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Speaker 2: Happy g October everybody.

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Speaker 3: Oh, shut the fuck up, we can't.

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Speaker 2: This is that could happen here? Executive Disorder, our weekly

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Speaker 2: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,

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Speaker 2: and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis to

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Speaker 2: joint by Mio Wong, Jamestown and Robert Evans. This episode

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Speaker 2: recovering the week of September twenty first to October first.

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Speaker 1: And what a week it was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does not feel like it should be October,

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Speaker 2: but who cares. I guess the government's shut down right now,

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Speaker 2: So all of the dozens of anarchists around the country

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Speaker 2: are rejoicing, uh huh, as the Senate has failed to

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Speaker 2: pass a short term funding bill.

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Speaker 1: That's right, everyone, we did it. We defeated the state

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Speaker 1: using the power of the state.

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Speaker 3: State.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, many such cases. As the governments shut down, Trump

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Speaker 2: is threatening mass layoffs, and Republicans are framing this whole

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Speaker 2: shot down as being caused by Democrats who are trying

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Speaker 2: to defend health care for quote unquote illegals, which isn't real.

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Speaker 2: Undocumented immigrants do not get federal health care. That's not

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Speaker 2: even what the Democrats are fighting for. Would be cool

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Speaker 2: if they were would be cool if the theory of

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Speaker 2: this country you could just get health care, that sounds nice.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be a cool, almost utopian place to live.

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Speaker 2: But that's not what's happening. And the rights confronted with this,

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Speaker 2: but they just do not care. Here's a Mike Johnson,

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Speaker 2: Speaker of the House on CNN having a little debate

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Speaker 2: about this.

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Speaker 4: If that counterproposal was enacted, is illegal aliens would be

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Speaker 4: paid for American taxpayers hard earned dollars would be paying

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Speaker 4: for benefits for illegal aliens. Again, we're not doing that.

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Speaker 3: But it's against federal law for people who are here illegally.

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Speaker 4: To get yes, and that's why our reforms are so

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Speaker 4: important to enforce all that. The important thing.

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Speaker 5: To remember is that the Democratic proposal that people who

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Speaker 4: Because they don't have the level of specification that we

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Speaker 4: those things that the CBO just verified will be reversed.

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Speaker 4: We can't afford to do.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: No, that is a red hearing in this in this debate.

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Speaker 2: So what the Democrats are actually doing right now is

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Speaker 2: they're trying to extend the current currently enacted federal subsidies

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Speaker 2: which happened under the One Big Beautiful Bill earlier this year.

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Speaker 2: That is what they're actually fighting for. The White House

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Speaker 2: is retruthing and retweeting proposals from the Democrats that include

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Speaker 2: health care for aliens. But that's legal aliens, that's like

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Speaker 2: for quote unquote illegals.

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Speaker 3: It's a it's a bad faith representation, as it always is.

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Speaker 3: Like people can go all the way back to the

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Speaker 3: episode that I made with Robin Sophie last year about

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Speaker 3: what Trump might do to learn more about the public

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Speaker 3: this the place to go over that here, But there

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Speaker 3: free health care plan for undocumented people. In fact, people

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Speaker 3: ICE are taking people from hospitals. That is not something

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Speaker 2: So we'll see how long this government shut down last.

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Speaker 2: The last one start on twenty eighteen, lasted thirty five days.

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Speaker 2: If this shutdown is still happening next week, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: we will include some details about government services being affected.

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Speaker 2: But this could resolve in a few days, a few hours,

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Speaker 2: or in a few weeks. We do not know. But luckily,

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Speaker 2: still is a ray of hope. In that ray of

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Speaker 2: hope is named Jimmy Kimmel, who was thankfully back on

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Speaker 2: the air. I know we've all been watching. We've all

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Speaker 2: been watching this certainly, and next our Instintclair have ceased,

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Speaker 2: preempting his show. That's back on air across the country.

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Speaker 2: Free speech is hashtag So back in America, provert. Do

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Speaker 2: you want to talk about the Disney plus boycott?

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Speaker 1: Yes, So we've gotten some data finally on the damage

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Speaker 1: down to Disney's result of the boycott. After they fired

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Speaker 1: Monsieur Kimmel.

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Speaker 2: Suspended, suspended, Monsieur kim.

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Speaker 1: Il suspended, suspended, They were definitely going to fire. They

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Speaker 1: wanted to fire his We definitely wanted to fire him.

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Speaker 1: And you know, there was a lot of posting online

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of posting, a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Posting about people canceling their accounts and people being like wow,

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Speaker 1: and it's I always it's always very frustrated to me

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Speaker 1: tell with the moment is this actually anything? Right? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: sixteen thousand people shared this thing about how the website

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Speaker 1: for Disney was down, but that doesn't mean anything other

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Speaker 1: of people shared and posted it. So it was very

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Speaker 1: difficult to tell, like, is there actually any follow through

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Speaker 1: on this? Is Disney's bottom line being hurt? And thankfully

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Speaker 1: I'm very happy to say that it does look like

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Speaker 1: Disney suffered a substantial financial setback as a result of

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Speaker 1: the boycott campaign. YEP, something like one point seven million

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Speaker 1: paid subscribers canceled. And this was immediately before Disney was

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Speaker 1: looking to announce a price increase. So like this, this

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Speaker 1: is like a serious I'm not surprised they reversed. Course,

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Speaker 1: this is like damaging to them. We're not talking about

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Speaker 1: the amount of money that a company like Disney would

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think the most important thing here for

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Speaker 6: all of us, and this is the thing I talked about.

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Speaker 6: We did an episode about this. This is actually before for Kimmel.

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Speaker 6: I've reenstated by Sinclair. But one of the really important

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Speaker 6: things here is that everyone fucking hates this government. They

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Speaker 6: are hideously unpopular of the All of their sort of

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Speaker 6: legitimization stuff, all of the sort of media complicity they've

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Speaker 6: bought has bought them about a four percent of poofa

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Speaker 6: rating bump from where they were this time of the

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Speaker 6: Like his most popular thing is his immigration policy, which

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Speaker 6: is horrible. But it's again like forty two percent. Everyone

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Speaker 6: Jimmy Kimmel acts from Disney.

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Speaker 2: Like, Comrade Kimmel has joined the fight. Yeah, yeah, there

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Speaker 2: are more of us than there are and there always

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Speaker 2: have been, and by more of us, Mia is referring

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Speaker 1: Just for the record, there the only two members of

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Speaker 2: But that's good news just over the state which holds

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Speaker 2: me up and Kimmel and the entirety of the fourth Estate.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know, there's a little bit of good

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Speaker 1: news for you. A bunch of people got really pissed

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Speaker 1: at something blatantly anti First Amendment, anti democratic, massive overreach

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Speaker 1: of the state, thought crime, nonsense, and the company suffered

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Speaker 1: such dramatic within like literally in the space of a week.

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Speaker 1: That's three hundred and thirty million or so million dollars

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Speaker 1: a year that Disney lost. That even Disney can't ignore

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Speaker 2: Oh looks like regular people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, like people who subscribe to Disney Bluss.

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Speaker 2: An army of ordinary liberals, the actual silent majority in

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Speaker 1: Well, that's gross and scary. I'm not paying Disney anymore. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's good that they did that.

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Speaker 2: Currently, the rights trying to manufacture counter boycott against Netflix

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Speaker 2: for having children's shows with non binary characters, mostly using

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Speaker 2: Netflix has gone too far as pushing woke nonsense down

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Speaker 2: the throats of your children by using like ancient clips

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Speaker 2: from like the Jurassic Park TV show. Like, okay, guys,

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Speaker 2: good luck with that. Have fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In other news, the Department of War. This actually happened

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Speaker 3: This was its historical name right like way way before

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Speaker 2: Trump truthed last week quote, at the request of the

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Speaker 2: Secretary of Homeland Security Christinome, I'm directing Secretary of War

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Speaker 2: siege from attack by Antifa and other domestic terrorists. I'm

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Speaker 2: also authorizing full force if necessary. Thank you for your

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Speaker 1: It's fine. It's kind of raining. I had a nice

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Speaker 2: Do what it does? Does someone want to mention like

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Speaker 2: the nature of the anti ICE protests happening in like

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Speaker 2: one square block in like the south waterfront of downtown Portland.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in the South waterfront. McAdam is what people

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Speaker 1: And there have been protests off and on pretty much

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Speaker 6: And I think the place where that has happened is Chicago,

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Speaker 3: The two separate issues there that he conflated, right, protests

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the way Trump's been talking about this

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean the immigration issue, right, is one that

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Speaker 2: During this televise meeting, Trump told military leaders quote, last month,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, which is just it's every single element if it

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Speaker 2: I mean it's it's pretty it's pretty blanket authoritarian stuff.

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Speaker 2: Like there's no like sugar coating it here. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, No, they're just yeah, they're just this is this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just saying the thing.

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Speaker 2: In the meeting, he explicitly labeled these dangerous cities as

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Speaker 7: But I want to salute every service member who has

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Speaker 6: And I think it's worth noting that both the mayor

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Speaker 6: And Pritzker is not the kind of like knock needs,

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Speaker 6: He's not simply just going to let Trump do this.

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Speaker 7: Portland, Oregon, where it looks like a war zone. And

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Speaker 7: I get a call from the liberal governor. Sure, please

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Speaker 3: And I think because it's a fifty thousand dollars sign up.

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Speaker 2: Well, unless they're playing false tapes. So the tapes aren't

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Speaker 2: Really literally, yesterday I saw footage circulating on X the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that Molotov.

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Speaker 1: And again no buildings actually burnt down.

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Speaker 1: And again, even on the worst nights in Portland, we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a lot of great Chinese food.

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Speaker 1: That's a war zone. That's a war zone.

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Speaker 3: I had my plague carrier on. I was ready to go.

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Speaker 3: I doubt it. No vegan food. All right, we are

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Speaker 3: grooming standards and other.

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Speaker 2: Shiit male standards.

439
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 3: Yes, everybody has to attain the male standard for the

440
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 3: various role of their combat roles that they if they

441
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 3: want to do that, right, So that would mean, you know,

442
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 3: the Army Physical Fitness test, right, whatever the male standard

443
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 3: quote unquote was would be everyone's standard. I don't want

444
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 3: to go deep into hegsth career. That would be another episode,

445
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 3: possibly of another show, but I do want to talk

446
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 3: about this stuff. Did you notice he said no more.

447
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 3: He listed number of generals, but one of them was Milli, Right,

448
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 3: he said no more. Milli's Chiarelli, and I forget who

449
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 3: the other one was. But I thought that was interesting

450
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 3: given what we saw Trump say about a QRF. Right,

451
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 3: Milli had a long career in the military, rate he

452
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 3: saw plenty of combat and all that stuff. But I

453
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 3: think He's most well known to most people for his

454
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: cooling effect on the use of the US military against

455
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 3: protesters in twenty twenty. Elsa, I think that is what

456
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 3: that was referring to, right that hegsth was talking about

457
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Speaker 3: removing that kind of person from Kamal and.

458
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Speaker 1: Milly also said no to Trump when he wanted to

459
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: deploy for and he was also working behind the scenes,

460
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: he's admitted now with Pelosi being like, we need to

461
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: have a plan if he tries to use the nukes

462
00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: after the election.

463
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, Millie was doing everything he could to mitigate what

464
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: he saw as a massive danger of Trump responding in

465
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 3: a completely disproportionate.

466
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Speaker 2: Way a legitimate national security and danger.

467
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Speaker 3: Yeah yes, yeah, like, yeah, someone whose job is protecting

468
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 3: the United States, like that's some reasonable concern. Was a

469
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 3: reasonable concern at that time. Obviously, the Trump administration does

470
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 3: not want people like that in command anymore, and that

471
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 3: was something that HEGs spoke about at length. The rest

472
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Speaker 3: of his speech focused on shit like fitness standards, shit

473
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Speaker 3: like grooming, visible tattoos, a bunch of stuff that you

474
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Speaker 3: would expect from a mid career infantry officer who hasn't

475
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 3: had a particularly distinguished career, right, Like, that's the ship

476
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Speaker 3: that mid career infantry officers do.

477
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Speaker 2: I think you mean war fighters, James, which is haig

478
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: Set's preferred term for soldiers.

479
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 3: Yes, fuck me. Yeah, well because it's gender neutrals start that.

480
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Speaker 1: They've been doing that for a while.

481
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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's on the MRI, It's been on the

482
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 3: emerys for a while. But yes, heik Seth does like

483
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 3: the phrase warfighters. His stuff was, like I said, not

484
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Speaker 3: something you would expect from someone who I think he

485
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 3: was a four in the national card, right. I don't

486
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 3: think any of that it's particularly new. He issued a

487
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 3: number of directives. One thing I did want to talk

488
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 3: about was this change in grooming standards. So the War

489
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Speaker 3: Department has issued a new directive on shaving profiles. What

490
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 3: this does in practice is we can see from their announcement,

491
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Speaker 3: which features prominently a black soldier shaving, is it takes

492
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Speaker 3: away long term shaving profiles for soldiers with medical conditions

493
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 3: such as pseudofoliculitis or exma, or other soldiers who experienced

494
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: skin irritation by shaving. Previously, those soldiers may have had

495
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 3: a like a waiver which they could show to their

496
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 3: officers of their officer said, hey, soldier, why have you shave? Soldier, sailor, emon,

497
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: Space Force, guardian, whatever, why haven't you shaved? They could say, well,

498
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 3: I'm on the shaving profile because of this condition that

499
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Speaker 3: I have. Now you will only have a year and

500
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 3: then you will have to somehow rectify that condition. They

501
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: talk about treatments a little bit in this Sonow's which

502
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: you can read if you want, not going to read

503
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: them out for you, but this will very clearly target

504
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 3: black service people the most. And I don't think that's

505
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Speaker 3: a coincidence. And as we see from the picture of

506
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 3: the black soldiers shaving in the in the release that

507
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 3: they sent out there, this is happening at the same

508
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 3: time as the arrested his stuff, right, and at the

509
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: same time as we've seen trans folks removed from the military.

510
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 3: As Heagfest seems to be going pretty hard on removing

511
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Speaker 3: women from combat roles. He's previously been more out right

512
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 3: in that this time he's in his speech he was

513
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 3: talking about how women, if they could meet the same

514
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: standards as men, would be welcoming combat roles, but they

515
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 3: wouldn't qute unquote lower the standards. The whole thing was

516
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 3: pretty remarkable to see heg Theift lecturing, you know, people

517
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: who have spent collectively maybe hundreds of years in combat, right.

518
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: People spent decades losing wars. Yeah, yeah, decades of period

519
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: of time.

520
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean centuries between them, right, But explaining

521
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 3: how warfare works to people who have vastly more experience

522
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: in it than him. Yes, I'm basically telling them it's

523
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 3: not a myth that we haven't seen from fascist states before. Right.

524
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 3: The soldiers were fine, but they were betrayed by the

525
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 3: politicians in the generals. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is nothing new. Yeah,

526
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 3: but but it was still kind of remarkable to see

527
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: heg theft delivering it to the generals.

528
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: And specifically, both he and Trump made statements about if

529
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: the generals and animals do not like what Trump and

530
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: Hexer were saying, they should just resign, they should just leave.

531
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Speaker 5: I've never walked into a room so solid before. This

532
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 5: is very don't left, don't live if you're not allowed

533
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 5: to do that. You know, I just have a good time.

534
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 5: And if you want to applaud, you applaud. And if

535
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 5: you want to do anything you want, you can do

536
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 5: anything you want. And if you don't like what I'm saying,

537
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 5: you can leave the room. Of course, there goes your rank,

538
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 5: there goes your future. But you just feel nice and loose, okay,

539
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 5: because we're all on the same team.

540
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: Part of this is because Trump just wants more loyalists

541
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: in the upper brass of the military. Like that's part

542
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: of this process. That's why he doesn't want millies. He

543
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 2: doesn't want people that will deny him. He wants just

544
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: a complete loyalist government, and that includes the military.

545
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

546
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Speaker 2: And if that means that we're going to have a

547
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: whole bunch of generals and animals resigned because of hig

548
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: Seth and Trump's anti woke granting, then that's a desirable

549
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: outcome for the administration at this point.

550
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

551
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Speaker 6: Speaking of war Chicago, Yeah, I mean the scenes that

552
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 6: I have seen the most frequently described as war or

553
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 6: looking like war this week have come out of Chicago,

554
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 6: where on Tuesday the thirtieth, there was one of the

555
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 6: most brutal raids that we've seen from the Feds yet

556
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 6: in any city. This took place in South Shore, which

557
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 6: is a ninety percent black neighborhood on the South side

558
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 6: of Chicago, where a whole bunch of immigrants who. I

559
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 6: don't know if people remember when Texas and a bunch

560
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 6: of other states in the South started busing immigrants up

561
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 6: to cities in the north. Chicago is one of the

562
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 6: ones where that happened. A lot a lot of these

563
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 6: people ended up in South Shore and there was a

564
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 6: massive raid on an apartment complex in the South Shore.

565
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Speaker 6: Agents showed up in a combination of moving vans, sort

566
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Speaker 6: of unmarked vans, and armored vehicles. It's still unclear exactly

567
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 6: how many people were taken. We so don't know. Estimates

568
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 6: at the time suggested about forty. It's very unclear. What

569
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 6: we do know about the raid was that it was

570
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 6: absolutely brutal. A bunch of a bunch of the initial

571
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 6: reports thought that they had been shooting, but there hadn't

572
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 6: been shooting. What there had been was that they blew

573
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 6: into this apartment complex with flash bank grenades.

574
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Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty common for people to mistake those two yeah.

575
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Speaker 6: Yeah. And these are just you know, these are just

576
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Speaker 6: regular people who suddenly at one in the morning, a

577
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 6: bunch of explosions start going off. There's a whole bunch

578
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 6: of pictures that you can see in various articles about

579
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 6: this of doors torn off their hinges. The agents did

580
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Speaker 6: a I think this is a classic Chicago police tactic,

581
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 6: but you know, they just went through and just started

582
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 6: grabbing everyone's stuff and tearing through it and throwing it

583
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Speaker 6: onto the ground. There were black Hawk helicopters like constantly

584
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 6: circling this just random apartment complex. There was a massive

585
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 6: FBI presence alongside border patrol and Ice. Yeah, it's also

586
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 6: worth mentioning that Independent book Club Chicago, which is one

587
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 6: of the very sort of prominent independent local media outlets there,

588
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 6: obtained a picture from a neighbor who was like next

589
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 6: to the raid that show Chicago Police Department on the scene,

590
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 6: which they are there expressly forbidden like by state law

591
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 6: from assisting in immigration enforcement. It is worth reading this

592
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 6: article in order to see this quote quote. We did

593
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 6: not participate in or assist with any immigration enforcement, spokesperson

594
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 6: Maggie he Un said in a statement, followed immediately by

595
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 6: pictures that clearly show a CBD car on the scene

596
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 6: of this raid. Yeah, this raid is a really significant

597
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 6: escalation of force in a sea that has I mean,

598
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 6: I've already seen ice literally shoot someone and kill them.

599
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 6: But yeah, I'm going to quote this from Tribe, which

600
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 6: is another independent news outlet in collaboration with Unraffled Press.

601
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 6: Veronica Castro, if the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights,

602
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 6: at a press conference, said quote, this looked like hundreds

603
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 6: of masked agents knocking down doors and dragging families out

604
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Speaker 6: in the middle of the night, holding babies that were unclothed.

605
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Speaker 6: Castro added, so people from their homes in the middle

606
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 6: of the night, holding naked babies because people haven't had time,

607
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 6: Like they're not giving people time to like even put

608
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 6: clothes on something. You see a lot in the accounts

609
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 6: of this. I'm gonna read some more from an account

610
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 6: from ABC. As I got to my unit to stick

611
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 6: my key in the door, I was grabbed by an

612
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 6: officer and I said, what's going on? What's going on?

613
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 6: He never actually told me. He said I was being detained,

614
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 6: said Alicia Books. Neighbors like Ebony Watson say they duck

615
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 6: for covers. They heard several flashbangs. They was terrified. The

616
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 6: kids was crying, people was screaming. They looked very distraught.

617
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 6: I was out there when I seen the little girl

618
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 6: coming around the corner, because they was bringing the kids

619
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Speaker 6: down too, had them zip tied to each other. Watson said,

620
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 6: that's all. I kept asking, what is the morality? Where

621
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 6: is the human One of them literally laughed he was

622
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 6: standing right there. He said, fucking kids. So that is

623
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 6: what these raids are looking like now. It is again

624
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Speaker 6: also worth noting that like this, this is a very

625
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 6: significant escalation of force. They are zip tying children to

626
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 6: each other as they dragged them from their homes at

627
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 6: one in the morning and saying fucking kids.

628
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

629
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Speaker 6: And this also marks what seems to be a pretty

630
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 6: large pivot away from the areas they've been targeting before,

631
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 6: which hand to be the suburbs in the outlying areas,

632
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 6: and into very very majority, the majority black.

633
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Speaker 2: Parts of Chicago.

634
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Speaker 6: And we're gonna talk more about this next week with

635
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 6: journalists who's been on the ground.

636
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 7: Yeah.

637
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 6: I mean, for example, a couple of hours before we

638
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 6: recorded this episode. So there are sparse details, but there

639
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,719
Speaker 6: is a video that shows the Feds just two hands

640
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 6: on neck choking a black man in East Garfield Park.

641
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 6: It's deeply unclear why this is happening, but they are

642
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 6: just doing this now, and what we have so far,

643
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 6: we don't know why they were doing this. But this

644
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 6: is also one thing I think is very alarming. This

645
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 6: is also reported by Tribe. There is a video from

646
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 6: this where an agent is recorded saying, just so you

647
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 6: guys know, this is not an immigration enforcement action. The

648
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 6: agent goes on to say they were responding to a

649
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 6: robbery in progress. All we know about is there was

650
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 6: a car crash and they just started choking this guy.

651
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 6: It's unclear exactly what's going on with this. There probably

652
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 6: will be more details by the time this episode is

653
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 6: going out, but the Feds are just doing this stuff

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Speaker 6: every day in Chicago, I mean, just randomly choking black

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Speaker 6: people on the street. And this massive, hideous raid and

656
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Speaker 6: Sushore are pretty significant escalations in places that haven't been

657
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Speaker 6: targeting before. And it's hard to see this ending anytime

658
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Speaker 6: soon or they're you know, things getting any better from here,

659
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Speaker 6: especially with the sort of you know, as you were

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Speaker 6: mentioned earlier, there hasn't been really any sign of like

661
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Speaker 6: an intensification in federal violence in Portland, but in Chicago

662
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Speaker 6: there absolutely has been. And yeah, it's horrible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So talking of intensification of federal activity, I guess

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Speaker 3: according to a notice posted in the Federal Register, DHS

665
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Speaker 3: is going to use the Cultural, Environmental and Historical Protection

666
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Speaker 3: Waiver that we reported about that came out this spring

667
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Speaker 3: to force through war construction in the San Diego sector.

668
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Speaker 3: I am guessing that in part we will see this

669
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Speaker 3: used to wave one of the acts that is waves

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Speaker 3: the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act. And I'm

671
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Speaker 3: guessing in part that this will be used to waive

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Speaker 3: that right because Kumei ancestors are in these areas and

673
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Speaker 3: in at the end tail end of the previous Tramp administration.

674
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Speaker 3: I reported on this for Sierra, which is a magazine

675
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Speaker 3: of the Sierra Club. Kumii people were using ceremony, So

676
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Speaker 3: they were participating in ceremony every day at construction sites

677
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Speaker 3: in order to slow down the clock, and they also

678
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Speaker 3: filed a lawsuit. Right, but they were trying to basically

679
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Speaker 3: run out the clock on the Trump administration. In twenty twenty,

680
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Speaker 3: they successfully in some areas prevented some construction, but with

681
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Speaker 3: the waiver of Nagpray, it's hard to see how they

682
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Speaker 3: will be able to do that. They also wave a

683
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Speaker 3: bunch of other acts that Eagle Protection Act, Environmental microtrect

684
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Speaker 3: Bird Treatise, a bunch of other acts. Right, this comes

685
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Speaker 3: on the same week as Secretary of War Headths restored

686
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Speaker 3: medals of honor to soldiers at Wounded Knee. If people

687
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Speaker 3: are not familiar, this is not the episode where I

688
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Speaker 3: do a history of things sort of happened at Wounded

689
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Speaker 3: Knee Creek. But this was the largest mass shooting in

690
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Speaker 3: US history.

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Speaker 2: This was just a slaughter.

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Speaker 3: Hundreds of unarmed Lacta civilians were murdered by the United

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Speaker 3: States military in the battle.

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Speaker 2: This was just a massacre.

695
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Speaker 3: There were significant casualties for the US military, most of

696
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Speaker 3: them were caused by the US military, a friendly fire

697
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Speaker 3: and completely disorganized slaughter of civilians. There was a standoff

698
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Speaker 3: at Wounded Lee later in the nineteen seventies in which

699
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Speaker 3: two Indigenous people died one went missing. You can read

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Speaker 3: Mary brave Bird's book about that if you want a

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Speaker 3: first hand account fat it's very good book. But yeah,

702
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Speaker 3: Hegseth is doing this, I think because Lloyd Austin had

703
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Speaker 3: previously ordered a review of those medals, because they weren't fighting,

704
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Speaker 3: they were just killing people. Therefore, it makes sense, you know,

705
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Speaker 3: that led to strip these these medals of honor, in

706
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Speaker 3: that there was very little honor in what they did.

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Speaker 3: Hegseth has restored those very amusingly, he said, this is final,

708
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Speaker 3: like another SECTEF couldn't just order a review like in

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Speaker 3: four years and change it again. CBP has also issued

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Speaker 3: a request for comments here in San Diego about its

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Speaker 3: plans to build seven point six miles of war west

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Speaker 3: of Dakat as well as one point three miles of

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Speaker 3: wall east of Dakat, more secondary barrier east of O

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Speaker 3: tim Mesa, and install or maintain fifty one miles of

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Speaker 3: quote barrier system attributes, which may include fiber uptic cables,

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Speaker 3: lighting poles, artificial lights, power cables, surveillance cameras, access and

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Speaker 3: patrol roads, and utility shelters.

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Speaker 2: What this would do.

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Speaker 3: I think most people who haven't spent time at the

720
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Speaker 3: border in not aware that there are vast gaps in

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Speaker 3: the border wall right, and this would close some of those.

722
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Speaker 3: There are still gaps east of this area. When a

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Speaker 3: lot of people were entering in twenty twenty three, they

724
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Speaker 3: were coming east of here in a more mountainous area.

725
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Speaker 3: But this will close existing gaps in the wall around

726
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Speaker 3: takat Ara and Marin Valley. I imagine that after that

727
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Speaker 3: they will continue to move east the areas where there

728
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Speaker 3: are gaps. Some of the area's where the gaps for

729
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Speaker 3: the east aren't that hard to access. Some of them

730
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Speaker 3: would be very hard to access with construction machinery, and

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Speaker 3: therefore they'd have to spend a long time building a

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Speaker 3: road before they could even begin building the wall. Reuters

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Speaker 3: has conducted a review of more than two million court

734
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Speaker 3: records and concluded that federal prosecution of drug cases, especially

735
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Speaker 3: those of high profile traffickers, have dropped to the lowest

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Speaker 3: level in decades. Fell forward again a word, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean normally you would see things like racketeering, money laundering,

738
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Speaker 3: conspiracy charges, right, but these are down twenty four percent

739
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Speaker 3: compared to last year. Even ongoing investigations have stalled as

740
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Speaker 3: a federal law enforcement apparatus is focusing the vast majority

741
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Speaker 3: of its people on deporting people who have not been

742
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Speaker 3: accused of any crime.

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Speaker 2: Really, and even just like the regular FBI investigative capacity,

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Speaker 2: it has been shifted massive large extents towards just immigration enforcement.

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Speaker 2: So they're not they're actually just not going after as

746
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Speaker 2: much like actual crime.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think some agencies like the Bureau of Alcohol

748
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Speaker 3: to back of firearms and explosive for example, I think

749
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Speaker 3: have the majority of their agents tasks to immigration rates

750
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Speaker 3: right now. The FBI one agent described what he had

751
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Speaker 3: been tasked with as quote photo op bullshit shit, which

752
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 3: was taking photos of their teams on and before raids

753
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Speaker 3: for use by the ADF and the White House in

754
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Speaker 3: social media posts. So they do appay to have. I've

755
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Speaker 3: lost the support of even some federal law enforcement. Talking

756
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Speaker 3: of federal law enforcement, we have also learned this week

757
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Speaker 3: about an FBI operation during the Biden administration during which

758
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Speaker 3: Tom Homan allegedly accepted fifty thousand dollars in cash. What

759
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Speaker 3: you didn't hear about the Tom Homan bag of Yeah,

760
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Speaker 3: what a joy to be able to share this with

761
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Speaker 3: you going to get better, Just just keep it, keep

762
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Speaker 3: simmered down, a simmer down, simmer down, sima down. So

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Speaker 3: Tom Homan, for those who are not familiar, is Trump's

764
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Speaker 3: borders are and a longtime border security official dating back

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Speaker 3: to the Biden administration. Let's find out about how they

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Speaker 3: got on to Tom Homan said that there was fifty

767
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Speaker 3: dollars in care but for what Just wait wait, wait

768
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Speaker 3: wait wait. Another Obama era I staffer, Juliancalderas, who agents

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Speaker 3: undercover agents had contacted as part of a separate investigation,

770
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Speaker 3: repeatedly suggested to the agents that they may wish to

771
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Speaker 3: bribe Homan in order to obtain government contracts. Kyl Deris

772
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 3: repeatedly suggested this to the undercover agents, so much so

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Speaker 3: that they diverted their investigation and set up this investigation.

774
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Speaker 3: They gave Home and the money, but waited to see

775
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Speaker 3: what he would do in office in order to see.

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Speaker 3: I guess they felt they would have a stronger case

777
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Speaker 3: if he came back to them and said, you know,

778
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Speaker 3: I have these five federal contracts, which one would you like?

779
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Speaker 3: The Trump DOJ took no further steps to investigate and

780
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Speaker 3: has closed the investigation. According to NBC, the Trump administration

781
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Speaker 3: is claiming this was a set up by the FBI,

782
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Speaker 3: but of course the investigation occurred in September of twenty four,

783
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Speaker 3: so before the election. Again, it was not an investigation

784
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Speaker 3: that they started on. It branched off because car Thereus

785
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: repeatedly suggested that they should continue to they should try

786
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Speaker 3: and bribe Home. The agents who who did this operation

787
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Speaker 3: were posing his businessman trying to get government contracts. Right, OK,

788
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Speaker 3: This might explain so Homan was a big time Trump affiliate, right,

789
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Speaker 3: big time Trump supporting. Yeah, people were suggesting that he

790
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Speaker 3: might be made Secretary of Homeland Security. This might be

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Speaker 3: why we will never know official right, This might explain

792
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Speaker 3: why he's been given a slightly less formal role which

793
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Speaker 3: I don't believe. He has to pass through Congress, which

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Speaker 3: is quite unquote borders za.

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Speaker 2: This is like the level of normalized corruption which exists

796
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Speaker 2: in every level of this administration is like remember when

797
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: they just could not stop talking about Hunter hide in

798
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Speaker 2: it all the time. And meanwhile you have like like

799
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Speaker 2: you know, like all of like Jared Kushner's dealings with

800
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Speaker 2: like Saudi is the tom hooman getting fifty thousand dollars

801
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Speaker 2: in cash, Yeah, recover he'sents posing US businessman to help

802
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Speaker 2: obtain like government contracts. It's like an absurd comical cartoon world.

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Speaker 3: So it's Keystone cop shit. We don't know if he's

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Speaker 3: given the cash back.

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Speaker 6: Oh that cash, Oh god, so much cocaine, Like I

806
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Speaker 6: could either confirm her did I?

807
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Speaker 3: It was spent on cocaine? Yeah, a world incidence of corruption.

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Speaker 2: Oh god.

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Speaker 3: Finally, I want to talk about Venezuela. In Venezuela, it

810
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Speaker 3: seems that Stephen Miller has been taking the lead on

811
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Speaker 3: strikes on alleged drug smugglers. According to a Guardian piece,

812
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Speaker 3: the strikes have been authorized by the Homeland Security count Shure.

813
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Speaker 3: That's a body that Miller leaves, which has massively grown

814
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Speaker 3: in influence since the Trump administration. It seems like most

815
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Speaker 3: people in the administration were pretty much kept in the

816
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Speaker 3: duck about this until very shortly before the strikes took place.

817
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Speaker 3: They were just find under the Article two powers, which

818
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Speaker 3: give the president authority to use force in limited self

819
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Speaker 3: defense engagements. But it seems like Miller is the pun

820
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Speaker 3: driving the ship on this increased violence that we're seeing

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Speaker 3: against Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: All right, we are back for our final story this episode.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about the National Security Presidential Memorandums

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Speaker 2: number seven, titled Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence,

825
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Speaker 2: which was signed by President Donald Trump on Thursday, September

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Speaker 2: twenty fifth. This relates in many ways to the Antifa

827
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Speaker 2: Domestic Terrorism Executive Order from last week, but this memo

828
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Speaker 2: is a lot more clear in outlining actual policy changes

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Speaker 2: that will affect law enforcement investigations. So let's go over

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Speaker 2: the four sections of this very very long memo. I've

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Speaker 2: tried to condense it down as much as possible, but

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Speaker 2: there is some good information in here too.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: Section one asserts that there's been an increase in political

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Speaker 2: violence in recent years, with assassinations and quote unquote riots

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Speaker 2: in Los Angeles and Portland, which have resulted into more

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Speaker 2: than one thousand percent increase in attacks against ice officers

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Speaker 2: since Trump's inauguration two point zero. The memo states that

839
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Speaker 2: riots and violence aren't organic events or isolated incidents, but

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Speaker 2: in fact, quote a culmination of a sophisticated, organized campaigns

841
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Speaker 2: of targeted intimidation, radicalization, threats, and violence designed to silence

842
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Speaker 2: of posting speech, limit political activity, change or direct policy outcomes,

843
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Speaker 2: and prevent the functioning of a democratic society. Unquote.

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Speaker 3: If we've spoken about the statistic about attacks and ICE

845
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Speaker 3: officers before and how that's very misleading.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean an ICE officer is attacked when of

847
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Speaker 2: ice officer's fist encounters the face of a child that's

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Speaker 2: Latino grandmother.

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Speaker 3: R yes, uh, Latina grandmother in that case.

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Speaker 2: Well, and a lot of this talking about, you know,

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Speaker 2: riots is not organized depends us at an incidents what

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Speaker 2: they describe here is this like a culmination of the

853
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Speaker 2: sophisticated campaign. This is just describing like the process of

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Speaker 2: like what protesting is right trying to direct or change

855
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Speaker 2: policy outcomes, which comes up a lot in these like

856
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Speaker 2: domestic terrorism laws, which when over applied to just nonviolent

857
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Speaker 2: acts of speech, just start infringing upon very standard First

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Speaker 2: Amendment activity.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the five fundamental freedoms of the First Amendment,

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Speaker 3: right like the right to assemble. The right was several

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Speaker 3: of them, actually, the right to assemble, the right to speak,

862
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Speaker 3: the right to petition the government, like these are fundamental.

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Speaker 2: The right to twitch stream at a riot as a

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Speaker 2: free member of the press.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, that's not a right that I choose to exercise,

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Speaker 3: but I guess it is one that exists. But you

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Speaker 3: and I have you were important and I was in

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Speaker 3: Los Angeles. Like the idea that these cities were fundamentally

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Speaker 3: like damaged by these protests, it's just not true.

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Speaker 2: Well, and they're not just talking about damage from riots,

871
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: they're also talking about, you know, effects on individual citizens.

872
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 2: This memo describes how these you know, organized campaigns start

873
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: by quote isolating and dehumanizing specific targets to justify murder

874
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 2: or other violent action unquote, claiming that this process happens

875
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: across quote anonymous chat forums, in person meetings, the social media,

876
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: and even educational institutions. These campaigns then escalate to organized

877
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: docsing with the explicit intent of encouraging others to harass, intimidate,

878
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: or violently assault targets en quote.

879
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 3: I mean this is what the right has done to

880
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 3: like express especially migrants and trand people right for for

881
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 3: a very long time. Anonymous chat forums. And do they

882
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 3: mean a.

883
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 2: Reddit credits telegram maybe?

884
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I know that some subreddits have been

885
00:47:55,280 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 3: closed since the issuing of this memorandum, which and wondering

886
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 3: if it is related.

887
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: Not explicitly, but like I think this memos would be

888
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: in this section like referring to things akin to ice Watch.

889
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense as

890
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 3: well as.

891
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 2: You know standard like you know, anti fascist action against

892
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: like legitimate neo Nazis, which, yeah, the right is not

893
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,479
Speaker 2: against a dooxing as a practice, as we have seen

894
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: a few weeks with the state sponsored organized doxing harassment

895
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: campaigns against people for their comments about the death of

896
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk. Yeah, the memo goes on to list a

897
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: collection of quote common recurrent motivations and indica or indicators

898
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 2: that unite this pattern of violence and terroristic activities under

899
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: the umbrella of self described anti fascism. These movements portray

900
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: foundational American principles support for law enforcement and border control

901
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 2: as fascist to justify and encourage acts of a violent revolution.

902
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: Common threads animating this violent conduct include anti Americanism, anti

903
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 2: cap anti Christianity, support for the overthrow of the United

904
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: States government, extremism on migration, race and gender, and hostility

905
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: towards those who hold traditional American views on family, religion,

906
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 2: and morality unquote. So in so far as this memo

907
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: has been reported, it's mostly been on this specific section here,

908
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: listing the indicators that could be driving terroristic acts under

909
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 2: the umbrella of anti fascism, including all of these beliefs

910
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 2: that people are allowed to hold in the United States

911
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 2: due to the rights granted to us and the Bill

912
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 2: of Rights in the Constitution.

913
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the hypocrisi is the point, and it's

914
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 3: sometimes not worth it. It's not the point, but it's

915
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: not particularly you know, it doesn't change anything I'm pointing out,

916
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 3: But I will just point out that the idea that

917
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: border control is a foundational American principle is not true.

918
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 3: That it was not until the Chinese Exclusion Act that

919
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: the United States began to exclude anyone from coming here,

920
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 3: and that was in the nineteenth century. History understanders will

921
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,959
Speaker 3: have noticed, so the United States began at some point

922
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 3: before the nineteenth century.

923
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: One thing I will say regarding this section, some reporting

924
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: around this memo is framing things like, you know, anti

925
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: capitalism or anti Christianity is now that is going to

926
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 2: be used as evidence that you are a terrorist. That

927
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 2: is not the explicit way is written about in this memo.

928
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: These are indicators which if some investigator sees on a

929
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 2: Twitter account or a blue Sky account, could then cause

930
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: them to investigate further into this personal group. But it's

931
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: not like just expressing these things will itself deem you

932
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: a terrorist and be putting you in jail. And this

933
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: does rely on action. Now, the memo does go on

934
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: to talk about trying to prevent crime before it happens.

935
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 2: I think this would be more in the way of

936
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: how the FBI tries to set up like sting operations

937
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 2: or catch people who are planning a violent act before

938
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 2: they actually do it. Yeah, as we've even seen the

939
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 2: past few weeks with people being arrested for planning retaliation

940
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 2: attacks following the death of Charlie Kirk. This has happened.

941
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

942
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: Now, the memo calls for a new national law enforcement

943
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: strategy to quote investigate all participants in these criminal and

944
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 2: terroristic conspiracies and disrupt networks, entities and organizations that foment

945
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 2: political violence. That law enforcement can intervene in criminal conspiracies

946
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 2: before they result in violent political acts unquote. So that

947
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: is the pre crime aspect of this order which they

948
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 2: could use some of these beliefs like right extremism on

949
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 2: migration or race or gender, anti americanism as justification to

950
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: start investigating groups, which then arrests could follow prior to

951
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 2: imminent violent act as deemed by federal law enforcement.

952
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, in theory, the role of the effectially

953
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 3: federal law enforcement has always been to investigate people who

954
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 3: were planning violent or terroristic acts. The difference here that

955
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 3: this is being specifically framed around a certain group, and

956
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 3: this probably will lead to more attempts by their more

957
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 3: surveillance on people within exactly groups.

958
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: Right now, this is very worrying in terms of like surveillance,

959
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 2: suppressing speech, chilling speech, because what they're qualifying as violent

960
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 2: terroristic gas is just ordinary protest activity, first man protests activity,

961
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: non government organizations that support progressive causes or values. That's

962
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 2: the real concern here.

963
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 3: It's worth stating here that in Los Angeles, for example,

964
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 3: a number of grand juries did not return indictments of

965
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 3: people who were accused of quite serious crimes that the

966
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 3: grand jury did not think it was reasonable to indict

967
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: them for right. This is unusual. Most federal prosecutions do

968
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 3: result ultimately in a guilty plea right because they bring

969
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 3: very strong cases when they bring them. But it's worth

970
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 3: noting that the specifically, like the US Attorney's Office in

971
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 3: Los Angeles, has not stuck their landing on all of

972
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 3: its attempts to indict people for things that they did

973
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 3: during that time of protest in June.

974
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: In terms of like implementation, the memo says, quote law

975
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: enforcement will disband and uproot networks entities and organizations that

976
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 2: promote organized violence, violent intimidation, conspiracies against rights, and other

977
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: efforts to disrupt the functioning of a democratic society. Unquote

978
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 2: networks entities organizations. These refer to like established organizations, like

979
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 2: actual like formed groups that have political activity. Now, Section

980
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: two outlines how the National Joint Terrorism Task Force will

981
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: quote unquote coordinate and supervise a new comprehensive national strategy

982
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: and orders the local Joint Terrorism Task Force around the

983
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: country to quote investigate potential federal crimes relating to acts

984
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: of recruiting or radicalizing persons for the purpose of political violence, terrorism,

985
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 2: conspiracy against rights, or the violent deprivation of any citizens'

986
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: rights unquote. The GDTFS, Joint Terrors and Passport will also

987
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 2: investigate institutional and individual funders, including employees of organizations which

988
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: are quote responsible for sponsor or otherwise the A and

989
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: EVET the principal actors engaging in the criminal conduct as

990
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 2: previously described.

991
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 3: That's a broad neet, right, There's.

992
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: A lot of this stuff, like the anti for order

993
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 2: also alluded to this. Trump's statements made in the Oval

994
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: Office have alluded to this going after funders, foreign funders,

995
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: whether that's the groups like the ACLU or like bail

996
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: funds they mentioned George Sorows very often, Yeah, the Open

997
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 2: Society Foundation, right, Yeah, I.

998
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 3: Think the right has had a fascination with sorrows for

999
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 3: a long time, Right, They've been looking for a reason

1000
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 3: to either exclude Sorrows from participation in US politics and

1001
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 3: just to be like obviously, I think most people realize this,

1002
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 3: but that that fascination is rooted deeply in antisemitis, and

1003
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 3: George Soros is a Holocaust survivor, and there has been

1004
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 3: like an attempt to find reasons to exclude sorrows from

1005
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 3: US political activity for some time. I think it's reasonable

1006
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 3: to see this in that trend.

1007
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 2: This sort of like big organizations foreign organizations is also

1008
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 2: mentioned in this memo and saying the investigation will include

1009
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 2: NGOs and American citizens with foreign ties that could be

1010
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 2: in violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act or quote

1011
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: money laundering by funding, creating, or supporting entities that engaging

1012
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: activities that support encouraged domestic terrorism unquote. The memo states

1013
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: that the Attorney General shall issue guidance which ensures that

1014
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: domestic terrorism priorities include quote politically motivated terrorist acts such

1015
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: as organized docsing campaigns, swatting, rioting, looting, trespass, assault, damage

1016
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 2: of property, threats of violence, and civil disorder. The guides

1017
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 2: shall also include an identification of any behaviors, fact patterns,

1018
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: recurrent motivations, or other indica common to organizations and these

1019
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 2: that coordinate these acts in order to direct efforts to

1020
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 2: identify and prevent potential violent activity. Unquote. This is a

1021
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 2: worrying list of things that are not domestic terrorism that

1022
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 2: they're going to try to claim our domestic terrorism. Trespass. Yeah,

1023
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: like trespassing is now domestic terrorism. That's not a great

1024
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 2: thing for the Attorney General to be issuing guidance on.

1025
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, civil disorder is a very broad and somewhat nebulous term, right, Like.

1026
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: Are they going to call the organized doxing campaigns that

1027
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 2: the right is doing right now domestic terrorism? No, of

1028
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 2: course not right, These things are just taking form for

1029
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: explicit like political prosecution, for the political ends of Trump administration.

1030
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 3: I think the goal hit like some of these are

1031
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 3: reason even a statue, right, Like, I'm not aware of

1032
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 3: a broad federal doxing statute aside from you know, certain

1033
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 3: specific instances where it might be a crime to reveal

1034
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 3: someone's address.

1035
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 2: Violent intimidation of probably like federal law enforcement would be

1036
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 2: one thing that they go after.

1037
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, federal law enforcement people with protective orders that kind

1038
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 3: of thing, right, And yeah, there are probably ways of

1039
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 3: doing that, but I think a lot of this is

1040
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 3: intended to have a chilling effect on speech and organizing.

1041
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely, the Treasury Secretary will work with EA turn in

1042
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: general to quote identify and disrupt financial networks at funded

1043
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: domestic terrorism and political activity, and shall deploy investigative tools,

1044
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: examine financial flows, and coordinate with partner agencies to trace

1045
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: illicit funding streams unquote. Again, very obsessed with this idea

1046
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,919
Speaker 2: that there's tons of money that is funding Antifa, which

1047
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: if you know anyone under the Antifa umbrella, you know

1048
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 2: that they are extremely bro Yeah, yeah, this is left

1049
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 2: wing protesters are not the most financially stable budget. Yeah,

1050
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 2: there's not this illicit funding streams. This is a huge,

1051
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: a huge idea that the right has like latched on.

1052
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 3: Ironically, this is something that the right shares with the

1053
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 3: authoritarian left. Actually, the idea that people can't act independently

1054
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 3: unless there is a large, well funded actor motivating them

1055
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 3: to act. It's something that because the authoritarian right and

1056
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 3: the authoritarian left agree on some things, and one of

1057
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 3: them is that like people can't take the initiative to act, right,

1058
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 3: that there has to be some kind of vanguard in

1059
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 3: the case of the authoritarian left, or nefarious funder in

1060
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 3: the case of the authoritarian right. And so this this

1061
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 3: lines up with the way that they understand the world.

1062
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, and I was talking specifically here in

1063
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: terms of like regular people on the ground attending protests.

1064
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 2: There's like big, big groups like you know, often like

1065
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 2: you know, communist A line groups that may be receiving funding,

1066
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: possibly from foreign sources. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for real, But

1067
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: I do not believe that is what this order is,

1068
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 2: at least this section is actually wanting to go after.

1069
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 2: That might be what they in the end actually end

1070
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 2: up targeting, end up sweeping up because it's the only

1071
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 2: thing that actually has like you know, foreign funding. But

1072
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 2: like you know, capital a Antifa teenagers with like umbrellas

1073
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: showing up in front of an ice building are not

1074
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: receiving money from like Iran, China or Russia.

1075
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, as you say, it might be large as

1076
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 3: Southern Policy Law Center, the ACLU, Open Society Foundation, built.

1077
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 2: Gate Network for Strong Community.

1078
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, like some of these organizations might be what they're

1079
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 3: trying to drag a net over here.

1080
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 2: Or nonprofits. The next section instructs the IRS to quote

1081
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: take action to ensure that no tax exempt entities are

1082
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 2: directly or indirectly financing political violence or domestic terrorism unquote,

1083
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 2: and calls for the IRS to refer suspect organizations and

1084
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: their employees to the Department of Justice for investigation and

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Speaker 2: possible prosecution.

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Speaker 3: It's probably worth noting the context here that there was.

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Speaker 3: This is after a twenty ten congressional investigation that found

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Speaker 3: out that the IRS had gone after some Tea party groups. Right,

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Speaker 3: do you remember the Tea Party Garrison? You or seven

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Speaker 3: at that time?

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Speaker 2: I remember the Tea Party, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: So the feeling here Biden, if you remember, Garrison also

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Speaker 3: hired a number of new IRS agents. There was a

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Speaker 3: conspiracy theory that the were to provide some kind of armed, massive,

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Speaker 3: armed element to the IRS that was going around in

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Speaker 3: the Biden administration. I'm sure the IRS had an armed element, right.

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Speaker 3: There is not a federal investigative agency that doesn't, like

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Speaker 3: the Postal Service, has cops and probably a swat team.

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Speaker 3: But there was a feeling on the right that Biden

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Speaker 3: mobilized the IRS against right wing individuals, and I can

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Speaker 3: see this being the old Pantue'm swinging back in the

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Speaker 3: other direction a little bit.

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Speaker 2: One of the more interesting sections that I've highlighted of

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Speaker 2: the memo instructs investigators to quote question and interrogate individuals

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Speaker 2: engaged in political violence or lawlessness regarding the entity or

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Speaker 2: individual organizing such actions and any related financial sponsorship prior

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Speaker 2: to perfect comjunication or initiation of a plea agreement unquote.

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Speaker 2: That's directing like the interrogations of people arrested at protests,

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Speaker 2: like specifically go after who funding them to be a protest.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure some very fruitful information will come out of

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Speaker 2: referring back to our discussion of like, you know, the

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Speaker 2: common motivators are Indica, including things you know like anti capitalism,

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Speaker 2: anti Americanism, and how those beliefs in and of themselves

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Speaker 2: I do not think will be sufficient for declaring someone

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Speaker 2: a terrorist and like locking them up. Is because later

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Speaker 2: in this memo, the memo directs investigations to quote prioritize

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Speaker 2: crimes such as the following assaulting federal officers or employees,

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Speaker 2: conspiracy against rights, conspiracy to commit offense, solicitation to commit

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Speaker 2: a crime of violence, money laundering, funding of terrorist acts,

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Speaker 2: or otherwise facilitating terrorism arson, violations of the u Rico Act,

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Speaker 2: and major fraud against the United States unquote. So could

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Speaker 2: the government use these indicators to then find groups to target,

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Speaker 2: to stick some of these crimes onto groups or organizations. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: that's probably what they're going to do.

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Speaker 7: M h.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But these these are the things to like be

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Speaker 2: aware of, and they're going to try to, you know,

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Speaker 2: slap these on people who are just arrested at protests,

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Speaker 2: people who work for NGOs, people who work for legal

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Speaker 2: support networks, maybe migrant assistance networks like that's that's going

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Speaker 2: to be the target for a lot of these things.

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Speaker 2: And we've seen some of these like conspiracy charges in

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Speaker 2: San Diego with their with their Antifa prosecution case. We've

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Speaker 2: seen similar stuff in Atlanta with Stop Cop City. Right,

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Speaker 2: there is precedent for this. We've seen the state try

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Speaker 2: to and to a degree of success and failure, actually

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Speaker 2: push these charges forward.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The panic that those two cases created, I think, and

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Speaker 3: we we're still pre you know, trial in the Atlantic case, right,

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Speaker 3: trials in progress. Yeah, yeah, sorry, pre uh, I guess

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Speaker 3: a conclusion of that trial.

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Speaker 2: But the current indication is that most of these record

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Speaker 2: charges are not going to stick.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and most of the conspiracy charges and San Diego

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Speaker 3: did not write and most of those people ended up

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Speaker 3: not being convicted of all the things they were accused of.

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Speaker 3: I do see the major fraud against the United States,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's probably going to use against NGOs.

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Speaker 3: I do also wonder they have spoken before about the

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Speaker 3: Payroll Protection Plan and looking at PPP fraud.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean financial crimes are always are always really scary,

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Speaker 2: right like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like a lot of nonprofits, you know, like

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Speaker 3: people undoubtedly given a scare of the PPP people abused it.

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Speaker 3: I think nonprofits would be a lot more buttoned up

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Speaker 3: than almost anyone else in that regard, you know, these

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Speaker 3: especially these big liberal nonprofits. But that is an area

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Speaker 3: which I'm sure that the Trump I R s will

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Speaker 3: be looking at.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they might even try to slap these on

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Speaker 2: people making jokes or quote unquote threats online right solicitation

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Speaker 2: to commit a crime of violence.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Yeah. People shouldn't be saying stupid shit on

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Speaker 3: social media right.

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Speaker 2: Now, which which is absolutely like a chilling speech, right

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Speaker 2: that is that that is a bad thing. But you

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Speaker 2: don't want to give these people extra ammunition to use

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Speaker 2: against yourself. Right now.

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Speaker 3: Fighting words are not always like First Amendment speech right

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Speaker 3: now now, Like I'm no expect in where that starts

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Speaker 3: and where that ends. But yet, yeah, like in terms

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Speaker 3: of not doing stupid things, like this is not a

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Speaker 3: time to do stupid things on your posting website of choice.

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Speaker 2: Section two closes by calling for investigators in federal police

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Speaker 2: to quote adopt strategies similar to those used to address

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Speaker 2: violent crime and organized crime to disrupt and dismantle entire

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Speaker 2: networks of criminal activity unquote. So yeah, especially with all

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Speaker 2: this financial stuff, money laundering, rico, conspiracy charges, they're basically

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Speaker 2: using or they want to use like tactics to take

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Speaker 2: down like organized crime rings just targeting their political enemies,

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Speaker 2: targeting political organizations and people who attend protests like that

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Speaker 2: is that is the real gist of this memo. Section

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Speaker 2: three instructs the Eturney General to designate qualifying groups or

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Speaker 2: entities under investigation as domestic terrorist organizations per the definition

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Speaker 2: of domestic terrorism in eighteen USC. Two three three one five,

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Speaker 2: and to submit a list of such groups to the

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Speaker 2: President of the United States. And Section four instructs the

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Speaker 2: Attorney General and Secretary of Homeland Security to designate domestic

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Speaker 2: terrorism a National Priority area and provide extra funding for

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Speaker 2: law enforcement to quote, detect, prevent, and protect against threats

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Speaker 2: arising from this area. That is the bulk of the

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Speaker 2: National Security Presdential Memorandum number seven, promising to chill speech

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Speaker 2: and go after political opponents and organizations, entities and individuals

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Speaker 2: and employees of organizations. Yeah, very very undemocratic, very very

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Speaker 2: on its face authoritarian. Yeah, you don't even need like

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Speaker 2: like allegations of political targets. Like they're writing down how

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Speaker 2: they want to do political targeting, they're bragging about it.

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Speaker 3: It's really what briefly want to raise the example of

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Speaker 3: the flag burning. Right, so Donald Trump signed an executive

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Speaker 3: order ordering the Justice Department to investigate flag burning earlier

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Speaker 3: this year. I can't quite remember when. Subsequently, someone called

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Speaker 3: jan Carey of North Carolina was arrested after they burned

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Speaker 3: a flag, an American flag, just to be clear outside

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Speaker 3: the White House, I guess the flag burning executive order

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Speaker 3: doesn't apply to like you're you know, like anime flag

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Speaker 3: or whatever, specifically about the flag of the United States,

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Speaker 3: something which I think Johnson versus Texas is a Supreme

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Speaker 3: Court case, right, But there is a considerable amount of

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Speaker 3: legal precedent, that is First Amendment speech. Kerry was arrested.

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Speaker 3: What is being missed in the discussion is that Kerry

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Speaker 3: was charged with two misdemeanor crimes. One was for lighting

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Speaker 3: a fire not in a designated area and receptacle. The

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Speaker 3: other was for lighting a fire in a manner that

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Speaker 3: threatened to cause damage to a resulted in the burning

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Speaker 3: of property, real property and park resources. These are both

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Speaker 3: offensives and you can be incarcerated or fined for I

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Speaker 3: want people to know that, right Like, he was not

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Speaker 3: arrested because of the executive order, although the executive order

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Speaker 3: may very much influenced the climate which led to his

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Speaker 3: arrest in charge with these other things, but he wasn't

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Speaker 3: charged with violating the executive order because that is not

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Speaker 3: how it works.

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Speaker 2: They can't change the law with executive orders or presidential memorandums.

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Speaker 2: What they can do is direct how the law will

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Speaker 2: be enforced or policy guidelines, right, and that's what this

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Speaker 2: is affecting. Right now, all of these branches, like the DHS,

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Speaker 2: Justice Department, Federal Police are going to be following the

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Speaker 2: policy guidelines and outlines established in this memo to then

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Speaker 2: try to enforce the laws that we have, some of

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Speaker 2: which they will probably find ways to do it, and

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Speaker 2: sometimes they won't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a very broad range of statute's criminalizing

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Speaker 3: a very large range of things, and someone will find

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Speaker 3: some way in there to criminalize someone for something that

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Speaker 3: might seem on the face of it to be not nefarious.

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Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean that we have executive legisative fusion.

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Speaker 3: We don't write yourself too proind to the government. And

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Speaker 3: that is important to remember too.

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Speaker 2: No, no laws have been changed criminalizing anti americanism, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that is that is an important thing to keep in mind.

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Speaker 2: That does not mean that this order is not going

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Speaker 2: to chill speech, suppress free speech, or be used to

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Speaker 2: criminally target people. Yeah, criminal prosecutions can ruin the lives

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Speaker 2: of people for years and years, regardless of the actual outcome, right,

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Speaker 2: even if they get off on the charges. And totally

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Speaker 2: we want to be clear that we're not like minimizing

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Speaker 2: the effects of this, but we do want to actually

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Speaker 2: break down what like the threat model is specifically for

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Speaker 2: like NGO's legal organizations that help protesters or migrants, LGBTQ organizations, right,

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Speaker 2: these are probably going to be the first targets of

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Speaker 2: a lot of like the conspiracy fraud sections of disorder. Besides,

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Speaker 2: you know protesters that get rounded up and get put

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Speaker 2: into into this like political war game that they're playing,

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Speaker 2: similar to how regular protesters in Atlanta then found themselves

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Speaker 2: suddenly admitst like a three year long Rico domestic terrorism

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Speaker 2: case despite not participating in any kind of large organized

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Speaker 2: aspect of Stop Coop City. They were just regular attendees.

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Speaker 2: So there'll be stuff similar to that that happens throughout

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Speaker 2: the next few months to years, and I think that

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Speaker 2: is where we should keep our attention focused on mitigating

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Speaker 2: the harms of government overreach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So for the fund raise this week, something slightly different.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to read of this GoFundMe for the emergency

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Speaker 3: circus they are traveling south of the US border. I

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Speaker 3: believe they're going to migrant shelters in Tijuana to hold

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Speaker 3: circus acts circus performances for kids. I have obviously, obviously,

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Speaker 3: but I've spent a decent amount of my life in

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Speaker 3: refugee camps and migrant shelters and they can be pretty

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Speaker 3: hard places for kids. And it's something that I think

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Speaker 3: about almost every day, and so people bringing joy to

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Speaker 3: their children is something that I think is wonderful and

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Speaker 3: very important. People you get the impression that like legal

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Speaker 3: funds are important and the kids having a laugh is

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Speaker 3: not important, But like children have a right to be children,

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Speaker 3: and that's taken away from them by the immigration system.

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Speaker 3: And so I would like if you supported this. The

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Speaker 3: website is ww dot gofundb dot com slash f slash

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Speaker 3: send it from an encrypted email address. Proton mail is

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Speaker 2: Before we close the episode, but I will tease an

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Speaker 2: episode for next week. There was a shooting at a

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Speaker 2: Mormon church on Sunday, which the right briefly tried to

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Speaker 2: turn into like this culture war narrative I attacks on Christianity,

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Speaker 2: and then once information about the shooter became more clear,

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Speaker 2: they quickly dropped the subject. So on Wednesday, I'll be

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Speaker 2: doing an episode talking about this shooting and a few

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Speaker 2: others and how various outlets on the right end left

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Speaker 2: are only reporting on these big shootings insofar as they

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Speaker 2: can turn them into political weapons against the opposition party.

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Speaker 2: We reported the news, We reported the news.

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Speaker 8: It could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media.

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