1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another episode of Wrestling 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: with Freddy, and today I have not one, but two guests. 3 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: One I had the honor and privilege of working directly with, 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: and the other punched me in the eye for no reason. 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: Whatsolept stuffing up for the mic. The Hope of Wrestling 6 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: with Freddy Freddie Prince June. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, Jeff 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: and Matt Hardy, welcome to Wrestling with Freddy. Welcome to 8 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: the show. Boys. How are you doing well? Man? And 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: I just want to say when it when it comes 10 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: to the scenario where I punched you in the eye, 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: I just want to say this, it couldn't happen to 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: a better guy. That's great to be here. I appreciate 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,319 Speaker 1: you both. In truth, it was my fault. You were 14 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: warming up and I was not looking, and I walked 15 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: right into your spinning arm that was taped to the gills, 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: and it am near gave me a black guy. My mom, 17 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: when I was a little kid, Legit used to read 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: me the Hardy Boys books. So the first time I 19 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: ever saw The Hardy Boys on TV and you guys 20 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: lost in the beginning, I was already kind of like 21 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: cued in and and locked into what you wanted to 22 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: do just on the name recognition alone, right, And so 23 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: then I started to watch what both of you did, 24 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: and you're so complete opposites as far as your presentation. Matt, 25 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: I've always found you to be more extroverted. Jeff's more introverted. Um, 26 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: Jeff's an expressionist. You're like this tech wizard. Like, so 27 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: you guys just have these like two little like you 28 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: were always thinking what's next. Jeff was always like, this 29 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: is who I am, this is what's right now. As 30 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: a as a fan member, that's that's that's what I saw. 31 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: And as I watched you guys grow from the dudes 32 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: that would lose, like, that's what guys like would say 33 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: to all of a sudden becoming one of the greatest 34 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: tag teams in the history of professional wrestling, and then 35 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: to be able to separate and have massive success in 36 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: solo careers at the same time and be able to 37 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: seamlessly sort of come back together and be great again. 38 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone else has ever pulled this off. 39 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: And it may sound like I'm blowing smoke, but I 40 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: was just always so impressed by both of you before 41 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: I even got to the company. My question is, when 42 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: you guys got started, were you just happy to be 43 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: living the dream or did you guys legit see those 44 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: types of stories happening when we first started. I think 45 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: we're just very happy to be living the dream. And 46 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: I just want to say, as far as your description 47 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: of the two of us, we are are very different. 48 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: We are very different souls and you knowed it, like 49 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: you can tell you know us well just from that description. 50 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, our dream was just to to to wrestle, 51 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: you know, on the w WF at the time, and 52 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: and and and and make it. And our goal ultimately 53 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: was to win the world Tag team titles one time, 54 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: you know, the on the highest level obviously over so 55 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: so we did, Okay, that was our goal. If we 56 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: did one time and then we were good, it's a wrap. 57 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: And uh, I feel like once we were there, we 58 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: were just so humbled to be there and to get 59 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: the opportunity to be in the ring, even if we're 60 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: gonna aspet. I remember, our goal was like, hey, let's 61 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: figure out a real awesome bump we can take for 62 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: this guy, you know, so so it'll make him look 63 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: good if we do that they'll bring us back. That 64 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: was our secret. And Jeff was just such a Jeff 65 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: is he was and is such an incredible seller, like 66 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: he was awesome in that role. And and we believe 67 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: there were a lot of independent people who said, like, 68 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: if you guys keep doing this, if you keep doing jobs. 69 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: There's a guy who told us that instead of doing 70 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: Carney and says, saying jazz obs, he just shortened his jobs. 71 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: He said, if you keep doing jobs, you guys are 72 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: gonna be labeled like that forever. I said, no, man, 73 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: I think we think we can make it if we 74 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: keep bust our asks and working hard on I guarantee it. 75 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: I believe we can make it. How old were you 76 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: when that conversation happened? How old were you when they 77 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: said you can't keep doing that? Jeff was six fifteen 78 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: years old, gidding there's tennis stars that have retired at 79 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: that age. Oh my gosh. Okay, So you come into 80 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: the wrestling company. I worked directly under Michael Hayes when 81 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: I when I started, And the way Michael speaks about 82 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: the two of you is the way a dad speaks 83 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: about his sons. He's our wrestling daddy. Well, That's how 84 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: he felt. When I was there and I had never 85 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: met either one of you, I was I was brand new. 86 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: I was not getting the what the writers would call 87 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: the good assignments. I was getting the ones that know, 88 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: the assignments that no one wanted. And as I started 89 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: getting a little better and and figuring stuff out while 90 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: still making a lot of mistakes, I started to have 91 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: a little bit more access. And I remember, Matt, when 92 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: you won the e c W Championship, when they changed 93 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: the belt that I loved the Some people didn't like it, 94 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: but I loved that big silver blon And it was 95 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: the first ever scramble match in W two B history, 96 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: So that that's a little piece of wrestling trivia that 97 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: always hold. I won the first ever scramble match, that 98 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: was the first one, and then they did it again 99 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: on SmackDown like a year later, right, So I remember 100 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: being in guerrilla position when you won that and came back. 101 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: And the reason this popped in my head was you 102 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: said something that you said the word humble or humility earlier, 103 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: and you walked back and Vince gave you the nod, 104 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: and you said, I just want to let you know 105 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate this so much and I won't let you down. 106 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: And it was such a humble moment for a champion, 107 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: and his head kind of cocked and he gave you 108 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: that like that grunt, right, that all right? And he walked, yeah, 109 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: and you walked backstage, and I was sitting and I 110 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: had never seen an instance like that before. I didn't 111 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: have access to grill a position. Before that moment. I 112 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: was just like, whoa that was? That was intense, and 113 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: it was my first kind of taste of what it 114 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: meant for a wrestler to be a champion in that company. 115 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: And before that, like I had made mistakes. I didn't 116 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: understand the value of the belt and what it truly 117 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: meant outside of a fan going hey, that's cool. So 118 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: I'm getting schooled up on there, like learning on the fly. 119 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: And then Michael comes in and he says Jeff had 120 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: a lot of momentum at the time, and he said, uh, 121 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: to the whole writing team, we're gonna try to make 122 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: Jeff chance. And I remember there was a guy named 123 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: christ to Joseph If and he was like hyped. He 124 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: was so excited, right, and some of the other Writersom 125 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: was like, how are we gonna how are we going 126 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: to do that? And for me it was an opportunity 127 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,239 Speaker 1: to get a better assignment. And I had never even 128 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: met Jeff yet outside of maybe like a head nod 129 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: like that. That was all we did, and I wrote 130 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: up a story and Jeff, you had been going through 131 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: ship at the time, and I thought, instead of hiding 132 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: from that, we should kind of lean into it. And 133 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: my philosophy, you know, my dad struggled in the seventies 134 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: with a lot of different stuff, like when he died, 135 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: he had enough coludes in his system to kill a 136 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: damn horse. I had a lot of experience with that, 137 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: and I had gone through psychologist after psychologist and a 138 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: lot of it. They talked about, you know, the brain 139 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: knows when it needs help, it goes to whatever the 140 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: quickest route to that help is, right, And so I 141 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: tried to come up with this thing that you executed 142 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: so beautifully where we talked about the gray area and 143 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: the world's not just black and white. That just doesn't 144 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: exist in the real world, and there is a gray area. 145 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: And it's not about good people are bad people, because 146 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: there's good people that make bad choices every day, and 147 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: there's bad people to make good choices in their life 148 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: and the rest of us are in the middle and 149 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: we're all just trying to get by. And I thought 150 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: that could be a truthful and honest and this may 151 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: sound weird, but a beautiful way to tell your story. 152 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: I just didn't know if we could get it approved. 153 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: What was going through your head as I'm kind of 154 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: throwing these these weird o promos your way? I mean, 155 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: was it exciting? Was it? What the hell was this guy? Like? Whatever, 156 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: You're not gonna hurt my feelings, even if you're like, dude, 157 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: they suck, Like I loved it no matter what. So 158 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 1: I'm just curious as to what was going through your 159 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: heart and head at the time. It was crazy exciting 160 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: and thank you for helping me become the world champion 161 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: for the first time. Is that it's for wrestling. It's 162 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: it's an amazing craft and man, I'm just me like 163 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: what you see is what you get. And man, but 164 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: when that happened, I was like, oh, I do have 165 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: something special about me and I don't know what it is, 166 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: like the connection between me and the fans, but there's 167 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: something The energy I guess is oh my god, there's 168 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: no gravity and like we can just soar to the 169 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: stars and and and take over whatever when I see 170 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: these people. But there's just something special about me, and 171 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: I thank you for recognizing that within me, and pro 172 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: wrestling is a is a crazy world. Man. It's like 173 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: a circus, is like a side show, and um and 174 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: I'm just so proud to be a part of it. Jeff, 175 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: you talked about that energy, you know, for me, it 176 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: was always like when you're when you're not the cool 177 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: kid and you're not the popular kid in school, which 178 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: I was not, you feel like an outcast and you 179 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: try to seek out others that are like minded. But 180 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: before the Internet that was impossible, so you legitimately were 181 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: an outcast. You you felt ostracized, right, And that's I 182 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: think something that people saw and connected with your character 183 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: out there, because, like you said, it's you. The character 184 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: is you. It's not Jeff Hardy is not out there 185 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: faking it and putting on some persona. Is just this 186 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: is who I am right now, and I hope you 187 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: love me. And it's like you feel that every time 188 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: you can, you climb up to the top, right. So 189 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: I always felt that connection was Wrestling fans have always 190 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: been like those sports fan that has been disrespected the most, 191 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: the one that's like discounted the most. I remember calling 192 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: Cowherd used to call us mouth breathers, and and then 193 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: Fox bought it, and all of a sudden he was 194 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: so nice and polite and respectful. Um. But I always 195 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: felt those fans kind of felt that way. And so 196 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: when they have someone where they can go, that's our guy. 197 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, that's their guy. And that crowd 198 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: was always willing to go up to the top and 199 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: jump with you if need be. And I remember you 200 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: said that energy. I remember when the crowd believed that 201 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: it was gonna happen. I didn't watch from Guerilla, even 202 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: though I was supposed to. I got yelled at. I 203 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: went out to one of the side hallways so I 204 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: could see it, you know, the way I the way 205 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: I would want to see it if I bought it. Yeah, 206 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: and uh, and my phone was going crab free bird. 207 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: I was like, get back and where are you. I 208 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: didn't even like answer it. I'm just there, like watching 209 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: from the wings. And that crowd all of a sudden 210 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: when they realized it was Hunter outside the ring and 211 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: not you, and that the finish was about to actually happen. 212 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: You said there was no gravity, Like I literally felt 213 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: like I was floating in that moment because their voices 214 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: and the sound like reverberated so damn much that it's 215 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: like lifting you up off of the ground. And then 216 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: they did the finish, and because you're beautifully insane, you 217 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: then climbed the entire scaffold of Armageddon all the way 218 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: to the top, which came up just gave me a 219 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: heart attack. I was a new father, so like all 220 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: my bravery just vanished. And all I'm thinking is I 221 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: hope he's okay. Talk about that moment, man, because you 222 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: talked about just the regular energy that you get from 223 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: a regular match, which sounds like winning a championship. So 224 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: what was it like when you actually did like a 225 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: little boy's dream come true? Man, like up on that 226 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: castle at Armageddon and Armageddon iss coming eventually maybe I'm 227 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: getting okay, could help you go, what did Jeffy? But no, uh, 228 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: it's such a crazy world. But yeah, it's a little 229 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: little boy's dream come true man and God, and then 230 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: to do it over and over again. One of my 231 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: favorite things, as far as being like world champion is 232 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: when Punk and it's so crazy. We're in the same 233 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: company now, and there's a huge moment between me and Punk. 234 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: Yeah it's gonna I'm sure, Uh it has to. He was. 235 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember when he walked out to your music. 236 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: I'm rocked out like jazz. Oh my god. The crowd 237 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: got so angry, like bro, you you guys gotta get 238 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: it on again, you gotta get I mean you you 239 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: tell me, man, And I think there's a huge moment, 240 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: like just in the hallway, like me and Matt beat 241 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: the Young Bucks or whatever it uh whatever pay per 242 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: views coming up or whatever happens. But then we were 243 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: me and Punk just have a face off. I love 244 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: faceoffs first of all, big hug, you know, but also 245 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: let him know, Yeah, I'm gonna see you though, Matt, 246 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: I've always had a question for this, and I guess 247 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: I could have asked Freebird over the years, but I 248 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: just I wanted to ask you. During Jeff's run, there 249 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: was this sneaky little thing that you and Freebird did 250 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: where Matt hard He's coming out to help his brother, 251 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: but Jeff gets hurt and we didn't show it at 252 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: that pay per view, we revealed it. I believe at 253 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: the next pay per view, But the Matt Hardy character 254 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: smiled and wasn't necessarily out there to help his brother. 255 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: Is what it seemed was this and this eventually led 256 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: to you turning on Jeff. Was this something that you 257 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: came up with, Michael came up with. The two of 258 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: you sat together and and came Because I wasn't even 259 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: aware of it until after it happened in Free Bird, 260 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: was like, well, that's just a little extra touch. Um, 261 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: so I know they pitched it to me, and it's 262 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: so funny. There was like these old rumors that float 263 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: around like, oh my god, it was supposed to be Christian, 264 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: but then they changed it. They made it mad. It 265 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: was always gonna be me, and they just I feel 266 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: like they felt the best path forward for me because always, 267 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: historically Jeff has always been more popular, probably always will 268 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: be more popular. I just want to tack on something 269 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: to what you're saying earlier. We do these massive autograph 270 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: signings now that we're back, you know the parties, you 271 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: know whenever we go to these uh you know, autograph 272 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: signings are like four hours four and a half hours 273 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: are long and massive, and there's so many people that 274 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: have watched us for so long in October of this year, 275 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: We've been doing this for thirty years, and you know, 276 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: we've been doing it like on the highest level now 277 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: for almost almost twenty five years, which is crazy and 278 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: and and like you said, is it's very special that 279 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: we can be a tag team and win multiple world 280 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: tag team titles together and then split off and when 281 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: other titles and come out the other one titles again, Like, 282 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: I don't think there's ever been a team that has 283 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: had that sort of success as as a team and 284 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: uh singles, you know when it when it when you 285 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: think about the big scheme of things. The only person 286 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: I can really think that's close is Edging Christian. But 287 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: they both had to take off, like you know, seven 288 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: to nine years because of their severe injuries and whatnot. 289 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: So Jeff has this thing about him. Whenever we're doing 290 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: these signings, people come up to all the time they go, oh, 291 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: my god, you inspired me to be me because you 292 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: were just someone who like this is who you are. 293 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: If you like me, great, if you don't, great, I 294 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: don't care. I'm me and I'm happy this moment. I'm 295 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: doing what I love in this moment, and I'm living 296 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: my life to the fullest in this moment, and I 297 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: don't care what anybody else says. And that's a huge 298 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: inspiration to him, and people all the time come and 299 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: say thank you so much. You helped me during a 300 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: tough period of my childhood or whatever, like you made 301 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: me not afraid to be myself. So I think that's 302 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: one of the very special things that goes along with him, 303 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: and that leads, I think to him being historically the 304 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: most popular of the two of us. And then Michael 305 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: Hayes had pitches. I think the best way forward for you, 306 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: Matt is now that you're the c c W champion 307 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: and he's the w B champion, if we did a 308 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: thing where like you were almost jealous, you know, he's 309 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: getting all the you know, he's getting all the light 310 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: shined on him right now as being the big champion, 311 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: and you've been a big champion even longer. Like, what 312 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: if we do a thing where you get so frustrated 313 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: and ultimately you turn on him and we do a 314 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: big match at WrestleMania and you guys can face one 315 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: another on the you know, the the biggest platform possible. 316 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: And I was all down for it and said, yeah, 317 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: that sounds good, and I didn't disagree, so they started 318 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: planning those seeds. I want to say. The first thing 319 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: was like you were found like uh out in a stairwell, 320 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: and it was almost like a play in real life, like, 321 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: oh my god, was was Jeff Hardy messed up? We 322 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: know he's had his demons and we know he has 323 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: had his issues, but it turns out in the backstory 324 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: that I was the one that did that to him. 325 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: There was a deal where there was a car crash 326 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: and remember the film that you some girl like as 327 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: your wife is bed and and and I ended up 328 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: being me as well. And then the Pyro thing, which 329 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite deals because he made it 330 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: look so amazing the way he sold it. And then 331 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: ultimately ended up where my worst enemy, a guy that 332 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: I have historically hated Edge. You know, he is wrestling 333 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: Jeff and I screwed Jeff out of the match and 334 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: allow Edge to win, which really solidified that I was 335 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: a real piece of ship. Terrible bad guy. That's long 336 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: term storytelling that doesn't get done as much anymore. I 337 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: miss it, man, and that was done really well. I 338 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: feel like at that point, if we would have just 339 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: focused on me being jealous and my envy of him 340 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: being so popular when he has the title. The thing 341 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: I think where we we went a little too far 342 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: is because his house legitimately did burn down. Whenever I 343 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: burned down his house and killed his dog, I felt 344 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: like a lot of people say, I, I mean kind 345 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: of in on him being joles, but that's that's a 346 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: little too much, and I remember that became part of 347 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, I remember that too. I feel like 348 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: fans disconnected there a little bit, and that that was 349 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: my feeling from reading the crowd as well. Well. When 350 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: that's well, let's talk about that reading the crowd and that. Okay, 351 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: So to me, professional wrestling and stand up comedy are 352 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: the two most brutal forms of art. Okay. The crowd 353 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: lets you know right away if they don't like your joke, 354 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: because they don't laugh. They let you know right away 355 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: if they don't like your work in the ring, and 356 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: they'll scream at you, they'll start you suck chance, not 357 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: because you're the heel, because they genuinely hate you. So 358 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: when you talk about feeling that in the crowd, how 359 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 1: do you communicate that to creative Have you ever been 360 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: able to communicate that successfully is it? Does it fall 361 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: on deaf ears? What to talk about that real quick 362 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: if you could. There was one moment like before I 363 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: went out and the like I think Michael Hays is 364 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: up and advance and you know everybody, uh man, And 365 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: they played the video package and like Jack are dog 366 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: that died in the fire was the last visual of 367 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: that almost like broke down there. You gotta be fired 368 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: up that that was right before. I'm not getting fired up. 369 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to have a stone cold because man, that 370 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: ship had really happened. This ship is fake. You know 371 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: what we're doing now, it's just an act, you know, 372 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: so to speak. And that was one I just went 373 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: on like just stone called us and I'm not I'm 374 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: not getting fired up at all. I I feel like 375 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: inserting reality in the storylines. It's important and it needs 376 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: to be done, especially now in the age of the 377 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: Internet and the age of information, because everybody knows everything. 378 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: I think you do. But there there's also some things 379 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: and I think we were right on the cusp of 380 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: this period of this time. That was an event that 381 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: was so tragic and so sad that it literally his 382 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: house burned out, you know, all the old tits, all 383 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: this old gear, his his dog died. I mean, it 384 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: was a really traumatic event on him, and just for 385 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: for them to put that in their storyline was almost 386 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: like where it was bad taste and that that's what 387 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: I felt whenever I see that, especially in high whenever 388 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: they had me come out and they had like a 389 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: I'll never forget them burning a dog collar and then 390 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: I held the dog collar like you know, the guy 391 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: who did the props, he was like, Okay, well he's 392 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: burning more sho. I said, I think it's fine. It's 393 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,959 Speaker 1: like I remember saying like I don't know. I mean, 394 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: i'll do it. This is what you guys want me 395 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: to do. I'll do it, but like this could be 396 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: too much, and I could just feel like you guys 397 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: weren't alone the air. The air came out of the crowd. 398 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: They're like, it's not like we're not mad at you 399 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: because you're playing the bad guy in the story. We're 400 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: mad at you because this is a poor taste. So 401 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: that's how it felt, you're not alone in that. I 402 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: remember m v P and Jeff had a thing after that, 403 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: and m v P had some of that commentary and 404 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: his and he was even saying like, hey, I think 405 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: we've already kind of done this, and you know, I'm 406 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: not a good going there, and and they were still 407 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: you know, real real aggressive about about trying to make 408 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: that work. But I I see what you because it's 409 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: so easy to get to a good place and then 410 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: quickly say what's next when you work at W W 411 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,239 Speaker 1: E instead of living in that moment and allowing that 412 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: moment to be more organic. A lot of times, when 413 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: it works, two weeks later, it's like, well, now that 414 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: has to evolve to something else, and it's like, man, 415 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: it's still so fresh, like they've literally only gotten about 416 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: ten minutes of this so far as far as like 417 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,719 Speaker 1: TV time that you've allowed, like we can let this 418 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: play out. And sometimes they get it right, you know, 419 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: sometimes they do do a nice, slow, drawn out story. 420 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: A W did a great one this year with with 421 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: m JF and Punk. I thought that was slow and 422 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: and and beautiful as well. So let's let's transition to 423 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 1: a E W Jeff, you already planted the seed as 424 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: far as CM punk, but as far as tag teams go. 425 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: And look, this is me as a as a fan 426 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: and a guy who who got to work with both 427 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: you and has love for both of you. You guys 428 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: need to shoot straight to the top of this division. 429 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: You guys need to have all the belts around you. 430 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: I would even want the Ring of Hunter belts around you. 431 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: What's the goal for you guys as the tag team 432 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: right now at least in the coming year. I mean, 433 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: I agree with you. Our goal here in a W 434 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: is to submit our legacy. And the first business we 435 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: want to conduct his winning the a W World Tag 436 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: Team Championships. And on top of that, I love to 437 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: win the Triple A. I'd love to win the Ring 438 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: of Honor. I'd love to win the new Japan titles. 439 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: Will win them all, man. We really want to submit 440 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: our legacy. As you know, the legit goats one of 441 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 1: the greatest of all town. You guys are already subment, 442 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: just so you know. At this point, it's just layering 443 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: gold on top of the submit. But I had this 444 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: one out as far as like two Sweet or Delete 445 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: is one cinematic match that we never got to do 446 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: before we went back to WB in seventeen. But I 447 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: had this idea about us going into the ocean in 448 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: Myrtle Beach, South Carolina and coming out and of the 449 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: Ocean in Long Beach, California, and then Man, the Young 450 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: Us and the Young let go out of you know, 451 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:06,959 Speaker 1: brother complete an hour from Long Beach. Y'all could come 452 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: out like James Bond from the James Bond movie on 453 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: the or halle Berry Portals. Oh my god, I just 454 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: I just said what my dream match would be today 455 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: on our podcast on the Extreme Life mat Hardy. It 456 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: would be all the greatest tag teams. I would use everyone, 457 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: you know, like Totally and Arn and the Rock and 458 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: Roll Express, used the Young Bucks and and we have. 459 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: It starts at the Hardy Compound and then there's portals, 460 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: and it leads all over the world. We can be it, 461 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: you know. We can be in Japan, we can be 462 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: in the e c W Arena. We're making a worldwide 463 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: If you guys have all the belts, you can do it. 464 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: If you guys have all the belts. I've been looking 465 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: at some properties commercial real estate because I want to 466 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,719 Speaker 1: have a home base for a little independent wrestling company 467 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: that I want to start in about a year and 468 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: a half out here. Yeah, yeah, I've heard these rumors. Man. 469 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: I was looking at a place in downtown Los Angeles, 470 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: that was like a rooftop supper club that had gone 471 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: out of business, and it was like the Downtown l 472 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: A skyline, and all I could think of was a 473 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: Hardy here and a Hardy here on turn buckles with 474 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: the l A. Scott's. The only skyline we got is 475 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: downtown with the l A Skyline behind, while both you 476 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: guys just jump off twelve feet in the air Atlanta. 477 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: But I remember seeing that being like wow, man, like 478 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: rooftop wrestling with the Hardy boys would be insane watching 479 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: you guys, watching you guys go mad there. I do 480 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: want to say this, and I got one more question 481 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: for you. But as you know, as soon as we 482 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: hang up, I'm gonna try to write a CM punk 483 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: Jeff Hardy storyline and I'm gonna send it to Tony 484 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: Cohn like submitted to submitted to Papa con Like that's 485 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: all my Once you said that, I literally like, oh 486 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: my god, Yeah, they're in the same company. Of course 487 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: they know there's so much they got it. I mean, 488 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: it was such a it was such a wonderful story. 489 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: But both you guys have been in some of my 490 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: favorite stories and what my well, he hated me when 491 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: I joined the company, but he's held both my baby since. 492 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: Uh one of the stories met that you were involved 493 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: in that I've loved and and the US title hasn't 494 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: meant anything since. Was you an m v P? I 495 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: thought this was it was basically competitive friendship rivalry. It 496 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 1: wasn't hate it first, and it allowed itself, in a slow, 497 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: long format, to develop into something more than you've got 498 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: what I want? Give it to me. It was it 499 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: was no, you're not better than I'm better than you, 500 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: or it was that old song anything you can do, 501 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: I can do better I could. I think that's literally 502 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: it had this old school field to it. Was that 503 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: something that was brought to you guys, or was that 504 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: something that you guys wanted to do that that ended 505 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: up being a touch we decided to put on it, 506 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: and I feel like at that time it was a 507 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: single m v P and single Matt. We were doing 508 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: that in real life too. We were like competitive. We 509 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: would go out to eat in by bar. Later we 510 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: would they see who could drink the most route, pick 511 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: up the most chicks or whatever. We were just super 512 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: competitive and everything really good and it almost like translated 513 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: way on a TV. So that was supposed to be 514 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: a short term thing for the U S title, and 515 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: then like later we added details and you know, I said, well, 516 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: what if you decided you wouldn't try to make me 517 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: your tag team partner and we go after the tag 518 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: team go with us, said, and that kind of gives 519 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: us a way to extend this and we can make 520 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: that happen. And Vince was so open to us there. 521 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: There would be times you remember the lines that would 522 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: be outside Vince's door. You know, there'd be eight or 523 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: nine people just wait and they were waiting for an hour, 524 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: ninety minutes outside his door to getting to see him 525 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: m v P. And I like, if we'd be at 526 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: the line, we'd say, hey, Vince, we should in the text, 527 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,479 Speaker 1: Hey we're outside. He said he'd come in to there. 528 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: He said, Matt MVP, come right in and we'd passed 529 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: the whole line. We did that almost every single week. 530 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: He was like we were his favorites in that time. 531 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: Every time we kind of suggested something, he was always 532 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,239 Speaker 1: open to it. That was one of that was one 533 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: of the most fun times as far as working with Vince, 534 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: and he was liking what we're doing and it was 535 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 1: succeeding on television, and he was always open ideas. When 536 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: I first did Matt Hardy v. One two, he was 537 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: very open I'd is and I got to interact with 538 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: him a lot too, which was which was very cool. 539 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: Do you think maybe that's the issue with some of 540 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: the younger talent these days, is not either having the 541 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: ideas or not having the confidence to bring their ideas 542 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: to the top people. Do you think maybe they're waiting 543 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: for ideas to come to them. I think so. I mean, 544 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: you have to be hungry, you have to be willing to, 545 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, go out on a limb and try something 546 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: different and think out of the box, especially because in 547 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: pro wrestling now everything's been done, Like, how can we 548 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: switch up our storytelling in a different way which is 549 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: kind of fresh and creative, which will well, we'll have people. 550 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the toughest deals in 551 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: this day and age, and I feel like now it 552 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: w be it's even harder my last time that I 553 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: was back, and Jeff was there a couple of years 554 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: after me, but like, it's very hard to get in 555 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: and have that one on one FaceTime with Vince Snow 556 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: and I feel like that's very important because he he 557 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: has almost become like, you know, the Wizard of Oz. 558 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: He's like the man behind the curtain, and it's very 559 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: hard to get FaceTime with him. But I think guys 560 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: have to stay driven. They have to continue to submit 561 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: ideas even if you get if you have fifty ideas 562 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,959 Speaker 1: shot down, you might get when they roll with. I mean, 563 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: I think you have to do that as part of 564 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: your obligation from creative aspect in this in this industry, Jeff. 565 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: But before I get to my last question, which is 566 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: more family driven and brother driven, did you ever hear 567 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: about the production meeting before you went over as champion? 568 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: Did anyone ever share that with you? I never did. 569 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: Is it ideas or politicking? I think it was politicing, right, Yeah, 570 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: well some of us had two politics, So yeah, I 571 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: know if Legends Stars make correct, I've read this and 572 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: heard the rumors. I would love to hear the official 573 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: story though. So this was like the craziest, coolest, most 574 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: passionate moment I ever had in not the wrestling business, 575 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: in show business. I'd never been in a position where 576 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: it was this like creative and realistic debate going back 577 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: and forth. And you've got those production meetings are like 578 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: forty people deep, right. So there was the group that 579 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: was pro Jeff winning the title, which was a larger 580 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: group in that room, and then there was a smaller 581 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: group that did not want that to happen. And it 582 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: was it was a smaller group, but their voices carried weight. 583 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, I'm sitting next to Freebird 584 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: and the conversation starts going away from all this work 585 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: and what I described out loud as sacrifice Jeff's made 586 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: as far as giving you real stuff. We can't take 587 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: this away. But I'm seeing it getting taken away, and 588 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: Freebirds starts squeezing my wrist, like, get get up, get up. 589 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: You gotta say something. You gotta because if he He's 590 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: like if I, if I do it, that they won't 591 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: go for it. And so I'm sitting there and literally 592 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: like he's got a wrestler's grip. You know, it's no joke. 593 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,719 Speaker 1: I'm feeling it, man, I'm like, oh my god. So 594 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: I stand up and I start giving that that speech 595 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: where it's like, yo, man, this guy's sacrificed so much 596 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: and he's given so much, and I know there's been 597 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: you know, choices, We're not going to call him mistakes, 598 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: I'll call them choices, But damn, what did we do 599 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: this for if not now? And it keeps going back 600 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: and forth, And finally, and I had looked up the 601 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: numbers on your merchandise sales because I was paranoid that 602 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: something like this might happen. And over the last six months, 603 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: you had outsold everyone in the company at that time, 604 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: including the person that was most against this decision, and 605 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 1: that was my aces Spades that I that I had, 606 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: no not that one, and it was it was three letters, 607 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: They're all this, they were all the same. So I'm 608 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: sitting there, I'm like, man, if I pull this card, 609 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: it's it's my last move. Like I'm not gonna be 610 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: able to like outshoot that. So I had to wait 611 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: for everybody to get there saying and then finally I 612 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: just went All those armed bands out there, all those 613 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: crazy Spider Man looking things, they're on every single person 614 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: in the crowd. This man has sold more merchandise than 615 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: every single person, including the people in this room, over 616 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: the last six months because of the sacrifices he's put 617 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: in this story. Those people believe in him. That's why 618 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: they're buying that even though they already have three of them. 619 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: They're putting on four and five over that because they 620 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: actually believe in this. And I remember Kevin Dunn when 621 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: I mentioned the Mercht numbers because I'm not gonna throw 622 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: your business out there, but I said what they were 623 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: because we had access to all that stuff in the company, 624 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: and Kevin Dunn just went only ship and once he 625 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: said that, I was like, Oh, we're good. And then 626 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: Vince goes, all right, everybody get out of here, and 627 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: he throws us all out except you know a few people. 628 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: I wasn't in those people. Neither was Freebird. And we 629 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: go out and DJ and I are both like, it's 630 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: it's on, It's on. And I'm like, I'm going to 631 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: tell Jeff and Freeber. It's like, you're not telling Thatnie 632 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: to spot over again. You gotta wait till they come out. 633 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, what, what what do you mean? 634 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: He goes, if they if you come out, if they 635 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: come out here and they see you celebrating Freddy, I 636 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: swear to God to be the last thing you work. 637 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: And I'm like all right. I'm like, all right, I'll 638 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: keep it cool. I'll keep it cool. And so I've 639 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: tried to keep it cool in DJ's elbow and be like, dude, 640 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: I can't believe we're gonna get this because DJ shot 641 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: all this stuff, almost all the stuff that I wrote 642 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: for you, Like I remember where he took. He was 643 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: in London with you when you did that great Undertaker 644 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: bit with him at the London Show, and uh so 645 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: he was very heavily invested in this as well. And 646 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the naysayers all came out 647 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: and none of them even looked at me, And so 648 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: that's when I knew. I was like, oh, we're good, 649 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: We're good to go. And you just hear Vinceco get 650 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: in there, and free Bird goes in, and we all 651 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: go in. It's just the three of us, and he 652 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: goes nobody touches Jeff to larm aged and that's and 653 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: Freebird was just like, well, I can't say what he said, 654 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: but dude, dude, dude, it's basically what he said as 655 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: we walked out, and then we were running from that 656 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: moment forward and it was such a crazy I had 657 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: so much fun. It felt like the stakes were so high. 658 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: I never felt like the stakes were high in any 659 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: movie I ever did, or any like job that I wrote, 660 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: or if I did, I just couldn't. It wasn't at 661 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: that level, but the stakes felt so high because of 662 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: that energy that you described in the beginning of this. 663 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: It was real old man like those fans when they 664 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: and I never had that. Like my fanship was more 665 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: girls who wanted to fall in love in the nineties, right, 666 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: but it was never but but for real like Matt's 667 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: were real about you know, like his popularity and who 668 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: loves him and who respects him. And I have a 669 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: good perspective on that too, probably because we're older Matt 670 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: and we have wisdom. But Jeff had this way where 671 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: you just give more than guys like me, and people 672 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: respect that and they love that. And that energy was real. 673 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: I've heard comedians talk about that, that energy, and it's 674 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: such a I said this before I think I even 675 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: said it to you, and we were working together. I said, dude, 676 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: you're wrestling is like a Jackson Pollock painting. It's like 677 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: it's like your vomiting emotion all over a literal canvas, 678 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: except it's actual blood, sweat and tears and face paint 679 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: on a literal canvas. I was like, it's the true 680 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: definition of our and I've always described you as that way, 681 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: as Jackson Pollock, whereas like hard Matt is literally like 682 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: Andy Warhol, like what's next? What are the people gonna 683 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: be looking for? What's next? And then he hits him 684 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: with it. And so to see these two complete like, 685 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: no way Andy Warhol and Jackson Pollock ever hung out, 686 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: No way they could live on the same compound together. 687 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: So my my final question is I'm an only child. 688 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,959 Speaker 1: My brother, my son, and my daughter fight all the time. 689 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have as well. How have you 690 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: guys managed to keep this bond, to stay so tight 691 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: and to be like the true definition of brothers. I 692 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: used to ask my mom at Christmas, I don't want 693 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: any presents. I just want a brother. She's like, Babe, 694 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: I have my tubes, tide, that's not happening. So she 695 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: had twenty three hours of labor with me. She was done. 696 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: But how how have you guys done this? Man? And 697 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: maybe there's no answer, and that's fine too, but how 698 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: how have you guys managed you said thirty years used 699 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,879 Speaker 1: eighteen and sixteen. That's insane. You guys are still doing 700 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: this at the highest levels. Yeah, it should be. It's 701 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: a beautiful history that will never bet. It's the story 702 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: you know of us, and he has the you know. 703 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 1: For me, it's just like faith and hope. I over 704 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: pray all the time. I talked to something more than me, 705 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: like every day, and I believe in that. I I 706 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: really feel like, you know, our mom died young, and 707 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: we we very much modeled ourselves after her in many ways, 708 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: um until we had in wrestling, and then those guys 709 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: kind of tour away hand us and get us all 710 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: all screwed up. But obviously we're not gonna blame that 711 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 1: on pro wrestling. UM. You know. I just feel like 712 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 1: from early on, we just realized, like whenever our mom passed, 713 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: I remember our dad said to us, and he was there, 714 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: and our dad's like a real hard Southern man. First 715 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,720 Speaker 1: time we've ever saw him cry, and he said, like, guys, 716 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: we have to be strong, we have to go on 717 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: for her. That's what she would want. So I just 718 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: even from that moment on, I feel like there was 719 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: a very special bond where there's been times where we've 720 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: been at each other's throats, we've had disagreements or whatever, 721 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: but we always know our bond as brothers are is 722 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: very special and it will always come back and it 723 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 1: always be there. Even if we have a just agreement 724 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: or there's a period where we're on different pages, we 725 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: always get back on the same page every single time. 726 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: And I just think we understand how special it is. 727 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: And that's something I really try and reinforce in in 728 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: my kids. I have three young boys, you know, Maxwell, 729 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: Woffie and Barty his brothers. Like guys, your brothers, you're 730 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: gonna fight with them, You're gonna argue, especially when you're younger. 731 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: Now you're gonna fight all the time. But remember they 732 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: are the most important people in your life, Like you 733 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 1: can always depend on them, and I think we know 734 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: that we can always depend on one another, no regardless 735 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: of what the situation or scenario is. Yeah, for sure. 736 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: I have the hearty girls like Ruby and Near a man. 737 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: Eleven and six is crazy when you look back at 738 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: everything and it really does fly by. But like Matt's 739 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: like little boys, man, they're so entertaining. I'll tell you 740 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: a real quick story. They were on the motocross track 741 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: one day, like and they were all playing and Wolfie 742 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: wanted the snack, you know, so he was trying to 743 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: go in our house. We have dogs in the house. 744 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: We have a lot of too many dogs. Thinking about 745 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: he's he's not at home. We were like out on 746 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: the motocross track and they're running up down the hill 747 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: and was going towards my house to go go get 748 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: a snack, you know, and and Matt said, woof where 749 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: are you going? I need I need a snack. Where 750 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: you gonna get it from? He said, from the fridge, 751 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 1: of course, so broken, No you can't. There's dogs in there. 752 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: They'll they'll buy you or something. Matt, what you had 753 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 1: like a kangaroo, damn zebra? Yeah, kala, bears and all 754 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: kinds of ship Yeah, some of the best. What was 755 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 1: your kangaroo's name was smoking Joe Frasier, the kingoo man, 756 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: the Kingaroo, his vessel. It contained the essence, the joke 757 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: of smoking Joe Frasier. You know, I new smoking in 758 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: a minute decades ago, and now I've kept track of 759 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: his essence and his essences now in this kangaroo. So 760 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: he would teach us how to strike with his hans 761 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: and feet. Yo. That's what got me back in touch 762 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: with you on social media because I was like, yod, 763 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: what character is this guy created? Now? Like I legit 764 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: reached out to you. I was like, what what is 765 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 1: going on? Of the hell are you? This is years 766 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: ago now, but Lily Man, I can't say how many 767 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 1: people how many people said that was friends with Whenever 768 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: I started doing Broken Mat and I went all in 769 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: right method, acting all the way like they said, hey, 770 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: t NA said, hey, we want to put you on 771 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 1: Meltzer show. You know, he wants you to do the 772 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: whole show, you know, because it's gonna getting hot whatever. 773 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,320 Speaker 1: I said, you know, it's like it's gonna be like 774 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: fifty minutes. He said, So it is that cool? You know, 775 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: they're just like talking wrestling, said, you tell Dave if 776 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on there. It's all Broken Mat, the 777 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 1: whole whow It's the whole gimmick. I'm not I'm not changing. 778 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 1: And I did everything in gimmick. People were contacting me 779 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: going like hey, bro, man, is everything all right? Like 780 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: I just want to see, like make sure you hadn't 781 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: fell off or anything. Man, it's everything cool, Like you 782 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: need me to come up and stay with you or 783 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: help you out. It's everything cool. And I was like, oh, 784 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: I'm good, I said, I've never been better. I said, 785 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,720 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to suck everyone into into this broken 786 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: universe I'm creating. Bro. I would send those videos to 787 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: Karen Culkin, who used to be like my wrestling show 788 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 1: running mate back in the day, like he's been thrown 789 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: out of Wrestling Show. He was such like a psychophane 790 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: and um to the best actor on HBO, but he 791 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: started off as a psycho fan and I literally be like, yo, Checko, 792 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: what hard he's doing? And he literally straight back, you know, 793 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: what the funk is going on right now? But we 794 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: loved it, man, we loved it. So a little insight 795 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: into that there's this place like fifteen minutes from us, 796 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: which is so crazy because we live out in the 797 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: middle of rural North Carolina, obviously little po dunk Town, Cameron. 798 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: There's this place where there's a little privately owned zoo 799 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: and they had these couple of animals they had, like 800 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, the giraffe was George Washington. He was always 801 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: a bit and like Jeremy boor Rash who was shooting 802 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: all that stuff. Loved going out there and I was like, 803 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:38,879 Speaker 1: I mean, I would talk to these animals like I'm 804 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: talking to you right now. I would be fully invested, 805 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: you know, with whatever we're doing, and this is a 806 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: great story. The first sound with Smoking Joe, we were there. 807 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 1: I said, yes, I said, brother Nero, you know, I said, 808 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: I have established a very special boxing match. He's going 809 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: to help us with our strikes so we can take 810 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: out the books of youth. And I said, yeah, let 811 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,919 Speaker 1: me to get into And I'm sure how Smoking Joe works, 812 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: I said. And then like they told us, they said, 813 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: this guy's an older Kingaroo. They said, he throws some 814 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: pretty vicious kids, but he's the most tame of the 815 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,240 Speaker 1: three we have. So if you guys are gonna shoot 816 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: some with him and be best do with him. And 817 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: he one time rare up into a real hard kick. 818 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,959 Speaker 1: And then I remember, I told you so, brother Nero, 819 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: you're such a spot monkey. You jump off the top rope, 820 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: off every purcabaable. You should fight him fust And the 821 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 1: cameras was like, and I had him the Kingaroo first, 822 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: I want to see how bad the damage was, Just 823 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: like I got, I'm sitting there with Dr Doolittle and 824 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: I gotta take a book from a real kangaroo. And 825 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: the jet locked up the man, I was like, and 826 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: he kicked the shot, and then and then after Jeff went, 827 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: I said, dude, I said, I said, dude. I said, 828 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: all right, man, I said, I'll go bad thank you 829 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 1: man for taking the first bull. I said, I'll go, 830 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: I'll go. And I was in there and I looked 831 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: up with him. He started kicking me and he was 832 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: kicking the ship out of my knee, and I thought, 833 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: he's gonna bug on my knee. I was gonna have 834 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: to go in and jale surgery and in character and brokemancing, Yes, 835 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: punish me, Joe, punish me. And I was like, I'd 836 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,800 Speaker 1: getting wrong. I had to run out of there. You 837 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: to tap out, bro You gotta get locked up with 838 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: the room. Oh my god, Oh my god. No one 839 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 1: else could ever tell that unless they live in Australia. 840 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,399 Speaker 1: Nobody else can tell that story. Listen to you, guys. 841 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate both of you so much for taking time 842 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 1: out of your day, from taking time away from the 843 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 1: Animal Kingdom and from the Hardy Compound and from flying 844 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 1: all over the place. Matt, keep that active brain of 845 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: yours going, keep reinventing, keep evolving. I love it. Jeff, 846 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: keep living in the moment. Brother. I hope you're still painting. 847 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: I hope you're still making music. If not, please start again. 848 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 1: A balanced artist is a happy artist, so please continue. 849 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: I'm I'm playing at the Whiskey on June second. Yeah, 850 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,439 Speaker 1: please come out if you can. Man the Whiskey. Where 851 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,439 Speaker 1: where where on sunset and l a, get out of here. 852 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: The Whiskey the legendary place, my Whiskey. Dude, I haven't 853 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: been there, And dude, I would love to come see you. 854 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: Jazarian like Kazarians bands opening up for us, so it's 855 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: like a full band. Then it's like a ghostic a 856 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: second like Whiskey nice too. Oh dude, well ship l 857 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: A show up, show up? All right, you guys. I 858 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: appreciate you both. Lots of love to you both, and 859 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,839 Speaker 1: uh to everybody listening, thank you for the time. And 860 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: this was wrestling with Freddy. This has been a production 861 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,759 Speaker 1: of I Hearts Michael podcast Network. For more podcasts for 862 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: My Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 863 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Yeah,