Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kate Berlance, I'm Jacqueline Novak.
Speaker 2: And this is poog, an ongoing conversation about wellness between
Speaker 2: two obsessive reads.
Speaker 3: Two untamable intellects. This is our hobby, This is our hell.
Speaker 4: This is our naked desire for free products. This is poog.
Speaker 1: Today's topics, loosely speaking, vicular accessory death by bear, double blind.
Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, Hello, I want to talk about my foot today.
Speaker 1: Are you happy about it or devastated to.
Speaker 4: Hear about your foot?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Tell me, because you were texting me some skeletal information, no, unintended.
Speaker 2: Skeletal is a favorite word of mine to use to
Speaker 2: describe something bear a small amount of information.
Speaker 1: Oh I see, okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 4: On phone calls, I'll be like, I just have this
Speaker 4: like skeletal idea.
Speaker 3: But uh see that's interesting because this call it skeletal
Speaker 3: does suggest that the bones the structure are there, So
Speaker 3: it's actually kind of a like it's kind of a
Speaker 3: big promise.
Speaker 4: Well, you're actually completely right skeletal.
Speaker 3: Like I have the structure of the film, all three acts,
Speaker 3: of course, a skeleton.
Speaker 4: That's so true. I've never had a skeletal idea. I
Speaker 4: only have fragments.
Speaker 2: All right, this is the set, this is the perfume
Speaker 2: that would be in there were that character to walk by,
Speaker 2: So we.
Speaker 1: Can come up with language to sort of defend that
Speaker 1: and couch that in a way that you know, it
Speaker 1: sets you up for excellence.
Speaker 3: But just so they're not expecting a skeleton, you know,
Speaker 3: which is bones from head to toe, right every it's
Speaker 3: articulated bones, you know what I like to say.
Speaker 2: I also got I was mildly distracted because I was
Speaker 2: thinking about fossils and anyway, I'm back.
Speaker 1: Kind of bringing them into your life more.
Speaker 4: No, I don't need them.
Speaker 3: Well, I do think about I do think about us
Speaker 3: seeing what is a cave of forgotten dreams Werner and Okay,
Speaker 3: one of the greatest experiences being in a theater review.
Speaker 4: We were I think we were in the Sunshine Cinema.
Speaker 2: Now of course it's been leveled, and now it'll be
Speaker 2: a foot locker, and then that will be levels.
Speaker 3: And I actually was picturing us sort of clamping towards
Speaker 3: the doors of theater. And then it was one of
Speaker 3: my favorite memories because so Kate's father collects early Man
Speaker 3: art in the form of stones, okay.
Speaker 4: Or paleolithic stone tools.
Speaker 1: Yes, but he has some that like look like faces
Speaker 1: and stuff, right, or.
Speaker 4: You don't want to talk about it. It's a huge No,
Speaker 4: I actually do, and you don't want to do.
Speaker 2: I want to pause because I want to shout out
Speaker 2: my dad's book, and I don't know what it's called.
Speaker 4: Can you believe that?
Speaker 1: No? And I didn't even know he had a book.
Speaker 3: While you look for that, I'm going to shout out
Speaker 3: my dad's podcast called The Cunning of Geist, which I
Speaker 3: helped him start this year.
Speaker 1: It's about hegel.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, are you serious?
Speaker 1: It's pretty cozy to listen to his voice.
Speaker 3: He's more prepared and what he talks about, so you
Speaker 3: don't get to hear him saying okay, you know like
Speaker 3: I do, which would be really cozy for listeners. I think, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: give it to me. But I am going to bring
Speaker 3: us back to sunshine.
Speaker 4: Before I do it.
Speaker 2: Certainly, I would like to briefly plug my father's book.
Speaker 2: First Sculpture, HANDECKX to figure Stone. No, when did this
Speaker 2: come out three years ago? I guess and you said nothing.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: Hand axes, Yeah, you know these are objects that we
Speaker 2: used to be seen as being purely functional as tools.
Speaker 2: You'll see of many major collections. But the idea is
Speaker 2: that no, these were in fact symbolic objects, right, these
Speaker 2: were art objects.
Speaker 3: And also, and I guess I kind of stole this idea,
Speaker 3: maybe unfairly in my shirt whatever.
Speaker 1: We won't talk about that, but.
Speaker 3: Taking rocks back the original curation, a rock that is
Speaker 3: found in nature as something that looks a little bit
Speaker 3: like a woman's body, and then.
Speaker 1: They carry that back exactly curation as art.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, well that was and I should cite your
Speaker 3: father if i'm gonna, you.
Speaker 4: Know, please do cite Tony.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, it's pretty wild. The idea that you can actually
Speaker 4: carbon date these objects. You can see that they were,
Speaker 4: as you said, curated. They're brought from disparate locations to
Speaker 4: one location.
Speaker 1: Which and this is the key. That fact is what
Speaker 1: makes it that it.
Speaker 3: Is, you know, art or whatever, that it's not purely
Speaker 3: functioned obviously right now and here. And the reason I'm
Speaker 3: not saying it in the perfect way and I'm about
Speaker 3: to is because you said it in.
Speaker 1: The perfect way in the movie theater. Okay, And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna die. I'm gonna die.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, it's like my favorite thing, and it honestly
Speaker 3: launched a huge sense of like where our collaboration should
Speaker 3: ultimately lie in this life.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: So so we go to the theater.
Speaker 3: We're watching Cave Forgotten Dreams, the whole thing, and you know,
Speaker 3: they're basically acting like what that that's like the first
Speaker 3: art I think and can't forgot the dreams, the paintings
Speaker 3: I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're talking about I think these cave paintings.
Speaker 3: And they say that, you know, the first ones to
Speaker 3: create art of early man were something such I forget
Speaker 3: what it was, and you said, you leaned over to
Speaker 3: me side glance.
Speaker 1: Okay, and just go and just go. Actually, Homo habilis
Speaker 1: had aesthetic sense.
Speaker 3: Okay, because they were trying to act like Homo habilis, okay, whatever,
Speaker 3: they were.
Speaker 2: Contributing asthetic sensitivity to the next generation Homo erectus.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, those could be wrong, but the point
Speaker 3: is you leaned over and said Homo habilis, which like,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I even I won't lie.
Speaker 1: I probably didn't know the word, okay, years.
Speaker 3: Like homoil sense, okay, just leaning over to correct Herzog
Speaker 3: was immensely gorgeous and satisfying to me, and.
Speaker 1: Oh God, to be in the theater with you, God.
Speaker 4: I miss it. Got to be Uh yeah, cave of
Speaker 4: forgotten dreams that could use the rewatch?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but is that the one I forget?
Speaker 3: Is that the one that includes the And this is
Speaker 3: the only way you can say it, Neon Lizards.
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything else.
Speaker 2: I knew you were going to say that a different one.
Speaker 2: It's no, that's the one. It's a really striking image.
Speaker 2: I believe it's the very end of the film, and
Speaker 2: I can't even remember what really it meant exactly.
Speaker 1: Neon Lizard is all I have.
Speaker 4: I will say briefly I did, and we can move
Speaker 4: on from from Herzog. But I uh or not?
Speaker 2: I use I recently did a rewatch of Grizzly Man
Speaker 2: and it is officially in my top five movies favorite
Speaker 2: films of all time?
Speaker 4: Yeah, god, get no, when's last time you watched it?
Speaker 1: Years?
Speaker 3: Okay, But there was a period where I watched it
Speaker 3: a lot. No like for the listeners, of course.
Speaker 2: What I rewatched it and I was weeping, Well, actually,
Speaker 2: do you consider weeping?
Speaker 4: Is it weeping?
Speaker 2: If the tears are silently cascade, well get ready.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's no, no, of course, I mean,
Speaker 1: of course that's the definition.
Speaker 2: Of course that's what we do, because I think it'll
Speaker 2: be because like like there needs to be like an auditory.
Speaker 1: Element which is sobbing to me.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, it's very I'm weep more than I saw.
Speaker 3: Because I'm sorry to bring up my book, okay, but
Speaker 3: how to weep? Always bring this was an issue, This
Speaker 3: was a question. I mean, I have a book with
Speaker 3: the word weep in the title, and that book, I mean,
Speaker 3: or that title, you know, I remember Jenni Friedman, comedian,
Speaker 3: said to me, why isn't it how to cry in public?
Speaker 3: She just sort of said that, And of course, you
Speaker 3: know that is you know, there's an insult there, and
Speaker 3: I accept it from her. And actually I believe she
Speaker 3: asked me that question like twice, with like six years
Speaker 3: in between, like the same question.
Speaker 1: I don't even believe.
Speaker 3: I don't think she's been thinking of the whole time,
Speaker 3: because that doesn't feel as much like her. I think
Speaker 3: she spontaneously went why weep? You know, cry is stronger
Speaker 3: and more direct and whatever, But to me, weep is
Speaker 3: comical because it's a feat.
Speaker 4: That's not the right word so much more poetic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it's sort of outrageous.
Speaker 3: So anyway, but yeah, to me, weeping is kind of
Speaker 3: that is kind of a silent I mean much like
Speaker 3: a weeping wound, you know that metaphor, A weeping wound
Speaker 3: isn't screaming weep.
Speaker 2: I would also argue as a more feminized term. Yes,
Speaker 2: crying kind of feels like also attributed to babies. Weeping
Speaker 2: suggests emotion, yes, right, like babies cry.
Speaker 1: A little bit, right, a little bit of drama. It is.
Speaker 3: We're leaning and you know, sort of leaning into that,
Speaker 3: all right, Jesus pull me back.
Speaker 1: So so so okay.
Speaker 3: So Grizzly for the People that I don't know is
Speaker 3: one of Werner Herzog documentaries, and it's about Grizzly man.
Speaker 1: Wait, I feel like I have the wrong name. Timothy Treadwell.
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 4: You got it?
Speaker 1: He's a man that lived with the grizzlies, right, yes,
Speaker 1: or at least he go out there every summer and
Speaker 1: sort of commune with the grizzlies. Everyone thought he was
Speaker 1: crazy and not to be clear, in the end, yeah.
Speaker 4: Hey, don't go to the end.
Speaker 1: You don't think that's part of the truth.
Speaker 4: Everyone knows we've all heard the tape.
Speaker 1: But it's you have not heard the tape. That's a joke, right,
Speaker 1: No one's heard the tape.
Speaker 4: So this is what I want to there's no spoiler here.
Speaker 3: He's dead, okay, and he died Okay, he died by bears.
Speaker 3: I think that's the selling point.
Speaker 2: You can know that, Like, that's the thing. It doesn't
Speaker 2: matter what happens, no matters how it happens. Right, you
Speaker 2: can listen to this not knowing that and still be
Speaker 2: completely thrilled by the film.
Speaker 3: It's not it's not about the surprise that that he dies,
Speaker 3: it's it's the inevitability exactly. And then, in an utterly
Speaker 3: stunning kind of filmmaker sort of the filmmakers and the
Speaker 3: film kind of thing, Werner, there's a tape. There's audio
Speaker 3: tape because Timothy tread Will filmed himself full the time.
Speaker 1: Why am I educating? What is this tone?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 1: Like and going so Timothy tru you know what this
Speaker 1: feels like?
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm a talking head in like any
Speaker 3: of those like not even just best week ever, but
Speaker 3: like I knew you were gonna, okay any of those
Speaker 3: where I'm like, We're like, they've got they've put it
Speaker 3: into my mouth.
Speaker 4: Best Week ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the whole, the whole thing, right, we will
Speaker 1: not be mean the best week ever. It launched many friends.
Speaker 2: I would dry weep for best Week every I appreciate
Speaker 2: best Week ever. That was a huge moment, and it
Speaker 2: employed countless comedians.
Speaker 1: I'm saying employed countless.
Speaker 3: This is free you know around Technically they weren't countless
Speaker 3: because I didn't.
Speaker 1: Get on the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true, right.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't fine.
Speaker 4: It was circulating, yeah, carousel of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I feel like I'm doing that when I'm
Speaker 3: like so grizzly man.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah.
Speaker 3: So at the end, towards the end whatever, there's tape existing,
Speaker 3: DI please bring it.
Speaker 2: I know this is so strange, but I wanted to say,
Speaker 2: there's the best Week ever joke that I probably think
Speaker 2: about twice a year, which is crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't remember who said it, of course
Speaker 2: I cannot attribute that to. I want to say it
Speaker 2: was Christian Finnegan.
Speaker 1: I bet it was.
Speaker 2: It's okay, so they're talking about the secret. Yes, as
Speaker 2: in the film that was released from the documentary was
Speaker 2: released alongside The Secret, and they're talking about how in
Speaker 2: the Secret they say like, if you have cancer, like
Speaker 2: watch Charlie Chaplin film, laugh and like laugh the cancer
Speaker 2: out or like you know, and then Christian Finnigan was like,
Speaker 2: if you laugh at a Charlie Chaplan movie, the cancer
Speaker 2: will leave your body out of embarrassment.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love it. Better be Christian or
Speaker 1: it's his nap.
Speaker 2: The idea imagine like the following in a Chaplin film,
Speaker 2: because here's what's embarrassing. I pretended to do that when
Speaker 2: I was eighteen years old, and I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: actually more of a Keaton head, you know what I
Speaker 2: was like, I was like a Buster Keaton. I was like, chaplain,
Speaker 2: I you know, it's Keaton all the way.
Speaker 1: No me as a young girls saying the same. But
Speaker 1: for young Freud, I'm a young.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well please tell you start at some time. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 3: but every mentioned.
Speaker 2: I have to go deeper into Freud because I lost
Speaker 2: a lot of it. Now I'm so young, young yung.
Speaker 2: But but I.
Speaker 4: Remember being, you know, at a screening for Sherlock Junior,
Speaker 4: the Buster Keaton film, and which is, which is.
Speaker 1: Little to me.
Speaker 4: I about to go, which is great. Who cares? It
Speaker 4: is great? But who cares? But he actually broke his
Speaker 4: neck making it, which is a wild little.
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll end up on a great show called Cursed Films?
Speaker 1: Do you ever see that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But I just remember laughing being in the audience laughing aka.
Speaker 4: Pretending to laugh.
Speaker 1: Well, for example, I knew.
Speaker 2: To impress my older cinema teacher. Okay, I just held
Speaker 2: up Charlie Chappan.
Speaker 4: My autobiography, where's my Sherlock? Where's my I have my
Speaker 4: Buster Keaton?
Speaker 1: And this is this is the thing.
Speaker 3: This is like when I've when I continue to buy
Speaker 3: copies of Tartuffe, okayes of Tartufe, but at secondhand bookstores,
Speaker 3: like convinced, like you know, like like reading early like comedies.
Speaker 1: Okay, oh I know, like.
Speaker 3: Oh, like I'm gonna have this sort of bedrock of
Speaker 3: ancient comedy knowledge. You know, I'm not going back for eighties, folks,
Speaker 3: I'm going back you know that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, where were we so you were saying,
Speaker 2: you were saying buying copies of Tartuffe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm done with that. I'm so Grizzly Man. Can
Speaker 1: we I just want to get it clear about what occurs. Okay.
Speaker 1: So he always taped himself and video camera and these,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: He was alone. He would go alone for months.
Speaker 2: It would just be alone with the bears and his
Speaker 2: video camera. And he captured some truly incredible footage, not
Speaker 2: just of the bears but of himself encountering them and
Speaker 2: living there in other animals. There's such beautiful footage. I mean,
Speaker 2: I hadn't seen it in years, and I was quite sleeping.
Speaker 1: Foxes in a.
Speaker 4: Hole, yes, Jacklan, the foxes, No, there's foxes being. The
Speaker 4: foxes are the star of Grizzly Man.
Speaker 2: The foxes are so sweet, and it's just very it's
Speaker 2: very there's a lot going on in it.
Speaker 4: It's just great.
Speaker 3: But when he finally is killed by a grizzly bear, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, his camera falls to the side. I don't
Speaker 3: know if there's any video of it, but there's certainly.
Speaker 4: He was with his girlfriend too, Ramald of course.
Speaker 1: She oh right, yeah, wait she was there, Oh she
Speaker 1: was there.
Speaker 4: They were both mauled by grizzly bears.
Speaker 1: Wait, I am scum. She is a woman.
Speaker 4: Well, no, you're not.
Speaker 2: From the memories following the narrative of Werner of the
Speaker 2: prevailing narrative, I mean not that she's ignored in the film,
Speaker 2: but it's about because.
Speaker 1: He's the one that led the brigade.
Speaker 4: She was there, Yeah, she was there.
Speaker 2: She actually, I believe, encountered him being slaughtered by a bear,
Speaker 2: like she like came upon him being and so she's like,
Speaker 2: and there's so what happens is the camera false aside
Speaker 2: the lens cap is on, but was captured as the
Speaker 2: horrifying audio of them both being murdered.
Speaker 4: Not murdered, bears don't murder.
Speaker 1: They just do not show it in the film.
Speaker 2: Instead, instead, brilliantly, they don't include the audio, but they
Speaker 2: simply show Hertzog listening to the audio.
Speaker 3: Right's gonna say, no, it's it's I was gonna say,
Speaker 3: like a stunning you know, it's a sort of stunning ego,
Speaker 3: kind of like that. The climax of the film is
Speaker 3: the filmmaker listening to audio and weeping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or he's not weep okay, not even a single tear.
Speaker 4: No, it's oh, absolutely tearless.
Speaker 3: No, I think right, I think he was almost to weep.
Speaker 3: Would have been a bit much because he's in front
Speaker 3: of people, right, He's in front of family who's never listened.
Speaker 4: He's he's in front of Timothy's ex girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Who never listened.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, but she she holds the tape.
Speaker 2: He's like, promise me, you'll never listen to this, and
Speaker 2: she's like, I promise, you must never listen to this.
Speaker 1: God the man knows how to do a gravity toss.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: The way he talks about nature as being you know,
Speaker 2: it's not that I forget which film of his he
Speaker 2: talks about the rainforest is being pornographic and the unfinished
Speaker 2: work of God.
Speaker 4: It's like so brilliant or something.
Speaker 2: I think he talks about it being like the rainforce
Speaker 2: is being unfinished, which is so.
Speaker 1: That's interesting in the sense that it's like this sort
Speaker 1: of lull it's lush and wild, it's unpolished.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, the idea of like the churning fornication
Speaker 2: of the rainforest, and that it's like the fornication it's
Speaker 2: separate from I mean ideally separate from human intervention, right,
Speaker 2: And it's like this just visually, this kind of matrix
Speaker 2: of nature that's.
Speaker 1: Unfinished and it can never be finished because it goes
Speaker 1: on forever.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's Burden of Dreams, in which he talks about so.
Speaker 1: Weird two documentaries that both end in the word dreams.
Speaker 4: You can't do that.
Speaker 3: Data has broken in to say that one is about
Speaker 3: him and one is by him. And that's just a
Speaker 3: great example of the power of a preposition, you know,
Speaker 3: the difference between bhy and about right there anyway, So
Speaker 3: I do want to talk about my foot. We got
Speaker 3: to Grizzly Man, right.
Speaker 2: We kind of just say briefly because you were talking
Speaker 2: about us in the East Village going to the cinemas, right,
Speaker 2: And I was yesterday thinking about my youth and how
Speaker 2: my own nostalgia for you know, Kim's video, right, Like
Speaker 2: I had an actual I had an actual membership at
Speaker 2: Kim's video, or just going to record stores and being
Speaker 2: convinced that I would fall in love there. I was like,
Speaker 2: I was like, if I go to bookstore, I go
Speaker 2: to record store, like I'm going to fall in love
Speaker 2: among the stacks.
Speaker 1: So you'll glance over and it'll be like it'll be like,
Speaker 1: oh you also like I mean that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: So that was such a vital part of my my life.
Speaker 4: I feel like eaving that love would be going to
Speaker 4: b and mortars to fall in love.
Speaker 1: Right right, right, right right, Let me think about that, right.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think if I've ever had a positive
Speaker 3: interaction and a brick and mortar with a person, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, like ever, like yeah, happened in
Speaker 3: one because you know I love to glance and make
Speaker 3: eye contact and say like can you believe the hell? Oh,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you about CVS story one time I mean,
Speaker 3: and by one time, I mean after the break.
Speaker 4: Okay, see you back, see you back.
Speaker 3: Ads time, baby, By the way, you know I should
Speaker 3: say as we roll back from the ads. You know,
Speaker 3: ads run on this network that have nothing to do
Speaker 3: with our We don't produce them.
Speaker 1: There's been some complaints about the mikes in the ad,
Speaker 1: not the ones with us, other ads that are not.
Speaker 2: Also, I got a text from a friend being like,
Speaker 2: you know, there's an ad for.
Speaker 4: A fish on pook, just like a kind of fish,
Speaker 4: which I was like, well, that's great, that's very creative.
Speaker 1: What you know, beta fish They kind of have that
Speaker 1: shredded look.
Speaker 4: I almost said a wet fish. No, it was like
Speaker 4: a like a flaky white fish.
Speaker 1: Oh to eat to eat.
Speaker 2: That I assume is not, you know, an overfished variant. Right, anyway,
Speaker 2: you were going to tell me a CBS story, I'm excited.
Speaker 3: It's just one of my strong memories of sort of
Speaker 3: the horror of the fact that if you're on antidepressants,
Speaker 3: particularly trying to start out on them, or you're not
Speaker 3: on the right ones yet, the fact you have to
Speaker 3: haul your depressed ass to the to the CBS and
Speaker 3: work through the gauntlet of that and insurance issues. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just it's astonishing that, you know, it's I guess
Speaker 3: like in general, the fact that.
Speaker 1: You have to go to pick up medication for any
Speaker 1: ailment is like wrong, well they have delivery now, right,
Speaker 1: Well they do, yeah, but just sort of the original
Speaker 1: it is an indignity. So standing in CBS, I recall
Speaker 1: one time in the East Village of Manhattan there was
Speaker 1: a long line and the pharmacist it was one of
Speaker 1: the most outrageous things I ever saw. He was just
Speaker 1: he's so frustrated. He's watching around. There's ten people in line.
Speaker 3: Okay, Walterman like you know, doing his business back there,
Speaker 3: and he just goes, oh okay, and he's like okay,
Speaker 3: it keeps like making sounds like that, frustrated sounds, and
Speaker 3: then he just goes, I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna freaking kill myself.
Speaker 4: That is that? No? Is that not out dredible? And
Speaker 4: you're getting your well Betrid, Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: No, but I was determined to talk about my foot
Speaker 3: a little bit today because I need to help with
Speaker 3: the listeners.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, let's do it. Let's do outreach.
Speaker 3: I was in a comedy club two years ago, I
Speaker 3: don't know whatever, and there's a little step in the
Speaker 3: back of the room.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting to go on stage. There's a little, you know,
Speaker 1: raised area.
Speaker 3: And then I'm heading to stage and I'm wearing heels,
Speaker 3: you know, a chunk heel. I mean something you know
Speaker 3: you'd expect from me, a little something. Yeah, And I
Speaker 3: walk walk walk. It's dark because it's a theater, and
Speaker 3: suddenly I'm falling.
Speaker 1: Okay. Oh, I've been introduced Jackal and Novak. Okay. So
Speaker 1: I'm walking from the back of the club to the front, okay.
Speaker 4: And smile on your face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I fall And it's because the rope light
Speaker 3: that delineated where the step was without. So a rope
Speaker 3: light is like a strand of you know, LEDs for example,
Speaker 3: inside of a rubber or in plastic sheer plastic, creating
Speaker 3: kind of a glow like a sausage. Yeah, sausage of light.
Speaker 3: And okay, sorry, so fall hurts head to the stage.
Speaker 3: No one saw I have to go back to the fall, Okay.
Speaker 4: So suddenly you're falling in dark days.
Speaker 3: So it's like you know when you don't see a step,
Speaker 3: there's no step, and suddenly you feeling oh, I mean
Speaker 3: there is a step where you don't believe there is one, okay,
Speaker 3: and then down you go.
Speaker 1: And it was a like ankle turn in the heel.
Speaker 3: Okay, but it wasn't outer ankle, and it wasn't exactly
Speaker 3: inner ankle. It was what I then through research, and
Speaker 3: you know, I love to look inside the body discovered
Speaker 3: was likely a navicular accessory, which is a slush bony
Speaker 3: slash cartilage piece that some people, like ten percent people
Speaker 3: have on the inside of their foot. It's like an
Speaker 3: extra kind of little bone slash cartilage. Okay, and you
Speaker 3: can kind of not have problems with it until you
Speaker 3: do or to an injury where it gets inflamed and
Speaker 3: then it hurts all the time. So sort of limping
Speaker 3: out of there. But I'm thinking, like, if this were real,
Speaker 3: it's not like it's a break. It's not like it's
Speaker 3: a fracture.
Speaker 4: Would you guessed? You screamed, you say, fuck, Like, what's that.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of just stunned because there's the adrenaline of
Speaker 3: like heading towards the stage, and so I'm sort of stunned.
Speaker 3: I hop back up, of course, and keep making my
Speaker 3: way to the stage. And even though no one saw I,
Speaker 3: you know, deeply authentic, sort of transparent artist.
Speaker 1: Yes, I immediately told them, okay, I just fell, okay, you.
Speaker 3: Know, and well, anyway, so I fell, it hurt, Okay,
Speaker 3: I sort of limp out of there. I think it's
Speaker 3: going to get better. And then for the last two years,
Speaker 3: you know, if I walk for ten minutes any any
Speaker 3: extended whatever, it starts to hurt and it gets kind
Speaker 3: of a point of limping. And I did go check
Speaker 3: it out and they said there's no fracture. It's an
Speaker 3: avicular accessory. They told me to get the orthotics that
Speaker 3: they recommend. I hate when you when you haul ass,
Speaker 3: same thing, hauling ass to a place like I go
Speaker 3: to a doctor, that's like unheard of okay for me, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they X ray it and whatever, and it's just
Speaker 3: like I'm walking out of there with a prescription that's
Speaker 3: not a prescription. It's just like them writing down Fleet
Speaker 3: feed in Glendale or whatever and the name of some
Speaker 3: orthotics or whatever they were just inserts. I go, I
Speaker 3: get them, I get some A six and I find
Speaker 3: no relief.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we need a foot I need a foot doctor,
Speaker 1: and I need someone who knows specifically but accessory and naviculars.
Speaker 1: And I need someone.
Speaker 4: Who Oh I've got someone for you. Huh. Really, I've
Speaker 4: got two people right here on top of my head.
Speaker 1: Who I mean. You don't have to say her name,
Speaker 1: but I guess you do. Well.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, we don't want all the other navicular accessories
Speaker 3: running out and getting an a pointment before me.
Speaker 1: But I suppose we could do it before the.
Speaker 2: Episode about Susanne Tom great physical therapist on the West Side,
Speaker 2: deals with the ballet. Okay, works directly with ballerinas, so
Speaker 2: she's gonna know a lot about feet.
Speaker 3: She will No, she'll know because ten percent of those
Speaker 3: ballerinas probably having novicular accessories.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 3: I read something and I don't feel like researching gang
Speaker 3: because it was a long path to get there. But
Speaker 3: I read something about like inserting someone getting a shot
Speaker 3: in their foot of bone meal or whatever, like like
Speaker 3: bone marrow or something or like oh or like something
Speaker 3: or plasma or I forget what the deal was, but
Speaker 3: like it sounded like radical healing. Obviously, I'm laying it
Speaker 3: on my red path, I mean my red light path
Speaker 3: led panel.
Speaker 1: Okay, nightly we do it.
Speaker 4: We need to do a huge light path episode.
Speaker 1: Well, it's become huge for me.
Speaker 3: We've mentioned it previously, but now I'm at a twice
Speaker 3: a day thing and I've been doing yoga in front
Speaker 3: of it nearly nude.
Speaker 4: Okay, oh my god? Why nearly? Why not just full nude.
Speaker 3: Because I don't really need like my like vulva like
Speaker 3: scraping against my unwashed yoga.
Speaker 4: Mat or as I welcome it daily. Yeah, you do
Speaker 4: know yoga nude or no. I was doing it completely naked,
Speaker 4: truly because I was like, I don't want to wear
Speaker 4: workout clothes.
Speaker 2: And then clean them, like that's the right, huge reason
Speaker 2: I won't work out is the laundry, right.
Speaker 1: You know, it's another thing. You know, it's huge.
Speaker 3: By the way, because you've talked about the issue of
Speaker 3: working out and how can anyone work out? It takes
Speaker 3: an entire day right between the shows preparations. I mean,
Speaker 3: particularly you're going anywhere. But even if you're not, one
Speaker 3: of my quick dips is and this is this is
Speaker 3: like high level. Okay, most people you know I mean,
Speaker 3: and I mean high level meaning desperate Okay, I guess
Speaker 3: or whatever. You know, like, you only do this if
Speaker 3: you're really desperate. And it's a little bit of like
Speaker 3: a depression thing.
Speaker 1: But the only way to get me to work out
Speaker 1: sort of for singing the morning is to go to
Speaker 1: bed in the workout clothes.
Speaker 3: The only way to get me to work out in
Speaker 3: the morning is to go to bed in the workout clothes.
Speaker 3: You can just roll right out, Okay, I don't want
Speaker 3: to be in the morning. Is there any greater hell
Speaker 3: than pulling a sports brawn over your head?
Speaker 2: But you want to oh heck, band or your head
Speaker 2: is forever trapped wrangled permanently.
Speaker 4: But wait, sleeping in tight clothes, that's awful.
Speaker 3: Well, I haven't done this in a while, okay, particularly
Speaker 3: because now I'm basically doing the exercise in underwear.
Speaker 1: It's not like I really need that.
Speaker 3: And I've basically also been sleeping in sports bras to
Speaker 3: try to protect the skin of the bosom hunts.
Speaker 4: What do you mean to keep your tits from being
Speaker 4: dragged across the mattress?
Speaker 3: No, from hanging free? Okay, when they hang free at night,
Speaker 3: then gravity's pulling on them to the skin, the whatever.
Speaker 3: So I'm just trying to It's the same as all
Speaker 3: the other stuff, you know, Like, No, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's why I won't lie good.
Speaker 4: I wouldn' I wouldn't want you to.
Speaker 1: Okay, I gotta support, I gotta and and yeah.
Speaker 3: But anyway, so I've been doing it nearly nude blasting
Speaker 3: under the light and very excited about that. However, you know,
Speaker 3: this is the only technical trade off to some and
Speaker 3: I don't think I love it, Okay.
Speaker 1: Is the red light causes more hair growth?
Speaker 3: Okay, what now, that's a benefit if you want to
Speaker 3: stick your head in it and get like thicker and whatever.
Speaker 1: And again, I'm.
Speaker 3: Not stopping to say supposedly, I'm not stopping to say allegedly.
Speaker 1: There's time here.
Speaker 3: Okay, we're getting you on the product claims. You do
Speaker 3: your disbelieving on your own time, folks. But yeah, the
Speaker 3: studies a you know, the hair lost whenever. It's pretty impresiveent.
Speaker 3: And I mean literally three thousand peer reviewed studies about
Speaker 3: red light.
Speaker 2: So and I will say, I sent the red light
Speaker 2: stuff over to my uncle, who's very conservative, yes, you
Speaker 2: know medically, Yeah, but he's you know, very entrenched in
Speaker 2: Western thought. And he at first kind of laughed. He's like,
Speaker 2: let me look at this, and then he came back
Speaker 2: the next hours later.
Speaker 4: Actually it looks pretty good.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: That thrills me mad excited because I was like, if
Speaker 2: Jef's on the case, yeah, there's something here.
Speaker 3: Speaking of Jeff, doctor Jeff Rocky Mountain vet uses a
Speaker 3: televison show I really enjoy and I'm watching on Discovery Plus.
Speaker 3: Yes I subscribe to Discovery Plus. If you can imagine,
Speaker 3: I take all the pluses and he uses red light
Speaker 3: in the vet practice. And they are not woo around there.
Speaker 2: They are a also an animal you can't placebo hn.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean unless your own prayer is affecting them,
Speaker 3: I guess, but it's hard to say.
Speaker 1: And they're probably very receptive.
Speaker 4: Animals are receptive to me prayer.
Speaker 1: Keep in mind. That's why double blind place ebo is
Speaker 1: a thing.
Speaker 2: What's double Oh double blinds your nose real one versus
Speaker 2: the not real one that's affecting that.
Speaker 1: I mean, welcome to metaphysics is real.
Speaker 4: To God damn energy and consciousness it is. So that's
Speaker 4: just crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh No, that is broken in to say that it's
Speaker 1: not double blind.
Speaker 2: We're avent the doctor from prey.
Speaker 5: It means you know what I mean, his consciousness affecting
Speaker 5: the double blind means that her consciousness that the recipient
Speaker 5: doesn't know if what they're getting is is the the
Speaker 5: real medicine or the placibo.
Speaker 1: But that's blind do No.
Speaker 2: Double blind means more than that, because that's the doctor
Speaker 2: doesn't know if they're giving placbo or the real medicine.
Speaker 2: So now they're handing the sugar pill and not im
Speaker 2: viewing the sugar pill with the medicinal properties.
Speaker 3: That's what THEDA is trying to say. Isn't what it's about.
Speaker 3: But I believe what I mean is okay that the.
Speaker 2: Consciousness you deliver a sugar pill, the energy behind it.
Speaker 3: No, it's because they're worried that their unconscious bias will
Speaker 3: skew them towards logging symptoms or improvements that they associate
Speaker 3: with the medicine.
Speaker 1: Can just include my audio.
Speaker 4: Listen, listen, listen. But I would say that we have
Speaker 4: discovered Nonetheless.
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by this of like, yeah, the stowing of
Speaker 2: the sugar pill with medicinal intention can.
Speaker 1: Well, I've brought it up a thousand times before.
Speaker 3: I know, I love to say it, but there's there
Speaker 3: were studies where even when people know that it's a placibo,
Speaker 3: it still works. I mean they even they were like
Speaker 3: these things they did where I'm gonna I'm gonna do
Speaker 3: my placbo research offline and I'm gonna come back hard.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna come hard on everybody here.
Speaker 3: No, but I do believe that the bias in consciousness
Speaker 3: would have an effect.
Speaker 4: Okay, I mean, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, you know, ever heard of quantum entanglement? Sorry okay,
Speaker 1: but nothing separate.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I just want to quote my
Speaker 3: favorite doctor Fred Allen Wolf doctor Quantum, who says in
Speaker 3: the Secret, as you mentioned earlier, I believe it was
Speaker 3: in the secret.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was what the bleep the.
Speaker 3: Issue anyway, but anyway, he just says, this isn't some
Speaker 3: imaginary craziness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always think about it as a gret clip.
Speaker 1: I'll be putting it on the book instant.
Speaker 4: So what's this?
Speaker 1: What's this?
Speaker 4: They're saying? For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction.
Speaker 1: Wait, what you mean? Basic? That's standard physics, that's standard
Speaker 1: Physicstonian physics, Thermo.
Speaker 4: It's notreal, that's the case.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Yes, but here's the thing. Here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, here's the thing about And again I'm speaking
Speaker 3: from what I think I know.
Speaker 4: Physics.
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Okay? So physics, I'm getting excited.
Speaker 3: Tonian physics. You know the stuff you learned in high school?
Speaker 3: Actually did you learn that?
Speaker 1: I feel like for some reason, I don't recall you
Speaker 1: learning physics.
Speaker 3: I'm picturing you, picturing you at a at a clay.
Speaker 4: We don't remember where I was.
Speaker 1: You didn't go, but you went. Did you go to
Speaker 1: a school that substituted clay for math?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like my wish because like artists, parents, et cetera. I
Speaker 3: just you know, I.
Speaker 2: Went to like a tragically academic school, but then I
Speaker 2: was I could never get above like a guy was
Speaker 2: like you know, it was a big deal.
Speaker 4: I got to see minus in math.
Speaker 1: It was a huge deal.
Speaker 4: I'll fight tooth and nail to get to see minus.
Speaker 1: That's so sweet, you fighting tooth and nail. Wait, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go in a second. But I want to say
Speaker 1: about physics.
Speaker 4: I just want to say, and I'm gonna find it
Speaker 4: for a future episode.
Speaker 2: I remember be on airplane reading about this little physics
Speaker 2: book and again feeling like the glory of Christ enter me.
Speaker 2: It was like a religious experience because I was somehow
Speaker 2: able to grasp the connection between temperature and time. This
Speaker 2: thing about the way molecules interact cool down.
Speaker 3: There's one idea that time is just heat entropy. Like
Speaker 3: it's a whatever. But I wanted to say one thing.
Speaker 3: Newtonian physics. All right, and I'm speaking out of whatever, okay,
Speaker 3: my own self, but my understanding is that Newtonian physics
Speaker 3: works on particles and matter that is on you know,
Speaker 3: that's big. It's when you when you get to the
Speaker 3: quanta which make up the larger things, that Newtonian physics
Speaker 3: no longer applies. Okay, I mean I will come one
Speaker 3: day with the quantum physics and notes that we need to.
Speaker 2: Book we'll do a physics episode because there's a lot
Speaker 2: there I want to say, because I'm a little distracted,
Speaker 2: but I think I want to bring it into the
Speaker 2: poog the Poog world, which is that we've been talking
Speaker 2: a little about about organization, organization, right, getting rid of things.
Speaker 4: I've been doing that in my home.
Speaker 2: How I can be so seduced this is and this
Speaker 2: is exactly what I'm trying to get past. It becomes
Speaker 2: an urgency in me.
Speaker 4: I need a new lamp. Now, I need a new lamp.
Speaker 3: To me too that I cannot there's no time now
Speaker 3: and not now, there's no It's an.
Speaker 4: Urgency, right.
Speaker 2: So it's like I'm looking at there's two lamps in
Speaker 2: my home I hate, and they know I hate them.
Speaker 1: Now the whole nation knows about about you knows one. Okay.
Speaker 2: So then I was desperate, right, I'm looking on online,
Speaker 2: you know. I'm like, I'm not spending four hundred dollars
Speaker 2: on a lamp, you know, go to hell. So I'm
Speaker 2: finding on offer up that website.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I felt panic when you joined
Speaker 3: offer up, okay, because I knew another shopp is going
Speaker 3: to come in.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: I'm like Jesus, I got more competition because I already
Speaker 3: have one friend we got to go to but go.
Speaker 4: I mean, so I bought a couple chairs. Offer up.
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled, but I bought yeah, so so chairs. They're
Speaker 2: gorgeous chairs. They're gargeous.
Speaker 1: Curious, I don't even want to know.
Speaker 4: Okay, i'll send you a pick later. But listen.
Speaker 2: The lamp is the issue. Here a floor lamp. Okay,
Speaker 2: there's a floor lamp. It's on, it's posted, it's fifty dollars.
Speaker 2: The woman's telling me it's in mint condition. It's kind
Speaker 2: of a bamboo ratan thing. I leap, I buy it,
Speaker 2: and me I got a condition?
Speaker 4: All right? I buy it. The next day, I drive
Speaker 4: to a part of Los Angeles that's like down my
Speaker 4: railroad track. It's like an actual railroad.
Speaker 2: It's like cargo being loaded onto a fucking train. And
Speaker 2: I'm there with my Mazda. Your boyfriend brings it out,
Speaker 2: load it into the back, take it home.
Speaker 4: I go, Did I just buy a hateous chat? I
Speaker 4: plugget it.
Speaker 2: I can't tell, So then of course I push it
Speaker 2: onto my mother. Right, I send her a picture, I said,
Speaker 2: I said.
Speaker 1: External and funny you know that you didn't get the pick.
Speaker 1: I didn't get on. I know you did, John early.
Speaker 4: John got it.
Speaker 2: But listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. I decide, I
Speaker 2: decided you I'm going to do decide for myself. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna farm it out to everyone, but by the
Speaker 2: way here I am. I'm gonna post it on poog
Speaker 2: Instagram and have people tell me if it's if it's a.
Speaker 4: Toss or a cape.
Speaker 1: Don't give them a power cake, do not. We have
Speaker 1: to go want to she will do it. Believe us.
Speaker 1: It's going on.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put it on the poog Instagram and the
Speaker 2: listeners will decide if it stays or if it goes.
Speaker 4: I have to tell you lately, I'm leaning stay.
Speaker 1: I'm leaning stay.
Speaker 4: Too old choice though when you see it, you're gonna screap.
Speaker 1: Hey, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess you should see some of the things I've
Speaker 3: purchased now. I also want to just be really clear
Speaker 3: before we leave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really clear.
Speaker 3: I've noticed this sometimes, you know, we're we're having a
Speaker 3: conversation about lamps on here, and everyone on the on
Speaker 3: the on the pug instad they come.
Speaker 1: Flying ok, I got a lamp for you. I need
Speaker 1: lamps to people just because just because I'm lending cake.
Speaker 1: Speak up the lamp, you know, don't don't don't miss
Speaker 1: o Kate wants.
Speaker 2: I actually want to say a poop listener found me
Speaker 2: a coffee table. So the listener one, sure, let's give
Speaker 2: them an ad. They didn't give me a free one sweetie.
Speaker 4: In fact, I.
Speaker 2: DM them directly said oh, I've been looking for a
Speaker 2: coffee table via my podcast, and they were like, oh
Speaker 2: great see, but I was like, and then I didn't
Speaker 2: have the strength to go, how about you give it
Speaker 2: to me for free?
Speaker 4: And then we cut a deal.
Speaker 5: Dog.
Speaker 1: You reached out and didn't say it about me when
Speaker 1: I was an organic.
Speaker 3: I'm the one who brought up coffee table search for
Speaker 3: the last seven years.
Speaker 4: They weren't going to give me the coffee table. If
Speaker 4: they had they suggested, oh, we're going to give you
Speaker 4: a coffee table. Of course wasn't in the plant.
Speaker 1: Okay, you can include me before.
Speaker 3: Don't let them except give it to you and then
Speaker 3: add me once they got you, because that then it makes.
Speaker 1: It hard on them.
Speaker 4: We got to I just want to say the lamp
Speaker 4: ads that.
Speaker 1: We don't produce. So so if you complain about the
Speaker 1: hot mics, I.
Speaker 2: Just want to say about this lamp. In a certain context,
Speaker 2: the lamp could look like a twelve hundred dollars lamp.
Speaker 2: Of course it could make It could bring someone to
Speaker 2: their knees the more hideous.
Speaker 1: There another context.
Speaker 2: This looks like what it is in fifty dollars, But
Speaker 2: it looks like a peer one import like horrifying spa
Speaker 2: lamp that you go and you get a staff infection,
Speaker 2: you know, getting something done?
Speaker 3: Is anyone getting staff infections anymore? All right, let's go
Speaker 3: to the break and then we'll talk about it.
Speaker 4: I got a staff infection as a teenager. Okay, staff
Speaker 4: infections anymore?
Speaker 1: Do you shower in public places without flip flops? You
Speaker 1: know a gym?
Speaker 4: I have done that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Telling about the flip flop is closer. Yeah, the flip
Speaker 4: flip flops.
Speaker 1: Just for me, running across the top of your flip
Speaker 1: flop is like a little like weird.
Speaker 2: Right, There was a time that I I'm sorry this,
Speaker 2: I'm just flashing back to a dorm I had where
Speaker 2: there were two coffin to the coffin size showers, you know,
Speaker 2: the coffin where they're upright, and it was a co
Speaker 2: ed dorm one bathroom on the floor with a plastic
Speaker 2: shower curtain that would stick to your body because we
Speaker 2: open window.
Speaker 4: Co ed bathroom, co ed and me horrified.
Speaker 2: How did I ever like imagine me eighteen years old
Speaker 2: going into the bathroom, a little baby.
Speaker 3: Walking the powers walking town, flip flops down the hall.
Speaker 3: This classic sort of collegiate kate did that. I think
Speaker 3: everyone would assume that you're like, this is the first
Speaker 3: thing that came to mind.
Speaker 4: Shower caddy.
Speaker 3: No, I was going to bring up the shower caddy.
Speaker 3: Shower caddy is the most like family feud, like number one,
Speaker 3: like what do you need to get to go to college?
Speaker 3: Like what's the typical shot?
Speaker 1: One? Two? I mean actually one would probably be twin
Speaker 1: extra long.
Speaker 4: Sheets an extra long yeah.
Speaker 3: Anyway, so yeah, yeah, the people like decorating their college dorms,
Speaker 3: Like do you ever see like I don't even at
Speaker 3: Target or something, right. Target always features this like back
Speaker 3: to school time where they've got these where they got
Speaker 3: the stuff for the dorm and it's like, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like a purple bulletin board. Okay, and they're like
Speaker 1: like a cube storage ottoman or whatever. I always think
Speaker 1: like they're going to be cheaper because they're like for
Speaker 1: teens or whatever, and then the price is still is
Speaker 1: still full on, but like, I don't know, it's.
Speaker 4: Like Pottery Barn for kids. You can go into the
Speaker 4: kids section and get like.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the classic. I always think I'm gonna get
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get the couch that's supposed to be in
Speaker 3: the bonus room. Are you familiar with this concept? You
Speaker 3: would be if you watched Love It or List It
Speaker 3: and other house related shows like that. If there's a
Speaker 3: room like without a window, no, without egress, they can't
Speaker 3: call it a bedroom. What's that a way to safely
Speaker 3: exits negress agress anyway, Bonus rooms couches, so they're called
Speaker 3: bonus rooms code wise, they're not allowed to call them
Speaker 3: a bedroom, okay, and so they're and the I just
Speaker 3: I'm tired of these people. They're always like and we
Speaker 3: want a bonus room, and I just like find the
Speaker 3: term bonus rooms deeply uninspiring, like repulsive.
Speaker 1: Like bonus. I actually find the word bonus pretty disgusting.
Speaker 1: And I think I know why. I think I know
Speaker 1: why we know why.
Speaker 4: I mean there we know why, right, sure, but it's like.
Speaker 3: A penis, thank you Ata, that's the literal answer, but
Speaker 3: not penis. No. Yeah, I merely heard the paradox of
Speaker 3: the simultaneity. Well, I heard penis first and then thought
Speaker 3: penis bo. Okay, we got something here, boner. I don't
Speaker 3: you know what I don't like about words that go
Speaker 3: bow okay, there's a there's sort of a there's sort
Speaker 3: of an arking. There's sort of an arking bow okay.
Speaker 3: It's like like what else well boat No, I don't
Speaker 3: mind that because the roundness closes at the end.
Speaker 1: It closes around Okay, it's like the bun. It's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really like boneness, bungness, buess.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't mind Beauregard bo Bo Biden or whatever. Wait,
Speaker 3: Bo Biden might have to go because is both the
Speaker 3: famous is Bo. Do you know who Bo Biden is?
Speaker 4: Boa was the one who died of a brain tumor
Speaker 4: Jacqueline No. No.
Speaker 2: The reason it was like it was like was like,
Speaker 2: oh my I have a quick Boat Biden anecdote, which
Speaker 2: is that my I remember texting with my mom when
Speaker 2: Bob what's his fucking name. Joe Biden was was announcing
Speaker 2: that he was going to run for president, and I
Speaker 2: was like, just what we need And then my mom
Speaker 2: was like his son said run dad, oh right, you know,
Speaker 2: and then died and that was enough.
Speaker 4: For my mom to secure the vote.
Speaker 1: No, right, just that family story.
Speaker 4: I want to say that.
Speaker 2: Greg Whiteley, one of the finest documentarians of our time,
Speaker 2: met the documentary I met Robi.
Speaker 3: Everyone here folks, wait, oh, but no, the reason I
Speaker 3: said the boat, oh yeah, boat on my bow alone,
Speaker 3: it's just like bus.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like really disgusting.
Speaker 4: But think, can you just give me one other word
Speaker 4: other than bonus hearing you beat it back perfectly.
Speaker 1: Perfectly, give me one other whatever than.
Speaker 3: Let me try to think, because like I think it
Speaker 3: might just be the boner penis of it that that
Speaker 3: got me in. And so then I'm sort of I mean,
Speaker 3: it's a roseband in or name. You know, it's a
Speaker 3: classic question for me, okay, whether the meaning is influencing
Speaker 3: my experience of the sound.
Speaker 4: Or always do you ever okay, I actually never mind.
Speaker 4: This is two. I was about to just truly be
Speaker 4: like languages are like.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, okay, who was it. Okay, hang on, hang on,
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be work that, I swear to God shine.
Speaker 2: Who was it that called like the invention of like
Speaker 2: the what's the alphabet that we use called?
Speaker 3: Oh the don't say don't say it data? I know
Speaker 3: you know, okay, producer data, but I want to I
Speaker 3: want to like pull it.
Speaker 1: I want to pull it.
Speaker 3: Okay, don't say it, Kate, when you get it, don't
Speaker 3: say it. This is better not be another wolf jackman. Okay,
Speaker 3: don't say it.
Speaker 4: No, no, I'm not gonna say it.
Speaker 1: I've heard that before. I've heard that before. Hold on, uh,
Speaker 1: not the word that's popping in mind, especially Roman numerals, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: and it's not the cyrillic alphabet for example, it's the
Speaker 1: not the Roman alphabet, not the Greco Grecian.
Speaker 4: Got it and you didn't say it, and I'm not
Speaker 4: saying it.
Speaker 1: Congrats? All right? Give me the first letter?
Speaker 4: Oh wait, I lost it again.
Speaker 1: Oh you had it in your head? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Were you about to say alpha numeric? Because no, because
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean anything, and it just was gonna fly.
Speaker 4: It sounds like sounds like a Latin word, I think.
Speaker 1: Wait. Okay, so it's not in the fuck Roman. I'm
Speaker 1: stuck on Roman? Sorry? Who cares? Who cares? I mean
Speaker 1: there's listeners who know and they're in they're screaming, and
Speaker 1: I actually like.
Speaker 4: To give that a lot of people care.
Speaker 3: But listen, THEATA just suggested that it might be Phoenician,
Speaker 3: but that if it is, that damn okay.
Speaker 2: So but listen, all right, I'm gonna say, and again
Speaker 2: I have just like a fragment of information here as usual.
Speaker 4: But I think it was Marshall McLuhan who talks about.
Speaker 1: The media is the message. Sorry, yeah, that guy.
Speaker 2: He talks about that being like the single most like
Speaker 2: islands and upsetting thing that was ever created because of
Speaker 2: the way limited thought, right, I mean, which is classic
Speaker 2: like language limits thought. Right, Yes, language creates and confines experience,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But that idea of the alphabet as
Speaker 2: being as being a violence upon the mind.
Speaker 3: Because it's you can't make words without the alphabet, right,
Speaker 3: So the alphabet is the knives. The alphabet is the
Speaker 3: initial knife cutting up you know, a morphous experience. But
Speaker 3: also you can't perceive without language. And this is once
Speaker 3: again we arrive at, you know, the paradox of living.
Speaker 3: You must trade, you know, the transcendent in favor of
Speaker 3: the lesser divided.
Speaker 1: And you know, we must want beauty there. And that's
Speaker 1: why we look for beauty and language, don't we ca.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well we have to or else what the hell
Speaker 4: or else are we going to do? Just like be
Speaker 4: a body? I mean, that's like guess the answer is
Speaker 4: to be a body in the street.
Speaker 1: To mean, language and body are the same thing. They
Speaker 1: limit the transcendent.
Speaker 3: That's like the only that's like my primary experience. Yes,
Speaker 3: there's a primary metaphor for me is that language and
Speaker 3: the body are the same.
Speaker 4: Okay, so the bonus room and also I believe it's rooms.
Speaker 2: I was walking by, I was on a walk, and
Speaker 2: I was looking at houses, you know, just on my
Speaker 2: walk as I often do, dreaming of the lives within,
Speaker 2: you know, wishing I could do a house tour.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, what would my life be like if I
Speaker 4: lived there?
Speaker 3: You know, That's why I want to asktro project primary
Speaker 3: reason for as for projecting, I want to source the
Speaker 3: homes near me.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, John Early and I actually have to say
Speaker 2: once had an absolutely transcendent experience where I will say
Speaker 2: we were coming down off mushrooms. But they were still
Speaker 2: kind of in us going on a gorgeous walk constantly,
Speaker 2: you know, googling at homes.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, you know. And it happened. We actually were
Speaker 4: able to secure a home tour.
Speaker 2: We were looking at a house, going, your house is gorgeous, Da,
Speaker 2: da da, yelling it out. We asked for a home
Speaker 2: tour and she said yes, and she took us into
Speaker 2: her home and we can a full home tour.
Speaker 1: Shock.
Speaker 2: It was then.
Speaker 4: It was absolutely transcendent.
Speaker 1: Were there any moments where you're like, they've they've nabbed us,
Speaker 1: this is a trick from you.
Speaker 2: No, it was.
Speaker 4: It was heaven, no fear.
Speaker 2: Those two women who had lived together for four hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty two years, and they were amazing their backyard everything.
Speaker 2: I believe John went back for a cocktail weeks later.
Speaker 2: I was out of town and I say believe, but
Speaker 2: I know for a fact that he did. But it
Speaker 2: was no. Home tours are the primary reason to be alive,
Speaker 2: and I want them constantly. Oh but I was thinking,
Speaker 2: I was walking around looking at the homes that I
Speaker 2: was describing. I was like, I don't like houses are
Speaker 2: brought up with little spaces, but I'm like, that's what
Speaker 2: a house is.
Speaker 4: I don't want just the pure open floor plan, do
Speaker 4: I O.
Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna say that's the other thing. I
Speaker 1: love it. Our listed is they all I mean, it's
Speaker 1: like a joke, but they all want to quote open
Speaker 1: concept kitchen. Literally they all do. Okay, every single homeowner
Speaker 1: wants an open concept kitchen. Okay.
Speaker 3: And it's like it's like, let me get. I mean
Speaker 3: it's not even letting let it get. I mean, Chris,
Speaker 3: watch it together. We don't even look at each other.
Speaker 4: I'll save your marriage time. We'll save it.
Speaker 3: They want to keep an eye on the kids while
Speaker 3: they're cooking or whatever. It's just like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's a humiliation. It's a humiliation like they see it
Speaker 3: on the show. They want it for themselves, keeping up
Speaker 3: with the Joneses. It's but so an open concept kitchen,
Speaker 3: to be clear, okay, is when the kitchen kind of
Speaker 3: just flows right into the living room or the family
Speaker 3: room or the whatever. Say, it's not like there's not
Speaker 3: like a little door into the kitchen and now you're.
Speaker 4: In this room regardless, Okay, there is no door.
Speaker 3: The doors Yeah, and and and I mean I live
Speaker 3: in the most unopen concept kitchen situation right now, and
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: I love its kitchen something it won't.
Speaker 4: But they're furiously whipping eggs into a frenzy, like there's something.
Speaker 1: About the privacy of the of the kitchen. They kind
Speaker 1: of well, do you remember the old that.
Speaker 4: The motif of women's in the kitchen was huge for me?
Speaker 1: Wait? What wait?
Speaker 4: What was simultaneous monologs?
Speaker 1: What if?
Speaker 3: What if food was simultaneous talk? Okay, we're both talk
Speaker 3: and are saying our own ideas. They're crossed. And then
Speaker 3: you separately download the individual tracks and it's a three parter,
Speaker 3: including the crosstalk version.
Speaker 1: You know, I love the cross Dog version. That's the
Speaker 1: only one I listened to.
Speaker 4: Cross Talk by name of like a Fox, like news,
Speaker 4: what's crosstalk?
Speaker 3: They're like Tonight at nine, No, no, totally totally across fire,
Speaker 3: cross fire, right, and then Hardball because I remember those
Speaker 3: parody crossballs.
Speaker 4: So so I love satire.
Speaker 3: My favorite thing is I love satirical works. Oh in
Speaker 3: parody parody is a character loves satire and parody.
Speaker 2: You know, people always break in, you know what people
Speaker 2: who always they're bringing up parody law.
Speaker 3: Which is that if it's a parody, it's not copyright
Speaker 3: infringement something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, it's protected by the law.
Speaker 3: So you're like free speech, give me the beat boys
Speaker 3: to free mysel.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're you're parodying that song, and that's God.
Speaker 3: If your if your cover has a rude, if your
Speaker 3: cover of a song has a rude, sarcastic.
Speaker 4: Voice, weird owls.
Speaker 1: Can oh canon of that? Of that principle? Yeah, my god?
Speaker 4: All right, Oh I am My heart is pounding from
Speaker 4: the laughter.
Speaker 1: You know, I just I can't tell you. I feel
Speaker 1: nerves in my stomach knowing you're on offer up.
Speaker 4: It's not a competition.
Speaker 2: Listen, well quite literally, by the way, I sent you
Speaker 2: sight of drawers for those listening.
Speaker 4: Offer up is a by the way, high offer up.
Speaker 4: I guess, I guess there's not even a discount to
Speaker 4: be made.
Speaker 1: They can do nothing for us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they can do nothing.
Speaker 1: Oh no, but I'm gonna have to make sure my
Speaker 1: identity is covered on there. Oh I know.
Speaker 4: I was on it for like three days with my
Speaker 4: full name.
Speaker 1: And by the way, if anyone has any loose trellis
Speaker 1: is they're looking to get rid.
Speaker 2: Of a trellis, and I'm not afraid to ask, as
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be. I had to say that to cover
Speaker 2: up the shame that was radiating through my system.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, like lattice. Okay, trellis like that. Uh,
Speaker 1: the vine can crawl up.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, the lines intersecting with horizontal long My.
Speaker 4: God, guess you need to trail Let the trailis games begin, bitch,
Speaker 4: because I need to.
Speaker 1: Tell so expensive. I need a something I can stick.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's an entire it's an entire thing.
Speaker 2: And ivy creeping across a trellis is one of the
Speaker 2: most poetic indications of time.
Speaker 4: Wow, all right, we'll wrap it up right there, see
Speaker 4: you next week.
Speaker 1: Okay. Unfortunately, Kate, for once, We're not done this.
Speaker 4: Really episode is is chaos is extra chaotic.
Speaker 3: I just want well, you know what though, it is
Speaker 3: it's joy, okay, and I I've never liked you know,
Speaker 3: joy is not something I've generally sought out.
Speaker 4: It's not a crowd.
Speaker 1: A crumb.
Speaker 2: Everyone discovered Mary Oliver during pandemic. I feel like, well,
Speaker 2: I came, I know, I know, I know, I mean,
Speaker 2: she's a great poet.
Speaker 1: No, and the you know, beloved to be beloved creates
Speaker 1: you know, backlash.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, I mean we need I fallen.
Speaker 1: No, But I just I just I feel like there's
Speaker 1: something I really wanted to have.
Speaker 3: Let me just look at my little note for a second.
Speaker 3: Was that say, sorry, oh fluorescent I wrote down? Oh,
Speaker 3: so two words I've been enjoying. It's simply and there's
Speaker 3: a fuck. Wait I heard another one because there's fluorescent light. Oh,
Speaker 3: incandescent light. Okay, are you ready the verb fluoresce? Oh, oh,
Speaker 3: that's a verb I didn't know. Gorge right, and then Candace,
Speaker 3: I think might also be one.
Speaker 1: Oh. And then I had a huge.
Speaker 3: Realization about fifteen years ago that I've been meaning to mention,
Speaker 3: which is, sit around think about the word organization, because
Speaker 3: you are doing a lot of work organizing right now.
Speaker 3: The fact that it's organs whoa okay to organize something?
Speaker 3: Oh I'd never thought okay, is to like, I guess,
Speaker 3: divide into discrete containers. By the way, don't you love
Speaker 3: saying referring to something as discrete its discreet me its own.
Speaker 1: Specific and separate scret longing Yeah, I mean, it's always
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit of word play on. I
Speaker 1: just hated what I was saying so much. I hated
Speaker 1: when I'm saying so much that my only option was
Speaker 1: to scream it.
Speaker 2: Well, guess what I'm gonna do, folks. I don't know
Speaker 2: how to summarize last fi two minutes, but I'm going
Speaker 2: to pure a soup in mere minutes.
Speaker 3: Okay, and I what am I going to be making today? Well,
Speaker 3: I have a big request. Okay, I'll get Okay.
Speaker 1: You know, Paull Meini aka paul Meani AKA hell is
Speaker 1: what are you saying? I'm saying? AKA? Why am I
Speaker 1: doing this?
Speaker 4: I said aka earlier and instantly hated myself.
Speaker 1: AKA. Wait you know what would be huge?
Speaker 3: I mean it wouldn't be be absolutely obnoxious, but if
Speaker 3: I started saying okaya as in otherwise known as I
Speaker 3: was just like oka and they were like, they were
Speaker 3: like it's ak and I'm like yeah, also known as
Speaker 3: would be AKA very otherwise known as owka. All right,
Speaker 3: all right, alright, alright, right, I'm just I'm soaring. I'm
Speaker 3: excited to see you. I've been taking bite me shot
Speaker 3: what that someone sent us bite me Apple Cider vinegar
Speaker 3: shop every day before I eat to re acid by
Speaker 3: the gut microbiome.
Speaker 4: Amazing fridge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's I'm letting a little sugar in because
Speaker 3: there's honey in it. Because I read you know, about
Speaker 3: the benefits of honey. I finally might come around to like,
Speaker 3: you know, a very very localized honey.
Speaker 1: Discreete.
Speaker 4: You need honey within twenty mile radius of your home.
Speaker 4: Oh well, that's what they say.
Speaker 1: We have to wrap up. But this is the concept
Speaker 1: that post comes on and the bees that are the
Speaker 1: pollen that you live.
Speaker 4: I'm making it up that it's twenty miles.
Speaker 2: But the idea is that you ingest the bee pollen
Speaker 2: that is localized to where you live, and that that
Speaker 2: will help with allergies and whatnot.
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, I used to ingest a lot of bee
Speaker 4: pollen a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: It's really long stuff because they sold it at my
Speaker 2: local farmer's market. And I loved the poetry of a
Speaker 2: spoonful of bee pollen and I'm scared of bees.
Speaker 3: And I felt like somehow I was, you know, you
Speaker 3: were taking it into taking it into yourself like a
Speaker 3: Youngian thing. If you see that, if you see it
Speaker 3: in the dream, you must eat the bee and then
Speaker 3: the bee will turn into.
Speaker 1: A flower or whatever. All right, my god, you remember
Speaker 1: your dream. You remember your dream. We're trying to wrap up.
Speaker 4: He's coming up. In my dream. It was all about
Speaker 4: kissing a bee. What I just said that I was
Speaker 4: having I know I was having this image. I was
Speaker 4: having this image last night of like kissing a bee
Speaker 4: as softly as I could. This is huge. I have
Speaker 4: to write down on my dream.
Speaker 3: I can't believe you're saying that, because well, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: it would launch into some primary treams.
Speaker 4: Like steel the bee's wings on my lips. It was huge. Okay,
Speaker 4: love the podcast.
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