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Speaker 1: never told you a plecture of iHeartRadio and continuing our

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Speaker 1: I wanted to bring back one we did that had

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Speaker 1: been a request about kind of how we never see

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Speaker 1: And again, this is just something in my mind. Is

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Speaker 1: I personally am getting flooded? I bet a lot of

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Speaker 2: Better you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, by the way, we need to come and revisit it,

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Speaker 3: because there's this conversation about the fact that we were

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Speaker 3: we do need to come back to revisit that.

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Speaker 4: We talked about it a little before, Yeah, about those

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Speaker 4: dangerous practices, but now they're talking about this new standard

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Speaker 4: being able to be met because of this miracle now

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Speaker 4: very expensive and very unavailable drug that is for diabetes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's going to be a very We're going

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Speaker 1: to have to really research that one, because they're you know, reasons,

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Speaker 1: people legitimate reasons people.

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Speaker 3: Legitimate absolutely and for those who can just afford it, for.

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Speaker 2: Those who can afford it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but I did, I mean, and I know that

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Speaker 1: it jump started a whole other conversation about other companies

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Speaker 1: that is something we will have to to return to.

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Speaker 1: But in the meantime, please enjoy this classic episode. Hey,

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Speaker 1: this Sanny and Samantha and welcome to STEPHFO. Never told

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Speaker 1: your protection of iHeartRadio's house.

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Speaker 2: Stuff works.

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Speaker 1: So today we'd come to you from back from a break,

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Speaker 1: a brief break.

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Speaker 2: I guess we had a break. Well, it feels like

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Speaker 2: we didn't really celebrate. Oh is that what that was? Yes,

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Speaker 2: the running early in the morning does not make it

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 1: I actually started doing that to get out of family application.

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Speaker 2: You know what I did that for Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I did a half marathon just so I could

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Speaker 1: I have considered it. Yes, and I love Thanksgiving. I

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Speaker 5: Well, I liked it more when my mom, unfortunately, it

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Speaker 2: Really someone made me turkey, so I mean good for

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, all that I really wanted

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Speaker 1: I don't make note of this. I won't make note

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm dying, but you are bravely here.

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Speaker 5: I pretty much diagnosed myself with everything through a web

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Speaker 5: You're like, oh, you're all older than thirty five. That

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Speaker 1: But today we are talking about quote unquote normal normal, Yes,

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Speaker 5: Right right. I think we had a few conversations about

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Speaker 1: But it's just we're told so much as women that

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Speaker 2: Exactly because we.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in a wonderful world, we would be comfortable

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Speaker 5: And as we had been told previously on different on

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Speaker 5: And to those influencers such as mothers and caretakers and

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Speaker 1: But we don't want our insecurities to sound like we

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Speaker 5: And also just to verify that normal to one person

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Speaker 1: I think that normal can be and has been used

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Speaker 2: A way to get people to conform.

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Speaker 1: If we all think a normal woman is a size

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Speaker 5: And I would say that normal extends to be about

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Speaker 2: What does society see as normal?

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Speaker 5: And normal has become a little more higher standards as

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Speaker 1: Right, because I think in some ways we've tied normal

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Speaker 1: But there's a lot of stuff tied into this word, right.

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Speaker 2: And that's not to say your body isn't normal. I

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Speaker 5: I don't know what is going on, this is not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll get into this more. But basically, no,

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Speaker 1: a lot of fashion is ignoring the majority of women.

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Speaker 1: So while there might be stuff available, it might not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like you said, we don't really see this body

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Speaker 2: Rocksome things, yeah with that booty get it.

445
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have one of those, and I love it.

446
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 1: But I have so many friends who've tried it because

447
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: they know I have it, and they're like, oh gosh,

448
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: let me test it out, and they can't, like have

449
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 1: a hard time finding something that fits right.

450
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 2: Not only that, but also the cost of it.

451
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and for some reason, as you had said earlier,

452
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 5: and we've had episodes before, the fact that they charge

453
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 5: you more even though the actual labor doesn't cost that

454
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 5: much more.

455
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the fabric doesn't cost that much more, which

456
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 1: is what I had assumed must be the reasoning, But

457
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: from what I read it, it really doesn't. And some

458
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: take issue with the use of plus size, right, since

459
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: so many of us fall in that fourteen to sixteen range,

460
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: which is would be called plus size, and that is

461
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: the average as it were. And some think it's insulting

462
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: or demoralized.

463
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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, it has its own section, right, I mean

464
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 5: when you go into different department stores or even its

465
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Speaker 5: own store.

466
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Speaker 2: Why would is.

467
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 5: There a need to segregate in shopping? That seems so unnecessary?

468
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 5: In general, it's already already buy sizes everywhere anyway, so

469
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 5: add another step?

470
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 2: Come on?

471
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I read people just say, like seeing

472
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Speaker 1: that big sign and knowing where you.

473
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Speaker 5: Have to go, right, And then I love it because

474
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 5: it's also oftentimes next to the maternity sizes. Come on,

475
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,239
Speaker 5: come on, who's gonna buy clothes not buying that.

476
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Speaker 1: I had a really bad experience when I was younger

477
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: where somebody a relative mind told me I should shop

478
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Speaker 1: in the maternity ord and it really loved the mark.

479
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Speaker 2: I can see why you don't want to go home

480
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: on things going I getn't now usually not invited to,

481
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Speaker 2: I think.

482
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: But in an op ed piece from twenty seventeen, Tim

483
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Speaker 1: Gunn wrote, it's a puzzling conundrum the average American woman

484
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Speaker 1: now wears between a size sixteen and a size eighteen.

485
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Speaker 1: According to new research from Washington State University. There are

486
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: one hundred million plus size women in America, but many designers,

487
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: dripping with disdain lacking imagination, are simply too cowardly to

488
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: take a risk still refuse to make clothes for them.

489
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and as you said, it can be noted ten

490
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 5: years ago the plus size range used to be twelve

491
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 5: to eighteen, and now it spans from six to fourteen.

492
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 5: So six is now can be included in a lot

493
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Speaker 5: of plus size ideas. And add to that again, statistically,

494
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Speaker 5: about half the American female where the size fourteen or

495
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 5: more as you were talking. So now to add more shame,

496
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 5: we're looking beyond the plus size or a big chunk

497
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Speaker 5: of our population. So we've added more and more of

498
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 5: the smaller sizes to that plus size range, but also

499
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 5: shrinked it made it smaller. Yes, just find a new

500
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 5: word to down to fourteen and that's not even within

501
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 5: that same average we talked about being fourteen to eighteen

502
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Speaker 5: as the new plus size and having half that population

503
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Speaker 5: be in that category.

504
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: What is that absurdity that.

505
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Speaker 5: Even though we're becoming more and more aware, is still

506
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 5: more and more ostracizing than it was ten years ago.

507
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't really make sense. And and something

508
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: else that confused me. It puzzled me when I read it.

509
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: The women's clothing market is worth about one hundred and

510
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: ten billion dollars, and yet plus sized clothing only accounts

511
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Speaker 1: for sixteen percent of that, even though half, like you said,

512
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: like the average woman is size sixteen.

513
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't mathematically right.

514
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 5: I mean, and that's becoming a norm as we're talking

515
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 5: about normalized ideas. Why aren't we Why isn't our environment

516
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 5: changing with that? Like it's seemingly accepting it more it is.

517
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 5: But okay, let's say it's easier to celebrate that, but

518
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 5: not necessarily. We don't see society, society moving without the

519
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 5: industry moving with that. Yeah, unless you're Nike, which, hey,

520
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 5: good job Nike.

521
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 2: You know I'm talking about right, Uh.

522
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 5: That the sports pros know the whole whole athletic gear up,

523
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 5: and they're they're starting to promote more and more plus

524
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 5: size or average sise.

525
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: Now we can say people in there.

526
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 5: And there's been this huge controversy back and forth with

527
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 5: the fat shaming about why is Nike public, you know,

528
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 5: celebrating this, publishing this, and everybody's like, wait, what if

529
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 5: they're trying to if people are plus size who you

530
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 5: think are bigger and they're doing more and more exercise,

531
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 5: but why is that a bad thing?

532
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, that's the whole People are so judgmental when

533
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: it comes to eads.

534
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 5: And you know what, for me, when I exercise, if

535
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 5: I have Q clothes on, it motivates me more. Having

536
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 5: the right gear to do that type of exercise, I'm

537
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,239
Speaker 5: more motivated to do it.

538
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just like that comfort of it.

539
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: If you're uncomfortable because something doesn't fit you, well, I.

540
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 2: Will say yeah.

541
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 5: For the longest time, I would not exercise because I

542
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 5: was scared of being seen at a gym doing something.

543
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

544
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was the same way, and I know most

545
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: of my female friends were the same way. Because you

546
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: feel like you're being judged, right, and you probably.

547
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: Are and you probably are no matter what.

548
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: And so you want something that you feel good in,

549
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: like a armor, right, so you can shrug that all right,

550
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: screw you haters. The official or screw you haters of

551
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: twenty five major brands examined with a total of fifteen

552
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: five hundred brands. Within those so like twenty five major

553
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Speaker 1: clothing lines five hundred brands, only two point three percent

554
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: of the clothing was plus size.

555
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah.

556
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: In an article from Fast Company, Alexandra Waldman of Women's

557
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: Where Daily said, if we are still talking about a

558
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: plus sized market ten years from now, we have failed.

559
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: And from what I read, there are no clothes are

560
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: very very little clothes designed specifically for the average sized woman.

561
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: There are plus sized clothes, and then clothes designed with

562
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Speaker 1: skinny women mind that are then scaled up. And so

563
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: that means the waste of breast ratio and the waste

564
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: to hip ratio don't change. They are sized up, but

565
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: they do in like the human mind. Right, and those

566
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: that are appropriately sized up are more expensive.

567
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 5: Right.

568
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: Women's Wear Daily calls sizes ten to sixteen the black hole.

569
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: Too thin for plus size, too big for regular.

570
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 5: Right. If you think about the whole modeling industry, Top Model.

571
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 5: I used to watch that way back when, and that

572
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 5: was a lot of the conversation. Like one of the

573
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 5: big things is if you came in this plus size, great,

574
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 5: but if you started losing weight, they started criticizing you.

575
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 5: Left and right. I remember watching a couple of miles.

576
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 5: They were like, either you need to lose another fifty

577
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 5: pounds or you need to keep that extra ten to

578
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 5: fifteen pounds that you're losing, and it was shaving them

579
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 5: in front of a panel, like you're not fat enough

580
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 5: again once again, and you're being too normal and no

581
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 5: one wants to see normal.

582
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: Oh that gives me anxiety right right.

583
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 5: And just watching that, you're like, what is happening and

584
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 5: then then being accepted as that's okay. Yeah to say that,

585
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 5: and people accepted it, and I was like, this is

586
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 5: a competition and you're like, wait, but why how does

587
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 5: this make sense?

588
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: Right? Man? That hurt my heart.

589
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: I know right when it comes to formal clothes, finding

590
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: something that fits and looks well is an issue onto itself.

591
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: I read a lot of that. God yeah, prom dress

592
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: shopping was such a nightmare.

593
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 5: Bridesmaid shopping, Oh yeah, I've been. I will say I've

594
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 5: been in like ten to fifteen weddings.

595
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,239
Speaker 2: Uh huh. It's really bad. Too many friends, too well.

596
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 5: I think they like to torture me because I've refused.

597
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 5: Since then, I'm like, I will not be a bridesmaid

598
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 5: don't ask me if you want me to be friends

599
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 5: with you. Don't ask me again, I wasn't gonna be

600
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 5: really fun, and I get to be really, really really

601
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 5: in a fun place and I don't have to wear

602
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 5: anything constricting or spend lots of money. Yeah, then maybe

603
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 5: because I spent a lot of money in my early

604
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 5: after college years. Yes, anyway, But if you look at

605
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 5: all of that, I remember going being compared to because

606
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 5: I would say, I'm five four and I'm definitely on

607
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 5: the thicker side, and I've always been on the thicker side.

608
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 5: I'm on the girl with the thighs. As I said,

609
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 5: yes all day, but like watching being in the same

610
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 5: room with a person who was a size two or

611
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 5: three and having to try the same dress on as

612
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 5: though that is.

613
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Speaker 2: One of the most demoralizing moment, and everybody's like it

614
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: looks so nice, Oh my gosh, and you.

615
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 5: Know, they're like, you're getting your headlight, you're lying to me,

616
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 5: You're making me look like I'm in a potato sack,

617
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 5: and I hate you. But that's the thing, I mean,

618
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 5: even with all of that, in comparison to when you

619
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 5: look at everyone else and you're standing next to everyone else,

620
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 5: in the same damn dress.

621
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. I hadn't thought about that,

622
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: because of course it's not gonna fit everyone the same same.

623
00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: That's a good point. It's ugly. I don't like you.

624
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: You the vague you out there. It might invite her

625
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: to a brism thing. Uh.

626
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: And then there's the problem of a sinched waste, which

627
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: most clothes cinch where the natural waste is, which is

628
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: typically determined by where that would fall on a skinny person.

629
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: And when you are not a skinny person, this can

630
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: lead to some very unflattering and ill flitting clothes. And

631
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: I will say, for me, very difficult to zip as

632
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: a single lady.

633
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 5: The single lady's of a dress.

634
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: I told you about the Amazon thing.

635
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: I put it on my birthday wish the Amazon gadget

636
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: that helps you zip your own dress.

637
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 5: And also there's one thing about clipping your bracelet or

638
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 5: your jewelry.

639
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I did, I did. I saw that when

640
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: I was it came up as like customers.

641
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 5: Also, hey, look, thanks technology for allowing me to be single, for.

642
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: Allowing me to do more than I ever thought possible.

643
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: And then this is something I've heard from a lot

644
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: of my my friends, the bikini are not a bikini

645
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: problem when it comes to swimwear. And they told me

646
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: if you wear one piece that they feel like people

647
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: assume it's because you're self conscious, which you might be,

648
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: but you also might prefer the comfort and not having

649
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: to worry about your breasts, which might be on the

650
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: bigger side spilling out. And I have had one my

651
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: band bus at not one, but two amusement parks on

652
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: a bikini, so I understand the word.

653
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh gosh, it was not good.

654
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: One of them got sucked in like it was a

655
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: water slide and right at the bottom of the top

656
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: cuts sucked.

657
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 5: The god what that is literally like a nerd comedy

658
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 5: from the nineteen age, or they actually do that on

659
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 5: purpose with the hot girls. Oh, but it's pretty much disgusting.

660
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: Like I'm sure trying to do that essentially, I mean, yeah,

661
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: they're trying to do that.

662
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: And yeah, this whole this isn't even mentioning the difficulty

663
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Speaker 1: of finding something that fits, or if you go the

664
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Speaker 1: bikini route, two pieces that fit, especially when those pieces

665
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Speaker 1: are sold together as one set.

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Speaker 2: In your body might not work.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I do appreciate the new mix and match idea

668
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Speaker 5: that has been fantastic, and with that we can actually

669
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Speaker 5: add this stigma of wearing too much on the beach

670
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Speaker 5: if you start thinking about the barkup bathing suit or

671
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Speaker 5: the Borkhini. Haita Zaniti was credited with inventing the bikini

672
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Speaker 5: in two thousand and four and was featured this year

673
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Speaker 5: on Sports Illustrated with a lot of criticism and backlash

674
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Speaker 5: and even with banned by many public areas, which is

675
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Speaker 5: so absurd and we already know there's been so many.

676
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Speaker 2: Videos, YouTube videos and.

677
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Speaker 5: Facebook videos of people being scrutinized and criticized and even

678
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Speaker 5: shamed off a beach for having this on. It's kind

679
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Speaker 5: of like, what is this absurdity to the Islamic culture?

680
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Speaker 5: This is normal, It's not a bad thing. How can

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Speaker 5: it be too little or too much?

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Speaker 2: What is wrong with you? We cannot twin cannot In.

683
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Speaker 1: Modeling, women in the invisible eight to twelve size range

684
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Speaker 1: are called ultra and female consumers in that range are

685
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Speaker 1: called rat queens because they are just expected to buy

686
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: clothes even though they rarely see their size represented in

687
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Speaker 1: fashion shows or marketing materials, and a good portion of

688
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Speaker 1: design schools don't even have mannequins outside of sample sizes

689
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Speaker 1: for their students to learn to design.

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Speaker 2: Four So not a lot of that is great, but

691
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Speaker 2: we do have some more for you.

692
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Speaker 1: But first we have one more quick break for word

693
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Speaker 1: from our sponsors.

694
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Speaker 2: And we're back.

695
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor. And so one of the things we

696
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Speaker 1: want to touch on is this is kind of hard

697
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Speaker 1: to talk about without offending people.

698
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 5: Are Yeah, we're going to make some people, and it's

699
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 5: going to be all about the fact that we're not

700
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 5: necessarily giving an opinion. But as much as like these

701
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 5: are some of the conversations that are.

702
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Speaker 2: Had and it's it's too.

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Speaker 5: All it's twenty nineteen, at least of the fact that

704
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 5: we have to be honest about the fact that it

705
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 5: is a conversation and it affects us on a daily

706
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Speaker 5: light a basis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And like we mentioned earlier, a lot of people

709
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: do feel that there's some morality or that they can

710
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: judge people right around weight.

711
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 2: Right, and it goes both ways.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think one of the things that we

713
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 5: want to talk about was also about the BMI, which

714
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 5: is the body mass index and which has been used

715
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 5: a little more than just your typical weight skilled type

716
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Speaker 5: of thing. But as we were researching in and as

717
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 5: many people already know, the idea of the simple BMI

718
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 5: is nice enough, but actually just a quick assessment and

719
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Speaker 5: it doesn't tell the whole story, as it doesn't look

720
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Speaker 5: at the whole picture, such as fat versus muscle. For example,

721
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 5: elderly may show a normal BMI, but because the lack

722
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 5: of body muscle or body mass, it actually is an

723
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Speaker 5: inaccurate assessment in comparison to what's going on with our body.

724
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Speaker 5: A lot of factors outside of the simple numbers should

725
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Speaker 5: also be noted, such as body type or age, and

726
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Speaker 5: even ethnicity can come into play when you come to

727
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Speaker 5: the research. I mean, as an Asian person, apparently I

728
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 5: may have a little more longevity than a white person.

729
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Speaker 5: You don't say, But again, this is a lot of

730
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Speaker 5: assumptions and factors and just the generalization and overall and statistics.

731
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Speaker 5: So once it can when we come talk about statistics,

732
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Speaker 5: it doesn't always come obviously to the individual person, so

733
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Speaker 5: that should be noted as well. And according to the researchers,

734
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Speaker 5: people who are a bit overweight have higher survival rates.

735
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna lift forever, just say so, even research can't

736
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Speaker 5: really pinpoint what normal is without measurements, without all the

737
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 5: different factors for the individual person. So remember that if

738
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 5: you're going because I know people who go work out,

739
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 5: have personal trainers, do all this be andi things. Even

740
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Speaker 5: though they may have training and certifications, they don't necessarily

741
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Speaker 5: know what is best in your body.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bobby's bodies are complicated. They're a lot are very,

743
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: very very complicated.

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00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we wanted to touch on something that I

745
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: think we both struggled with, probably a lot of us

746
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: have struggled with. Is the difficulty around congratulating someone for

747
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: losing weight, right, because well, I mean, for one thing,

748
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Speaker 1: you might not be sure why they lost the weight, right,

749
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: It could have been it could be an illness or something.

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Speaker 2: So there's that.

751
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Speaker 1: But it comes up a lot for us because we

752
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Speaker 1: get asked for sponsorships around nutrition and exercise, and typical

753
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: language us around women doing that is basically losing weight. Right.

754
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Speaker 5: It's so tricky to have a conversation about body without

755
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 5: the double edged sort of being encouraging as well as damaging. Yeah,

756
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Speaker 5: And I think for me, I have played the weight

757
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Speaker 5: game all of my life.

758
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Speaker 2: I've been in a lot of hard work of.

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Speaker 5: Exercising and being overly conscious of food choices and losing

760
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Speaker 5: weight and feeling proud of that. But I'm also the

761
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Speaker 5: one to quickly gain it back and feel the shame

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Speaker 5: of trying to cover it up and not notice the

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Speaker 5: faces of people who've been previously complimenting me to the

764
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Speaker 5: obvious change in conversation, and I will say, when I

765
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Speaker 5: had a very massive weight loss was due to my

766
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Speaker 5: depression and anxiety and medication. And right now there are

767
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Speaker 5: things happening with that body. I'm starting to think maybe

768
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Speaker 5: there's thyroid issues or whatever that I'm like, I'm getting

769
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Speaker 5: concerned because it's so abnormal. But this is the last

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Speaker 5: few years I've shown a lot of like fluctuation for me,

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Speaker 5: So there's this whole shame factor as well as feeling

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Speaker 5: encouraged because I do work hard.

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Speaker 2: To maintain Now.

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Speaker 5: When I was a lot younger, I was a lot heavier,

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Speaker 5: and I also worked in a really high stress filled

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Speaker 5: so that alone added even more.

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Speaker 2: And we know that stress can is stressed and lack

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Speaker 2: of sleep.

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Speaker 5: All of that does add to weight fluctuation as well

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Speaker 5: as health problems.

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Speaker 2: Just in general health problems.

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Speaker 5: But there's so many things to this that I've had

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Speaker 5: friends who have worked really, really hard to become healthier

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Speaker 5: because they were either prebout.

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Speaker 2: Diabetic or at heart issues.

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Speaker 5: As we're talking about, that included changing their body type

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Speaker 5: and also their confidence. So at the same time, for

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Speaker 5: those who I know really well, they ask to be

789
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Speaker 5: encouraged to continue that. Again, we talk about the fact

790
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Speaker 5: that it is a fine line and also it's none

791
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Speaker 5: of your damn business what their body looks like.

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Speaker 2: That's the other part.

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Speaker 5: How do you get back the old trope of this

794
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Speaker 5: is what you should look like, so we should complement

795
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Speaker 5: to encourage versus just leave it be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, if someone feels like things

798
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Speaker 5: such as eating programs may be helpful, how are we

799
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 5: to say not to do that?

800
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Speaker 2: Yeah? But again tricky.

801
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Speaker 5: It is tricky because it's the autonomy of individual bodies. Yeah,

802
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 5: and that's what we fight for. Right, But how do

803
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 5: we also encourage health.

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00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we want to celebrate all body types and

805
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: promote body positivity. We want to support folks who want

806
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Speaker 1: to build healthy habits, who want to be healthier for themselves.

807
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 5: Right.

808
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Speaker 2: And there can be attention there because.

809
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Speaker 1: There are genetics involved, there are societal pressures involved. There's

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Speaker 1: billions of dollars in the diet and fitness industry involved,

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Speaker 1: so it's hard. And I can say personally for me,

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Speaker 1: I have a friend who has lost a lot of weight,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think she's done it healthily right, And

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00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 1: it's just hard because we're so programmed to think thinner

815
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Speaker 1: is better, you've done a good job right, and not

816
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: healthier is better, And so I don't know. I'm having

817
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: a really hard time handling what I should say to her.

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Speaker 5: And had You and I have had so many conversations

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Speaker 5: about how we want to represent ourselves and be transparent

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Speaker 5: as well as maintain balance, and I think it's difficult

821
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Speaker 5: because we're all learning to love who we are and

822
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Speaker 5: how we are. At the same time, we want to

823
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Speaker 5: make sure we have a balance between that and honesty.

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Speaker 5: And for me, sometimes loving myself does not necessarily include

825
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 5: food yeah related things and or exercised related things, like

826
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 5: I know that there's something wrong with me if I

827
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 5: haven't exercised in over a week, and I mean along

828
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Speaker 5: the lines of depression, because a part of my motivation

829
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Speaker 5: and part of my stress relief is because of this,

830
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Speaker 5: and also it's a part of my social outing.

831
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Speaker 2: I know that's really odd, but.

832
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 5: I get down sometimes and I'm really awkward, and I'm

833
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 5: an introvert to the core. Like I'm really great when

834
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 5: I have to be on, but if I don't shut off,

835
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 5: I may just crumble and with her and die.

836
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Speaker 2: This has been the theme today.

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Speaker 5: You're welcome, But the fact is I get to go

838
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 5: out and meet new people, starting new relationships through the

839
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 5: different types of activities because I love doing. Like I've

840
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 5: talked about Cardio jam, I've made some really good friends

841
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 5: just dancing it out essentially. Yeah, you heard me dancing

842
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 5: it out, hip popping it out with my crew or

843
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 5: you know, with DeMarco, and yeah, he's the instructor, he's

844
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 5: my boy. But like we do a lot of things

845
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 5: and they know me to the point that if I'm

846
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 5: not there for a week, they're like, are you okay?

847
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 5: And that's a legitimate question, not because I'm not exercised,

848
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 5: not because I'm not you know whatever, out there sweating,

849
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 5: but because for me this is an outlet.

850
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 5: But again, I know you have talked about having too

852
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 5: much of that, and that is like, how do we

853
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 5: become make sure that we are putting on a healthy

854
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 5: perspective on both ways, because I also can't aerate overdrink,

855
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 5: like one of my bad habits can be when I

856
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 5: get really rush. When I was starting out at defects,

857
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 5: I was eating a lot of fast food. Believe me,

858
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 5: that was not helping me at all. It did not

859
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 5: help my sleep habits, It did not help my heart habit.

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00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 5: You know, all of that, And that's kind of cost

861
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 5: for concern as well and the easy out.

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00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so where is that balance?

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00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's honestly very difficult, I think because

864
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: you don't want to enable bad habits and other people.

865
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Speaker 1: It's just it's really tough. And another thing we did

866
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Speaker 1: want to touch on briefly is something that we've kind

867
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: of mentioned is this moral judgment people feel entitled to

868
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: make around people's weight that maybe you're lazy or disgusting

869
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: or or even the other way for skinny people, like

870
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Speaker 1: maybe you don't eat.

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00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 2: It all right.

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00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, just these kind of like snap judgments that we

873
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: feel okay with making a bound around usually women's bodies,

874
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: but everybody, you shouldn't be eating that. Not only does

875
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: that directly impact self confidence for women, that can reflect

876
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: that lack of self confidence can reflect in their clothing choices,

877
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: like it did for Samantha and I, which can affect

878
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: how you are perceived professionally, like we talked about in

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00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: the makeup portion of our routine episode.

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00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 5: I think that also goes for the conversations not even

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00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 5: directed at us. I remember just hearing people who have

882
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 5: perceived to be skinnier, prettier, in much better shape than

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00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 5: I am, talking about how much they need to change

884
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Speaker 5: or need to lose more.

885
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: And I took that as a judgment about me.

886
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm thinking, oh my god, if they think

887
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 5: they're skinny, they think they're fat. Yeah, how do they

888
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 5: look at me? Who is at least twice you're with?

889
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 5: And I'm also thinking that with kids. And I know

890
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 5: we've talked about this a lot, and I know there's

891
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 5: plenty of studies out there how we talk about watch

892
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 5: your conversations and watch what you're talking and how you're

893
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 5: talking to your teens, your adolescens, because you're teaching them

894
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 5: a habit. As a nanny, when I was talking to

895
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 5: the mother of the kids that were taken care of,

896
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 5: she is this beautiful and this like amazingly fit. All

897
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 5: of these things had babies and you would never know

898
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 5: all of these things, continually talking about diet, continually talking

899
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 5: about not being able to eat this, continually counting calories,

900
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 5: and her ten at that time, I think eight year

901
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 5: old was watching her and doing the same thing and

902
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 5: shaming her brothers to try to make them like stop

903
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 5: eating or reading less and all of these things, or

904
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 5: even talking about their gut and all of these things.

905
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 5: And I'm thinking, this is you have to be careful.

906
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 5: And don't get me wrong, the mother never said anything

907
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 5: to the kids. It wasn't like she was like, you're fat,

908
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 5: don't do this, don't do that. It was just what

909
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 5: they were hearing from the mother, and who obviously is

910
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 5: very very healthy, going overboard in that level, And I

911
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 5: think that's part of the problem we have, and now

912
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 5: it's just the overall generalized conversations that we have. It

913
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 5: pollutes everything around them. So you have to be super careful.

914
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 5: And I know for me sometimes I've talked with many people,

915
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 5: many women, We talk about counting calories, that it can

916
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 5: be healthy to a one extent, but really really really like.

917
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 2: Over the top. Yeah, And I get that way.

918
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 5: I get competitive about I can't eat this, I can't

919
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 5: eat this, I can't eat this, but you have to

920
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 5: have a balance. So I know you were talking about

921
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 5: the apps that we eat. One of the apps that

922
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 5: you use actually told you you're not eating enough.

923
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like, I think it's three days go

924
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: buy and you don't eat enough. It said like, well,

925
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: we won't let you add stuff to it anymore.

926
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: Whow you like start eating. You should be meeting this

927
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: at least this many.

928
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 5: Which is a good thing, which I really do appreciate

929
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 5: because that doesn't happen enough, and that gets an obsessive moments. Yeah,

930
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 5: that it gets kind of scared. I believe that's why

931
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 5: weight Watchers changed over to their point system, because people

932
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 5: were counting too much. With that it was kind of

933
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 5: affecting them. And then it took off some points for

934
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 5: average things like fruit and vegetables, because those are things

935
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 5: that are necessary and shouldn't be counted against you.

936
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: I believe.

937
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, not that I'm We're not We're not sponsored by them,

938
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 5: but I just i'mink like people. I think things the

939
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 5: industry slowly changing. Yeah, not enough, obviously not enough, but

940
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 5: kind of taking that route of Okay, we need to

941
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 5: learn about being healthy h versus skinny. And again this

942
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 5: goes back to why are we talking about normal? This

943
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 5: is your normal. If you are happy, healthy, and everything

944
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 5: is good to go, that's normal.

945
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: That's great.

946
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 5: And I think we talked about the whole natural look

947
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 5: that's also different from everyone else as well, and that

948
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 5: shouldn't be judged based on anybody else's judgment. And this

949
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 5: whole basis of this is what you need to be

950
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 5: and this is not what we expect. It should be

951
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 5: thrown out of the window because that's the whole perspective,

952
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 5: and ethnicity and body type and gender, all of those

953
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 5: things should be out that window because the normal is

954
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 5: not normal anymore. We would kind of talked about in

955
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 5: trauma alone and the effects of trauma, and it can

956
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 5: come out into these specific things in feeling like you

957
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 5: have to build up to a certain point of your body,

958
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 5: a certain point of sizes or looks or whatever to

959
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 5: justify or try to cover up past humiliations, past hearts,

960
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 5: past abuses.

961
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: And that's kind of the problem, is that the.

962
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 5: Reason there is no norm is nobody has the same past.

963
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I hope that we'll see more good representations, yes,

964
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: of all body types, right, and the industry will make more,

965
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: and I hope that more clothing that fits well looks

966
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: well is designed specifically for women in this what has

967
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: so long been quote a black hole, right, And I

968
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: hope that for some people listening, maybe you realize you're

969
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: a lot less alone than you thought you.

970
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: Were, and just kind of wrap it all up once again.

971
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 5: There are people who actually are out there showing and

972
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 5: being good. Examples such as Mandy Killing, Beyonce, Rihanna, Jamila,

973
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 5: you said it, I don't, Jamila, Jamila Jamil. Those people

974
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 5: are amazing and calling out the stereotypes and the negativity

975
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 5: and the Hollywood standards and media standards, and that's fantastic.

976
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 5: And I think with a lot of our own insecurities

977
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 5: that we just talked about, I just I had remembered

978
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 5: times where I heard women or people who actually love

979
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 5: themselves actually talk about how they feel good about their hair,

980
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 5: they're feeling good about their outfit. And my first thought

981
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 5: was that seems kind of conceited. But that's kind of

982
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 5: a programmed idea in us that we have to be humble,

983
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 5: and being humble means being really really hard on ourselves,

984
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 5: and that's absurd.

985
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 2: And for those who got it, yeah, girl, Yeah, show it.

986
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 5: You got that booty, Yeah, show that thing off. You

987
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 5: got the hair, toss that up, show everybody what you got.

988
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: You got the red.

989
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 5: Lipstick, because that is amazing and for or many of

990
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 5: us when we have a good day, embrace.

991
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 2: That day, love it, show it off. Kind of like how.

992
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 5: Tina Fey encouraged Britney Spears way back when in the

993
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 5: SNL episode or SNL news clip. She was like, rub

994
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 5: that thing with fine oils. Yeah, you treat yourself and

995
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 5: go ahead and love yourself and please show that that's

996
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 5: an influence thing. You're feeling good, you need to take

997
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 5: a selfie.

998
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: Go for it. Proud of you. Teach me the ways.

999
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that is one of the biggest pieces

1000
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: of advice you always see. It is like find something

1001
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: you love about yourself, and you know, at least in

1002
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: your own head, think you know what, Yes, today my

1003
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: eyes look very nice.

1004
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 5: So Annie, Yes, tell me something that you like about

1005
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 5: yourself today.

1006
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: I love my eyes. Yes, and they're twinkling. Thank you.

1007
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: I love my skin. There you go. Yes.

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00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 1: That brings us to the end of this episode. You

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1010
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