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Speaker 1: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: It's Monday, the twenty fifth of September here in London.

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Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg Day Recurate podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Caroline Hepkin.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today, the EU's top

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Speaker 3: trade negotiator, warrens China it will be more assertive.

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Speaker 2: Anga grows as Rishi Sunat considers scrapping part of HS.

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Speaker 3: Two, And why Europe's unity on sending weapons to Ukraine

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Speaker 3: may be in for another big test.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with a found up of our top stories.

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Speaker 3: The European Union's chief trade negotiator is Warren China that

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Speaker 3: the EU will be more forceful and upholding fair competition

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Speaker 3: and defending its interests. Valdas Dombrovskis says the lack of

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Speaker 3: a level playing field and wider geopolitical shifts have forced

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Speaker 3: the BLOCK to become more assertive.

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Speaker 4: Broadening access to China's market for foreign companies and maintaining

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Speaker 4: a stable business environment is necessary to ensure fair and

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Speaker 4: mutually beneficient trade relationships.

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Speaker 3: Don Brovski has made the comments on a trip to China,

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Speaker 3: where he's meeting officials including Vice Premier Hurley Fang. The

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Speaker 3: visit comes just days after the European Commission announced an

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Speaker 3: anti subsidy investigation into Chinese electric vehicles.

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Speaker 2: Europe's main auto lobby group is urging policymakers to delay

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Speaker 2: post Brexit tariffs on electric vehicles. From next year, eves

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Speaker 2: traded between the UK and the EU will attract a

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Speaker 2: ten percent tariff if less than forty five percent of

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Speaker 2: their value comes from the block. The European Automobile Manufacturers

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Speaker 2: Association wants the EU Commission to push back the charge.

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Speaker 2: Failure to do so could reduce production by close to

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Speaker 2: half a million cars over three years.

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Speaker 3: Bloomberg goodistounds that Italian banks will be able to avoid

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Speaker 3: paying a controversial windfall tax introduced last month if they

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Speaker 3: set aside additional capital reserves. The proposed amendment also changes

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Speaker 3: the basis for calculating the levee to a percentage of

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Speaker 3: the lender's risk weighted assets on an individual basis, instead

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Speaker 3: of their total assets. The new draft represents a compromise

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Speaker 3: by Jo Maloni's government following a slump in Italian bank

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Speaker 3: stocks and criticism from the ECB since the measure was

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Speaker 3: first announced in August.

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Speaker 2: Former Conservative Prime Minister's business and university leaders are warning

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Speaker 2: Rishi Sunac against derailing HS two, the one hundred billion

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Speaker 2: pound rail project. Cabinet Minister Grant Shapp says that it

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Speaker 2: would be irresponsible to plow money into the infrastructure scheme

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Speaker 2: as costs saw.

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Speaker 5: We saw not just with HS two, but with our

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Speaker 5: pace of change with net zero. That just because the

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Speaker 5: media says this must be done, just because some people

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Speaker 5: will say, you know, these are the popular things to do,

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Speaker 5: He's prepared to do difficult things.

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Speaker 2: Shapps's refusal to deny the plans added to speculation that

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Speaker 2: the government would ditch its own flagship infrastructure project. It

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Speaker 2: comes as Prime Minister as she Sunac seeks to radically

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Speaker 2: research his premiership as his popularity polls at an all

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Speaker 2: time low.

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Speaker 3: In the United States, Republican hirdliner Matt Gates says he's

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Speaker 3: ready to shut down the US government over budget took.

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Speaker 3: The party are at odds internally on a government funding plan.

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Speaker 3: In the House of Representatives, Representative Garrett Graves, as Gates

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Speaker 3: has pushed to tie border policies into funding is counterproductive.

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Speaker 6: If you want to empower Senator Schumer, if you want

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Speaker 6: to empower Joe Biden, then what you do is you

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Speaker 6: let government shut down. You don't pursue a continue resolution,

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Speaker 6: you don't pass the appropriations bills. That is the liberal solution.

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Speaker 3: Graves is an ally of the Republican Leader of the House,

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Speaker 3: Kevin McCarthy, who struggle to control his party that holds

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Speaker 3: a single digit majority in the lower House. McCarthy has

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Speaker 3: until the end of the week to find a solution

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Speaker 3: or the government will have no funding.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Hollywood studios and screenwriters have reached a tentative deal

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Speaker 2: to end a month's long strike. The Writers Guild of America,

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Speaker 2: which represents Hollywood movie and TV script writers, walked out

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Speaker 2: in May over pay and protections from the use of

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Speaker 2: artificial intelligence. The industry has been at a virtual standstill

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Speaker 2: in recent months, with actors also on strikes since July

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Speaker 2: citing many of the same demands.

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Speaker 3: A NASA capsule containing chunks of an asteroid that may

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Speaker 3: hold clues to the development of our solar system has

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Speaker 3: landed in the Utah Desert after a seven year space mission.

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Speaker 3: The Osiris REX mission was launched in twenty sixteen and

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Speaker 3: scooped up a large sample of rocks from a near

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Speaker 3: Earth asteroid. Three years ago, cosmochemist doctor Natalie Starky says

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Speaker 3: it marks the first mission of its kind.

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Speaker 7: We don't have any other samples that can tell us

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Speaker 7: They're pristine because they haven't been through atmosphere entry. They're

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Speaker 7: going to be looked after in this capsule that's come

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Speaker 7: back from the spacecraft, and they're just the perfect samples

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Speaker 7: that we could hope for.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Natalie Starky and others believe the rocks could also

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Speaker 3: help inform future missions to asteroids. The samples have been

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Speaker 3: taken to NASA's Johnson's Space Center and could be opened tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Carl and Alexi user systems.

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Speaker 1: I must have been, I am. Yeah, so we've got

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Speaker 1: at least two in the house.

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Speaker 3: I don't consider myself a luddie, but it's one of

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Speaker 3: the things, one of the technologies that I have not adapted.

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Speaker 3: I don't use voice assistance anyway.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't know whether it's paranoia over what it's being

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Speaker 3: listened to, or that I just don't see a use

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Speaker 1: No, I can understand that. No, and I do.

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Speaker 2: And I also see really, given the leaps in artificial intelligence,

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Speaker 2: why Bloomberg opiniconmist Dave Lee has written a story about

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Speaker 2: what the point of Alexa actually is. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: must admit I use it for very basic things like

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Speaker 2: a timer. And Dave Lee is talking to the boss

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Speaker 2: of Amazon's Alexa unit about actually what more this device

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Speaker 2: is meant to deliver. I thought it was interesting that

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Speaker 2: talking about maybe it becoming a subscription service.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So Dave Limp is actually leaving Amazon at

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Speaker 3: the end of the year. So this is sort of

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Speaker 3: an interview about where the technology is going next. Very

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Speaker 3: much worth reading from our Bloomberg opinion columns. Davely this morning.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's turn our attention then to the big picture.

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Speaker 2: To the eused chief Trade Negotiation says that the Block

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Speaker 2: will become more assertive when it comes to trade with China.

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Speaker 2: Veldus Dobrovskis says that China's lack of reciprocity means that

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Speaker 2: the twenty seven nation Block wants to reset the relationship. This,

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Speaker 2: of course after the EU launched an anti subsidy probe

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Speaker 2: into Chinese electric vehicles. Joining US now to discuss this,

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Speaker 2: but in both China and government Editor Jill de Sis

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Jill Dombroskis is in China. Then for these

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Speaker 2: high level trade negotiations and talks, including with the Vice

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Speaker 2: Premier who her live Fung, the EU is clearly concerned

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Speaker 2: about trade with China.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Carolin, Yes, I think that's very easy to say that.

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Speaker 10: I mean, look, this is an incredibly important trading relationship.

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Speaker 10: I think the EU is a block is one of

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Speaker 10: the largest trading partners for China. This is a relationship

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Speaker 10: that involves some nine hundred billion dollars more in bilateral commerce.

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Speaker 10: So yes, I think there's there's quite a lot of

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Speaker 10: the last couple of years. The China is exporting more

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Speaker 10: concern within the EU just kind of about how the

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Speaker 10: what we saw spill over into for example, this whole

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Speaker 10: Chinese EV probe here. I think that that's you know,

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Speaker 10: and then what that actually means for a lot of

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Speaker 10: kind of the backdrop to Brovkas visiting China over the

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Speaker 3: What sort of sense do we have of their reception

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Speaker 3: these remarks might get given what China has said previously

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Speaker 10: Yes, well, I think that at this point, you know,

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Speaker 10: this idea of them taking a stance, and we haven't

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Speaker 10: actually had official reaction to this most recent speech Dombrovskis

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Speaker 10: gave this morning. This was a speech, according to prepared remarks,

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Speaker 10: know that he's been meeting a lot with Chinese officials

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Speaker 10: very careful and considered relationship. I'm sure we'll get something

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Speaker 10: more public out of China right now. But yes, they

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Speaker 10: have not been happy about that EV probe. There's a

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Speaker 10: lot of sense within China that this is sort of

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Speaker 10: But yes, you can you can see just from those

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Speaker 10: how how charged this really has become.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so, then what about the next step, the

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Speaker 10: I think that we're still waiting to see what form

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Speaker 10: I will say that what's happening right now, and so

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Speaker 10: the entire reason why Broskis is currently in China is

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Speaker 10: it's part of this this high level economic and trade dialogue. So,

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Speaker 10: I mean, this is one of the most important EU

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Speaker 10: there's a certain element of this that of course is

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Speaker 10: having some of these closed door meetings with really really

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Speaker 10: high level officials kind of indicates that there is still

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Speaker 10: a desire to figure out this relationship, what things ultimately

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Speaker 10: of years, we've moved away from really strong language on decoupling,

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Speaker 10: for example, to now de risking and sort of working

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Speaker 10: through this relationship. So sure, I think that once we

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Speaker 10: what there's even higher level meetings between Banderly and she

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jill Lisas, our China Government editor, thank you very

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Speaker 3: much for joining us with the latest on that story.

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Speaker 3: As Valderston Broxfast continues his visit to China.

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Speaker 2: Now we want to bring you a story from Slovakia next.

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Speaker 2: The former Prime Minister Robert Fico could seal an unlikely

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Speaker 2: comeback in elections this weekend, but he wants to end

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Speaker 2: military aid to Ukraine, which could further test European unity

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Speaker 2: on the issue. Our Eastern Europe Economy editor, Andrea Juditch

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Speaker 2: is joining us now for more on this. Good morning, Andrea,

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Speaker 2: thanks for your time. What does the victory potentially mean

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Speaker 2: then for Europe's political landscape?

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Speaker 8: Good morning.

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Speaker 9: His possible victory will be a huge test for Europe

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Speaker 9: and exter United State, for Ukraine and against Russia when

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Speaker 9: it comes to sanctions and weapons deliveries.

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Speaker 3: How could a return to power change the broader stance

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Speaker 3: that Europe has towards Ukraine and overall help for the.

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Speaker 9: Robert Fitzal has many times said that when he takes power,

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Speaker 9: he will stop all deliveries of weapons to Ukraine from Slovakia,

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Speaker 9: which is a NATO and EU member. He also said

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Speaker 9: that sanctions in Russia are meaningless and useless, and they

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Speaker 2: Who's his main ally main allies within the European Union?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you mentioned Hungary is a key ally, but

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Speaker 8: During his previous terms, he was a very pro Western.

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Speaker 3: Fight and Jet tell us a bit more about Robert Fico.

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Speaker 3: He's someone that has been around on the political scene

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Speaker 8: Yes, he has been in power for the last time.

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Speaker 9: He was ousted several years ago and since then he

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Speaker 8: Much anti against everything.

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Speaker 9: He was very vocal about the coronavirus, how people should

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Speaker 9: to dealing with Russia. He also has seen his popularity

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Speaker 8: But because he has been able to.

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Speaker 9: Embrace this anti stance and everything he has really written.

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Speaker 8: In pouls in the country that is very pro Russian.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, five and a half million people in the country.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that he's going to embrace the far

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Speaker 9: Really depends on the election result and how many parties

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Speaker 8: Party which mirrors the party of.

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Speaker 9: Robert Fitzal and possibly he could embrace the Farid in

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Speaker 9: the ruling coalition. The Firerid in Slovakia has very extreme

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Speaker 3: Who are his opposition in the selection. What are their

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Speaker 8: Well, it's mainly there's.

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Speaker 9: The Progressive Party which is second in polls and the

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Speaker 8: And forth Ukraine. What we just need to see.

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Speaker 9: Whether that party will be able to mobilize more voters.

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Speaker 9: Whoever wins the election is the first party that gets

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