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Speaker 1: This is Wins and Losses with Clay Trevis. Clay talks

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Speaker 1: Now here's Clay Trevis. Welcome into the Winds and Lost

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Speaker 1: his podcast. Hope you guys have been enjoying all the

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Speaker 1: the feedback that we've gotten so far. So I believe

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Speaker 1: he is currently in Montana at his cabin. We bring

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Speaker 1: that question. I've never been to Montana before. I believe

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Speaker 1: What is it about Montana that appeals to you and

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Speaker 1: lot of questions that right away, Clay, it's you know what,

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Speaker 1: It's just it's a great place. And yeah I am.

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Speaker 1: the place you know very well. Uh, we're just kind

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Speaker 1: be an announcement this afternoon tonight that we're looking at

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Speaker 1: the possibility of moving the inn Shies to Nashville. And

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Speaker 1: I'm never forget saying, well, what do you mean, maybe, well,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna I go, well, I've got to tell the team,

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Speaker 1: because no, you have to No, I have to tell

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Speaker 1: the team. And so I told this team, and I'll

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Speaker 1: never forget the looks on their face when I told

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Speaker 1: him that. It was like you, we just lost an

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Speaker 1: overtime playoff game. It's just rocked their world. And here

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Speaker 1: you are in the preseason. And so we go back

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Speaker 1: to Houston. All things are just flying crazy all over

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Speaker 1: and and then the next week we have a preseason

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Speaker 1: game canceled, and then there's lawsuits and referendums and stadium

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Speaker 1: issues and it was just a miss my first first year.

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Speaker 1: Six we stayed there and then we moved to ninety seven.

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Speaker 1: So we found out in June ninety seven, after being

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Speaker 1: lame duck in Houston for two years, that we were leaving.

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Speaker 1: This is June, mind you, and you remember the kicker

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Speaker 1: out Dell grec Al had deposits in schools for his

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Speaker 1: kids in Houston, in Nashville, and in Birmingham because he

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Speaker 1: didn't know where he was going to live. And so

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Speaker 1: we are we packed up and moved in a month,

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Speaker 1: no place to move to. It hadn't built a temporary facility,

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Speaker 1: and we had training camp a t sue. So that

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Speaker 1: started the whole deal in then of course, you know,

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Speaker 1: we played in Memphis nine, which was a disaster, right

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Speaker 1: for people who don't know that the rivalry between Nashville

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Speaker 1: and Memphis. You guys were based in Nashville, and then

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Speaker 1: what would you do get on planes and fly down

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Speaker 1: to Memphis or did you we flew? We flew. That

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Speaker 1: was our home games. And that was the same question

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Speaker 1: that the players asked, because they go, so, coach, let

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Speaker 1: me get this tax. So we're moving to Nashville, but

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Speaker 1: we're playing in Memphis. Yeah, that's right. So how far

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Speaker 1: is Memphis and Nasha Well, it's you know, I didn't

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Speaker 1: want to say two hundred miles. But so we're gonna fly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna fly. We're gonna be able to go back

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Speaker 1: home with the Nashville with our families after him, No,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to fly back really so yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I would fly back home and I'd have dinner ready

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Speaker 1: for Julian the kids before they got they drove back

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Speaker 1: from It was a sixteen game road season. So and

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Speaker 1: then we got closer. That didn't work out and they

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Speaker 1: moved into Vanderbilt, and then obviously the rest of history

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Speaker 1: be sure to catch live editions of I would kicked

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Speaker 1: the coverage with Clay Travis week days at six am Eastern,

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Speaker 1: three am Pacific. We're talking to Jeff Fisher. I'm Clay

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Speaker 1: Travis is the Wins and Losses Podcast. Then you move

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Speaker 1: into Vanderbilt, then you move into lp Field, so uh

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Speaker 1: or I don't remember at Delphia Coliseum. You're right. So

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Speaker 1: let's go back for a second to the drafting of

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Speaker 1: Steve McNair, because for a lot of people out there,

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Speaker 1: that's really when they became aware of both you and

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Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans, Right, Eddie, George Steve McNair, When did

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Speaker 1: you and how did the the Houston Oilers come to

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Speaker 1: draft Steve McNair. What do you remember about him as

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Speaker 1: you went through that draft process. That's a great, great question,

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Speaker 1: and we um we had gone down Floyd and I

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Speaker 1: uh and then our director, one of our player personnel

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Speaker 1: directors in our offensive cording at the time, Jerry Rome.

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Speaker 1: We went down to Alcorn first Seas Pro day and

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Speaker 1: we spent time with Steve and his mom, move Seal.

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Speaker 1: She had a big barbecue out there after the pro day,

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Speaker 1: and Steve threw the ball around and we got him

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Speaker 1: on the board and just absolutely loved him and there

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Speaker 1: was no doubt that he was our guy. Just loved

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Speaker 1: everything about Steve and his family and you know, his agent,

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Speaker 1: Bus Cook, and it was just a matchmate. And so

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Speaker 1: fast forward Friday night before the draft. This is expansion draft,

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Speaker 1: So this is Carolina Jacksonville's first go around. The league's

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Speaker 1: just expanded from thirty to thirty two teams, so Caroline's

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville's two and we were three Friday night, Carolina trades

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Speaker 1: with uh the trade out to Cincinnati. Cincinnati goes to

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Speaker 1: one Friday night and then on Saturday, Cincinnati draft John

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Speaker 1: the Carter Now and I'm afraid that they might take

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Speaker 1: a quarterback at that time or what just what happens.

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Speaker 1: So now Jacksonville is on the clock and all we

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Speaker 1: hear about is Tony BISSELLI that's what they want. They

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Speaker 1: already they had this expansion thing in the draft and

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Speaker 1: they got Mark Brunell and so you know, we're pretty

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Speaker 1: sure that they want Tony Boselli tackle from the USC.

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Speaker 1: So we get a call there on the clock. So

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Speaker 1: I get the call from Tom Coughlin and coach Coplin says, hey, uh,

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Speaker 1: I got somebody that wants to move up to get

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Speaker 1: your quarterback, I'll take a fourth from you and switch

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Speaker 1: spots that you can get your quarterback and we'll get

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Speaker 1: our guy. And Floyd turned the worst color and just

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Speaker 1: hung up, and I thought the world was gonna end.

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Speaker 1: And and because Mr Adams plane is there in New

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Speaker 1: York to pick up Ease and we cannot not draft Steve.

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Speaker 1: And so anyway, this bluff process took place for about

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Speaker 1: ten minutes. I think there's twenty. Does that feel like,

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Speaker 1: by the way, when you're getting bluffed to like that,

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Speaker 1: like how you know what? Floyd just he saw a

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Speaker 1: big picture. I was just focused on and there's no

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Speaker 1: way he's bluffing you. When somebody knows who you want,

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Speaker 1: especially if they're ahead of you, they're gonna get You're

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Speaker 1: gonna pay for it because they're gonna bluff you and

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Speaker 1: to pick the switch spot. So anyway, it finally after

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Speaker 1: calls back and forth, you know, I'll give you six no, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you a fifth. No, And I finally just

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Speaker 1: set Floyd just just believe me. Trust they're gonna take Baselli.

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Speaker 1: And then Floyd looked at me. Never wanted to look

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Speaker 1: at like at me again, like he did, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: if this is not right, you're freaking dead. And and

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Speaker 1: we said no, and then um, you could hear Mr

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Speaker 1: Taglabus say, but the second take in the Jacksonville and

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Speaker 1: we went, oh my gosh. And then they took Tommy Bully,

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Speaker 1: so we got Steve. So yeah, it was it was

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Speaker 1: a great time. It was a great time for the organization.

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Speaker 1: And then of course we took our time. You know,

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Speaker 1: we we had Chris Chandler and and Steve played sparently

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Speaker 1: here and there for a couple of years off and

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Speaker 1: on when we were ahead and we're behind, and when

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Speaker 1: we're eliminated, and he got he got the opportunity in

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Speaker 1: the year three became a full time starter. So so

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Speaker 1: that's ninety five six seven, year three when we moved there,

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Speaker 1: he's a full time starter. Rolls around and people are asking, well,

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Speaker 1: what great Steve? Tell him? Tell us what kind of

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Speaker 1: quarterback is? Is he a top ten quarterback or top

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Speaker 1: five quarterback? And I said, you know, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he's the top five or top ten quarterback, but

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Speaker 1: I know if he's a top three football player. And

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Speaker 1: that was went to Super Bowl and so you also

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Speaker 1: it's in for people who may not remember this transition.

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Speaker 1: P You guys had to basically create a new fan

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00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: base in the city of Nashville, Tennessee. Obviously college football

555
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: was already wild, but the NFL people tended to root

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Speaker 1: for the guys who played for their favorite college teams, right,

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Speaker 1: especially a CEC fan base for people who are listening

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Speaker 1: to us and may not be familiar with the sporting landscape.

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Speaker 1: You get Steve McNair, you get Eddie George, you get

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Speaker 1: Frank why Chick, you get Blame Bishop, a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys who become Al del Greco, who you mentioned, sort

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Speaker 1: of iconic lynch pens of the community. Later on you

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Speaker 1: would do this again and move to another market with

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Speaker 1: the Rams, and we'll get to that in a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But how important and how much work did you guys

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Speaker 1: spend on things that had nothing to do with football

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Speaker 1: and everything with building the brand of the Titans and

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Speaker 1: the NFL in the market. Well, for two years prior

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Speaker 1: to the ore, you know, to nine the first year there,

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Speaker 1: even though we're in Memphis, and for two years to

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Speaker 1: an off season, we're doing nothing but caravans with the

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Speaker 1: voice of the Titans, Mike Keith, who's still there, who's

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Speaker 1: still there? Whoa? And and so we're caravanning all over

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Speaker 1: the state, cross Fille, you know, Knoxville, Cooksville, and just

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00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: meeting people and shaking hands and kissing beighties. And we

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Speaker 1: did that for several years. And uh, but deep down

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00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: inside we knew that winning was going to take care

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Speaker 1: of everything. But we have to do this. In addition

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Speaker 1: to that, you're gonna have to go in the community.

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Speaker 1: And it didn't take us long to realize how important

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Speaker 1: the community was to Nashville. Because when you drive down

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Speaker 1: the street and Franklin and Vince gill is playing doing

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Speaker 1: a benefit concert at Franklin High School because his daughter's

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Speaker 1: going there, you know that people get back here. And

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Speaker 1: so that was what we're all about. And and I

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Speaker 1: think we set that tone with respect to the players,

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Speaker 1: the ones you mentioned that that became those those those

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Speaker 1: popular people in Nashville, the iconic people to Kevin Dyson's

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Speaker 1: and all those guys are still there and they realized

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Speaker 1: that and there to this day are still giving back.

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Speaker 1: So that was a great experience. But then, you know,

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Speaker 1: so so now we go, we open in that stadium,

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Speaker 1: against Cincinnati on a hot September Sunday afternoon. I mean

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Speaker 1: it is really hot, and there's nine minutes us to

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Speaker 1: go in the game, we're down by there's five left,

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00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: and we're down by nine, and we come back. Steve

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00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: puts two drives together and we put ten points on

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Speaker 1: the board and we My memory doesn't serve me right,

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00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: but I think it was like a thirty four game

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Speaker 1: and we beat them. And we don't beat Cincinnati because

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00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: we could not stop Jeff Blake. We don't beat him

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Speaker 1: if he doesn't cramp up and go out of the

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Speaker 1: game and not return because it was so hot. So

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Speaker 1: we win that game and one that we won the

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Speaker 1: first one we're on defeated at home here. So what

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Speaker 1: better scenario could you have when you open a new

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Speaker 1: stadium and you go undefeated at home and you end

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Speaker 1: up with those those amazing playoff experiences won the Music

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Speaker 1: City Miracle to go to go to jackson or go

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Speaker 1: to go to Indy and beat Indy and then three

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Speaker 1: go to Jacksonville, haven't beat them twice and then have

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Speaker 1: to beat them a third time, and they only had

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Speaker 1: two losses that year. And we beat Jacksonville for a

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Speaker 1: third time, the championship game came back and then how

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Speaker 1: do week turn around? Had to go to Atlanta? Al Right,

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Speaker 1: so my dad's a season ticket holder. When I'm a

617
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: kid growing up, at this point, I go to all

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Speaker 1: those games. Uh, the music I want to go to

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Speaker 1: the Music City Miracle game because it has become one

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Speaker 1: of the most iconic plays in all of NFL history.

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Speaker 1: I believe you designed the play the home run throwback

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Speaker 1: featuring Lorenz O'Neil, Frank Whychick, and Kevin Dyson. How did

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Speaker 1: that play come about? And for people out there who

624
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: don't really know the scene, this is a home playoff game.

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00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: The team has just opened this brand new stadium. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a hard fought game. They bring in

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Speaker 1: Rob John then I think and start him over Doug Flutie.

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Speaker 1: It's the and it looks like all is lost. They

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Speaker 1: bombed through a long field goal. There's twenty three seconds

630
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Speaker 1: left or something like that. Uh, and you're thinking, what

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Speaker 1: on the sidelines, Gold go back? Yeah, I'm gonna go

632
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: back because for years, Um, we had worked practice every

633
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Speaker 1: Saturday the Stanford Cow play. Remember that everybody knows the

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00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: Stanford Cow. Well, we had a Stanford cow team. It

635
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: was guy who was athletic guys, not big guys, but

636
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Speaker 1: left handed, right handed guys that could just throw the

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Speaker 1: ball around and keep it alive. And so we worked

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Speaker 1: it for years. Well prior to the nine nine season,

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Speaker 1: Coach Lowry are Teams coach came to me and he goes, hey,

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Speaker 1: I was just doing some stuff over the summer and

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Speaker 1: I found this play. I wants to take a look

642
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Speaker 1: at it. And so it was. It was back in

643
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Speaker 1: the sixties. It was a Texas, Texas A and M

644
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Speaker 1: or somebody, and he showed this play and there was

645
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Speaker 1: method to the madness, and I said, I love it.

646
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Speaker 1: Let's let's put it in. So we worked that play

647
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Speaker 1: every Saturday a prior to a Sunday game throughout the

648
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: ninete season. Now we get into this situation here we

649
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: are just like you say, twenty three seconds left, that

650
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: kicked the field goal. We're down and TV time out

651
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Speaker 1: and Alan walks up and we simultaneously say home run

652
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: throwback is what we named it. And so I'm Kevin.

653
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: Derek Mason is our primary deep guy and Derek is

654
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: out he has a concussion. His back up as Anthony

655
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: Dorset Jr. Who worked in practice, and he's out because

656
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: he's cramping. He cramped every week, seemed like. But um

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Speaker 1: so now I go to Kevin Dyce on the sideline.

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00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: I say, Kevin, hey, remember home runs over back? We

659
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Speaker 1: practiced it every saturday. Kevin goes, Coach, I never really

660
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 1: paid attention. So I say, Okay, here's the deal really,

661
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Speaker 1: And this is while the crowd is going crazy. Literally

662
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: the crowd is starting to leave because behind and there's

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Speaker 1: twenty three seconds last, and so it's like, Kevin, don't

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Speaker 1: care what happens where the ball goes. I want you

665
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Speaker 1: to stay five yards behind the ball right here on

666
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: these numbers. See he goes, yeah, Cooks, I got you.

667
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: So five yards obviously translates into you know, five five inches.

668
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Speaker 1: But nonetheless, we worked at Clay. We worked every kick

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Speaker 1: during the year except for that blue kick. We would

670
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: punch balls to every single player on that team, and

671
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: their job was again at the frank. And then we

672
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: start to play and and I see the ball go

673
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: up in the air and oh my gosh, you know

674
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: what you want to do with it? Well, Low didn't

675
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: want to have anything to do with that. He caught

676
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: and gave it to Frank, and when when he gave

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Speaker 1: it to Frank, I see Kevin kind on the corner

678
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Speaker 1: my I standing back. And then when Frank gets the

679
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: ball back, I see the far official Byron Boston was

680
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: his name outstanding NFL there, So I see him push

681
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: his point backwards, which means he's ruled a ladder on

682
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Speaker 1: the field. And then Kevin starts out the sidelining and

683
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: here he goes, and I'm I'm kind of watching this thing,

684
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Speaker 1: and I'm going because we I think a field. Yeah,

685
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Speaker 1: we're down by a field goal ties, and so I'm

686
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: kind of saying, Kevin, get out of bounce bounces, and

687
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: I looked down the further and saw I go, oh

688
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: man scar and he scores. So now the place is

689
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 1: going nuts. And I knew that there's really no way

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Speaker 1: they could overturn this on the field, because I was

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Speaker 1: familiar with replay and I knew it was ruled the

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Speaker 1: ladder on the field, and so I'm a step further. Okay,

693
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: now if this is they do not overturn this, and

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00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: this stays, and the ruin on the field stands. We're

695
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: up by five and I gotta go for two. But

696
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: I thought to myself. Two things. One, if once this

697
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: announcement comes, there's no way we'll be able to run

698
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: an offensive play. And to what the odds of this

699
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: happening twice in the same game. And I don't know

700
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Speaker 1: if you remember, but my my heart was in my

701
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Speaker 1: throat because is on that kickoff they got that ball

702
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Speaker 1: out to midfield and the game ended. Yeah and uh yeah,

703
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: So it was amazing experience in that locker room, and

704
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: it was just that set us, you know, that set

705
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Speaker 1: us on fire for you know, for the next week.

706
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Speaker 1: So I was in the north end zone there where

707
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Speaker 1: in scoring. Are you one of those hundred thousand people

708
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Speaker 1: that weren't there? I will swear to the God I

709
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: stayed and I was with my dad, who had the tickets.

710
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Speaker 1: You know, I was a college kid at the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who say that they

712
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Speaker 1: were there, and I can remember there were a lot

713
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Speaker 1: of people streaming out, and there were a lot of

714
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Speaker 1: people who came running back when they heard the stadium

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Speaker 1: erupt over what had happened. Uh. And so that's really

716
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Speaker 1: I think where you guys sort of become on the

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Speaker 1: national stage. Right up until that point, you had a

718
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Speaker 1: good year I think thirteen and three or something along

719
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: that in the regular season. But people are like, Oh,

720
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Speaker 1: is this gonna work in Nashville. What in the world's

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Speaker 1: going on? You played in Memphis, you played at Vanderbilt,

722
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: new stadium, new new coach, relative speaking, a new quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and then you go on the road, I think, and

724
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Speaker 1: beat Indie. And then you say probably the most outspoken

725
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Speaker 1: thing you've ever said as a coach before, which is,

726
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: not only do you have the home field at Adelphia,

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Speaker 1: you also say that I believe Jacksonville is one of

728
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Speaker 1: your home fields too. Well, this was after the after

729
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Speaker 1: the Jacksonville win at Jacksonville, and the story behind that was, Yeah,

730
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Speaker 1: so you know, Jacksonville's fourteen and two and they have

731
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Speaker 1: home field that you field. They beat Miami in the

732
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: first pres in the first last game, nothing or something

733
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Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, And so now we're coming down to Jacksonville.

734
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Speaker 1: Now they've lost two games and they've been both to us,

735
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Speaker 1: and so we're the chances of been losing to us

736
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Speaker 1: the third time. Well, what happens is that because this

737
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: was the last Super Bowl played, with one week between

738
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: a championship game and the Super Bowl, we had to

739
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Speaker 1: send our advanced people down immediately to Atlanta because we're playing.

740
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Speaker 1: And if this is before the game, now, okay, we

741
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: got our advanced people in Atlanta looking at the venues

742
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, preparing in case we win. If

743
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: we win, we're going. If we don't, Jacksonville goes, well,

744
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: I heard before the game that jack before the game

745
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: itself and Jacksonville that the rent a car fleet already

746
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: had Jaguar decals on it before the game. And so

747
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: we went and no, it's not. The game's over. Hey,

748
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: we're going super Bowl. We're just consumed with having to

749
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,479
Speaker 1: turn around and go down to bad weather and send

750
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: the team down there for media day and get to

751
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: keep the coaches behind the game plan and get everybody there.

752
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: So on Friday, two days before the Super Bowl and

753
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Speaker 1: the final press conference, UM, coach Couflin and I are

754
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry coach from mill and I are there and

755
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: we're taking your pictures with the Super Bowl trophy and

756
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: all that stuff and asking the final questions, and the

757
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: last question, guy in the back raise his hands and

758
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: he says, he goes, yeah, Steve, I got I got

759
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: one more. And I said, my name is Jeff, and

760
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Speaker 1: then he says, what's it like to play in four

761
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: different venues in four years? And I said, well, it's

762
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: actually five if you would include I'll tell Stadium and Jacksonville.

763
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: That's such a great one. And that's because of all

764
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: the stuff that went on, and you know, in all

765
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville just and hey, they had they had every

766
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: right to expect to be there, but they kind of

767
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: pushed us out of the way and said, hey, coach Coughlin,

768
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: and they want it this way, so we don't care

769
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: what you guys want if you come. And it was

770
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: just that kind of whole thing. So yeah, so needless

771
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: to say, I'm I'm still popular in Jacksonville. Fox Sports

772
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Speaker 1: Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.

773
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Speaker 1: Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot

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Speaker 1: com and within the I Heart Radio app. Search f

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Speaker 1: s R to listen live. I'm Clay Traviss is the

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Speaker 1: Winds and Watches podcast. We're talking of former Titans and

777
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: Rams head coach Jeff Fisher. So I didn't remember that

778
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: that there was only one week to get ready. What's

779
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: it like to win the a f C Championship game?

780
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: I know you guys came back to Nashville and had

781
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: an incredible rally. But the adrenaline can't really slow down

782
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: at all all the way through into that Super Bowl

783
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: against the Rams, right. I mean, that's crazy to think

784
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: about now that there was no Now you get that

785
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: bye week to kind of get your breath, kind of

786
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Speaker 1: get everything fixed. That's wild that you guys had to

787
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: turn around and play that quickly. Well, it's currently that

788
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: that first week is football and that's game playing, and

789
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: that's where everybody get does their stuff. Yeah, because second

790
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 1: week is travel and media day and all the other stuff.

791
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: So we didn't have that. We had to do it all. So,

792
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Speaker 1: as I said, I left the coaches behind, went with

793
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: the players for the next day. We had a meeting

794
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: until midnight after we got back from Jacksonville. And guys,

795
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: here's the deal. You get these tickets to your family,

796
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: here's where we're staying. You gotta be here packed, and

797
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: we're flying to Atlanta. And then the weather was bad,

798
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: so you know, nonetheless, we got it together and got

799
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: the plan together. Now, it did help that we had

800
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: played the Rams earlier in the year and we beat

801
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: him at home, and so we had familiarity and I

802
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: trusted the staff. It was the veteran staff, and we

803
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: got a good plan together, but still having to go

804
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl and and go out and practice

805
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: outside on ice an after turf and have to just

806
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: ask them if they could maybe bring some heaters into

807
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: the media tent because it's really cold. I mean, it was,

808
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, it was a blur. It's really just a blur.

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00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: And then you know, and then obviously it was it

810
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: was a great game. You know, it's an outstanding game.

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Speaker 1: How many times, so when you play in a Super

812
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: Bowl like that, are you coaching a Super Bowl? How

813
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: many times have you gone back and actually watched that game?

814
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: It's been twenty years now, one of the most iconic

815
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: super Bowls of all time, between you and the Rams.

816
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: How many times have you gone back and watched or

817
00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 1: gone over the decisions that you made in that game? Once? Uh? Once,

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00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: because I did uh, I did a project for somebody,

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00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: a network or somebody some special It was about five

820
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: years ago. I got the coaching tape and sat there

821
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: and looked at the coaching tape. Um, so I knew

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Speaker 1: what happened. I knew every remember we call over decision

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00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: and than all that, and you know, than the injuries

824
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: and you know all those things, and so it was

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00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: only once. So was there anything? Is there anything that

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Speaker 1: you would change? Like so when you got and there

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Speaker 1: were podcast is called wins and Losses because my contention

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00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: is that you learn as much or more from losing

829
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Speaker 1: as you do from winning. Right, uh so more so?

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Speaker 1: And I bet you would agree with that as a

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Speaker 1: as a coach. When you go back if there were

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Speaker 1: two calls or one call you could have differently in

833
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: that game, you go back and you change what. Well,

834
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know the particular call it was.

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Speaker 1: It was the philosophy. I think that it was our

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00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: first half philosophy on offense. Well, I think we got

837
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Speaker 1: caught up in this aerial surgus of the rams and

838
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: we were doing something in the first half that didn't

839
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: get us there, and we were throwing the ball around

840
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: and doing all this stuff. And so we had that

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00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: long halftime and had time to sit down and rethink

842
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: about it. And that was the deal is, you know what,

843
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: we're in this and they feel like it's over, and

844
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: we're going to stay in this and get back and

845
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: win this by doing what got us here. And that's

846
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: town in the football and playing good defense. Now, the

847
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: defense thing was hard. Marcus Robertson broke his leg in

848
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: the championship game the week before, starting free safety in

849
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: Jacksonville playing Bishop was knocked out of the game. And

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Speaker 1: so we were finishing the Super Bowl against the you know,

851
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: the greatest show on turf with with backup players at

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00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: safety position. So we were dealing with injuries, and we

853
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: had a couple of mishaps and gave up some big plays.

854
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I don't know if there's anything

855
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: you know, I've been asked so many times I had

856
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: he scored, what would you have gone for two? And

857
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: you know I I've said no, because I would not

858
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: want to rob all those players of a chance to

859
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. Um, particularly because I felt the

860
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: momentum and shifted. I felt the Rams were tired. Remember

861
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: of those clips that Kevin Carter stand on the sideline

862
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: and coach for Meal going what are you doing here?

863
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they were tired, and I thought things would

864
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: have changed. But um, you know the last play, I mean,

865
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: do you change the last flight? Not? I just kind

866
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: of I think we all wished maybe Kevin would have

867
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: pushed up another yard or two, because then um or

868
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: and then come underneath Frank and then Mike wouldn't have

869
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: made that tackle short of goal one and probably would

870
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: have walked in. But that's that's the great part of

871
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: the game. And and then you know, just emotions. And

872
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: I think what's interesting to point out here what was

873
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: lost in all that was was what happened a couple

874
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: of days after that. And so the game's over, we regroup,

875
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: we get back to Nashville, we have that great parade

876
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: there and the fans were just amazing, and the parase over.

877
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: I think it's Tuesday afternoon and and the Pro Bowls

878
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: that following is coming Sunday, and and Eddie walks in.

879
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: Eddie George walks into my office and he sits down

880
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,919
Speaker 1: and he just got this look. He goes. He goes, Jeff,

881
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to Hawaii. I go what

882
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: he's talking about? It? You're crazy? What are's talking about?

883
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 1: He goes, No, I don't want to go. I'll go. Eddie.

884
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: You were you were voted by the your peers and

885
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: the fans, and you're going to Hawaii. You you know,

886
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: you gotta go. What talk to me? What's going on?

887
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: What's gonna do? Your mind because I want to go

888
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: there because I want to start on next year right now.

889
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: And it was that was typical of that team, and so, um,

890
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: you know that's what we did. I mean we did

891
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: and I think to a certain extent, you know, I

892
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: may have failed Steve in that offseason, um, because he

893
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: hit a wall in the following year in two thousand,

894
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: came out of it. Actually was going to retire, he

895
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: was done, He's gonna quit after an early game against

896
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: Kansas City and a hard hit and the start of injury.

897
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: And but you know, we found ourselves and we regrouped.

898
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: And that next team, if you remember in two thousand,

899
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: I thought it was better than team and we had

900
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: a week off and then we couldn't find a way

901
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: to beat Baltimore in the first round of playoffs. Yeah,

902
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: I want to get to that. In a sec we're

903
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: talking to Jeff Fisher. But I want to go back

904
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: to the end of the Super Bowl. There are relatively

905
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: few people ever in sports or in life, who will

906
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: have something so close to ultimate victory and be so

907
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: in meshed in it, and be so all in on

908
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: it and have it come to an end so quickly.

909
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: It's like a basket getting drained in the n C

910
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: Double A tournament when you think you have a chance

911
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: at the championship, right, what does that moment feel like

912
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: to you on the sideline when Kevin Dyson is tackled

913
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: and he's reaching out to the gold line and it's

914
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: so close. Your immediate feeling is what your immediate mindset is? What? Well? Um,

915
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: you know you got a great job team us up um.

916
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: It was a numbing feeling. And uh, it's hard to

917
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: explain that, you know, the feeling you have as it

918
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: relates to being so close one moment before and then

919
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: then the reality is is that it's you didn't get

920
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: it done. And I remember walking. I never found coach

921
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: for meal, but I found Steve and he was on

922
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: a knee and I don't knelt down next to him,

923
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: and and then Lynd Swan came up and he was

924
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: covering sideline and he wanted to know what what what

925
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: our conversation was? Which tell him and I said that

926
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: was between Steve and I and and then we got

927
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: back in the locker room and it was just it

928
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: was just really really just hard. It was different, and

929
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, I remember standing up um doing the postgame

930
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: press conference outside the locker room and just the cameras

931
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: and the people, and I squinting to the bright lights

932
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: of the cameras, and I could see my kids way

933
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: in the back against the wall, and my my kids

934
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: were crying. They're young, but you know, it's just like wow.

935
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: And then of course, over a period of like ten

936
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: minutes or fifteen minutes or so, I got two phone calls,

937
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: one from President Clinton and one from Vice President Al Gore. Both,

938
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean, top came with so much energy and enthusiasm

939
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: and excitement about what a great game. And I remember

940
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: reminded that what we lost. But no, you know, but

941
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: so you know those things, I mean, those those memories,

942
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, they last the lifetime. But yeah, it's it's

943
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: not an easy thing. It's some then it takes time.

944
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: I mean you say it takes time. You asked me

945
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: how many times I watched the game, and I watched

946
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: it once as I had to. So but it's, um,

947
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's it was a great experience. I mean

948
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: it's sometimes you you know, life is, Life's not easy.

949
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: And there, as you say two, you know you're gonna

950
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 1: learn more from from a loss. And any coach, any

951
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: person can stand in front of an NFL team on

952
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: Monday after a win. That's easy. That's how you handle that,

953
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: and how you handle the loss, and how you keep

954
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: it in perspective, and how you get behind you and

955
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: how you learn from it so it doesn't happen again.

956
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: You know, players, some players only dread coming to work.

957
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 1: I want him to look forward to come to work.

958
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: It's the only chance to overcome difficult times. But yeah,

959
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: it was. It was amazing experience. It was all short too,

960
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: you know. I don't know why the league just all

961
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden decided that two weeks between it when

962
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: we just had one. But um, you know, I'll do

963
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: it all over again. What did you tell? You said,

964
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: that's between a player and a coach. And I want

965
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: to get to Steve McNair uh and uh, and you're

966
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: continuing relationship with him and where you were when his

967
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: when his untimely death happened, and what that experience was

968
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: like for you. But you said that's between a player

969
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: and a coach. The player is no longer around. What

970
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: did you tell Steve McNair So you I've never told

971
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: anybody this. I'll tell you. I appreciate that Tony Um.

972
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: You know, he kind of remember kind of I put

973
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: my arm on his pad and he put his arm

974
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: around me, and I go, hey, man, I said, I

975
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: love you. I said, here's the reason we're here right now.

976
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: And he said, no, you are. And he says we're

977
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: coming back and I said, you bet we are. And

978
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: that was pretty much it, you know, but it was

979
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: it was really it was. It was an amazing moment,

980
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, amazing moment. And you know he's so he

981
00:51:54,320 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: was so competitive and tough, and he know just so

982
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: misunderstood I think by the average fan that his depths

983
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: and his fires, competitiveness and his will and you know,

984
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: it just was all there. I mean, it's just right there,

985
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: and as in his breath, you know, after after that play,

986
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: you and he had. It seems as coaches and quarterbacks

987
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: are really the lynchpin to success. It seems to me

988
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: in the NFL that relationship and it seems to me

989
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 1: that you and he had a special relationship. You mentioned

990
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 1: the next year, you guys come back and I think

991
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: are a better team and you're at home and you

992
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: lose for the Baltimore Ravens Flukey game. Right, you go

993
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: through everything blocked field goal returned for a touchdown, busted

994
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: coverage in the secondary that leads to a big play.

995
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what the data was, but I mean,

996
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: like the Ravens put up almost no offensive yards on you, right,

997
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean it was if you just didn't sec half. Yeah,

998
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: they didn't get Okay, that's that's the way to bring

999
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: it up. That crowd again, I watched that. It's incredibly frustrating.

1000
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure does that game almost hurt you more than

1001
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl game? Because I'm just curious when you

1002
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: when you think about those teams. Everybody thinks about the

1003
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and how close you are, But you guys

1004
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: were the best team in the NFL that year. Yeah.

1005
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: I mean, not to take anything away from the Ravens,

1006
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: but was Super Bowl is the Ravens and the Giants,

1007
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: and they destroyed the Giants. Yeah, we played with the

1008
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: Giants earlier in the year, but I wouldn't say it

1009
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: didn't hurt as much as a Super Bowl. Uh. You

1010
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: know when when you block two punts and they both

1011
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: go sideways out of bounds. Yeah, you know, Eddie catches

1012
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: a checkdown and the ball bounces off his shoulder and

1013
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: Ray Lewis and to raise hands and Rape returns it

1014
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: for a touchdown. You know, it's just it was their time.

1015
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't ours. And that's uh, you know, that's a

1016
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: hard thing to explain in sports. You know, I could

1017
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: go back and you know, I could go into each

1018
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: each play and each turnover and each drop or what

1019
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: or they're big plays and are with the what ifs,

1020
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: But it just was on our time, And um, you

1021
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: know that was obviously frustrating because that was we were

1022
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: a better team. And um, you know, I don't know

1023
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: what I do differently in that game. I thought we

1024
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: handled our week off and kept things, kept things, you know,

1025
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: kept our composure, you know, and um, you know there

1026
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: was these two teams didn't like each other, shots at

1027
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 1: you right like leading into that game, talked about you yeah,

1028
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: they put they wore camo and all that stuff during

1029
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: the week and you know, and and Ray was talking

1030
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: and you know and all that and you know, and

1031
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: there was a lot of uncertainty regarding Ray because I'll

1032
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: remember what happened, what Ray went through the year prior

1033
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: during the Super Bowl, and that was you know that

1034
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't know the truth. You didn't know

1035
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: the answers, you didn't know anything, and so but here

1036
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: we are, you know, and and uh you know they

1037
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 1: were they were in our division two years prior or whatever,

1038
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: and so you know, it just was it was just different.

1039
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: But um, you know, uh, it just you know, it

1040
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: was really unfortunately, I mean prior to that, I mean,

1041
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: we it was a hard year because to keep a

1042
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: team focused, a good team like Art the team we

1043
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: had in week twelve or a week thirteen, because they're

1044
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: just thinking about getting back to the playoffs, knowing that

1045
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's we gotta win these games to make

1046
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,479
Speaker 1: sure that we can have a week off and rest.

1047
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: And you know, I was proud of the guys the

1048
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: way they handled themselves and you know, they kept things

1049
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: in perspective, and it just didn't happen. I mean, you know,

1050
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: I think George caught most passes that were thrown to him.

1051
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 1: This one bounced off the shoulder and it just happened.

1052
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: So but anyway, yeah, Steve and I were, Yeah, we're close,

1053
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: But Steve's moment came earlier in that year, UM against

1054
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 1: Kansas City when Um and I've discussed this, I've talked

1055
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: about this publicly and especially at both times when at

1056
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: the more alive them, but um he had had enough

1057
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 1: and it was he was done. He got hit against

1058
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and starting the fourth quarter, and he'd thrown

1059
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: a couple inter sessions weren't his fault. And here we are.

1060
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's earlier in the year we've come up

1061
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 1: where we lost the Super Bowl. I mean we represented

1062
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: a f C. And Steve's going out the tunnel on

1063
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: a card you can't breathe and in all kinds of

1064
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 1: pain in the p announcer announces and now at quarterback

1065
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: number four teen, Neil O'Donnell in the crowd with nuts

1066
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: and you know, Neil puts a couple of balls in

1067
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: the ends on we bet Kansas City. And then I

1068
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: go see Steve at the hospital. He's done and we

1069
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 1: had to buy that next week, and then the phone.

1070
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: We went to Pittsburgh, and I honestly at that time,

1071
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: for for a good week, didn't know whether he was

1072
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: ever going to come back. And you talk about you

1073
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: talk about having your work cut out for you. I did,

1074
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: and I spent a lot of time with him, and

1075
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: and and then as as state would have it, he's

1076
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: in his mind. Clay he's done. But I convinced him

1077
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: to beat number two. Going to Pittsburgh after the bye weekend,

1078
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: and and Neil got knocked out of the game inside

1079
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: of two minutes, and we were down by four or five.

1080
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: And I looked at Steve, and he looked at me

1081
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: and winked through about three or four balls on the

1082
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: sideline and put a four play drive together to a

1083
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: touchdown path to Aaron Kenny in the inzon And we

1084
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: beat Steelers at Pittsburgh, and I was walking off with

1085
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: Steve and it was amazing, just amazing. I knew he

1086
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: was right, you know, I knew he got right. And

1087
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: the more or less story, the lesson to be learned

1088
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: from it. And this is this is just my opinion

1089
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: that I learned that I learned through Stephen and through

1090
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: observation over years. The quarterback position in the National Football

1091
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: League is really really hard to play year in year, weekend,

1092
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: week out. That's why I have so much respect for

1093
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: the guys that have done it at such a high

1094
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: level for so long, Drew Brees and Tom Brady and

1095
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: and and the rest. Because the pressure is not Sunday pressure.

1096
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: The pressure is Wednesday, Thursday, Friday practice pressure because if

1097
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: your quarterback those intercepts in the practice on Wednesday, you

1098
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: had a bad practice. Yeah, bad practically, you're not gonna

1099
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: win the game. And so it's just day after day

1100
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: after day, and and so many I will mention any

1101
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: but I know handful of quarterbacks that in year four

1102
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: or five had that fine moment they were done. I

1103
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: wanted to leave, and they just didn't want to do

1104
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: it anymore. A matter of fact, I've spoken to some

1105
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: coaches regarding their quarterbacks over the years, just observing, and

1106
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, you have to make this thing fun for

1107
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: them because it is a game. And if you're too

1108
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: serious on the practice field week after week after week

1109
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, it's going to take its toll

1110
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: on a on a quarterback in its fourth or fifth year,

1111
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: just my opinion based on experience. And it did. But

1112
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: Steve overcame it. You bounced back, and um, you know

1113
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: she was an m v P two years later. Yeah,

1114
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: and you had to flip your entire offensive system because

1115
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: it went from Eddie George as the dominant player on

1116
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: that offense and Frank whycheck on the underneath throws to

1117
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: suddenly Steve McNair is a world beater, right, I mean

1118
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: the watching him play those year, that year that he

1119
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: won the MVP was extraordinary. It was amazing year under

1120
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: Mike Himerdinger and Steve and Mason, Drew Bennett and the

1121
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: group and Frank Still and you know, variety running backs

1122
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: and the and just in the defense. You know, we

1123
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: just were you know, I mean to be a co

1124
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: m VP with Peyton Manning. Yeah, that's that speaks volumes

1125
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: of Steve's production. And you almost beat Belichick in New

1126
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: England in the suit in the divisional round game, I think,

1127
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, Uh, it came down to Drew

1128
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: Bennett having a chance to make a play on a

1129
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: ball that he probably got interfered on. Uh, and they

1130
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: didn't throw the flag and you guys losing insanely Taiwan. Hey,

1131
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: yeah that would have Yeah, that would have put us

1132
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: on another championship game. Yeah. So yeah, I mean Drew

1133
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: had the ball. It was called get its red basket

1134
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: catch and then we had a grounding call against us,

1135
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: gave us some bad field positions had to overcome, but

1136
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: it was a bad call. But yeah, we were close

1137
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: again that year. The next year and then you went

1138
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: to the a f C Championship game against the Raiders.

1139
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: I mean there were a lot of really great runs

1140
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: there and then, uh, and then ultimately you're you're Nashville

1141
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: for a long time. The McNair era ends. And I've

1142
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: never asked this, I've never heard like a really detailed

1143
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: explanation of it. You guys have an intriguing decision. Uh.

1144
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: There are three quarterbacks that people believe our first round quarterbacks. Uh,

1145
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler who was playing at Vanderbilt that year, so

1146
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: he's a Nashville guy, Vince Young and Matt Winer coming

1147
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: out of USC having won the Heisman Trophy. Reggie Bush

1148
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: is gonna go, I believe number one overall that year,

1149
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. How Uh Actually Houston took great

1150
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: terms with Mario Williams. Okay, I'm sorry, and then Reggie

1151
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: go to to the Saints. Was that it? Yeah? He

1152
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: went to and then you guys had the number three pick, right? Correct?

1153
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: How much debate was there about who to take? What

1154
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: was your decision? How much was Bud Adams involved? How

1155
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: much did you guys go around the horn kind of

1156
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: debating who to take at quarterback? Well, you know, I'll

1157
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: say this. Um, you know we had J and the

1158
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Yeah, we knew Matt lyon inside now because

1159
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: Norm chow was was my offensive coordinate at that time

1160
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: and he coached Matt. And then you know, Vince was

1161
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, Vince was won the next championship against sc

1162
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: for Texas. So we had we had options, and you

1163
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: know sometimes in life, Um, you know there's outside influences.

1164
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: Thank you go different directions, and uh, you know I

1165
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: have to say that, I mean great respect for Vinceton

1166
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: is gonna be a great row and same with Matt

1167
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: and J. But um, we we collectively and as an organization,

1168
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: Clay decided that Vince was our guy. And do you

1169
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: have as the coach? I'm just curious when that decision

1170
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: is being made. You've been with the Titans for a

1171
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: long time. If you disagree, like, how does the process

1172
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: get made? Do you all vote? I'm just kind of

1173
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: and and I'm sure every team is different and every

1174
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: organization is different. Or is it something where if the

1175
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: owner wants something, it doesn't matter what anybody else says.

1176
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: That's correct? Uh? So, so do you try and lobby

1177
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: Bud Adams and say, hey, maybe we should consider other

1178
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: things or what was he like? Was he the kind

1179
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: of guy who when he makes his you can't Bud

1180
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: was Bud was just a great owner. And I say

1181
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: that because Budd just wanted to win. He loved the game.

1182
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: And you know, but if he had to know Bud,

1183
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: I mean Bud, but you could turn and people say

1184
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: this all the time. I mean, you could have a

1185
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: purchase order on his desk for laser pointers for two

1186
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: bucks and he wouldn't sign it for months. But if

1187
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: you needed ten ten million to sign a free agent corner,

1188
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: he told you to go ahead and do it. That's amazing.

1189
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: That's how he was. And you know, I'm forever grateful

1190
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: to that Adam family because I gave him a chance.

1191
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: And you know the memories I have a bought and

1192
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: my job was to win games. And then when Houston

1193
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: came in the division, I only had to win two

1194
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: games a year because he would live still in Houston.

1195
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: For people who don't know and like, that was a

1196
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: big deal for him. He would fly into games in Nashville,

1197
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: but he wanted to be able to walk around in Houston.

1198
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: Was a chess popped out having been the team that

1199
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: he used to have in that city. Yeah, we had

1200
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: two Super Bowls every year. Yeah, and that was against Houston.

1201
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: But he was Bud was great and you know. So yeah,

1202
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: so we go through this process and you know, it

1203
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: was a difficult thing as it related to Steve because

1204
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: steve contract was where it was, and then you know

1205
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: he there have been some injuries and it might be

1206
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: time to bring on to bring in maybe his air apparent.

1207
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: But then, um, you know, Steve got in a little

1208
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: issue there with Mr Adams. Mr. He had a significant

1209
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: contract and the injury thing was it's Steve gotten hurt

1210
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: in the off season program then but would own a

1211
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: lot of money. So but in essence asked Steve not

1212
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: to come to work and that puts you in an

1213
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: awkward spot with your relationship with you. It didn't put no,

1214
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: it didn't it really because Steve knew it was not

1215
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: me and it's Steve. Never in our throughout our time

1216
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: together between Steve and I, we have any awkward issues

1217
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: other than you know, Steve. Steve wasn't perfect. He missed

1218
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: a meeting or he do something. You know, you had

1219
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: to do something. He had to discipline him here and there.

1220
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: But you know, and he knew it and he knew

1221
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: it was coming, and he explained to him it's coming.

1222
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: But we never had any of those issues where we

1223
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: didn't see I I I mean, I I mean the stories.

1224
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: I mean. I remember. I remember being over at the

1225
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: hospital and in the recovery room waiting on one of

1226
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,439
Speaker 1: my boys for to have a minor surgery on his leg.

1227
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: And on a Tuesday, a day off, and I was

1228
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: just game planning and studying. I looked up and waiting

1229
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: for my son to come out of surgery. I looked

1230
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: up and Steve walks by me pushing a walker with

1231
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: his wife Michelle, and I immediately called the trainer because

1232
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: I didn't know about it. And oh no, Steve was

1233
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: over there just getting an epidural injection because he can't

1234
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: walk right now. It's just so he can practice tomorrow.

1235
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's puffy was And you wouldn't have

1236
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 1: ever known if you hadn't been at the hospital and

1237
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: happened to see him go by on a walker. Yeah,

1238
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: that's that was Steve. So so anyway, Steve moves on

1239
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: and host of Baltimore and lights it up. Yeah, no,

1240
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,919
Speaker 1: ironically enough for some r roll went also Derek Mason

1241
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: would end up there. I think, if I'm not mistaken,

1242
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: a lot of your former guys uh end up in

1243
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: Baltimore and so uh you get Vince and uh and

1244
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: Vince comes in and this is uh. I mean immediately

1245
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: you get Vince to the playoffs. But at what point

1246
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,919
Speaker 1: do you get nervous about the relationship or vents because

1247
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: you're going from McNair who you have. I think it's

1248
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: fair to say one of the best relationships that a

1249
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: coach and a player could have at the quarterback position

1250
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: in that era, right like you guys are twinned at

1251
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: the hip when people think about that era of NFL

1252
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: history and then you get Vince and it's a totally

1253
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: different dynamic. When do you start to get nervous? Well,

1254
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: it was probably it was year two and three. Um,

1255
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: the focus wasn't there, the commitment wasn't there. Who are

1256
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: trying to help him? I mean days and days and weeks.

1257
01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: It's time spent trying to encourage him and fare him

1258
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: to deal with distractions and and it's just you know,

1259
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: as a coach, you're if you have the gifts and

1260
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: you recognize them, your most important responsibility, in my opinion,

1261
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: is to make sure that your players are emotionally, mentally, physically,

1262
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: spiritually prepared to come to work every day. And so

1263
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: with that you take on you should take on a

1264
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: lot of their stuff and to try to create an

1265
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: environment where they can focus and concentrate and get better

1266
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: and those kind of things. And that just because of

1267
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: Vince's distraction, the distractions in his life, it was it

1268
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: was hard for Vince to do those kind of things,

1269
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: and ultimately that manifests itself in vents like taking his

1270
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: pads off, he gets injured, and and this is public,

1271
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: so I'm not like, I'm asking you something that hasn't

1272
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: been out there before. He kind of throws a fit

1273
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: in walker room, right, and then just storms out. Have

1274
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: you ever had an experience like that before? No, I'm

1275
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: not not after um, you know it was it was

1276
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: an irrational moment. It was something that that that you know,

1277
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: you don't just normally deal with. It was so far

1278
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: off the wall, and you know, I tried to talk

1279
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: him and talk to him and talk him and talk

1280
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: him prior to him walking across the locker room, but

1281
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: but he didn't respond. And I said, if you walk

1282
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: out the door, you never coming back. And I said,

1283
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: you guys need to help him not and don't let

1284
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: him go out that door. This is in the locker

1285
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: room with the whole team around, like he's just kind

1286
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: of losing it. Yeah, and he walked, and he walked

1287
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: out the door. Not only one guy got up there

1288
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: and tried to stop me kept walking. That was Michael

1289
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 1: Griffin tried to stop him, his former teammate from Texas. Right,

1290
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: he was pretty good, Clay. Yeah, I mean it happens,

1291
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: you know, if you're in it long enough, like I was, something,

1292
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: you're going to go through the experiences, and I was.

1293
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: I felt bad for Vince because you know, I'd like sense,

1294
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: dig heart and love people, and when Lynn and had

1295
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: so much potential and um, it's just um, I think

1296
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: I think in his case, the success he experienced success

1297
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 1: way too soon, uh in college with the national championship

1298
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: and everything that he did there, because it was such

1299
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 1: an amazing athlete and some of the games that he

1300
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: did for the wins that he's the things he did

1301
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: in front of me were amazing. But you know, at

1302
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,759
Speaker 1: some point, you know, you that that rabbit's foot gets

1303
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 1: you know, left in the car or left in your locker,

1304
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: and you gotta you gotta prepare, not that you didn't

1305
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: prepare all the time, but it just wasn't like the

1306
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: rest of the guys. And there were just two many

1307
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 1: other things that were a distraction and important to him,

1308
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: and and it just didn't work out unfortunately. And you know,

1309
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: I I wished him the best. I know. I don't

1310
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: never took anything personal, but um, you know I was

1311
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: there for him way beyond you know, my normal call,

1312
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: my normal responsibility, and I couldn't get through them. Be

1313
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: sure to catch live editions about kicked the coverage with

1314
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: Clay Travis week days at six am Eastern three am Pacific.

1315
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: We're talking to Jeff Fisher Wins and Losses podcast. I'm

1316
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: Clay Travis. So later on, I believe this is true,

1317
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: Vince apologizes to you right like, tries to write you

1318
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: a letter. I think this is relatively recent. Yes, I

1319
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: got a letter a few years ago. Um, I didn't

1320
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 1: know it was from him. Um it was on it

1321
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: should have been from him, but it was on the

1322
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: University Texas football stationary. And my name was spelled wrong,

1323
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: and so I did. I mean, Fisher is not that

1324
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:57,440
Speaker 1: complicated of an and stuff, But and it was peculiar.

1325
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's phones, you know, there's nurse you know,

1326
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 1: people want to make things right. You know, there's other

1327
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: ways of doing it rather than a short letter. But yeah,

1328
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 1: he made a night. I think now looking back, he

1329
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: made an attempt. But um, I don't know where he

1330
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: was coming from on that. And you know, I just hope,

1331
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: I hope for his sake that you know, he kind

1332
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: of get things right because he has he had a

1333
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: passion for kids, and he learned that from Steve because

1334
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: he called Steve pops and you know, because he that's

1335
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: what he got going in Steve mcnurse's camps. And I

1336
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: leaned on Steve numerous times to try to you know,

1337
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:40,719
Speaker 1: to try to. Yeah, And as a matter of fact,

1338
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 1: let's missed a plane on the way to Philadelphia, missed

1339
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: the team playing, and I thought it was everybody's fault,

1340
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: but his I didn't want to play the don't want

1341
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: to playing the game. Anyone I didn't go. So we

1342
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: had to get Steve. I got Steve and he I

1343
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: called Steve, I now you get right to play. And

1344
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: whereas his plane, well, he said Nashville. I said, well

1345
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: can we can? I can I borrow it when you

1346
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: send it, and send and get Vince to Philly. We

1347
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 1: got a game tomorrow Saturday, Saturday. It's Saturday night, and

1348
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: he's not even in Philly yet. No, he had just lost.

1349
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: We just lost the week before to Steve somewhere. We

1350
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,799
Speaker 1: had a field goal blocked and it's almost beat Steve

1351
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 1: and until the next week. We're going to Philly. And

1352
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 1: he didn't want he was Lady missed it and people

1353
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 1: that happens. If I'm late to a team play, They're

1354
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,759
Speaker 1: not gonna wait on me. Those things are slotted happens.

1355
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 1: I care. I mean, hey, I want to get him there.

1356
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: So I wanted to get there to clean his mind

1357
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: out and get him right getting focused. I wouldn't wasn't

1358
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: a punitive thing, but he just felt like we should

1359
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: have waited, and we did wait. But anyway, he didn't

1360
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: want to play, and then he we beat Philly. Yeah,

1361
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: he put he put the opening drive together. Uh he

1362
01:12:55,600 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: called four plays wrong and uh four place each one

1363
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: average about twenty yards. The guys figured it out and

1364
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: they make people miss tackles and see through a touchdown pass.

1365
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 1: But he didn't get into that. Saturday night on the

1366
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 1: Lake I didn't want to play in the morning either.

1367
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 1: I've talked him into plan so I told him that

1368
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 1: there wasn't a long horn on the tail of the airplane. Yeah, yeah,

1369
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's okay, It's all right, let's go beat

1370
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: these guys on That's all I cared about was them,

1371
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:33,799
Speaker 1: and then they're well being and winning games. But anyway,

1372
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 1: it was a client experience. So you're saying I need

1373
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: to write a book. Yeah, I'm telling you need to

1374
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: write a book. But as part of this, okay, so

1375
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: Vince like storms out of the locker room. Nobody knows

1376
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: what's going on as the as the process plays out.

1377
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm doing local radio. So this is where you and

1378
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: I first met. And I think you hated me and

1379
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: may still hate me because this is this. I don't

1380
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: think I've told people this, but you would do a

1381
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 1: h In Nashville, we were the affiliate I was doing

1382
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 1: local radio one oh four or five the zone I

1383
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: was on mid days with Blame Bishop. Uh. You came

1384
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: on several times as a part of that. And uh,

1385
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: and Vince is on the sideline and he just shows

1386
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: up right like during a game. Uh, he wasn't there beforehand.

1387
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 1: And then he just shows up on the sideline and

1388
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of wacky to think about, right,

1389
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: Like he just walks out down the tunnel. It's after

1390
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 1: he's injured, he's given his pads away, and he's just

1391
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,560
Speaker 1: walking around on the sideline. And I went on the

1392
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 1: air and I said, there's no way Jeff Fisher didn't

1393
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 1: know about this, right, Like, there's no way he wasn't

1394
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: because you said after the game, I had no idea

1395
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,560
Speaker 1: he was there. Uh. And I went on and I

1396
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 1: was like, I don't believe it. And so you're doing local, Uh,

1397
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: you're doing the local radio show. I think that next week.

1398
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to put you on blast year,

1399
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: but I think you'll enjoy this now, and I think

1400
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: people who are listening will enjoy it because it kind

1401
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 1: of goes into sometimes the relationships between media and coaches, right,

1402
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: and just the environment in general. And you're off air

1403
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 1: and you said I'd like to see Travis in a

1404
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 1: dark alley sometime and kick his ass. And I I

1405
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 1: loved it, right, Like, I was like, that's that's why

1406
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: I think that is doing well well. Yeah, but also

1407
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: your job yeah right, I mean, but that that's the

1408
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: that's how controversial it was in Nashville that v Y

1409
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher, the Titans drama, it was, I mean, it

1410
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 1: was all sorts of fraighted with drama. And it's it's

1411
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: not you know, that wasn't public. It was off air.

1412
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: But I hear that and I'm like, man, that's that's

1413
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: phenomenal from coach Fisher. But that's like, as you kind

1414
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: of evolved in Nashville. And I'm curious on this for

1415
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 1: people out there, did you pay attention to media? Did

1416
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 1: you listen? How do you knock out the noise? Because

1417
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:42,879
Speaker 1: in general, what people like I say don't really establish

1418
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: things very much. But it's also noise that's got to

1419
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: be frustrating as you're dealing with somebody like Vince and

1420
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: only part of the is out there. Right the first off, Clay,

1421
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: if I did say that, I you know, you pushed

1422
01:15:56,520 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 1: a button because not normally the way I respond on

1423
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: unless somebody is saying something that's not true, okay, or

1424
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 1: back in the old days, you know, our our responsibility

1425
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: when when I started was to the local guys, was

1426
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 1: to you and took Caharshkey and to Wyatt and the

1427
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: leg walled and all those guys, because you're there every

1428
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: single day and you're busting your butt and you're trying

1429
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 1: to get a story and the worst thing I can

1430
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 1: do for our relationships is let a national guy beat you.

1431
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: And so that's the you know, that's the philosophy there,

1432
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: that to me was really important nowadays that it's completely

1433
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 1: flipped and you know, I mean, everybody's you're better to

1434
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: be first than right and no one's accountable and you

1435
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 1: know that that's a whole another topic for another show.

1436
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: But um so, but that was the thing. So something

1437
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 1: must have gone wrong. But the interesting part about what

1438
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 1: went down there was, um, this this game, Um, I'm

1439
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 1: trying to think it was at Washington, I don't remember

1440
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: who the game was. Again, you bring in carry Collins

1441
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 1: right at the back of Rusty. What happened in the

1442
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 1: game was, um, we were we were just about in

1443
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:21,719
Speaker 1: field position to scoring position and vents on first down

1444
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: to a checkdown and then I watched him and we

1445
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: got four or five yards and he's looking at his

1446
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 1: hand and he keeps looking at his hand, and he

1447
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 1: goes back in the huddle and the play call was

1448
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 1: a run and he handed the ball off and then

1449
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 1: now we're on a we're third and five or third

1450
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 1: and six word field goal range, and he takes a

1451
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: knee on the field, and so the clocks running downside

1452
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: called time out. You I didn't want to get take

1453
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: a delay and I so I burned time out and

1454
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 1: he came off and he's he says, my fingers messed up,

1455
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 1: and so um I had the trainer there. I said,

1456
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 1: look at his finger, and training goes, I think he

1457
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 1: tore his flexor tendant and I go, cheez, that's not good.

1458
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 1: He can't throw. He goes, we're gonna going and check.

1459
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: So he goes in and checks. And the next drive,

1460
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: Rusty throws a touchdown pass to Randy Moss, who we

1461
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: had just signed a couple of weeks prior, but it's

1462
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 1: called back because of offensive pass interface. So anyway, after

1463
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: that drive, the trainer comes up to me with Vince

1464
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 1: and says, hey, Vince wants to try to go. I

1465
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: go to Vince, go can he throw? And let me

1466
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: see if he can throw. So Vince takes a ball

1467
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 1: and he throws it to Randy and on the sideline

1468
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 1: and the ball lands in front of his feet. So

1469
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 1: then he takes another ball and he throws it to

1470
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: Randy and it goes over Now Randy sixth bar. It

1471
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 1: goes over Randy's head and hits the kicking net. And

1472
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 1: I just said, Vince can't control the football with a singer,

1473
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 1: he can't play. He's hurt. That's a normal that's a

1474
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 1: normal reaction. And then that was at that point, that's

1475
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 1: when he took his pads off and got upset. I

1476
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: don't know what happened after that. I mean, I you know,

1477
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 1: I'm in the game. I didn't know he threw the

1478
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 1: pads in the stands or did this, or I found

1479
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 1: out all that stuff after. But that's so. Then when

1480
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:19,600
Speaker 1: I got in the locker room, he was he was

1481
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 1: ready to walk out. So he probably wouldn't have said.

1482
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: He wouldn't have played the rest of that year anyway,

1483
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,799
Speaker 1: because of the condition of the finger. He couldn't control

1484
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: the football. But never saw him again. Um, where were

1485
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 1: you when you found out about Steve McNair, Clay, I was.

1486
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 1: I had left on a trip, really cool trip with

1487
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 1: Bill Kawer, Tom Coughlin, John Gruden, and John Harbaugh. The

1488
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: File of US went to Iraq on a USO tour,

1489
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: and because it was we had gone over there into

1490
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 1: June and we we're going to fly back on the fourth.

1491
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 1: So we had spent we had spent six seven days

1492
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 1: over there with General Onierro and our group and just

1493
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: going from base to base, and that had to be

1494
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: an amazing experience experience. There's things in that experience that

1495
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: that God did not get. We're able. I was not

1496
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 1: able to share because of what happened when we were

1497
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 1: we were delayed because of the sandstorms in Baghdad, and

1498
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: our military aircraft that we took from Baghdad to Kuwait

1499
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 1: was delayed and we got to quait the tarmac. We

1500
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 1: were not going to make our flight from Kuwait back

1501
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: to Lagoria. So it's kind of interesting because it's like,

1502
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 1: all right, we're not gonna make it. We're gonna stay

1503
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: some place I'll find. I can sleep in any place.

1504
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 1: I'll find a place. Well, the other guys, I'm not

1505
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 1: gonna mention what they were, but the other guys like, well,

1506
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: I don't care, you know, just they're like, get this

1507
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 1: guy here and get the plane here. And so I

1508
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,560
Speaker 1: had had a satellite phone with me and and I

1509
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 1: pulled it out and I was going to try to

1510
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 1: get service to talk to my kids and tell him

1511
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: be a little bit delayed. And then I grabbed my

1512
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 1: cell phone and just happened to turn it on and

1513
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it and I had I didn't think

1514
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 1: I had I had service. And Eddie's number comes up

1515
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 1: and I answered, I go twice seven, what are you doing? Man?

1516
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: And he goes, because Jeff, is it true? And that's

1517
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 1: how I found out. I said what true? And said

1518
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 1: was Steve Murder? And I go, That's how I found out.

1519
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 1: I was on a carmack and Eddie was the first one.

1520
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 1: And then I can imagine the next that that night

1521
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: in the hotel and trying to communicate and find out

1522
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: facts and all this, and it's just was wow. It

1523
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 1: was not an easy flight back. Um. And then got

1524
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 1: off the plane and you know, shouting and had to

1525
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 1: go to the press conference. When you heard Eddie George say,

1526
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 1: coaches at you, what does that feel like? Um? It

1527
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 1: was it was a shock. I mean it was a

1528
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 1: devastating blow and just your mind, you know, and then

1529
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: him and he can imagine someone losing someone that you

1530
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 1: cared about it and I don't want I don't want

1531
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 1: to refer to Steve as my son. But I mean

1532
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 1: we saw I we were we were good friends. I

1533
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,560
Speaker 1: love that man of Salmon, everything that he did and

1534
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 1: accomplished and went through. And then to find out, I

1535
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: mean I had seen him, um, several weeks prior, because

1536
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 1: he came out and played the softball game, you know,

1537
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 1: we had that. Yeah, And so he had come and

1538
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 1: was doing great, and Tyler and Trent were there and

1539
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 1: hanging out and it was good. I said, how things going.

1540
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: He I'm doing good? And then I got some ship

1541
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:53,760
Speaker 1: clean up. What I'm doing really good? And so then, uh,

1542
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 1: that happened. And so there's no way you can get

1543
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: a playbook to prepare for anything like that. In fact,

1544
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 1: it hasn't happened for very many coaches in the history

1545
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 1: of the NFL. You're coming back from the Middle East?

1546
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: Is that entire several days? Just a blur? Yeah? The flight,

1547
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, the night was hard. I couldn't because of

1548
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: the language barrier. I mean, I couldn't use the satellite funks,

1549
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:23,640
Speaker 1: I couldn't step outside the hotel wasn't safe. So to

1550
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: try to make an international call to try to get

1551
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: information to contacts back here, it was really hard and

1552
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 1: really fust that I couldn't get the information until I

1553
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 1: got to the airport the next morning, I started to

1554
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,640
Speaker 1: get more information than we're on applying no communication for

1555
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 1: that length of time and then go off to play,

1556
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 1: went home, changed and went to the one to the

1557
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 1: press conference. So yeah, it is still one of the

1558
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:53,799
Speaker 1: most chilling stories and moments in in in recent NFL history.

1559
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 1: How much do you see the kids or how much

1560
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 1: have you seen McNair's kids since, you know, I haven't

1561
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 1: and him and you know, we had him out to

1562
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 1: a farm, you know, a few years after Miss Steve

1563
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 1: tasted and adam fishing, and you know kind of had

1564
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 1: some mutual friends that kind of stayed in touch and

1565
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,680
Speaker 1: stayed in touch with Michelle for a while. But I

1566
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 1: haven't you over the last few years, haven't people have

1567
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 1: moved on really happy to Tyler doing well and and

1568
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: his dancing career and things like that, and you know,

1569
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: I'm hearing that Michelle is doing okay. I mean, the

1570
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:30,680
Speaker 1: fourth of July is different. It's different, you know, at

1571
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 1: least for me and for everybody that knew Steve's um.

1572
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 1: You know, you're celebrating a lot of different things. And

1573
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: then and then reality hits you and then and especially

1574
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 1: I think this year was ten years Yeah, yeah, so

1575
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 1: it was it was hard. And you know, those of

1576
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 1: us that we're close, and I'll include you in that

1577
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 1: because because your passion for research and journalism and everything. Um,

1578
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 1: there's a lot of still on and answer questions. Yeah,

1579
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:05,560
Speaker 1: and that, Um, you know, the family just wants it

1580
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 1: to rest. They want to rest. They don't want any

1581
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 1: more investigations, they don't want it anymore of that. So,

1582
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean, people are honoring their wishes. I'm sure did

1583
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 1: you follow up on that? Because you have a lot

1584
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 1: of for people out there who are listening to us

1585
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 1: right now and don't understand the concept of the city

1586
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:24,759
Speaker 1: of Nashville. Nashville is a big city in some ways,

1587
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 1: it's also a small town and others. And what I

1588
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: mean by that is maybe in New York or l A,

1589
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 1: you can disappear because the communities are just so big.

1590
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 1: In Nashville, everybody knows everybody else, and everybody will know

1591
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 1: about your business or there's not very much degrees that

1592
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 1: separates you. So when you're the head coach of the

1593
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans, you're pretty plugged in with the local police

1594
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 1: department because you want to know whether your guys are

1595
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 1: getting in trouble or not. Right. I mean, that's just

1596
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 1: that and I'm sure that's true in different other cities

1597
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 1: as well, but in Nashville, I think it's particularly true

1598
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:56,600
Speaker 1: because the city is just not so big and so

1599
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:00,600
Speaker 1: yeah and had over the time, and you have to

1600
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 1: lean on those resources to find out to get facts

1601
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 1: to what happened. Who is there, what went down? I mean,

1602
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: there's you know there, these are young guys there, there's temptations,

1603
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 1: there's gonna be issues. I mean I always say this,

1604
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 1: we'll circle back. But you know when when somebody wherever

1605
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:20,600
Speaker 1: you're coaching and somebody you get the the guys that

1606
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 1: really know what's going on, they say, hey, look these

1607
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 1: three places, tell your guys to stay away. They're not

1608
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 1: good and they're going to be problems. The place are

1609
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: gonna come down. There's gonna be a ray you know there. Whatever.

1610
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 1: And when you stand up and tell the guys that,

1611
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 1: they look at you and one of the first three

1612
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 1: places they go to those places. But but it's that's

1613
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, so yeah, you are you you are in

1614
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 1: the know, in the loop, and you know you're gonna

1615
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:53,480
Speaker 1: have a lot of conversations with people, uh, confidential conversations.

1616
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 1: So yeah, there was I had a lot of information.

1617
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: So do you buy So they did that whole podcast

1618
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 1: and everything else exam meaning the death. Do you believe,

1619
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 1: like based on the people that you talked to, that

1620
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 1: it was a murder suicide like that, that that the

1621
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 1: story that is out there is truth. I think there's

1622
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: reason to believe otherwise, and it just lacks facts and information. Um,

1623
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 1: And I think that somewhere, somewhere somebody closed it. I

1624
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 1: don't know why, but I'm not I'm not saying it

1625
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: was I'm not saying it was Nashville law enforcement. I'm

1626
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 1: not saying somewhere somehow that the line got that was

1627
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 1: not connected somehow someway. And then again, it may be

1628
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we're not there. You know, God

1629
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 1: only knows, but we lost a good man. There's a

1630
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 1: lot of people and another life. So yeah, there's a

1631
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:57,600
Speaker 1: lot of people in Nashville who have that belief that

1632
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 1: there might have been something other than the murders who aside,

1633
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 1: and it's certainly been examined, and and that potentially somebody

1634
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: who killed Steve mcnaire could still be at large. I

1635
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 1: mean that that is for people out there who don't

1636
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 1: know this. That is like, there is that possibility that

1637
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 1: some people believe. Yes, I have heard that. Do I

1638
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 1: share that opinion? UM? I just need more information and

1639
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 1: I have I have, UM, I have come to terms

1640
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:28,560
Speaker 1: with it. UM. I was honored to be able to

1641
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 1: stand up and eulogize Steve once in Nashville and then

1642
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: once down in Hattiesburg, and so, UM, you know, I

1643
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: have some closure, but you know, my heart still hurts

1644
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 1: from Michelle and the boys and those others that were

1645
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 1: very close to him and and Steve. And I will

1646
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 1: just speak to this because I was out and about

1647
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 1: in Nashville more so when I was younger, before I

1648
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 1: had the three boys. Steve would be out and about

1649
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 1: a lot, but a lot of times he had people

1650
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 1: with him right that we're there kind of a protect

1651
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: him in some way. And so it always seems strange

1652
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 1: to me that he would put himself into a position

1653
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: where something like that could happen. Does that mean does

1654
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 1: that make sense to you too? Like Steve was a

1655
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 1: beloved guy in this city. It didn't seem like he

1656
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 1: had a lot of enemies. Yeah. In addition to that,

1657
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, it was what he had planned. I mean

1658
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,759
Speaker 1: he was he had to go take care of some business.

1659
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 1: So I left the house and then never came back.

1660
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: But his plans were to take the boys session the

1661
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:31,120
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1662
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:33,880
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1663
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:37,280
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1664
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: Radio app. Search f s R to listen live. We're

1665
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 1: talking to Jeff Fisher. This is the Wins and Losses Podcast.

1666
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm Clay Travis. You leave the Titans after fifteen years.

1667
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 1: What was that experience like to have your tenure come

1668
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 1: to a close. You talked about Stea McNair on a

1669
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 1: knee at the Super Bowl. You're so achingly close to

1670
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:02,879
Speaker 1: having the best team in NFL multiple years, home field advantage,

1671
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 1: another year with Carrie Collins, when they step in and

1672
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 1: you have a great thirteen and three season, the Ravens

1673
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 1: come in again. Joe Flacco is a rookie. They put

1674
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 1: together another one of those freaky flukish type games and

1675
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 1: find a way to win. What is your feeling as

1676
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 1: you're driving away from Baptist Sports Park in Nashville after

1677
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 1: fifteen years. Well, you know when I made the decision, um,

1678
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:29,560
Speaker 1: and it was you know, it was a collected decision.

1679
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:34,719
Speaker 1: I sat down with management and Mr Adams and felt

1680
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:39,560
Speaker 1: like it was the best thing for everybody. And so

1681
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 1: then it took me probably three days to clean my

1682
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 1: office up. But nonetheless it wasn't easy. Um, you know,

1683
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:50,560
Speaker 1: I you know, it was a long run, it was

1684
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:55,640
Speaker 1: a great run. I was tired, um uh, you know.

1685
01:30:56,120 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 1: Mr Adams was um, you know, with a g was

1686
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 1: becoming I think more of a more of a challenge,

1687
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 1: uh to deal with. And it just was that, you know,

1688
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, Clay, I made I made

1689
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 1: myself a commitment when I got into coach and it

1690
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 1: was if I didn't look forward to going to work,

1691
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, one morning, if I wake up not look

1692
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:19,680
Speaker 1: forward to going to work, I wasn't going to go in.

1693
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 1: And I just there was a combination of things. I

1694
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 1: think it was, Vince. It was just a combination of

1695
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:28,640
Speaker 1: things where I was in my personal life and and

1696
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 1: I just needed a break. There's a long run, you know,

1697
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,880
Speaker 1: there's a long, long run, and and um, so I

1698
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 1: took the break and it was you know, it was

1699
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 1: it hurt. It hurt because it was you know, it

1700
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,720
Speaker 1: was that was my life now. So it was my

1701
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 1: life that to the Titans were our team and and

1702
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, I gave my art and soul to that organization.

1703
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:53,760
Speaker 1: And and don't have any regrets whatsoever. Uh, the only

1704
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:55,800
Speaker 1: record I guess I have is I didn't get Mr

1705
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:58,560
Speaker 1: Adams a trophy that I signed on. I told me,

1706
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 1: I get him my heart. But um, you know, beyond that,

1707
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 1: it was time, and it was I took advantage of

1708
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 1: that that time. I needed that time, and I took

1709
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 1: the year and and uh, you know, I over the

1710
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 1: years have have reached out to some other coaches that

1711
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 1: have for whatever reason got now just to encourage them

1712
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:21,640
Speaker 1: to take the time and get recharged and and and

1713
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 1: how to how to plan the day and how to

1714
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 1: plan the month. And because oftentimes when you when you

1715
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 1: are going so hard for so long and then there's

1716
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:34,519
Speaker 1: nothing you you you know, you find yourself stressing at

1717
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 1: the end of the day. And that's because you yourself

1718
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,600
Speaker 1: put together you to do list. And if it's you know,

1719
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 1: you can't stress over your own to do list type

1720
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,799
Speaker 1: of thing, you know. So anyway, the whole experience, the eleven.

1721
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 1: Experience was good for me. My son was playing at Auburn.

1722
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 1: I got to attend all the home and away games

1723
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 1: and put my hat on backwards and I went to

1724
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 1: the SEC and and it was just really good. And

1725
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:00,320
Speaker 1: I fully intended on coming back. UM, and I was

1726
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 1: very very fortunate to have an opportunity to choose when

1727
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 1: I When I did come back that next year, What

1728
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 1: was it like to get to go watch your son

1729
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 1: play at Auburn? It was amazing experience. I mean, I

1730
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 1: my oldest played at University of Montana, and I catched

1731
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 1: a few games here in a national championship or a

1732
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 1: playoff game. And then to go down and watch employee

1733
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 1: was really really nothing like it, you know. I mean

1734
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: it was just but then I was a dad too,

1735
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, I was, I was a dad there. I mean,

1736
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:29,680
Speaker 1: it was the cool place. It's a college football is is,

1737
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's a It's really really it's really a

1738
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:38,080
Speaker 1: great experience. UM. And I you know, I've actually, to

1739
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:39,679
Speaker 1: be honest with you, kind of got a little closer

1740
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 1: to college football the last couple of years. UM, just

1741
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, you know, interested intrigue in the programs and

1742
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 1: who's doing what and how things go and how things work,

1743
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 1: because you know, I guess I'm moving different directions in

1744
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 1: the conversation. But you know what I personally, I missed

1745
01:33:56,280 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 1: the players, and I missed the sideline, and I missed

1746
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:05,640
Speaker 1: the relationships. And because I the players are important to me,

1747
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 1: and you know, you've been able, You've enabled me to

1748
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:13,599
Speaker 1: illustrate that to my my relationship with Steve, and there's

1749
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 1: so many others that I crossed path with over the years,

1750
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 1: and and um, you know, even even my short time

1751
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 1: at the ramps. But um, I was really excited for

1752
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 1: their success because I had a hand in that, and

1753
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 1: and maintain relationships with them and hear from them all

1754
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:31,599
Speaker 1: the time. And you know, it's just that's what you miss.

1755
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 1: And you know, this day and age, you know when

1756
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 1: players walk in the door, um, it's different. Um. They

1757
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 1: they don't know you, they don't respect you, they don't

1758
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:46,599
Speaker 1: trust you. And the sooner you can, you know, across

1759
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 1: those bridges and established relationships with them, the better off

1760
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:53,719
Speaker 1: you are. And so many of them want an adult

1761
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:56,680
Speaker 1: male relationship in their life and they don't have it.

1762
01:34:56,840 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 1: And I found myself being that person for some many

1763
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 1: of the players over the years You're almost a surrogate father.

1764
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:06,880
Speaker 1: And then when I want to go to the RAMS thing,

1765
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 1: you end up making the move back to Los Angeles.

1766
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: You draft Jared Goff, you draft Todd Gurley. Do you

1767
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:17,639
Speaker 1: watch every Rams game the past couple of years? Um? Yeah, well,

1768
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 1: I'd say the first year. No. I watched the last

1769
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 1: four after I was or three after I was let

1770
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 1: go because I was helping the interim head coach with

1771
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 1: all his daily duties and um, and then um, you know,

1772
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:34,759
Speaker 1: things change, staff change. I was really happy for Sean

1773
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:38,600
Speaker 1: and and um, you know, they made the moves that

1774
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 1: they needed to make and that we've been talking about making,

1775
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 1: and and it was just it was it's a hard

1776
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,200
Speaker 1: it's a hard thing, and it's it's not an excuse,

1777
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:51,640
Speaker 1: but the relocation thing is not easy. And um, you

1778
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 1: know when you change the addresses one to three four

1779
01:35:55,439 --> 01:36:00,680
Speaker 1: times in six months, and you know, a camp and

1780
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 1: all those things, there's distractions. And and then on top

1781
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 1: of that, do you take a team from from a

1782
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:11,640
Speaker 1: really cool market in in St. Louis and to a

1783
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:14,800
Speaker 1: giant market like l a Is. Um, you know, you

1784
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 1: you almost have to take the approach, Hey, we're not

1785
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 1: moving to l A. We're playing in l A. And

1786
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 1: you guys have to live here, and here the traffic patterns,

1787
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 1: and here's this, and there's that. All those things and

1788
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:29,880
Speaker 1: facilities and designing stadiums and all that stuff is there's

1789
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 1: just a lot of other things that you had to do.

1790
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:36,479
Speaker 1: And but I was not surprised to whatsoever to their

1791
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 1: success because I knew Jared was gonna was gonna be

1792
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 1: that guy, and the same same thing with Todd and

1793
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 1: Aaron and and those guys said, you know, we had

1794
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 1: I had a hand in drafting. You had five Rookie

1795
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 1: of the Years Javon Kurch, Chris Johnson, Vince Young, Aaron Donald,

1796
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:55,920
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley, and Jared goff Is. Obviously seems like he's

1797
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 1: going to pan out as a really good quarterback. You are,

1798
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 1: I think, all time on the NFL win list, and uh,

1799
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 1: you're fifteen wins away from being in the top ten

1800
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 1: winningest of all time. Uh. Some people listening to that

1801
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 1: right now are probably surprised by it. You're only sixty

1802
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 1: one years old. I say only because there's a lot

1803
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 1: of coaches who coach for a long time now, right, Uh,

1804
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 1: do you want to coach college or the NFL again.

1805
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 1: Do you feel like your career is over? Well, you know,

1806
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 1: I don't feel like it's over because I want to

1807
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 1: do it again. Yeah. You know, I've had a couple

1808
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 1: of years to reflect, to take care of myself, to learn.

1809
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 1: I feel great physically. Um, and I've been able to

1810
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 1: do things that I haven't been able to do for

1811
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:48,000
Speaker 1: for however long. I've been in the great in this

1812
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 1: great game, coaching and playing and uh and I miss it.

1813
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 1: And I know I have a lot to a lot

1814
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:57,800
Speaker 1: to offer. So yeah, I have interest in but that's

1815
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 1: that's not my call. I'm not kicking doors down or

1816
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:04,840
Speaker 1: doing those kind of things. But um, you know, it's

1817
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:07,719
Speaker 1: interesting to watch the league and see where it's gone,

1818
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 1: and it's it's you know, it's leaning to the younger guys,

1819
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:13,599
Speaker 1: which is good. I mean there's in my opinion, there's

1820
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 1: there's only one saw McVeigh and you know, the other

1821
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 1: guy will see how the other guys pan out, and

1822
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,200
Speaker 1: I wish them nothing but the best. But there are

1823
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 1: a lot of things that I haven't experienced before. And um,

1824
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 1: you know it's interesting in that. Um, you know, it's

1825
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 1: hard to convince someone to leave themselves four hours a

1826
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 1: day for things that are going to come up that

1827
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 1: you don't control at all, that you have no control over,

1828
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 1: and how do you go about dealing with those with

1829
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 1: those circumstances, and how do you avoid them, and how

1830
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:52,679
Speaker 1: do you create an environment where and this is really

1831
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:55,599
Speaker 1: you know, I remained close with Chris Long. I mean,

1832
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 1: how about that career. And you know Chris says all

1833
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 1: time he goes man, I had so much fun and

1834
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:04,680
Speaker 1: we were bad. Yeah, we were bad when I took

1835
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 1: that team over. They were two and fourteen that we

1836
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 1: lost more games than five years span in the in

1837
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:12,200
Speaker 1: the history of NFL than the ramps. We had some

1838
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:14,400
Speaker 1: work to do. But what I want to do from

1839
01:39:14,479 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 1: day one is I wanted these guys to learn how

1840
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 1: to pull in the parking lot and run in the

1841
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 1: building looking forward to come into work, because knowing full

1842
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 1: ahead of time, there's gonna be some days when they

1843
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 1: don't want to come, some of those mondays, and you've

1844
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 1: got to take the same approach when you come in.

1845
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:33,600
Speaker 1: And so it was just about that you know the

1846
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 1: chemistry and just the other people in the organization, the

1847
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 1: lives that you you touch, and you affect the way

1848
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 1: beyond the individual player lives, if you're running an organization appropriately,

1849
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 1: and you know the I've had some individual experiences with players.

1850
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 1: Blow away any great win I ever had, just to

1851
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:00,840
Speaker 1: see them turn their lives around or get get things

1852
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 1: right in their lives and enjoy happiness and success. And

1853
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:08,280
Speaker 1: whether it's dealing with an addiction or dealing with the

1854
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 1: depression or whatever it is. But just just those type

1855
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 1: of things are they're they're much more rewarding than wins. Now,

1856
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:20,800
Speaker 1: don't don't misunderstand me here. Winning is everything. You know,

1857
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 1: you do it to win, you, I mean, but there's

1858
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 1: a you you you have to take care of those

1859
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:29,800
Speaker 1: things in order to win. And so those are the

1860
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:32,880
Speaker 1: things that I miss. Would you want to coach college?

1861
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:36,880
Speaker 1: I would give. Yeah, I would. I would coach, Uh

1862
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 1: it was a right program and the right people, and uh,

1863
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 1: I would coach at the college level. And that doesn't

1864
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:45,920
Speaker 1: mean to say it has to be a power fiver.

1865
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 1: I love coaching. I'm a ball coach, you know. I

1866
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:53,480
Speaker 1: love coaching. I love helping and you know, and mentoring

1867
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:56,880
Speaker 1: and and seeing people have success and having fun and

1868
01:40:57,360 --> 01:41:00,160
Speaker 1: people smiling when they work and when they practice us

1869
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:03,800
Speaker 1: and and uh, growing I mean, I think, what better

1870
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:07,439
Speaker 1: opportunities and college to help the help help the young

1871
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:12,320
Speaker 1: student athletes become men. You know, that's that's that's cool stuff.

1872
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:16,599
Speaker 1: And and there's so many outstanding college coaches out there,

1873
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 1: and you know, I just you know, it's just I

1874
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:22,479
Speaker 1: think over the last couple of years, everything is about winning,

1875
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:28,240
Speaker 1: and social media has you know, has kinda kicked things off,

1876
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:32,000
Speaker 1: maybe on the wrong track sometime for people, and you know,

1877
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:35,440
Speaker 1: and people then tend to lose lose the right perspective

1878
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:37,880
Speaker 1: on what they're doing and why they're doing it. You've

1879
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:40,120
Speaker 1: kind of hopped into the social media space a little bit.

1880
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 1: You can give people your Twitter handle and had fun

1881
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 1: with the idea you are seven and nine, eight and eight,

1882
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 1: nine and seven, because that's kind of the reputation that

1883
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 1: you have in that universe. And by the way, it's

1884
01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:53,040
Speaker 1: a lot of NFL teams out there right now that

1885
01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:54,720
Speaker 1: would love to be eight and eight or seven and

1886
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 1: nine or nine and seven. It's hard to win on

1887
01:41:56,960 --> 01:42:01,760
Speaker 1: a regular basis in the NFL. But if you I'll

1888
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:04,320
Speaker 1: circle back there. But it's funny, you know, I also

1889
01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:08,400
Speaker 1: lost a lot of games, and that's what people grab onto.

1890
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:13,160
Speaker 1: But if you're a head coach for twenty years and

1891
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:17,200
Speaker 1: you go ten and six, you're gonna lose on or

1892
01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:21,200
Speaker 1: twenty games. And that's right up there with the most

1893
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:24,599
Speaker 1: losing his coach in the his city NFL. I've been

1894
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 1: around a while, so but but to your to your point,

1895
01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:32,719
Speaker 1: you know, um, in my year off in two thousand eleven,

1896
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 1: I climbed to kill Leimanjaro with the Wounded Warrior Project

1897
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 1: because I will then, I will do anything in a

1898
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 1: heartbeat for the military. And so climbed Kilimanjaro for the

1899
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:47,320
Speaker 1: Window War Project and I opened Twitter, and I thought

1900
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:49,040
Speaker 1: this would be really Someone said you need to open

1901
01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:52,719
Speaker 1: Twitter and kind of share this experience, and I thought, okay, cool.

1902
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:54,960
Speaker 1: So I did that. I got over to Amsterdam for

1903
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 1: it for Tanzania, and I didn't an your service and

1904
01:42:57,000 --> 01:42:59,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out to use it and use the

1905
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 1: sense was laid there up until about four months ago

1906
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 1: or whatever, and I just I just kind of was

1907
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:12,160
Speaker 1: reflecting and having some conversation and you know, I'm getting

1908
01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:15,600
Speaker 1: my I made this reference. I get my rear end

1909
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:19,719
Speaker 1: drug down the asphalt and social media for two years

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01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 1: since I got let go, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell

1911
01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:26,720
Speaker 1: the truth, you know, and have fun with it. And

1912
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 1: that's what. It's been really fun and I appreciate the

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01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:33,080
Speaker 1: followers and it's been fun and you know, yeah, I

1914
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 1: do have a sense of humor. Yeah, I built or

1915
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:38,479
Speaker 1: flipping house is a Nasha with my daughter and son

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01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:41,320
Speaker 1: in lawn and yeah, there's there's The rooms are bigger

1917
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:46,320
Speaker 1: than seven and nine three and people loved it. So yeah,

1918
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:50,680
Speaker 1: it's good. It's really fun. So just sitting up in

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Speaker 1: the backwoods here, Uh you are right now though in

1920
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Speaker 1: Montana by yourself, right, is that correct? And I got

1921
01:43:57,120 --> 01:43:59,560
Speaker 1: I got my dog here. Yeah, so you will be

1922
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 1: up so like, what will you do tomorrow? You so

1923
01:44:02,439 --> 01:44:05,320
Speaker 1: you'll hang up we finished this interview. You will spend

1924
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 1: the rest of the day doing what and then what

1925
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:08,400
Speaker 1: will you do when you wake up? Like? How do

1926
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:12,040
Speaker 1: you spend your time while you're up there? I'm I

1927
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:17,120
Speaker 1: love exercise and I love fishing, and I'm gonna I'm

1928
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:20,000
Speaker 1: doing some other things, doing some cherry things and raising

1929
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 1: some money for some people, helping something people, and I'm

1930
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, the next couple of weeks, I'm

1931
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:29,799
Speaker 1: gonna kind of kind of gear up for the college season.

1932
01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 1: Uh My, my oldest is coaching in Southern Utah, Brandon

1933
01:44:35,080 --> 01:44:37,320
Speaker 1: who's a defensive coordinator, and they open against you and

1934
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:40,519
Speaker 1: l V. So I'm gonna be there and route him

1935
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:43,040
Speaker 1: on and so I'll do some games, but I'm gonna

1936
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 1: come back to Nashville and and uh, I love the

1937
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 1: high school football environment in Nashville. My youngest son is

1938
01:44:50,840 --> 01:44:53,920
Speaker 1: joined the CPA staff as a teacher and as a

1939
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:56,800
Speaker 1: coach there in Nashville Sumna. You know, I'm gonna be

1940
01:44:56,840 --> 01:44:59,040
Speaker 1: a dad and I'm a grandpa, and you know, I'm

1941
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:02,320
Speaker 1: gonna work out, and even though I'm sixty one, I'm

1942
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:05,599
Speaker 1: gonna keep feeling like I'm fourty five. So a question

1943
01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:07,720
Speaker 1: for you, last question, the last couple of questions here,

1944
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:09,719
Speaker 1: and I appreciate all the time. I'm Clay Travis Wins

1945
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Speaker 1: and Losses with Jeff Fisher. What kind of experience did

1946
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:16,000
Speaker 1: you have outside of coaching the Titans raising your kids

1947
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 1: in Nashville When you would go to get a chance

1948
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 1: to go to a high school football game and watch

1949
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:22,240
Speaker 1: your boys, did people give you your space? Did you

1950
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:25,720
Speaker 1: feel like you had a good family experience away from

1951
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:28,800
Speaker 1: your job. Yeah, yeah, it's a great question. M keep

1952
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:32,200
Speaker 1: this in mind, my kids are five years apart, and

1953
01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:35,800
Speaker 1: all three of them attended the same elementary and graduated

1954
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:38,160
Speaker 1: from the same high school, which is unheard for a coach.

1955
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:42,639
Speaker 1: Isn't happen in coaching. And so with that being said, yeah,

1956
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:48,360
Speaker 1: I was. It wasn't you know, everybody wants to say hi,

1957
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:51,920
Speaker 1: but you know what, it's like, everybody's your friend, it's

1958
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:54,720
Speaker 1: just you. I've just wanted them, you know, it's kind

1959
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:57,320
Speaker 1: of like you're they're used to seeing you. And then yeah,

1960
01:45:57,479 --> 01:46:00,640
Speaker 1: I was able to be a dad, you know, it was.

1961
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:03,800
Speaker 1: It was a great experience. And um, you know too

1962
01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:06,160
Speaker 1: that that made Nashville their home and one that loves

1963
01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 1: Nashville that can't be there, but um, yeah, it's a

1964
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:11,840
Speaker 1: It's a great place, a great place to live, and

1965
01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:16,160
Speaker 1: great fans and you know, great memories. I mean great memories.

1966
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:19,160
Speaker 1: You know. I still have a little farm outside of Nashville,

1967
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 1: and great people out there, and you know a lot

1968
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 1: of good friends, a lot of good friends there in town. Still,

1969
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:28,880
Speaker 1: so last question for you, Um, when you go to bed,

1970
01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 1: you know, if you if you have dreams about coaching,

1971
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:33,679
Speaker 1: or you have dreams about games, or you have dreams

1972
01:46:33,680 --> 01:46:36,880
Speaker 1: about playing. Is there anyone that comes up the most?

1973
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:39,720
Speaker 1: You've had so many over the years. Is there any

1974
01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:42,360
Speaker 1: game you think about if you're standing there fishing, casting

1975
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:44,759
Speaker 1: out into the lake, you might be out by yourself,

1976
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:48,160
Speaker 1: you're out walking. People naturally think back about what they've

1977
01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 1: done in their career, in their life. Is there any

1978
01:46:51,120 --> 01:46:53,960
Speaker 1: game that comes up the most in your mind? Not

1979
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:59,200
Speaker 1: a particular game, but the game itself. Um, I just

1980
01:47:00,439 --> 01:47:04,400
Speaker 1: I want people listeners to understand that the game at

1981
01:47:04,439 --> 01:47:09,560
Speaker 1: the high school level is where it's it's pure, and

1982
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 1: it's just it's just it's finest, and the further you

1983
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 1: get from high school, the more complicated it becomes. But

1984
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:20,160
Speaker 1: nonetheless it's still a great game. But so no games

1985
01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:24,040
Speaker 1: but I do this is this is out there, but

1986
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:30,240
Speaker 1: um this game is played in the fall, and there

1987
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:33,160
Speaker 1: to me, that's my favorite time of the year. And

1988
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 1: I can see fall in in any day any place.

1989
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:39,320
Speaker 1: And you know, you know, you go outside sometimes in

1990
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:41,120
Speaker 1: the Harris Chris you go, oh man, it feels like fall.

1991
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:45,360
Speaker 1: Well you know what, every day since I got out

1992
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:47,400
Speaker 1: of Coach and feels like fall to me. And I

1993
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:51,120
Speaker 1: love the fall. So I've missed a lot Um, a

1994
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:53,719
Speaker 1: lot of days in the fall because I was coaching.

1995
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:58,040
Speaker 1: But those days at Lambeau or those days in New England,

1996
01:47:58,200 --> 01:48:02,520
Speaker 1: and those days of Pittsburgh or Cincinnati, Cleveland, uh, Seattle,

1997
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 1: you know, just all over the country and coaching those

1998
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:10,400
Speaker 1: games in October, September, October November. There there members that

1999
01:48:10,439 --> 01:48:13,000
Speaker 1: will never forget. And I wish that, you know, people

2000
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:16,320
Speaker 1: could experience those because it is. It's an amazing game.

2001
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, there's a lot a lot going on,

2002
01:48:19,439 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 1: it's like politics or anything else, But when you get

2003
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:24,519
Speaker 1: right down to it, I mean it's like you know,

2004
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:27,599
Speaker 1: Kenny Chesley saw on the Boys fall. I mean, it's

2005
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:30,720
Speaker 1: it's ball, you know. And I'm really grateful because I

2006
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 1: was able to, you know, to make an outstanding living

2007
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:40,640
Speaker 1: and have the friendships and experiences that I had that

2008
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:43,760
Speaker 1: I've had, um and they all spun off of this

2009
01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:46,960
Speaker 1: this game. And uh, I wouldn't be having this conversation

2010
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Speaker 1: with you, Clay if if it weren't for the game. So,

2011
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:52,559
Speaker 1: uh do I miss it? Oh? Yeah? Am I ready

2012
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Speaker 1: to come back? Outstanding stuff, Jeff Fisher, get out and

2013
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:01,360
Speaker 1: enjoy Montana. I appreciate the time. This has been absolutely fantastic.

2014
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Speaker 1: I'm Clay Travis. You've been listening to the Winds and

2015
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:06,320
Speaker 1: Pod Wins and Losses podcast. If you enjoy it, go

2016
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Speaker 1: rate us. If you enjoy this conversation, you'll probably enjoy

2017
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:11,840
Speaker 1: a lot of others to share with your friends. Thanks

2018
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Speaker 1: to Coach Fisher, this has been fantastic, and this has

2019
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Speaker 1: been Wins and Losses Coach