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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from house Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.

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Speaker 1: There's Charles W Chuck Bryant, and Jerry, which makes this

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Speaker 1: whole thing Stuff you Should Know the podcast. That's right.

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Speaker 1: Let's good man. I got on my snow shoes and

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Speaker 1: I'm walking in a wheat field making geometric patterns. Hey,

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Speaker 1: run into snow shoes. Well, it's sort of a large snowshoe.

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Speaker 1: I could see that though. Yeah, that would definitely work longer. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: but it's easier. You can do something else with your

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Speaker 1: hands while you're using this. That's a good point. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: did you ever have the Led Zeppelin box set from

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Speaker 1: my college roommate did? Yeah, so you're familiar with the

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Speaker 1: crop circles and the suggestion that by Led Zeppelin that

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Speaker 1: it was their zeppelin that was responsible for all of them?

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Speaker 1: Was that what that was? Yeah? And pick up on

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Speaker 1: that because on the cover of the box that there's

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Speaker 1: like this awesome, very real life crop circle formation and

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Speaker 1: then the shadow of the zeppelin floating over it. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I noticed the shadow ever. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was the whole thing, like said, Led Zeppelin took

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Speaker 1: responsibility for those right, and by the way, we got

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Speaker 1: a lot of responses on how they got the name

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Speaker 1: led Zeppelin, So thank you to the hundreds of people

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Speaker 1: where the e where the A went. They didn't want

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Speaker 1: people to think it was lead Zeppelin makes total sense, right,

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Speaker 1: the Zeppelin in front the lead Zeppelin. Anyway, it turns

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Speaker 1: out that it's complete fabrication that the led Zeppelin Zeppelin

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Speaker 1: was responsible for crop circles. But that's one of the

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Speaker 1: few suggestions that have been made for what makes crop circles.

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Speaker 1: This is really strange topic, frankly, because it's been out

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Speaker 1: for about a quarter of a century how crop circles

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Speaker 1: are made, who make them? And yet there's still a

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Speaker 1: lot of people called seriologists after series The Goddess of

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Speaker 1: Agriculture Um, who are like, no, this this those people,

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Speaker 1: that's the that's the whole catch. It's a hoax. They're

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Speaker 1: responsible for like of crop circles, which leaves on accounted for. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't even call it a hoax. I just call

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Speaker 1: it art. Well, yeah, so I saw somewhere at one

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Speaker 1: point somebody say it's the most scientific, most science based

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Speaker 1: art there is because the stuff that crop circles are

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Speaker 1: made of a lot of them is some really impressive

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Speaker 1: Euclidean geometry. Yeah, some smart people are behind these, uh

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Speaker 1: what I like to call art. They're not just a

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Speaker 1: bunch of dummies walking around on a cornfield. No, but

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Speaker 1: they are people, Yes they are, and we've kind of

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Speaker 1: spoiled it. So if you wanted to find out who

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Speaker 1: makes crop circles it's art, you can turn the episode off.

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Speaker 1: But if you do, you're gonna miss out on some

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Speaker 1: kind of some cool interesting stuff if you ask me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And what I think is weird is that despite the

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Speaker 1: fact that it is definitely not aliens and all the

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Speaker 1: stuff that people propose, we'll get into all that is

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Speaker 1: that even when the people came out and said, no,

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Speaker 1: we've been making crop circles for years, some people like, no,

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Speaker 1: no, no no, they're being paid to say that there's aliens.

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Speaker 1: In fact, that's something that you run up against with

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories. Those just admitting that you're responsible just suggest

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Speaker 1: that you you're Yeah, somebody's put you up to admitting it.

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Speaker 1: You're it's disinformation, basically, and that's what a lot of

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Speaker 1: crop circles, they originated basically the hoax did um in England,

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Speaker 1: specifically in a couple of counties in England. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean not only originated, but I think um of all

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Speaker 1: can tell you how it started out. So there crop circles.

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Speaker 1: maybe when somebody's like, the first what could be described

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Speaker 1: so the there's an explanation on the wood cut itself.

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Speaker 1: cyclonic wind action. And again we'll get into other explanations later,

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Speaker 1: those are like the earliest evidence of crop circles. And

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Speaker 1: then in the sixties the first modern idea of a

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Speaker 1: It didn't damage the crops. I just don't see how

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Speaker 1: picture of any crop circle ever made, you're going to

425
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: see um little lines that go all along the field.

426
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: Those are left by the tractor, the tractor tracks, and

427
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: crops are planted in rows exactly so you can just

428
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 1: move in and about them. And you know why they're

429
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: planted in rows, so you can move in and about

430
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: them without stepping on the crops um. And like we

431
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, Dave Chorley and Doug Bauer came out in

432
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: n and said, Hey, we did this BBC. Come along,

433
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: let's film a little documentary and I'm gonna show you

434
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: how to do a rope and plank uh crop circle.

435
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: And apparently one of the guys had racked up a

436
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,239
Speaker 1: bunch of mileage on his car. I don't know if

437
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: it's true or not, but it makes for a good story.

438
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: And his wife was got on to him and it

439
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, what's going on here, are you cheating

440
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: on me? And that's why he came out and said,

441
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: now I haven't been cheating on you. This is why

442
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: there's all this extra mileage, and I'm gonna go public

443
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: with it. So well, they were good. They were the

444
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: only three people in the world who knew about that

445
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: for a while. Apparently they went public because the government

446
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: like people had bought into this lock stock and barrel

447
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: like there was it was just UFOs possibly that we're

448
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: doing this, like like smart people were talking about this.

449
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: The media was covering it, like are these UFOs? And

450
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: these guys are just sitting back laughing. And apparently the

451
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: Queen had a book on our summer reading list that

452
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: was released by her pressed people that um included like

453
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: some crop circle experts like UFO analysis of the crop

454
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: circles around the world. What was going on? So the

455
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: queen was even meaning this and these two guys and

456
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: the guy's wife are just sitting back laughing, having the

457
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: time of their lives. Uh. And then apparently the British

458
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: government was about to conduct an investigation and these guys

459
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: were like, we don't need to let taxpayers waste their

460
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: money on this, so let's go forward, and they came

461
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: forward in like September, and apparently within days they were

462
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: on Good Morning America showing the world how to do

463
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: this stuff. And then a lot of people started doing

464
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: it after that because they're like, this is kind of

465
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: fun and I'm an artist as well. Uh, And here's

466
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: how you do it. Well, there's some front ways you

467
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 1: can get a magnetron, apparently, but the most conventional way is,

468
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: like I said, the rope and plank um. So you're

469
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: gonna choose a spot, You're gonna choose a field. You're

470
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: gonna create your little design. This could be a circle,

471
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: it could be the Mental Brought set or the Julia set. Yeah,

472
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: whatever it is, you want to put it down on paper, Yeah,

473
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: because you know it is math and you have to

474
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: work it out and you have to have a pretty

475
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: good eye for or brain for design. I guess two,

476
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: draw something on a page and make it hundreds of

477
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: feet across. It's like these are talented people. You're gonna

478
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: get to your field and you basically, uh, you basically

479
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: act as a human compass, not like a math compass

480
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: that you used to draw a circle, not a compass

481
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: to show you which way north is. And you're gonna

482
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: put one person in the middle, and that's gonna be

483
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: he's essentially the little point. And then you use rope

484
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: and you're gonna mark off your four uh opposite uh

485
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: marks as the circle. And you're gonna give the guy

486
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: in the center a rope, give someone on the outside

487
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: a rope, and they're just gonna walk in a big

488
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: circle as he holds that rope. And then that's gonna

489
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: make essentially a near perfect circle. In theory, it forms

490
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: the diameter of the circle. Yeah, if you're taking your time,

491
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,239
Speaker 1: then you're gonna have a pretty good looking circle. Right.

492
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: And then after that you start just moving inward from

493
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: the outside in just stomping the the uh the grain down, yeah,

494
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: with your big snowshoe like things, and there you have

495
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: a crop circle. Yeah. And you can, like I said,

496
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: you do one for three ft going this way, and hey,

497
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna jump around and turn the other way and

498
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: lay the corn or wheat down that way. It appears

499
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: that Steiny the Weirdos of the world. How does that happen? Yeah?

500
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: And the whole key apparently is planning it out ahead

501
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: of time and then just translating what's on paper into

502
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: real life. You know, basically all it takes is a

503
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: little bit of multiplication, some ropes, poles, and a couple

504
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: of boards and you can make a pretty awesome crops

505
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: goal if you know what you're doing. Yeah, you could

506
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: also use a gardener lawn roller UM or the traditional

507
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: rope stop stalker, right, and there you have it. There's

508
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: a group called circle Makers dot org and they were

509
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: very much inspired by uh Doug and Dave. I think

510
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: Doug and Dave kind of became honorary circle makers. But

511
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: these guys, um, they their their website still up, it's

512
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: not nearly as active as it was like five ten

513
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: years ago, but they were getting paid by companies around

514
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: the world to make crop circles. Um Like they they

515
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: made a Nike crop circle. They made um like a

516
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: Swedish Furniture stores crop circle. Not did they make the

517
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: Swish they made a foot a footprint like a huge

518
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: footprint UM and Uh. They just did tons of them

519
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: and got paid apparently like hundreds of thousands of dollars

520
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: for each one they did for them. So these guys

521
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: spent the early two thousands making bank running on doing

522
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: crop circles. At the same time, they're they're teaching people

523
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: how to do it, and simultaneously seriologists are still investigating

524
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: this and so they they the seriologists came up with

525
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: they're also called croppies, we should say crop ease, came

526
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: up with some steps you need to take when you're

527
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: investigating a crop circle. Are we gonna go over these? Sure? Uh?

528
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: They talked to eyewitnesses, say did you see her hear

529
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: anything weird because there's a crop circle, And they'll say, yeah, actually,

530
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: come to think of it, I did hear something weird?

531
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: Am I gonna be on the news right? Um? They

532
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: check out the weather patterns um in the area of

533
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: the previous night because that's it always happens overnight, which, um,

534
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: the enthusiasts will say, you know this is they're doing

535
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: it under under nightfall too not be caught as aliens,

536
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: and they're sending secret messages and rational thing people say no,

537
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: they're artists. Are doing it under nightfall to not get

538
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: caught same way and keep the hoax going exactly. Uh

539
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: what else do you do? Uh? Supposedly they will bring

540
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: out machines to actually measure soil and use like X

541
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: ray diffraction analysis and electromatic electromagnetic energy readings. They're analyzing

542
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: all of this information and I don't I don't know

543
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: what they come up was I like I clearly they've

544
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: been forced to say, yes, some of these are hoaxes,

545
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: like the alien smoking pot right, cannot be explained by seriologists. Um.

546
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: There was a very there was a famous one that said, UM,

547
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: we are not alone, spelled out all in one word basically,

548
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: but in all caps, we are not alone. And a

549
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: lot of skeptics say, shouldn't it be you were not alone?

550
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: If these are messages from aliens? And do they just

551
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: happen to speak English? So UM, there's a lot of

552
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: a lot of points that skeptics point are the ones

553
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: that do go to the trouble of debunking these um.

554
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: And there was a guy named Joe Nicol and uh

555
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: he writes for UM, the Committee for Scientific Investigation si

556
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: C s I UM and they he basically came up

557
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: with four good points that debunk crop circles. One is

558
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: that there was an escalation in frequency as they became

559
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: more and more popular, which is kind of a weird thing. Uh.

560
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: They the geographic distribution of him was again concentrated primarily

561
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: in this region of England, even though you'd find him elsewhere, Brazil, Japan,

562
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: all over. Uh. You can also explain that by the

563
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: fact that people were inspired by other crop circles. Um.

564
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: There was an increase in complexity, which exactly um. And

565
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: then there was the like they called the shy this factor,

566
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,239
Speaker 1: which was they were only done at night, knowing had

567
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: ever seen a crop circle formed. That One guy's YouTube

568
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: thing UM not outstanding well, which was fake exactly unless

569
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: he was paid off to say it was fake exactly,

570
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: And it's pretty tough to disprove that. Yeah. I think,

571
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: like I said, I think if people, um just look

572
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: at this as really cool public displays of art, because

573
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: they're amazing. It's really neat looking what people are able

574
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: to accomplish with their hands and feet. They they somebody

575
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: redid the Nasca hummingbird, you know, the Nasca lines. Um,

576
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: they did like kind of a more stylized version of that. Again,

577
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: the pot smoking alien. Somebody else just did a straight

578
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: up pot leaf. Um. Someone did the mothman, the West

579
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: Virginia moth Man, the shroud of Turin. Nice. Yeah, like

580
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: people got really good at this, um. And And like

581
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: you said, I mean, if you look at it as art,

582
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: it's pretty pretty easy to appreciate it. I bet a

583
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: fun conversation to over here at an English pub is

584
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: a crop circle brainstorming session on what kind of uh,

585
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 1: what kind of circle they can make next? I bet

586
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: that's a lot of fun to listen to. And you know,

587
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: a rural county in England and a pub. I'd love

588
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: to be in on one of those. We'll go to Wiltshire.

589
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe I will. Ah, you got anything else? I

590
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: got nothing else? So that's crop circles. The mystery continues.

591
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about crop circles, you

592
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: can type that word into how stuff works in the

593
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: search bar, or don't, and then it'll bring up this weird,

594
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: weird article. Yeah. Uh, And since I said search bars,

595
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: time for a listener mail. I'm gonna call this uh

596
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: Chilean camouflage. Hey, guys and Jerry. I was writing to

597
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: make a comment on something Chuck said and the last

598
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: listener mail animal camouflage. At one point, Chuck read that

599
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: the listener suffered for mental illnesses that we're practically ignored

600
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: by her parents, who happened to be doctors, then commenting

601
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: that that was quite a shocker. Oh yeah, that's right,

602
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, this girl had had I believe,

603
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: doctor and psych psychologist psychologist parents who kind of just

604
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: ignored her mental issues, which I thought was weird. He said,

605
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just the country where I live, Chile,

606
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: but we have a saying for that in Casa they

607
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 1: herrero coucio depato. Jerry, do you know what that means?

608
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: She says no. That literally translates into in the black

609
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: Smiths Home stick Knives. It alludes to what happens when

610
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: an expert on something tends to neglect his field of

611
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: expertise once he gets home. Yeah, it's like here, we

612
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: say the cobbler's children have no shoes. Yeah, exactly. Um, yeah, interesting.

613
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: I bet every country has their own. Say it makes

614
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: more sense than the knives thing. Yeah, I'm not sure

615
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: what that means, but I'm not Chilean. The doctor thinks

616
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: that his sick childless is flying. The electrician that has

617
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: a mess of cables on appliances, an accountant that can't

618
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: control her own expenses, a chef that orders fast food, etcetera.

619
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: Maybe they're just tired of doing that same thing over

620
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: and over again. They just want to stop and rest

621
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: when they get home. Or maybe they're just jerks. Who knows,

622
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: but apparently it happens often enough that the situation got

623
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: its own saying around these parts more than one stay classy,

624
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 1: best switches, Uh Matt, Thanks Matt, And Matt was super

625
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: excited that this was gonna get on. Listen to me

626
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: now because he's been a listener from the get go.

627
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: He says, all right, Matt, way to hang in there.

628
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 1: All you had to do is right in. You're hard

629
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: to get on at some point, and cassa de herrero,

630
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: cuci de polo. I'm gonna get that tattooed about my

631
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: waits line in the Blacksmith's Home stick Knives. I don't

632
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: get that one, all right. Thank you for confounding us, Matt.

633
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: That's good stuff. If you want to try to confound us,

634
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: you can do so via Twitter at s Y s

635
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,399
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