hearing in this in this debate.
Speaker 2: So what the Democrats are actually doing right now is
Speaker 2: they're trying to extend the current currently enacted federal subsidies
Speaker 2: for the Affordable Care Act, which keeps millions of people
Speaker 2: able to access healthcare. And Democrats are also trying to
Speaker 2: reverse some of the federal health care cuts, including to Medicaid,
Speaker 2: which happened under the One Big Beautiful Bill earlier this year.
Speaker 2: That is what they're actually fighting for. The White House
Speaker 2: is retruthing and retweeting proposals from the Democrats that include
Speaker 2: health care for aliens. But that's legal aliens, that's like
Speaker 2: legal documented residents, and they're framing this as health care
Speaker 2: for quote unquote illegals.
Speaker 3: It's a it's a bad faith representation, as it always is.
Speaker 3: Like people can go all the way back to the
Speaker 3: episode that I made with Robin Sophie last year about
Speaker 3: what Trump might do to learn more about the public
Speaker 3: charge rule and how that pertain to people who are
Speaker 3: not US citizens. I don't think we really have the time, Noise,
Speaker 3: this the place to go over that here, But there
Speaker 3: is not, and there has never been a massive federal
Speaker 3: free health care plan for undocumented people. In fact, people
Speaker 3: who are undocumented are not going to see the doctor
Speaker 3: right now because of the persistent and untrue rumor that
Speaker 3: ICE are taking people from hospitals. That is not something
Speaker 3: I'm aware of ever happening. Ice do take people who
Speaker 3: are already in their custody to hospitals, and they will
Speaker 3: wait for those people while those people are treated. That
Speaker 3: it's not the same as entering the hospital and grabbing
Speaker 3: people based on the immigration status. And I'm aware of
Speaker 3: several cases where people whose life was genuinely in danger
Speaker 3: were afraid to go and seek medical attention because they
Speaker 3: were afraid that they would be targeted for their immigration status.
Speaker 2: So we'll see how long this government shut down last.
Speaker 2: The last one start on twenty eighteen, lasted thirty five days.
Speaker 2: If this shutdown is still happening next week, I'm sure
Speaker 2: we will include some details about government services being affected.
Speaker 2: But this could resolve in a few days, a few hours,
Speaker 2: or in a few weeks. We do not know. But luckily,
Speaker 2: not all is depressing and dark in this country. There
Speaker 2: still is a ray of hope. In that ray of
Speaker 2: hope is named Jimmy Kimmel, who was thankfully back on
Speaker 2: the air. I know we've all been watching. We've all
Speaker 2: been watching this certainly, and next our Instintclair have ceased,
Speaker 2: preempting his show. That's back on air across the country.
Speaker 2: Free speech is hashtag So back in America, provert. Do
Speaker 2: you want to talk about the Disney plus boycott?
Speaker 1: Yes, So we've gotten some data finally on the damage
Speaker 1: down to Disney's result of the boycott. After they fired
Speaker 1: Monsieur Kimmel.
Speaker 2: Suspended, suspended, Monsieur kim.
Speaker 1: Il suspended, suspended, They were definitely going to fire. They
Speaker 1: wanted to fire his We definitely wanted to fire him.
Speaker 1: And you know, there was a lot of posting online
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of posting, a lot of.
Speaker 1: Posting about people canceling their accounts and people being like wow,
Speaker 1: and it's I always it's always very frustrated to me
Speaker 1: because like people get very excited and it's impossible to
Speaker 1: tell with the moment is this actually anything? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: sixteen thousand people shared this thing about how the website
Speaker 1: for Disney was down, but that doesn't mean anything other
Speaker 1: than like someone saw the website down and a bunch
Speaker 1: of people shared and posted it. So it was very
Speaker 1: difficult to tell, like, is there actually any follow through
Speaker 1: on this? Is Disney's bottom line being hurt? And thankfully
Speaker 1: I'm very happy to say that it does look like
Speaker 1: Disney suffered a substantial financial setback as a result of
Speaker 1: the boycott campaign. YEP, something like one point seven million
Speaker 1: paid subscribers canceled. And this was immediately before Disney was
Speaker 1: looking to announce a price increase. So like this, this
Speaker 1: is like a serious I'm not surprised they reversed. Course,
Speaker 1: this is like damaging to them. We're not talking about
Speaker 1: the amount of money that a company like Disney would
Speaker 1: just ignore.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think the most important thing here for
Speaker 6: all of us, and this is the thing I talked about.
Speaker 6: We did an episode about this. This is actually before for Kimmel.
Speaker 6: I've reenstated by Sinclair. But one of the really important
Speaker 6: things here is that everyone fucking hates this government. They
Speaker 6: are hideously unpopular of the All of their sort of
Speaker 6: legitimization stuff, all of the sort of media complicity they've
Speaker 6: bought has bought them about a four percent of poofa
Speaker 6: rating bump from where they were this time of the
Speaker 6: administration the first time, so he said about forty one
Speaker 6: percent of poofa rating. Everything that he's doing is hideously underwater.
Speaker 6: Like his most popular thing is his immigration policy, which
Speaker 6: is horrible. But it's again like forty two percent. Everyone
Speaker 6: hates these people, you know, and it's it's very easy
Speaker 6: because of their control the media sphere to believe that
Speaker 6: they have this sort of total hegemonic power over everyone
Speaker 6: in the US until the exact moment where it gets
Speaker 6: challenged and everyone's like, wait, hold on, no, it turns
Speaker 6: out most of the country hates this, does not want
Speaker 6: Jimmy Kimmel acts from Disney.
Speaker 2: Like, Comrade Kimmel has joined the fight. Yeah, yeah, there
Speaker 2: are more of us than there are and there always
Speaker 2: have been, and by more of us, Mia is referring
Speaker 2: to herself and Jimmy Kimmel as a coherent political class.
Speaker 1: Just for the record, there the only two members of
Speaker 1: the coherent political class.
Speaker 2: But that's good news just over the state which holds
Speaker 2: me up and Kimmel and the entirety of the fourth Estate.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, there's a little bit of good
Speaker 1: news for you. A bunch of people got really pissed
Speaker 1: at something blatantly anti First Amendment, anti democratic, massive overreach
Speaker 1: of the state, thought crime, nonsense, and the company suffered
Speaker 1: such dramatic within like literally in the space of a week.
Speaker 1: That's three hundred and thirty million or so million dollars
Speaker 1: a year that Disney lost. That even Disney can't ignore
Speaker 1: that kind of money.
Speaker 2: Oh looks like regular people.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, like people who subscribe to Disney Bluss.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: An army of ordinary liberals, the actual silent majority in
Speaker 2: this country. Yeah said no this, like.
Speaker 1: Well, that's gross and scary. I'm not paying Disney anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's good that they did that.
Speaker 2: Currently, the rights trying to manufacture counter boycott against Netflix
Speaker 2: for having children's shows with non binary characters, mostly using
Speaker 2: clips and children's shows that are like two or three
Speaker 2: years old clips that Limbs of Talk Talk has already
Speaker 2: posted years ago. Now try to write check and others
Speaker 2: are recirculating these clips to being like, look at how
Speaker 2: Netflix has gone too far as pushing woke nonsense down
Speaker 2: the throats of your children by using like ancient clips
Speaker 2: from like the Jurassic Park TV show. Like, okay, guys,
Speaker 2: good luck with that. Have fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In other news, the Department of War. This actually happened
Speaker 2: last month. On September fifth, Trump signed an executive order
Speaker 2: approving the name the Department of War as a secondary
Speaker 2: title for the Department of Defense to use an official correspondence,
Speaker 2: public communications, ceremonial contexts, and non statutory documents within the
Speaker 2: executive branch, while the administration also works on changing the
Speaker 2: name officially through Congress. Hag Seth nearly immediately switched all
Speaker 2: of his accounts and his office name plate to read
Speaker 2: Secretary of War.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he pushed hard for this one.
Speaker 2: Defense dot gov now redirects to war dot gov. And
Speaker 2: they're just referring to this in all public appearances as
Speaker 2: the War Department, something that we've talked about on the
Speaker 2: show before of them wanting to do and they're going
Speaker 2: to continue to push this and using this kind of
Speaker 2: war framing for domestic operations, yeah, not just international deployments.
Speaker 3: This was its historical name right like way way before
Speaker 3: it was a DoD Yeah. Yeah, it was, so just
Speaker 3: to be clear for people, that doesn't mean that it's
Speaker 3: like a good reason to change it back.
Speaker 2: Trump truthed last week quote, at the request of the
Speaker 2: Secretary of Homeland Security Christinome, I'm directing Secretary of War
Speaker 2: Pete Hagseth to provide all necessary troops to protect war
Speaker 2: more ravaged Portland and any of our ICE facilities under
Speaker 2: siege from attack by Antifa and other domestic terrorists. I'm
Speaker 2: also authorizing full force if necessary. Thank you for your
Speaker 2: attention in this matter. War ravaged Portland. How's it hanging
Speaker 2: out there for our Portland correspondence.
Speaker 1: It's fine. It's kind of raining. I had a nice
Speaker 1: tapas dinner on Sunday. It was pretty good.
Speaker 6: The crows are really nice.
Speaker 2: Do what it does? Does someone want to mention like
Speaker 2: the nature of the anti ICE protests happening in like
Speaker 2: one square block in like the south waterfront of downtown Portland.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in the South waterfront. McAdam is what people
Speaker 1: here call it the neighborhood where the ICE auxiliary facility is.
Speaker 1: And there have been protests off and on pretty much
Speaker 1: since Trump took office. Usually on like a good night
Speaker 1: you get maybe one hundred and fifty two hundred people.
Speaker 1: There were some nights kind of around where things blew
Speaker 1: up in LA that there were more like five or
Speaker 1: six hundred people out for a couple of days. There
Speaker 1: really hasn't been any of the like what we were
Speaker 1: seeing in twenty twenty in terms of like the mass
Speaker 1: mass gatherings, and you know, there has not really been
Speaker 1: much in the way of like people getting arrested, generally
Speaker 1: getting arrested for crossing a line that separates federal property
Speaker 1: from like state property, so to speak, and like step
Speaker 1: over it and then a bunch of guys run out
Speaker 1: and grab them. Right, That's that's mostly what the arrests
Speaker 1: are for. A lot of people have had charges dropped.
Speaker 1: I mean, people get fucked up charges when they get charged,
Speaker 1: but a lot of them are not really sticking because
Speaker 1: they're not very strong, like because it's just not much
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll talk more about why Trump thinks there's this
Speaker 2: apocalypse now scenario happening in Portland. But yeah, so far
Speaker 2: the protests have been relatively mild.
Speaker 6: Yes, Yeah, the vibe is very much like the classic
Speaker 6: Portland thing of people with like holding doughnuts on fishing
Speaker 6: lines out in front of the cops. Right, it's like that,
Speaker 6: not like molotovs.
Speaker 1: The response has been crazy, Like there's a video going
Speaker 1: around that's a bunch of federal agents. I think they're
Speaker 1: fps rolling in up from a van from outside of
Speaker 1: the ice facility and arresting somebody who again probably crossed
Speaker 1: a line or through something. Generally is why people have
Speaker 1: been getting arrested, so that the response has been nonsense.
Speaker 1: That video is from recently, and I'm seeing it attributed
Speaker 1: to Trump's declaration of war. But like I saw stuff
Speaker 1: like that three months ago, four months ago, like it's
Speaker 1: been happening every day, like they do roll up in
Speaker 1: their vans when they because they periodically throughout the day
Speaker 1: will have Feds come in to go grab a couple
Speaker 1: of people, and that this is a thing they've been doing.
Speaker 1: So they've been so far at least, I have not
Speaker 1: seen either an escalation on the ground really in terms
Speaker 1: of what protests, what the protests are doing, and the
Speaker 1: numbers of protesters since Trump's declaration. And I also really
Speaker 1: haven't seen an escalation in what's being deployed on the ground.
Speaker 2: We have not seen the Oregon National Guard presence that
Speaker 2: is being promised. No, this has just been DHS officers.
Speaker 1: I can confirm, just based on some information that's come
Speaker 1: my way that there do seem to be an increased
Speaker 1: number of DHS blackhaws flying with their transponders off. There's
Speaker 1: a couple of reasons they can do that. Some of
Speaker 1: them is for if they are transporting like high value
Speaker 1: quote unquote deportees, right, people who are being deported for
Speaker 1: some sort of serious crime. Sure, some of it is
Speaker 1: if they are feel like they are under threat and
Speaker 1: are doing like emergency personnel transfers. They're not generally supposed
Speaker 1: to fly without their transponders, although again, you can't really
Speaker 1: trust anything to work the way it's supposed to work.
Speaker 1: But there is some evidence that they have been ramping
Speaker 1: up and they have been flying more MQ nine's over
Speaker 1: the city Reaper drones for surveillance purposes, so that I
Speaker 1: can say there does seem to have been a degree
Speaker 1: of escalation, But in terms of we're not seeing troops
Speaker 1: marching through the city yet, and I honestly can't, it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to me, as of the moment that we're
Speaker 1: recording this, that there has been an escalation in the
Speaker 1: level of force used on the ground right now. That said,
Speaker 1: the level of force use on the ground before Trump
Speaker 1: declared his war on Portland or whatever was still pretty extreme.
Speaker 1: That has continued. I just it doesn't seem like what's
Speaker 1: happening right now is a massive increase over where we
Speaker 1: were two weeks ago. You know, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6: And I think the place where that has happened is Chicago,
Speaker 6: and we will get to that later.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Trump has continued to talk about deploying quote
Speaker 2: unquote troops to US cities, including at a meeting of
Speaker 2: top brass on Tuesday, September thirtieth, where Pete hag Seth
Speaker 2: basically ranted to top generals and admirals about no more
Speaker 2: wokeness in the military. But Trump also spoke telling top
Speaker 2: military officials to prepare to deploy military to liberal run cities,
Speaker 2: calling it a quote war from within. Let's play the clip.
Speaker 7: But it seems that the ones that are run by
Speaker 7: the radical left Democrats, what they've done to San Francisco, Chicago,
Speaker 7: New York, Los Angeles the very unsafe places, and we're
Speaker 7: going to straighten them out. It'll be a major part
Speaker 7: for some of the people in this room. That's a
Speaker 7: war too, It's a war from within. Controlling the physical
Speaker 7: territory of our border is essential to national security. We
Speaker 7: can't let these people in.
Speaker 3: The two separate issues there that he conflated, right, protests
Speaker 3: in cities and people crossing the border.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the way Trump's been talking about this
Speaker 2: for a while. I mean, same thing with like DC right,
Speaker 2: combining this like crime issue with undocumented immigration and also
Speaker 2: with protests against ICE operations targeting undocumented immigrants, all kind
Speaker 2: of bundled together into this, into this war from within.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean the immigration issue, right, is one that
Speaker 3: gives him a much broaderly way and the powers the
Speaker 3: constitutionally available to him as the executive than policing with
Speaker 3: the military, which is on the face foot of thing
Speaker 3: that shouldn't happen in the United States. It makes sense
Speaker 3: from a tactical perspective for them to conflate those two
Speaker 3: things together. I will say, even if it's not particularly real.
Speaker 2: During this televise meeting, Trump told military leaders quote, last month,
Speaker 2: I signing an executive order to provide training for a
Speaker 2: quick reaction force that can help quell civil disturbances. This
Speaker 2: is going to be a big thing for the people
Speaker 2: in this room talking to the generals, because it's the
Speaker 2: enemy from within, and we will have to handle it
Speaker 2: before it gets out of control. It won't get out
Speaker 2: of control once you're involved. Unquote. They're directly addressing admirals
Speaker 2: and generals about them having to help form a quick
Speaker 2: reaction for us to quell civil disturbance, which won't get
Speaker 2: out of control once they're involved, calling it again the
Speaker 2: enemy from within, align that Trump used a lot during
Speaker 2: the tail end of his presidential campaign in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 6: Yeah, which is just it's every single element if it
Speaker 6: is just fascist.
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's pretty it's pretty blanket authoritarian stuff.
Speaker 2: Like there's no like sugar coating it here. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: they don't need to like use coded phrases, right, they
Speaker 2: just say this stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, they're just yeah, they're just this is this
Speaker 6: is just fascism. They're just trying to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just saying the thing.
Speaker 2: In the meeting, he explicitly labeled these dangerous cities as
Speaker 2: a training ground for our military National Guard.
Speaker 7: But I want to salute every service member who has
Speaker 7: helped us carry out this critical mission. It's really a
Speaker 7: very important mission. And I told Pete we should use
Speaker 7: some of these dangerous cities as training grounds for our
Speaker 7: military national Guard. But military, because we're going into Chicago.
Speaker 7: Verson that's a big city with an incompetent governor. Stupid
Speaker 7: governor stupid.
Speaker 6: And I think it's worth noting that both the mayor
Speaker 6: of Chicago and the Governor Pritzker have been very unhappy
Speaker 6: about this. Like as much as Pritzker has kind of
Speaker 6: not been doing anything about like CPD aiding ice in raids,
Speaker 6: he is absolutely not budging at all about not putting
Speaker 6: National Guard troops in. So if they're very serious about
Speaker 6: following this through, we're going to see some kind of
Speaker 6: large scale confrontation.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 6: And Pritzker is not the kind of like knock needs,
Speaker 6: uh Gavin Newson type governor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not Gavin Newson.
Speaker 6: He's not simply just going to let Trump do this.
Speaker 6: And yeah, that's going to be a major source of
Speaker 6: confrontation assuming this, Assuming this specific like we're going to
Speaker 6: send the National Guard in the Chicago stuff like happens soon.
Speaker 2: Trump also talked about talking with Tina Kotec, governor of Oregon,
Speaker 2: about deploying Oregon National Gardener, and her pushing back against that,
Speaker 2: but ostensibly acquiescing in some way because there's been an
Speaker 2: announcement from the organ National Guard that they will be
Speaker 2: deploying and people in Oregon probably aren't gonna be happy
Speaker 2: about it. They won't quote understand the mission. But during
Speaker 2: this meeting, Trump did talk about his phone calls with
Speaker 2: the Oregon governor.
Speaker 7: Portland, Oregon, where it looks like a war zone. And
Speaker 7: I get a call from the liberal governor. Sure, please
Speaker 7: don't come, and we don't need you. I said, well,
Speaker 7: unless they're playing false tapes, this looked like World War two.
Speaker 7: Your place is burning down. I mean, you must be kidding, sir.
Speaker 7: We have it under control. I said, you don't have
Speaker 7: it under control, Governor, but I'll check it and I'll
Speaker 7: call you back. I called it back. I said, this
Speaker 7: place is a nightmare. Probably it's certainly not the biggest,
Speaker 7: but it's one of the worst. Is brew They go
Speaker 7: after our ice people, who are great patriots and tough
Speaker 7: job too, but they love it. They love it because
Speaker 7: they're cleaning up our country.
Speaker 3: And I think because it's a fifty thousand dollars sign up.
Speaker 2: Well, unless they're playing false tapes. So the tapes aren't
Speaker 2: necessarily false. But if you're watching Fox News twenty four
Speaker 2: to seven, what Fox News is doing is they're playing
Speaker 2: a lot of clips not from the Year of Our
Speaker 2: Lord twenty twenty five, but in fact from twenty twenty
Speaker 2: when Trump's last federal invasion of Portland happened where he
Speaker 2: deployed Bortac, which looked much more like a war scene.
Speaker 2: Do you know why because of the massive amounts of
Speaker 2: chemical munitions that Bortac like caked downtown Portland, which made
Speaker 2: it look very similar to a war scene. So yeah,
Speaker 2: those are the clips that are playing NonStop on TV.
Speaker 2: I've been watching Fox News clips. They're just playing clips
Speaker 2: of Portland twenty twenty to make this look like a
Speaker 2: different situation than what the current on the ground situation is,
Speaker 2: which may have some intense moments, but not nearly the
Speaker 2: intensity of five years ago, which again was stoked by
Speaker 2: Trump's own military police force, which was deployed to the city.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's some information that Trump got corrected internally.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I think that that's going to
Speaker 1: mean anything, but yeah, six year old footage, five year
Speaker 1: old footage being used to justify in military deployments about
Speaker 1: you'd expect.
Speaker 2: Really literally, yesterday I saw footage circulating on X the
Speaker 2: Everything app of someone throwing a Molotov cocktail into a street.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that Molotov.
Speaker 2: I remember that.
Speaker 1: That Malota getting thrown half a decade ago.
Speaker 2: It only hit another protester whose feet got very badly burned. Yes,
Speaker 2: and that's the type of footage circulating that makes it
Speaker 2: look like, you know, once again, Portland's burning down, Portland's
Speaker 2: always burning down, using like one or two select clips
Speaker 2: from yeah, half a decade ago.
Speaker 1: And again no buildings actually burnt down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've created a reality around what happened important in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty that you will never change with facts or evidence. Right,
Speaker 3: like to people who watch Fox News, Portland was burned
Speaker 3: to the ground in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: And again, even on the worst nights in Portland, we
Speaker 1: could go three blocks and get food from a food cart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a lot of great Chinese food.
Speaker 1: That stuff. We've got great Chinese food, shwarma, you know.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: In La when the city was whatever under siege, I
Speaker 3: went to Buffalo Wild Wings and pretty pre normal Buffalo
Speaker 3: Wild Wings at two am on a Wednesday scene.
Speaker 1: That's a war zone. That's a war zone.
Speaker 3: I had my plague carrier on. I was ready to go.
Speaker 2: Here's some ads. We'll be back to talking about Chicago,
Speaker 2: but enjoy these possibly Buffalo Wild Wing sponsored ads.
Speaker 3: I doubt it. No vegan food. All right, we are
Speaker 3: back sweet and it's good to be back. I want
Speaker 3: to talk very briefly about Pete hegsss sec war as
Speaker 3: he is calling himself now, right, and the little speech
Speaker 3: he gave Pete Pegs he's he's working on his his
Speaker 3: physical fitness for sure, his bod that He put a
Speaker 3: big emphasis on physical fitness in his speech, along with
Speaker 3: grooming standards and other.
Speaker 2: Shiit male standards.
Speaker 3: Yes, everybody has to attain the male standard for the
Speaker 3: various role of their combat roles that they if they
Speaker 3: want to do that, right, So that would mean, you know,
Speaker 3: the Army Physical Fitness test, right, whatever the male standard
Speaker 3: quote unquote was would be everyone's standard. I don't want
Speaker 3: to go deep into hegsth career. That would be another episode,
Speaker 3: possibly of another show, but I do want to talk
Speaker 3: about this stuff. Did you notice he said no more.
Speaker 3: He listed number of generals, but one of them was Milli, Right,
Speaker 3: he said no more. Milli's Chiarelli, and I forget who
Speaker 3: the other one was. But I thought that was interesting
Speaker 3: given what we saw Trump say about a QRF. Right,
Speaker 3: Milli had a long career in the military, rate he
Speaker 3: saw plenty of combat and all that stuff. But I
Speaker 3: think He's most well known to most people for his
Speaker 3: cooling effect on the use of the US military against
Speaker 3: protesters in twenty twenty. Elsa, I think that is what
Speaker 3: that was referring to, right that hegsth was talking about
Speaker 3: removing that kind of person from Kamal and.
Speaker 1: Milly also said no to Trump when he wanted to
Speaker 1: deploy for and he was also working behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: he's admitted now with Pelosi being like, we need to
Speaker 1: have a plan if he tries to use the nukes
Speaker 1: after the election.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Millie was doing everything he could to mitigate what
Speaker 3: he saw as a massive danger of Trump responding in
Speaker 3: a completely disproportionate.
Speaker 2: Way a legitimate national security and danger.
Speaker 3: Yeah yes, yeah, like, yeah, someone whose job is protecting
Speaker 3: the United States, like that's some reasonable concern. Was a
Speaker 3: reasonable concern at that time. Obviously, the Trump administration does
Speaker 3: not want people like that in command anymore, and that
Speaker 3: was something that HEGs spoke about at length. The rest
Speaker 3: of his speech focused on shit like fitness standards, shit
Speaker 3: like grooming, visible tattoos, a bunch of stuff that you
Speaker 3: would expect from a mid career infantry officer who hasn't
Speaker 3: had a particularly distinguished career, right, Like, that's the ship
Speaker 3: that mid career infantry officers do.
Speaker 2: I think you mean war fighters, James, which is haig
Speaker 2: Set's preferred term for soldiers.
Speaker 3: Yes, fuck me. Yeah, well because it's gender neutrals start that.
Speaker 1: They've been doing that for a while.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's on the MRI, It's been on the
Speaker 3: emerys for a while. But yes, heik Seth does like
Speaker 3: the phrase warfighters. His stuff was, like I said, not
Speaker 3: something you would expect from someone who I think he
Speaker 3: was a four in the national card, right. I don't
Speaker 3: think any of that it's particularly new. He issued a
Speaker 3: number of directives. One thing I did want to talk
Speaker 3: about was this change in grooming standards. So the War
Speaker 3: Department has issued a new directive on shaving profiles. What
Speaker 3: this does in practice is we can see from their announcement,
Speaker 3: which features prominently a black soldier shaving, is it takes
Speaker 3: away long term shaving profiles for soldiers with medical conditions
Speaker 3: such as pseudofoliculitis or exma, or other soldiers who experienced
Speaker 3: skin irritation by shaving. Previously, those soldiers may have had
Speaker 3: a like a waiver which they could show to their
Speaker 3: officers of their officer said, hey, soldier, why have you shave? Soldier, sailor, emon,
Speaker 3: Space Force, guardian, whatever, why haven't you shaved? They could say, well,
Speaker 3: I'm on the shaving profile because of this condition that
Speaker 3: I have. Now you will only have a year and
Speaker 3: then you will have to somehow rectify that condition. They
Speaker 3: talk about treatments a little bit in this Sonow's which
Speaker 3: you can read if you want, not going to read
Speaker 3: them out for you, but this will very clearly target
Speaker 3: black service people the most. And I don't think that's
Speaker 3: a coincidence. And as we see from the picture of
Speaker 3: the black soldiers shaving in the in the release that
Speaker 3: they sent out there, this is happening at the same
Speaker 3: time as the arrested his stuff, right, and at the
Speaker 3: same time as we've seen trans folks removed from the military.
Speaker 3: As Heagfest seems to be going pretty hard on removing
Speaker 3: women from combat roles. He's previously been more out right
Speaker 3: in that this time he's in his speech he was
Speaker 3: talking about how women, if they could meet the same
Speaker 3: standards as men, would be welcoming combat roles, but they
Speaker 3: wouldn't qute unquote lower the standards. The whole thing was
Speaker 3: pretty remarkable to see heg Theift lecturing, you know, people
Speaker 3: who have spent collectively maybe hundreds of years in combat, right.
Speaker 2: People spent decades losing wars. Yeah, yeah, decades of period
Speaker 2: of time.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean centuries between them, right, But explaining
Speaker 3: how warfare works to people who have vastly more experience
Speaker 3: in it than him. Yes, I'm basically telling them it's
Speaker 3: not a myth that we haven't seen from fascist states before. Right.
Speaker 3: The soldiers were fine, but they were betrayed by the
Speaker 3: politicians in the generals. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is nothing new. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but but it was still kind of remarkable to see
Speaker 3: heg theft delivering it to the generals.
Speaker 2: And specifically, both he and Trump made statements about if
Speaker 2: the generals and animals do not like what Trump and
Speaker 2: Hexer were saying, they should just resign, they should just leave.
Speaker 5: I've never walked into a room so solid before. This
Speaker 5: is very don't left, don't live if you're not allowed
Speaker 5: to do that. You know, I just have a good time.
Speaker 5: And if you want to applaud, you applaud. And if
Speaker 5: you want to do anything you want, you can do
Speaker 5: anything you want. And if you don't like what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: you can leave the room. Of course, there goes your rank,
Speaker 5: there goes your future. But you just feel nice and loose, okay,
Speaker 5: because we're all on the same team.
Speaker 2: Part of this is because Trump just wants more loyalists
Speaker 2: in the upper brass of the military. Like that's part
Speaker 2: of this process. That's why he doesn't want millies. He
Speaker 2: doesn't want people that will deny him. He wants just
Speaker 2: a complete loyalist government, and that includes the military.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And if that means that we're going to have a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of generals and animals resigned because of hig
Speaker 2: Seth and Trump's anti woke granting, then that's a desirable
Speaker 2: outcome for the administration at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Speaking of war Chicago, Yeah, I mean the scenes that
Speaker 6: I have seen the most frequently described as war or
Speaker 6: looking like war this week have come out of Chicago,
Speaker 6: where on Tuesday the thirtieth, there was one of the
Speaker 6: most brutal raids that we've seen from the Feds yet
Speaker 6: in any city. This took place in South Shore, which
Speaker 6: is a ninety percent black neighborhood on the South side
Speaker 6: of Chicago, where a whole bunch of immigrants who. I
Speaker 6: don't know if people remember when Texas and a bunch
Speaker 6: of other states in the South started busing immigrants up
Speaker 6: to cities in the north. Chicago is one of the
Speaker 6: ones where that happened. A lot a lot of these
Speaker 6: people ended up in South Shore and there was a
Speaker 6: massive raid on an apartment complex in the South Shore.
Speaker 6: Agents showed up in a combination of moving vans, sort
Speaker 6: of unmarked vans, and armored vehicles. It's still unclear exactly
Speaker 6: how many people were taken. We so don't know. Estimates
Speaker 6: at the time suggested about forty. It's very unclear. What
Speaker 6: we do know about the raid was that it was
Speaker 6: absolutely brutal. A bunch of a bunch of the initial
Speaker 6: reports thought that they had been shooting, but there hadn't
Speaker 6: been shooting. What there had been was that they blew
Speaker 6: into this apartment complex with flash bank grenades.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty common for people to mistake those two yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah. And these are just you know, these are just
Speaker 6: regular people who suddenly at one in the morning, a
Speaker 6: bunch of explosions start going off. There's a whole bunch
Speaker 6: of pictures that you can see in various articles about
Speaker 6: this of doors torn off their hinges. The agents did
Speaker 6: a I think this is a classic Chicago police tactic,
Speaker 6: but you know, they just went through and just started
Speaker 6: grabbing everyone's stuff and tearing through it and throwing it
Speaker 6: onto the ground. There were black Hawk helicopters like constantly
Speaker 6: circling this just random apartment complex. There was a massive
Speaker 6: FBI presence alongside border patrol and Ice. Yeah, it's also
Speaker 6: worth mentioning that Independent book Club Chicago, which is one
Speaker 6: of the very sort of prominent independent local media outlets there,
Speaker 6: obtained a picture from a neighbor who was like next
Speaker 6: to the raid that show Chicago Police Department on the scene,
Speaker 6: which they are there expressly forbidden like by state law
Speaker 6: from assisting in immigration enforcement. It is worth reading this
Speaker 6: article in order to see this quote quote. We did
Speaker 6: not participate in or assist with any immigration enforcement, spokesperson
Speaker 6: Maggie he Un said in a statement, followed immediately by
Speaker 6: pictures that clearly show a CBD car on the scene
Speaker 6: of this raid. Yeah, this raid is a really significant
Speaker 6: escalation of force in a sea that has I mean,
Speaker 6: I've already seen ice literally shoot someone and kill them.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I'm going to quote this from Tribe, which
Speaker 6: is another independent news outlet in collaboration with Unraffled Press.
Speaker 6: Veronica Castro, if the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights,
Speaker 6: at a press conference, said quote, this looked like hundreds
Speaker 6: of masked agents knocking down doors and dragging families out
Speaker 6: in the middle of the night, holding babies that were unclothed.
Speaker 6: Castro added, so people from their homes in the middle
Speaker 6: of the night, holding naked babies because people haven't had time,
Speaker 6: Like they're not giving people time to like even put
Speaker 6: clothes on something. You see a lot in the accounts
Speaker 6: of this. I'm gonna read some more from an account
Speaker 6: from ABC. As I got to my unit to stick
Speaker 6: my key in the door, I was grabbed by an
Speaker 6: officer and I said, what's going on? What's going on?
Speaker 6: He never actually told me. He said I was being detained,
Speaker 6: said Alicia Books. Neighbors like Ebony Watson say they duck
Speaker 6: for covers. They heard several flashbangs. They was terrified. The
Speaker 6: kids was crying, people was screaming. They looked very distraught.
Speaker 6: I was out there when I seen the little girl
Speaker 6: coming around the corner, because they was bringing the kids
Speaker 6: down too, had them zip tied to each other. Watson said,
Speaker 6: that's all. I kept asking, what is the morality? Where
Speaker 6: is the human One of them literally laughed he was
Speaker 6: standing right there. He said, fucking kids. So that is
Speaker 6: what these raids are looking like now. It is again
Speaker 6: also worth noting that like this, this is a very
Speaker 6: significant escalation of force. They are zip tying children to
Speaker 6: each other as they dragged them from their homes at
Speaker 6: one in the morning and saying fucking kids.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And this also marks what seems to be a pretty
Speaker 6: large pivot away from the areas they've been targeting before,
Speaker 6: which hand to be the suburbs in the outlying areas,
Speaker 6: and into very very majority, the majority black.
Speaker 2: Parts of Chicago.
Speaker 6: And we're gonna talk more about this next week with
Speaker 6: journalists who's been on the ground.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, for example, a couple of hours before we
Speaker 6: recorded this episode. So there are sparse details, but there
Speaker 6: is a video that shows the Feds just two hands
Speaker 6: on neck choking a black man in East Garfield Park.
Speaker 6: It's deeply unclear why this is happening, but they are
Speaker 6: just doing this now, and what we have so far,
Speaker 6: we don't know why they were doing this. But this
Speaker 6: is also one thing I think is very alarming. This
Speaker 6: is also reported by Tribe. There is a video from
Speaker 6: this where an agent is recorded saying, just so you
Speaker 6: guys know, this is not an immigration enforcement action. The
Speaker 6: agent goes on to say they were responding to a
Speaker 6: robbery in progress. All we know about is there was
Speaker 6: a car crash and they just started choking this guy.
Speaker 6: It's unclear exactly what's going on with this. There probably
Speaker 6: will be more details by the time this episode is
Speaker 6: going out, but the Feds are just doing this stuff
Speaker 6: every day in Chicago, I mean, just randomly choking black
Speaker 6: people on the street. And this massive, hideous raid and
Speaker 6: Sushore are pretty significant escalations in places that haven't been
Speaker 6: targeting before. And it's hard to see this ending anytime
Speaker 6: soon or they're you know, things getting any better from here,
Speaker 6: especially with the sort of you know, as you were
Speaker 6: mentioned earlier, there hasn't been really any sign of like
Speaker 6: an intensification in federal violence in Portland, but in Chicago
Speaker 6: there absolutely has been. And yeah, it's horrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So talking of intensification of federal activity, I guess
Speaker 3: according to a notice posted in the Federal Register, DHS
Speaker 3: is going to use the Cultural, Environmental and Historical Protection
Speaker 3: Waiver that we reported about that came out this spring
Speaker 3: to force through war construction in the San Diego sector.
Speaker 3: I am guessing that in part we will see this
Speaker 3: used to wave one of the acts that is waves
Speaker 3: the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act. And I'm
Speaker 3: guessing in part that this will be used to waive
Speaker 3: that right because Kumei ancestors are in these areas and
Speaker 3: in at the end tail end of the previous Tramp administration.
Speaker 3: I reported on this for Sierra, which is a magazine
Speaker 3: of the Sierra Club. Kumii people were using ceremony, So
Speaker 3: they were participating in ceremony every day at construction sites
Speaker 3: in order to slow down the clock, and they also
Speaker 3: filed a lawsuit. Right, but they were trying to basically
Speaker 3: run out the clock on the Trump administration. In twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: they successfully in some areas prevented some construction, but with
Speaker 3: the waiver of Nagpray, it's hard to see how they
Speaker 3: will be able to do that. They also wave a
Speaker 3: bunch of other acts that Eagle Protection Act, Environmental microtrect
Speaker 3: Bird Treatise, a bunch of other acts. Right, this comes
Speaker 3: on the same week as Secretary of War Headths restored
Speaker 3: medals of honor to soldiers at Wounded Knee. If people
Speaker 3: are not familiar, this is not the episode where I
Speaker 3: do a history of things sort of happened at Wounded
Speaker 3: Knee Creek. But this was the largest mass shooting in
Speaker 3: US history.
Speaker 2: This was just a slaughter.
Speaker 3: Hundreds of unarmed Lacta civilians were murdered by the United
Speaker 3: States military in the battle.
Speaker 2: This was just a massacre.
Speaker 3: There were significant casualties for the US military, most of
Speaker 3: them were caused by the US military, a friendly fire
Speaker 3: and completely disorganized slaughter of civilians. There was a standoff
Speaker 3: at Wounded Lee later in the nineteen seventies in which
Speaker 3: two Indigenous people died one went missing. You can read
Speaker 3: Mary brave Bird's book about that if you want a
Speaker 3: first hand account fat it's very good book. But yeah,
Speaker 3: Hegseth is doing this, I think because Lloyd Austin had
Speaker 3: previously ordered a review of those medals, because they weren't fighting,
Speaker 3: they were just killing people. Therefore, it makes sense, you know,
Speaker 3: that led to strip these these medals of honor, in
Speaker 3: that there was very little honor in what they did.
Speaker 3: Hegseth has restored those very amusingly, he said, this is final,
Speaker 3: like another SECTEF couldn't just order a review like in
Speaker 3: four years and change it again. CBP has also issued
Speaker 3: a request for comments here in San Diego about its
Speaker 3: plans to build seven point six miles of war west
Speaker 3: of Dakat as well as one point three miles of
Speaker 3: wall east of Dakat, more secondary barrier east of O
Speaker 3: tim Mesa, and install or maintain fifty one miles of
Speaker 3: quote barrier system attributes, which may include fiber uptic cables,
Speaker 3: lighting poles, artificial lights, power cables, surveillance cameras, access and
Speaker 3: patrol roads, and utility shelters.
Speaker 2: What this would do.
Speaker 3: I think most people who haven't spent time at the
Speaker 3: border in not aware that there are vast gaps in
Speaker 3: the border wall right, and this would close some of those.
Speaker 3: There are still gaps east of this area. When a
Speaker 3: lot of people were entering in twenty twenty three, they
Speaker 3: were coming east of here in a more mountainous area.
Speaker 3: But this will close existing gaps in the wall around
Speaker 3: takat Ara and Marin Valley. I imagine that after that
Speaker 3: they will continue to move east the areas where there
Speaker 3: are gaps. Some of the area's where the gaps for
Speaker 3: the east aren't that hard to access. Some of them
Speaker 3: would be very hard to access with construction machinery, and
Speaker 3: therefore they'd have to spend a long time building a
Speaker 3: road before they could even begin building the wall. Reuters
Speaker 3: has conducted a review of more than two million court
Speaker 3: records and concluded that federal prosecution of drug cases, especially
Speaker 3: those of high profile traffickers, have dropped to the lowest
Speaker 3: level in decades. Fell forward again a word, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean normally you would see things like racketeering, money laundering,
Speaker 3: conspiracy charges, right, but these are down twenty four percent
Speaker 3: compared to last year. Even ongoing investigations have stalled as
Speaker 3: a federal law enforcement apparatus is focusing the vast majority
Speaker 3: of its people on deporting people who have not been
Speaker 3: accused of any crime.
Speaker 2: Really, and even just like the regular FBI investigative capacity,
Speaker 2: it has been shifted massive large extents towards just immigration enforcement.
Speaker 2: So they're not they're actually just not going after as
Speaker 2: much like actual crime.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think some agencies like the Bureau of Alcohol
Speaker 3: to back of firearms and explosive for example, I think
Speaker 3: have the majority of their agents tasks to immigration rates
Speaker 3: right now. The FBI one agent described what he had
Speaker 3: been tasked with as quote photo op bullshit shit, which
Speaker 3: was taking photos of their teams on and before raids
Speaker 3: for use by the ADF and the White House in
Speaker 3: social media posts. So they do appay to have. I've
Speaker 3: lost the support of even some federal law enforcement. Talking
Speaker 3: of federal law enforcement, we have also learned this week
Speaker 3: about an FBI operation during the Biden administration during which
Speaker 3: Tom Homan allegedly accepted fifty thousand dollars in cash. What
Speaker 3: you didn't hear about the Tom Homan bag of Yeah,
Speaker 3: what a joy to be able to share this with
Speaker 3: you going to get better, Just just keep it, keep
Speaker 3: simmered down, a simmer down, simmer down, sima down. So
Speaker 3: Tom Homan, for those who are not familiar, is Trump's
Speaker 3: borders are and a longtime border security official dating back
Speaker 3: to the Biden administration. Let's find out about how they
Speaker 3: got on to Tom Homan said that there was fifty
Speaker 3: dollars in care but for what Just wait wait, wait
Speaker 3: wait wait. Another Obama era I staffer, Juliancalderas, who agents
Speaker 3: undercover agents had contacted as part of a separate investigation,
Speaker 3: repeatedly suggested to the agents that they may wish to
Speaker 3: bribe Homan in order to obtain government contracts. Kyl Deris
Speaker 3: repeatedly suggested this to the undercover agents, so much so
Speaker 3: that they diverted their investigation and set up this investigation.
Speaker 3: They gave Home and the money, but waited to see
Speaker 3: what he would do in office in order to see.
Speaker 3: I guess they felt they would have a stronger case
Speaker 3: if he came back to them and said, you know,
Speaker 3: I have these five federal contracts, which one would you like?
Speaker 3: The Trump DOJ took no further steps to investigate and
Speaker 3: has closed the investigation. According to NBC, the Trump administration
Speaker 3: is claiming this was a set up by the FBI,
Speaker 3: but of course the investigation occurred in September of twenty four,
Speaker 3: so before the election. Again, it was not an investigation
Speaker 3: that they started on. It branched off because car Thereus
Speaker 3: repeatedly suggested that they should continue to they should try
Speaker 3: and bribe Home. The agents who who did this operation
Speaker 3: were posing his businessman trying to get government contracts. Right, OK,
Speaker 3: This might explain so Homan was a big time Trump affiliate, right,
Speaker 3: big time Trump supporting. Yeah, people were suggesting that he
Speaker 3: might be made Secretary of Homeland Security. This might be
Speaker 3: why we will never know official right, This might explain
Speaker 3: why he's been given a slightly less formal role which
Speaker 3: I don't believe. He has to pass through Congress, which
Speaker 3: is quite unquote borders za.
Speaker 2: This is like the level of normalized corruption which exists
Speaker 2: in every level of this administration is like remember when
Speaker 2: they just could not stop talking about Hunter hide in
Speaker 2: it all the time. And meanwhile you have like like
Speaker 2: you know, like all of like Jared Kushner's dealings with
Speaker 2: like Saudi is the tom hooman getting fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: in cash, Yeah, recover he'sents posing US businessman to help
Speaker 2: obtain like government contracts. It's like an absurd comical cartoon world.
Speaker 3: So it's Keystone cop shit. We don't know if he's
Speaker 3: given the cash back.
Speaker 6: Oh that cash, Oh god, so much cocaine, Like I
Speaker 6: could either confirm her did I?
Speaker 3: It was spent on cocaine? Yeah, a world incidence of corruption.
Speaker 2: Oh god.
Speaker 3: Finally, I want to talk about Venezuela. In Venezuela, it
Speaker 3: seems that Stephen Miller has been taking the lead on
Speaker 3: strikes on alleged drug smugglers. According to a Guardian piece,
Speaker 3: the strikes have been authorized by the Homeland Security count Shure.
Speaker 3: That's a body that Miller leaves, which has massively grown
Speaker 3: in influence since the Trump administration. It seems like most
Speaker 3: people in the administration were pretty much kept in the
Speaker 3: duck about this until very shortly before the strikes took place.
Speaker 3: They were just find under the Article two powers, which
Speaker 3: give the president authority to use force in limited self
Speaker 3: defense engagements. But it seems like Miller is the pun
Speaker 3: driving the ship on this increased violence that we're seeing
Speaker 3: against Venezuela.
Speaker 2: All right, we are back for our final story this episode.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about the National Security Presidential Memorandums
Speaker 2: number seven, titled Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence,
Speaker 2: which was signed by President Donald Trump on Thursday, September
Speaker 2: twenty fifth. This relates in many ways to the Antifa
Speaker 2: Domestic Terrorism Executive Order from last week, but this memo
Speaker 2: is a lot more clear in outlining actual policy changes
Speaker 2: that will affect law enforcement investigations. So let's go over
Speaker 2: the four sections of this very very long memo. I've
Speaker 2: tried to condense it down as much as possible, but
Speaker 2: there is some good information in here too.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: Section one asserts that there's been an increase in political
Speaker 2: violence in recent years, with assassinations and quote unquote riots
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles and Portland, which have resulted into more
Speaker 2: than one thousand percent increase in attacks against ice officers
Speaker 2: since Trump's inauguration two point zero. The memo states that
Speaker 2: riots and violence aren't organic events or isolated incidents, but
Speaker 2: in fact, quote a culmination of a sophisticated, organized campaigns
Speaker 2: of targeted intimidation, radicalization, threats, and violence designed to silence
Speaker 2: of posting speech, limit political activity, change or direct policy outcomes,
Speaker 2: and prevent the functioning of a democratic society. Unquote.
Speaker 3: If we've spoken about the statistic about attacks and ICE
Speaker 3: officers before and how that's very misleading.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean an ICE officer is attacked when of
Speaker 2: ice officer's fist encounters the face of a child that's
Speaker 2: Latino grandmother.
Speaker 3: R yes, uh, Latina grandmother in that case.
Speaker 2: Well, and a lot of this talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: riots is not organized depends us at an incidents what
Speaker 2: they describe here is this like a culmination of the
Speaker 2: sophisticated campaign. This is just describing like the process of
Speaker 2: like what protesting is right trying to direct or change
Speaker 2: policy outcomes, which comes up a lot in these like
Speaker 2: domestic terrorism laws, which when over applied to just nonviolent
Speaker 2: acts of speech, just start infringing upon very standard First
Speaker 2: Amendment activity.
Speaker 3: It's one of the five fundamental freedoms of the First Amendment,
Speaker 3: right like the right to assemble. The right was several
Speaker 3: of them, actually, the right to assemble, the right to speak,
Speaker 3: the right to petition the government, like these are fundamental.
Speaker 2: The right to twitch stream at a riot as a
Speaker 2: free member of the press.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, that's not a right that I choose to exercise,
Speaker 3: but I guess it is one that exists. But you
Speaker 3: and I have you were important and I was in
Speaker 3: Los Angeles. Like the idea that these cities were fundamentally
Speaker 3: like damaged by these protests, it's just not true.
Speaker 2: Well, and they're not just talking about damage from riots,
Speaker 2: they're also talking about, you know, effects on individual citizens.
Speaker 2: This memo describes how these you know, organized campaigns start
Speaker 2: by quote isolating and dehumanizing specific targets to justify murder
Speaker 2: or other violent action unquote, claiming that this process happens
Speaker 2: across quote anonymous chat forums, in person meetings, the social media,
Speaker 2: and even educational institutions. These campaigns then escalate to organized
Speaker 2: docsing with the explicit intent of encouraging others to harass, intimidate,
Speaker 2: or violently assault targets en quote.
Speaker 3: I mean this is what the right has done to
Speaker 3: like express especially migrants and trand people right for for
Speaker 3: a very long time. Anonymous chat forums. And do they
Speaker 3: mean a.
Speaker 2: Reddit credits telegram maybe?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I know that some subreddits have been
Speaker 3: closed since the issuing of this memorandum, which and wondering
Speaker 3: if it is related.
Speaker 2: Not explicitly, but like I think this memos would be
Speaker 2: in this section like referring to things akin to ice Watch.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense as
Speaker 3: well as.
Speaker 2: You know standard like you know, anti fascist action against
Speaker 2: like legitimate neo Nazis, which, yeah, the right is not
Speaker 2: against a dooxing as a practice, as we have seen
Speaker 2: a few weeks with the state sponsored organized doxing harassment
Speaker 2: campaigns against people for their comments about the death of
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk. Yeah, the memo goes on to list a
Speaker 2: collection of quote common recurrent motivations and indica or indicators
Speaker 2: that unite this pattern of violence and terroristic activities under
Speaker 2: the umbrella of self described anti fascism. These movements portray
Speaker 2: foundational American principles support for law enforcement and border control
Speaker 2: as fascist to justify and encourage acts of a violent revolution.
Speaker 2: Common threads animating this violent conduct include anti Americanism, anti
Speaker 2: cap anti Christianity, support for the overthrow of the United
Speaker 2: States government, extremism on migration, race and gender, and hostility
Speaker 2: towards those who hold traditional American views on family, religion,
Speaker 2: and morality unquote. So in so far as this memo
Speaker 2: has been reported, it's mostly been on this specific section here,
Speaker 2: listing the indicators that could be driving terroristic acts under
Speaker 2: the umbrella of anti fascism, including all of these beliefs
Speaker 2: that people are allowed to hold in the United States
Speaker 2: due to the rights granted to us and the Bill
Speaker 2: of Rights in the Constitution.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the hypocrisi is the point, and it's
Speaker 3: sometimes not worth it. It's not the point, but it's
Speaker 3: not particularly you know, it doesn't change anything I'm pointing out,
Speaker 3: But I will just point out that the idea that
Speaker 3: border control is a foundational American principle is not true.
Speaker 3: That it was not until the Chinese Exclusion Act that
Speaker 3: the United States began to exclude anyone from coming here,
Speaker 3: and that was in the nineteenth century. History understanders will
Speaker 3: have noticed, so the United States began at some point
Speaker 3: before the nineteenth century.
Speaker 2: One thing I will say regarding this section, some reporting
Speaker 2: around this memo is framing things like, you know, anti
Speaker 2: capitalism or anti Christianity is now that is going to
Speaker 2: be used as evidence that you are a terrorist. That
Speaker 2: is not the explicit way is written about in this memo.
Speaker 2: These are indicators which if some investigator sees on a
Speaker 2: Twitter account or a blue Sky account, could then cause
Speaker 2: them to investigate further into this personal group. But it's
Speaker 2: not like just expressing these things will itself deem you
Speaker 2: a terrorist and be putting you in jail. And this
Speaker 2: does rely on action. Now, the memo does go on
Speaker 2: to talk about trying to prevent crime before it happens.
Speaker 2: I think this would be more in the way of
Speaker 2: how the FBI tries to set up like sting operations
Speaker 2: or catch people who are planning a violent act before
Speaker 2: they actually do it. Yeah, as we've even seen the
Speaker 2: past few weeks with people being arrested for planning retaliation
Speaker 2: attacks following the death of Charlie Kirk. This has happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, the memo calls for a new national law enforcement
Speaker 2: strategy to quote investigate all participants in these criminal and
Speaker 2: terroristic conspiracies and disrupt networks, entities and organizations that foment
Speaker 2: political violence. That law enforcement can intervene in criminal conspiracies
Speaker 2: before they result in violent political acts unquote. So that
Speaker 2: is the pre crime aspect of this order which they
Speaker 2: could use some of these beliefs like right extremism on
Speaker 2: migration or race or gender, anti americanism as justification to
Speaker 2: start investigating groups, which then arrests could follow prior to
Speaker 2: imminent violent act as deemed by federal law enforcement.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, in theory, the role of the effectially
Speaker 3: federal law enforcement has always been to investigate people who
Speaker 3: were planning violent or terroristic acts. The difference here that
Speaker 3: this is being specifically framed around a certain group, and
Speaker 3: this probably will lead to more attempts by their more
Speaker 3: surveillance on people within exactly groups.
Speaker 2: Right now, this is very worrying in terms of like surveillance,
Speaker 2: suppressing speech, chilling speech, because what they're qualifying as violent
Speaker 2: terroristic gas is just ordinary protest activity, first man protests activity,
Speaker 2: non government organizations that support progressive causes or values. That's
Speaker 2: the real concern here.
Speaker 3: It's worth stating here that in Los Angeles, for example,
Speaker 3: a number of grand juries did not return indictments of
Speaker 3: people who were accused of quite serious crimes that the
Speaker 3: grand jury did not think it was reasonable to indict
Speaker 3: them for right. This is unusual. Most federal prosecutions do
Speaker 3: result ultimately in a guilty plea right because they bring
Speaker 3: very strong cases when they bring them. But it's worth
Speaker 3: noting that the specifically, like the US Attorney's Office in
Speaker 3: Los Angeles, has not stuck their landing on all of
Speaker 3: its attempts to indict people for things that they did
Speaker 3: during that time of protest in June.
Speaker 2: In terms of like implementation, the memo says, quote law
Speaker 2: enforcement will disband and uproot networks entities and organizations that
Speaker 2: promote organized violence, violent intimidation, conspiracies against rights, and other
Speaker 2: efforts to disrupt the functioning of a democratic society. Unquote
Speaker 2: networks entities organizations. These refer to like established organizations, like
Speaker 2: actual like formed groups that have political activity. Now, Section
Speaker 2: two outlines how the National Joint Terrorism Task Force will
Speaker 2: quote unquote coordinate and supervise a new comprehensive national strategy
Speaker 2: and orders the local Joint Terrorism Task Force around the
Speaker 2: country to quote investigate potential federal crimes relating to acts
Speaker 2: of recruiting or radicalizing persons for the purpose of political violence, terrorism,
Speaker 2: conspiracy against rights, or the violent deprivation of any citizens'
Speaker 2: rights unquote. The GDTFS, Joint Terrors and Passport will also
Speaker 2: investigate institutional and individual funders, including employees of organizations which
Speaker 2: are quote responsible for sponsor or otherwise the A and
Speaker 2: EVET the principal actors engaging in the criminal conduct as
Speaker 2: previously described.
Speaker 3: That's a broad neet, right, There's.
Speaker 2: A lot of this stuff, like the anti for order
Speaker 2: also alluded to this. Trump's statements made in the Oval
Speaker 2: Office have alluded to this going after funders, foreign funders,
Speaker 2: whether that's the groups like the ACLU or like bail
Speaker 2: funds they mentioned George Sorows very often, Yeah, the Open
Speaker 2: Society Foundation, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Think the right has had a fascination with sorrows for
Speaker 3: a long time, Right, They've been looking for a reason
Speaker 3: to either exclude Sorrows from participation in US politics and
Speaker 3: just to be like obviously, I think most people realize this,
Speaker 3: but that that fascination is rooted deeply in antisemitis, and
Speaker 3: George Soros is a Holocaust survivor, and there has been
Speaker 3: like an attempt to find reasons to exclude sorrows from
Speaker 3: US political activity for some time. I think it's reasonable
Speaker 3: to see this in that trend.
Speaker 2: This sort of like big organizations foreign organizations is also
Speaker 2: mentioned in this memo and saying the investigation will include
Speaker 2: NGOs and American citizens with foreign ties that could be
Speaker 2: in violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act or quote
Speaker 2: money laundering by funding, creating, or supporting entities that engaging
Speaker 2: activities that support encouraged domestic terrorism unquote. The memo states
Speaker 2: that the Attorney General shall issue guidance which ensures that
Speaker 2: domestic terrorism priorities include quote politically motivated terrorist acts such
Speaker 2: as organized docsing campaigns, swatting, rioting, looting, trespass, assault, damage
Speaker 2: of property, threats of violence, and civil disorder. The guides
Speaker 2: shall also include an identification of any behaviors, fact patterns,
Speaker 2: recurrent motivations, or other indica common to organizations and these
Speaker 2: that coordinate these acts in order to direct efforts to
Speaker 2: identify and prevent potential violent activity. Unquote. This is a
Speaker 2: worrying list of things that are not domestic terrorism that
Speaker 2: they're going to try to claim our domestic terrorism. Trespass. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like trespassing is now domestic terrorism. That's not a great
Speaker 2: thing for the Attorney General to be issuing guidance on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, civil disorder is a very broad and somewhat nebulous term, right, Like.
Speaker 2: Are they going to call the organized doxing campaigns that
Speaker 2: the right is doing right now domestic terrorism? No, of
Speaker 2: course not right, These things are just taking form for
Speaker 2: explicit like political prosecution, for the political ends of Trump administration.
Speaker 3: I think the goal hit like some of these are
Speaker 3: reason even a statue, right, Like, I'm not aware of
Speaker 3: a broad federal doxing statute aside from you know, certain
Speaker 3: specific instances where it might be a crime to reveal
Speaker 3: someone's address.
Speaker 2: Violent intimidation of probably like federal law enforcement would be
Speaker 2: one thing that they go after.
Speaker 3: Yeah, federal law enforcement people with protective orders that kind
Speaker 3: of thing, right, And yeah, there are probably ways of
Speaker 3: doing that, but I think a lot of this is
Speaker 3: intended to have a chilling effect on speech and organizing.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, the Treasury Secretary will work with EA turn in
Speaker 2: general to quote identify and disrupt financial networks at funded
Speaker 2: domestic terrorism and political activity, and shall deploy investigative tools,
Speaker 2: examine financial flows, and coordinate with partner agencies to trace
Speaker 2: illicit funding streams unquote. Again, very obsessed with this idea
Speaker 2: that there's tons of money that is funding Antifa, which
Speaker 2: if you know anyone under the Antifa umbrella, you know
Speaker 2: that they are extremely bro Yeah, yeah, this is left
Speaker 2: wing protesters are not the most financially stable budget. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's not this illicit funding streams. This is a huge,
Speaker 2: a huge idea that the right has like latched on.
Speaker 3: Ironically, this is something that the right shares with the
Speaker 3: authoritarian left. Actually, the idea that people can't act independently
Speaker 3: unless there is a large, well funded actor motivating them
Speaker 3: to act. It's something that because the authoritarian right and
Speaker 3: the authoritarian left agree on some things, and one of
Speaker 3: them is that like people can't take the initiative to act, right,
Speaker 3: that there has to be some kind of vanguard in
Speaker 3: the case of the authoritarian left, or nefarious funder in
Speaker 3: the case of the authoritarian right. And so this this
Speaker 3: lines up with the way that they understand the world.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, and I was talking specifically here in
Speaker 2: terms of like regular people on the ground attending protests.
Speaker 2: There's like big, big groups like you know, often like
Speaker 2: you know, communist A line groups that may be receiving funding,
Speaker 2: possibly from foreign sources. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for real, But
Speaker 2: I do not believe that is what this order is,
Speaker 2: at least this section is actually wanting to go after.
Speaker 2: That might be what they in the end actually end
Speaker 2: up targeting, end up sweeping up because it's the only
Speaker 2: thing that actually has like you know, foreign funding. But
Speaker 2: like you know, capital a Antifa teenagers with like umbrellas
Speaker 2: showing up in front of an ice building are not
Speaker 2: receiving money from like Iran, China or Russia.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, as you say, it might be large as
Speaker 3: Southern Policy Law Center, the ACLU, Open Society Foundation, built.
Speaker 2: Gate Network for Strong Community.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like some of these organizations might be what they're
Speaker 3: trying to drag a net over here.
Speaker 2: Or nonprofits. The next section instructs the IRS to quote
Speaker 2: take action to ensure that no tax exempt entities are
Speaker 2: directly or indirectly financing political violence or domestic terrorism unquote,
Speaker 2: and calls for the IRS to refer suspect organizations and
Speaker 2: their employees to the Department of Justice for investigation and
Speaker 2: possible prosecution.
Speaker 3: It's probably worth noting the context here that there was.
Speaker 3: This is after a twenty ten congressional investigation that found
Speaker 3: out that the IRS had gone after some Tea party groups. Right,
Speaker 3: do you remember the Tea Party Garrison? You or seven
Speaker 3: at that time?
Speaker 2: I remember the Tea Party, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So the feeling here Biden, if you remember, Garrison also
Speaker 3: hired a number of new IRS agents. There was a
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory that the were to provide some kind of armed, massive,
Speaker 3: armed element to the IRS that was going around in
Speaker 3: the Biden administration. I'm sure the IRS had an armed element, right.
Speaker 3: There is not a federal investigative agency that doesn't, like
Speaker 3: the Postal Service, has cops and probably a swat team.
Speaker 3: But there was a feeling on the right that Biden
Speaker 3: mobilized the IRS against right wing individuals, and I can
Speaker 3: see this being the old Pantue'm swinging back in the
Speaker 3: other direction a little bit.
Speaker 2: One of the more interesting sections that I've highlighted of
Speaker 2: the memo instructs investigators to quote question and interrogate individuals
Speaker 2: engaged in political violence or lawlessness regarding the entity or
Speaker 2: individual organizing such actions and any related financial sponsorship prior
Speaker 2: to perfect comjunication or initiation of a plea agreement unquote.
Speaker 2: That's directing like the interrogations of people arrested at protests,
Speaker 2: like specifically go after who funding them to be a protest.
Speaker 2: I'm sure some very fruitful information will come out of
Speaker 2: referring back to our discussion of like, you know, the
Speaker 2: common motivators are Indica, including things you know like anti capitalism,
Speaker 2: anti Americanism, and how those beliefs in and of themselves
Speaker 2: I do not think will be sufficient for declaring someone
Speaker 2: a terrorist and like locking them up. Is because later
Speaker 2: in this memo, the memo directs investigations to quote prioritize
Speaker 2: crimes such as the following assaulting federal officers or employees,
Speaker 2: conspiracy against rights, conspiracy to commit offense, solicitation to commit
Speaker 2: a crime of violence, money laundering, funding of terrorist acts,
Speaker 2: or otherwise facilitating terrorism arson, violations of the u Rico Act,
Speaker 2: and major fraud against the United States unquote. So could
Speaker 2: the government use these indicators to then find groups to target,
Speaker 2: to stick some of these crimes onto groups or organizations. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: that's probably what they're going to do.
Speaker 7: M h.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But these these are the things to like be
Speaker 2: aware of, and they're going to try to, you know,
Speaker 2: slap these on people who are just arrested at protests,
Speaker 2: people who work for NGOs, people who work for legal
Speaker 2: support networks, maybe migrant assistance networks like that's that's going
Speaker 2: to be the target for a lot of these things.
Speaker 2: And we've seen some of these like conspiracy charges in
Speaker 2: San Diego with their with their Antifa prosecution case. We've
Speaker 2: seen similar stuff in Atlanta with Stop Cop City. Right,
Speaker 2: there is precedent for this. We've seen the state try
Speaker 2: to and to a degree of success and failure, actually
Speaker 2: push these charges forward.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The panic that those two cases created, I think, and
Speaker 3: we we're still pre you know, trial in the Atlantic case, right,
Speaker 3: trials in progress. Yeah, yeah, sorry, pre uh, I guess
Speaker 3: a conclusion of that trial.
Speaker 2: But the current indication is that most of these record
Speaker 2: charges are not going to stick.
Speaker 3: Yes, and most of the conspiracy charges and San Diego
Speaker 3: did not write and most of those people ended up
Speaker 3: not being convicted of all the things they were accused of.
Speaker 3: I do see the major fraud against the United States,
Speaker 3: and I think that's probably going to use against NGOs.
Speaker 3: I do also wonder they have spoken before about the
Speaker 3: Payroll Protection Plan and looking at PPP fraud.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean financial crimes are always are always really scary,
Speaker 2: right like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like a lot of nonprofits, you know, like
Speaker 3: people undoubtedly given a scare of the PPP people abused it.
Speaker 3: I think nonprofits would be a lot more buttoned up
Speaker 3: than almost anyone else in that regard, you know, these
Speaker 3: especially these big liberal nonprofits. But that is an area
Speaker 3: which I'm sure that the Trump I R s will
Speaker 3: be looking at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they might even try to slap these on
Speaker 2: people making jokes or quote unquote threats online right solicitation
Speaker 2: to commit a crime of violence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Yeah. People shouldn't be saying stupid shit on
Speaker 3: social media right.
Speaker 2: Now, which which is absolutely like a chilling speech, right
Speaker 2: that is that that is a bad thing. But you
Speaker 2: don't want to give these people extra ammunition to use
Speaker 2: against yourself. Right now.
Speaker 3: Fighting words are not always like First Amendment speech right
Speaker 3: now now, Like I'm no expect in where that starts
Speaker 3: and where that ends. But yet, yeah, like in terms
Speaker 3: of not doing stupid things, like this is not a
Speaker 3: time to do stupid things on your posting website of choice.
Speaker 2: Section two closes by calling for investigators in federal police
Speaker 2: to quote adopt strategies similar to those used to address
Speaker 2: violent crime and organized crime to disrupt and dismantle entire
Speaker 2: networks of criminal activity unquote. So yeah, especially with all
Speaker 2: this financial stuff, money laundering, rico, conspiracy charges, they're basically
Speaker 2: using or they want to use like tactics to take
Speaker 2: down like organized crime rings just targeting their political enemies,
Speaker 2: targeting political organizations and people who attend protests like that
Speaker 2: is that is the real gist of this memo. Section
Speaker 2: three instructs the Eturney General to designate qualifying groups or
Speaker 2: entities under investigation as domestic terrorist organizations per the definition
Speaker 2: of domestic terrorism in eighteen USC. Two three three one five,
Speaker 2: and to submit a list of such groups to the
Speaker 2: President of the United States. And Section four instructs the
Speaker 2: Attorney General and Secretary of Homeland Security to designate domestic
Speaker 2: terrorism a National Priority area and provide extra funding for
Speaker 2: law enforcement to quote, detect, prevent, and protect against threats
Speaker 2: arising from this area. That is the bulk of the
Speaker 2: National Security Presdential Memorandum number seven, promising to chill speech
Speaker 2: and go after political opponents and organizations, entities and individuals
Speaker 2: and employees of organizations. Yeah, very very undemocratic, very very
Speaker 2: on its face authoritarian. Yeah, you don't even need like
Speaker 2: like allegations of political targets. Like they're writing down how
Speaker 2: they want to do political targeting, they're bragging about it.
Speaker 3: It's really what briefly want to raise the example of
Speaker 3: the flag burning. Right, so Donald Trump signed an executive
Speaker 3: order ordering the Justice Department to investigate flag burning earlier
Speaker 3: this year. I can't quite remember when. Subsequently, someone called
Speaker 3: jan Carey of North Carolina was arrested after they burned
Speaker 3: a flag, an American flag, just to be clear outside
Speaker 3: the White House, I guess the flag burning executive order
Speaker 3: doesn't apply to like you're you know, like anime flag
Speaker 3: or whatever, specifically about the flag of the United States,
Speaker 3: something which I think Johnson versus Texas is a Supreme
Speaker 3: Court case, right, But there is a considerable amount of
Speaker 3: legal precedent, that is First Amendment speech. Kerry was arrested.
Speaker 3: What is being missed in the discussion is that Kerry
Speaker 3: was charged with two misdemeanor crimes. One was for lighting
Speaker 3: a fire not in a designated area and receptacle. The
Speaker 3: other was for lighting a fire in a manner that
Speaker 3: threatened to cause damage to a resulted in the burning
Speaker 3: of property, real property and park resources. These are both
Speaker 3: offensives and you can be incarcerated or fined for I
Speaker 3: want people to know that, right Like, he was not
Speaker 3: arrested because of the executive order, although the executive order
Speaker 3: may very much influenced the climate which led to his
Speaker 3: arrest in charge with these other things, but he wasn't
Speaker 3: charged with violating the executive order because that is not
Speaker 3: how it works.
Speaker 2: They can't change the law with executive orders or presidential memorandums.
Speaker 2: What they can do is direct how the law will
Speaker 2: be enforced or policy guidelines, right, and that's what this
Speaker 2: is affecting. Right now, all of these branches, like the DHS,
Speaker 2: Justice Department, Federal Police are going to be following the
Speaker 2: policy guidelines and outlines established in this memo to then
Speaker 2: try to enforce the laws that we have, some of
Speaker 2: which they will probably find ways to do it, and
Speaker 2: sometimes they won't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a very broad range of statute's criminalizing
Speaker 3: a very large range of things, and someone will find
Speaker 3: some way in there to criminalize someone for something that
Speaker 3: might seem on the face of it to be not nefarious.
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean that we have executive legisative fusion.
Speaker 3: We don't write yourself too proind to the government. And
Speaker 3: that is important to remember too.
Speaker 2: No, no laws have been changed criminalizing anti americanism, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is that is an important thing to keep in mind.
Speaker 2: That does not mean that this order is not going
Speaker 2: to chill speech, suppress free speech, or be used to
Speaker 2: criminally target people. Yeah, criminal prosecutions can ruin the lives
Speaker 2: of people for years and years, regardless of the actual outcome, right,
Speaker 2: even if they get off on the charges. And totally
Speaker 2: we want to be clear that we're not like minimizing
Speaker 2: the effects of this, but we do want to actually
Speaker 2: break down what like the threat model is specifically for
Speaker 2: like NGO's legal organizations that help protesters or migrants, LGBTQ organizations, right,
Speaker 2: these are probably going to be the first targets of
Speaker 2: a lot of like the conspiracy fraud sections of disorder. Besides,
Speaker 2: you know protesters that get rounded up and get put
Speaker 2: into into this like political war game that they're playing,
Speaker 2: similar to how regular protesters in Atlanta then found themselves
Speaker 2: suddenly admitst like a three year long Rico domestic terrorism
Speaker 2: case despite not participating in any kind of large organized
Speaker 2: aspect of Stop Coop City. They were just regular attendees.
Speaker 2: So there'll be stuff similar to that that happens throughout
Speaker 2: the next few months to years, and I think that
Speaker 2: is where we should keep our attention focused on mitigating
Speaker 2: the harms of government overreach.
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Speaker 2: Before we close the episode, but I will tease an
Speaker 2: episode for next week. There was a shooting at a
Speaker 2: Mormon church on Sunday, which the right briefly tried to
Speaker 2: turn into like this culture war narrative I attacks on Christianity,
Speaker 2: and then once information about the shooter became more clear,
Speaker 2: they quickly dropped the subject. So on Wednesday, I'll be
Speaker 2: doing an episode talking about this shooting and a few
Speaker 2: others and how various outlets on the right end left
Speaker 2: are only reporting on these big shootings insofar as they
Speaker 2: can turn them into political weapons against the opposition party.
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