1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Today on the right Side, Alien Drexler stops by to 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: share her hot takes on the year's biggest pop culture stories, 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: plus how she grew Btches into a media powerhouse. 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: Something that has changed is like gaining a truer sense 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 2: of self, going from insecure Aleen to. 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 3: Like, I know who I am. 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 2: That is the best, the strongest, most empowering feeling. That's 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: how I learned to trust my voice. That's how I 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: learned to trust my gut to say, Okay, we're ready 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: to go, We're ready to sell. 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,319 Speaker 1: I'm simone voice. And this is the bright side from 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine. 13 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 4: Welcome back to the bright Side. 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: I cannot believe the end of the year is here. 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 4: It is upon us. 16 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: But before we ring in twenty twenty six, we are 17 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: rewinding the clock to twenty eleven, back to a time 18 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: of twelve dollars, word press domains, millennial pink, and a 19 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: women's media landscape that was well, let's just call it 20 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: aggressively vanilla. 21 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 4: Can you picture it? 22 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: Because I know I can, and so did Aleen Drexler. 23 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 1: Aileen Drexler saw all of that and decided to create 24 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: something totally unique with her two childhood best friends, a sharp, funny, 25 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: brutally authentic voice that we all know and love. Today, 26 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: Betch's is a media company that defined and still defines 27 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: a generation of women who are not only embracing, but 28 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: celebrating womanhood and all its imperfections and learning how to 29 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: laugh at the imperfections too. In our conversation, Aleen takes 30 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: us behind the scenes of how that anonymous blog went 31 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: from a few impressively viral posts to a women's media 32 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: company that now reaches one in two women in the US. 33 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: We also talk about what it means to evolve creatively 34 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: and personally through friendship, motherhood, and the changing definition of success. 35 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: And because this is the bride side, we couldn't let 36 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: Aleen go without doing a little pop culture rewind of 37 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: the year's most unforgettable moments, from Benefit Plot Twist to 38 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: Beyonce's Country era. Let's get into it, Aileen, Welcome to 39 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: the bright Side. 40 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for having me. 41 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: Take me back to twenty eleven when you and your 42 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: co founders started Betches. What gap did you see in 43 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: the media landscape and how did you envision filling. 44 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: It twenty eleven, My two co founders and I we 45 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: have been friends since we were ten years old. We 46 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 2: met like on the bus, and we all went to 47 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: college together. We went to Cornell and we lived together 48 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: our senior year and we have always been like creatives. 49 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: Before we started Betches, we were like writing a TV 50 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: show just for fun. 51 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 3: I would love to still make that. 52 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 4: We what was the show about? 53 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: It was called the Apartment. It was like a sad 54 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: tire of three girls living together. Which is kind of 55 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: funny because then Girls came out a few years later 56 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: and we were like, this was we should have made this. 57 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was thinking about. Yeah, we're talking 58 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: about the concept. 59 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: I loved Girls and I love that people now are 60 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: obsessed with it. Again, that makes me happy. But back 61 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: to twenty eleven, the three of us, we have always 62 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 2: processed the world through the lens of humor. That's just 63 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: how we communicate, how we get through anything. And the 64 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: other thing that I feel very strongly about is that 65 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: I feel very it's almost like an allergy to bs 66 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: like phoniness. 67 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: And during that time, women's. 68 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: Media was very strongly all of that, like diluted content, 69 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: very vanilla click baity, condescending, and it set this expectation 70 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: for women to be perfect, and there was truly nothing 71 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: that was funny. Everything that was funny for women was 72 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: on TV and movies with Chelsea hand Learntina fe Am 73 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: polar everything, and so we were like, why don't we 74 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: start something funny, but with the caveat that we must 75 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: be anonymous because we want jobs afterwards school, because it 76 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: was truly done as a creative outlet. 77 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: It wasn't meant to be a business. 78 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: Like I was pre met, I was set to go 79 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: to medical school, and we wrote our first post. 80 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: We did everything together. 81 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: We wrote every word, argued over comma placements, we did 82 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: it all together, and we created almost this fourth co founder, 83 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: this fourth voice that was obviously this exaggeration, this satire 84 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: of a caricature of all of our internal selves, and 85 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: it went so viral, like it went so viral. 86 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 4: Like people, what was that first post? Alien? 87 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: It was called talking Shit. It was basically like all 88 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 2: of us detailing the way in which women communicate, like 89 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: we have fun just getting together and gossiping. But it 90 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 2: wasn't a hatery commentary. It was truly like can we 91 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 2: all just like celebrate that this is all fun? Like 92 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 2: we are imperfect and this is how we talk, and 93 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: it was done through obviously a lens of humor, and 94 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: because we were anonymous, people tagging each other on Facebook 95 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: and writing who is writing this? 96 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 3: Is this you? And tagging their best friend? 97 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: Because we went so niche and the references were so 98 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 2: specific a niche that it for some reason it was 99 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: authentic and people saw themselves in it, and yeah, it 100 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: went so viral, and that was the beginning fifteen years ago. 101 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you brought up the voice of 102 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: Betches because that is the word that comes to mind 103 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: for me as someone who read Beaches all throughout my twenties, 104 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: and it feels like such a big part of my 105 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: coming of age story as a millennial woman. And I 106 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: think about girls, I think about Lena Dunham's character Han 107 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: horror Bath and girls who claimed to be the voice 108 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: of a generation, A generation, yeah, generation, but Beaches really 109 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: is the voice of a generation. So it sounds like 110 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: when you made that first post, like the voice was 111 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: very well defined. Is that true or did you have 112 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: to go through a process to really hone what that 113 00:05:59,160 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: distinct tone was. 114 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: Okay, So when we started, the thing that was most 115 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: important to us was being as authentic as possible, like 116 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: cutting through the. 117 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: Bs and being funny. 118 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 2: And in the beginning it was edgy, it was satirical, 119 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: but as we got bigger, satire doesn't really lend itself 120 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: to mass audiences. So we needed to still keep that going, 121 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: but keep it funny and keep it super relatable. 122 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: But that voice that is still. 123 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 2: There today, Like I am leading the business and I 124 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: work with all of our creative teams, whether it's our 125 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: organic content or our branded content, to make sure that 126 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: we check off two things. Will people feel seen in 127 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 2: this and will it make them laugh? Do we have 128 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: a unique point of view in making people feel seen 129 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 2: and making them laugh? And that has always been my 130 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: north star is like I did not care about scale. 131 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: I did not care about being the biggest for the 132 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: sake of being the biggest. I did not put any 133 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: money in marketing forever. It was all about how can 134 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: you make the best content that resonates with women because 135 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: they're just gonna come back on their own. They're gonna 136 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: share it with their friends and come back on our own. 137 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: And that's still the reaction because and what I said 138 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: earlier was like why was this happening? And I know 139 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 2: now what the reason is it's because we were saying 140 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: the things that people are thinking. They just don't say 141 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: out loud. Maybe they say it with their friends quietly, 142 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: but nobody was saying anything out loud, Like nobody was 143 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: talking about how we love to talk shit, and we 144 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: were just kind of saying it was like, yeah, this 145 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 2: is us. We're flawed, We're not perfect, we're flawed people. 146 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 3: We're all human. 147 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: Men get to glamorize their imperfections by calling each other 148 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: bros all day. 149 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 3: What are we? So we were just like, let's just do. 150 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: This and yeah, it's I mean, fifteen years is wild. 151 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: It's also wild to think that you are straddling to 152 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: you were on this pre med track, and I know 153 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: that you're the daughter of Russian immigrants who probably much 154 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: preferred that option at the time, but you also you 155 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: make this brave move to embrace comedy and humor. And 156 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: I actually think that funny girls have a harder time 157 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: in this world and society than a lot of people realize, 158 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: because I think that funny girls are sometimes punished for 159 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: being funny, whereas men are allowed to be funny and 160 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: it's like expected from them, Funny girls are told they're 161 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: not funny enough, funny girls are told you're not allowed 162 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: to be funny and want to go to med school. 163 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 4: I'm curious, did. 164 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: You ever feel pressure to put yourself in one of 165 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: those societal boxes. 166 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,239 Speaker 2: I just wanted to be successful. I'm a very ambitious 167 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 2: person because I'm a first generation American. My parents came 168 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: here with nothing, and I was born within the year 169 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: that they came here, and so I saw what they 170 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 2: had to go through to make my life good and 171 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 2: allow me to go to a school like Cornell. And 172 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 2: so for me, no, I didn't feel the pressure of 173 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: being in a box because I knew very early on 174 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 2: what I wanted to do. And I know that sounds crazy, 175 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: going from med school to starting a company called Batches, 176 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: but I also I was like, I need to do 177 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 2: something that feels good for me. I need to do 178 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 2: something that helps others, and I wanted to make money. 179 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: Financial security is really important to me seeing what my 180 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: parents had to go through, and I couldn't undo that 181 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: or take that for granted. And I wanted to create 182 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: further security for my family. I always knew I wanted kids, 183 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: so it just kind of had to cover those three things. 184 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: And I wanted to do something that would make my 185 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: parents proud. And so when I told my parents, I 186 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: was like, so I want to take a year off 187 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 2: and not go to med school. They're like, oh okay, 188 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: and I was like, I want to do this bechis thing. 189 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 2: Let me try it for a year. And they were anxious, 190 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: of course, but they were more anxious about like my future, 191 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: like how is she going to make money? But right 192 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 2: after school we got our first book deal with Simon 193 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: and Schuster, and they were like, okay, this is actual money. 194 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 2: But I, you know, couldn't afford to live alone. I 195 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 2: couldn't afford to do anything. So two years after when 196 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 2: that book was coming out, that's also when we came 197 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: out of anonymity. Was when I started to really take 198 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: this business so seriously and moved out. I was like, oh, 199 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 2: I can afford my own things. So my parents were 200 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 2: like okay, yeah. My grandma would call me and be 201 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: like when are you going to med school for years 202 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 2: after that, but. 203 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 3: I didn't let that really bother me. 204 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: I was like, I want to be successful. I know 205 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: we have something like this audience is ravenous for this, 206 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 2: and it was a creative outlet that I don't know 207 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: I was just so gung ho and making it something. 208 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: What was that moment like when you all unveiled yourselves 209 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: and came out of anonymity. 210 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 4: Did it feel the way that you thought it would. 211 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: No, I was scared beyond my mind. I was so 212 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: scared because you know, like you said, women are judged 213 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: beyond reason. 214 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 3: And I did a podcast with. 215 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: My co founder Sammy for four years called Diet Starts Tomorrow. 216 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 2: I was twenty two or twenty three when that book 217 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: came out, first book, and I was deep in that. 218 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: I was terrified of what people are going to say 219 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 2: about how I look, and then also like I was 220 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 2: scared what the audience is going to feel, like these 221 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: are the girls that I've been obsessed with, Like, Okay, 222 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to stop following. 223 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 3: But because we had each other, I think that's. 224 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: What kept us going and strong and just kind of 225 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 2: going getting through it. You know, I've learned to read 226 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: comments for fifteen years, so I'm a little bit less 227 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: affected by it now, but it took some time. 228 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 4: Do you still read comments? 229 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I want to know what people think 230 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: about our show, like the show that I do at Betches. 231 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 2: I love feedback, like I'm obsessed with getting better and improving, 232 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 2: and I've always been driving the business forward. Like we 233 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 2: started as a blog, there's no Instagram. I mean Instagram started, 234 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 2: but nobody was on it until like a couple years later. 235 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: We had to evolve with technology, social media and the time. 236 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: So I was always just like, we must evolve if 237 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: we want to stay relevant and stay ahead and start 238 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: conversations rather than catch up with everybody else. And I 239 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: wasn't afraid to just kind of keep everything going forward. 240 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: We've got to take a short break, but we'll be 241 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: right back with Alien Drexler. 242 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 4: And we're back with Alien Drexler. 243 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: When you talk about the relevance factor, I think that's 244 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: one of the most impressive aspects of what you've built. 245 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: It fetches the fact that you are still the voice 246 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: of a generation. It is still such a relevant force 247 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: in women's media. What has been the secret to that? 248 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: How do you do that? How do you grow up 249 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: with your readers too? 250 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild to kind of take a step back 251 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: and see that from what started as this measley little 252 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: blog on word Press, there was a just for the 253 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: sake of us sharing a funny story, like the three 254 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 2: of us we were sitting on our couch and we're like, 255 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 2: do we pay for a domain that takes the word 256 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: press out of the URL? 257 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 3: Like it's twelve dollars a month? 258 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: Like that's expensive, Like that is so twenty eleven coren. 259 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: We're like, oh my god, we have to pay to 260 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: make our domain private? Like oh god, but no, just 261 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 2: going from that to peeing where we are today and 262 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 2: reaching one in two women in the US is bananas 263 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 2: to me, and still having like still talking about being 264 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 2: culturally relevant, like culture is now such a big buzzword. 265 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: But the way we are still kind of ahead is 266 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: because I've always ingrained in US. It's in our values 267 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: that innovation is the most important thing. Like I said, 268 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: you must evolve. Things change so quickly. But the one 269 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: thing that I kept my co founders and I kept 270 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: so true was that voice and being obsessed with our audience, 271 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: like obsessed with what is going to make them feel 272 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: good and feel seen and laugh and the medium the 273 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: platform that can change. The thing that was so core 274 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: was building the brand. Because we never raised any money. 275 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: That's the other thing. I never raised a dollar. It 276 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: was a bootstrap business until the last two years ago. 277 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: We were acquired, but it was a bootstrap business and 278 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 2: so I couldn't afford to just throw a bunch of 279 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: money and scale a website. So what we did was 280 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: stay really close to understanding how our audience behaves, how 281 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: they feel, how they'll react, Where are they going on 282 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: social do they care about Instagram? And is that a 283 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: place for us to grow? Let's test, let's figure it out, 284 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: let's listen. There was so much test and learn, and 285 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: so in order for you to stay really culturally relevant 286 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 2: and for us, we created our own culture. Big cultures 287 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 2: started microcultures, and we created our own microculture, and we 288 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: were able to start conversations. And then we saw people 289 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: just kind of copying us. Like I started shot at 290 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 2: just myself. I was like, all right, guys, we need 291 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: to diversify, and brands like Victoria's Secret would copy us, 292 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: like just copy a phrase that we put up. 293 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 3: I was like, this is the best. I wasn't upset. 294 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 3: I was happy. I was like, we are at the forefront. 295 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: Well, what stands out to me is the culture that 296 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: you created really seems synonymous with your friendship. Because I 297 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: was just listening to the podcast that you co host 298 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: with your co founders, and you. 299 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 4: Guys still giggle and gossip as if you're those little 300 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 4: girls on the bus. 301 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: I want to learn more about your friendship with your 302 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: co founders, because you all built this together. Like you said, 303 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: no investors, no formal advisors, it was just the three 304 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: of you. 305 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 4: What made your collaboration a success. 306 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: I believe that we have a relationship like sisters, and 307 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: the three of us value much of the same things, 308 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: which is our friendship and our business, and we value 309 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: them equally, and we never let one get in the 310 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: way of the other equally, Like if we we are 311 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: fighting like co founders, we need to protect our friendship 312 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 2: and if we are fighting like friends, we need to 313 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: protect our business. So we did everything that we could 314 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: to maintain both equally, because at the end of the day, 315 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: it was just based on trust. Like the three of 316 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 2: us trust that we all have each other's backs, and 317 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 2: that's what's kept us together all these years. 318 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: I know that you didn't have formal support like a 319 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: lot of other founders as you were building this company, 320 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: but I'm sure that there were mentor like figures who 321 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: were speaking into your lives. What is the best advice 322 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: that you received while you were building betches. 323 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 4: In those early years. 324 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I never really had a true mentor. Like you said, 325 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 2: there was nobody. 326 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 3: To say, hey, like this is the way to do it. 327 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 2: But in terms of advice that I've gotten over the years, 328 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: something that has kept me in the business excessful is 329 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 2: our was our financial riggor focusing on profit as much 330 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 2: as we focused on revenue, Like those two things are 331 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 2: equally important. Because we needed our profit to invest back 332 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 2: into the business to grow. I was like, Okay, how 333 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 2: do I hire more people while you need to make money, 334 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 2: more money than you spend. Basically is just the most 335 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: bottom line, pay your taxes, do everything that you need 336 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 2: to do, and focus on the bottom line as much 337 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: as you can while steadily growing your revenue. 338 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 3: The person closest to us of a. 339 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 2: Mentor was our CPA, sort of like our third party CFO, 340 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: but he started with us since day one and he 341 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 2: was the one kind of being our financial partner because 342 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: the three of us were just three idiots, like what's 343 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 2: a tax? And we had to figure it all out 344 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 2: as we went and he was really there to support us. 345 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 2: And I cannot stress enough to you if you are 346 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 2: building a business, do not ignore your profit and I 347 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: always thought, but at that time, like the marker of 348 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 2: success was raising a bunch of money, and to be fair, 349 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 2: I was kind of scared. 350 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 3: I was like, what am I going to use this 351 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 3: money for? A? And B? Who am I going to 352 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 3: let into the business. I don't want to let anybody else. 353 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 2: They're going to change our entire creative vision. They're going 354 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 2: to make us chase things that are trendy and cool 355 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: instead of thinking three years ahead. 356 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 3: And I didn't want to let that happen. 357 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: And I would only let it happen at the point 358 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 2: that we needed it. And again another let miss us 359 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: like what do I need it for? I'm good And 360 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 2: I never raised any money, So I would say that 361 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 2: was the advice that I got from others. But if 362 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: I were to give advice from things that I have learned, 363 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: I would say. 364 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 3: Learn to trust your inner voice. 365 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 2: I think women struggle with that the most, and having 366 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: two co founders for me was both a strength and 367 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 2: a crutch because their voices started to become my in 368 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 2: our voices, and that's tough. I mean, it's easy to happen, 369 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: but it's tough to do so over time, I had 370 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 2: to really learn and hone the skill of like. 371 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 3: It's not just even your gut. 372 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 2: It's like, trust yourself, trust your instincts, trust your opinions. 373 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 2: Let others guide you, but don't let them determine your decision. 374 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 3: That's the number one thing. 375 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 2: Because you will never regret a decision that didn't come 376 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 2: from within, never, even if it was a mistake. 377 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 4: I know that you set out to be successful. 378 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: I also know that our vision of success can change 379 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: as we get older and as you are building betches. 380 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: It was coinciding with the girl Boss era, which I'm 381 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: still recovering from. I've spent a lot of time recently 382 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: going through my old cringey girl Boss posts. 383 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 3: Can you tell me what did it say? 384 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, Aleen, let's see. One 385 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: of my favorites is wake up, kick Ass repeat. 386 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 3: I hate the word kick ass. 387 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 4: I know it's so bad. 388 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: Another one is I would caption things like Diva is 389 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: a few hustler, Like, I know you're spitting out your 390 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: water right now, but it's sweet. 391 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 3: It's so innocent and sweet. 392 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 2: No, I'm spitting it out because it's like it's fine, 393 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: that's okay. Like I think it's like this that everybody 394 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 2: hating on girl bossing is silly. 395 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: It's fine. 396 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: It's whatever made you feel empowered and strong. 397 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 4: And that's true. 398 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 2: Like you captioning things like I'm a badass bitch, like 399 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 2: you are just telling yourself, like you need to talk 400 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: about trusting your inner voice, Like there are so many 401 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 2: people telling us that we're dumb, subliminally or not, and 402 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 2: sometimes we need to tell ourselves. Most of the time, 403 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 2: we need to just remind ourselves that we are not. 404 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 2: And that's what I was saying, is that, like so 405 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: much of women's media would break things down so that 406 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 2: we can understand it. 407 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 3: Why can't we understand the complicated stuff? We're smart, right, The. 408 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 4: Pink washing is so annoying. 409 00:21:58,760 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 3: The pink washing is annoying. 410 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: But I don't think there's anything wrong with like leaning 411 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 2: into our feminine and reminding ourselves. 412 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 3: That we've got this. 413 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 2: However way you do it, cringe or not, whatever, Like, 414 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's okay. 415 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 3: I think I. 416 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 4: Can hold space for both. 417 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: I can acknowledge that baby Simone in her twenties in 418 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: New York City needed that inner dialogue to kind of 419 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: rev her up. And I can also look back and 420 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: laugh at myself and be like, oh that was a 421 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: moment in time. That's what a time to be alive. 422 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: But now, I mean personally for me, so much has 423 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: changed since the Girl Boss era. I am a mom 424 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: of two boys. I've had to redefine what success looks 425 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: like so that I can be more president at home 426 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: and also pursue my ambitions outside of the home. I'm 427 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: curious because I know you had a baby right as 428 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: you sold batches for up to fifty four million dollars. 429 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: What does ambition look like to you? 430 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 4: Now? 431 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 2: I think success and ambition and all of that to 432 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: me hasn't really change. What it looks like change. But 433 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 2: I've always want, Like I said, I've always wanted a family. 434 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 2: I've always needed financial security, and I've always wanted to 435 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: do something that makes me feel good like I'm helping 436 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 2: other people, like I'm making. 437 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 3: An impact for others. 438 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: So now, yes, I also have two kids, a girl 439 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 2: and a boy. I was destined to have a girl. 440 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: To me, you know, not to sound like Walter or White, 441 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: but I do everything for my family, but I also 442 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: do everything for my audience, and I do things for myself. 443 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 2: Like while I do like to say I would be 444 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: so nice to just kind of sit at home and 445 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 2: be with my kids. When I do that on the weekend, 446 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 2: it's so nice, but I cannot wait for Monday. 447 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 3: I love going to work. 448 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: I love it, And so for me, ambition success is 449 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,239 Speaker 2: that financial security, but also working on something I'm so 450 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: proud of and making a real impact on the world, 451 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: and something that has changed is like gaining a truer 452 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 2: sense of self. I think through that time, like going 453 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 2: from insecure Aleen to like I know who I am. 454 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, that is the best, the strongest, the most 455 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 2: empowering feeling. That's how I learned to trust my voice. 456 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: That's how I learned to trust my gut to say, Okay, 457 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 2: we're ready to go, We're ready to sell. It's time. 458 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 2: In order for us to be the company that we 459 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 2: want to be, we got to find a strategic partner, 460 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: and this is the right partner for us. Like I 461 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 2: couldn't have done that five six years before. 462 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: I could not have feeling inspired by Aliens story, I 463 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: have a feeling you'll love our past conversations with Lauren 464 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: Simmons and Whitney Wolf. Check them out and let us 465 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: know what you think. More from Alien Drexler. After this 466 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: quick break, and we're back with Alien Drexler. Alien, it's 467 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: been really fun hearing how you built Betches from the 468 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: ground up. And now I want to pivot so that 469 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: we can rewind through twenty twenty five and celebrate the 470 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: moment that Betch's no doubt captured on their feeds, the 471 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: ones that had all of us talking and scrolling and sharing. 472 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: Let's start off with one of the year's biggest breakups. 473 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 4: J Lo and Ben Affleck. 474 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: So for a while there kind of looked like Benefer 475 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: could really get a sequel. But now it's twenty years apart, 476 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: they reunited, they got married, and now they're divorced again. 477 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 2: I don't know, Simone, because on my way here to 478 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 2: the studio, I saw a paparazzi video of Jennifer leaving 479 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: Ben's house, them kissing and like having this like hand 480 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: shake of a moment where I don't know, are they 481 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: star cross lovers? 482 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 3: Are they Romeo into it? 483 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: Like, I don't know. I love j Loo, I don't 484 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 2: know what it is. I think they're meant to be. 485 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 4: I have to go back to this paparazzi video. This 486 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 4: is recent, it just came out this is breaking news. 487 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's leaving his house. They embraced it looked like 488 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: there was a peck on the lips. 489 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: Whow So the other thing that comes to mind with 490 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: j Lo and this saga with ben Affleck is how 491 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: she's been reflecting on love. She said something like, what 492 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: I learned, it's not that I'm not lovable, it's that 493 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: they're not capable. 494 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 3: Mmm. 495 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 4: Does that feel accurate to you? 496 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 3: Does it feel accurate? 497 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 2: I don't know. 498 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: Like her truth is her truth, you know. 499 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 2: I think it's okay to have self reflection and also 500 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 2: take some accountability for things. 501 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 3: I think that's fine. 502 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 2: But whatever you got to do to make yourself feel 503 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 2: a better girl, it's you know. I think love happens 504 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 2: when we understand what we bring in a relationship and 505 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 2: also our flaws. Let's not avoid them, Like nobody is 506 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: perfect and perfect people suck because they're not perfect. So 507 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 2: let's I think if she had said, like, you know, 508 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 2: I tend to do this, I think that people would 509 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 2: have just like ran to her side. 510 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 4: I tend to agree. I think that's a really good point. 511 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: And accountability is sexy, especially as you get older. 512 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 4: Accountability is hella sexy. 513 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 3: Tell my husband that all the time. 514 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: Okay, moving on to the Grammys. At this year's Grammys, 515 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: Beyonce finally did it. She took home Album of the 516 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: Year for Cowboy Carter, and not just that, it was 517 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: such a groundbreaking moment because she became the first black 518 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: woman ever to win Best Country Album. And then just recently, 519 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: the Recording Academy announced they are actually splitting the Best 520 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: Country Album category into two, so we're going to have 521 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: Best Contemporary Country and Best Traditional Country. 522 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't know that. 523 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: Apparently they have been planning to do something like that 524 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: for a while, but there is speculation that they sped 525 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: up that process to split the categories after backlash to 526 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 1: Beyonce winning Best Country Album. 527 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 4: Do you think there's any truth to that? 528 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 2: When you first said that, and I learned it from you, 529 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: my gut is almost like they were planning it. Beyonce 530 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 2: didn't want want to win this like kind of pseudo award. 531 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 2: She wanted to win the award, which she deserved. So 532 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 2: I kind of feel like if Beyonce had won this 533 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 2: like award, be no pun intended be but I don't 534 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: think shit would have went down. 535 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 3: Like I don't think that would have happened. Do you 536 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 3: know what I mean? 537 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. 538 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: I think the Grammys is struggling with relevancy and so interesting. 539 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: I do think that it's super important that she won 540 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: this award. I think it would actually be more meaningful though, 541 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: if she won it from one of the country music 542 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: award shows. Those seem to be the spaces where she's 543 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: still shut out of. I applaud artists who take risks, 544 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: and I applaud artists who innovate, like we were talking 545 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: about earlier with Betcha's I that is the key to 546 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: staying power as an artist, and that's really what it's 547 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: all about. 548 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 4: At the end of the. 549 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 3: Day, I could not agree with you more. 550 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: Moving on to some more female empowerment, that might be 551 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: a controversial statement once you hear what I'm about to say. 552 00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 3: So. 553 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: Back in April, jeff us as Blue Origin Space Company 554 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: completed it's thirty first spaceflight with this all female crew 555 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: that we now know is Lauren Sanchez, former NASA scientist 556 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: Amanda nuen Aihabo, Katy Perry, Gail King, and film producer 557 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: Carrie Anne Flynn. 558 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 4: Were you empowered by this spaceflight, Aleen? 559 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 2: I was more empowered by the Internet coming together on 560 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 2: how funny it was Like that to me was the 561 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: empowering thing. And I do want to just say one 562 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 2: thing about the Internet coming together and feeling empowered. Batch'es 563 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 2: does this thing called betch of the Year. We started 564 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 2: it in twenty eleven where we celebrate like the betchiest 565 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,239 Speaker 2: batch of all time, but now we've evolved it to 566 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 2: be like the batchiest moments, meaning the moments that the 567 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 2: Internet comes together about these viral moments, whether they intend 568 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: to or not to be viral, but that bring us 569 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 2: all a little bit of joy, like sture. It's a 570 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 2: little bit at the expense of Katy Perry holding up 571 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 2: a flower. 572 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 4: And singing wonderful World and Gail. 573 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 2: King kissing the crowds, But how fun was it when 574 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 2: we all kind of came together and it just brought 575 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 2: connection to all of us. So every year we make 576 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 2: it better and better. This year, just wait, it's in 577 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 2: December where we like give out awards and people get 578 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 2: to vote like it's the people's choice with the funniest categories. 579 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 2: But the theme of betch of the Year is like 580 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 2: moments that all just kind of brought us a little 581 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: bit joy where we where the Internet was connected, and 582 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 2: internet meaning all of us were connected at a moment. 583 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 2: But No, to answer your original question, I was not 584 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 2: empowered at all. 585 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: This may be controversial, but I am really excited about 586 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: the democratization of space travel. I am a big space nerd. 587 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: I want us to be able to go to space. 588 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love space. 589 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: I that's sick that the science has evolved to allow 590 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 2: semi casual spaceflight. But yeah, I think what made it 591 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 2: less meaningful to me was like the branding of it all. Yes, 592 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: it made it feel itchy to me, whereas. 593 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 4: It made it feel false phony. 594 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 2: Like I said, it just it felt like bs. Where 595 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 2: As if it had been the women that were the 596 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 2: scientists and the ones that have been waiting to go 597 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 2: to space because this is what they study their whole lives, 598 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: I think that would have been so much more empowering. 599 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: I honestly don't think it's bad to have celebrities go 600 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: up in space. I do think that they should have 601 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: brought with them stem teachers from a no name town 602 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: in Idaho, you know, like I want to see the 603 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: women who are on the ground, who are really educating 604 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: the next generation of astronauts and engineers and like bring 605 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: them with you too. So I think it was just 606 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: a messaging misfire PR exactly. 607 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 3: P ardn't didn't work there, But yeah, I couldn't agree 608 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 3: with you more. 609 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: Well, speaking of bad PR, let's talk about the Coldplay 610 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: concert that was heard around the world. 611 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 3: So, oh god, this is another moment. 612 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,959 Speaker 1: Another one, another moment from twenty twenty five. So this 613 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: guy appears on the JumboTron. He's dodging the camera. He 614 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: was clearly not there with his wife. Come to find out, 615 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: it's Andy Byron, now former CEO of Astronomer. He ended 616 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: up resigning days after being seen with one of his employees, 617 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: Kristin Cabot, on the big screen. 618 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 3: Not just his employees ahead of HR. 619 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly head of HR, Kristin Cabot. 620 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 621 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: I think my favorite part of this moment, Aileen, was 622 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: the friend's friend or possibly colleague who was in the background, 623 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: who was just like there for the mess and was 624 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: giddy as this was happening. 625 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 2: But read the thing about this moment, it was just 626 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 2: the formula for success, for virality. If the girl just 627 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 2: turned around, I don't think it would have went as viral. 628 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 2: If they had made no reaction, nothing would have happened, 629 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 2: that wouldn't have even made social media right. But the 630 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 2: friend made it all, Like you said, it made it 631 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 2: all because she created the reaction that we all then had. 632 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 2: This is funny, Like she allowed us, gave us permission 633 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 2: to say, holy shit, this is hilarious. 634 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 4: The whole thing was wild. 635 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: I think it also stood out because we live in 636 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: a world where everything is highly manufactured and so polished, 637 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: and you know, there's so much intention behind every moment. 638 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: This was one of those moments that you were not 639 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: supposed to see, and it became so clear that we 640 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: were not supposed. 641 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 4: To see it. 642 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: I also think about how Astronomer kind of gave us 643 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: this masterclass in how to handle scandal, because you remember 644 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: when they hired Gwyneth Paltrow as the temporary spokesperson to 645 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: address the crisis. 646 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 2: No so good. The memes were epic. My favorite meme 647 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: or tweet that came out around this and it's still 648 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 2: in my head because I just it was just like 649 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 2: my humor to a t because she was also married 650 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 2: to a CEO, like her husband was a CEO, and 651 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 2: so one of them is like a tweet. And I'm 652 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 2: so sorry that I forgot who tweeted it, but it 653 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 2: was like, come on, leave some CEOs for the. 654 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 3: Rest of us. 655 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 2: It's just for us, for the rest of us, Like 656 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 2: it's so dumb and funny. 657 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 3: But yeah, that was the shit storm. 658 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 2: But now he is dating Lady Lady Stark, Lady Sansa, 659 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 2: what's her. 660 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: Name, Sophie Sophie Turner from Game of Thrones. Okay, there 661 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: are so many topics that we need to cover. I'm 662 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: just gonna mention them quickly. Nicolandria and the whole Love 663 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: Island cast. I think it's been so cool to see 664 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: how she's now become this budding fashion icon. We've got 665 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift buying back her Masters, which really changed the 666 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: game for other pop stars. Taylor then getting engaged to 667 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey. Let's end on this and just like that 668 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,240 Speaker 1: comes to an end. We got three seasons with Carrie, 669 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: with Miranda and with Charlotte, and with a few other 670 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: new characters. 671 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 4: I have so many mixed feelings about this. How did 672 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 4: you feel when it ended? 673 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 3: I didn't watch this last season. I'm so sorry. 674 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 2: I started and I was just like, I don't know, honestly, 675 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 2: I watch for cha. I didn't realize that I watched 676 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 2: for Chay. They were such good comic relief that I 677 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 2: even though it was non. 678 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 3: Intentional, that I missed it this season. 679 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 2: So I was just like, and the aiden thing I 680 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 2: just couldn't get on board with. Couldn't she have new 681 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 2: love interests? But I think the way that it ended about, 682 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 2: like you're not alone, you're on your own, is a 683 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 2: nice message for women who are divorced. To be honest, 684 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 2: I don't know it though, well, of course not, but 685 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 2: it is a nice message. 686 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: Sure, Aileen, it's a nice message if it's true. It's 687 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,439 Speaker 1: Carrie Bradshaws. She is a lover girl all the way. 688 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: I just don't buy it that she was okay being 689 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: alone in the end. 690 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 2: Because they didn't develop her character arc to make that conclusion, 691 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,959 Speaker 2: Like it would be one thing if they spent all 692 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 2: three seasons for her to get to that place, but 693 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 2: there were no signs of it. Right, Yeah, like she 694 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 2: almost ended up alone because it just. 695 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 3: Worked out that way rather what it right. 696 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 2: But I guess in reality it does just end up 697 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 2: that way. Like I think many women may choose to 698 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 2: not have a partner, but there's many women who it 699 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 2: just works out that way, and it takes time for 700 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 2: them to feel okay with it, And I think like 701 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 2: the ending was about her coming to terms with it 702 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 2: rather than choosing it. 703 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,720 Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? And I think that's real, 704 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 3: That is real. 705 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And I want to be abundantly clear. I 706 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: think being alone and being comfortable being alone is so cool. 707 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: I just personally don't buy it for her character, yeah, 708 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: because of what we know about her. 709 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 3: I actually I agree with you. 710 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: I got really emotional when the show ended, not because 711 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: I thought it was a perfect show, but because it 712 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 1: meant the end of Carrie. It meant the end of 713 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: this group that I think it's become a big part 714 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: of a lot of our lives. 715 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 4: And I just loved Sarah Jessica Parker's. 716 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: Post that she did, which was kind of like her 717 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: homage to carry. 718 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 719 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 2: I'm a big proponent of shows ending when they should though. 720 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 3: So yeah, no, I do it should have. 721 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 2: Ended, but maybe fine, like give us one movie, that's fine, 722 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 2: But after the first movie, I think we should have 723 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 2: called it quits. 724 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: I think that we should applaud showrunners and actors who 725 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: say it's time for it to end. We had a 726 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 1: good run and so I appreciate that they had the 727 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: wisdom to do that. 728 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 2: Yes, it's called restraint. Yes, we have to have restraint. 729 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 4: And just like that, this episode of the bright Side 730 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 4: comes to an end. Aileen, thank you so much for 731 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 4: coming on the show. 732 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. 733 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: Aileen Drexler is the founder and CEO of Betches Media. 734 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: For more founder advice, check out our substack please advise, 735 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: and to cast your vote for Betch of the Year, 736 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: go to beetches dot com. 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