WEBVTT - Mallorca on Mushrooms

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Katherine, Hello Chelsea. You guys, we are coming to

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<v Speaker 1>you live from Majorca in Spain. Yes we are. This

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<v Speaker 1>is an episode called CS I'm Majorca, where we will

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<v Speaker 1>be solving short murder mysteries. We're here with a group

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<v Speaker 1>of women and and a token male who happens to

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<v Speaker 1>be our sound engineer and podcast editor, Brad, who's Katherine's

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<v Speaker 1>lover slash husband. Indeed, so he's the only male in

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<v Speaker 1>a house filled with ten girls. Isn't nine girls? So

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<v Speaker 1>he is exhausted. He's been making the rounds and having

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<v Speaker 1>a great time. We told him this was a swinger's

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<v Speaker 1>week and that he was going to have to service

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<v Speaker 1>all ten women, and so he has been taking a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of apps. Yes, that's absolutely true. All the galaxy

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<v Speaker 1>to love him, though, I know, I know, very nicely done, Katherine,

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<v Speaker 1>great choice making. He fits in. He does the little

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<v Speaker 1>eyemasks that we were all doing when we had our

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<v Speaker 1>little spa moment. Yes, Jamie Greenberg is here. She's administering.

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<v Speaker 1>She's trying to contribute since her personality is not enough.

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<v Speaker 1>She is giving us Ie shades and facials and all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of little treatments. I would say, yes, yes, she's

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<v Speaker 1>going to do all of our makeup before we go

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<v Speaker 1>out tonight. And it turns out that is that what's happening? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because that sounds that sounds annoying, sounds like a wedding. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah. We make our work for it. But we've

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<v Speaker 1>been having some weather in my Orka which has been

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<v Speaker 1>kind of delightful, but it was unexpected. So there are

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<v Speaker 1>people actually surfing in front of the house today, which

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<v Speaker 1>is funny because the waves don't seem big enough to

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<v Speaker 1>be doing that. The weather is sunny during the days

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<v Speaker 1>and it rains a little bit at night, but we've

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<v Speaker 1>had crazy waves like today. These waves are and there's

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<v Speaker 1>an electrical storms a lot, and I love an electrical storm.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I've been hearing about all these people getting electrocuted,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm now scared of electrical story. You were you

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<v Speaker 1>saying somebody died from an electrical storm that was like

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<v Speaker 1>two miles away. Yes, yes, I've heard a friend of

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<v Speaker 1>a friend her husband was electrocuted. Then on my on

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<v Speaker 1>the island of Majorca, there was an electrical storm and

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<v Speaker 1>two men were electrocuted. And so I usually sleep with

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<v Speaker 1>my window open, and now I am like every time

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<v Speaker 1>there's a storm, I'm like, I better shut that window

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<v Speaker 1>because the lightning is coming after us. It's like sharks.

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<v Speaker 1>Like sharks were bothering us for a while, and guess

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<v Speaker 1>what they are bothering us now? Because of climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe. I believe everything is to blame on climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my new theory about everything. Can I tell you

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<v Speaker 1>something I think I heard in the night with my

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<v Speaker 1>window open. Oh my god, was it a sexual act?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it might have been, actually, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>for the last two nights I have heard of whales

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<v Speaker 1>from the ocean. But also it sounds like whale sounds underwater,

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe I am hallucinating at four in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you taking them a lot of edibles here? Mushrooms?

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<v Speaker 1>What of you ingested so far? Well, we did have

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<v Speaker 1>some mushrooms on one of the first evenings. My favorite

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<v Speaker 1>moment from that was when we were all giggling and

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<v Speaker 1>laughing and having dinner on the terrorists, and we thought

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<v Speaker 1>we heard the most lovely man singing opera music and

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<v Speaker 1>we went to go check it out. We leaned over

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<v Speaker 1>the terrace wall and we heard a man walking by,

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<v Speaker 1>just going We thought it was opera. It was my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite moment. My cousin Molly was like, Chelsea, can you

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<v Speaker 1>please turn the music off? I think I hear opera

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<v Speaker 1>so seriously, and I just was like, oh, shut up.

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<v Speaker 1>First all, do you know how long it takes me

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<v Speaker 1>to get the fucking music on with fucking son Nos?

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<v Speaker 1>I hate sons. I've named my baby Sons. He's upstairs

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<v Speaker 1>in the crib in my closet and I tape his

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<v Speaker 1>mouth shut every night so that he can't work, just

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<v Speaker 1>like my son Nos can't work. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I have an electrical charge within me that speaking of electricution,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I'm there's something that happens when

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<v Speaker 1>I touch music that makes it stop working. Anyway, we

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<v Speaker 1>turned it off so we could hear opera, only to

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<v Speaker 1>find out that there was a man drunk in the street.

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<v Speaker 1>La la la. But it sounded so beautiful to us. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Well I'm glad everyone's partaking. We do need more drugs

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<v Speaker 1>though this is a very light drug vacation. I wasn't prepared.

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<v Speaker 1>I just assumed people would bring them like they always do,

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<v Speaker 1>and not enough people did. We all just assumed you

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<v Speaker 1>would bring them yeah, well I'm out. I've been here

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<v Speaker 1>for about a month. I did. When I ask you

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<v Speaker 1>this of your time in Ma Yorka, what was your worst,

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<v Speaker 1>your weirdest, and your best experience? So far? My worst experience,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's think about worst experience other than oh so nos. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see, I've been doing a lot of biking, so

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<v Speaker 1>I think the day that we pushed it too far

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<v Speaker 1>probably would be one of my worst, not worst experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>Worst experiences here, I guess, are biking experiences. I probably

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<v Speaker 1>biked like something like sixty miles and I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>I had heat stroke and I went to bed at

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<v Speaker 1>six thirty. We had a chef that night coming in,

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<v Speaker 1>this woman, Dorothea, who's incredible, and I went to sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>I went upstairs to take a nap and warned everybody

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<v Speaker 1>that if I went down for a nap, I might

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<v Speaker 1>not get back up, which is exactly what happened. And

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<v Speaker 1>every time she comes, I've had heat stroke, or I've

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<v Speaker 1>been sick or dehydrated or too drunk or something that

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't have dinner. So Dorothea just thinks I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>hot mess um and I'm fine with that. So I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I wouldn't call that worst, but that was the most,

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<v Speaker 1>not the worst. My body felt like I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I was sick and I had heat stroke. My best

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<v Speaker 1>experience would also involve a bike ride. Oh, scuba diving.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been scuba diving three or four times since I've

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<v Speaker 1>been here, and that's been awesome because that used to

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<v Speaker 1>scare the ship out of me. And then the strangest

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<v Speaker 1>experience is that what you asked the strangest, Oh, I was, well,

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<v Speaker 1>not strangest, but it was funny. I was at to see.

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<v Speaker 1>I was at this kind of little yacht club the

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<v Speaker 1>other night we all went a group of my girlfriends.

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<v Speaker 1>Before this group came, my group from Whistler was here,

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<v Speaker 1>and we went to the out club and there was

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<v Speaker 1>this guy having a private party and I went in

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<v Speaker 1>and to order a drink and he's like, are you

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<v Speaker 1>with the party? And I was like no, and he

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<v Speaker 1>like motioned for me to like get the funk out,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like okay. And then as I was

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<v Speaker 1>walking out, somebody's like, I think that was Chelsea Handler

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<v Speaker 1>and I went down to sit at a different area

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<v Speaker 1>and then slowly, one by one, the entire party came

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<v Speaker 1>down to my area, and that guy was left by

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<v Speaker 1>himself at his own party. So that was actually one

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<v Speaker 1>of my best experiences now that I'm thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I liked when that happened. That was very funny because

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't argue. I just was like, Okay, buddy, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to be at your party. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, but guess where the party's going to end up?

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<v Speaker 1>All his friends wanted to be at your party. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that was good. I did like when we were

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<v Speaker 1>walking along to dinner the other night and two girls,

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<v Speaker 1>two American girls, stopped you and like, we're just such

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<v Speaker 1>big fans, You're amazing. And then one of them that

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<v Speaker 1>we were passing by them, and one of them was like,

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<v Speaker 1>can we can we maybe get a pick? And her

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<v Speaker 1>friend just cut her off and goes, no, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>doing that, and we all cheered. We're like, this friend

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<v Speaker 1>knew what was up, did her friend of salad? It

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<v Speaker 1>was great. Yeah, I like that. I like when somebody

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<v Speaker 1>interrupts that, it's like that's not necessary. That way, you

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<v Speaker 1>have an even better story, like we didn't interrupt her evening.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited for the jet lag that I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>have that we're all going to have when we go home,

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<v Speaker 1>but probably mine will be the worst because I've been

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<v Speaker 1>here for so long, for a whole month, that I

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<v Speaker 1>will be waking up at three thirty to four o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning for the next probably month and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>You also are flying back and you have a show

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<v Speaker 1>the next day. I don't know how You're Mountain Winery

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<v Speaker 1>sold out though, but I do have lots of shows

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<v Speaker 1>coming up in October and November. Yeah, so I'm you

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<v Speaker 1>could check Chelsea Handler dot com. And then there's I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing tons of dates and Passa Robliss, California, Baker's Field,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing Tampa, Florida. I'm doing Daytona Beach, Florida. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to all the hot spots you guys that I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't hit already on this tour. I would also like

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<v Speaker 1>to point out that you are doing what we now

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<v Speaker 1>know because of many emails that I have gotten. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Pennsylvania is announced reading Pennsylvania. Yes, yes, I'm sorry. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been mispronouncing that and I've gotten a lot of d

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<v Speaker 1>m s about that as well. In addition to all

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<v Speaker 1>the photos of feet that I get now of bare feet,

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<v Speaker 1>on airplanes, bare feet in lounges, bare feet at airports,

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<v Speaker 1>bare feet at movie theaters, bare feet at live concert events.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been bombarded with bare feet fit pictures of

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<v Speaker 1>bear feet. Honestly, you just need to start an only

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<v Speaker 1>fans and start uploading them. I mean, well, I do

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<v Speaker 1>need to start an only fans because I'm ready to

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<v Speaker 1>have sex on camera, but to do only fans without

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<v Speaker 1>sex like they're like fetish people are like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>my cooking show on only fans. I think that's what

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, even though that's what I'll be doing, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what it's for. It's time. Well, you're ready to take

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<v Speaker 1>some question. I am always Well, let's take a quick

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<v Speaker 1>break and we'll be back with our first questions. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're back here we are, So our first question comes

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<v Speaker 1>from Natalie. Natalie says, Dear Chelsea, this is probably the

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<v Speaker 1>pettiest email you'll get. I started a new job about

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<v Speaker 1>two months ago, and even though I have never introduced

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<v Speaker 1>myself as such, absolutely every single person calls me Nat.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate it and it makes me cringe, and no

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<v Speaker 1>one in my personal life calls me that. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>too late to correct people? Or is this just something

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<v Speaker 1>I now have to live with, or do I quit

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<v Speaker 1>respectfully yours Natalie Natalie emphasis on the alley. No, you

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<v Speaker 1>could just do I quit. I like that, it's that

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<v Speaker 1>horrible for her. I no, No, I understand when you're

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<v Speaker 1>not called the right name. Well, no, actually I don't,

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<v Speaker 1>because people call me Chelsea and I don't really care

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<v Speaker 1>about that. But if you do care about Nat instead

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<v Speaker 1>of Natalie, just correct them. Just tell them you prefer

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<v Speaker 1>to be called Natalie and that you had an uncle

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<v Speaker 1>named Nat that you know didn't turn out great or something.

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<v Speaker 1>If you need an excuse, but you don't, really it's

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<v Speaker 1>your name, Yeah, you hated not Cain Cole. No, you

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<v Speaker 1>should just tell people. Yeah. See, I get this because

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<v Speaker 1>I get called occasionally Cathy and I'm like, no, that's no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not me. Or you know, sometimes Pop will call

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<v Speaker 1>me Cat, which like is kind of fine, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't prefer to go by it. I prefer Catherine. But

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<v Speaker 1>I have a hard time correcting people in the moment

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<v Speaker 1>because of my Midwestern nice But I in Natalie honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>Since it's workplace, maybe it could involve like a small

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<v Speaker 1>funny workplace memo email or you know, something that goes around.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's a great idea. Yeah, make it funny. Send everyone

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<v Speaker 1>email goo. I know everyone started to call me Nat,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have a real issue with that name for

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<v Speaker 1>reasons I cannot explain. In this memo, can you please

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<v Speaker 1>refer to me as with my full name? Yeah, so, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, make it light, make it silly, but like

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<v Speaker 1>that way everyone gets the picture all at once, or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you meet people just saying like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, Actually people refer to me as Natalie

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<v Speaker 1>two months in. I think it's due for a funny memo. Yeah, well, Natalie,

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<v Speaker 1>your problem is solved, Okay, Natalie. I like how she

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<v Speaker 1>opened that with this might be the pettiest question we've

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<v Speaker 1>ever gotten, But I don't think petty. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>petty is the right word. But it's the least consequential

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<v Speaker 1>email we've gotten. But I love that, Like it's okay

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<v Speaker 1>to sense off that's not all about trauma. Yeah, well

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<v Speaker 1>we're yeah exactly. It's a nice breath of fresh air.

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<v Speaker 1>We need like questions sometimes, guys. Our next question comes

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<v Speaker 1>from Lisa. Lisa. Oh, and by the way, our theme

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<v Speaker 1>for today's episode is that colors from Europe because we're here,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a time differential, and you know we wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>record in the mornings. We've got European callers. Okay, dear Chelsea.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Sanna. I'm almost thirty years old and

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<v Speaker 1>I live in Belgium with my wife and dog. All

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<v Speaker 1>my life, I've been different than the rest, not that

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<v Speaker 1>I ever really cared about that, but I do a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of self reflection and sometimes I feel like too

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<v Speaker 1>much of an outcast. I had a pretty traumatic and

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<v Speaker 1>heavy past and tried therapy a few times because I

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<v Speaker 1>tend to self destruct. I stopped going since it was

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<v Speaker 1>so expensive and I wasn't clicking with any of them.

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<v Speaker 1>I started smoking weed a few years ago and it

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<v Speaker 1>has helped with my depression and anxiety. A few psychologists

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<v Speaker 1>hinted that I have a d h D after reading

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<v Speaker 1>as much as I could find about it. I do

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<v Speaker 1>think the same, but it always felt more than that

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<v Speaker 1>to me. After hanging out in the dog park one

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<v Speaker 1>day with a lovely lady that was on LSD at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment, she hinted that I seemed to be on

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<v Speaker 1>the spectrum. She felt like that because she also is.

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<v Speaker 1>I was convinced I wasn't and did an online test

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<v Speaker 1>to see if I had similarities. I scored the second

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<v Speaker 1>to the highest score on this test. It kind of

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<v Speaker 1>wrecked me already knowing that I might be on the spectrum,

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<v Speaker 1>But now I don't know how I feel about actually

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<v Speaker 1>getting diagnosed properly. In a way, it would help me

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<v Speaker 1>with my relationship with my wife and especially myself, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I would be less hard on myself, but it also

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<v Speaker 1>freaks me out. And it's so expensive to get diagnosed,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm hesitant. What should I do? Go for it

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<v Speaker 1>and get tested. I'm really lost love Sanna and she's

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<v Speaker 1>here with us. Hi, Sanna, Hi, how are you? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really good on you good, very good. We're excited to

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<v Speaker 1>be talking to you today. So oh, I love your story.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, that you've got a woman in the park.

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<v Speaker 1>It was on LSD who may have diagnosed you as

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<v Speaker 1>being on the spectrum. I didn't realize that it was

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<v Speaker 1>that expensive to get diagnosed. What's the situation with that?

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<v Speaker 1>So it costs like a thousand euros just to get diagnosed,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you didn't even have like any help or

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<v Speaker 1>any guidance, or they just sell you if you have

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<v Speaker 1>it or not? And what kind of testing is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that through a doctor? Is it that through a

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<v Speaker 1>government agency? Like? What is that? Yeah, it's like with

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<v Speaker 1>psychologists and and it takes a few days, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>like proper testing, like they test you on everything. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not just like for the autim or the d h D.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's good because then you know, like if you

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<v Speaker 1>have the full package. You know, But it's expensive, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's really expensive. No, it does sound expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that something you can afford? Um? I could? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to, right, right, But do you not

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<v Speaker 1>want to because of the money or do you not

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<v Speaker 1>want to because you're hesitant about finding out the results.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a little bit of both. People of

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<v Speaker 1>like such a thought, like they already have a judgment

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<v Speaker 1>about autism. And there's a lot of freedom in knowing

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<v Speaker 1>what your diagnosis is, you know what I mean. It

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<v Speaker 1>opens up a lot to understand yourself and to have

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<v Speaker 1>a better understanding, Like I have my friend who diagnosed

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<v Speaker 1>her husband with autism. She just kind of realized, oh

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<v Speaker 1>and saw all the signs and asked him if he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to get his testing, And once he found out

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<v Speaker 1>he had it, he understood all the things that he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't connecting. You know, there's a spectrum. We're all on

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<v Speaker 1>the spectrum. I joke with my friends all the time

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like one of us is, you know, on

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<v Speaker 1>one end of the spectrum, the other one is on

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<v Speaker 1>the other end of the spectrum. But it's like, these

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<v Speaker 1>aren't shameful diagnoses anymore. It's powerful to know, just as

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<v Speaker 1>powerful as it is to know if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>personality disorder, if you have a d D, how a

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<v Speaker 1>d h D plays into something like autism, and how

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<v Speaker 1>those two things work in conjunction. Like what do you

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<v Speaker 1>notice about yourself and your personality traits that would lead

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<v Speaker 1>you to think that you were autistic or have a

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<v Speaker 1>d h D. I think I'm a very socially awkward person,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I mimic a lot of situations from TV and

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<v Speaker 1>like watching people, So in my head it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how you talk to people, or like that's how

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<v Speaker 1>you behave or my wife were together for seven years

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<v Speaker 1>now and she helped me so much all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>She has to like kick me in and be like

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<v Speaker 1>you can't say that that's rude, or like you're weird.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't react in this way, and I'm like, oh funk, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I look it up and I'm like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so weird, Like wow, how could I not think about it?

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<v Speaker 1>And like my emotions in general, I tend to spiral

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<v Speaker 1>into an emotion or I'm emotionless, or I spiral in

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<v Speaker 1>one emotion and I have like a breakdown things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I just have a lot of anxiety if things that

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<v Speaker 1>don't go according to how we will go in my head,

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<v Speaker 1>like I tend to like creak out a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>since I had such a heavy past and I I

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<v Speaker 1>had to grow up really fast, so I learned how

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<v Speaker 1>to do a lot of stuff. So I realized, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm what they call masking. I feel like I've been

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<v Speaker 1>masking a lot in my life and I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always almost underwater, like trying to breathe, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that has a lot to do with it, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe being diagnosed and finally know like okay, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>all masking, Like it's normal that you're like this. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it will make me like breath after a while. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. And are you taking any medication for your

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<v Speaker 1>a d h D. Nice smoke smoke weed. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you should definitely just use the money get diagnosed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to give you a lot more freedom. It

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<v Speaker 1>feels like what you're talking about, you're kind of stuck,

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<v Speaker 1>like when you said you're underwater. It would be so

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<v Speaker 1>nice to be above water and not have that feeling anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a lot of liberty that comes with understanding

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<v Speaker 1>your personality. And there's no shame in that, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, Like you don't have to tell everybody

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<v Speaker 1>that you're autistic or you're that you're on the spectrum,

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<v Speaker 1>if that's what you end up being. I know in America, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's talking about this right now, and everyone's interested, and

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's curious, and if anyone's on the spectrum, they do

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<v Speaker 1>want to know about it. And maybe it's taking a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of a longer time to get to Europe

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<v Speaker 1>in that way, but I think that you should embrace it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's nothing to not be proud of. Autistic

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<v Speaker 1>people have so much to offer and it's so like you,

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<v Speaker 1>You have things to offer that people who think in

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<v Speaker 1>a linear way and that don't suffer from that social

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<v Speaker 1>anxiety aren't offering up you know, because that's considered normal,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas what you're considered what what you have is a

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<v Speaker 1>different version of being normal, you know, And there's probably

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<v Speaker 1>a large community of people once you find out what

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<v Speaker 1>your exact diagnosis is that you can connect with, so

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<v Speaker 1>you don't feel so alone and you don't feel so

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<v Speaker 1>unique and abnormal so to speak. Mm hmm, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense. And I would also say, you've had this

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<v Speaker 1>confirmation from like a lady on LSD and an online test,

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<v Speaker 1>official testing might be a great way to go, but

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<v Speaker 1>you might all so because I know you're sort of like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't give me any treatment, that's just the confirmation.

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<v Speaker 1>So you might maybe potentially skip a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a step and talk to a therapist who specializes and

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<v Speaker 1>people who are on the spectrum, and they might be

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<v Speaker 1>able to after interacting with you for a little while

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<v Speaker 1>kind of sort of tell you if you need to

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<v Speaker 1>get official testing and get a real diagnosis, or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>whether they can just start treating you because they'll be

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<v Speaker 1>able to see some of those signs. But I really

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<v Speaker 1>think with anything like this because I have a d

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<v Speaker 1>h D and it's something that I didn't I was

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<v Speaker 1>very lucky, like I found out that I had a

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<v Speaker 1>d h D amongst a group of people who also

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<v Speaker 1>had a d h D, and we're super successful entrepreneurs,

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<v Speaker 1>interesting people, And in that context, it was like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a superpower. We know how to get things done, we

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<v Speaker 1>know how to start projects where leaders, all these wonderful things.

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<v Speaker 1>And I really think that some of these things that

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<v Speaker 1>are posed as limitations in a lot of ways can

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely become superpowers. But you can't find the tools to

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<v Speaker 1>help you until you kind of know whether that's what

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<v Speaker 1>you're dealing with or not. Yeah, that's true, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you take medication for a d h D, Catherine,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't take medication. I've tried it a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but it kind of made me feel a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>almost like hyper focused, And yeah, I had the same. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, it's more about having built in tools around me. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, I make excessive lists. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>don't like to make a list, but you know, any

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<v Speaker 1>time I need to remember something or something comes up,

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<v Speaker 1>I write it down if I need to follow up

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<v Speaker 1>on it, because otherwise it's gone yes, And I love

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<v Speaker 1>to write ship down that already did yes exactly, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I get the satisfaction of crossing it off, it's delightful.

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<v Speaker 1>Or for example, you know, if I'm talking to a

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<v Speaker 1>friend at a party and I'm like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta check out this Netflix documentary or whatever, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be like, text me tomorrow and I'll let you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because i know I'm never going to remember the scent

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<v Speaker 1>it um. So it's just about like building in those

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<v Speaker 1>tools to help you relate to others, to help you

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<v Speaker 1>in work with your wife, whatever it might be. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's anything to be afraid of though, No,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely not. It shouldn't be. You should like run towards that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because knowledge is power. The more you know

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<v Speaker 1>about yourself, the more power you have over every situation.

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<v Speaker 1>So you should definitely go get that testing done or

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<v Speaker 1>find a therapist that you can work with who can

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<v Speaker 1>kind of help guide you to figure out what your

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<v Speaker 1>diagnosis is. Yeah, let's see if the lady on Lyssie

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<v Speaker 1>was right. She probably was. She probably was. He disappeared, though,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what happened to her. I haven't seen. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but also, you know, a therapist and expert in this

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<v Speaker 1>field or related fields will also be able to help

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<v Speaker 1>you figure out the relationship between everything you have going on.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you have anxiety and maybe a d h

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<v Speaker 1>D and maybe you're on the spectrum a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a relationship between those things. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>once you get tools to deal with some of those things,

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<v Speaker 1>like for me, having tools to make sure that like

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<v Speaker 1>I know that I'm good at my job or I

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<v Speaker 1>know I'm doing what I need to in my interpersonal relationships,

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<v Speaker 1>that also helps my anxiety go down, you know, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's all sort of interconnected as well. Yeah, you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, No, I know, I'm going to get this

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<v Speaker 1>good and report back. Let us know what happens. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks Anna, sa I how cute is she cute? I

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<v Speaker 1>think everyone's on the spectrum and we all just need

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<v Speaker 1>to accept that. You just have to find out what

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<v Speaker 1>part of the spectrum you're on. Yeah, that's a good point.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean everything she was describing, like her wife has

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<v Speaker 1>to kick her under the table when she says something

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<v Speaker 1>at a table a dinner party, or kind of spiraling

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<v Speaker 1>when you said something down and you know, friendship relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think that's all very normal. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean it's like the sexuality spectrum. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like gender identification and all of that. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>we're all finding out that it's not one thing or

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<v Speaker 1>the other. There's no black and white. There's a whole

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<v Speaker 1>array of possibilities, and it's like who cares, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean at this point, like there's no nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to be embarrassed about. Yeah, it's just like find out

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<v Speaker 1>what works for you and then do that. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at us at a deficit in one area,

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<v Speaker 1>that means even if that's how you view it, like oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this makes me deficient, it's like, no, that makes you

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<v Speaker 1>excel in other areas. Yeah. Absolutely. Even watching like Love

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<v Speaker 1>on the Spectrum, that Netflix show, which I absolutely love,

0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:37.399
<v Speaker 1>you see these people who you know, one for example,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, oh, I've never had a girlfriend, but they

0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:42.760
<v Speaker 1>can be like what seventy five times forty two and

0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:46.080
<v Speaker 1>instantly knows exactly what the number is. They can be

0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:48.800
<v Speaker 1>like what day of the week was, you know, April four,

0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and he knows like it's a Monday. I mean that's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously a sort of on a further end of the spectrum,

0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:59.920
<v Speaker 1>but there are absolutely superpowers that come with that. Well,

0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:02.359
<v Speaker 1>that was how what was it? How did they frame

0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:05.640
<v Speaker 1>it with the Dustin Hoffman Tom Cruise movie. Dustin Hoffman

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<v Speaker 1>was was he identified as autistic in that movie? Because

0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:12.159
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that was before they called a savant. Yeah,

0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:14.280
<v Speaker 1>like in that Rain of rain Man. Yeah, that was

0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 1>before we even were talking about like autism in the

0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:19.840
<v Speaker 1>way we are today. Totally, that was sort of viewed

0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:22.800
<v Speaker 1>as a binary, like you're a savant or your typical,

0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:26.200
<v Speaker 1>your normal, so so to speak. But I think Santa's

0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:28.040
<v Speaker 1>got some good work ahead of her and she's going

0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:31.040
<v Speaker 1>to be ay. Okay, Yeah, I like that she's got

0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:33.399
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she's in a healthy relationship. It sounds like,

0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:42.120
<v Speaker 1>so there, that's a good thing. Totally, totally Okay. Well,

0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:46.280
<v Speaker 1>our next question comes from Lisa. Hi, Chelsea, thank you

0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:49.520
<v Speaker 1>for your fun and enlightening podcast. My name is Lisa.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a forty year old woman from Oslo, Norway, no kids,

0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:55.679
<v Speaker 1>no husband, but a dog. Two years ago, I moved

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:57.919
<v Speaker 1>far north for a job, but also to get some

0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:01.320
<v Speaker 1>distance between me and my family, friends a network. I've

0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:03.800
<v Speaker 1>spent this time doing lots of therapy and healing work,

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:06.080
<v Speaker 1>and it turns out there's really not many people I

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:08.400
<v Speaker 1>want to keep in my life. It's been a really

0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:11.159
<v Speaker 1>sad and lonely realization that I'm pretty much on my

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 1>own in life. But at least now I can move

0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:16.360
<v Speaker 1>forward with clarity. I just quit my job up here

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:19.400
<v Speaker 1>and I'm ready to start something new. My question is

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:21.639
<v Speaker 1>is it crazy to move to a new country alone

0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 1>at forty starting my life from scratch, or is it

0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:27.439
<v Speaker 1>better to go back to my hometown of Oslo and

0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:30.119
<v Speaker 1>make a new start there. I want to be adventurous

0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:31.920
<v Speaker 1>like I was in my twenties, but it feels a

0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:35.000
<v Speaker 1>lot scarier now. Some advice would be great. Thank you

0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:40.880
<v Speaker 1>and take care. Love, Lisa, Hi, Lisa, Hi, Oh my god? Hello?

0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Can you hear me? Hi? How are you? I'm good? Awesome. So, Lisa,

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:51.960
<v Speaker 1>where are you living now? I'm living in the Norway,

0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:56.000
<v Speaker 1>in the north of Norway, Okay, and I will you

0:25:56.040 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 1>guys are in Spain. Yeah? Cool? So you are contemplating

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:06.000
<v Speaker 1>picking up and moving. Yeah, I'm kind of in a

0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 1>little of a midlife crisis situation because things hasn't turned

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:14.120
<v Speaker 1>out the way I probably had envisioned for myself being

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:17.960
<v Speaker 1>at this age and time in my life, and I

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:22.439
<v Speaker 1>just think that that's an opportunity to do something completely different,

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:25.440
<v Speaker 1>like I have I don't have kids, I don't have anything,

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Like I have a dog that I have to bring

0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:30.000
<v Speaker 1>up with me. But apart from that, I'm pretty free

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:32.679
<v Speaker 1>to do things. But at the same time, it feels

0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of scary. I did this move. I mean, I

0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 1>moved a few times before. I've lived in other countries

0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:42.200
<v Speaker 1>before when I was younger, but it was different then

0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:45.080
<v Speaker 1>because it was with studies and now it's more like

0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:48.119
<v Speaker 1>you have to start all on your own. And and

0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:51.159
<v Speaker 1>so you were saying that you're contemplating moving to a

0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:54.960
<v Speaker 1>completely new city or back to your hometown. Yeah, I'm

0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:58.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of in between right now. And I just found

0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:01.120
<v Speaker 1>like this really cute little three house that I might

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:04.920
<v Speaker 1>be able to get here. So everything is at the moment,

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:08.639
<v Speaker 1>it's I have a job interview tomorrow, So it's like

0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 1>it's a lot of different directions at this moment, and

0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:16.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm not really sure what's the best thing to do. Okay,

0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:18.120
<v Speaker 1>So you have an opportunity to get a little dream

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 1>house where in Oslo here in the north, Okay, and

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 1>moving home would be moving to Oslo, is that correct?

0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:28.639
<v Speaker 1>That's right? Okay? And the job interview would be in

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<v Speaker 1>the north as well. The job interview is in the

0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:34.879
<v Speaker 1>one that's now isn't Oslo, And it's a really cool

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:38.879
<v Speaker 1>opportunity for me, actually, and I was really excited to

0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 1>get this interview, and so that's cool. But at the

0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:44.520
<v Speaker 1>same time, there's a lot of things that I don't

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 1>want in Oslo, Like I have some really golden friends

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:50.439
<v Speaker 1>and people that I that I miss a lot, and

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 1>that would be great to see. But I also feel

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 1>after I moved here that I've changed so much and

0:27:56.200 --> 0:28:00.600
<v Speaker 1>I've changed perspectives a lot, and I find that maybe

0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 1>it would be better to just try something completely different. Okay.

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 1>And when you say your life hasn't turned out the

0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:08.240
<v Speaker 1>way that you thought it would, what do you mean

0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 1>by that? What did you picture for yourself or envision?

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 1>I guess like I've never been the kind of I've

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 1>never had, like, oh, I'm gonna get married and have

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 1>kids by that, I've never had that kind of thing.

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I was really just shocked when people in the early thirties,

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.159
<v Speaker 1>when everyone around me was doing that, I was like,

0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 1>what are we there already? Like I couldn't relate to

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:30.239
<v Speaker 1>it at all, And so I just felt like I

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.720
<v Speaker 1>had all the time in the world, and then I

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.359
<v Speaker 1>met a guy and suddenly I was like super in love.

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 1>It was in my mid thirties and all of that

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 1>was suddenly happening for me, and I just felt like,

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 1>obviously that's what's going to happen, right, like this is it.

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 1>And I was really happy about it. But I was

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:50.240
<v Speaker 1>also I'm sure, which I mean now I'm so so

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:53.160
<v Speaker 1>glad it did not been like it was completely the

0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 1>wrong guy and everything. But after that I had like

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:58.480
<v Speaker 1>a real like, what the fuck it's going to happen now?

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 1>I felt like the train had left the station and

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>wasn't there even a move to New York in the

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 1>picture or somewhere totally fresh and new that you're considering, Yes, exactly,

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 1>because I talked to this woman and she was like,

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 1>she said, I don't think you should live you know,

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>a way at all. And I've always heard that I'm

0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 1>not very in Norwegian, like I've never felt that I've

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 1>completely like fit in. For instance, I lived in Italy

0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>and my temperament and my my personality is much more

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Italian than Norwegian. With the politics in America, I was

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 1>scaring the ship out of me so thatth Nicks and

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 1>that's all like tempting, but it seems like there's more

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 1>options for women, Like there's so many more lifestyles to explore.

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I've always wanted to live there, and that's something to

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<v Speaker 1>consider now, right, So yeah, I mean the advantage about

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>being a foreigner and moving to America is like, you know,

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 1>if the politics gets too bad, you can always bounce

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 1>out of there. It's not like you're tied down to staying.

0:29:57.280 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I would say, like, I'm always up for an advant

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<v Speaker 1>and share and at forty like, if you don't do

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:05.280
<v Speaker 1>it now, you might not do it. So I would

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 1>always lean towards like, oh God, take a huge leap

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 1>of faith, you know, get do and try something new,

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of infuse your life with some excitement

0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 1>that you can really like be excited about. You know,

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:19.160
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of reasons you don't want to move

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 1>back to Oslo. And you'll see what happens with this interview,

0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 1>and if it becomes a job opportunity, then you know

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:30.280
<v Speaker 1>you'll be considering that more. But I would always I

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:33.320
<v Speaker 1>air on the side of taking a leap of faith,

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 1>like I just think that that always yields much more

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 1>exciting results than falling into what has worked for you

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 1>before or an old pattern or yeah, like going back

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 1>home to me doesn't sound like a great move, That

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound like a new life for or what you're

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>looking for. And it's always gonna be there, like that's

0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 1>my home time, like that's where my family lives and

0:30:57.760 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 1>I have friends, and it's always going to be there.

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:04.320
<v Speaker 1>So that's the security about of course living in Scandinavia

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:06.959
<v Speaker 1>or you know, in any Western countries that you can

0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 1>always go back if things you know don't torn up.

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 1>But even just moving to another like up in the

0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 1>north here it was like under the pandemic and I

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:18.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't know anybody, and people who are really kind of

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.400
<v Speaker 1>in the beginning very close off, and it was really

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 1>tough because I'm very social person and I've never been

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:27.200
<v Speaker 1>so lonely in my life that I've been up here.

0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:30.640
<v Speaker 1>But it's been an amazing experience. So I feel like

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 1>if I could do that, then with Americans it seems

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>like like you're really good at like small talking and

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:40.160
<v Speaker 1>all that, but it's it's a very surface leveled everything.

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Is that true? Well, it can be true. I think

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:46.680
<v Speaker 1>it depends on where you are a friend of mine

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:49.240
<v Speaker 1>just moved to New York and he was sort of

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 1>in a similar situation where he like always wanted to

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 1>move to New York. He turned fifty and he had

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:56.800
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a health event in the last

0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:59.040
<v Speaker 1>year that he was just like, you know what, I

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 1>need to get my brain doing stuff that's like brand new,

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.800
<v Speaker 1>break out of my mold, create some new neural pathways.

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 1>And I've always wanted to do this. So he moved.

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 1>And when he did move, he was like, you know what,

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:12.880
<v Speaker 1>every time I go out, I make five new friends

0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 1>and they're sort of like single serving friends where it's

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 1>like super exciting and new. But now he's been there

0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 1>for three months and he's really becoming like part of

0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:25.040
<v Speaker 1>the fabric of the community that he's in. He's calling

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 1>up these people that he met and they're going out

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 1>and he's sort of like starting to make friends. And

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:32.320
<v Speaker 1>that's only three months in. But New York feels like

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 1>a good place for that. If you're like ready to

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 1>go have an adventure. I mean, look, you're you're smiling

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 1>from ear to ear when you when you talk about

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:43.720
<v Speaker 1>it and we think about it. I think you have

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 1>to follow things that make you light up exactly. It's

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:50.959
<v Speaker 1>just so to get constricted when you're like reaching certain

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 1>age and you feel like, well, that was what you

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 1>did in your twenties or whatever, and it's like, well,

0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to be, you know, it doesn't really, No,

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it does have to be. And you

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 1>just already exhibited that you can handle a situation by

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 1>moving to the North and not having that social kind

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 1>of fabric that you are used to and surviving that.

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:12.960
<v Speaker 1>It's not going to be like that in New York City.

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:15.880
<v Speaker 1>There's just by the sheer volume of people, you're gonna

0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 1>find people and you'll be able to sort through them

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 1>pretty quickly. Like I would say, Yeah, l A can

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 1>be is probably much more shallow than New York. There's

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot more substance there. So while Americans in general,

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:31.600
<v Speaker 1>like as a stereotype, might not have that much depth. Like,

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 1>you're always going to find people, you know, you kind

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:37.880
<v Speaker 1>of attract what you are, so like you're gonna find

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 1>people who have more to offer than just surface talk,

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 1>just by the nature of you having more of that

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 1>to offer. Yeah, and forty is so young. It's so young. Yes, No,

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean you're absolutely in your prime. You seem like

0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:57.680
<v Speaker 1>someone who's very open to adventure and seeking adventure, and

0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 1>I think it would be you would be making yourselves

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 1>smaller to do something that feels like it's not the

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 1>right choice, to go somewhere where you know, like you said,

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 1>all eyes are on you. How are you living your life?

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:10.759
<v Speaker 1>Are you gonna settle down anytime soon? Is sort of

0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:13.239
<v Speaker 1>the question that's in the air. I mean, this is

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:16.520
<v Speaker 1>absolutely a time to go have an adventure. Yeah, I'm

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:19.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna go and look at LinkedIn and see what options

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 1>there are from me. God, do that, and try and

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.360
<v Speaker 1>set up some yeah, try and set up some interviews

0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that so you can keep the ball

0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.759
<v Speaker 1>rolling in the right direction. Yeah. Yeah. And it's really

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 1>cool to take that kind of risk and to take

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:36.120
<v Speaker 1>that kind of chance and to like always act bravely,

0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, because it's a brave action and a bold

0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:42.319
<v Speaker 1>notion to pick up and move and good things are

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:45.320
<v Speaker 1>going to happen because of it. Yeah. Right, It's true.

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:48.759
<v Speaker 1>I've never regretted any like risks. I mean, you never

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 1>regret the things you do, right, it's the things you

0:34:51.160 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>don't do well. It depends. Yeah, Well, Lisa, let us

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:03.280
<v Speaker 1>know how it goes, and what you decide to do,

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:06.279
<v Speaker 1>I will thank you so much, thank you, and just

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 1>remember you will be welcomed with open arms if you're

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:13.880
<v Speaker 1>forty and not interested in having children in America. Exactly, exactly,

0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:20.000
<v Speaker 1>that's good. Nice to talk to you. To enjoy Spain by,

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:25.279
<v Speaker 1>take care by. Thanks. She's cute. Yeah, she's gonna go

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:28.400
<v Speaker 1>have a fabulous adventure wherever it is. I like how

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:31.080
<v Speaker 1>people think it's forties too late for things. It's like,

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:35.120
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna live till we're sucking eighty, I mean probably longer.

0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 1>My folks when they were in there, like late fifties,

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>picked up, took my thirteen year old brother and moved

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:45.360
<v Speaker 1>to Costa Rica for a year. Yes, and they in

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:50.880
<v Speaker 1>their fifties learned Spanish from like not knowing anything. My

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:53.960
<v Speaker 1>little brother started in the language school where they were studying.

0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 1>He after a couple of months, of course, surpassed the

0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:58.839
<v Speaker 1>language school and they were like, what do you think

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 1>about enrolling him in regular school here? So he did,

0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 1>And where were you at this time? I was a

0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:06.520
<v Speaker 1>freshman in college. So yeah, so I went off to

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 1>college and they abandoned me for Costa Rica. But I

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 1>can't blame them because you know I went down for

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:17.120
<v Speaker 1>vacations and yes, yeah, so, I mean it's truly it's

0:36:17.200 --> 0:36:23.400
<v Speaker 1>never too late. No, yeah, no, it's never too late. Everybody. Okay, okay,

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:28.399
<v Speaker 1>And our last cult day comes from m she says,

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Dear Chelsea, I'm thirty six, and I'm often told that

0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm too intimidating for guys to date me. I have

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:36.200
<v Speaker 1>a small business which has been going pretty well over

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:39.439
<v Speaker 1>the years and has given me financial stability and independence,

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>and I guess also confidence in my field of work. However,

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 1>shortly before the pandemic started, I ended a long term relationship.

0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Among other issues we had, he was quite bothered with

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 1>my career and would often let me know directly or

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:54.760
<v Speaker 1>in a passive aggressive way that he didn't feel needed

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 1>because I didn't require support. As he would often put it,

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:01.920
<v Speaker 1>for him, support meant being a provider. He was right

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:04.120
<v Speaker 1>about that, as I really didn't need a provider. I

0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 1>needed a partner on equal footing. After that relationship ended,

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 1>I've dated a few guys, but the issue has reappeared

0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:12.839
<v Speaker 1>time and again. I've noticed guys are put off by

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 1>my career and don't like my independence. I know that

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 1>it's their own insecurity, and I don't intend to apologize

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 1>for my success because it's taken a lot of effort

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.480
<v Speaker 1>to get here. So my question for you is, how

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:25.719
<v Speaker 1>do I find guys that will not be insecure like

0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 1>that and we'll be willing to take on a relationship

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:30.719
<v Speaker 1>of equals. I feel like the patriarchy is so deep

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 1>rooted and I don't fit the standards guys are used

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 1>to and feel comfortable with. So essentially I'm screwed. What's

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:38.759
<v Speaker 1>your thought on this? Thank you? And I love the

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:43.839
<v Speaker 1>podcast best. From across the Pond? Um hi, um, hi there, Hi,

0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:48.080
<v Speaker 1>how are you? I'm really well, thank you. It's lovely

0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:52.920
<v Speaker 1>to meet you guys next to me. Where you so

0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 1>really across the pond? Oh wow, I've never been to Poland,

0:37:57.760 --> 0:37:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh you should, well, crack I was really beautiful, So

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:02.919
<v Speaker 1>that's what I hear. Yeah, I hear, crac Yeah are

0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:06.719
<v Speaker 1>you Polish? Are you American? Oh? Oh god, I thought

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:11.360
<v Speaker 1>you sent it American? Okay. I was like, wait, is

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:16.440
<v Speaker 1>that a compliment them? Well, yeah, no, I understand what

0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:18.880
<v Speaker 1>you mean. I've I've experienced that my whole life, you know,

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:22.160
<v Speaker 1>men being intimidated by me or turned off by me,

0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:24.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, they like I think they do get turned off.

0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:26.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that there's much you can do about

0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:29.359
<v Speaker 1>it other than try to like own your own self

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:32.480
<v Speaker 1>esteem and your own like, you know, knowing that it's

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 1>not necessary. Obviously you want to find a partner, but

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 1>it's not necessary to find a partner. And as long

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:40.480
<v Speaker 1>as you have the line of thinking that you have

0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 1>to find one, I always find that to be a

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 1>little bit more limiting than being open to the possibility

0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:48.279
<v Speaker 1>that you may not need one, even if that's not

0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:50.400
<v Speaker 1>what you're looking for. It's like it's better just to

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.560
<v Speaker 1>not have a need for that, you know. And I

0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:55.960
<v Speaker 1>think once you kind of let go of that need

0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:59.920
<v Speaker 1>to partner up with somebody, I feel like more opportu

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:03.600
<v Speaker 1>tunities seem to present themselves. Yeah, yeah, I know, I

0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:06.520
<v Speaker 1>get what you're saying. I I also will say I

0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:10.000
<v Speaker 1>don't really date that much. And it's sometimes sometimes I

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 1>get the feeling that maybe it's because I'm not very girly,

0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:15.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, like I don't do the whole like betting

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:19.440
<v Speaker 1>my eyelashes and being like alerty I guess in a

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:23.880
<v Speaker 1>very girly way, so that sometimes maybe is I don't know.

0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'm not that approachable. Sometimes I'm kind of doubting

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:30.200
<v Speaker 1>myself as to how I act around guys or although

0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:33.640
<v Speaker 1>I do feel confident in approaching them or talking to them,

0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:36.680
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not girly and that say yeah, yeah, But

0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:38.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's something that you want to change,

0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:40.279
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Because that's like almost putting

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:42.760
<v Speaker 1>on an affectation. I've been told that so many times,

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:45.000
<v Speaker 1>like you don't know how to flirt, or you're not yeah,

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.360
<v Speaker 1>exactly the same notes that you're talking about. People have

0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:49.920
<v Speaker 1>given me, And I'm like, well, that's not who I am.

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:52.160
<v Speaker 1>That would be like fake, and I that's the one

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:54.719
<v Speaker 1>thing that I do not. I can't be fake. I

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 1>can't pretend to be something that I'm not. So I

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:00.880
<v Speaker 1>would stay true to who you are and kind of

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.920
<v Speaker 1>like let go, you know what I mean. Believe that

0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 1>your person is coming, and it's probably not going to

0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:09.440
<v Speaker 1>be in the time frame that you would desire, but

0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:13.040
<v Speaker 1>to believe that and just let it go and continue

0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:15.720
<v Speaker 1>to be who you are and stand in your real

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:20.480
<v Speaker 1>power of like being a strong, opinionated woman, and some

0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:22.719
<v Speaker 1>guy is going to love that and love you for

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:24.480
<v Speaker 1>all of those things and he's not going to want

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 1>to change anything about you. Yeah, that's the dream. Yeah,

0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:31.720
<v Speaker 1>and those dreams become a reality for so many people,

0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:34.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, and it can be true for you too.

0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:38.160
<v Speaker 1>It's a matter of just not holding onto this idea

0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:41.160
<v Speaker 1>of something so much and twisting and shaping yourself to

0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:45.479
<v Speaker 1>meet someone else's needs. Like that's unnecessary. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:47.360
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know what you mean. Also, that's the

0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:50.439
<v Speaker 1>way I'm telling myself constantly, because I also I don't

0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:52.560
<v Speaker 1>want to be like hung up on the idea of

0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 1>trying to find a partner just for the sake of

0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:57.800
<v Speaker 1>finding one that that doesn't work either, So I'm just

0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of trying to go with the flow. But but

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:03.319
<v Speaker 1>it is sometimes kind of you know, like it it

0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:05.720
<v Speaker 1>gets into my head like am I doing something wrong

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:07.759
<v Speaker 1>or is it just the world that it's just you know,

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:10.920
<v Speaker 1>not there for me yet. Yeah, I don't think you're

0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:13.959
<v Speaker 1>doing anything wrong, you know. I mean, honestly, so many

0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:16.080
<v Speaker 1>women have this issue, and it's like the world is

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 1>always in a weird place, and we're definitely in a

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 1>weird place. People are weird after COVID. Just I think

0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 1>things like this come to you when when you take

0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:26.799
<v Speaker 1>the pressure off of yourself, and so I think that

0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:30.279
<v Speaker 1>would be your takeaway. Stop putting so much pressure on

0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:34.400
<v Speaker 1>the situation and stop second guessing yourself. You know what

0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean. You have a life, live it, enjoy the

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 1>people that are in it, and be open to, you know,

0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:44.640
<v Speaker 1>the possibility of meeting somebody in a situation that may

0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:47.040
<v Speaker 1>not be the most typical one or you know, just

0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 1>keep your eyes and ears open and as long as

0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:51.799
<v Speaker 1>your heart is open and your mind is open, things

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 1>will come to you. Yeah. That's that's that's hopefully what's

0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:58.239
<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. And this, you know,

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:00.800
<v Speaker 1>this idea of like I need to be cutatious or

0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:02.920
<v Speaker 1>I need to be you know, batting my eyelashes. That's

0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:06.920
<v Speaker 1>sort of playing into these gender roles and stereotypes that

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:10.520
<v Speaker 1>are exactly not what you're into, not what you're going after.

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 1>You know. The kinds of guys who will respond to

0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:15.600
<v Speaker 1>that and not just like WHOA, she's so smart, she's

0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:18.439
<v Speaker 1>so fun Like she's so cool to be around. Those

0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:20.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of guys are the guys who want to be

0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:23.439
<v Speaker 1>the be the hero and you know, need to be

0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:26.840
<v Speaker 1>supporting you sort of thing. So and I think Chelsea

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:29.040
<v Speaker 1>said this on the podcast before. But you know, if

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 1>if you're not finding the right guy, you're finding these

0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:34.520
<v Speaker 1>kinds of guys who feel like they need to be

0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:36.480
<v Speaker 1>in control or they need to have, you know, a

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 1>heightened power dynamic with you in a relationship, then you

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 1>just haven't found the right guy yet. Yeah, and it

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:43.880
<v Speaker 1>might be you know, I don't know. What do you

0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 1>think it's a little bit of a cultural thing as well.

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:51.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't because I've I've dated people from all over,

0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:55.480
<v Speaker 1>like it was with a guy from Spain, but I

0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:57.560
<v Speaker 1>did the Polish guys, I did the British guy, So

0:42:57.840 --> 0:43:02.200
<v Speaker 1>I kind of find the same thing every time. Yeah,

0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 1>m hmmmmmm. I mean guys everywhere a little bit like this.

0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:08.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean a lot of guys. Are you on dating

0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 1>websites and stuff like that? Is that how you do

0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 1>the thing? Is that I hate the dating websites or

0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:17.160
<v Speaker 1>apps or I don't. I don't know. I just I

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:19.719
<v Speaker 1>don't find myself in you know, like just putting a

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:22.400
<v Speaker 1>picture and saying yeah, hi, that's just me. I don't know,

0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:24.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't That's not how I like to meet people.

0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:28.399
<v Speaker 1>So you got guys to like, um, acquaintances of like

0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:30.680
<v Speaker 1>or like former co workers or like just people that

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:32.640
<v Speaker 1>I've hung out with, and then I kind of felt

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.440
<v Speaker 1>the connection. So that's kind of my style of dating.

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:38.319
<v Speaker 1>And but yeah, maybe the dating apps or the next

0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:41.640
<v Speaker 1>thing to explore, I don't know. And how old are you?

0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:46.080
<v Speaker 1>I just turned forty seven, okay, And so you've been

0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:49.799
<v Speaker 1>in a few long term relationships. Well, it was the

0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:52.640
<v Speaker 1>one like really long term one really, and then I

0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:55.840
<v Speaker 1>just dated for like maybe several months, but not not

0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:58.880
<v Speaker 1>too seriously. Like the one serious was the one that

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:03.760
<v Speaker 1>ended when COVID started. So yeah, mm hmmmm mmmm, Okay,

0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Well that's good. I think you're gonna be just fine,

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:08.240
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. I think it's just like relax.

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Like people get a little bit like, yeah, they get

0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of anxiety related to dating into meeting

0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 1>the right person and all of that, and it's just

0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:18.799
<v Speaker 1>too much pressure to put yourself under earth and it

0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:22.799
<v Speaker 1>doesn't yield good results anyway. You know, you get into

0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:25.160
<v Speaker 1>a situation where you almost start to feel a little

0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:26.959
<v Speaker 1>bit desperate, and you don't want to feel that way.

0:44:27.040 --> 0:44:29.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, you want to give off the good vibes,

0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:32.600
<v Speaker 1>not the desperate vibes and you're not desperate, so you know,

0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:34.520
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to feel that way in any way,

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:38.600
<v Speaker 1>shape or form. Yeah. I think it's also like my family.

0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 1>My parents never hint on the fact that I don't

0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:44.120
<v Speaker 1>have a partner, but then like the aunts and uncle,

0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:46.480
<v Speaker 1>uncles and my cousins are sometimes like, why are you

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:49.200
<v Speaker 1>going to bring someone home like for Christmas or something,

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:51.759
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, well, you know, if there's someone to

0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:54.680
<v Speaker 1>bring the chore, but you know, yeah, I wouldn't worry

0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 1>about anything that anybody else says anyway, So just ignore that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:02.359
<v Speaker 1>that's what that's not doing. Yeah. I do think it's

0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:04.879
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a numbers game, right, The more

0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:07.279
<v Speaker 1>people you meet, the more likelihood that you're going to

0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 1>meet the one. Dating apps, I don't have a lot

0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:13.319
<v Speaker 1>of personal experience with them, but one of the best

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 1>stories that I have heard my sister in law, my

0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:18.960
<v Speaker 1>now sister in law, she came back from visiting her

0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 1>cousins in Ireland and they all were like, you're about

0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:23.560
<v Speaker 1>to turn thirty, you know, you don't have a man,

0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:26.000
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah, and she was so pissed at them

0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 1>that she went like signed up for a dating app,

0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:31.080
<v Speaker 1>and she just decided to go on every first date.

0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 1>So she this was my favorite thing that she did.

0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:37.840
<v Speaker 1>She had three date outfits. She had a first date outfit,

0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:40.560
<v Speaker 1>a second date outfit, and a third date outfit, so

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:43.440
<v Speaker 1>that she would not be repeating the same outfits for

0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:45.000
<v Speaker 1>like a first and a second date with a guy.

0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:48.759
<v Speaker 1>She said, by the time she met her now husband

0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:52.000
<v Speaker 1>my brother in law, her first date outfit was rags.

0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:54.719
<v Speaker 1>It was just like absolutely ragged. But she was like,

0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:56.719
<v Speaker 1>I went out on lunch dates, I went on on

0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:59.080
<v Speaker 1>dinner dates, sometimes two in a day. But she just

0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 1>made it her job for I think it was about

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.120
<v Speaker 1>six months and she met the guy. You know, they

0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:06.279
<v Speaker 1>both were like, wait, why are you single? Oh my gosh,

0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:08.759
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe you're still single, Like you're still out there.

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:11.640
<v Speaker 1>It's like that person who is your wonderful match is

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 1>definitely out there. Yeah wow, Yeah, that's that's very encouraging.

0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Whether it's on apps or whether it's going and finding

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<v Speaker 1>a meet up group, joining some group that likes to

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<v Speaker 1>go to museums, whatever it is that might yield an

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<v Speaker 1>older crowd, but you know, different groups where you can

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<v Speaker 1>meet people. I think make it a numbers game and

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<v Speaker 1>you will find the one. Yeah, thank you guys. That's

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<v Speaker 1>like she really helps look wonderful. Well, let us know

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<v Speaker 1>how it goes. Okay, Marta, thank you so much. Right

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<v Speaker 1>bye bye, Marta. Think here and thank you guys. Okay, well, Chelsea,

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<v Speaker 1>with that, I think we have to take another break

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll come back. We will be right back. And

0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:58.400
<v Speaker 1>we're back. And we're back. We're back. We're back from Marca. Everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>We're in Maorca. We're back in my worka. We thought

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:07.520
<v Speaker 1>about opening the windows so you could hear the waves.

0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:10.200
<v Speaker 1>I can hear the waves outside. It feels like we

0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:12.960
<v Speaker 1>can hear them, so maybe that our listeners can also

0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:16.280
<v Speaker 1>hear them. I know. Well, I have a quick update

0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:19.400
<v Speaker 1>from one of our recent callers, Chelsea. I'm pretty excited

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you this. I received an Instagram d M

0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:26.799
<v Speaker 1>from a listener that says, Hi, Katherine. A bit of

0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:30.880
<v Speaker 1>an atypical request. He says, just listen to today's episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Noah the Queer Historian sounds like a true dream of

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<v Speaker 1>a man. I'm a sex positive gay man with a

0:47:36.640 --> 0:47:39.560
<v Speaker 1>love of nerd culture and luckily, a kinky top for

0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:43.400
<v Speaker 1>his kinky bottom needs. Aside from all that, Noah's intellect

0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:45.800
<v Speaker 1>really stood out to me. Any chance you can pass

0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:48.759
<v Speaker 1>my Instagram onto him? I know Matchmaker isn't part of

0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:52.239
<v Speaker 1>your producing responsibilities, but I figured there are appropriate rules

0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:55.120
<v Speaker 1>around privacy for those who call in. Assuming the only

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:57.440
<v Speaker 1>way we could connect is if he checks out my socials,

0:47:57.480 --> 0:48:00.160
<v Speaker 1>please feel free to pass them along. Thanks. Kath a

0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:04.799
<v Speaker 1>huge fan of the podcast. So I responded, I let

0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:08.320
<v Speaker 1>him know that I would pass on his socials and

0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:10.560
<v Speaker 1>and Noah said, and this was from the Ross episode,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, for those of you who want to

0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:15.440
<v Speaker 1>go check this out, he said, Thanks Catherine, I appreciate

0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:17.960
<v Speaker 1>it he reached out to me. Also, turns out queer

0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:22.279
<v Speaker 1>historian plus Noah plus Minneapolis narrows the search. If any

0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:25.080
<v Speaker 1>more reach out fingers crossed, feel free to send them

0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:28.399
<v Speaker 1>to my instad ms at Liberal Arts Major. I'm happy

0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:31.520
<v Speaker 1>to receive my own suitors instead of you dealing with them.

0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:34.439
<v Speaker 1>So you know what, we might have a love connection, Chelsea. Well,

0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:37.000
<v Speaker 1>you'd better give out your Instagram handle to all of

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:39.279
<v Speaker 1>our listeners who are trying to hook up after they

0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:42.359
<v Speaker 1>hear an episode. You can find me at cath Elizabeth

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:46.160
<v Speaker 1>on Instagram and yeah, let me know if you if

0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:48.200
<v Speaker 1>you need to be hooked up with a lovely caller

0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:53.160
<v Speaker 1>who's intellect a caller anything. Really. I love that he

0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:56.160
<v Speaker 1>was asking, like, how do I meet a guy to

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:59.080
<v Speaker 1>even start a long distance relationship because I'm open to that.

0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:03.319
<v Speaker 1>Well apparently right into a podcast, right right, that'd be

0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:05.960
<v Speaker 1>great if they hooked up. I know. I just like,

0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I really need to be invited to this wedding to

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:10.840
<v Speaker 1>ask for an update. Also as please let us know

0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:12.640
<v Speaker 1>how it goes. I know they are in different cities,

0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:15.520
<v Speaker 1>so you know when and if that visit happens. Please

0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:18.239
<v Speaker 1>let us the kinky bottom was in Minneapolis? Where was

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<v Speaker 1>the other guy from other guys from I want to

0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:24.600
<v Speaker 1>say Colorado. I think he just moved, but you know what,

0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:27.880
<v Speaker 1>planes happen, Planes exist, he can, he can move to

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Minneapolis and game of one guy that he hasn't met

0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:34.160
<v Speaker 1>in Minneapolis. That was his big complaint. Hopefully Colorado needs

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<v Speaker 1>some queer art historians, so I keep saying art. I

0:49:37.360 --> 0:49:43.200
<v Speaker 1>don't think I was part of some queer historians que Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>our wrap up is that we are headed back to

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<v Speaker 1>Undos Estados in a few short days. We're gonna go

0:49:49.320 --> 0:49:51.440
<v Speaker 1>get you some chat lag. Yeah, we're gonna go. I

0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:53.960
<v Speaker 1>have yeah ordering up some jat LAG and I'll see

0:49:54.000 --> 0:49:58.360
<v Speaker 1>everybody at my shows in the fall. Amazing. Thanks Chelsea,

0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:01.399
<v Speaker 1>and thanks for inviting me to the beautiful place. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, my pleasure. All right, we'll see you guys

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<v Speaker 1>next time. Bye bye. So if you'd like advice from Chelsea,

0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:11.319
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