Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another episode of Wrestling
Speaker 1: with Freddy, and today I have not one, but two guests.
Speaker 1: One I had the honor and privilege of working directly with,
Speaker 1: and the other punched me in the eye for no reason.
Speaker 1: Whatsolept stuffing up for the mic. The Hope of Wrestling
Speaker 1: with Freddy Freddie Prince June. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, Jeff
Speaker 1: and Matt Hardy, welcome to Wrestling with Freddy. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the show. Boys. How are you doing well? Man? And
Speaker 1: I just want to say when it when it comes
Speaker 1: to the scenario where I punched you in the eye,
Speaker 1: I just want to say this, it couldn't happen to
Speaker 1: a better guy. That's great to be here. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you both. In truth, it was my fault. You were
Speaker 1: warming up and I was not looking, and I walked
Speaker 1: right into your spinning arm that was taped to the gills,
Speaker 1: and it am near gave me a black guy. My mom,
Speaker 1: when I was a little kid, Legit used to read
Speaker 1: me the Hardy Boys books. So the first time I
Speaker 1: ever saw The Hardy Boys on TV and you guys
Speaker 1: lost in the beginning, I was already kind of like
Speaker 1: cued in and and locked into what you wanted to
Speaker 1: do just on the name recognition alone, right, And so
Speaker 1: then I started to watch what both of you did,
Speaker 1: and you're so complete opposites as far as your presentation. Matt,
Speaker 1: I've always found you to be more extroverted. Jeff's more introverted. Um,
Speaker 1: Jeff's an expressionist. You're like this tech wizard. Like, so
Speaker 1: you guys just have these like two little like you
Speaker 1: were always thinking what's next. Jeff was always like, this
Speaker 1: is who I am, this is what's right now. As
Speaker 1: a as a fan member, that's that's that's what I saw.
Speaker 1: And as I watched you guys grow from the dudes
Speaker 1: that would lose, like, that's what guys like would say
Speaker 1: to all of a sudden becoming one of the greatest
Speaker 1: tag teams in the history of professional wrestling, and then
Speaker 1: to be able to separate and have massive success in
Speaker 1: solo careers at the same time and be able to
Speaker 1: seamlessly sort of come back together and be great again.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone else has ever pulled this off.
Speaker 1: And it may sound like I'm blowing smoke, but I
Speaker 1: was just always so impressed by both of you before
Speaker 1: I even got to the company. My question is, when
Speaker 1: you guys got started, were you just happy to be
Speaker 1: living the dream or did you guys legit see those
Speaker 1: types of stories happening when we first started. I think
Speaker 1: we're just very happy to be living the dream. And
Speaker 1: I just want to say, as far as your description
Speaker 1: of the two of us, we are are very different.
Speaker 1: We are very different souls and you knowed it, like
Speaker 1: you can tell you know us well just from that description.
Speaker 1: But yeah, our dream was just to to to wrestle,
Speaker 1: you know, on the w WF at the time, and
Speaker 1: and and and and make it. And our goal ultimately
Speaker 1: was to win the world Tag team titles one time,
Speaker 1: you know, the on the highest level obviously over so
Speaker 1: so we did, Okay, that was our goal. If we
Speaker 1: did one time and then we were good, it's a wrap.
Speaker 1: And uh, I feel like once we were there, we
Speaker 1: were just so humbled to be there and to get
Speaker 1: the opportunity to be in the ring, even if we're
Speaker 1: gonna aspet. I remember, our goal was like, hey, let's
Speaker 1: figure out a real awesome bump we can take for
Speaker 1: this guy, you know, so so it'll make him look
Speaker 1: good if we do that they'll bring us back. That
Speaker 1: was our secret. And Jeff was just such a Jeff
Speaker 1: is he was and is such an incredible seller, like
Speaker 1: he was awesome in that role. And and we believe
Speaker 1: there were a lot of independent people who said, like,
Speaker 1: if you guys keep doing this, if you keep doing jobs.
Speaker 1: There's a guy who told us that instead of doing
Speaker 1: Carney and says, saying jazz obs, he just shortened his jobs.
Speaker 1: He said, if you keep doing jobs, you guys are
Speaker 1: gonna be labeled like that forever. I said, no, man,
Speaker 1: I think we think we can make it if we
Speaker 1: keep bust our asks and working hard on I guarantee it.
Speaker 1: I believe we can make it. How old were you
Speaker 1: when that conversation happened? How old were you when they
Speaker 1: said you can't keep doing that? Jeff was six fifteen
Speaker 1: years old, gidding there's tennis stars that have retired at
Speaker 1: that age. Oh my gosh. Okay, So you come into
Speaker 1: the wrestling company. I worked directly under Michael Hayes when
Speaker 1: I when I started, And the way Michael speaks about
Speaker 1: the two of you is the way a dad speaks
Speaker 1: about his sons. He's our wrestling daddy. Well, That's how
Speaker 1: he felt. When I was there and I had never
Speaker 1: met either one of you, I was I was brand new.
Speaker 1: I was not getting the what the writers would call
Speaker 1: the good assignments. I was getting the ones that know,
Speaker 1: the assignments that no one wanted. And as I started
Speaker 1: getting a little better and and figuring stuff out while
Speaker 1: still making a lot of mistakes, I started to have
Speaker 1: a little bit more access. And I remember, Matt, when
Speaker 1: you won the e c W Championship, when they changed
Speaker 1: the belt that I loved the Some people didn't like it,
Speaker 1: but I loved that big silver blon And it was
Speaker 1: the first ever scramble match in W two B history,
Speaker 1: So that that's a little piece of wrestling trivia that
Speaker 1: always hold. I won the first ever scramble match, that
Speaker 1: was the first one, and then they did it again
Speaker 1: on SmackDown like a year later, right, So I remember
Speaker 1: being in guerrilla position when you won that and came back.
Speaker 1: And the reason this popped in my head was you
Speaker 1: said something that you said the word humble or humility earlier,
Speaker 1: and you walked back and Vince gave you the nod,
Speaker 1: and you said, I just want to let you know
Speaker 1: I appreciate this so much and I won't let you down.
Speaker 1: And it was such a humble moment for a champion,
Speaker 1: and his head kind of cocked and he gave you
Speaker 1: that like that grunt, right, that all right? And he walked, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you walked backstage, and I was sitting and I
Speaker 1: had never seen an instance like that before. I didn't
Speaker 1: have access to grill a position. Before that moment. I
Speaker 1: was just like, whoa that was? That was intense, and
Speaker 1: it was my first kind of taste of what it
Speaker 1: meant for a wrestler to be a champion in that company.
Speaker 1: And before that, like I had made mistakes. I didn't
Speaker 1: understand the value of the belt and what it truly
Speaker 1: meant outside of a fan going hey, that's cool. So
Speaker 1: I'm getting schooled up on there, like learning on the fly.
Speaker 1: And then Michael comes in and he says Jeff had
Speaker 1: a lot of momentum at the time, and he said, uh,
Speaker 1: to the whole writing team, we're gonna try to make
Speaker 1: Jeff chance. And I remember there was a guy named
Speaker 1: christ to Joseph If and he was like hyped. He
Speaker 1: was so excited, right, and some of the other Writersom
Speaker 1: was like, how are we gonna how are we going
Speaker 1: to do that? And for me it was an opportunity
Speaker 1: to get a better assignment. And I had never even
Speaker 1: met Jeff yet outside of maybe like a head nod
Speaker 1: like that. That was all we did, and I wrote
Speaker 1: up a story and Jeff, you had been going through
Speaker 1: ship at the time, and I thought, instead of hiding
Speaker 1: from that, we should kind of lean into it. And
Speaker 1: my philosophy, you know, my dad struggled in the seventies
Speaker 1: with a lot of different stuff, like when he died,
Speaker 1: he had enough coludes in his system to kill a
Speaker 1: damn horse. I had a lot of experience with that,
Speaker 1: and I had gone through psychologist after psychologist and a
Speaker 1: lot of it. They talked about, you know, the brain
Speaker 1: knows when it needs help, it goes to whatever the
Speaker 1: quickest route to that help is, right, And so I
Speaker 1: tried to come up with this thing that you executed
Speaker 1: so beautifully where we talked about the gray area and
Speaker 1: the world's not just black and white. That just doesn't
Speaker 1: exist in the real world, and there is a gray area.
Speaker 1: And it's not about good people are bad people, because
Speaker 1: there's good people that make bad choices every day, and
Speaker 1: there's bad people to make good choices in their life
Speaker 1: and the rest of us are in the middle and
Speaker 1: we're all just trying to get by. And I thought
Speaker 1: that could be a truthful and honest and this may
Speaker 1: sound weird, but a beautiful way to tell your story.
Speaker 1: I just didn't know if we could get it approved.
Speaker 1: What was going through your head as I'm kind of
Speaker 1: throwing these these weird o promos your way? I mean,
Speaker 1: was it exciting? Was it? What the hell was this guy? Like? Whatever,
Speaker 1: You're not gonna hurt my feelings, even if you're like, dude,
Speaker 1: they suck, Like I loved it no matter what. So
Speaker 1: I'm just curious as to what was going through your
Speaker 1: heart and head at the time. It was crazy exciting
Speaker 1: and thank you for helping me become the world champion
Speaker 1: for the first time. Is that it's for wrestling. It's
Speaker 1: it's an amazing craft and man, I'm just me like
Speaker 1: what you see is what you get. And man, but
Speaker 1: when that happened, I was like, oh, I do have
Speaker 1: something special about me and I don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: like the connection between me and the fans, but there's
Speaker 1: something The energy I guess is oh my god, there's
Speaker 1: no gravity and like we can just soar to the
Speaker 1: stars and and and take over whatever when I see
Speaker 1: these people. But there's just something special about me, and
Speaker 1: I thank you for recognizing that within me, and pro
Speaker 1: wrestling is a is a crazy world. Man. It's like
Speaker 1: a circus, is like a side show, and um and
Speaker 1: I'm just so proud to be a part of it. Jeff,
Speaker 1: you talked about that energy, you know, for me, it
Speaker 1: was always like when you're when you're not the cool
Speaker 1: kid and you're not the popular kid in school, which
Speaker 1: I was not, you feel like an outcast and you
Speaker 1: try to seek out others that are like minded. But
Speaker 1: before the Internet that was impossible, so you legitimately were
Speaker 1: an outcast. You you felt ostracized, right, And that's I
Speaker 1: think something that people saw and connected with your character
Speaker 1: out there, because, like you said, it's you. The character
Speaker 1: is you. It's not Jeff Hardy is not out there
Speaker 1: faking it and putting on some persona. Is just this
Speaker 1: is who I am right now, and I hope you
Speaker 1: love me. And it's like you feel that every time
Speaker 1: you can, you climb up to the top, right. So
Speaker 1: I always felt that connection was Wrestling fans have always
Speaker 1: been like those sports fan that has been disrespected the most,
Speaker 1: the one that's like discounted the most. I remember calling
Speaker 1: Cowherd used to call us mouth breathers, and and then
Speaker 1: Fox bought it, and all of a sudden he was
Speaker 1: so nice and polite and respectful. Um. But I always
Speaker 1: felt those fans kind of felt that way. And so
Speaker 1: when they have someone where they can go, that's our guy.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, that's their guy. And that crowd
Speaker 1: was always willing to go up to the top and
Speaker 1: jump with you if need be. And I remember you
Speaker 1: said that energy. I remember when the crowd believed that
Speaker 1: it was gonna happen. I didn't watch from Guerilla, even
Speaker 1: though I was supposed to. I got yelled at. I
Speaker 1: went out to one of the side hallways so I
Speaker 1: could see it, you know, the way I the way
Speaker 1: I would want to see it if I bought it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, and my phone was going crab free bird.
Speaker 1: I was like, get back and where are you. I
Speaker 1: didn't even like answer it. I'm just there, like watching
Speaker 1: from the wings. And that crowd all of a sudden
Speaker 1: when they realized it was Hunter outside the ring and
Speaker 1: not you, and that the finish was about to actually happen.
Speaker 1: You said there was no gravity, Like I literally felt
Speaker 1: like I was floating in that moment because their voices
Speaker 1: and the sound like reverberated so damn much that it's
Speaker 1: like lifting you up off of the ground. And then
Speaker 1: they did the finish, and because you're beautifully insane, you
Speaker 1: then climbed the entire scaffold of Armageddon all the way
Speaker 1: to the top, which came up just gave me a
Speaker 1: heart attack. I was a new father, so like all
Speaker 1: my bravery just vanished. And all I'm thinking is I
Speaker 1: hope he's okay. Talk about that moment, man, because you
Speaker 1: talked about just the regular energy that you get from
Speaker 1: a regular match, which sounds like winning a championship. So
Speaker 1: what was it like when you actually did like a
Speaker 1: little boy's dream come true? Man, like up on that
Speaker 1: castle at Armageddon and Armageddon iss coming eventually maybe I'm
Speaker 1: getting okay, could help you go, what did Jeffy? But no, uh,
Speaker 1: it's such a crazy world. But yeah, it's a little
Speaker 1: little boy's dream come true man and God, and then
Speaker 1: to do it over and over again. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite things, as far as being like world champion is
Speaker 1: when Punk and it's so crazy. We're in the same
Speaker 1: company now, and there's a huge moment between me and Punk.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's gonna I'm sure, Uh it has to. He was.
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember when he walked out to your music.
Speaker 1: I'm rocked out like jazz. Oh my god. The crowd
Speaker 1: got so angry, like bro, you you guys gotta get
Speaker 1: it on again, you gotta get I mean you you
Speaker 1: tell me, man, And I think there's a huge moment,
Speaker 1: like just in the hallway, like me and Matt beat
Speaker 1: the Young Bucks or whatever it uh whatever pay per
Speaker 1: views coming up or whatever happens. But then we were
Speaker 1: me and Punk just have a face off. I love
Speaker 1: faceoffs first of all, big hug, you know, but also
Speaker 1: let him know, Yeah, I'm gonna see you though, Matt,
Speaker 1: I've always had a question for this, and I guess
Speaker 1: I could have asked Freebird over the years, but I
Speaker 1: just I wanted to ask you. During Jeff's run, there
Speaker 1: was this sneaky little thing that you and Freebird did
Speaker 1: where Matt hard He's coming out to help his brother,
Speaker 1: but Jeff gets hurt and we didn't show it at
Speaker 1: that pay per view, we revealed it. I believe at
Speaker 1: the next pay per view, But the Matt Hardy character
Speaker 1: smiled and wasn't necessarily out there to help his brother.
Speaker 1: Is what it seemed was this and this eventually led
Speaker 1: to you turning on Jeff. Was this something that you
Speaker 1: came up with, Michael came up with. The two of
Speaker 1: you sat together and and came Because I wasn't even
Speaker 1: aware of it until after it happened in Free Bird,
Speaker 1: was like, well, that's just a little extra touch. Um,
Speaker 1: so I know they pitched it to me, and it's
Speaker 1: so funny. There was like these old rumors that float
Speaker 1: around like, oh my god, it was supposed to be Christian,
Speaker 1: but then they changed it. They made it mad. It
Speaker 1: was always gonna be me, and they just I feel
Speaker 1: like they felt the best path forward for me because always,
Speaker 1: historically Jeff has always been more popular, probably always will
Speaker 1: be more popular. I just want to tack on something
Speaker 1: to what you're saying earlier. We do these massive autograph
Speaker 1: signings now that we're back, you know the parties, you
Speaker 1: know whenever we go to these uh you know, autograph
Speaker 1: signings are like four hours four and a half hours
Speaker 1: are long and massive, and there's so many people that
Speaker 1: have watched us for so long in October of this year,
Speaker 1: We've been doing this for thirty years, and you know,
Speaker 1: we've been doing it like on the highest level now
Speaker 1: for almost almost twenty five years, which is crazy and
Speaker 1: and and like you said, is it's very special that
Speaker 1: we can be a tag team and win multiple world
Speaker 1: tag team titles together and then split off and when
Speaker 1: other titles and come out the other one titles again, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's ever been a team that has
Speaker 1: had that sort of success as as a team and
Speaker 1: uh singles, you know when it when it when you
Speaker 1: think about the big scheme of things. The only person
Speaker 1: I can really think that's close is Edging Christian. But
Speaker 1: they both had to take off, like you know, seven
Speaker 1: to nine years because of their severe injuries and whatnot.
Speaker 1: So Jeff has this thing about him. Whenever we're doing
Speaker 1: these signings, people come up to all the time they go, oh,
Speaker 1: my god, you inspired me to be me because you
Speaker 1: were just someone who like this is who you are.
Speaker 1: If you like me, great, if you don't, great, I
Speaker 1: don't care. I'm me and I'm happy this moment. I'm
Speaker 1: doing what I love in this moment, and I'm living
Speaker 1: my life to the fullest in this moment, and I
Speaker 1: don't care what anybody else says. And that's a huge
Speaker 1: inspiration to him, and people all the time come and
Speaker 1: say thank you so much. You helped me during a
Speaker 1: tough period of my childhood or whatever, like you made
Speaker 1: me not afraid to be myself. So I think that's
Speaker 1: one of the very special things that goes along with him,
Speaker 1: and that leads, I think to him being historically the
Speaker 1: most popular of the two of us. And then Michael
Speaker 1: Hayes had pitches. I think the best way forward for you,
Speaker 1: Matt is now that you're the c c W champion
Speaker 1: and he's the w B champion, if we did a
Speaker 1: thing where like you were almost jealous, you know, he's
Speaker 1: getting all the you know, he's getting all the light
Speaker 1: shined on him right now as being the big champion,
Speaker 1: and you've been a big champion even longer. Like, what
Speaker 1: if we do a thing where you get so frustrated
Speaker 1: and ultimately you turn on him and we do a
Speaker 1: big match at WrestleMania and you guys can face one
Speaker 1: another on the you know, the the biggest platform possible.
Speaker 1: And I was all down for it and said, yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds good, and I didn't disagree, so they started
Speaker 1: planning those seeds. I want to say. The first thing
Speaker 1: was like you were found like uh out in a stairwell,
Speaker 1: and it was almost like a play in real life, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, was was Jeff Hardy messed up? We
Speaker 1: know he's had his demons and we know he has
Speaker 1: had his issues, but it turns out in the backstory
Speaker 1: that I was the one that did that to him.
Speaker 1: There was a deal where there was a car crash
Speaker 1: and remember the film that you some girl like as
Speaker 1: your wife is bed and and and I ended up
Speaker 1: being me as well. And then the Pyro thing, which
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite deals because he made it
Speaker 1: look so amazing the way he sold it. And then
Speaker 1: ultimately ended up where my worst enemy, a guy that
Speaker 1: I have historically hated Edge. You know, he is wrestling
Speaker 1: Jeff and I screwed Jeff out of the match and
Speaker 1: allow Edge to win, which really solidified that I was
Speaker 1: a real piece of ship. Terrible bad guy. That's long
Speaker 1: term storytelling that doesn't get done as much anymore. I
Speaker 1: miss it, man, and that was done really well. I
Speaker 1: feel like at that point, if we would have just
Speaker 1: focused on me being jealous and my envy of him
Speaker 1: being so popular when he has the title. The thing
Speaker 1: I think where we we went a little too far
Speaker 1: is because his house legitimately did burn down. Whenever I
Speaker 1: burned down his house and killed his dog, I felt
Speaker 1: like a lot of people say, I, I mean kind
Speaker 1: of in on him being joles, but that's that's a
Speaker 1: little too much, and I remember that became part of
Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, I remember that too. I feel like
Speaker 1: fans disconnected there a little bit, and that that was
Speaker 1: my feeling from reading the crowd as well. Well. When
Speaker 1: that's well, let's talk about that reading the crowd and that. Okay,
Speaker 1: So to me, professional wrestling and stand up comedy are
Speaker 1: the two most brutal forms of art. Okay. The crowd
Speaker 1: lets you know right away if they don't like your joke,
Speaker 1: because they don't laugh. They let you know right away
Speaker 1: if they don't like your work in the ring, and
Speaker 1: they'll scream at you, they'll start you suck chance, not
Speaker 1: because you're the heel, because they genuinely hate you. So
Speaker 1: when you talk about feeling that in the crowd, how
Speaker 1: do you communicate that to creative Have you ever been
Speaker 1: able to communicate that successfully is it? Does it fall
Speaker 1: on deaf ears? What to talk about that real quick
Speaker 1: if you could. There was one moment like before I
Speaker 1: went out and the like I think Michael Hays is
Speaker 1: up and advance and you know everybody, uh man, And
Speaker 1: they played the video package and like Jack are dog
Speaker 1: that died in the fire was the last visual of
Speaker 1: that almost like broke down there. You gotta be fired
Speaker 1: up that that was right before. I'm not getting fired up.
Speaker 1: I'm going to have a stone cold because man, that
Speaker 1: ship had really happened. This ship is fake. You know
Speaker 1: what we're doing now, it's just an act, you know,
Speaker 1: so to speak. And that was one I just went
Speaker 1: on like just stone called us and I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not getting fired up at all. I I feel like
Speaker 1: inserting reality in the storylines. It's important and it needs
Speaker 1: to be done, especially now in the age of the
Speaker 1: Internet and the age of information, because everybody knows everything.
Speaker 1: I think you do. But there there's also some things
Speaker 1: and I think we were right on the cusp of
Speaker 1: this period of this time. That was an event that
Speaker 1: was so tragic and so sad that it literally his
Speaker 1: house burned out, you know, all the old tits, all
Speaker 1: this old gear, his his dog died. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was a really traumatic event on him, and just for
Speaker 1: for them to put that in their storyline was almost
Speaker 1: like where it was bad taste and that that's what
Speaker 1: I felt whenever I see that, especially in high whenever
Speaker 1: they had me come out and they had like a
Speaker 1: I'll never forget them burning a dog collar and then
Speaker 1: I held the dog collar like you know, the guy
Speaker 1: who did the props, he was like, Okay, well he's
Speaker 1: burning more sho. I said, I think it's fine. It's
Speaker 1: like I remember saying like I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: i'll do it. This is what you guys want me
Speaker 1: to do. I'll do it, but like this could be
Speaker 1: too much, and I could just feel like you guys
Speaker 1: weren't alone the air. The air came out of the crowd.
Speaker 1: They're like, it's not like we're not mad at you
Speaker 1: because you're playing the bad guy in the story. We're
Speaker 1: mad at you because this is a poor taste. So
Speaker 1: that's how it felt, you're not alone in that. I
Speaker 1: remember m v P and Jeff had a thing after that,
Speaker 1: and m v P had some of that commentary and
Speaker 1: his and he was even saying like, hey, I think
Speaker 1: we've already kind of done this, and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not a good going there, and and they were still
Speaker 1: you know, real real aggressive about about trying to make
Speaker 1: that work. But I I see what you because it's
Speaker 1: so easy to get to a good place and then
Speaker 1: quickly say what's next when you work at W W
Speaker 1: E instead of living in that moment and allowing that
Speaker 1: moment to be more organic. A lot of times, when
Speaker 1: it works, two weeks later, it's like, well, now that
Speaker 1: has to evolve to something else, and it's like, man,
Speaker 1: it's still so fresh, like they've literally only gotten about
Speaker 1: ten minutes of this so far as far as like
Speaker 1: TV time that you've allowed, like we can let this
Speaker 1: play out. And sometimes they get it right, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes they do do a nice, slow, drawn out story.
Speaker 1: A W did a great one this year with with
Speaker 1: m JF and Punk. I thought that was slow and
Speaker 1: and and beautiful as well. So let's let's transition to
Speaker 1: a E W Jeff, you already planted the seed as
Speaker 1: far as CM punk, but as far as tag teams go.
Speaker 1: And look, this is me as a as a fan
Speaker 1: and a guy who who got to work with both
Speaker 1: you and has love for both of you. You guys
Speaker 1: need to shoot straight to the top of this division.
Speaker 1: You guys need to have all the belts around you.
Speaker 1: I would even want the Ring of Hunter belts around you.
Speaker 1: What's the goal for you guys as the tag team
Speaker 1: right now at least in the coming year. I mean,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Our goal here in a W
Speaker 1: is to submit our legacy. And the first business we
Speaker 1: want to conduct his winning the a W World Tag
Speaker 1: Team Championships. And on top of that, I love to
Speaker 1: win the Triple A. I'd love to win the Ring
Speaker 1: of Honor. I'd love to win the new Japan titles.
Speaker 1: Will win them all, man. We really want to submit
Speaker 1: our legacy. As you know, the legit goats one of
Speaker 1: the greatest of all town. You guys are already subment,
Speaker 1: just so you know. At this point, it's just layering
Speaker 1: gold on top of the submit. But I had this
Speaker 1: one out as far as like two Sweet or Delete
Speaker 1: is one cinematic match that we never got to do
Speaker 1: before we went back to WB in seventeen. But I
Speaker 1: had this idea about us going into the ocean in
Speaker 1: Myrtle Beach, South Carolina and coming out and of the
Speaker 1: Ocean in Long Beach, California, and then Man, the Young
Speaker 1: Us and the Young let go out of you know,
Speaker 1: brother complete an hour from Long Beach. Y'all could come
Speaker 1: out like James Bond from the James Bond movie on
Speaker 1: the or halle Berry Portals. Oh my god, I just
Speaker 1: I just said what my dream match would be today
Speaker 1: on our podcast on the Extreme Life mat Hardy. It
Speaker 1: would be all the greatest tag teams. I would use everyone,
Speaker 1: you know, like Totally and Arn and the Rock and
Speaker 1: Roll Express, used the Young Bucks and and we have.
Speaker 1: It starts at the Hardy Compound and then there's portals,
Speaker 1: and it leads all over the world. We can be it,
Speaker 1: you know. We can be in Japan, we can be
Speaker 1: in the e c W Arena. We're making a worldwide
Speaker 1: If you guys have all the belts, you can do it.
Speaker 1: If you guys have all the belts. I've been looking
Speaker 1: at some properties commercial real estate because I want to
Speaker 1: have a home base for a little independent wrestling company
Speaker 1: that I want to start in about a year and
Speaker 1: a half out here. Yeah, yeah, I've heard these rumors. Man.
Speaker 1: I was looking at a place in downtown Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: that was like a rooftop supper club that had gone
Speaker 1: out of business, and it was like the Downtown l
Speaker 1: A skyline, and all I could think of was a
Speaker 1: Hardy here and a Hardy here on turn buckles with
Speaker 1: the l A. Scott's. The only skyline we got is
Speaker 1: downtown with the l A Skyline behind, while both you
Speaker 1: guys just jump off twelve feet in the air Atlanta.
Speaker 1: But I remember seeing that being like wow, man, like
Speaker 1: rooftop wrestling with the Hardy boys would be insane watching
Speaker 1: you guys, watching you guys go mad there. I do
Speaker 1: want to say this, and I got one more question
Speaker 1: for you. But as you know, as soon as we
Speaker 1: hang up, I'm gonna try to write a CM punk
Speaker 1: Jeff Hardy storyline and I'm gonna send it to Tony
Speaker 1: Cohn like submitted to submitted to Papa con Like that's
Speaker 1: all my Once you said that, I literally like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Yeah, they're in the same company. Of course
Speaker 1: they know there's so much they got it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was such a it was such a wonderful story.
Speaker 1: But both you guys have been in some of my
Speaker 1: favorite stories and what my well, he hated me when
Speaker 1: I joined the company, but he's held both my baby since.
Speaker 1: Uh one of the stories met that you were involved
Speaker 1: in that I've loved and and the US title hasn't
Speaker 1: meant anything since. Was you an m v P? I
Speaker 1: thought this was it was basically competitive friendship rivalry. It
Speaker 1: wasn't hate it first, and it allowed itself, in a slow,
Speaker 1: long format, to develop into something more than you've got
Speaker 1: what I want? Give it to me. It was it
Speaker 1: was no, you're not better than I'm better than you,
Speaker 1: or it was that old song anything you can do,
Speaker 1: I can do better I could. I think that's literally
Speaker 1: it had this old school field to it. Was that
Speaker 1: something that was brought to you guys, or was that
Speaker 1: something that you guys wanted to do that that ended
Speaker 1: up being a touch we decided to put on it,
Speaker 1: and I feel like at that time it was a
Speaker 1: single m v P and single Matt. We were doing
Speaker 1: that in real life too. We were like competitive. We
Speaker 1: would go out to eat in by bar. Later we
Speaker 1: would they see who could drink the most route, pick
Speaker 1: up the most chicks or whatever. We were just super
Speaker 1: competitive and everything really good and it almost like translated
Speaker 1: way on a TV. So that was supposed to be
Speaker 1: a short term thing for the U S title, and
Speaker 1: then like later we added details and you know, I said, well,
Speaker 1: what if you decided you wouldn't try to make me
Speaker 1: your tag team partner and we go after the tag
Speaker 1: team go with us, said, and that kind of gives
Speaker 1: us a way to extend this and we can make
Speaker 1: that happen. And Vince was so open to us there.
Speaker 1: There would be times you remember the lines that would
Speaker 1: be outside Vince's door. You know, there'd be eight or
Speaker 1: nine people just wait and they were waiting for an hour,
Speaker 1: ninety minutes outside his door to getting to see him
Speaker 1: m v P. And I like, if we'd be at
Speaker 1: the line, we'd say, hey, Vince, we should in the text,
Speaker 1: Hey we're outside. He said he'd come in to there.
Speaker 1: He said, Matt MVP, come right in and we'd passed
Speaker 1: the whole line. We did that almost every single week.
Speaker 1: He was like we were his favorites in that time.
Speaker 1: Every time we kind of suggested something, he was always
Speaker 1: open to it. That was one of that was one
Speaker 1: of the most fun times as far as working with Vince,
Speaker 1: and he was liking what we're doing and it was
Speaker 1: succeeding on television, and he was always open ideas. When
Speaker 1: I first did Matt Hardy v. One two, he was
Speaker 1: very open I'd is and I got to interact with
Speaker 1: him a lot too, which was which was very cool.
Speaker 1: Do you think maybe that's the issue with some of
Speaker 1: the younger talent these days, is not either having the
Speaker 1: ideas or not having the confidence to bring their ideas
Speaker 1: to the top people. Do you think maybe they're waiting
Speaker 1: for ideas to come to them. I think so. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have to be hungry, you have to be willing to,
Speaker 1: you know, go out on a limb and try something
Speaker 1: different and think out of the box, especially because in
Speaker 1: pro wrestling now everything's been done, Like, how can we
Speaker 1: switch up our storytelling in a different way which is
Speaker 1: kind of fresh and creative, which will well, we'll have people.
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the toughest deals in
Speaker 1: this day and age, and I feel like now it
Speaker 1: w be it's even harder my last time that I
Speaker 1: was back, and Jeff was there a couple of years
Speaker 1: after me, but like, it's very hard to get in
Speaker 1: and have that one on one FaceTime with Vince Snow
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's very important because he he
Speaker 1: has almost become like, you know, the Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 1: He's like the man behind the curtain, and it's very
Speaker 1: hard to get FaceTime with him. But I think guys
Speaker 1: have to stay driven. They have to continue to submit
Speaker 1: ideas even if you get if you have fifty ideas
Speaker 1: shot down, you might get when they roll with. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you have to do that as part of
Speaker 1: your obligation from creative aspect in this in this industry, Jeff.
Speaker 1: But before I get to my last question, which is
Speaker 1: more family driven and brother driven, did you ever hear
Speaker 1: about the production meeting before you went over as champion?
Speaker 1: Did anyone ever share that with you? I never did.
Speaker 1: Is it ideas or politicking? I think it was politicing, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: well some of us had two politics, So yeah, I
Speaker 1: know if Legends Stars make correct, I've read this and
Speaker 1: heard the rumors. I would love to hear the official
Speaker 1: story though. So this was like the craziest, coolest, most
Speaker 1: passionate moment I ever had in not the wrestling business,
Speaker 1: in show business. I'd never been in a position where
Speaker 1: it was this like creative and realistic debate going back
Speaker 1: and forth. And you've got those production meetings are like
Speaker 1: forty people deep, right. So there was the group that
Speaker 1: was pro Jeff winning the title, which was a larger
Speaker 1: group in that room, and then there was a smaller
Speaker 1: group that did not want that to happen. And it
Speaker 1: was it was a smaller group, but their voices carried weight.
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, I'm sitting next to Freebird
Speaker 1: and the conversation starts going away from all this work
Speaker 1: and what I described out loud as sacrifice Jeff's made
Speaker 1: as far as giving you real stuff. We can't take
Speaker 1: this away. But I'm seeing it getting taken away, and
Speaker 1: Freebirds starts squeezing my wrist, like, get get up, get up.
Speaker 1: You gotta say something. You gotta because if he He's
Speaker 1: like if I, if I do it, that they won't
Speaker 1: go for it. And so I'm sitting there and literally
Speaker 1: like he's got a wrestler's grip. You know, it's no joke.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling it, man, I'm like, oh my god. So
Speaker 1: I stand up and I start giving that that speech
Speaker 1: where it's like, yo, man, this guy's sacrificed so much
Speaker 1: and he's given so much, and I know there's been
Speaker 1: you know, choices, We're not going to call him mistakes,
Speaker 1: I'll call them choices, But damn, what did we do
Speaker 1: this for if not now? And it keeps going back
Speaker 1: and forth, And finally, and I had looked up the
Speaker 1: numbers on your merchandise sales because I was paranoid that
Speaker 1: something like this might happen. And over the last six months,
Speaker 1: you had outsold everyone in the company at that time,
Speaker 1: including the person that was most against this decision, and
Speaker 1: that was my aces Spades that I that I had,
Speaker 1: no not that one, and it was it was three letters,
Speaker 1: They're all this, they were all the same. So I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there, I'm like, man, if I pull this card,
Speaker 1: it's it's my last move. Like I'm not gonna be
Speaker 1: able to like outshoot that. So I had to wait
Speaker 1: for everybody to get there saying and then finally I
Speaker 1: just went All those armed bands out there, all those
Speaker 1: crazy Spider Man looking things, they're on every single person
Speaker 1: in the crowd. This man has sold more merchandise than
Speaker 1: every single person, including the people in this room, over
Speaker 1: the last six months because of the sacrifices he's put
Speaker 1: in this story. Those people believe in him. That's why
Speaker 1: they're buying that even though they already have three of them.
Speaker 1: They're putting on four and five over that because they
Speaker 1: actually believe in this. And I remember Kevin Dunn when
Speaker 1: I mentioned the Mercht numbers because I'm not gonna throw
Speaker 1: your business out there, but I said what they were
Speaker 1: because we had access to all that stuff in the company,
Speaker 1: and Kevin Dunn just went only ship and once he
Speaker 1: said that, I was like, Oh, we're good. And then
Speaker 1: Vince goes, all right, everybody get out of here, and
Speaker 1: he throws us all out except you know a few people.
Speaker 1: I wasn't in those people. Neither was Freebird. And we
Speaker 1: go out and DJ and I are both like, it's
Speaker 1: it's on, It's on. And I'm like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: tell Jeff and Freeber. It's like, you're not telling Thatnie
Speaker 1: to spot over again. You gotta wait till they come out.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, what, what what do you mean?
Speaker 1: He goes, if they if you come out, if they
Speaker 1: come out here and they see you celebrating Freddy, I
Speaker 1: swear to God to be the last thing you work.
Speaker 1: And I'm like all right. I'm like, all right, I'll
Speaker 1: keep it cool. I'll keep it cool. And so I've
Speaker 1: tried to keep it cool in DJ's elbow and be like, dude,
Speaker 1: I can't believe we're gonna get this because DJ shot
Speaker 1: all this stuff, almost all the stuff that I wrote
Speaker 1: for you, Like I remember where he took. He was
Speaker 1: in London with you when you did that great Undertaker
Speaker 1: bit with him at the London Show, and uh so
Speaker 1: he was very heavily invested in this as well. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the naysayers all came out
Speaker 1: and none of them even looked at me, And so
Speaker 1: that's when I knew. I was like, oh, we're good,
Speaker 1: We're good to go. And you just hear Vinceco get
Speaker 1: in there, and free Bird goes in, and we all
Speaker 1: go in. It's just the three of us, and he
Speaker 1: goes nobody touches Jeff to larm aged and that's and
Speaker 1: Freebird was just like, well, I can't say what he said,
Speaker 1: but dude, dude, dude, it's basically what he said as
Speaker 1: we walked out, and then we were running from that
Speaker 1: moment forward and it was such a crazy I had
Speaker 1: so much fun. It felt like the stakes were so high.
Speaker 1: I never felt like the stakes were high in any
Speaker 1: movie I ever did, or any like job that I wrote,
Speaker 1: or if I did, I just couldn't. It wasn't at
Speaker 1: that level, but the stakes felt so high because of
Speaker 1: that energy that you described in the beginning of this.
Speaker 1: It was real old man like those fans when they
Speaker 1: and I never had that. Like my fanship was more
Speaker 1: girls who wanted to fall in love in the nineties, right,
Speaker 1: but it was never but but for real like Matt's
Speaker 1: were real about you know, like his popularity and who
Speaker 1: loves him and who respects him. And I have a
Speaker 1: good perspective on that too, probably because we're older Matt
Speaker 1: and we have wisdom. But Jeff had this way where
Speaker 1: you just give more than guys like me, and people
Speaker 1: respect that and they love that. And that energy was real.
Speaker 1: I've heard comedians talk about that, that energy, and it's
Speaker 1: such a I said this before I think I even
Speaker 1: said it to you, and we were working together. I said, dude,
Speaker 1: you're wrestling is like a Jackson Pollock painting. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like your vomiting emotion all over a literal canvas,
Speaker 1: except it's actual blood, sweat and tears and face paint
Speaker 1: on a literal canvas. I was like, it's the true
Speaker 1: definition of our and I've always described you as that way,
Speaker 1: as Jackson Pollock, whereas like hard Matt is literally like
Speaker 1: Andy Warhol, like what's next? What are the people gonna
Speaker 1: be looking for? What's next? And then he hits him
Speaker 1: with it. And so to see these two complete like,
Speaker 1: no way Andy Warhol and Jackson Pollock ever hung out,
Speaker 1: No way they could live on the same compound together.
Speaker 1: So my my final question is I'm an only child.
Speaker 1: My brother, my son, and my daughter fight all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have as well. How have you
Speaker 1: guys managed to keep this bond, to stay so tight
Speaker 1: and to be like the true definition of brothers. I
Speaker 1: used to ask my mom at Christmas, I don't want
Speaker 1: any presents. I just want a brother. She's like, Babe,
Speaker 1: I have my tubes, tide, that's not happening. So she
Speaker 1: had twenty three hours of labor with me. She was done.
Speaker 1: But how how have you guys done this? Man? And
Speaker 1: maybe there's no answer, and that's fine too, but how
Speaker 1: how have you guys managed you said thirty years used
Speaker 1: eighteen and sixteen. That's insane. You guys are still doing
Speaker 1: this at the highest levels. Yeah, it should be. It's
Speaker 1: a beautiful history that will never bet. It's the story
Speaker 1: you know of us, and he has the you know.
Speaker 1: For me, it's just like faith and hope. I over
Speaker 1: pray all the time. I talked to something more than me,
Speaker 1: like every day, and I believe in that. I I
Speaker 1: really feel like, you know, our mom died young, and
Speaker 1: we we very much modeled ourselves after her in many ways,
Speaker 1: um until we had in wrestling, and then those guys
Speaker 1: kind of tour away hand us and get us all
Speaker 1: all screwed up. But obviously we're not gonna blame that
Speaker 1: on pro wrestling. UM. You know. I just feel like
Speaker 1: from early on, we just realized, like whenever our mom passed,
Speaker 1: I remember our dad said to us, and he was there,
Speaker 1: and our dad's like a real hard Southern man. First
Speaker 1: time we've ever saw him cry, and he said, like, guys,
Speaker 1: we have to be strong, we have to go on
Speaker 1: for her. That's what she would want. So I just
Speaker 1: even from that moment on, I feel like there was
Speaker 1: a very special bond where there's been times where we've
Speaker 1: been at each other's throats, we've had disagreements or whatever,
Speaker 1: but we always know our bond as brothers are is
Speaker 1: very special and it will always come back and it
Speaker 1: always be there. Even if we have a just agreement
Speaker 1: or there's a period where we're on different pages, we
Speaker 1: always get back on the same page every single time.
Speaker 1: And I just think we understand how special it is.
Speaker 1: And that's something I really try and reinforce in in
Speaker 1: my kids. I have three young boys, you know, Maxwell,
Speaker 1: Woffie and Barty his brothers. Like guys, your brothers, you're
Speaker 1: gonna fight with them, You're gonna argue, especially when you're younger.
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna fight all the time. But remember they
Speaker 1: are the most important people in your life, Like you
Speaker 1: can always depend on them, and I think we know
Speaker 1: that we can always depend on one another, no regardless
Speaker 1: of what the situation or scenario is. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: I have the hearty girls like Ruby and Near a man.
Speaker 1: Eleven and six is crazy when you look back at
Speaker 1: everything and it really does fly by. But like Matt's
Speaker 1: like little boys, man, they're so entertaining. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: a real quick story. They were on the motocross track
Speaker 1: one day, like and they were all playing and Wolfie
Speaker 1: wanted the snack, you know, so he was trying to
Speaker 1: go in our house. We have dogs in the house.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of too many dogs. Thinking about
Speaker 1: he's he's not at home. We were like out on
Speaker 1: the motocross track and they're running up down the hill
Speaker 1: and was going towards my house to go go get
Speaker 1: a snack, you know, and and Matt said, woof where
Speaker 1: are you going? I need I need a snack. Where
Speaker 1: you gonna get it from? He said, from the fridge,
Speaker 1: of course, so broken, No you can't. There's dogs in there.
Speaker 1: They'll they'll buy you or something. Matt, what you had
Speaker 1: like a kangaroo, damn zebra? Yeah, kala, bears and all
Speaker 1: kinds of ship Yeah, some of the best. What was
Speaker 1: your kangaroo's name was smoking Joe Frasier, the kingoo man,
Speaker 1: the Kingaroo, his vessel. It contained the essence, the joke
Speaker 1: of smoking Joe Frasier. You know, I new smoking in
Speaker 1: a minute decades ago, and now I've kept track of
Speaker 1: his essence and his essences now in this kangaroo. So
Speaker 1: he would teach us how to strike with his hans
Speaker 1: and feet. Yo. That's what got me back in touch
Speaker 1: with you on social media because I was like, yod,
Speaker 1: what character is this guy created? Now? Like I legit
Speaker 1: reached out to you. I was like, what what is
Speaker 1: going on? Of the hell are you? This is years
Speaker 1: ago now, but Lily Man, I can't say how many
Speaker 1: people how many people said that was friends with Whenever
Speaker 1: I started doing Broken Mat and I went all in
Speaker 1: right method, acting all the way like they said, hey,
Speaker 1: t NA said, hey, we want to put you on
Speaker 1: Meltzer show. You know, he wants you to do the
Speaker 1: whole show, you know, because it's gonna getting hot whatever.
Speaker 1: I said, you know, it's like it's gonna be like
Speaker 1: fifty minutes. He said, So it is that cool? You know,
Speaker 1: they're just like talking wrestling, said, you tell Dave if
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on there. It's all Broken Mat, the
Speaker 1: whole whow It's the whole gimmick. I'm not I'm not changing.
Speaker 1: And I did everything in gimmick. People were contacting me
Speaker 1: going like hey, bro, man, is everything all right? Like
Speaker 1: I just want to see, like make sure you hadn't
Speaker 1: fell off or anything. Man, it's everything cool, Like you
Speaker 1: need me to come up and stay with you or
Speaker 1: help you out. It's everything cool. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm good, I said, I've never been better. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to suck everyone into into this broken
Speaker 1: universe I'm creating. Bro. I would send those videos to
Speaker 1: Karen Culkin, who used to be like my wrestling show
Speaker 1: running mate back in the day, like he's been thrown
Speaker 1: out of Wrestling Show. He was such like a psychophane
Speaker 1: and um to the best actor on HBO, but he
Speaker 1: started off as a psycho fan and I literally be like, yo, Checko,
Speaker 1: what hard he's doing? And he literally straight back, you know,
Speaker 1: what the funk is going on right now? But we
Speaker 1: loved it, man, we loved it. So a little insight
Speaker 1: into that there's this place like fifteen minutes from us,
Speaker 1: which is so crazy because we live out in the
Speaker 1: middle of rural North Carolina, obviously little po dunk Town, Cameron.
Speaker 1: There's this place where there's a little privately owned zoo
Speaker 1: and they had these couple of animals they had, like
Speaker 1: you know, the giraffe was George Washington. He was always
Speaker 1: a bit and like Jeremy boor Rash who was shooting
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Loved going out there and I was like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I would talk to these animals like I'm
Speaker 1: talking to you right now. I would be fully invested,
Speaker 1: you know, with whatever we're doing, and this is a
Speaker 1: great story. The first sound with Smoking Joe, we were there.
Speaker 1: I said, yes, I said, brother Nero, you know, I said,
Speaker 1: I have established a very special boxing match. He's going
Speaker 1: to help us with our strikes so we can take
Speaker 1: out the books of youth. And I said, yeah, let
Speaker 1: me to get into And I'm sure how Smoking Joe works,
Speaker 1: I said. And then like they told us, they said,
Speaker 1: this guy's an older Kingaroo. They said, he throws some
Speaker 1: pretty vicious kids, but he's the most tame of the
Speaker 1: three we have. So if you guys are gonna shoot
Speaker 1: some with him and be best do with him. And
Speaker 1: he one time rare up into a real hard kick.
Speaker 1: And then I remember, I told you so, brother Nero,
Speaker 1: you're such a spot monkey. You jump off the top rope,
Speaker 1: off every purcabaable. You should fight him fust And the
Speaker 1: cameras was like, and I had him the Kingaroo first,
Speaker 1: I want to see how bad the damage was, Just
Speaker 1: like I got, I'm sitting there with Dr Doolittle and
Speaker 1: I gotta take a book from a real kangaroo. And
Speaker 1: the jet locked up the man, I was like, and
Speaker 1: he kicked the shot, and then and then after Jeff went,
Speaker 1: I said, dude, I said, I said, dude. I said,
Speaker 1: all right, man, I said, I'll go bad thank you
Speaker 1: man for taking the first bull. I said, I'll go,
Speaker 1: I'll go. And I was in there and I looked
Speaker 1: up with him. He started kicking me and he was
Speaker 1: kicking the ship out of my knee, and I thought,
Speaker 1: he's gonna bug on my knee. I was gonna have
Speaker 1: to go in and jale surgery and in character and brokemancing, Yes,
Speaker 1: punish me, Joe, punish me. And I was like, I'd
Speaker 1: getting wrong. I had to run out of there. You
Speaker 1: to tap out, bro You gotta get locked up with
Speaker 1: the room. Oh my god, Oh my god. No one
Speaker 1: else could ever tell that unless they live in Australia.
Speaker 1: Nobody else can tell that story. Listen to you, guys.
Speaker 1: I appreciate both of you so much for taking time
Speaker 1: out of your day, from taking time away from the
Speaker 1: Animal Kingdom and from the Hardy Compound and from flying
Speaker 1: all over the place. Matt, keep that active brain of
Speaker 1: yours going, keep reinventing, keep evolving. I love it. Jeff,
Speaker 1: keep living in the moment. Brother. I hope you're still painting.
Speaker 1: I hope you're still making music. If not, please start again.
Speaker 1: A balanced artist is a happy artist, so please continue.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm playing at the Whiskey on June second. Yeah,
Speaker 1: please come out if you can. Man the Whiskey. Where
Speaker 1: where where on sunset and l a, get out of here.
Speaker 1: The Whiskey the legendary place, my Whiskey. Dude, I haven't
Speaker 1: been there, And dude, I would love to come see you.
Speaker 1: Jazarian like Kazarians bands opening up for us, so it's
Speaker 1: like a full band. Then it's like a ghostic a
Speaker 1: second like Whiskey nice too. Oh dude, well ship l
Speaker 1: A show up, show up? All right, you guys. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you both. Lots of love to you both, and
Speaker 1: uh to everybody listening, thank you for the time. And
Speaker 1: this was wrestling with Freddy. This has been a production
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