1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,479 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody? 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 3: Welcome to move the sticks? DJ, Buck back with you, Buck? 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 2: What is going on? Long time? No see man? What up? 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 4: DJ? I missed you man. We haven't had a chance 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 4: to have some good football conversations. It's crazy because we 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 4: have the run up to the draft, then we have 8 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 4: the immediate reaction after the draft. Then we kind of 9 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 4: go on vacation and kind of decompress where we can 10 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 4: up DJ. I'm not gonna lie like last week after 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 4: doing Path to the Draft the whole season, last week 12 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 4: I didn't get I didn't accomplish much. DJ didn't do 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 4: a lot. I can't say that I really accomplished a lot. 14 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 4: I mean I got up and worked out a little bit, 15 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 4: but there wasn't a lot of work that was done. 16 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 4: And then I'm starting to get back into it looking 17 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 4: ahead the next year, because everyone was talking about the 18 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 4: quarterback class, so I was like, it's quarterback class really, 19 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 4: So then I started digging in. 20 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, see what what there's a little 21 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: excitement and why people might have punted on some first 22 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: round picks this year, they have multiple next year. 23 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 4: Because there's a very intriguing collection of quarterbacks that can 24 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 4: hit the market next year. 25 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. 26 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 3: It's that time of year too for me, where it's 27 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: fun to like, Okay, let let the last draft settle 28 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 3: a little bit, and we're gonna get to some of 29 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: the recap stuff because we didn't have a chance to 30 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 3: talk a lot about it, so we'll get to that today. 31 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: We're still going to revisit what we just saw. 32 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 3: But like yesterday I talked to my buddy at Ohio 33 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: State because I was like, what's next, what's coming? You know, 34 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 3: so like he kind of gives me a lay down 35 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: and don't worry buck Eye fans, I know you lost 36 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: a lot of players. 37 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: You're gonna be just fine. 38 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 3: So just kind of like making those phone calls, catching 39 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: up with people like what's coming, Like who are some of. 40 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:45,639 Speaker 2: The guys people were excited about? 41 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 3: And then really truthfully, buck like, man, where is everybody? 42 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 3: Like where do people transfer? Like who's where? 43 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: You know? 44 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 3: Like the the you know, the cow quarterback who's an 45 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: interesting player, he's in Indiana now, So like trying to 46 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 3: just kind of touch why. 47 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: Do these people leave and why are they here? And 48 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: who they with? 49 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 3: And so it's kind of like it's like it's like 50 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 3: opening up a new book, is the way I would 51 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 3: look at it, Like we kind of finished the last 52 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: book was a great read, but man, this next one 53 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: could be a thriller. I'm excited about this next class. 54 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. No, the class is different, and we are seeing 55 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 4: some of the fallout from NIL where people are staying 56 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 4: in longer. Look, I think that is a good thing 57 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 4: when it comes to development, that we've had so many 58 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 4: guys staying. I think the opportunity to play more ball 59 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 4: brings about a polished player. And I'm and I'm gonna 60 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 4: say this, and I use this from my Jaguars experience 61 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 4: in terms of talking to people down there how they're 62 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 4: going about doing business. 63 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: DJ. 64 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 4: There was that conversation about teams this year in the draft, 65 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 4: really putting that extra box on who really loves ball 66 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 4: because now that before we used to talk about guys 67 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 4: didn't get money until they got into the pros. Well, 68 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 4: now they getting money in college. And so what you're 69 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 4: able to better assess now is who really loves it 70 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,839 Speaker 4: and who is doing it because oh this is cool 71 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 4: to do. I've made some money and all this that 72 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 4: has been a huge conversation. The passion really matters, and 73 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 4: the way people are judging it DJ is who opts 74 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 4: into stuff. So at an opportunity where you could sit 75 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 4: out a bowl game or not, do you opt in 76 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 4: or do you opt out? When you have an opportunity 77 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 4: to go to the Senior Bowl, do you do the 78 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 4: practices but then opt out the game? Or do you 79 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 4: do everything? Because that's who you're about. When you have 80 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 4: a chance to work out at the combine, do you 81 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 4: opt in or do you opt out? They're beginning to 82 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 4: make these assessments on and the guys that really love ball, 83 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 4: they want to take advantage of every opportunity they have 84 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 4: to show people that they love ball. That is kind 85 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 4: of becoming a separating factor between those guys that kind 86 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 4: of stay on the board and those guys that are like, yeah, 87 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 4: he's good, but he's not for us. 88 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that's going to get me to my 89 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: point here because I want to get to Its time 90 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: for Hot or Not brought to you by with Sabi 91 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 3: Hot Clouds Storage because you know Bucket, I think you 92 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: can you can learn a lot through that process who 93 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 3: ops in. You're trying to find those guys with football character, 94 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 3: and I think that there's still more we need more data, 95 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 3: like we need more time to be able to sort out, Okay, 96 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 3: how much of a difference is this really, But I 97 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 3: think that is definitely a point people are making. The 98 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 3: one thing I want to hit on with you is 99 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 3: I've learned over the years to be anti immediate results 100 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 3: and opinions on these mini camps. Man Like, over the years, 101 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 3: there's been too many times like I've got the Zach 102 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: Wilson throws from the first first couple of practice with 103 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 3: the Jets. I've heard the feedback about guys and how 104 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 3: impressive they were. So I don't want to throw cold 105 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 3: water on people getting excited right now, but I do 106 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: want to just kind of as we kick this thing 107 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 3: off here, just just be a little cautionary with the 108 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: stuff that we're hearing this time. Let' at least get 109 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 3: to training camp and get the pads on and get 110 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 3: the real football before we start getting either too high 111 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 3: or too low based off what we're hearing. Remember, Jamar 112 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 3: Chase was dropping balls and many can't like that. 113 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 4: And I think you dropped balls in the first two 114 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 4: preseason games and everyone was on him, and then he 115 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 4: ended up like being a dog, just absolutely killing it. 116 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 4: Like everyone will acclimate to the pro game at a 117 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 4: different pace. In a perfect world, you would like to 118 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 4: see your top guys kind of jump into it and 119 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 4: assimilate to the game. But it's a different game, and 120 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 4: it doesn't matter whether you're first round to undrafted free agent. 121 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 4: There's a transitional period that everyone has to undergo before 122 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 4: they're ready to be a pro. 123 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's just a good reminder like that. 124 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: We're gonna take it all in and get all this 125 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 3: information we can on guys and how they're performing in 126 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: those things, but just be a little bit careful here. 127 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 3: So I want to make sure we before we got 128 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 3: anything else. I wanted to put that little cautionary note 129 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: out there. That was this week's Hot or Not segment, 130 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: brought to you by with Sabbi Hot Cloud Storage, store 131 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 3: more and do more with your data. Try them for 132 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 3: free at Withsabbi dot com. 133 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: Buck the uh. But we're gonna get to this draft 134 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: here and in it. 135 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 3: But before we do that, we haven't had a chance 136 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: to talk about some of the things that have happened 137 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 3: around the league. I don't think we've talked about the 138 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 3: Pickens thing. What was your takeaway on George Pickens the 139 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 3: Cowboys A few different things. 140 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 4: It's funny, right because leading up to the draft, on 141 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 4: one of our shows pass to the Draft, you said, 142 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 4: I feel like I need the Cowboys to be bold, 143 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 4: and I think at the time you propose them moving 144 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 4: up to take Travis Hunter, something to ignite, upgrade the talent, 145 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 4: get their fan base excited, all of those things. So 146 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 4: they didn't do that. On draft night. They went the 147 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 4: course that the Cowboys are typically gone when they mean good. 148 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 4: They added another offensive lineman to kind of create that 149 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 4: wall that they love to have up front. But then 150 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 4: post draft they go and get a guy who has 151 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 4: superstar talent in George Pickens to pair opposite CD Lamb. Now, 152 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 4: as a player, George Pickens is tantalizing. I mean, he 153 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 4: has size, he has speed, he has athleticism, ball skills, 154 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 4: he has a big game mentality. The bigger the game, 155 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 4: better he plays. But there's the stuff that you worry 156 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 4: about when he's not engaged in the game, whether it's 157 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 4: through a lack of activity he can kind of shut down, 158 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 4: or an immaturity about him where he doesn't bring his 159 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 4: best effort all the time. You just wonder in that 160 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 4: locker room, in that city, for that team, how does 161 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 4: that play out? Do we get the best of George 162 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 4: Pickens or do we see the worst of George Pickens 163 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 4: as he's pining for a new contract. 164 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: I'm going back through because I wanted to look this up, 165 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 3: So I'm looking at who the next best pass catcher 166 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: was with Pickens. So last year would have been Friarmouth, 167 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: who was sixty five catches for six hundred and fifty 168 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 3: three yards. Let's go back one year before that, in 169 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 3: twenty three with Pickens, you had Deontay Johnson, you know, 170 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 3: seven hundred yards, five touchdowns that year. You go back 171 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: then twenty two. I think we're getting to the point 172 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 3: where this would be kind of his his first year 173 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 3: Deontay Johnson again eighty six balls but eight hundred yards. 174 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: My point being like he's never been paired with somebody 175 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: like Ceedee lamb ever So for the frustration, and I 176 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 3: think his expiration date had come and gone with Pittsburgh 177 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 3: for all the other reasons, and it was just the 178 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 3: juice wasn't worth the squeeze. And I said it when 179 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 3: they made the trade for DK metcalf. This is a 180 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: duplication like these. I don't see how this works with 181 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 3: these two guys. Like you got two guys to play 182 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: the two power forwards. You need to go get a 183 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 3: shooting guard if you're Pittsburgh, and he needs to go 184 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: somewhere where they have a shooting guard. So he goes 185 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 3: to pair up with Ceedee Lamb, who can do everything 186 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 3: at all levels. But really CD can just wear you 187 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 3: out underneath intermediate and now we can get pickings, kind 188 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 3: of stretch the defense a little bit, get some big plays, 189 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: some home run balls, and then now we kind of 190 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 3: free up even CD more. I just I to me 191 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 3: fit man like fit matters, and people think you're talking 192 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: on both sides your mouth when you're like, well, Pittsburgh 193 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 3: needed to move on. But then then I come out 194 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 3: and say, what's a bold move for the Cowboys? I 195 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: kind of like it. Well, how can you be both? 196 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 3: Because it's fit? His fit did not work with Pittsburgh 197 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: right now, And I actually like this fit with the Cowboys. 198 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 4: I do, And so okay, I believe everybody. I believe 199 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 4: everybody has a sweet spot, and we all in nostalgia, 200 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 4: and so we tend to when we have success previous 201 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 4: in our life, we want to replicate that success. So 202 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 4: when I look at the Cowboys, I believe they always 203 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 4: want to go back to being the nineties version of the. 204 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 3: Is Alvin Harper? Are you gonna hit me with this? 205 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 3: Is Alvin Harper buck? Is that where you're going? 206 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 4: He's the Alvin Harper stretched. I love Irvin numbers. Mike 207 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 4: Irving come in there and remember Alvin Harper was great 208 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 4: for the Cowboys. Wasn't the same when he left for 209 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 4: the Cowboys? He I want to say, Alvin Harper. Every's 210 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 4: like seventeen eighteen, maybe twenty yards per Cats like big 211 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 4: plays DJ. I just have this thing in my mind. 212 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 4: The favorite play that everyone loves to run is called 213 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 4: dagger right. It's the slot receiver runs a vertical. The 214 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 4: gal that outside runs a dig at sixteen yards. You 215 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 4: put a fast gut in the slot, lifts the coverage 216 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 4: and income ceedee Lamb right behind it catching. If you 217 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 4: collapse on Lamb, they throw it right over the top 218 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 4: to Pickens. To me, I just see this team playing 219 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 4: these two main games with Pickens and Lamb on the 220 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 4: same side, running all these combination routes where you can't 221 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 4: be right because you just can't deal with his speed 222 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 4: and athleticism that is a Pickens, and then the route 223 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 4: running and the craftiness of Ceedee Lamb. Even though I 224 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 4: thought Brian Schottenheimer was gonna come in and was gonna 225 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 4: grind it out. I still think they can do it. 226 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 4: But it's gonna look like the nineties version of the Cowboys. 227 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 4: That's how they did two thousand versions. Yeah, that's how 228 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 4: they did it. 229 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 3: I mean they ran with him in that offensive line, 230 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: and then they had big plays over the top with Harper, 231 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: and then they had Irving on every third and six. 232 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: There's nothing new. Canuck can't stop the slant, beat you up. 233 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 3: So and both those guys I think down in the 234 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: red area too, are gonna give Dak kind of rangy 235 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 3: rangy guys to go get the ball to. 236 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 4: I just wonder if they're good enough at tailback to 237 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 4: do what they need to do, because as excited as 238 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 4: the men about what they could be in the passing game, 239 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 4: because I look, you talk about Pickens, Lamb, Ferguson, you 240 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 4: have guys who have Pro Bowl potential, but to control 241 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 4: the game against the teams in their division, because remember 242 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 4: we always talk about you got to build your team 243 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 4: to win the division. They cannot get in the shootout 244 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 4: with the Philadelphia Eagles. They got to be able to 245 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 4: control the game by running it. Are they good enough 246 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 4: at tailback to run it? I think their offensive line 247 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 4: is going to be solid, but I still feel like, 248 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 4: are they special enough at back? That's what I would 249 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 4: need to see early in the year. Can they run 250 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 4: it and control and get enough pop out the running game? 251 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean you out and get Tyler Booker. 252 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 3: So they got the offensive lines with the Tyler's right, 253 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 3: they got Geyden Smith Booker, Cooper Beebe's a good young player. 254 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 2: I'm with you. 255 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 3: I think the offensive line is good. I like Ferguson 256 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 3: is a tight end. They're running backs just to refresh 257 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 3: everybody is Javonte Williams, Miles Sanders. Those are two veterans, 258 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 3: and they go out and get a couple of rookies. 259 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 3: Jayden Blue, who's going to be more of a pass catcher, 260 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 3: change of pace, speedback out of Texas, and then Phil MafA, 261 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 3: who's kind of kind of more that banger, you know, 262 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 3: a physical two hundred and thirty pounds back who can 263 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 3: play downhill on the Subduceva on uh there as well. 264 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 3: But I think that's a you know, that's where you 265 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 3: could kind of differ from those those cowboy teams were 266 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: talking about. There's no Hall of Famer in that in 267 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: that backfield. 268 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 4: No, there's not. But you know, it always happens at 269 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 4: the end of training camp. There's always a veteran or 270 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 4: two that shake loose. There's always a veteran running back 271 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 4: that's hanging out there. They got it. You contact end 272 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 4: of July A you stand in shape, you feel. 273 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 3: You were still you know who's still out there? 274 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 4: Who pick Nick Chubb? 275 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: Who I was going to say, JK Dobbins, I signed 276 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 3: it anywhere? 277 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, JK. 278 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 3: When he's been his whole career, when he's been healthy, 279 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 3: he's been good. It's just staying on the field. But 280 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 3: they might have enough backs there where you could say, hey, 281 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 3: you come in here. They've had some success with an 282 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 3: Ohio State running back in recent history, So maybe we 283 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: get him and and kind of ease him in and 284 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 3: try and preserve him throughout the year. They got other 285 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 3: guys to get the ball to. He'd be a nice piece. 286 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 3: I think he'd be a nice piece to what they 287 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 3: have there. 288 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, DJ, I'm not opposed to that. And we 289 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 4: know how this thing goes. Like the leverage now goes 290 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 4: back to the team, and so if the team plays 291 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 4: the waiting game, some of those players that are out 292 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 4: there looking for homes, they'll be able to get someone 293 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 4: to feel that I just right now. Look, it's still 294 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 4: a work in progress, but look, that offense is certainly 295 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 4: dangerous enough where they can win games in the passing game. 296 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 4: That offensive line is gonna be good. They gonna find 297 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 4: a way. Can they get the stops on defense? But yeah, 298 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 4: look they're much improved. And I say that knowing that 299 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 4: they can be much improved and not finish a spot higher. 300 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 2: And it's a good division. 301 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 3: I mean, look, Gavonta Williams, you know he's got ability. 302 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 3: I mean he's yeah, maybe he can maybe he can 303 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 3: find it there. Maybe that's a good fit for him, 304 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 3: and he can kind of emerge as that back that 305 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 3: we thought he was going to be when he was 306 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: coming out of college. 307 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: But let's take a quick break. 308 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 3: When we come back, I want to jump into some 309 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: of this draft stuff, give you some of the thoughts 310 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: here on some of these teams that I just based 311 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 3: on how I saw the players I thought did a 312 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 3: really nice job. So we'll get to that right after this. 313 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 3: So here's what our guy Jack did. Buck Jack Andrad 314 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 3: is the best researcher in the business. So we started 315 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 3: doing this a couple of years ago, put out a 316 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 3: top one fifty. So I like to kind of evaluate 317 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 3: drafts and instead of just willy nilly going a C 318 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 3: C plus B minus, like I said, let's do this scientifically, 319 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 3: like if we just figure out a formula to just 320 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 3: kind of based off this's how I saw him, and 321 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: then I give you an honest opinion of who I 322 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 3: thought did the best job. So it's pretty simple. Really, 323 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 3: Jack does a great job of just taking the one fifty. 324 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 3: The first pick is worth one hundred and fifty points. 325 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 3: The one hundred and fifty pick is worth one point. 326 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 3: So it's a way to kind of see who added 327 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 3: the most, you know, value according to that. And then 328 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 3: also we looked at who gave you the most points 329 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 3: and value over expected if you think about those expected 330 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 3: yards we use in foot ball. Now this is basically like, hey, 331 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: if you were picking twentieth and you got the tenth 332 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 3: best player, then that's plus ten in terms of you 333 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 3: know the value that I, at least how I perceived it, 334 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: how you got it, and everybody has their own opinions. 335 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 3: But these are the teams that shook out well just 336 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 3: based off how I saw the players, and we'll get 337 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 3: your thoughts on some of these draft classes. Number one 338 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 3: in terms of the total points, so just add all 339 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 3: the points together, just raw numbers. The Cleveland Browns were 340 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: number one with six hundred and eighty three points. That's 341 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 3: seven of my top one hundred and fifty players. Right 342 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: right behind them was the Patriots, and we talked about 343 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: them previously about we liked what they did they had. 344 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 3: They also had seven top one fifty players with six 345 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 3: hundred and forty eight total points. And then the Seahawks 346 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 3: were next with six one fifty players five hundred and 347 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: forty seven total points. So the Browns, Patriots, Seahawks, those 348 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 3: are the three teams who also showed up on the 349 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 3: most total points over expected, So not only to get 350 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 3: the raw number of what I think are good players, 351 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 3: but they got them with value. And that's so of 352 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 3: the five teams on those two lists, those are the 353 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 3: three Browns, Patriots, and Seahawks that show up on both 354 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: of those lists in terms of sheer, volume and value. 355 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 4: You know, it's funny, right because there are people that 356 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 4: talk about this, and we've talked about it like the 357 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 4: draft is the ultimate crapshoot. No matter what we think 358 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 4: we may know about it, no one really knows. And 359 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 4: so you want to give yourself more opportunities to take 360 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 4: advantage of those players. And so when we talk about 361 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 4: the Cleveland Browns specifically, you talk about getting seven of 362 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 4: your top one fifty and being able to just throw 363 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 4: some darts in those rounds, like, hey man, that's a 364 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 4: really good player. We don't have an immediate need. Hey 365 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 4: let's he's good. We can't go wrong taking good players. 366 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 4: And some people are disciplined enough to chase talent as 367 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 4: opposed to chasing the need. And it appears that the 368 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 4: Cleveland Browns did that. The New England Pages we've talked 369 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 4: about doing that. If you want to build a good 370 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 4: roster man, you just got to take good players and 371 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 4: then figure out what to do with them once you 372 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 4: get him in the building. 373 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like we've talked about those two teams, 374 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 3: the Browns and the Patriots, and we love what they did. 375 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: The Seahawks one was interesting to me too, just when 376 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 3: you look at who they added and some of the pieces. 377 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 3: If you just look on the offensive side of the ball, 378 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 3: Gray's Abel and we both loved him as someone who 379 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: can play up and down the line. It was a 380 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 3: glaring need for them along the interior of the offensive line. 381 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 3: So they bring him in the mix. You get Elijah Royo, 382 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 3: who was a super allent maker tight in the second round. 383 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 3: You take your shot on Milro, like, hey, go ahead 384 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 3: and let's take your shots. See what you get there. 385 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 3: Tory Horton, if he had been healthy, the receiver from 386 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 3: Colorado State, he goes way before the fifth round, so 387 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 3: that was tremendous value. So those are some of the 388 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 3: guys on the offensive side that I liked. And then 389 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 3: on the defensive side, even warri who is a first 390 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 3: round talented player. It just happens that a safety always 391 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 3: falls out. It happens every year. He was the guy 392 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 3: this year, so they get him in the second round. 393 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 3: And then Riley Mills on the defense side. I thought 394 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 3: he would have been a second or third round pick 395 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 3: if he had been healthy. You know, he has that 396 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 3: knee injury in the playoff game. The DT out of 397 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: Notre Dame. But that's a starting caliber player. So I 398 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 3: love what Seahawks did and what. 399 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 4: I like about that, Like, I think it's a combination 400 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 4: of both. Right, Remember we talked about nostalgia and how 401 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 4: every coach, every scout is nostalgic about the great players 402 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 4: that they've been around. So let's talk about Imignori and 403 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 4: he comes in and naturally, John Snyd and those guys 404 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 4: can envision him being a faster version of Cam Chancellor. 405 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 4: But Mike McDonald has a closer reference by being able 406 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 4: to be like, well, look, I just had a big 407 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 4: safety at Cale Hamilton who really helped change our defense 408 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 4: and do those things. I think Mike McDonald being able 409 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 4: to go against Lamar Jackson every day can allow him 410 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 4: to be like, hey, let's take a chance on Jalen 411 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,239 Speaker 4: mill Roe because I know he may be deficient in 412 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 4: some area, but man, a quarterback with that level of 413 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 4: athleticism can really be problematic for defense to the and 414 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 4: if you start thinking about those things where front office 415 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 4: and coaching staff are working together and kind of coming 416 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 4: with a shared vision of how they want to build 417 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 4: out this roster. To me, I think it's all over 418 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 4: the guys that they brought in. It is a combination 419 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 4: of Snyder and McDonald having these conversations about how they 420 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 4: can get the best and the players that they bring 421 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 4: on to the team. 422 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that there's a lot of clues that 423 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 3: were left and I'm going to try and remember this 424 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 3: as we go into next year. It's just looking at 425 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 3: the history of these gms and coaches and who's helped 426 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 3: them get into the chairs that they're in, because that 427 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 3: tends to be what they're looking to, you know, find 428 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 3: out there. That's what's They've ate that meal and been 429 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 3: very satisfied with the way it tastes and how it 430 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 3: treated them, and they'd like to go back and have 431 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 3: that same meal again. 432 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 4: And there's nothing wrong with it. I actually like I 433 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 4: like that philosophy, Like if it's not broke, don't fix it. 434 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 4: Let's go after guys that we know or prototypes. Right. 435 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 4: I believe everybody has a sweet tooth, Like I like 436 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 4: VNA ice cream, I like certain cookies. I like those things, 437 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 4: So I'm gonna go and get that treat. When I 438 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 4: want to treat, I'm gonna go get that. So when 439 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 4: you're a team and evaluator, you want to kind of 440 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 4: follow that plan and kind of make it happen. And 441 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 4: for the Seahawks, who have always been able to look 442 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 4: prioritize athleticism and instincts for the players that they've drafted, 443 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 4: I think those traits show up. And you're right about 444 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 4: the Notre Dame defensive he was so good mis Riley Mills. 445 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 4: He was so good to the injury. But to me, 446 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 4: he strikes me as a worker bee, right, the worker 447 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 4: bee that you just have on the line. You look 448 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 4: at me like, man, this guy's played ten years. He's 449 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 4: played ten years in the league, because he just kind 450 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 4: of falls into the mix, kind of like a Kyle 451 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 4: Williams type, right that you just see them work and 452 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 4: work and work. They make a ton of plays and 453 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 4: they get after it. It's not just about the stars 454 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 4: that you bring. It's about the glue guys, the guys 455 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 4: that feel key roles. He has the potential to do that. 456 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 3: So there's four other teams that showed up on one 457 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 3: of these two lists. So the three that were the 458 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: universally that I thought were the best, Browns, Patriots, Seahawks 459 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 3: show up on both lists. But then on the total 460 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 3: value you get the Giants and the Cardinals, they show 461 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 3: up on there, and then points and value over expected, 462 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 3: so the guys who exceeded where they were picking, the 463 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 3: Steelers and the Eagles both show up on there, so 464 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 3: which I always find it somewhat interesting, and I'm totally 465 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 3: open and honest about it that the way I was 466 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 3: trained and what I value in players, it's not going 467 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 3: to be a surprise that you're going to see, you know, 468 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 3: Steelers Eagles, because there's people in those front offices that 469 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 3: I really have the same education. You know, we grew 470 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 3: up the same, we were taught the same, we were 471 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 3: trained the same, so we're going to value the same 472 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 3: things in players. So there's a reason why almost every 473 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 3: year when I do this, the Eagles end up showing 474 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 3: up on there because we just kind of we like 475 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 3: the same things. 476 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 2: So that's just kind of how that works. 477 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 4: We do and we all impacted by our centers of influence. Right, 478 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 4: So I can sit here in wax poetic about Seattle. Well, 479 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 4: Josh Sider gave me my first job scouting. Josh Side 480 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 4: was also with me in Green Bay when I was 481 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 4: a player, and he was part of the front office. 482 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 4: And look, Ron Wolf was very impactful in terms of 483 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 4: not only how those teams were built, but how I 484 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 4: learned scouting and that other stuff. So yeah, some of 485 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 4: the value, some of the traits that I look for 486 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 4: in players, it stems from that same tree. And look 487 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 4: when when when the people were around have been very 488 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 4: successful utilizing that model, why would we deviate from it. 489 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 4: We've seen the success, We've seen what happens when it 490 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 4: goes right. And look, I understand it. I value a 491 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 4: lot of those traits that I learned coming up, and 492 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 4: I continue to try and expand my brain. But look, 493 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 4: that core is the core, like your core beliefs or 494 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 4: your core beliefs, and it's hard to really change from them. 495 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 3: There was there was a little video. I think it 496 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 3: was like a six team minute clip. I didn't see 497 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 3: all of it, but the all I love these teams 498 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 3: that give you the behind the scenes look inside the 499 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,479 Speaker 3: draft room. But the Eagles put one out on uh, 500 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 3: you know, on you know, all their draft process and 501 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 3: them trying to trade up to try and get up 502 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 3: to get your hot campbell. That was an interesting part 503 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,239 Speaker 3: of it. But the more interesting thing to me was 504 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: prior to day three, Howie Roseman was in front of 505 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 3: the room, and they said, we're going to go buy position. 506 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 3: So for those who don't know, when you're in a 507 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 3: draft room, you have scouts who get areas, and then 508 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 3: after you get an area, you get a cross check position. 509 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: So you're in charge of a position and you watch 510 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 3: all of the players at that specific position. So he 511 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 3: goes to every scout at each position and he says, okay, 512 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 3: as we're getting into day three, we don't need role 513 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 3: players and backups here, Like who has And they're not 514 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 3: not saying it's a you know, it's a great shot, 515 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 3: but who has a chance to be a starter? Like 516 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 3: let's start with tackles. Who is the one player you 517 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: think that it could be three years from now, but 518 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 3: this player has starter ability? I'm not getting like, who's 519 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 3: got the high floor? They screw the floor that on 520 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 3: day three they are ceiling chasers. So who could potentially 521 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 3: hit and be a starter. And he went through every 522 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 3: every scout at every position they and they got a 523 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 3: bunch of those guys, even like McCord I think was 524 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 3: the quarterback. I think our buddy David. 525 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,239 Speaker 4: Paul loved him. 526 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, Dave, he's got a chance to be a starter. Yeah, 527 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 3: Kyle McCord. Boom, Okay that we're going to target him. Okay, 528 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 3: let's go to the next position. 529 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: Boom. 530 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 3: Like and to me, they that was the way we 531 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 3: did it in Baltimore as well, Like I remember just 532 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 3: think that we've talked about this before, but well yeah, 533 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 3: but even just like, hey, we're going to take a 534 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 3: quarterback in the sixth round and it was Derek Anderson 535 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 3: versus Fitzpatrick. And I did the I had done the quarterbacks, 536 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: and look, and Ryan Fitzpatrick had a long career and 537 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 3: started and you know, really was more consistent career and performer, 538 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 3: ended up being a much better player. 539 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: Than my grade. 540 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 3: But the question was posed to me, like who could 541 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 3: you see being, you know, who has the upside? Who 542 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 3: could be that I'm like, well, I think Fitzpatrick's going 543 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 3: to be a long term He's gonna be in the 544 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: league for a long time because he's so smart and tough. 545 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: He'll be a backup forever. 546 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 3: But I said, Derek Anderson six foot six, big arm, Like, 547 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 3: I could see him being like a starter like and 548 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 3: Derek Anderson didn't play as long, but Derek Anderson was 549 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 3: a Pro Bowl player for a year. 550 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: Yes, Anderson had some of my highs. 551 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 3: So even though Ryan Fitzpatrick ends up being the better player, 552 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 3: we were just chasing the chasing the ceiling. 553 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 4: Okay. So DJ Dway I was taught like day three. 554 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 4: Day three is about the redeeming qualities. What are the 555 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 4: redeeming qualities that could make a player a starter or 556 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 4: something like that. So you talk about don't chase the 557 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 4: floor who has like we're swinging for the fences in 558 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 4: these things, like because we've already said that our first 559 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 4: three rounds, we're trying to find starters. So now these 560 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 4: are gravy picks, right, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. 561 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 4: When we're in the fourth through seven and undrafted, we're 562 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 4: not expecting any of those guys to do it unless 563 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 4: we're chasing the traits. And you're chasing those superstar traits, 564 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 4: the things that could what we call the super powers 565 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 4: that could make them. Sorry. So when you talk about 566 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 4: Derek Anderson, who at height he had arm talent in 567 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 4: those things. He was inconsistent at Oregon State, but you're 568 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 4: chasing if everything goes right, what could he be. That's 569 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 4: where those things play out, and that's how you should 570 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 4: treat those things. And so you talked about the Eagles 571 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 4: and cal McCord. I honestly felt like Calu McCord was 572 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 4: one of the best gun slingers in this draft class. 573 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 4: Watching his game grow from Ohio State to Syracuse, I 574 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 4: was like, man, I think this guy has something to him. 575 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 4: So look, if I'm gonna throw a dart, I'm gonna 576 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 4: throw it dart as someone who has traits like that. 577 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 4: Another example would be last year Joe Milton in New England. Man, 578 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 4: he got a lot of traits. He got a big arm, 579 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 4: he has some of this. If I'm gonna go down, 580 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 4: I'm gonna go down with somebody who Man, if it 581 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 4: hits cool, if we strike out, it's not costly, Like 582 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 4: what are we doing? And so now the Patriots able 583 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 4: to parlay that into another pick. I mean, that's to me, 584 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 4: that's how you supposed to play the game. 585 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, that's our opinion on that. But I 586 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 3: think if you looked at the Patriot dynasty, the lot 587 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 3: of their picks. Now, they took a couple flyers, you know, 588 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 3: look at some of the conversions, you know, but a 589 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 3: lot of their guys were like, oh, this is a 590 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 3: special teams player, like he's going to just do this 591 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 3: or he's just going to do that, and he can 592 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 3: kind of just have this little role. We're going to 593 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 3: be the team of role players, so this guy can 594 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 3: do this one thing. Like there was not an upside 595 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 3: chasing mindset there. But I also think sometimes when you 596 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 3: have the Hall of Fame quarterback, the Hall of Fame 597 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 3: coach that allows you to. 598 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 4: Do it, that allows us rare but made no mistake, 599 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 4: this is the league where the most talented teams typically 600 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 4: win more times than not. It's an anomaly that a 601 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 4: team is not supremely talented that is one of the 602 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 4: last ones standing at the end of it. You have 603 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 4: to have talent to win. And look, I've heard this 604 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 4: from coaches. There is not a great coach who has 605 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 4: done it without great players. Like so, if you want 606 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 4: to be great, the easiest way to go down that 607 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 4: path is to go get a bunch of great players, 608 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 4: and that enhances your opportunity to. 609 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 2: Win, no question. 610 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 3: All right, Buck, as we come down the close here, 611 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 3: I want to go through again. Jack has pulled out 612 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 3: who the best value was just based off my numbers here, 613 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 3: based off my rankings for each round. So I'm gonna 614 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 3: rip through them. I'll hit you, I'll get you the name, 615 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 3: and you just give me. Kind of one thought on 616 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 3: why you like it? All right, You're ready Philly. Johad 617 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,719 Speaker 3: Campbell was my twelfth player. 618 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 2: He was the thirty first pick. 619 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 4: I love it. I know the Eagles don't get linebackers, 620 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 4: but after dealing with Zachbahn and seeing how versatile he 621 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 4: his versatility enhance their defense, I'm all about it. The 622 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 4: fact that he was there at the bottom of the 623 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 4: first round. Just from a value and a talent standpoint, 624 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 4: you have to put a trigger yep. 625 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 3: And I think also Philly having so many these linemen 626 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 3: locked up and having guys on rookie deals, it allowed 627 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 3: him the luxury of being able to do this again. 628 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 3: I think it is a luxury to take a linebacker, 629 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 3: you know, running back, you know, tight end, what have 630 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 3: you in the first round. But you had to have 631 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 3: the rest of the house built. They got the rest 632 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 3: of the house built so they could take that luxury 633 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 3: and they get a big time player second round. For 634 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 3: obvious reasons. Mike Green to the Ravens was my highest rate. 635 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 3: He was my twenty first rated player. It was not 636 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 3: anything football related. He fell to the fifty ninth pick. 637 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 4: Look, just had this conversation with a very prominent college 638 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 4: football writer and we talked about what I learned from 639 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 4: Baltimore and Ozzie Newsom, and I told you, I repeated 640 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 4: the story how Ozzie when I was a youngest gut 641 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 4: talked about the thing that translates sack production whatever, and 642 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 4: it was on the heels of Tyrell sucks sizzle coming 643 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 4: over ran a four eight, but was the CUA A 644 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 4: record holder in sacks. When I look at Mike Green 645 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 4: and I look at the sack production, and I look 646 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 4: at how he plays, and those things to me, he 647 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 4: had raven written all over them. I am not surprised 648 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 4: he ended up in Baltimore by. 649 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 2: The way I spoke to that same writer. 650 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 3: We haven't talked yet, but the article that is coming 651 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 3: out is going to be a fantastic And when it 652 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 3: comes out, I'm going to revisit what we said. Oh, 653 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 3: we'd all be on the record, so we'll be quoted 654 00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 3: in this article. I have that we're gonna have said 655 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 3: person on because I want to discuss it with him. 656 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 4: I had a chance to pull on an overport under 657 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 4: the garage. 658 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, those quotes. 659 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 3: All right, the third round. My let's see my fifty 660 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 3: fifth ranked player, Jared Wilson, the center from Georgia. He 661 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 3: goes ninety five to New England. So that was plus 662 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 3: forty points of value there in the third round. 663 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 4: So Jared Wilson is funny DJ. And it's funny because 664 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 4: sometimes when we do the TV thing, we don't get 665 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 4: a chance to talk about the players, like so many 666 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 4: of the players are kind of glossed over because we 667 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 4: played it hims when it comes to TV. But look 668 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 4: at pivot. Jared Wilson was intriguing. I'm not surprised about 669 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 4: the Patriot thing. It like that person that position is 670 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 4: so critical movement. It's hard to find like smart and 671 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 4: athletic at that. 672 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: Spot test to be a yeah, I like that one. 673 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 3: Then we get to the fourth round, it's New England again. 674 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 3: This is why they were so I love what they did. 675 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 3: I mean, Joshua Farmer to me was my seventy seventh 676 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 3: player as a defensive tackle out of Florida State who 677 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 3: had a great Senior Bowl. They got him at one 678 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 3: thirty seven and I don't have it. I don't have 679 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 3: it front him, but I think there was some injury 680 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 3: concerns or durability long term question marks there, but as 681 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 3: a player shooting. At one point time he was in 682 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 3: my top fifty, Like he's a good player. They got 683 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 3: him in the fourth round. 684 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 4: You know, it's funny you talk about Farmer being in 685 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 4: your top fifty. There are a lot of people that 686 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 4: talked about him and his work ethic and how hard 687 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 4: he played and what he would add to a team. 688 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 4: Sometimes DJ on draft weekend, things just get sideways where 689 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 4: you guys just gonna slap fall through the cracks through 690 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 4: no fault of their own. And every time we look 691 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 4: back at the drafts, like, man, I don't know how 692 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 4: it's got to get to the fourth round. He could 693 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 4: be one of those guys that we talked about when 694 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 4: we revisit the draft in a few years. 695 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 3: I'm not a surprise the fifth rounder with Shador, who 696 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 3: was the last of my top fifty to go. He 697 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 3: was my twentieth player ended up going one forty four. 698 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 3: All the signs again we said everything you take with 699 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 3: a grain of salt. Here at the early signs look good. 700 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 3: At mini camp, I mean look for all the discourse 701 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 3: and all the conversation, and it got tiresome on all 702 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 3: sides to me, but the guy was a heck of 703 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 3: a lot better than one hundred and forty fourth pick. 704 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 3: I mean that nobody should dispute that, and he's going 705 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 3: to end up being a great value pick, I think. 706 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 2: So. 707 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 4: It might have upset the apple Quarde in Cleveland in 708 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 4: terms of how they wanted to do things, but they'll 709 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 4: look back and say it was a really great pick 710 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 4: for them. There's no doubt. People can say whatever whether 711 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 4: you like him or not. The personality, there's no way 712 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 4: as a player, he was a fifth round pick. There's 713 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 4: no way. And so the Browns pulled the trigger. They 714 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 4: created a bit of a circus maybe around it because 715 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 4: he's so prominent on social media in terms of like 716 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 4: people either love him or hate him. But there's no 717 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 4: doubt he's good. And whatever the clips are did he 718 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 4: put out there about him throwing and making passes, whatever, 719 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 4: it's not surprising. But now for him it has to 720 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 4: carry over into production when he gets his opportunity into 721 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 4: preseason whatever. I will say this though, I will say 722 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 4: his approach, the attitude and stuff that he's exhibited behind 723 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 4: the mic and on the field, and the way that 724 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 4: his teammates have talked. I would say that has been 725 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 4: a good thing, and I won't say it was negative before, 726 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 4: but a step in the positive direction in terms of 727 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 4: changing the perception maybe internally on how he would be 728 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 4: if he had an opportunity to be the quarterback. 729 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 3: Don't you think there's part of him that's just kind 730 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 3: of excited to actually, like go away, like this is 731 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: the first time he's not being coached by family. Like 732 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 3: it in some ways, and obviously Deon did a phenomenal 733 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 3: job of training him up and getting him ready to go, 734 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 3: and the guy's an NFL player, But there's also got 735 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 3: to be something like, man, it's kind of nice having 736 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 3: some new voices, like you know. 737 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 4: A little bit. But here's the thing, and here's what 738 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 4: I cannot and I haven't been able to like, I 739 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 4: thought that there was gonna be a natural connection between 740 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 4: him playing under Pat Shermer, who Kevin Stefanski worked as 741 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 4: a quarterback coach under, and him being able to easily 742 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 4: assimilate into whatever the Browns are doing. I don't know, 743 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 4: maybe there's not that connection whatever, but I always thought 744 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 4: that that would be a natural thing. I will say, 745 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 4: listening to the micd up with Tommy Reese and how 746 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 4: they were talking to me. We've always felt like this 747 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 4: system was the right system for it. He got to 748 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 4: it not the way that we thought, but he ended 749 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 4: up getting into the system that we felt like was 750 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 4: best for him. Now, it was about him taking advantage 751 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 4: of the opportunity. 752 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 3: One percent all right in the sixth and seventh rounds. 753 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 3: In the sixth round it was Jalen Reed, the safety 754 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 3: from Penn State. My seventy fourth player was one P 755 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 3: eighty seven, so that was a massive difference there. So 756 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 3: I liked him a lot more than where he ended 757 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 3: up going. And then lastly, not a surprise because it's 758 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 3: a quarterback, but quin Ewrs was my one hundred and 759 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 3: nineteenth player and he was a two one hundred and 760 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 3: thirty first pick. He almost went undrafted man seventh round 761 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 3: pick going to the Miami Dolphins. 762 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 4: Unbelievable. But once again, DJ, the most important part is 763 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 4: fit in scheme. This is a perfect scheme for Queen Yours. 764 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,720 Speaker 4: Haven't been around Queen Us since he was in high school. 765 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 4: We had a chance to talk to him in path 766 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 4: to the draft. Like to me, I think there's a 767 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 4: weight off his shoulders in terms of depressure. That's not 768 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 4: on him. He actually has an opportunity to go to 769 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 4: a place and just play ball without all the fanfare 770 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 4: and stuff for the first time in his entire life. 771 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 4: And we have seen lesser players coming there and play well. 772 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 4: And I said, we saw Skylet Thompson lead this team 773 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 4: to the playoffs and playing a postseason game. Quinn Ewers 774 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 4: can do this in this system. He has enough weaponry 775 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 4: around him if he has a chance to play to 776 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 4: have success. So it should be a good thing for him. 777 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 3: No doubt. Excited to see what that looks like. There's 778 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 3: Zach Wilson in that room, TUA. That's an interesting preseason. 779 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to follow all those guys see how 780 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 3: they end up doing. Buck anything else you want to 781 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 3: get to before we jump out here. It's been great 782 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 3: to catch up, man. 783 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 4: Man, it has been great to catch up. Like DJ, 784 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 4: It's fun because like as much as we talk about 785 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 4: the draft, like now, we guys going to camp like 786 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 4: OTAs and stuff, like football is kind of back in 787 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 4: a way, in a weird way, like football is back. 788 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 4: And so I'm sure you will probably pop in see 789 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 4: what the charges are doing. I'll get a chance to 790 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 4: go to Jacksonville at the end of the month and 791 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 4: kind of see what they're doing. So I'm excited to 792 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 4: see how the young guys are playing. 793 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 2: No doubt. 794 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 3: Well, it's been great to be back together, great to 795 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 3: chat some football. We'll do it again soon. We appreciate 796 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 3: you guys hanging with us and we'll see you next time. 797 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 3: Right here on, move the sticks.