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Speaker 2: deep dive into the play in tournament in both conference.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you guys some numbers just based on

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Speaker 2: the strength of schedule and where teams are in the standings,

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Speaker 2: little bit of a touch on the contenders at the

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Speaker 2: the show where we're gonna go over some of my

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Speaker 2: favorite bad takes from this season. So this a little

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Speaker 2: bit of an early start for you guys this morning.

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Speaker 2: You gen z Ors, I could tell you're a little sleepy.

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Speaker 2: I can see it in your eyes. Carson, I could

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Speaker 2: Anyway, We're gonna start out in the Western Conference. So

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Speaker 2: as as a quick synopsis, we have kind of three

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Speaker 2: tiers in the West Plain Tournament. The Pelicans are currently

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Speaker 2: at the five seed. They are at twenty seven losses

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Speaker 2: after a loss last night to the Orlando Magic. Also,

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Speaker 2: Brandon ingram hypercented his knee is going to be out

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Speaker 2: at least two weeks heading into a pretty tough stretch

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Speaker 2: of their Skins schedule as well. They are at twenty

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Speaker 2: seven losses, ninth toughest remaining schedule, fifty two percent opponent

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Speaker 2: winning percentage. Then we have the Mavericks, the Sons, and

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Speaker 2: two more than the Pels. The MAVs have a forty

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Speaker 2: with you, Carson, What is your best guess for how

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Speaker 4: So I think that we're probably gonna end up with

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Speaker 4: I think that the Pelicans are in some risk of

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Speaker 4: I just think they do have really tough schedules, as

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Speaker 3: Front of them. And then I do still think the

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Speaker 4: In nine to ten. They may have a bit of

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Speaker 1: I think if we're gonna see a team fluctuate between

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Speaker 2: Yeah, again, like that last when you get into the

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Speaker 2: they're in a little bit of an easier stretch right here.

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Speaker 2: So like, I actually think that it's more likely than

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Speaker 2: between the Lakers and the Warriors. We'll start with you, Logan.

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Speaker 1: Man, I've flip flopped between this all season long, and

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Speaker 1: I've wanted to sell my stock since the start of

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Speaker 1: this season, and I picked the Lakers to win the title.

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Speaker 1: I really want to take Golden State, guys, I really

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Speaker 1: want to take Golden State. And I think they have

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Speaker 1: Brandon Pitzimski and tray Jackson Davis. I can't sing tj

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Speaker 1: just can't bring myself to take Golden State. Jason. You

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Speaker 4: They didn't have a center who was athletic enough last year.

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Speaker 3: So even though I love.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I look at it like this when Vanderbilt out,

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Speaker 2: And he went out and he did that. And so again,

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Speaker 2: But I'd say I give the Warriors a little bit

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Speaker 2: If you're the Lakers, who's the one team you want

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Speaker 4: I think you would have to be Dallas if they're

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Speaker 4: And so I just think they're the scariest team. The

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Speaker 3: So it's definitely Dallas to me.

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Speaker 1: If Dallas is in the conversation, I'd say Dallas, Sacramento

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Speaker 1: If I'm LA, I don't really consider I have enough

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Speaker 1: I would take Golden State honestly, Like, and that's what

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Speaker 1: right if Anthony Davis has an off night shooting, like,

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Speaker 1: Because I consider Dallas kind of out of this conversation,

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Speaker 2: Kings really they're The Kings are a bad defense, but

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Speaker 2: two defensive strengths both play specifically into Laker offensive weaknesses,

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Speaker 2: which is, the Lakers guards struggle against ball pressure, good

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Speaker 2: And secondly, Anthony Davis is an inconsistent over the top

433
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Speaker 2: shot maker, and so Bonus is quicker and stronger than him,

434
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Speaker 2: so you can beat him to spots and force him

435
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Speaker 2: to make shots over the top. Some Knights, Anthony Davis

436
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 2: makes all his hooks and jumpers, and some Knights he

437
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 2: just can't make him to save his life, and that

438
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 2: can be a problem. And then on the other end

439
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 2: of the floor, it's just a simple matter of like

440
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Speaker 2: I actually like the Lakers against over the top shot makers,

441
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Speaker 2: which is your Luca, You're Kyrie obviously looking at even

442
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 2: the Suns guys, even looking at the Clippers guys, even

443
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 2: looking at the thunder guys. Like, the Lakers have done

444
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 2: really well this year defensively against teams that rely on

445
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Speaker 2: over the top shot making, because they have good positional

446
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 2: defenders that can get contests on shots, and because the

447
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 2: Lakers do so much damage in the paint on the

448
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 2: other end of the floor, it brings a physical wear

449
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: and tear element that can sometimes lead to jump shots missing.

450
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of complaints from people who don't

451
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 2: like the Lakers this year, being like, oh, they got lucky,

452
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: this team misshots. Oh they got lucky, this team misshots,

453
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 2: and they don't realize it keeps happening because the Lakers

454
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 2: play bully ball and that can have a wear and

455
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Speaker 2: tear effect on the game, whereas like with the with

456
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Speaker 2: the Kings in particular, obviously Darreon Fox is having a

457
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 2: great pull up shooting year. Obviously we know Milik Monk

458
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 2: can hit pull up jump shots. Obviously we know Harrison

459
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Speaker 2: Barnes and Keigan Murray and Kevin Herder and these guys

460
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 2: can shoot. But they're the primary driving force behind their

461
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: offense is actually a downhill force element. It's it's Darren

462
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Speaker 2: Fox and Malik Monk. It's it's Demonisa Bonus in his

463
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Speaker 2: power game. So like they're they're a team that I

464
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Speaker 2: think plays more directly into the Lakers weaknesses on both

465
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Speaker 2: ends of the floor. All right, quickly, Warriors, starting with you, logan,

466
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Speaker 2: who's the one team you want to avoid? If you're

467
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Speaker 2: the Warriors.

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Speaker 1: Ironically, it's la. I think that matchups's gonna be a battle.

469
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Speaker 1: I think that they just match up really well against

470
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Speaker 1: each other. Like said earlier, I don't think Golden State

471
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Speaker 1: has an answer for ad. It's like, you know, I

472
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Speaker 1: think at the top of the draft we were doing

473
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Speaker 1: prospect breakdowns the other day. It's like they don't have

474
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Speaker 1: a big Zoo, they don't have a Hartenstein, they don't

475
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Speaker 1: have a Robinson, and like just having a big kind

476
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Speaker 1: of a big body like I think if Golden State

477
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Speaker 1: could somehow swing it like a Donovan Klingen or somebody

478
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Speaker 1: like that, like an immediate impact, big body center would

479
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: be really effective. I think for a team like Golden State,

480
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Speaker 1: where you could run different types of defensive coverages, you

481
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Speaker 1: just have a you know, you just have a physical answer.

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Speaker 1: A guy that just matches up well against any big

483
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Speaker 1: body in Golden State has not had that. With Looney

484
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Speaker 1: slightly tailing off this year, you know what I mean,

485
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Speaker 1: he's not the same guy that he once was. I

486
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Speaker 1: think they could get physically overwhelmed. Again. I'm not counting

487
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Speaker 1: them out, and this isn't a shot it Sacramento is

488
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Speaker 1: a Kings fan. I just kind of have a sinking

489
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Speaker 1: feeling that Sacramento is not going to get it done.

490
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Speaker 1: And then Phoenix. I don't know about you, guys, Phoenix

491
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Speaker 1: doesn't really scare me at all. I just think they

492
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Speaker 1: can't play defense. So ironically, I think the kryptonite for

493
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Speaker 1: both of these teams is a matchup against each other,

494
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Speaker 1: and it kind of seems like that's the collision course

495
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Speaker 1: that we're headed on. So for both teams, i'd say

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Speaker 1: it's LA Golden State.

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Speaker 4: I think it's LA for Golden State because of a

498
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Speaker 4: lot of the reasons that I laid out earlier, and

499
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Speaker 4: just to mention Phoenix, because I do think they're obviously

500
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Speaker 4: a very talented basketball team. I just don't necessarily identify

501
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Speaker 4: them as a tough matchup.

502
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Speaker 3: For a lot of people because it feels to.

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Speaker 4: Me like they are just very dependent on what level

504
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 4: of shot making are we going to get from our stars?

505
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Speaker 4: And generally, when I think about matchup, it's like, Okay,

506
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Speaker 4: what do you have that is going to make X

507
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Speaker 4: team uncomfortable? And because of their lack of defensive grip,

508
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Speaker 4: because of their lack of physicality, overall, I don't think

509
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Speaker 4: Phoenix is really going to shine there, it's going to

510
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Speaker 4: be like, what level are our stars playing at and

511
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Speaker 4: how is their difficult shot making? But I think it's

512
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Speaker 4: La Again. I think it's the star advantage. I think

513
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Speaker 4: it's the physical advantage. I do think Vandal coming back

514
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 4: is a real problem at the point of attack, just

515
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 4: able to hassle Steph off ball. I think we saw

516
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 4: how effective they're pick and roll coverages were with both

517
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Speaker 4: him and a d against Steph last year in the playoffs,

518
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Speaker 4: and so I think it's pretty clearly the Lakers who

519
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Speaker 4: the Warriors want to la Void.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's the Lakers too. I think if

521
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Speaker 2: in the event that they won a game against the Lakers,

522
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Speaker 2: let's say that they get the nine seed and they

523
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Speaker 2: go to Oracle and they win, or they happen to

524
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Speaker 2: upset them at a crypto, the team that I'd be

525
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Speaker 2: most worried about if I was Golden State at that

526
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Speaker 2: point is Dallas. They have the interior size and length

527
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Speaker 2: with Derek Lively. I actually I go back and forth

528
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Speaker 2: with Gafford and Lively, but I think in that specific matchup,

529
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Speaker 2: I'd really like doing some of the stuff that a

530
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Speaker 2: lot of teams have done against the Warriors where you

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Speaker 2: top lock in funnel and basically just count on Derek

532
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Speaker 2: g Lively to be kind of a deterrent at the rim,

533
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Speaker 2: you know, playing off of the non shooters. So yeah,

534
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Speaker 2: I'd probably lean towards Dallas in the event that they

535
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Speaker 2: escape the Lakers. But I agree with you that the Lakers.

536
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Speaker 2: To me, the Lakers are when healthy win Jared Vanderbilt

537
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Speaker 2: the best team out of that play in group overall,

538
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,479
Speaker 2: even including the Pelicans, just when they're actually healthy. But

539
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: that again, like I think, I think Jared Vanderbilt being

540
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: out has made the Lakers look so physically overwhelmed at

541
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Speaker 2: the on the perimeter, but like little things like when

542
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: Vando's in there, it just slots everything so much better.

543
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: Now Austin Reeves is guarding the second best perimeter player,

544
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Speaker 2: which is something he actually can handle as opposed to

545
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Speaker 2: being in a struggle position. Jared Vanderbilt is one of

546
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Speaker 2: their best defensive rebounders at the forward position. He's so

547
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: much better offensively this year than he was last year,

548
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Speaker 2: mainly because of the system that they're using. Like I think,

549
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Speaker 2: I think the Lakers are very much just in the

550
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: pack right now, But when Vanderbilt is healthy like they're

551
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Speaker 2: they're legitimately and I look at him more in that

552
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: tier with the teams below Denver at the top when

553
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Speaker 2: they're actually healthy. Moving on to the East Plan, and

554
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Speaker 2: we won't say as long on this one just because

555
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 2: it's not as interesting and some of the stuff is

556
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Speaker 2: more set. The nine and ten seeds are set, Chicago's

557
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: at the Atlanta's at the ten. That's most likely not

558
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: going to change. We do have three teams tied at

559
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 2: thirty one losses, though, the Pacers with a thirteenth toughest

560
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Speaker 2: remaining schedule fifty one percent opponent win percentage, the seventy

561
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Speaker 2: six ers twentieth toughest remaining schedule forty eight percent opponent

562
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Speaker 2: winning percentage, the Heat fourth easiest remaining schedule forty seven

563
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Speaker 2: percent in opponent winning percentage. So on this one, what

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Speaker 2: I'd like to see is just for fun, and we'll

565
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Speaker 2: start with you, Carson. What with number one being Boston

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Speaker 2: to Milwaukee, three being Cleveland, what's your ideal set of

567
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: matchups for the first round? Just as a basketball fan,

568
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Speaker 2: what would you prefer to see in the Eastern Conference

569
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Speaker 2: first round as the survivors from the plane?

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Speaker 4: So I think there's potential for some pretty fun matchups here,

571
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Speaker 4: just because of the Heat doing their normal regular season

572
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 4: routine where they have these brutal stretches, and obviously that's

573
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Speaker 4: some injuries early in the year, but just being way

574
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Speaker 4: down there in the standings, and then obviously Philly dropping

575
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Speaker 4: far because of the emb'd in. So I think there's

576
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Speaker 4: a couple of dangerous first round draws for the top seeds.

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Speaker 4: I would like to see Celtics heat in the first round,

578
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Speaker 4: just because I think that would be a fantastic test

579
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Speaker 4: for this Boston team, see how different they really are

580
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Speaker 4: than previous iterations. And I think that they are for

581
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Speaker 4: what it's worth, I think they're significantly better than last year.

582
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Speaker 4: But if anybody's gonna make them uncomfortable, it's Miami, and

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Speaker 4: I would just love to see that rematch. There's just

584
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 4: a pretty fun history in recent years between those teams

585
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 4: and these high stakes playoff matchups. Then I would like

586
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Speaker 4: to see buck sixers, and these are both very plausible.

587
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 4: I mean, Miami and Philly are both in that play

588
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 4: and range right now. I just think that seeing mbiid

589
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Speaker 4: Giannis would be a super fun first round matchup. I

590
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 4: think seeing what Tyrese Maxi could do against a Bucks

591
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 4: point of attack defense that obviously still has its issues

592
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 4: would be fun. I think seeing the Dame Maxi matchup

593
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 4: overall would be really exciting. And I think getting two

594
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Speaker 4: of the top five players on the planet, two huge

595
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 4: physical guys like Embiidiannis matched up, that would just be

596
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 4: really exciting. And those are two really good teams. I

597
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 4: think Philly's obviously much better than their seed this year.

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Speaker 3: Then I have calvs.

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Speaker 4: Pacers just as a sort of leftovers matchup. I think

600
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 4: that Cleveland is pretty clearly better there. The Pacers have

601
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 4: just been bumming me out ever since Hallie came back

602
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: from the hamstring, just because he's not even close to

603
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 4: the same player. So I loved watching him. I loved

604
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Speaker 4: watching their offense early in this year. I think that

605
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 4: he is still very much the future, but right now

606
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 4: he's just limping through this season. And I'd like to

607
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 4: see Akham fit. But when he is nothing close to himself,

608
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 4: when he can't get a step, when he's settling for

609
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: all these brutally tough pull up threes, like, the Pacers

610
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 4: aren't that fun and they just aren't that good because

611
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 4: they need that offense to be great. And then I

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Speaker 4: have Orlando against New York because I think that would

613
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 4: be a really fun, defensive minded matchup that would be

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Speaker 4: a kind of throwback series just in terms of the grittiness,

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Speaker 4: the physicality.

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Speaker 3: You have some big forwards.

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Speaker 4: In this matchup, if it's Fronds, if it's Paalo, if

618
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 4: it's Julius Randall. Obviously Ojananobi as a defensive counter, and

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Speaker 4: I would kind of enjoy the defensive chess match between

620
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Speaker 4: these two teams. And Orlando is a fun young team,

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Speaker 4: I personally don't think they really have the offensive ceiling

622
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Speaker 4: to make noise in this playoff run. I would definitely

623
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Speaker 4: take New York. I think healthy New York is a

624
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 4: really scary playoff team, But I think that would be

625
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Speaker 4: an interesting matchup for both these teams, and I think

626
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Speaker 4: it would just present some discomfort inherently by their play styles.

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Speaker 1: I think as long as Atlanta and Chicago get bounced,

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Speaker 1: I think the first round is gonna be awesome. As

629
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Speaker 1: long as we can remove both of those teams, it's

630
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Speaker 1: gonna be a good time. I flopped on some of these.

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Speaker 1: I think a rematch of Cavs Knicks would honestly be

632
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Speaker 1: really fun saying if Cleveland can make adjustments, and just

633
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: the fact that New York that battle of the interior

634
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: guys man Allen and Mobley versus Robinson and Randall Hartenstein.

635
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Speaker 1: That was awesome last year watching those guys bat Like

636
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: you talk about a throwback series, we kind of got

637
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Speaker 1: it last year, and I'm I'm honestly down to the

638
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: double down and get that again this year and see

639
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: if Cleveland can make adjustments, if the Knicks can just

640
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: go in there and handle business. I like, I really

641
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: like Philly versus Milwaukee. I think that. I mean, what

642
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: Tyrese Maxie has done in the absence of Joel Embiid

643
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: this season has been like astounding. You know, I knew

644
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: Maxi was great, but seeing him this year without having

645
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: a guy to rely on like Embiid, Maxie's pull up shooting,

646
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: his command of the offense, the way he's controlled the game,

647
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: I've been super impressed with him. So I think I

648
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: think it would be an offensive showdown between them and Milwaukee. Obviously,

649
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Milwaukee if Embid's not healthy. And then

650
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: on the Miami point, I want to ask you, guys,

651
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: I think Miami matches up because they just got the

652
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: heat culture. I think they're better than last year with

653
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: the improvement of guys like Triple j Yovich they had

654
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: in Terry Rozier. Is it wrong to me to question

655
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: if Jimmy Butler is gonna be good to go for

656
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,479
Speaker 1: this playoff rund? Like it's it's rubbed me the wrong way.

657
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: We haven't and I know Jimmy and Miami doesn't do

658
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: this every year, but Jimmy's just been so consistently out,

659
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: like you know, missing games. If it's I don't know,

660
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: is it wrong of me to be concerned if Jimmy

661
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: Butler is gonna be good to go come playoff time?

662
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 4: Be my guest man?

663
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: Are our our friend? Ryan Brumley has always said that

664
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: he hates Miami and Jimmy because because because they always

665
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: take the regular season off and it just makes them

666
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: really difficult to evaluate in that regard, to which point

667
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, I don't know.

668
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 4: Jimmy's been banged up a year after year, he generally

669
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 4: shows up in the playoffs and balls. I wouldn't be

670
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 4: the guy to be throwing around a bunch of anti

671
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 4: Miami takes right now, and listen I've been that guy.

672
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 4: I've been that guy, and I still am sitting here

673
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 4: saying that they're probably gonna lose first round. I mean,

674
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 4: that'll depend on the matchup, but I think Jimmy's gonna

675
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: be fine.

676
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: Uh So, I obviously Boston my m he is the

677
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: easy one. You just want to see that. That's a

678
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: fun rematch Milwaukee Philly. I I understand the appeal there,

679
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: and I'd be lying if I if I said I

680
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: wouldn't enjoy that as a basketball fan. But part of me, really,

681
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: like just for Embiid's sake, just hopes that Philly misses

682
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: the playoffs this here, because, like I just I don't

683
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: want him to rush back and then look like a

684
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: shell of himself and lose in the first round again

685
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: and then just further exacerbate the narrative surrounding him. Like

686
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: I think Embiid is eventually going to break through in

687
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: a big way in the postseason, and I'd almost rather

688
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 2: have him just sit out the rest of the season

689
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: than manage his knee more diligently next year, stop worrying

690
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: about regular season awards and just get to to April

691
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: healthy and then and then and then have him try

692
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: to make a run at that point. But that said,

693
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: obviously i'd have fun seeing Milwaukee Philly in the event

694
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: that Philly misses the playoffs. The team that I think

695
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: would be really fun to see against Milwaukee is a

696
00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: fun first round opponent is Chicago. They have a elethora

697
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: of perimeter defenders to throw Damian Lillard to make to

698
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: make work extremely hard. They have a lot of perimeter

699
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: speed in general, which is a weakness for Milwaukee. Their

700
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: set of perimeter shot creators, between guys like Kobe White

701
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: and Demarta Rosen, they would be comfortable most of the

702
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: series going against Milwaukee's perimeter options. And then, like Chicago

703
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: with Andre Drummond Nicola Vucevich, they actually have a decent

704
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: amount of interior size, which I think would help in

705
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 2: terms of the building of the wall type of stuff

706
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: going on when you're trying to defend Giannis in a

707
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: playoff series. So obviously i'd pick Milwaukee to win that series.

708
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 2: But talking about a fun first round matchup, obviously that'd

709
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: be a good one.

710
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 3: Calvs.

711
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: Pacers one hundred percent with you on that front, although calvs.

712
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: Nicks would also be a fun kind of like rematch

713
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 2: type of situation, Haliburton, do you, like, I think, I

714
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: don't know about you guys. Have either of you ever

715
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 2: had a hamstring strain? I have not, so I had

716
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: one before I played in college. This was when I

717
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: was very young. I was like eighteen nineteen years old,

718
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: and I ended up re injuring it a few times

719
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: before it finally got healthy. And I like, literally there

720
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: was a lengthy stage where I just didn't trust it

721
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: at all to like really take aggressive steps. And with

722
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: Tyrese Haliburton specifically when it comes to beating switches, he

723
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: needs to take those like really aggressive long steps to

724
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 2: get to his spots. And I just don't think he's

725
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: in a good place physically right now. And I think

726
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: it's starting to hurt his confidence, which is starting to

727
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 2: hurt even his wide open jump shooting. And I like,

728
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Carson. I'm a big believer in Haliburton

729
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: in the big picture, but he's just not close to

730
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: form right now, which is which is which is unfortunate.

731
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: And then Orlando New York, like, you could not script

732
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: a better just old fashioned nineteen nineties ass kicking of

733
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: a series that would just be that would just be

734
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: a ton of fun. All right, Moving on to the

735
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: top of the conference, though, I'm interested in kind of

736
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: talking about Boston and Milwaukee as it pertains to the future,

737
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: because both of these teams, with exception of a player

738
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: option for Drew Holliday which he may or may not

739
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 2: pick up, we'll see, but both of these teams, their

740
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: starting fives are more or less locked up or for

741
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: the next season, and more for some of the other guys. So,

742
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: with that being the circumstance, who has more urgency to

743
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: win a title this year? Boston or Milwaukee? We'll start

744
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: with you.

745
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: Logan urgency is an interesting word because if you think

746
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: that Damian Lillard is going to fall off next season,

747
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: or if he's not going to turn this around, I'd

748
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: probably say Milwaukee. That being said, I think it's interesting.

749
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: I was talking with one of my friends about how

750
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: long it takes like stars to jail with teams, and

751
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: so I wonder if it's just a year of growing pains. Right,

752
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: even Lebron, Dwayne Wade, and Chris Bosh didn't get it

753
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: done in their first year in Miami, and so I

754
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: wonder if it's just a time thing. I think it's

755
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 1: a personnel thing with Milwaukee, the fact that they don't

756
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: have point of attack defense that they don't have have

757
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: you know, they got a lot of aging guys on

758
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: their roster that they're getting older. I also do think

759
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: it's a chemistry thing and something that may improve with time.

760
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: I think Boston has more pressure, but I think the

761
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: team that needs to get it done more is probably

762
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: Milwaukee with their aging superstars. That being said, I don't

763
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: really see a path from Milwaukee. I've kind of been

764
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: off Milwaukee for a while. I think it would take

765
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: a serious injury to another team. I honestly think the

766
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: Knicks are probably my second favorite team in the Eastern Conference,

767
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: including Milwaukee. I would say urgency wise, I think there's

768
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: probably more pressure on Milwaukee just because they have so

769
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: many older guys on their team that you know, I

770
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: could see Brook Lopez taking even a further step back.

771
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 1: I could see Damian Lillard maybe taking another step back

772
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: next season. I'd say urgency wise, you know, Boston's younger.

773
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: There's a ton of pressure on Boston, man because they

774
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: keep hitting their freaking head on the ceiling, man, and

775
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: it's you just you keep wondering, like, when are they

776
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: finally gonna breakthrough. You know, twenty eighteen, you go seven

777
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: games in the Eastern Conference Finals against Lebron, twenty twenty,

778
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: you losing six to the Heat in the Eastern Conference Finals.

779
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: You collapse in the NBA Finals against the Warriors in

780
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: twenty two and then Miami slams the door in your

781
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: face again, and so you know, it's frustrating, and I

782
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of pressure mounting for Boston, but

783
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: they're not going anywhere. They've got a culture, they've got

784
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: the players locked up, They've got a ton of talent.

785
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: They're gonna be back here probably the next couple seasons.

786
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: So I think Boston has more pressure, but I think

787
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: there's gotta be a lot more urgency for Milwaukee. Man,

788
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: they're just older, and I mean, I can see this

789
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: and I didn't even mention Middleton. You know, Middleton's another

790
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: guy with health concerns with aging, with him potentially losing

791
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: a step. It's just I can see Milwaukee definitely knows diving.

792
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: After this season, Boston's probably a perennial contender. Despite how

793
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: frustrating they are there, They're gonna be back.

794
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 4: There's definitely more urgency for Milwaukee. They're just in a

795
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 4: much morecarious position. They've gone all in on this core

796
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 4: comprised mostly of dudes who are in their early in

797
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 4: mid thirties, outside of Yannis, who himself is still twenty nine.

798
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 4: I mean, he's not as young obviously as Jason Tatum

799
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 4: as the cornerstone, and there are legitimate basketball flaws here

800
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 4: that they have not been able to reconcile up to

801
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 4: this point. With the point of attack defense, the Dame

802
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 4: thing logan you talk about if it's fit, I absolutely

803
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 4: think that that is a factor. I think that we

804
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 4: still have not seen Dame and Yannis unlock the potential

805
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 4: that they have with their two man game. I think

806
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,959
Speaker 4: that there's still a really high ceiling there. But there's

807
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 4: just a bit of synergy and feel between the two

808
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 4: of them that they haven't totally tapped into. And just

809
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 4: the volume at which they run Jannis Dame pick and

810
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 4: roll has not been high enough, in my opinion, and

811
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 4: so then you have Dame running a bunch of pick

812
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 4: and roll with Brook Lopez and it's very stagnant, and

813
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 4: you know that he's popping every single time, and so

814
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 4: Dame shot quality has gone down. I think if he

815
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 4: we're running more pick and roll with a legitimate rim,

816
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 4: threatening athletic big that would just be better for everybody involved.

817
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 4: I also think Dame has lost a bit of a

818
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 4: step this year, though, I think in terms of quickness,

819
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 4: and he's getting to the rim at a career low rate,

820
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 4: like he's been on a really good stretch these last

821
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 4: three games, and I think he's capable of exploding. But

822
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 4: this is not the Damian Lillard that was advertised. This

823
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 4: is not the Damian Lillard that we saw last year,

824
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 4: who had maybe the offensive season of his career. And

825
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 4: so that's just frightening when you consider that's what you've

826
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 4: gone all in on, and that was supposed to be

827
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 4: like the miracle drug, that was supposed to be the

828
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 4: thing that would solve everything, fix your half court offense,

829
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 4: and from that point, your backline defense is good enough,

830
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 4: you're gonna contend. You have Damon Giannis, you have the

831
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 4: best duo on the planet. If that formula isn't great enough,

832
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 4: then Milwaukee's in a really tough spot because the rest

833
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 4: of this roster just isn't even close to up to

834
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 4: par with what Boston has. Boston has this team of

835
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 4: super soldiers man, this starting five.

836
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: That is just unfair.

837
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 4: And they are younger and they are healthy at this point,

838
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 4: Like I'm more worried about Chris Middleton being healthy for

839
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 4: a playoff run than Chris stops Porzingis and he's older

840
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 4: and Milwaukee's just slow because of their age. So yeah,

841
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 4: there is definitely more pressure on Boston in the sense that, hey,

842
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 4: you guys are overwhelmingly talented. You are the team that

843
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 4: hasn't done it yet. Milwaukee, albeit with Drew Holiday instead

844
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 4: of Damian Lillard, like most of these core guys have

845
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 4: gotten a ring. But if you are talking about actual,

846
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 4: circumstantial urgency, like if you guys don't do it this year,

847
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to start asking some big questions like

848
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,479
Speaker 4: maybe Boston would be so disappointed that the city eats

849
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 4: itself alive and they burn down Boston, then that's a problem.

850
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 4: But we know that they could come back next year

851
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 4: and still be the most talented team in the league

852
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 4: and Milwaukee doesn't have that luxury.

853
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, the way you both put it is perfect. I

854
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: would say Boston is more pressure and Milwaukee has more urgency.

855
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: The pressure basically just meaning Boston is expected to win

856
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 2: and so if they don't. There's aviously a certain level

857
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: of like backlash that will come from every basket. Like

858
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: Boston's in a position where like, if they don't win

859
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: it this year, no one will ever leave in them

860
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: until they actually hoist it. They could be up three

861
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: to two in the NBA Finals and no one would

862
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: would believe it until they actually hoisted the trophy. The

863
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 2: breakdown of the age that you the ages of the

864
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: starters that Carson kind of went over, is something that

865
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people don't realize. Like, as

866
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: of next year, all five of Milwaukee's starters will be

867
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: in their thirties, and this is a team that already

868
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: has a certain amount of a lack of foot speed,

869
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 2: and like even Giannis is starting to succumb to some injuries,

870
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: which has become a little bit more prevalent over the

871
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: last few years. This hamstring thing he's dealing with, there's

872
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: been a little tricky as he's been not as vertically

873
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: athletic as we're accustomed to seeing with Giannis. So yeah,

874
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: like in terms of the urgency, it really is that

875
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: simply you look at Boston, both of the Jays and

876
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: chrisops Porzingis are still firmly in the heart of their

877
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: prime in their late twenties. Of next year, both Derek

878
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: White and Drew Holliday will be in their thirties. But

879
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: they both look really good physically right now and are

880
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: more or less, you know, reliable in that regard. And

881
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: so just with Milwaukee, to put it simply, there's just

882
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: a shorter window. Even as you look at Boston, they're

883
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: still improving. Jalen Brown is playing the best basketball of

884
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: his career right now. Jason Tatum is since January first,

885
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: in a thirty five game sample size, is taking six

886
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 2: pull up threes per game and shooting over forty percent

887
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 2: on them. So all those conversations, just by the way,

888
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 2: we're legitimate. This is new information. We always have people

889
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: that are like, oh, take back everything you said about Tatum.

890
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: It's like, actually, he used to miss them. Now he

891
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: makes them. It's a difference. But like literally, for three years,

892
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: Tatum was a high volume pull up three point shooter

893
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: and couldn't make them at a high enough clip. He

894
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: was in the low thirties. And now he's hitting them

895
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: at forty percent. And so Tatum's getting better. Jalen Brown's

896
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: getting better. Christops Perzingis in the last two three years

897
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: has made significant leaps as a player. Derek White has

898
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: gone from being like an interesting young guard prospect to

899
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: like a useful role player to like a borderline fringe

900
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: star in terms of his overall impact on both ends

901
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 2: of the floor, and then Drew Holliday as a fifth starter.

902
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 2: You really can't do much better than that, and so

903
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: Boston just has more groom to grow. That's what's so

904
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: funny is even if Boston loses this year, everyone will

905
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: roast them, everyone will have fun at their expense, and

906
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: then they're going to be right back next year kicking

907
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: everybody's ass again. On the Milwaukee front, though, I want

908
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: to be clear, even though they're under more urgency and

909
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: even though they're not as good as Boston, there's a

910
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: lot of encouraging stuff there as well. Like some of

911
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: the issues with the two man game you had mentioned,

912
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: some of that has to do with the fact that

913
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 2: as Dame is starting to kind of figure it out,

914
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: Giannis has been dealing with some injury issues. Chris Middleton

915
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: has been out of the lineup for a good chunk

916
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 2: of this year, and now he's finally back. Damian Lillard

917
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: you mentioned it. Carson back to back to back thirty

918
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: point games for just the second time this season, but

919
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: zooming in on.

920
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: It a little bit further.

921
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: In his last thirteen games, on nine to three point

922
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 2: attempts per game, he's shooting forty four percent from three.

923
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 2: So Dame has been in a good offensive rhythm. I've

924
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 2: been seeing throughout the year enough to make me believe

925
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: that this was less about decline and more about learning

926
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: how to play with this particular group in terms of

927
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: the geometry of the floor and just where his touches

928
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: come from. And I think we're starting to see some

929
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: of that come together. And so I think Milwaukee is

930
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: still every bit as potent and capable as we thought

931
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: they were to begin the season. It's just been a

932
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 2: disappointing season because Dame was so bad for so much

933
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: of it, and because honestly, the Adrian Griffin issue as

934
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: well has to be factored in there. So I definitely

935
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: think Boston has more pressure, but Milwaukee definitely has more

936
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 2: urgency moving out west. So Nikole Jokic polishing up the jumper,

937
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: getting ready for the postseason. Jamal Murray obviously has been

938
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 2: playing in an all star level the Nuggets have lost

939
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: just twice since the All Star break, and both of

940
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: those losses involved a last second shot that either sent

941
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 2: it to ot or ended the game. They have had multiple,

942
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 2: probably about a half dozen, just ridiculous half court ass

943
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: kicking sessions that they've put on at the end of

944
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: games to put things away. I Denver just seems like

945
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 2: a freight train to me. And so I'm gonna present

946
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: this question to you guys like this, and I'll start

947
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 2: with you, Carson. Would you take Denver or the field

948
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: at this point to win the NBA title.

949
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: It's a really good question.

950
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 4: I would probably take Denver, but I don't think there's

951
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 4: a big gap between them and Boston. I'm very confident

952
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 4: that one of those two teams is gonna win the title.

953
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 4: I think that Boston is the most overwhelmingly talented, and

954
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 4: I think that as a basketball team, they have the

955
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 4: highest ceiling. With the level that Jalen Brown has been

956
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 4: playing at.

957
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 3: As of late.

958
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 4: Got if you get christophs ferzingis consistently knocking down his

959
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 4: shots from the perimeter, which he didn't really do when

960
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 4: they played Denver, and he was getting good looks there.

961
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 4: Just the overall athleticism that they have the combination of

962
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 4: perimeter defense and interior defense. In fact, they're a good

963
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 4: rebounding team. They have two star shot creators. Jalen's been balling,

964
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 4: Jason's having a career season. They can go on these

965
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 4: flame throwing runs from deep. They lead the league in

966
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 4: three point volume in their second in terms of their

967
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 4: percentage there. So the ceiling that they have is incredibly high.

968
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 4: I do still think that Denver is a bit more

969
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 4: reliable though, because their offensive brilliance is truly inevitable. They

970
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 4: are never going to break down in terms of process.

971
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 4: They are never going to experience the swings in terms

972
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 4: of perimeter shot making. That although Boston's ceiling is very high,

973
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 4: we saw the difference maker in their matchup, and Boston

974
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 4: fans may say, oh, well, we had a just miserable

975
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 4: shooting game from deep, but so did Denver. Denver made

976
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 4: four threes in that game. They could not knock down

977
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 4: a shot from the perimeter. And they have one advantage

978
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 4: that nobody else in the league does, which is that

979
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 4: that offensive machine just keeps churning because of Niko Ajokic's

980
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 4: in dominance offensively, because of his ability to create quality

981
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 4: shots in and around the paint for cutters, for Aaron

982
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 4: Gordon in the dunker spot. Jamal Murray's mid range shot making,

983
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 4: like Denver, is less susceptible to shot variants than anybody

984
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 4: else in the NBA. They won two games in the

985
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 4: finals last year where they made five to three pointers

986
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 4: or fewer. Nobody else did that in the entirety of

987
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 4: the postseason. Nobody else can survive off shooting nights like Denver.

988
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 4: And by the way, they're a really good shooting team,

989
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 4: but they don't need to be to win every single game,

990
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 4: and I think that that's a huge advantage. I think

991
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 4: there are top three offense of this century. I mean,

992
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 4: particularly in the clutch, the shot quality they can create

993
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 4: with either Aniko Jokic's post up. Obviously, I think he's

994
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 4: the best post score on the planet, in the best

995
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 4: scorer period, and he can get to any of those

996
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 4: touch shots and make sixty five percent of them no

997
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 4: matter who's on him. But if you dig, he's going

998
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 4: to create a good shot for a shooter, if you

999
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 4: double from the paint. He and Aaron Gordon have maybe

1000
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 4: the best two man chemistry that I've ever seen, and

1001
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 4: so there is an inevitability there, whereas Jason Tatum, yes,

1002
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 4: has been on a really good pull up shooting run.

1003
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 4: But you can see these stretches from Boston where the

1004
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 4: decision making from Tatum and Brown isn't great and they

1005
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 4: are susceptible to just downstretches in terms of perimeter shot making.

1006
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 4: And Denver's a really good defensive team too. I think

1007
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 4: that obviously, particularly on the perimeter. They have some good athletes,

1008
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 4: They're not a team that is at all easy to

1009
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 4: pinpoint mismatches with. I think about that a lot, where

1010
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 4: you see it in the MAVs game recently, for example,

1011
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 4: where Luca is like trying to hunt switches and go

1012
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 4: at Jamal Murray late in that game, and it's still

1013
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 4: not super easy, like Jamal's still a six to four compact,

1014
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 4: pretty athletic guard. So I think they're underrated defensively, and

1015
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 4: they're the best offense in the league, the offense that

1016
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 4: I trust the most by a good bit. But I

1017
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 4: just can't act like they are head and shoulders above

1018
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 4: Boston because I know what Boston is capable of. Boston

1019
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 4: has the most talented starting five that we've seen, certainly

1020
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 4: since the peak Golden State Warriors. I think this is

1021
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 4: a team that, in most post Warriors years, like would

1022
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 4: be better than the champion. I'm interested in your guys'

1023
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 4: thoughts on that because I think Denver is the strongest

1024
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 4: champion we've seen since those Warriors. I think if you

1025
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 4: dropped this Celtics team against the twenty nineteen field well Toronto,

1026
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 4: just because Golden State was hurt that year, the twenty

1027
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 4: twenty Lakers are tough, but the twenty twenty one Bucks

1028
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 4: twenty twenty two Warriors. I think this Boston team is

1029
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 4: so overwhelmingly talented that I would take them against most

1030
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 4: of those teams, and I think that that's a testament

1031
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 4: to how strong both these teams are.

1032
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 3: I think that we.

1033
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 4: Are headed on kind of a collision course for one

1034
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 4: of the best finals of this century. I view both

1035
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 4: these teams very, very highly.

1036
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm taking Denver, and I agree with you. I think

1037
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a battle of the Titans. If the

1038
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: Celtics are the Avengers, Jokic is Thanos and Nice. To me,

1039
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: it comes down to one thing. Jason made a I

1040
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: can't remember what take you made it about. Jason, you

1041
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: were talking about how star players. Their teams assume the

1042
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: identity of their star player, and I really think that

1043
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: that's what it comes down to with both of these teams.

1044
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: The Celtics leader is Jason Tatum, and Tatum is susceptible

1045
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: to bad pull up shooting runs, settling for a lot

1046
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: of threes, and so that's what his team does a lot.

1047
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm not putting that on on Jason Tatums shoulders, but

1048
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: by and large, they have assumed the identity of Jason Tatum.

1049
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: And there's no team more in the NBA that I

1050
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: think has assumed the identity of their leaders than the

1051
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 1: Denver Nuggets. Jokic's impact, his unselfishness not only creates open

1052
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: looks and open opportunities for his teammates, but it makes

1053
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: his teammates more unselfish. Like watch a Nuggets game and

1054
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: it will blow you away when you're watching Aaron Gordon

1055
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: kick it to MPJ and MPJ will swing it, and

1056
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 1: it's just it's beautiful basketball. Carson, you talk about them

1057
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: being one of the greatest offenses of this century. It's

1058
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: the most beautiful basketball. It's like the twenty twentyds and

1059
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: twenty ten Spurs. It's like the twenty tens Warriors. The

1060
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: ball movement is unreal, and that's what it comes down

1061
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: to me, Like the entirety of the Nuggets team has

1062
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: assumed part of Jokic's identity is We're gonna play unselfish,

1063
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: beautiful basketball. We're gonna make that extra pass and it's

1064
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: gonna kill you. It's part and why the Nuggets are

1065
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: so infallible when it comes to clutch offense, because they

1066
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: are looking for that extra pass, because they are looking

1067
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: to play make for their Their team is just so

1068
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: unselfish because their leader is. And that's the beautiful thing

1069
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: about the Nuggets, and that's why I can't pick against them.

1070
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: I do think the Celtics are probably the most talented

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00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: team we've seen since the Warriors, even with like and

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00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty Lakers are probably the closest. But there's

1073
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: a depth advantage that the Celtics have that the Lakers

1074
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: don't have when you're comparing those teams apples to apples.

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00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: So I don't want to undersell Boston. But what it

1076
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: comes down to me is the fact that both of

1077
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: these teams, you know, buy into their identity, their culture,

1078
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: their leader. I trust Denvers culture and their leader more,

1079
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: and I think it is permeated to the rest of

1080
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 1: the roster in a way that you seldom see with teams.

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00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: Man Like their unselfishness is unreal, and that's that's ultimately

1082
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: why I buy in and can't bet against Denver. Also

1083
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: the fact, like you mentioned, Carson, you got MPJ just

1084
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: banging nails on contested threes. Every one of their players

1085
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: has something that they can kill you with. Man if

1086
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: it's an Aaron Gordon dunkor spot lob, if it's it's coming.

1087
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: I do think the Nuggets are inevitable and I would

1088
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: really be surprised if they didn't win the title.

1089
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 2: To be clear, I have Denver as my championship favorite,

1090
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 2: and I'm more confident in them now than I was

1091
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 2: even to start the season they have. I think they're

1092
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 2: just better than they were last year. I think they

1093
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: have more well defined roles and more well defined processes

1094
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: on both ends of the floor even than Boston does,

1095
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 2: which I think allows them to kind of reach their

1096
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: ceiling more frequently than Boston does, even though I agree

1097
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: boston ceiling is higher. Carson, I thought the bit you

1098
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 2: did on their lack of a life on variants was

1099
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: super super interesting. That stat about the five May threes

1100
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 2: in the finals. That's absolutely crazy, and I mean that

1101
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 2: I think that reflected in the Celtics games. They got

1102
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 2: outshot by Boston in both games on jump shots in

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00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 2: terms of jump shot efficiency, and both of those teams

1104
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 2: are good jump shooting teams. They're both top ten jump

1105
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 2: shooting teams in the league by a point per shot efficiency,

1106
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: and so like their ability to weather that kind of storm.

1107
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 2: And again then I think like one of the big

1108
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: ones too, is just Denver knows exactly like their hierarchy

1109
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 2: in big situations. Boston can get a little bit finicky

1110
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: on that end, and they they don't really know what

1111
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: they want to run, which I think is part of

1112
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 2: the reason why they get inconsistent. That said, winning four

1113
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 2: championship rounds is really really hard. And even though I

1114
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: would put I would pick Denver over the field in

1115
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: the Western Conference, I think once you throw in that

1116
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: Boston variable, I think, like I think that it's just

1117
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: a it's a lot to say Denver winning over anybody

1118
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: else as an option. And so even though more confident

1119
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 2: Denver or in Denver than I have been at all

1120
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: this season, I still think like there's a less than

1121
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 2: fifty percent chance that they win, just because of all

1122
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: of the variables that go into it. I would pick them.

1123
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 2: I will pick them in every series. I will pick

1124
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: them against Boston if they get to the finals. I

1125
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 2: agree with you, Carson, I think it's going to be

1126
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 2: an all time great series. That said, I think there's

1127
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 2: there's obviously, like just a ton of variants in the NBA.

1128
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: I mean, even just looking back to the simple fact

1129
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: that we haven't had a repeat conference finalist in the

1130
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: last five years just goes to show you the stuff

1131
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 2: that you can run into in a postseason series. Not

1132
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: to mention the injury risk along the way too, Like

1133
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 2: it's just there's just always a chance that maybe Jowell

1134
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 2: Murray will go down or Michael Porter Junior will go

1135
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: down before you get there. And obviously, as we know,

1136
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: Denver synergy depends so much on all five of those

1137
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 2: guys being healthy. And so yeah, I think I think

1138
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 2: Denver fans should feel very confident. But if I was

1139
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,479
Speaker 2: forced to pick Denver the field, I'd pick the field

1140
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 2: just because I think the field is all unless you're

1141
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: picking like Tiger Woods in his prime, UH to win

1142
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: a major like it's hard to it's hard to go

1143
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: against the field in these sorts of situations. All right,

1144
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 2: before we get out of here today, we're gonna have

1145
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: a fun game. We're gonna go rapid fire style. We're

1146
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 2: gonna start with Logan. I'm gonna give you I have.

1147
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 3: Six of uh.

1148
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to call it bad takes, because sometimes

1149
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: I think hot takes are good takes just for entertainment's sake.

1150
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 2: Let's just call these, let's call these takes that I

1151
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: vehemently disagree with. Okay, I've got I've got six of them.

1152
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 2: What I want to do is we're gonna go back

1153
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 2: and forth. We'll go rapid fire style. I just want you,

1154
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 2: guys to give your initial reaction, like what your what

1155
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: your basketball mind screams when you see something like this

1156
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 2: when you're scrolling through your phone in the morning over

1157
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: some coffee, like the spit take, and then and then

1158
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: what comes next? All right, So Logan, you're up first.

1159
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 2: This is from the famous Hooper Twitter account ball Don't stop.

1160
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 2: The three highest scoring players ever, meaning Kareem Abdul Jabbar

1161
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 2: and uh A, Karl Malone and Lebron James wouldn't really

1162
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: be considered pure scorers, but their durability was insane, and

1163
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: they're scoring arsenal just worked so well and efficiently. They

1164
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 2: really outlasted everyone from their era and the era after

1165
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: their era. Logan, how do you feel about Karl Malone,

1166
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: Lebron James, and Kareem Abduljabbar not being considered pure scorers

1167
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 2: by the Hooper community?

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00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: Really know what that means? I mean, what, how do

1169
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: you score nearly forty thousand points or forty thousand plus points?

1170
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: The only guy I'd say is probably Karl Malone because

1171
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: he was a John Stockton merchant, but that's another conversation

1172
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: for another day. I mean, yeah, dude, like Kareem and

1173
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: Lebron just have two of the most unstoppable scoring skill

1174
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: sets of all time. Lebron with the fact that he's

1175
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: one of the greatest rim pressures and most unstoppable athletes ever,

1176
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: and then Kareem would just one of the most immaculate

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00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: postgames and shots of all times. So I don't really understand.

1178
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't consider them like pure scorers because they do

1179
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: everything else else, but to not call them scorers is ridiculous.

1180
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: They're two of the greatest of all time. That's kind

1181
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: of ridiculous to me.

1182
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally unsurprising though coming from ball Don't Stop especially, And.

1183
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 3: I think that there is a large group of.

1184
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 4: The basketball community who has a serious infatuation with basically

1185
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 4: the aesthetics of one on one boy nice in very

1186
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 4: little interest in the effectiveness. Logan said it well, like

1187
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 4: if you can't stop something, you can't stop it. What

1188
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 4: baldon't Stop said in that tweet about the effectiveness of it,

1189
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 4: that's what matters, what should define if somebody is a

1190
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 4: great scorer. I mean, pure scorer is such a nebulous term.

1191
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 4: Like what does pure mean that you also don't excel

1192
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 4: in the other aspects of the game, Like is that

1193
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 4: something that we want to be lauding? Do we love

1194
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 4: Cam Thomas because all he does is take tough shots?

1195
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 4: And like, yeah, I like Cam Thomas when he's on, Like,

1196
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 4: you know, he's got a really shifty movement style, and

1197
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 4: he's got a deep bag and he's a tough shot creator.

1198
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 4: But there's a reason that there's not a lot of

1199
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 4: teams banging on the door to get Pam Thomas. There's

1200
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 4: a reason that Jamal Crawford wasn't as good as he

1201
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 4: was fun to watch a highlight tape of, Like these

1202
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 4: dudes who may have these awesome dribble combinations and may

1203
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 4: be great, difficult shot makers. Like, if you aren't getting

1204
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 4: to your spots, if you aren't making life easy on

1205
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 4: yourself offensively, and especially if you aren't doing the other

1206
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 4: things that matter in a basketball game, playmaking, defending, rebounding,

1207
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 4: et cetera, then you're just not gonna be that effective

1208
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 4: in an NBA game. So I see this sort of

1209
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 4: thinking all the time. To me, it just doesn't make sense,

1210
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 4: Like there is value in having a tough shot making

1211
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 4: skill set, right, Like if you are going to try

1212
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 4: to run clutch offense through Giannison Tantakoupa, who may be

1213
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 4: a super effective scorer, you're gonna have issues because if

1214
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 4: teams just fully commit to hey, we're walling off the rim.

1215
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 4: In this specific situation, he doesn't have the requisite counters.

1216
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 4: But for most of the game, I mean, he's just

1217
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 4: going to be able to get thirty efficiently because he

1218
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 4: has these unstoppable traits. And I think many people overvalue

1219
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 4: just how does it look when you score?

1220
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it gets a little complicated

1221
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 2: when you're differentiating between the Yannis types and like the

1222
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 2: Lebron's and the Kraam Abdul jabars and the Yokices, Cause

1223
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 2: it's like there is some truth to the fact that,

1224
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: you know, Jannis's lack of skill polish can become an

1225
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 2: issue when he gets into the half court, which is

1226
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 2: more complicated than just reading his point progec he's a

1227
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 2: better score than ja Yeah, like it really, you know,

1228
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 2: but for sure, yeah, no, you're you're.

1229
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 3: I agree the.

1230
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, Like the hilarious part to me about this

1231
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: tweet is the part that says they're scoring. Arsenal just

1232
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: works so well and efficiently, and it's like, oh, so

1233
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: that's what a pure scorer is, isn't it, Like like

1234
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 2: that's the literal definition the And then also like again,

1235
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 2: so much of the aesthetic appeal like some of these guys,

1236
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 2: like Lebron, for instance, I think honestly Lebron's bag, so

1237
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 2: to speak, has been highly underrated over the course of

1238
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 2: his career. But also like bully ball is the most

1239
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 2: effective and reliable form of scoring when you get to

1240
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 2: the later form of later rounds of the playoffs. That's

1241
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 2: just a fact and lastly, before we move on, Like,

1242
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: the funniest thing to me is like the sixteen dribble

1243
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: combination pull up jump shot is also like one of

1244
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 2: the hardest things to play alongside as a teammate. Like

1245
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 2: it's a rhythm disruptor. And what's so funny is like

1246
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 2: all these guys, the karl Malons, the krim Abduljabbars and Lebron's,

1247
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 2: their scoring came in a way that allowed other people

1248
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 2: to score well around them. And like, then you get

1249
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 2: these guys like Kyrie or not, Kyrie's more lumped in

1250
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 2: with just the way that Dallas plays. But let's talk

1251
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: about Luca for instance. Like Luca, like you have to

1252
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 2: put play finishers around him because if you put other

1253
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 2: guys who can dribble, shoot and pass around him, they

1254
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 2: would never be in rhythm because they'd be watching Luca

1255
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 2: take seventeen dribbles on every single possession. And so like,

1256
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 2: what's so funny is the specific type of style of

1257
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 2: scoring that he is referencing here is probably the kind

1258
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 2: that is like least it has a value, but it's

1259
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,959
Speaker 2: less valuable than the other forms of scoring that exist

1260
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 2: out there. Okay, next one, this is not a quote,

1261
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 2: but it's come from several Miami Heat players, so I'm

1262
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 2: just gonna kind of reference it vaguely or start with

1263
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 2: du Carson. A few Miami Heat players have said that

1264
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 2: Chris bosh was the most important player on the heatles

1265
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 2: because he was a stretched big, even though he was

1266
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 2: on the same team with Lebron James, what's your reaction, Yeah.

1267
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 3: That's pretty hilarious.

1268
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 4: That's a classic case of people galaxy brain and things

1269
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 4: and making things more complicated than they are. I don't

1270
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 4: really have a bunch to say. I mean, Lebron was

1271
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 4: clearly the best player on the planet in both Miami

1272
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 4: title years and just an absolute full crumb both offensively

1273
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 4: and defensively. His versatility in Miami was the best of

1274
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 4: his career. His ability to play multiple styles like I

1275
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 4: think the super heliocentric ball dominant Lebron that we got

1276
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 4: in the second Cleveland stint, Like his mastery of the

1277
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 4: game intellectually was incredibly impressive, but his ability to play

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Speaker 4: off ball as well in Miami with just that sort

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Speaker 4: of freak athleticism. I mean, the best combination of his

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Speaker 4: explosiveness from those first Cleveland years and his strength and

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Speaker 4: then he was at his defensive peak. I mean, Lebron

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Speaker 4: was at one of the highest peaks we've ever seen

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Speaker 4: from a basketball player ever, And so I'm very happy

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Speaker 4: that Chris Bosh was able to stretch the floor. And

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Speaker 4: obviously he was a very good basketball player. But you

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Speaker 4: take Lebron off those teams, you see what happens like

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Speaker 4: in the subsequent years. And obviously d Wade had diminished

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Speaker 4: at that point, and Chris Bosh obviously had all of

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Speaker 4: his health issues. But like they were an okay playoff

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Speaker 4: team after Lebron left, and I think it's very obvious

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Speaker 4: that they would not have been tending. And it's like

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Speaker 4: giving Iggy the Finals MVP in twenty fifteen. Sometimes we

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Speaker 4: look at people maybe exceeding their value or doing one

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Speaker 4: specific thing that is super valuable. Oh my god, he

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Speaker 4: guarded Lebron and he shot the ball really well, and

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Speaker 4: we want.

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Speaker 3: To reward that.

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Speaker 4: But it's like, who would you not be with in

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Speaker 4: the who would you not be there in the first

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Speaker 4: place if you didn't have Well, maybe it's Steph Curry,

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Speaker 4: the guy who completely changed modern NBA offense and drove

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Speaker 4: all the Warrior success on that side of the ball,

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Speaker 4: So I think that's a very silly take.

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Speaker 1: I mean, credit to Chris Bosh for grabbing one of

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Speaker 1: the most important rebounds in NBA history, But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just completely disagree with this one. I'll give Chris Bosh

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Speaker 1: a credit for doing another thing too. I think it's

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Speaker 1: important too. When you have that accumulation of talent, when

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Speaker 1: you have two bona fide guys who are maybe the

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Speaker 1: best players on the planet, it takes sacrifice, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. Chris Bosh had to sacrifice his role,

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Speaker 1: his numbers, his view of you know, his stance as

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Speaker 1: a player in the league, legacy wise, to go win championships.

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Speaker 1: That's what championships take sacrifice from guys, you know, taking

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Speaker 1: a lesser role and doing that role to perfection. And

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Speaker 1: I'll give Chris Bosh a ton of credit for doing

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Speaker 1: that and being a really underrated player. I think he's

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Speaker 1: probably underrated now, especially you know, combined with the fact

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Speaker 1: that he took a lesser role and the fact that

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Speaker 1: you know his career was shortened because of blood clot issues.

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Speaker 1: That's got to be one of the most hyperbolic takes

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Speaker 1: or ridiculous, Like, what are we doing here?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 1: I mean that version of Lebron's one of the greatest

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Speaker 1: players ever. The volume