WEBVTT - Bonus (RE-RELEASE) 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:03.440 Hi, I'm Kate Berlance, I'm Jacqueline Novak. 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:07.080 And this is poog, an ongoing conversation about wellness between 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:08.440 two obsessive reads. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:11.760 Two untamable intellects. This is our hobby, This is our hell. 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:15.120 This is our naked desire for free products. This is poog. 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:21.840 Today's topics, loosely speaking, vicular accessory death by bear, double blind. 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:26.840 Hello, Hello, Hello, I want to talk about my foot today. 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:29.000 Are you happy about it or devastated to. 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:29.840 Hear about your foot? 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:29.960 No? 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:35.520 Tell me, because you were texting me some skeletal information, no, unintended. 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:37.800 Skeletal is a favorite word of mine to use to 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.920 describe something bear a small amount of information. 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:43.280 Oh I see, okay, that's interesting. 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:44.960 On phone calls, I'll be like, I just have this 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:46.160 like skeletal idea. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.840 But uh see that's interesting because this call it skeletal 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.040 does suggest that the bones the structure are there, So 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:53.760 it's actually kind of a like it's kind of a 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:54.400 big promise. 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:58.320 Well, you're actually completely right skeletal. 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.880 Like I have the structure of the film, all three acts, 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:01.800 of course, a skeleton. 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:06.600 That's so true. I've never had a skeletal idea. I 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:07.520 only have fragments. 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.039 All right, this is the set, this is the perfume 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:12.920 that would be in there were that character to walk by, 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:13.840 So we. 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.600 Can come up with language to sort of defend that 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:19.399 and couch that in a way that you know, it 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:20.640 sets you up for excellence. 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:22.880 But just so they're not expecting a skeleton, you know, 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:26.320 which is bones from head to toe, right every it's 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:30.080 articulated bones, you know what I like to say. 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.959 I also got I was mildly distracted because I was 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:37.160 thinking about fossils and anyway, I'm back. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:38.920 Kind of bringing them into your life more. 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:40.160 No, I don't need them. 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.200 Well, I do think about I do think about us 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:48.600 seeing what is a cave of forgotten dreams Werner and Okay, 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.720 one of the greatest experiences being in a theater review. 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:53.840 We were I think we were in the Sunshine Cinema. 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:56.280 Now of course it's been leveled, and now it'll be 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.800 a foot locker, and then that will be levels. 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:03.840 And I actually was picturing us sort of clamping towards 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.640 the doors of theater. And then it was one of 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:12.320 my favorite memories because so Kate's father collects early Man 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:15.399 art in the form of stones, okay. 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.600 Or paleolithic stone tools. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:19.720 Yes, but he has some that like look like faces 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:21.040 and stuff, right, or. 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:22.760 You don't want to talk about it. It's a huge No, 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:24.280 I actually do, and you don't want to do. 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:25.880 I want to pause because I want to shout out 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:27.359 my dad's book, and I don't know what it's called. 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:28.040 Can you believe that? 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.480 No? And I didn't even know he had a book. 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:32.560 While you look for that, I'm going to shout out 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.960 my dad's podcast called The Cunning of Geist, which I 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:37.040 helped him start this year. 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:38.160 It's about hegel. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:40.400 Oh my god, are you serious? 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:42.399 It's pretty cozy to listen to his voice. 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.040 He's more prepared and what he talks about, so you 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.560 don't get to hear him saying okay, you know like 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:52.640 I do, which would be really cozy for listeners. I think, okay, okay, 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.000 give it to me. But I am going to bring 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:55.480 us back to sunshine. 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:55.919 Before I do it. 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:58.240 Certainly, I would like to briefly plug my father's book. 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:02.240 First Sculpture, HANDECKX to figure Stone. No, when did this 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:06.400 come out three years ago? I guess and you said nothing. 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:07.880 I know. 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:09.120 I'm so excited. 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.679 Hand axes, Yeah, you know these are objects that we 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.040 used to be seen as being purely functional as tools. 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.000 You'll see of many major collections. But the idea is 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.359 that no, these were in fact symbolic objects, right, these 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:21.239 were art objects. 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.360 And also, and I guess I kind of stole this idea, 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.520 maybe unfairly in my shirt whatever. 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:27.560 We won't talk about that, but. 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.640 Taking rocks back the original curation, a rock that is 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.080 found in nature as something that looks a little bit 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:35.200 like a woman's body, and then. 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.920 They carry that back exactly curation as art. 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:41.280 Right, Yes, well that was and I should cite your 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:42.560 father if i'm gonna, you. 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.200 Know, please do cite Tony. 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:44.600 Yeah. 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.120 No, it's pretty wild. The idea that you can actually 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.160 carbon date these objects. You can see that they were, 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:52.320 as you said, curated. They're brought from disparate locations to 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:53.400 one location. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.640 Which and this is the key. That fact is what 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:58.040 makes it that it. 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.360 Is, you know, art or whatever, that it's not purely 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.680 functioned obviously right now and here. And the reason I'm 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:04.520 not saying it in the perfect way and I'm about 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:06.240 to is because you said it in. 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.840 The perfect way in the movie theater. Okay, And I'm 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:10.080 gonna die. I'm gonna die. 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.880 Okay, okay, it's like my favorite thing, and it honestly 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:16.039 launched a huge sense of like where our collaboration should 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:17.159 ultimately lie in this life. 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:18.400 Okay, okay. 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:19.560 So so we go to the theater. 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.560 We're watching Cave Forgotten Dreams, the whole thing, and you know, 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.320 they're basically acting like what that that's like the first 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.440 art I think and can't forgot the dreams, the paintings 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:29.360 I'm talking about. 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.680 Yeah, they're talking about I think these cave paintings. 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:36.359 And they say that, you know, the first ones to 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.440 create art of early man were something such I forget 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.240 what it was, and you said, you leaned over to 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.760 me side glance. 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:49.040 Okay, and just go and just go. Actually, Homo habilis 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:50.280 had aesthetic sense. 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.599 Okay, because they were trying to act like Homo habilis, okay, whatever, 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:55.040 they were. 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:59.120 Contributing asthetic sensitivity to the next generation Homo erectus. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.280 Yeah yeah, yeah, those could be wrong, but the point 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.479 is you leaned over and said Homo habilis, which like, 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.400 I'm not sure I even I won't lie. 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.839 I probably didn't know the word, okay, years. 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:15.479 Like homoil sense, okay, just leaning over to correct Herzog 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.839 was immensely gorgeous and satisfying to me, and. 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.960 Oh God, to be in the theater with you, God. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.560 I miss it. Got to be Uh yeah, cave of 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:27.240 forgotten dreams that could use the rewatch? 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.320 Yeah, but is that the one I forget? 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.480 Is that the one that includes the And this is 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:34.120 the only way you can say it, Neon Lizards. 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:35.159 I don't remember anything else. 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.560 I knew you were going to say that a different one. 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.320 It's no, that's the one. It's a really striking image. 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.520 I believe it's the very end of the film, and 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.360 I can't even remember what really it meant exactly. 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:47.360 Neon Lizard is all I have. 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:49.320 I will say briefly I did, and we can move 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.760 on from from Herzog. But I uh or not? 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.400 I use I recently did a rewatch of Grizzly Man 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.400 and it is officially in my top five movies favorite 0:05:58.400 --> 0:05:59.080 films of all time? 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.840 Yeah, god, get no, when's last time you watched it? 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:02.440 Years? 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:04.040 Okay, But there was a period where I watched it 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:06.880 a lot. No like for the listeners, of course. 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:12.240 What I rewatched it and I was weeping, Well, actually, 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:13.520 do you consider weeping? 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:14.240 Is it weeping? 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:17.320 If the tears are silently cascade, well get ready. 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.240 No, no, no, it's no, no, of course, I mean, 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:21.320 of course that's the definition. 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:23.080 Of course that's what we do, because I think it'll 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.280 be because like like there needs to be like an auditory. 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:27.080 Element which is sobbing to me. 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.839 No, no, no, it's very I'm weep more than I saw. 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.839 Because I'm sorry to bring up my book, okay, but 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.600 how to weep? Always bring this was an issue, This 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:38.479 was a question. I mean, I have a book with 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.880 the word weep in the title, and that book, I mean, 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.080 or that title, you know, I remember Jenni Friedman, comedian, 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.360 said to me, why isn't it how to cry in public? 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:49.960 She just sort of said that, And of course, you 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:51.880 know that is you know, there's an insult there, and 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:53.760 I accept it from her. And actually I believe she 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:57.240 asked me that question like twice, with like six years 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.520 in between, like the same question. 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:01.440 I don't even believe. 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:02.800 I don't think she's been thinking of the whole time, 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.279 because that doesn't feel as much like her. I think 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.719 she spontaneously went why weep? You know, cry is stronger 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.360 and more direct and whatever, But to me, weep is 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.920 comical because it's a feat. 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:15.720 That's not the right word so much more poetic. 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:17.440 Yeah, and so it's sort of outrageous. 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.760 So anyway, but yeah, to me, weeping is kind of 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.920 that is kind of a silent I mean much like 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.560 a weeping wound, you know that metaphor, A weeping wound 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:26.920 isn't screaming weep. 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:30.400 I would also argue as a more feminized term. Yes, 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:36.680 crying kind of feels like also attributed to babies. Weeping 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:40.480 suggests emotion, yes, right, like babies cry. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:42.920 A little bit, right, a little bit of drama. It is. 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.040 We're leaning and you know, sort of leaning into that, 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:47.239 all right, Jesus pull me back. 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:49.880 So so so okay. 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.440 So Grizzly for the People that I don't know is 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.720 one of Werner Herzog documentaries, and it's about Grizzly man. 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.360 Wait, I feel like I have the wrong name. Timothy Treadwell. 0:07:59.400 --> 0:07:59.720 What's that? 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:00.640 You got it? 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.480 He's a man that lived with the grizzlies, right, yes, 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.240 or at least he go out there every summer and 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.920 sort of commune with the grizzlies. Everyone thought he was 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:19.200 crazy and not to be clear, in the end, yeah. 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:20.200 Hey, don't go to the end. 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:22.080 You don't think that's part of the truth. 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.120 Everyone knows we've all heard the tape. 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:26.600 But it's you have not heard the tape. That's a joke, right, 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:27.840 No one's heard the tape. 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.960 So this is what I want to there's no spoiler here. 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.200 He's dead, okay, and he died Okay, he died by bears. 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:36.000 I think that's the selling point. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.320 You can know that, Like, that's the thing. It doesn't 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.360 matter what happens, no matters how it happens. Right, you 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:42.480 can listen to this not knowing that and still be 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:43.959 completely thrilled by the film. 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.720 It's not it's not about the surprise that that he dies, 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:52.240 it's it's the inevitability exactly. And then, in an utterly 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:56.040 stunning kind of filmmaker sort of the filmmakers and the 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.320 film kind of thing, Werner, there's a tape. There's audio 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:01.960 tape because Timothy tread Will filmed himself full the time. 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.320 Why am I educating? What is this tone? 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:04.720 Okay? 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:08.240 Like and going so Timothy tru you know what this 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:08.640 feels like? 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.240 I feel like I'm a talking head in like any 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.679 of those like not even just best week ever, but 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:15.679 like I knew you were gonna, okay any of those 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.720 where I'm like, We're like, they've got they've put it 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:18.480 into my mouth. 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:19.240 Best Week ever. 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.800 Yeah, it's the whole, the whole thing, right, we will 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.400 not be mean the best week ever. It launched many friends. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.800 I would dry weep for best Week every I appreciate 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.440 best Week ever. That was a huge moment, and it 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:32.880 employed countless comedians. 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:34.600 I'm saying employed countless. 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.319 This is free you know around Technically they weren't countless 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:40.800 because I didn't. 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:41.280 Get on the show. 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:42.640 Yeah, it's true, right. 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:44.600 So it wasn't fine. 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.719 It was circulating, yeah, carousel of it. 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:50.480 Yeah, no, I feel like I'm doing that when I'm 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.080 like so grizzly man. 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:54.280 Uh yeah. 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:58.679 So at the end, towards the end whatever, there's tape existing, 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.640 DI please bring it. 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.800 I know this is so strange, but I wanted to say, 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:05.800 there's the best Week ever joke that I probably think 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.439 about twice a year, which is crazy. 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:08.840 Yeah. 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:10.560 Yeah, and I don't remember who said it, of course 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.400 I cannot attribute that to. I want to say it 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:14.280 was Christian Finnegan. 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:15.000 I bet it was. 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.680 It's okay, so they're talking about the secret. Yes, as 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.800 in the film that was released from the documentary was 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.200 released alongside The Secret, and they're talking about how in 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.679 the Secret they say like, if you have cancer, like 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.400 watch Charlie Chaplin film, laugh and like laugh the cancer 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.240 out or like you know, and then Christian Finnigan was like, 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.680 if you laugh at a Charlie Chaplan movie, the cancer 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:36.480 will leave your body out of embarrassment. 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.720 Oh my god, I love it. Better be Christian or 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:43.720 it's his nap. 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.720 The idea imagine like the following in a Chaplin film, 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.840 because here's what's embarrassing. I pretended to do that when 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:51.800 I was eighteen years old, and I was like, I'm 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:53.880 actually more of a Keaton head, you know what I 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.680 was like, I was like a Buster Keaton. I was like, chaplain, 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:58.200 I you know, it's Keaton all the way. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:10:59.679 No me as a young girls saying the same. But 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.280 for young Freud, I'm a young. 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.080 Yeah, well please tell you start at some time. I mean, obviously, 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:06.160 but every mentioned. 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:07.640 I have to go deeper into Freud because I lost 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:09.800 a lot of it. Now I'm so young, young yung. 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:11.160 But but I. 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.400 Remember being, you know, at a screening for Sherlock Junior, 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:18.280 the Buster Keaton film, and which is, which is. 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:19.040 Little to me. 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:22.080 I about to go, which is great. Who cares? It 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:26.000 is great? But who cares? But he actually broke his 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.119 neck making it, which is a wild little. 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.000 Maybe it'll end up on a great show called Cursed Films? 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.160 Do you ever see that? Yeah? 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:39.040 But I just remember laughing being in the audience laughing aka. 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:39.840 Pretending to laugh. 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:41.360 Well, for example, I knew. 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:46.600 To impress my older cinema teacher. Okay, I just held 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:47.800 up Charlie Chappan. 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.840 My autobiography, where's my Sherlock? Where's my I have my 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:51.560 Buster Keaton? 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:53.719 And this is this is the thing. 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.320 This is like when I've when I continue to buy 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:02.880 copies of Tartuffe, okayes of Tartufe, but at secondhand bookstores, 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:07.400 like convinced, like you know, like like reading early like comedies. 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:09.040 Okay, oh I know, like. 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.960 Oh, like I'm gonna have this sort of bedrock of 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.920 ancient comedy knowledge. You know, I'm not going back for eighties, folks, 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:17.439 I'm going back you know that sort of thing. 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.640 And then yeah, where were we so you were saying, 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:23.520 you were saying buying copies of Tartuffe. 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:25.320 Yeah, I'm done with that. I'm so Grizzly Man. Can 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:27.800 we I just want to get it clear about what occurs. Okay. 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.520 So he always taped himself and video camera and these, 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:32.160 you know. 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:33.880 He was alone. He would go alone for months. 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.439 It would just be alone with the bears and his 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:40.959 video camera. And he captured some truly incredible footage, not 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.800 just of the bears but of himself encountering them and 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.200 living there in other animals. There's such beautiful footage. I mean, 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.400 I hadn't seen it in years, and I was quite sleeping. 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:50.240 Foxes in a. 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:54.000 Hole, yes, Jacklan, the foxes, No, there's foxes being. The 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:55.600 foxes are the star of Grizzly Man. 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.760 The foxes are so sweet, and it's just very it's 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:02.040 very there's a lot going on in it. 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:02.839 It's just great. 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:07.000 But when he finally is killed by a grizzly bear, yeah, 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.200 you know, his camera falls to the side. I don't 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.400 know if there's any video of it, but there's certainly. 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:13.679 He was with his girlfriend too, Ramald of course. 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:18.080 She oh right, yeah, wait she was there, Oh she 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:18.600 was there. 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.959 They were both mauled by grizzly bears. 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:26.640 Wait, I am scum. She is a woman. 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:27.760 Well, no, you're not. 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.880 From the memories following the narrative of Werner of the 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.760 prevailing narrative, I mean not that she's ignored in the film, 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:35.520 but it's about because. 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.640 He's the one that led the brigade. 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:39.600 She was there, Yeah, she was there. 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.760 She actually, I believe, encountered him being slaughtered by a bear, 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:48.640 like she like came upon him being and so she's like, 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.320 and there's so what happens is the camera false aside 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:53.840 the lens cap is on, but was captured as the 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.200 horrifying audio of them both being murdered. 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.000 Not murdered, bears don't murder. 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:59.560 They just do not show it in the film. 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:05.000 Instead, instead, brilliantly, they don't include the audio, but they 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:08.680 simply show Hertzog listening to the audio. 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.439 Right's gonna say, no, it's it's I was gonna say, 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.160 like a stunning you know, it's a sort of stunning ego, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.320 kind of like that. The climax of the film is 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:19.720 the filmmaker listening to audio and weeping. 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:25.040 Yeah, or he's not weep okay, not even a single tear. 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.600 No, it's oh, absolutely tearless. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.120 No, I think right, I think he was almost to weep. 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:31.720 Would have been a bit much because he's in front 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:33.880 of people, right, He's in front of family who's never listened. 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.480 He's he's in front of Timothy's ex girlfriend. 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:37.840 Who never listened. 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.360 Right, Yeah, but she she holds the tape. 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.280 He's like, promise me, you'll never listen to this, and 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.480 she's like, I promise, you must never listen to this. 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:47.960 God the man knows how to do a gravity toss. 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:48.680 I know. 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.400 The way he talks about nature as being you know, 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:53.920 it's not that I forget which film of his he 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.840 talks about the rainforest is being pornographic and the unfinished 0:14:57.920 --> 0:14:58.640 work of God. 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:00.000 It's like so brilliant or something. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.160 I think he talks about it being like the rainforce 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:03.720 is being unfinished, which is so. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.760 That's interesting in the sense that it's like this sort 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.680 of lull it's lush and wild, it's unpolished. 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:14.160 No, no, no, the idea of like the churning fornication 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.440 of the rainforest, and that it's like the fornication it's 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:21.360 separate from I mean ideally separate from human intervention, right, 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:25.320 And it's like this just visually, this kind of matrix 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.520 of nature that's. 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.960 Unfinished and it can never be finished because it goes 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:31.480 on forever. 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.240 Oh, it's Burden of Dreams, in which he talks about so. 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.440 Weird two documentaries that both end in the word dreams. 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:38.680 You can't do that. 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:40.720 Data has broken in to say that one is about 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.160 him and one is by him. And that's just a 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.240 great example of the power of a preposition, you know, 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.680 the difference between bhy and about right there anyway, So 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:50.000 I do want to talk about my foot. We got 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:51.040 to Grizzly Man, right. 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.120 We kind of just say briefly because you were talking 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.120 about us in the East Village going to the cinemas, right, 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.760 And I was yesterday thinking about my youth and how 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.160 my own nostalgia for you know, Kim's video, right, Like 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.360 I had an actual I had an actual membership at 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.520 Kim's video, or just going to record stores and being 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.720 convinced that I would fall in love there. I was like, 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:14.160 I was like, if I go to bookstore, I go 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:15.800 to record store, like I'm going to fall in love 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:16.560 among the stacks. 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.040 So you'll glance over and it'll be like it'll be like, 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.680 oh you also like I mean that kind of stuff. 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:25.840 So that was such a vital part of my my life. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:27.760 I feel like eaving that love would be going to 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:29.680 b and mortars to fall in love. 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.760 Right right, right, right right, Let me think about that, right. 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.200 I'm trying to think if I've ever had a positive 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:39.920 interaction and a brick and mortar with a person, you 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:41.800 know what I mean, like ever, like yeah, happened in 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:43.920 one because you know I love to glance and make 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.480 eye contact and say like can you believe the hell? Oh, 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.600 I'll tell you about CVS story one time I mean, 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:50.320 and by one time, I mean after the break. 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:54.680