WEBVTT - The Beverly Hills Supper Club Fire

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should know a production of I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, And this is

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<v Speaker 1>stuff you should know about Northern Kentucky, that's right, which

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<v Speaker 1>was in the nineteen thirties and forties the casino capital

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States. It was the Vegas of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States before Vegas and fifties too. Even it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to believe I've never knew any of this. So much

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<v Speaker 1>of this is very cinematic. I was just trying to

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<v Speaker 1>work out how to tell the story in a movie

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<v Speaker 1>without doing flash forwards and flashbacks. But that's probably how

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<v Speaker 1>you would have to do it. So I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in Northern Ohio, which is not that far from Northern Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 1>on the other end of Ohio from it, because the

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<v Speaker 1>area we're talking about just across the river from Cincinnati. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess I had heard of this before. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things where I can't remember if my

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<v Speaker 1>mind is telling me that I had a memory before

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<v Speaker 1>I actually had a memory, Like I didn't really have one,

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to think I did. It might be

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<v Speaker 1>one of those scenarios but regardless, it is like a huge,

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<v Speaker 1>huge piece of northern Kentucky southern Ohio history. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>the more you learn about it, if you were alive

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<v Speaker 1>and sentient, you know, in the um mid to late seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a national thing. Like it was a really

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<v Speaker 1>big deal that this happened, this Beverly Hill supper club

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<v Speaker 1>fire that we're going to talk about today. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was definitely one of the worst, um sort of entertainment

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<v Speaker 1>club fires in US history. I would have to look

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<v Speaker 1>at numbers. I mean, it's probably one of the deadliest

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<v Speaker 1>fires in US history because a hundred and sixty five

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<v Speaker 1>people died in horrific fashion obvious, See, dying by fire

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<v Speaker 1>is always horrific. But this was as bad as it gets, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't know anything about it. So a big

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to you for uh commissioning this from Dave Rouse,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend, you did No, I didn't. I didn't commission this.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't either. We're gonna have to this. May be

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<v Speaker 1>occasionally Dave will say like, hey, have you heard of

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<v Speaker 1>this cool thing? And we'll say, oh, yeah, just that

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<v Speaker 1>sounds great. So that may have been one of these

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<v Speaker 1>because I didn't know about this I don't think. What

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<v Speaker 1>day is it? Uh? It is Tuesday? I think, are

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<v Speaker 1>we Is this a job? Am I dreaming? You're like

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<v Speaker 1>that kid David on the way home from the dentist?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this real? All right? So let's go to Newport,

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky in the way back machine. We haven't pulled that

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<v Speaker 1>thing out in a while, so let's dust it out.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fired up through the wiring, so I'll have to

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<v Speaker 1>hot wire it. Luckily, I'm good at that. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>get it fired up and let's go back to the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenties Prohibition era Northern kentuckt Okay, here we are,

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck and uh. It turns out that despite prohibition being

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<v Speaker 1>in full force, UM liquors really really easy to get,

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<v Speaker 1>especially especially because there was a loophole in the Volstad

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<v Speaker 1>Act that said, and I know we talked about this

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<v Speaker 1>in the Prohibition episode UM that said that if you

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<v Speaker 1>UM are making alcohol for medicinal use, you can't. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to have a huge license. Each bottle has to

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<v Speaker 1>be bonded by the government. You can't be it's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be a hundred proof on the nose. There is

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of like criteria, but you could legally produce

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<v Speaker 1>um alcohol. And there was a guy named George Remus

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<v Speaker 1>who who was a lawyer. He also was a pharmacist

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<v Speaker 1>by trade, but he had been defending all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>bootleggers in Chicago and realized, man, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>money in bootlegging. So I saw that. He did a

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<v Speaker 1>little research, found out that of the legal booze producing

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<v Speaker 1>the United States was coming out of the Cincinnati area,

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<v Speaker 1>and he moved over there and said, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>get into organized crime. And boy did he ever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was living in Chicago at the time, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you're leaving the organized crime in Chicago to go to Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 1>then he must have some good insider information, and indeed

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<v Speaker 1>he did. He was known after he made that move

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<v Speaker 1>as a king of the bootleggers because he would um

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, it's a great scam. He would manufacture

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<v Speaker 1>this quote unquote medicinal whiskey and then he would have

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<v Speaker 1>a setup where his guys would steal the truck, hijack

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<v Speaker 1>the truck, and then sell it. And this money number

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<v Speaker 1>is staggering because it says at one point this guy

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<v Speaker 1>was making forty million dollars a year in the nineteen twenties. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about nine hundred million dollars today, So I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's that made him probably one of the wealthiest people

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States if he would have been able

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the you know, that operation up, But of

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<v Speaker 1>course he wasn't for sure. So if you were a

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<v Speaker 1>politician or um, a police chief or even probably a

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<v Speaker 1>local cop in the area, it made you pretty wealthy too.

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<v Speaker 1>Because one of the reasons why he set up in

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<v Speaker 1>northern Kentucky's, particularly in Newport, was because you could pay

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<v Speaker 1>people off a lot easier. It was a small town.

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<v Speaker 1>You could basically make it your fiefdom. And that's what

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<v Speaker 1>George Remis did. And you're right he Um. He got

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<v Speaker 1>caught pretty quickly, I think, um within just a few

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<v Speaker 1>years of setting up this organized crime syndicate. UM. And

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<v Speaker 1>I just a little aside on him. He was really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a sellmate in jail who turned out to

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<v Speaker 1>be an FBI agent, not an informant, and actual agent

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<v Speaker 1>who has planted there. The agent found out about all

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<v Speaker 1>the money that Remus had that his wife control that

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<v Speaker 1>was in her name. The guy left the jail, quit

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI, and started an affair with Remus's wife, Imogene,

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<v Speaker 1>and then talked her into basically like selling off all

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<v Speaker 1>his stuff and funnel money from her. So the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>guy robbed and blind. Remus was so mad that when

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<v Speaker 1>he got out of prison, he he tracked down his

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<v Speaker 1>wife and shot her in public in broad daylight. Did

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<v Speaker 1>he get pinched for that? He got pinched. He was

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<v Speaker 1>convicted but found not guilty and reason of insanity, was

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<v Speaker 1>taken to UM Sanitarium right sanatorium ortarium, I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>um a mental hospital, and then, because he was a lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>used the prosecutor's reasoning that he wasn't insane to get

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<v Speaker 1>himself released from the actual UM, the mental hospital, and

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<v Speaker 1>became a freeman very quickly. Boy, he knew all the angles,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah he did. And also one other thing about him

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<v Speaker 1>is that it's pretty much a certainty that Jay Gatsby

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<v Speaker 1>from the Great Gatsby was based on George D. Remus

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<v Speaker 1>because he had met um F Scott Fitzgerald at some point. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and probably through some pretty wild parties would be my guests.

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<v Speaker 1>But he didn't drink or smoke. Well, I don't, well

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<v Speaker 1>did Gatsby here? I could think gets to be drinks

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<v Speaker 1>something yeah, I um, alright, so it's he's in jail.

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<v Speaker 1>But by this time he had established such an operation

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<v Speaker 1>there in northern Kentucky that a little industry of sleeves

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<v Speaker 1>grew up around it. Uh, kind of a red light district,

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<v Speaker 1>is how Dave put it. And this is where we

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<v Speaker 1>get to the birth of what was then called the

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<v Speaker 1>Beverly Hills Country Club. Uh. There was a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Peachman who now factors in the story, who used to

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<v Speaker 1>be a driver for Remus and in seven he bought

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<v Speaker 1>this old roadhouse outside of Newport, Newport perched upon a

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<v Speaker 1>hill and and and basically renovated it into a casino,

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<v Speaker 1>and a really nice one. They had casinos there, but

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<v Speaker 1>they were they were called bust out joints. They were

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<v Speaker 1>kind of again, they were kind of sleazy places to go.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Beverly Hills Country Club was what was known

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<v Speaker 1>as a carpet joint, and it was a it was

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<v Speaker 1>a nice place. It was it was the blueprint for

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<v Speaker 1>what ended up being Las Vegas. Like a nice place

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<v Speaker 1>where you could go and you could gamble, and you

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<v Speaker 1>get a dinner and some drink and even see a show. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the thing about that is yes, it was. The

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<v Speaker 1>whole jam was kind of sleazy. In fact, Newport earned

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<v Speaker 1>the nickname Since City back in the thirties. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas is a glimmer in anybody's eye at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a tumble wheat. No like Newport is

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<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas and Atlantic City wrapped into one. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you were a tourist like you were, you were totally fine.

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<v Speaker 1>You were safe. The streets were clean, like nobody was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna mess with you because it was so fully mob run.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was mob run by a bunch of like

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<v Speaker 1>different disparate people who used to work with George Remus

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<v Speaker 1>and the Cleveland mob that led by Moe Deletes, who

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<v Speaker 1>went on to help found Las Vegas. He was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the original founders. He said, I want this action.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like just off the border of Cincinnati. Were

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<v Speaker 1>in Cleveland. We're going to get in on this. And

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<v Speaker 1>he moved in on Newport and started buying up casinos

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<v Speaker 1>around town. Delete Deletes, that's what I saw. Oh really,

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I want to say dallots, but it's not dallots.

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<v Speaker 1>It it's delightful as what it is. If you look

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<v Speaker 1>at uh deletes, Uh he looks exactly what you would

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<v Speaker 1>think of mobster. Moe Deletes would look like he was

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<v Speaker 1>a big time mobster. Like he was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that was grilled by the Kaffer Committee. He was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the ones that that helped found Las Vegas

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<v Speaker 1>years later, right, right, Yeah, that's what I was saying.

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<v Speaker 1>But this was years and years later. And again one

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons Las Vegas was found was because Mo

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<v Speaker 1>de Letz was one of the first, like big time

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<v Speaker 1>mob guys who showed up in Newport and took over

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was just the blueprint for Vegas later on. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>So Schmidt and again Chuck, I want to just really

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<v Speaker 1>drive home. We're talking about northern Kentucky. M hm okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh you know how I know that because we said

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<v Speaker 1>northern Kentucky like sixty times so far I know. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's just still boggles the mind. So Schmidt owns this

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<v Speaker 1>Beverly Hills country club, and uh doesn't want to give

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<v Speaker 1>it up despite mob pressure. He's like, no, this is

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<v Speaker 1>my place. I want to own it. So what looks

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<v Speaker 1>like happened as the mom said, fine, we'll burn it down. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this was not the big fire obviously that came, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>forty years later, this was in February. Only one fatality,

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<v Speaker 1>very sadly, h five year old girl, the niece of

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<v Speaker 1>the club's caretaker, died. And here's the thing. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>prove arson. But again, everyone was on the take, so

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind of just understood that it was burned

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<v Speaker 1>down because Schmidt wouldn't sell well. Plus also, right after

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<v Speaker 1>the fire, Mo Deletes came and said you want to

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<v Speaker 1>sell now? And uh that was it. Mo Deletes now

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<v Speaker 1>own the Beverly Hills Country Club and with that he

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<v Speaker 1>basically owned Newport in conjunction with a couple other big

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<v Speaker 1>time heavy hitter Cleveland bosses. Yeah, with whatever they're whatever

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<v Speaker 1>Cleveland accent is. So you want to take a I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that there is one actually know that you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned it. It's kind of midwestern. Uh, hey, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you say, Let's let's go down to Newport and run

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<v Speaker 1>the plate. That's a Cleveland accent, I think by way

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Bush and me is it's all right, We'll take

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<v Speaker 1>that break and we'll we'll come back right after this, Okay, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>So Mo Deletes and the Cleveland mob have taken over Newport.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is when it really becomes like the casino

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<v Speaker 1>capital of America. Yeah, it's bustling. People are and this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't like, oh I came in from Cleveland or Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>People are coming in from the West coast in New

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<v Speaker 1>York and Chicago. I think the population was about thirty thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh seventy thousand people, you know, more than double

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<v Speaker 1>that amount would come in on the weekends to hang

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<v Speaker 1>out and see young Jerry Lewis and Frank Sinatra and

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<v Speaker 1>Dean Martin. And it was a literal blue print again

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<v Speaker 1>for Vegas. They were doing it all. Duke Ellington was playing,

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<v Speaker 1>and Marilyn Monroe was there and it was just, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it was quite a scene. Again where in northern Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>and the others. The other thing about it too, is

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<v Speaker 1>there was no legalized gambling in Kentucky. This was all

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<v Speaker 1>just flouting the law. And the reason why because everybody

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<v Speaker 1>was on the take. They just looked the other way.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was the casino Capital of America was located

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<v Speaker 1>in a state that didn't have legalized gambling. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>so it wasn't like this is a a back room

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<v Speaker 1>poker game like they were literal casinos that they got

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<v Speaker 1>away with it, and eventually, you know, of course the

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<v Speaker 1>feds are going to take note, and the American Municipal

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<v Speaker 1>Association uh started complaining to the federal government and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a real organized crime problem in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>So that Cafalbre Committee that you were talking about earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a stab bush by the Senate. These big

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<v Speaker 1>televised hearings. They trotted out everyone, including deletes, including Frank

0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Costello and people like that. And here's the thing, it

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<v Speaker 1>kept going that had no effect on shutting Newport down.

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<v Speaker 1>This was in nineteen or fifty, and throughout the fifties

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<v Speaker 1>it was still booming. Yeah. One of the reasons why

0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:25.360
<v Speaker 1>they were able to get away with this was this

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<v Speaker 1>was before even the FBI would admit that there was

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<v Speaker 1>a national crime syndicate of organized crime. Like Up to

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<v Speaker 1>the like late fifties, the general consensus among law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 1>at least officially, was that it was all just local

0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.360
<v Speaker 1>hoods and thugs and you know, criminals. But there was

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<v Speaker 1>certainly no organized crime that didn't exist. Even after the

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<v Speaker 1>ki father Um Committee like revealed like, no, these people

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<v Speaker 1>wh are in touch with one another and they're all

0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.120
<v Speaker 1>mobbed up like this does exist, it still didn't quite take.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't until the Appalachian me of nineteen fifty seven

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<v Speaker 1>in Appalati to New York, where they literally caught a

0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.920
<v Speaker 1>hundred mob bosses from around the country in Cuba and

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<v Speaker 1>Italy meeting to figure out how to organize their crime better.

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<v Speaker 1>The people, including the FBI, were finally like, okay, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>there's organized crime. But that's one way that they were

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<v Speaker 1>able to get away with this is because they just

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<v Speaker 1>refused to accept that this was an organized crime syndicate. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which it very much was. Uh. And it played out

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<v Speaker 1>in Newport in ways that you would expect in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifties. They're homicide rate and you know this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty small place was four times the national average. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>There were a lot of people that just vanished. Basically.

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<v Speaker 1>Dave introduced me to a new term called the Newport nightgown,

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<v Speaker 1>which was when you were wrapped up in chains and

0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.520
<v Speaker 1>thrown off a bridge. Uh. There was a reporter in

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven that counted three hundred sex workers per mile

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<v Speaker 1>in Newport And eventually nineteen six one rolls around and

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<v Speaker 1>a football player, former player from Notre dame in the

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<v Speaker 1>Browns there in Cleveland named George Raderman ran for sheriff

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<v Speaker 1>in Newport as a reform candidate. Okay, you know that reference?

0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:19.960
<v Speaker 1>No is that from No No, No, no, No. Good

0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:24.400
<v Speaker 1>guess though it was Oh brother were art dal the

0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Coen Brothers great movie where Charles Dunning said, people want

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<v Speaker 1>that reform. Oh yeah. It was a good character. Yeah,

0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.320
<v Speaker 1>he was a southern politician. But this is what uh

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<v Speaker 1>Raderman ran for. Basically, I'm going to clean this place up. Uh.

0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.440
<v Speaker 1>And it was all going fine in his campaign until

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<v Speaker 1>he was found naked and passed out in a hotel

0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:49.120
<v Speaker 1>room with a sex worker and arrested. But it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of came back to sting the mob, didn't it. It

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<v Speaker 1>did because they did blood tests on George Raderman, probably

0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.520
<v Speaker 1>at his insistence. He said that he was drugged, and

0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:59.760
<v Speaker 1>it turned out that yes, indeed, he was drugged with

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<v Speaker 1>oral hydrate, which is the basis of a mickey a

0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Mickey finn. If you slip someone and mickey, you give

0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.280
<v Speaker 1>him chloral hydrate in a drink. And that's what they

0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.479
<v Speaker 1>did to George Raderman and framed him. The mob, in

0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.879
<v Speaker 1>conjunction with the local police framed this guy who was

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<v Speaker 1>running for sheriff. It is a trope, but this was

0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.399
<v Speaker 1>actually happening. Drug him and throw him dead naked with

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<v Speaker 1>his sex order and take his and call the cops. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So um with with black and white picture. It's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be black and white photos. Right. So Raderman actually

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<v Speaker 1>goes on to win the election. He like, he comes

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<v Speaker 1>out of this and clears his name, wins the election,

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<v Speaker 1>and then all of the national attention that was given

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<v Speaker 1>to this incredibly like just like almost mythical thing that

0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.720
<v Speaker 1>happened to him. Um. Robert Kennedy, who was new as

0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.960
<v Speaker 1>the U. S. Attorney General, said what is going on

0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.919
<v Speaker 1>down there? And started sending feds to Newport, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, the party was over. That's right, The

0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:56.280
<v Speaker 1>party was very much over by this town. This was

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<v Speaker 1>the sixties, so Vegas was it's earlier days and people

0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.040
<v Speaker 1>skipped down. Basically, he said, all right, let's go out

0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:10.119
<v Speaker 1>there in the sunshine. Uh, Newport is done. And in

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<v Speaker 1>the mid nineteen sixties, the Beverly Hills Country Club closed,

0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.120
<v Speaker 1>but not for good, because, as we will see, it

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<v Speaker 1>was revived, which will ultimately lead us to our tragedy. Yeah,

0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.359
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like a break spot, but it's not because

0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.919
<v Speaker 1>we just took one, that's right. This is also the

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<v Speaker 1>time when the famous song Goodbye Northern Kentucky I'm going

0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:35.400
<v Speaker 1>to Las Vegas was written that Inglebert Humperdink or Gordon Lightfoot.

0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:40.080
<v Speaker 1>It was a duet. Okay, yeah, yeah, it was a

0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:45.600
<v Speaker 1>sea shantie that's right, sung into Cleveland accent. Alright. So

0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:50.919
<v Speaker 1>then we will enter another character, Dick Schilling Richard Chilling Jr.

0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:54.280
<v Speaker 1>He was working at these casinos when he was just

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<v Speaker 1>a kid and eventually rose up to like management and

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<v Speaker 1>in the late sick season sixty nine, when Newport wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>doing great, he had the foresight to buy this abandoned property,

0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.879
<v Speaker 1>the Beverly Hills Supper and renamed it the Beverly Hills

0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Supper Club. This time, I was like, I'm going to

0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:19.399
<v Speaker 1>restore this um giant, giant facility. I mean, like, the

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<v Speaker 1>more we looked into this, that video you sent me

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of lays out the not the schematic, but

0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:31.280
<v Speaker 1>the floor plan. It's unbelievable how big this place was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they would have half a dozen wedding parties going

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<v Speaker 1>on at this and the same night in addition to

0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:42.720
<v Speaker 1>the thousand seat to Frank Sinatra. Yeah, in the other room,

0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.240
<v Speaker 1>like it was nuts and it was really lavishly done.

0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Like Dick Schilling like did a really good job bringing

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<v Speaker 1>this thing back and put it back on the map again.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is is that long standing tradition of a

0:19:56.200 --> 0:20:00.720
<v Speaker 1>legitimate business owner buying the place, fixing it up, and

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<v Speaker 1>uh being unwilling to sell it to the mob, who

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<v Speaker 1>in short order turned around and burn it down. Um,

0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:11.399
<v Speaker 1>that happened again, just like a year after he revamped it,

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<v Speaker 1>right before he was able to open, and amazingly, Dick

0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Schilling said, no, I'm doing this, stop at mob. You're

0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:21.359
<v Speaker 1>not gonna You're not gonna deter me and the mobs

0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:23.520
<v Speaker 1>and fine, fine, go ahead and open and he did

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<v Speaker 1>in and you know, in just a few years it

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<v Speaker 1>was it was like I think they called it the

0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:36.560
<v Speaker 1>show place of the nation, a supper club in northern Kentucky. Uh.

0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:38.680
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, how many times can this place burn down?

0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.040
<v Speaker 1>And I guess the answer is three at least. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and big thanks to we need to mention Dave

0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.480
<v Speaker 1>used to book for this research by a man named

0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:54.359
<v Speaker 1>Peter Bronson, who wrote easily I would say, the quintessential

0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:58.520
<v Speaker 1>book on the Beverly Hill Supper Club Fire. Uh and

0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Northern Kentucky Forbidden Fruit. Colon since Cities Underworld in the

0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.280
<v Speaker 1>supper Club Inferno. And was that who it was in

0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the video that you said to No, there's another guy

0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:11.040
<v Speaker 1>named Robert Webster who was in that video. I sent tune.

0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:14.159
<v Speaker 1>He wrote another definitive book on it, um called the

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<v Speaker 1>the Beverly Hills Supper Club Fire, The Store the Untold

0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:24.919
<v Speaker 1>story behind Kentucky's greatest tragedy. And it's really exhaustive too.

0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.520
<v Speaker 1>Apparently it's got five years of research behind it as well.

0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:33.399
<v Speaker 1>Colon everything that Bronson guy missed. Right, they're famously feuding

0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:35.440
<v Speaker 1>with each other to this day. They keep burning down

0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.879
<v Speaker 1>one another supper clubs. Oh no, no, no, alright, So

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<v Speaker 1>this thing, like you said, opening seventy burned, reopened in

0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:46.439
<v Speaker 1>seventy one. Chilling was not to be deterred. And uh,

0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:48.520
<v Speaker 1>it was a big deal. And Frank Sinatra came back

0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:50.920
<v Speaker 1>even he was like that place is open again. All right,

0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:56.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm back. You can still get a flight into Cincinnati, right. Uh.

0:21:56.240 --> 0:22:00.679
<v Speaker 1>Ella Fitzgerald played their Red Fox, The Righteous Brothers. It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was again a big deal, and such a big

0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:08.879
<v Speaker 1>deal that they would routinely um over sell and overpacked

0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:12.480
<v Speaker 1>that place out. So I saw, this is under dispute.

0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:18.760
<v Speaker 1>So I think Robert Webster in particular, he chalked reports

0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:22.960
<v Speaker 1>of that up to poor reporting, early reporting after the fire,

0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:28.480
<v Speaker 1>that they routinely flaunted the building capacity, the fire marshal's

0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:32.879
<v Speaker 1>capacity um number. I don't know that that's necessarily true,

0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:37.640
<v Speaker 1>but it posses though. But no, but they they were.

0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:41.280
<v Speaker 1>They said that there was some minor um violations, but

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<v Speaker 1>nothing that costs anyone in their lives. So that to

0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:46.880
<v Speaker 1>that tells me right there that no, they weren't doing

0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:51.240
<v Speaker 1>any major violations like over capacity crowding. Okay, And it

0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:54.200
<v Speaker 1>was a huge place too. It was so mind bogglingly

0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.600
<v Speaker 1>big that I think people were like, oh, there's people there,

0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:01.720
<v Speaker 1>obviously it's over capacity. Well, I mean I think they were.

0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:06.680
<v Speaker 1>They said there were people in that one room, yeah,

0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.760
<v Speaker 1>where the main stage was, which was that was a

0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.840
<v Speaker 1>sweet looking, uh place. I mean this the decor in

0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:17.080
<v Speaker 1>this place was awesome. Alright. So Memorial Day weekend is

0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:19.640
<v Speaker 1>obviously going to be a big deal at a place

0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:23.199
<v Speaker 1>like this, and it was certainly the case in nineteen

0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:29.240
<v Speaker 1>seventy seven. John Davidson was the headliner that night. John Davidson,

0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:33.560
<v Speaker 1>who would later make noise in the eighties for guys

0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.200
<v Speaker 1>like us as a co host of a show called

0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Real People. Isn't that right? That's incredible? Okay, Real People

0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:43.040
<v Speaker 1>was the other one. Yeah, it was the downmarket version

0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:45.960
<v Speaker 1>or maybe the upmarket version of Real People. I think

0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:47.919
<v Speaker 1>that's incredible. It was just that was the one with

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<v Speaker 1>Tarkenton and Kathy Rick I think, yeah. Remember she always

0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:58.879
<v Speaker 1>came out wearing a beard of bees like every episode.

0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:03.280
<v Speaker 1>I just remember the guy. I remember two guys. There

0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:06.680
<v Speaker 1>was one guy that could catch arrows. That was Kathy Rigby.

0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 1>That was that would bring on people to do this

0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:13.080
<v Speaker 1>kufas uh. And then the other guy. I think I

0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:15.800
<v Speaker 1>even remember his name for some reason. It's funny how

0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:17.600
<v Speaker 1>these things stick with you as an adult from when

0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:19.639
<v Speaker 1>you were a kid. I think he was the Yogi Kudu.

0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:21.800
<v Speaker 1>He was the guy that could fold himself and put

0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:24.480
<v Speaker 1>him in a tiny, little clear cube. That was Kathy

0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Rigby too. You were a very confused young man. I'm

0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:31.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to look that up. I better. I think

0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:34.480
<v Speaker 1>it was Yogiku do Um, so, Chuck, we kind of

0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:39.440
<v Speaker 1>set the stage. Um, Kathy Lee Crosby, Oh nice, Okay,

0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:41.640
<v Speaker 1>good Cathy Rigby. It was a gymnast, all right. I'm

0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:43.720
<v Speaker 1>glad I said that, but I was thinking of Kathy

0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Lee Crosby. I just had the name wrong with you,

0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:49.040
<v Speaker 1>but that's who I was thinking of. At any rate,

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:53.800
<v Speaker 1>we've set the stage for this seven night at the

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Beverly Hill Supper Club. Yep. John Davidson's kind of go

0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:59.800
<v Speaker 1>on apparently shaving backstage at this moment, and I say,

0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:02.720
<v Speaker 1>we take a little break, leave John Davidson to his shaving,

0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:06.680
<v Speaker 1>and come back and really talk about the fire. All right,

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:38.600
<v Speaker 1>you missed a spot, John, Yeah, imagine like shaving right

0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:40.840
<v Speaker 1>before we go on stage. I'd be like I would

0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:43.480
<v Speaker 1>nick myself and I'd come out bleeding, like your face

0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:46.479
<v Speaker 1>isn't supposed to bleed when you are entertaining. You know.

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad I don't shave. I hated shaving. I

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 1>don't like it either. Yeah, I didn't like shaving. So

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:57.240
<v Speaker 1>John Davidson apparently loved to shave, do it five times

0:25:57.240 --> 0:25:59.200
<v Speaker 1>a day. He liked to come out there with a clean,

0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:02.879
<v Speaker 1>clean clothes, shaved who were the two comedians that were

0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:08.480
<v Speaker 1>opening up for him, Kethy Rig It was in the video,

0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:11.199
<v Speaker 1>but I don't remember now. Peter and McDonald. They were

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:15.240
<v Speaker 1>a comedy duo plus a ventriloquist act on tops of

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:18.880
<v Speaker 1>everyone back then had a had a dummy at their disposal. Yeah,

0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:20.720
<v Speaker 1>and but also I think they were kind of like,

0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:24.919
<v Speaker 1>we're kind of funny, we need to somehow, we're not

0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 1>funny enough to just be a comedy duo, right, No

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:30.159
<v Speaker 1>shade towards the carrot top because he will beat me

0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:35.359
<v Speaker 1>up now, Oh dude. Yeah, So all right, this the

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:39.679
<v Speaker 1>club is packed out the um there was a wedding

0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 1>receptions going on, and what was called the Zebra Room,

0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, the cab cabernet room. I'm sorry, the

0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:48.639
<v Speaker 1>cabaret room, but the curtains could make it called the

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:51.399
<v Speaker 1>cabernet room for sure. And all the wine you couldn't

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:56.120
<v Speaker 1>me Um. I bet they were serving some usty supermanty

0:26:56.280 --> 0:27:03.600
<v Speaker 1>in that joint. Uh they they that was where Davidson was.

0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:06.000
<v Speaker 1>But the point is there was just there was activity

0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 1>all over this place such that if there was a fire,

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:14.080
<v Speaker 1>like we will soon see, the other part of the

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:16.679
<v Speaker 1>facility wouldn't even know what was going on. No, not

0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:20.080
<v Speaker 1>at all. Um, there I saw that there was essentially

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 1>three thousand people in that building at the time, in

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 1>the complex, I should say, But it's not like it

0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:28.960
<v Speaker 1>was a bunch of different buildings. It was one big

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:32.200
<v Speaker 1>building with a bunch of huge rooms. So, um, yes,

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 1>so there's three thousand people there on this this what

0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:37.960
<v Speaker 1>was this Saturday night? I think Friday night that was

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 1>So there were three thousand people there, and um, there

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:45.560
<v Speaker 1>was a wedding party, one of the like half dozen

0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 1>wedding parties that were celebrating that day. Um, we're in

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 1>the Zebra room. And they left, they were done, their

0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:55.119
<v Speaker 1>wedding party was over, and I think a couple of

0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:58.360
<v Speaker 1>servers came in to get some some trades I think

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:01.000
<v Speaker 1>out of the place and noticed that there was a

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 1>thing of smoke that was kind of bunching up in

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 1>the back of the room. And they're like, well, that's

0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:09.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of odd, and they went and got um Dick

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Schilling's son, Rick, who came in with a fire extinguisher.

0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:16.479
<v Speaker 1>But by the time he got there, apparently it was

0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 1>spreading pretty quickly, and it was made even worse by

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:23.119
<v Speaker 1>a bus boy whose name has lost to history or

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:25.720
<v Speaker 1>at the very least day didn't um use his name

0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:29.000
<v Speaker 1>who opened the doors to the Zebra room to kind

0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:31.200
<v Speaker 1>of help put the fire out, but instead that had

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 1>the exact opposite effect. Yeah, the whole backdraft effect. All

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 1>that oxygen entering the room basically made I mean, it

0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't explode, but it did not explode. Like everything in

0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:48.680
<v Speaker 1>that room all of a sudden was on fire and this, uh,

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 1>that was really really black smoke. Um. We'll talk a

0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:54.040
<v Speaker 1>little bit later about what all was in it, but

0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 1>it was incredibly noxious, as you would expect from a

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:03.040
<v Speaker 1>lavishly decorated place in late night, all manner of like

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 1>terrible plastics and and fabrics that were terrible when burned. Um.

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:17.200
<v Speaker 1>So the Zebra rooms on fire, and apparently the um

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:20.800
<v Speaker 1>when the flames kind of burst in the Zebra room,

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 1>it moved really quickly up the hall of mirrors, which

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 1>will become suspicious later on, and it's moving towards the

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 1>cabaret room. Well, there was a I saw sixteen year

0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 1>old This says eighteen year old. Regardless, there was a

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 1>teenage bus boy working there and he heard didn't see anything,

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:42.120
<v Speaker 1>He just heard over the grapevine that there was a

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 1>fire in the Zebra room and he had the wherewithal

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 1>to go on stage interrupting the great Teeter and McDonald

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 1>during their comedy act, asked them for the microphone and

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 1>very calmly said, folks, there's a fire in an adjoining room.

0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 1>It's nothing to panic about, but we all need to leave.

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 1>So there are exits here and here. Please go ahead

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 1>and make your way to the exits. And about a

0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 1>third to a half of the crowd laughed and clapped

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 1>because they thought that Walter Bailey was part of Teter

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:16.400
<v Speaker 1>McDonald's comedy and Teeter and McDonald said, man, we need

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 1>to steal that and added to our act later on

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:22.080
<v Speaker 1>because it got a huge response. Yeah, there's no way

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:26.360
<v Speaker 1>that they didn't uh get that ventriloquist thing out and

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 1>say who's this dummy when that guy got on stage.

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 1>There is no way. But Walter Bailey is a huge

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 1>here and there are a lot of heroes and we'll

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 1>see but he I mean, imagine being like sixteen to

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 1>eighteen years old and without anybody telling you to, like,

0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:43.760
<v Speaker 1>just getting on stage, interrupting an act and telling everyone, calmly,

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 1>calmly leave. Yeah, everyone across the board says that he

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 1>very calmly told everyone, we need to go ahead and

0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:54.719
<v Speaker 1>go out the doors. Hats off to Walter Bailey. So

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>people sort of started to leave. Other people would like,

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 1>we're kicking back and drinking their drinks and stuff and

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>wondering what was going on. And eventually the cabernet room

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 1>it became evident when flames and heat and smoke burst

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 1>through that entrance door, and exactly what you would think

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 1>happened happened, which is people started, uh panicking. They started

0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to get out any way they knew how, which

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 1>it turns out was pretty confusing in a big place

0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 1>like this smoke um. There were two back exits, but

0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:36.400
<v Speaker 1>two of the doors pushed out, two of them pulled in. Uh.

0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 1>They found survivors who were basically crushed against those inward

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 1>pulling doors, because you know, once you get to that

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 1>door and you have a a rush of people pushing

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:48.520
<v Speaker 1>and you can't even get the door open. So it's

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 1>it's that that sad, sad typical seeing you hear about

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 1>with a rush of people where a crush happens and

0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 1>people are stepping on one another trying to get out.

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:01.400
<v Speaker 1>So part of it also, I it was started when

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 1>a man in a dinner jacket who was kind of

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 1>quickly making his way to that one exit where one

0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:09.360
<v Speaker 1>of the doors was closed and the other was open.

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 1>He tripped and fell, and a woman very closely behind

0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 1>him fell on him, and then the people behind her

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 1>fell on her, and they just kind of stacked up,

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 1>sealing the fate of the people behind them, because the

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:25.240
<v Speaker 1>margin of error in getting out of the cabaret room

0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:28.680
<v Speaker 1>at that time was razor thin. I saw it. Put

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 1>like whether you lived or died depended on what side

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 1>of the table you were sitting on and having to

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 1>get out of that cabaret room. That's how noxious that

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.680
<v Speaker 1>smoke was and how quickly it was killing people who

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>were overcome. And so when that pile of people started

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 1>um piling up by that one exit, there was only

0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 1>one exit to be had, and that was on the

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 1>other side of this thousand person room. So a a

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 1>lot died at that blocked exit right there. Yeah, I

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 1>think that was um There were several dead ends that

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 1>people thought were exits, like hallways that led to closets

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 1>and coat closets and things like that. Uh and again,

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 1>and you know when this thing is when panic is

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 1>set in. There are people everywhere, it's full of smoke.

0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 1>You're just going in a direction basically at that point. Uh.

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>And if you see a hallway and you run down

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 1>it and you hit a dead end, then that that's

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 1>basically it for you in this kind of scenario. Um.

0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Very sadly, there were people who actually made it outside

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 1>only to like collapse and die on the front lawn

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 1>because they couldn't get like fresh air into their lungs

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 1>soon enough. A lot of people made it out. A

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 1>surprising number of people made it out. So bear in

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 1>mind there's about three thousand people there and something on

0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 1>the order of twenty people made it out safely. Yeah,

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 1>the vast majority of the people who did die died

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:56.320
<v Speaker 1>at that one exit. Yeah, there were no uh sprinklers

0:33:56.840 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>installed and this was not a requirement, so that wasn't negligent.

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>But it does bear mentioning. Um. And you know, thanks

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 1>to people like Walter Bailey and the five firefighters who

0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 1>rushed to the scene and this thing burned for seven hours.

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:15.840
<v Speaker 1>But uh, I mean, you nail it, man. A hundred

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:17.760
<v Speaker 1>and sixty five people is a lot of people to lose.

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:21.160
<v Speaker 1>But considering how massive this place was and how many

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 1>people were in there, um, And it's not like you're

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 1>ever prepared to flee a burning building, but I think

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:32.640
<v Speaker 1>out drinking and having a good time after nine, like

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:36.239
<v Speaker 1>half of more probably drunk by that point. Um. It

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:39.520
<v Speaker 1>was just a very tough situation and and I think

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:43.440
<v Speaker 1>they're lucky that more didn't perish. So a hundred victims

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:47.360
<v Speaker 1>were found at that one blocked exit that was blocked

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 1>by people, uh, some people who had made it through

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:53.040
<v Speaker 1>that exit. Like you said, it wasn't clear which way

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 1>to go. The exits weren't clearly marked. Thirty people were recovered,

0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:00.480
<v Speaker 1>um from the hallway off of that ex it, and

0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:03.400
<v Speaker 1>then there was a closet off of that hallway that

0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:05.360
<v Speaker 1>looked like an exit, but it was just a closet,

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 1>and another twenty people were found there. So a hundred

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 1>sixty people died. A hundred and fifty of them were

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:16.439
<v Speaker 1>all just uh scattered in this really localized area off

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.719
<v Speaker 1>of the cabaret room, right inside of the cabaret room

0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:23.800
<v Speaker 1>and right outside of the cabaret room. Yeah, um, the

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:26.880
<v Speaker 1>uh you sent me this video. It was a presentation

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's well worth watching if you're into this kind

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:33.200
<v Speaker 1>of like even more thorough explanation of the layout of

0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:34.879
<v Speaker 1>the place. But it was the what was his name

0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 1>that wrote that other book, Robert Webster. Yeah, Webster was

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 1>presenting and he, you know, at one point in the

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 1>video he talks about some of the pictures he was

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:45.360
<v Speaker 1>showing and he was like, you know, I really debated

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:48.920
<v Speaker 1>on what I felt like I could show, uh as

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:51.919
<v Speaker 1>far as how kind of gruesome it got, but he said,

0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I did choose to show some of this because he's said,

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:56.799
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, you know, people that have never heard

0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 1>of this need to see a little bit of what

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 1>really happened to have its full impact. Um. And it

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:05.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't get too gruesome, but he did show I mean

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 1>there were no like close ups, but he did show

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 1>shots of people like, you know, dead on the lawn. Um.

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I think just kind of drive home how awful it was. Yeah,

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.799
<v Speaker 1>for sure, I mean it's it's it looks kind of

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 1>like people like the people who were able to be

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:22.719
<v Speaker 1>gotten out, including like the ones like you said, just

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:26.520
<v Speaker 1>collapsed after they made it out themselves, Like they just

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:29.880
<v Speaker 1>looked like they were sleeping. Said this one kid, um

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:32.239
<v Speaker 1>who his name was Bill. He was thirteen at the time,

0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:36.360
<v Speaker 1>he was another kind of hero in helping people. Bill Klingenberg,

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Um he uh. He said that it looked like people

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:43.840
<v Speaker 1>were just sleeping. Um. And it wasn't until like you realized,

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:46.920
<v Speaker 1>like you, it sunk in that they were dead. You

0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 1>were looking at a hundred plus dead people just laying

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:55.080
<v Speaker 1>around that it really became just nightmarish. And they moved

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:59.880
<v Speaker 1>people to the nearby National Armory Jim and used it

0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:03.880
<v Speaker 1>as a makeshift morgue for families to come and identify people.

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:08.080
<v Speaker 1>And that's that's really worth pointing out. Like the this

0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 1>is a smallest town I think, like you said, thirty people,

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:14.960
<v Speaker 1>probably less because a lot of people fled to Las

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:18.240
<v Speaker 1>Vegas a decade before, so it was a fairly small town.

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:23.799
<v Speaker 1>And the people who were going there were residents. Um,

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 1>they worked there, They m the whole town was essentially

0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 1>devastated by this fire. One way or another. You were

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:35.600
<v Speaker 1>touched by this fire, whether you lost somebody directly, or

0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:37.919
<v Speaker 1>you knew someone who lost somebody, or you knew someone

0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 1>who was psychologically damaged now for having survived it. It

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:44.840
<v Speaker 1>was Um, it was. It's it's just hard to overstate

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 1>what a big deal it was. Not just nationally, but

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 1>especially in this area where it happened. Yeah. I mean

0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:57.000
<v Speaker 1>there were another hundred and sixteen that suffered severe injuries, um,

0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:00.640
<v Speaker 1>obviously from from the burns and the smoke inhalation. Uh.

0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:04.799
<v Speaker 1>So the question then is, did was this arson? Did

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:09.239
<v Speaker 1>the mob do this? Yet? Again? Uh? And depending on

0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:12.120
<v Speaker 1>who you ask, they will say it's either officially undetermined,

0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:17.200
<v Speaker 1>which it is officially um or um. If you're the

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:19.440
<v Speaker 1>author of that first book, Bronson, he will say, no,

0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 1>this was absolutely the mob. Um. There were six official investigations.

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:28.000
<v Speaker 1>The first one was obviously ordered by the governor of

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky at the time, Julian Carroll, and said it was

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:37.480
<v Speaker 1>likely electrical and nature and blamed on aluminum wiring. But

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:42.279
<v Speaker 1>that zebra room where it started was bulldozed the next day. Uh.

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Supposedly to get um more bodies out there and recover

0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 1>more more people, but um, who knows. Some people contend

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:51.960
<v Speaker 1>that it was raised as part of the cover up.

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:55.880
<v Speaker 1>They certainly couldn't do the investigation any further investigations like

0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:59.319
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to after that, So that bulldozing happened by

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:03.240
<v Speaker 1>director order of Julie and Carol, the the governor of Kentucky,

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:06.760
<v Speaker 1>which is a really weird thing to do. And um,

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:10.920
<v Speaker 1>some authors, I think Bronson also Robert Webster is basically

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:13.240
<v Speaker 1>like that guy was so mobbed up it's not even funny.

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 1>The upshot of this is like we've entered into this

0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:20.719
<v Speaker 1>period or this this realm where we're like, well, these

0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:26.360
<v Speaker 1>are conspiracy theories. The area was so mob influenced and

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:30.200
<v Speaker 1>it has such a history of things burning down because

0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:34.000
<v Speaker 1>of arson that it's really it's not far fetched at all.

0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 1>This isn't just you know, local residents trying to make

0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:42.719
<v Speaker 1>sense of something really psychologically damaging. Uh. This really like

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:46.520
<v Speaker 1>these are historians and local, like longtime journalists who are

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 1>writing books saying like, yeah, the governor literally covered up

0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 1>this fire that killed a hundred and sixty five people

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:56.319
<v Speaker 1>that was set under orders from the mob. Yeah there was.

0:39:57.160 --> 0:40:01.920
<v Speaker 1>There was an annual major nightclub five are every year

0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 1>for seven straight years in northern Kentucky. Uh this was

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:08.600
<v Speaker 1>the most deadly, so it got the most news. But

0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:11.759
<v Speaker 1>for seven straight years from seventy to seventy seven, one

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 1>of these nightclubs burned to the ground. Uh. And it's

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:19.919
<v Speaker 1>that's not coincidence, you know. Um, there was like we said,

0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:24.560
<v Speaker 1>a grand jury investigation into um Dick Chilling and whether

0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:28.520
<v Speaker 1>or not he was negligent in any way. Uh. They

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:32.240
<v Speaker 1>said that at least the findings of the grand jury

0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:35.799
<v Speaker 1>was that he clearly violated the fire code, but not

0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 1>to a criminal degree. Uh. And as Bronson put it,

0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:43.359
<v Speaker 1>basically because apparently the fire marshals, they're like, well, it's

0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:47.120
<v Speaker 1>really their fault, and then they're pointing fingers and Bronson

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:50.480
<v Speaker 1>the author eventually said everyone was guilty. So nobody was guilty,

0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:53.239
<v Speaker 1>which sometimes is how those things go down. Yeah, So,

0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:56.320
<v Speaker 1>like you said, the cause remains undetermined. It was ruled

0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:59.760
<v Speaker 1>in accident. A lot of people say, no, this was arson,

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:02.879
<v Speaker 1>and there were um, there were people who worked at

0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:07.560
<v Speaker 1>UM the supper club who came forward afterward, because, like

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:10.279
<v Speaker 1>you said, a half dozen investigations were launched. So these

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:12.759
<v Speaker 1>people were either spoken to or they came forward on

0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:15.360
<v Speaker 1>their own accord and said, hey, there was some really

0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:18.319
<v Speaker 1>weird stuff going on at the supper club in the

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 1>in the days and weeks leading up to this UM

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:23.840
<v Speaker 1>including there are a couple of guys who were found

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 1>in the basement laundry room right below the Zebra room,

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:31.359
<v Speaker 1>who caused an explosion a week before the fire, and

0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:33.319
<v Speaker 1>these two guys said that they were working on the

0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 1>air conditioning and told the hostess UM to leave, go ahead,

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:38.719
<v Speaker 1>get out of here, which is not something that air

0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:41.359
<v Speaker 1>conditioning repair people say to the people who are working

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 1>there very frequently. What else There was an FBI memo

0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 1>apparently a couple of weeks before the fire that said

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:53.640
<v Speaker 1>an anonymous tipster M heard I'm sorry, I had conversations

0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:56.840
<v Speaker 1>with a stranger on a plane who predicted that it

0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 1>would be burned down. UM. And that could have been

0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:02.719
<v Speaker 1>a real thing, or it could have been just like, hey,

0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 1>that places burned twice, it'll burn again. So I kind

0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:09.200
<v Speaker 1>of put that one in the maybe category personally. Uh.

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:14.040
<v Speaker 1>What else? UM? There was a an employee who said that, UM,

0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:17.920
<v Speaker 1>she overheard a heated discussion UM where two men wanted

0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:21.200
<v Speaker 1>to buy the supper club and she said that, UM,

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 1>no one followed up on the tip and that she's

0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:27.239
<v Speaker 1>received threatening phone calls to telling telling her to keep

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:30.239
<v Speaker 1>quiet about that. And then also this one was I

0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:33.560
<v Speaker 1>think multiple people said that they saw men that they

0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:36.640
<v Speaker 1>couldn't identify wiping down the walls of the Hall of

0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Mirrors with some weird smelling liquid. On the day of

0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:44.600
<v Speaker 1>the fire, I remember the Zebra Um room caught fire,

0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:47.040
<v Speaker 1>but then the fire spread very quickly up the hall

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:50.719
<v Speaker 1>of mirrors to the cabaret room. And apparently there was

0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:55.480
<v Speaker 1>another fire in nineteen where UM investigators found that the

0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Pink Pussycat Lounge in Newport had been saturated in lubri

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:03.319
<v Speaker 1>can oil to help use as an accelerant, and it's

0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:07.040
<v Speaker 1>entirely possible this was used as well in this There's

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:10.080
<v Speaker 1>other stuff too. If you watch that Robert Webster presentation

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:12.640
<v Speaker 1>I think on YouTube, it's the same title of his

0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:16.320
<v Speaker 1>book The Beverly Hills Supper Club colin The Untold Story

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Behind Kentucky's Worst Tragedy UM. He says that there were

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:24.960
<v Speaker 1>like timers found in the basement underneath the Zebra Room,

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:27.920
<v Speaker 1>that the wiring had been ripped out from plugs and

0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:32.480
<v Speaker 1>put into outlets, and that essentially the the upshot of

0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:35.400
<v Speaker 1>this of people who believe that this was arson, or

0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:37.840
<v Speaker 1>may even actually know for a fact it was arson,

0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:42.040
<v Speaker 1>that it was not meant to happen on that Saturday night,

0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:44.799
<v Speaker 1>that it was supposed to happen on Sunday morning, and

0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:47.240
<v Speaker 1>that the two goons who actually set up the timers

0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:50.840
<v Speaker 1>set some to PM rather than a M and caused

0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:54.440
<v Speaker 1>this massive tragedy. Oh and that it was supposed to

0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:56.640
<v Speaker 1>have been just burned to the ground with no one there. Yeah,

0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:59.920
<v Speaker 1>because typically if you burned down a business and night

0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:02.239
<v Speaker 1>club something like that in Northern GA, not trying to

0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:05.239
<v Speaker 1>murder people. No, you did it on a Sunday morning. Basically,

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:08.440
<v Speaker 1>I think there was one employee to that reported that

0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:13.280
<v Speaker 1>they saw John Davidson shaving backstage. He was he caused

0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:17.719
<v Speaker 1>a spark. Uh. So that is the story. There was

0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:20.840
<v Speaker 1>one little um a bit here at the end that

0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Dave included that it was also notable in legal terms

0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:31.239
<v Speaker 1>historically because it was the first um disaster case that

0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 1>ended up having a class action mass tort lawsuit applied.

0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:38.959
<v Speaker 1>There was a lawyer named Stan Chesley who would later

0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:42.080
<v Speaker 1>be known as a Master of Disaster, who got all

0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:45.280
<v Speaker 1>these claims together more than three victims, into a class

0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:50.520
<v Speaker 1>action suit against the aluminum wiring industry. Uh. And even

0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:53.400
<v Speaker 1>though that was never proven as the reason for the fire,

0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:55.920
<v Speaker 1>they did have to admit that they knew that the

0:44:55.960 --> 0:45:00.880
<v Speaker 1>wire could catch fire from overheating, and the jury awarded

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:05.480
<v Speaker 1>bucks and damages and I think the families received about

0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:08.520
<v Speaker 1>thirty million dollars. Yeah, and I think that actually was

0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:11.880
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the end for aluminum wiring. Um. The

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:15.600
<v Speaker 1>there's still like ongoing litigation over it. So UM, you know,

0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:19.160
<v Speaker 1>we talked largely about Newport, but um, the supper club

0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:21.719
<v Speaker 1>itself was up Highway twenty seven or I guess down

0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Highway twenty seven in Southgate, just outside of Newport, and

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:29.320
<v Speaker 1>um that's hollow ground to the people in that area.

0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:32.360
<v Speaker 1>But it was recently sold. The entire site was sold

0:45:32.600 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 1>to a developer who intended to put like condos in

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:37.600
<v Speaker 1>an assisted living facility and stuff on it. And so

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:40.520
<v Speaker 1>there's been a bunch of lawsuits saying like, no, don't

0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:42.840
<v Speaker 1>build at all, or you can build, but you just

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:44.800
<v Speaker 1>can't build on the side of the supper club, or

0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:46.520
<v Speaker 1>you can build inside the supper club, you just can't

0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:49.520
<v Speaker 1>build over the cabaret room where most of the deaths occurred.

0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:53.480
<v Speaker 1>And I can't quite tell if the if the project

0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:57.040
<v Speaker 1>is moving forward or if it's just stalled out right now,

0:45:57.160 --> 0:45:59.080
<v Speaker 1>or what they're going to do, but I believe that

0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:02.360
<v Speaker 1>they put m Morial up where the cabaret room is,

0:46:02.760 --> 0:46:05.799
<v Speaker 1>or if they haven't yet. They're going to very soon.

0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:10.640
<v Speaker 1>All this news was like, oh, well that's good. Yeah,

0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:14.200
<v Speaker 1>so there's still and apparently there's there's people convinced that

0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 1>there are still remains on the site. Um, and I

0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:20.800
<v Speaker 1>guess there. I saw a picture taken in the woods

0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:25.040
<v Speaker 1>and there's a burned like cocktail tray um in in

0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:26.880
<v Speaker 1>the woods. And this is like a picture taken in

0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:28.880
<v Speaker 1>like two thousand eight or nine or something like that.

0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:31.560
<v Speaker 1>So they're like, there's still stuff in the woods. So

0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:35.759
<v Speaker 1>it really is hollow ground for sure. Yeah, you got

0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:39.000
<v Speaker 1>anything else? No, this is a story I've never heard.

0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:41.239
<v Speaker 1>And uh, I guess Dave thought of it, so I'm

0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:42.960
<v Speaker 1>glad he did. Yeah, way to go, Dave. Thanks for

0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:46.720
<v Speaker 1>this one. Uh And since I said way to go Dave,

0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:49.480
<v Speaker 1>that means, of course, everybody, it's time for listener mail.

0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:56.120
<v Speaker 1>This is about avocado Toast. Hey, guys, love the show.

0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:58.560
<v Speaker 1>I've been working my way through the bad catalog as

0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing some d i y work on our house.

0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:03.840
<v Speaker 1>You have saved my sanity. But I wanted to address

0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Josh's comment about the relatively recent hipster fascination with toast.

0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:11.759
<v Speaker 1>Giving us avocado Toast is a correction. Now it's not

0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:14.640
<v Speaker 1>a correction. Okay, great, I love this one. Yeah, this

0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:18.120
<v Speaker 1>is just a little I guess what thing? Hey, guys,

0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:21.880
<v Speaker 1>So my dad has mashed an avocado onto toast and

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:23.640
<v Speaker 1>added salt and pepper since I was a kid in

0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:27.879
<v Speaker 1>the n uh It's funny. It seems like a very

0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:30.759
<v Speaker 1>seventies dad thing to do. And then with a kid

0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:32.359
<v Speaker 1>going like why do you do and and he's like, oh,

0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:34.399
<v Speaker 1>it's delicious, He's like, leave me alone and get back

0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:37.279
<v Speaker 1>to your macro main As a matter of fact, I'm

0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:39.080
<v Speaker 1>not a big avocado fan in general, but I still

0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:41.799
<v Speaker 1>love that version of avocado toast. And just in case

0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:44.640
<v Speaker 1>you're wondering, my dad was not a foodie. Far from it.

0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Kate Hamburger steak and microwave vegetables every night for dinner

0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:52.000
<v Speaker 1>for decades. My siblings and I used to joke that

0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:56.560
<v Speaker 1>his biography should be called beyond practicality. I grew up

0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:58.840
<v Speaker 1>in San Diego, which I think grows more avocados and

0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:01.640
<v Speaker 1>anywhere else in the US, so we could usually just

0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:05.000
<v Speaker 1>get them cheaply in season. I bet your dad was

0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:07.400
<v Speaker 1>stealing them from the neighbor's yard, would be my guess.

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I just want to let you know that some of

0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:14.400
<v Speaker 1>us have been Avocado Toast enthusiasts more than fifty years.

0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:17.799
<v Speaker 1>Thanks again for keeping me entertained and educated with the show.

0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:20.360
<v Speaker 1>It's fantastic. I really can't thank you enough. And that

0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:25.440
<v Speaker 1>is from Cookie Davis. Nice Cookie. First of all, awesome name. Secondly,

0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:28.759
<v Speaker 1>thanks for the story. I appreciate it. And then third day,

0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:30.879
<v Speaker 1>I have a question for Cookie or anybody you can answer.

0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:34.160
<v Speaker 1>It is a hamburger steak, just like a hamburger without

0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:38.040
<v Speaker 1>the button. Is that right? Yeah? I used to, uh,

0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:39.719
<v Speaker 1>when I was a line cook when I was believe

0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:45.520
<v Speaker 1>it or not, thirteen years old at JJ's barbecue. Yeah,

0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:48.800
<v Speaker 1>I would. I would cook the grittled bread, garlic bread

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:53.680
<v Speaker 1>and the hamburger steaks. And hamburger steak is just ground

0:48:53.719 --> 0:48:57.640
<v Speaker 1>beef shaped like a New York strip and that's all

0:48:57.680 --> 0:48:59.640
<v Speaker 1>it is. So it's not like round like a hamburger.

0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I guess comple you conserve it that way. But the

0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:04.839
<v Speaker 1>idea is to make it long and rectangular like it's

0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:07.480
<v Speaker 1>its steak. And uh, it's really kind of funny, but

0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:10.560
<v Speaker 1>you want to hear something funnier. I made one of

0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:14.400
<v Speaker 1>those two weeks ago for myself. I got this we

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:19.080
<v Speaker 1>get in our c s A Our c s A Miami.

0:49:20.160 --> 0:49:22.360
<v Speaker 1>That's a little when you go to the some parking

0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:25.120
<v Speaker 1>lot and a bunch of farmers partner hippies give you

0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 1>a bag of stuff. Yeah, or go up. What's the

0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:30.000
<v Speaker 1>c s A. I think it's called a c s

0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:37.120
<v Speaker 1>A co Op Surprise r vark. But they got this

0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:43.799
<v Speaker 1>really delicious local, locally raised, humanely raised ground beef and

0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:49.120
<v Speaker 1>it's delicious, like the most noticeable difference you could imagine

0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:50.879
<v Speaker 1>from like something you would get in a grocery store.

0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:53.840
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, you know what, I don't have

0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:56.759
<v Speaker 1>anything else here in the house, so I'm gonna make

0:49:56.760 --> 0:50:00.440
<v Speaker 1>some veggies and make a hamburger steak. So I've been

0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:04.279
<v Speaker 1>making some really great recipes from your friend, uh Kenji

0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Lopez all delete he is. That guy is just amazing.

0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:12.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm a big fan of now. Yeah, he's the best,

0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:15.120
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not sure how much we can mention him

0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:17.680
<v Speaker 1>and be ignored. But here's yet another. Yeah, I was

0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:19.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna say, if he's a friend of the show and

0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:22.560
<v Speaker 1>doesn't know it, yeah, exactly, but yeah, it's um. I

0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:25.680
<v Speaker 1>think I made the carne asada. I can't remember the

0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:27.359
<v Speaker 1>name of the recipe, but it was like the best

0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:30.800
<v Speaker 1>carne asada or something like that. It was so easy

0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:33.719
<v Speaker 1>but so good. And it all comes down to like

0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:38.240
<v Speaker 1>doing your own stuff, like rather than using ground cuman,

0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:44.160
<v Speaker 1>like buying human whole human like seeds, toasting them and

0:50:44.200 --> 0:50:46.759
<v Speaker 1>then putting them in like a grinder. Sounds like a lot,

0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:49.880
<v Speaker 1>it's actually really easy and it produces like just amazing stuff.

0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Or like using like whole dried chilies, um and then

0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:57.400
<v Speaker 1>reconstituting them, like just just little things like that that

0:50:57.520 --> 0:50:59.440
<v Speaker 1>maybe you're like an extra step that makes it just

0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:02.640
<v Speaker 1>a nor of this world of difference. It's almost as

0:51:02.640 --> 0:51:07.840
<v Speaker 1>if eating real whole foods is the better way. Almost chuck. Almost.

0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:12.960
<v Speaker 1>He's a food scientist. He knows his stuff beyond chef um. Uh,

0:51:13.600 --> 0:51:16.239
<v Speaker 1>just bake a batch of his chocolate chip cookies and

0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:19.000
<v Speaker 1>see me in the morning. Oh. By the way, I know,

0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:22.759
<v Speaker 1>I told everybody about um Sally's baking addictions chocolate brown

0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:26.160
<v Speaker 1>butter chocolate chip cookies, and I I went to go

0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:30.120
<v Speaker 1>look at the recipe um to see about browning butter again.

0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:32.759
<v Speaker 1>And in the comments there's like ten people are like

0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Josh from stuff you Should Know set me here. It

0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:38.840
<v Speaker 1>was like weird, like bizarre thing because I wasn't expecting

0:51:38.840 --> 0:51:41.000
<v Speaker 1>it at all. But the upshot of it is I

0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:45.839
<v Speaker 1>tried Sally's Baking Addiction brown butter sugar cookies. They may

0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:49.080
<v Speaker 1>be even better than the brown butter chocolate chip cookies.

0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:51.440
<v Speaker 1>So if you tried the chocolate chip cookies, please, I

0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:55.080
<v Speaker 1>beseech you go make the sugar cookies too. Yeah, and

0:51:55.160 --> 0:51:58.120
<v Speaker 1>trunk and chocolate chip cookies. Okay, we'll try them all.

0:51:58.120 --> 0:52:01.319
<v Speaker 1>I've got no problem with that. They're all good. You

0:52:01.320 --> 0:52:04.640
<v Speaker 1>got anything else? Nothing, I'm just starving now. Who was

0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:09.040
<v Speaker 1>that cookie that wrote in? That was Cookie? Yeah? Cool? Great? Well,

0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:10.680
<v Speaker 1>if you want to be like Cookie and get us

0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:13.680
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0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:21.200
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