WEBVTT - Matthew Perry: The One Where He Dies

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<v Speaker 1>Disgraceland is a production of Double Elvis. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>story about Matthew Perry, one of the most beloved television

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<v Speaker 1>actors of all time, from one of the most celebrated

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<v Speaker 1>television shows of all time, Friends. But this is also

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<v Speaker 1>a story about addiction and purpose, about million dollar paydays

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<v Speaker 1>every week and about nine million dollars spent on fighting

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<v Speaker 1>an addiction. It's about comas and colostomy bags, and beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>movie stars and fax machines, crooked doctors, and ketamine queens.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a story about a man who loved the spotlight

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<v Speaker 1>like a singer loves a great song or great music.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike that music. I've played few at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the show that wasn't great music. That was a preset

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<v Speaker 1>loop from my melotron called Unskinny Tata one. I played

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<v Speaker 1>you that loop because I can't afford the rights to

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<v Speaker 1>I'll Make Love to You by Boys to Men. And

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<v Speaker 1>why would I play you that specific slice.

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<v Speaker 2>Of number one cheese? Could I afford it?

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<v Speaker 1>Because that was the number one song in America on

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<v Speaker 1>September twenty two, nineteen ninety four, and that was the

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<v Speaker 1>day that Friends aired on national television. Changing Matthew Perry's

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<v Speaker 1>life Forever On this episode Addiction, Purpose, Fame, Fax, Machines,

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<v Speaker 1>Akedemy and Queen, and Matthew Perry. I'm Jake Brennan in.

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<v Speaker 2>This this Disgraceland.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a weight to silence.

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<v Speaker 2>It's heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>Children in the house mean silence is hard to come by,

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<v Speaker 1>and most parents will tell you that, despite the aggravation,

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<v Speaker 1>that lack of silence gives them purpose. Someone once said

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<v Speaker 1>that being a parent with multiple small children is like

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<v Speaker 1>living amongst endless brushfires, constantly springing to life.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a game of whack a mole.

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<v Speaker 1>One fire bursts a light, you put it out, and

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<v Speaker 1>before you know it, another one springs up. Your job

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<v Speaker 1>is to not let them get out of control, and

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<v Speaker 1>conversely to cultivate them when needed. But without that energy,

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<v Speaker 1>there is only silence. And if you've got a longing

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<v Speaker 1>in your heart, or an aversion to confronting parts of

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<v Speaker 1>you that you'd rather not acknowledge, the nasty bits your insecurities,

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<v Speaker 1>the silence blocks out all logical thought. It sits on you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so heavy you can feel your chest start to cave.

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<v Speaker 1>For Matthew Perry, the silence squeezed him tight until the

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<v Speaker 1>pressure exploded into a million fragmented, intrusive thoughts, thoughts that

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<v Speaker 1>then reconstituted back into a massive and amorphous fear. Fear

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<v Speaker 1>that hit hardest at night, just before the hard to

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<v Speaker 1>obtain sleep, right during the edge of consciousness, just as

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew was about to drift off, his fear would pierce

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<v Speaker 1>the silence and speak to him, sometimes literally, they'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Never love you, they always.

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<v Speaker 1>Leave, And sometimes it spoke to him figuratively. The sound

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<v Speaker 1>of coyotes tearing apart their prey in the distant Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>Hills made it inevitable that Matthew Perry wouldn't fall asleep

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<v Speaker 1>anytime soon. He'd do anything to end this horrific sound.

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<v Speaker 1>But then what then It was just more silence, and

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<v Speaker 1>the silence for him was even scarier. Matthew thought about

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<v Speaker 1>the vicodin on his nightstand, and then he thought about

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<v Speaker 1>the vodka in his freezer. Then, in a manner of

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<v Speaker 1>speaking currently influencing the way America spoke, Matthew Perry heard

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<v Speaker 1>the voice of the character he brought to life on

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<v Speaker 1>television weekly for millions of people, Chandler Bing. Chandler could

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<v Speaker 1>always say what Matthew couldn't and Matthew smiled in relief

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<v Speaker 1>when he heard Chandler break through the fear in his

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<v Speaker 1>head with that trademark cadence and whip smart wit to say,

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<v Speaker 1>And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why they invent did

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<v Speaker 1>drugs and alcohol. All your friends smoke newports. It's a drag.

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<v Speaker 1>The menthol smell is gross. You need twin blasts of

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<v Speaker 1>banaka and glade that you keep in your glove box

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<v Speaker 1>before walking into your kitchen, otherwise your parents will catch wind.

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<v Speaker 1>And an argument over the friends you're stuck hanging out

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<v Speaker 1>with will prevent you from watching the friends you want

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<v Speaker 1>to hang out with Monica.

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<v Speaker 2>Joey, Phoebe, Rachel.

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<v Speaker 1>Ross, and Chandler on television. It's Thursday night, nineteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>a school night, eight pm. You got to be home

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<v Speaker 1>by now anyway. Otherwise it wasn't just an argument over

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<v Speaker 1>your friends. It was an argument over your car privileges.

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<v Speaker 1>But you don't mind. Friends is your favorite show. It's

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<v Speaker 1>much better than Seinfelder, So you think, what's with that

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<v Speaker 1>dude's style anyway? Tight jeans and turtlenecks, nap You prefer friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Life at Central Perk seems lighter than life at Monk's Cafe. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>Joey and Chandler and Ross are hot, and Rachel and

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<v Speaker 1>Monica and Phoebe always look perfect. Your mom even cut

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<v Speaker 1>her hair like Monica's. But you and nearly everyone else

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<v Speaker 1>you know with any sense of style cut your hair

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<v Speaker 1>like Rachel's. Your dad didn't catch the reference. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>care for the show, or so he says. He just

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<v Speaker 1>sits in his lazy boy reading the nightly edition of

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<v Speaker 1>the local newspaper while you and your mom watch, though

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<v Speaker 1>occasionally you'll hear your dad grunt and approval. Whatever Joey

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<v Speaker 1>lays out his signature, you doing, Ross is about to mess.

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<v Speaker 2>Up big time.

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<v Speaker 1>He's way too jealous of Rachel's coworker at Blooming Nails.

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<v Speaker 2>Blooming Nails.

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<v Speaker 1>God, a job like that at the mall, can you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine to die for? You're stuck working at tcby serving

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<v Speaker 1>the so called country's best yogurt to health conscious housewives

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<v Speaker 1>and board stoner's from your school.

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<v Speaker 2>Stoner's love frozen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yogurt, but you hate it mainly because serving it only

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<v Speaker 1>pays five bucks an hour, which is likely close to

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<v Speaker 1>what Phoebe makes as a masseuse.

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<v Speaker 2>Though she gets tips.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of the characters on Friends afford those great Manhattan apartments.

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<v Speaker 1>Your guess is that Monica type A and properly employed

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<v Speaker 1>as a chef, likely covers most of the rent for

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<v Speaker 1>hers and Rachel's apartment, and that Ross, of course does

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<v Speaker 1>alright as a palaeontologist. Joey is an underemployed actor, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's likely Chandler takes care of his and Joey's rent

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<v Speaker 1>as a transponster or whatever it is that Chandler does

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<v Speaker 1>for a living. You wonder if Chandler's job is supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be taking a toll on him this season.

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<v Speaker 2>He's lost a lot of weight.

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<v Speaker 1>You like skinny guys, though, Patrick Swayze and Dirty Dancing

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny Depp and cry Baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Those guys are.

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<v Speaker 1>Skinny, gorgeous, But Chandler seems so skinny now that you

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<v Speaker 1>get the vibe that something's wrong, that he hasn't just

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<v Speaker 1>traded the Ben and Jerry's for the tcby no Chandler

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<v Speaker 1>bing or the actor that plays him. Rather, Matthew Perry

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<v Speaker 1>looks ill. Starring on Friends was all Matthew Perry ever wanted. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Being famous was actually all Matthew Perry ever wanted, but

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<v Speaker 1>starring on Friends was how Matthew Perry was going to

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<v Speaker 1>become famous. Acting out characters on doomed scripts for pilot

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<v Speaker 1>season every year juiced Matthew's bank account enough to keep

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<v Speaker 1>the drinks flowing down at the Foremosa Cafe in West

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood with his buddies, fellow funny men Hank Azaria and

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<v Speaker 1>Craig Burko. But fame was not yet a reality, and

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew needed to make it a reality. He didn't fully

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<v Speaker 1>understand it at the time, back in those pre fame,

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<v Speaker 1>pre Friends days in the early nineties, but Matthew Perry

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<v Speaker 1>needed fame like a junkie needs a fix, like an

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<v Speaker 1>alcoholic needs a drink. He tasted it briefly acting alongside

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<v Speaker 1>River Phoenix in the excellent film A Night in the

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<v Speaker 1>Life of Jimmy Reardon, and got brief snapshots of it

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<v Speaker 1>from the various sitcom appearances he made in Growing Pains

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<v Speaker 1>and in Beverly Hills nine O two one zero. The truth, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is that Matthew had been catching the dopamine rush of

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<v Speaker 1>adulation every time he'd entered a room since he was

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen years old. Being the son of an actor, the

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<v Speaker 1>Old Spice Man himself, John Bennett Perry, and a famous

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<v Speaker 1>Canadian political pro Suzanne Langford Morrison, press secretary to Canadian

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau. Matthew needed hum or to stand

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<v Speaker 1>out amongst his two charismatic and recognizable parents.

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<v Speaker 2>It worked.

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<v Speaker 1>People noticed Matthew, everyone but his parents anyway, or so

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<v Speaker 1>we thought. Their divorce at an early age scarred him.

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<v Speaker 1>It left him marked by an unshakable sense of abandonment

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<v Speaker 1>that he used humor to fight it off, to draw

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<v Speaker 1>people into him, to disarm people socially, and to distract

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<v Speaker 1>everyone around him from what he thought were his obvious

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<v Speaker 1>personality flaws. Like every great entertainer, Matthew Perry knew innately

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<v Speaker 1>and from a young age that when he entered a

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<v Speaker 1>room he had to make you laugh until your side's hurt,

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<v Speaker 1>and that when he exited the room, he needed to

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<v Speaker 1>have the last laugh. Sometimes innate wit wasn't enough. Socially,

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<v Speaker 1>alcohol helped it, greased the social skits, making the jokes

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<v Speaker 1>flow with a little less effort. Matthew discovered this as

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<v Speaker 1>early as fourteen years old, and his drinking persisted throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the early days of his young acting career, not that

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<v Speaker 1>that was unusual for a young aspiring actor in Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, everyone had seemed drink and everyone wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be famous. When Matthew Perry first read the script

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<v Speaker 1>for Friends, or for six of One, as the show

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<v Speaker 1>was initially titled, he knew that the role of Chandler

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<v Speaker 1>Bing would make him famous. He was Chandler Bing, a

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<v Speaker 1>character that used humor in sarcasm to mask his vulnerability.

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew couldn't think of a more accurate portrayal of him

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<v Speaker 1>as a person, never mind a more perfect role for

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<v Speaker 1>him to play. He read for the role and he

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<v Speaker 1>killed it. Then he got down on his knees and

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<v Speaker 1>prayed to God, saying, God, you can do whatever you

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<v Speaker 1>want to me, just please make me famous. God listened,

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<v Speaker 1>God acted. Matthew Perry booked the role of Chandler Bing.

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<v Speaker 1>Friends aired on September twenty second, nineteen ninety four, and

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<v Speaker 1>was an instant smash. To say that Friends was a

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<v Speaker 1>successful TV show is an understatement. We recognize it now

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<v Speaker 1>as one of the most tcessful television shows of all time,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was. But if you weren't there in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineties during its run, especially the breakout hyper fame of

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<v Speaker 1>those early seasons, it's hard to understand what the show

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<v Speaker 1>actually was. It's no stretch to call it a cultural phenomenon. Understandably,

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<v Speaker 1>people compare Friends to Seinfeld, but Friends did things Seinfeld

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<v Speaker 1>never did. Friends changed the way people dressed. Seinfeld never

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<v Speaker 1>did that. Friends changed the way people wore their hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Seinfeld never did that. Friends changed the way people spoke.

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<v Speaker 1>Seinfeld never did that either. And Friends made massive celebrities

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<v Speaker 1>out of each of its stars. Seinfeld definitely never did that.

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<v Speaker 1>The influence of Friends at the time is morrikin to

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<v Speaker 1>the influence of the Beatles, not of Seinfeld. But by

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<v Speaker 1>season three of Friends, Matthew Perry realized the full scope

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<v Speaker 1>of what he had asked of God. Yes, God had

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<v Speaker 1>made him famous, and yes God was going to do

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<v Speaker 1>whatever he wanted with him. Fame, Matthew Perry learned, was

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<v Speaker 1>not enough. It didn't break the silence in his head

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<v Speaker 1>at night. It didn't call the fear that he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>good enough.

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<v Speaker 2>No one won't ever love you.

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<v Speaker 1>It opened doors, sure, and yes, Matthew consistently knocked everyone

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<v Speaker 1>dead with laughs every time he walked through those doors,

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<v Speaker 1>both on and off stage, but those laughs only went

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<v Speaker 1>so far. At the end of the day, it was

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<v Speaker 1>still just Matthew alone with himself and the familiar thought

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<v Speaker 1>that he wasn't enough. Soon, though, the alcohol wasn't enough either,

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<v Speaker 1>not enough to keep his demons at bay. So Matthew

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<v Speaker 1>turned to pills, the opiate's vicotin and soon a tolerance

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<v Speaker 1>was developed, so much so that by season three of

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<v Speaker 1>the show that made him fain, Matthew Perry was taking

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<v Speaker 1>fifty five pills a day to stay high, and when

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't chasing lass on stage at the Warner Brothers

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<v Speaker 1>studio lot, he was chasing down crooked doctors and nurses

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<v Speaker 1>sympathetic to his faked migraines and TV star charm. Fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five pills a day had utterly destroyed Matthew's appetite, knocking

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<v Speaker 1>him down to a deathly looking one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight pounds. Season three of Friends, Wrapped in the very

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<v Speaker 1>famous Matthew Perry checked himself into rehab for the first

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<v Speaker 1>of what would become an eventual sixty five times in

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<v Speaker 1>detox outside the Hazelt and Betty Ford Drug Treatment Facility

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<v Speaker 1>in Center City, Minnesota, about ten minutes across Interstate four

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<v Speaker 1>ninety four is the tiny city of New Hope. There,

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<v Speaker 1>back in nineteen ninety seven, the small paper shop, Hawk's,

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<v Speaker 1>Hallmark cards, magazines, newspapers, the New Hope Golden Valley Post News,

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<v Speaker 1>among them, not to mention candy, cigarettes, cigars, and scratch tickets.

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<v Speaker 1>The magazine stand is one of a million you've seen before.

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<v Speaker 1>It's filled with late nineties titles, with covers featuring mega

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<v Speaker 1>famous celebrities, lasting megawatts smiles backup prospective Middle American magazine readers.

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<v Speaker 1>Behind the glitzy confidence. If you squint, you'll see it,

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<v Speaker 1>the faint vibe of desperation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to catch.

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<v Speaker 1>Most confuse it with vulnerability, and yes, there is vulnerability there,

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<v Speaker 1>but mostly it's a list desperation. Celebrities appear to be

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<v Speaker 1>on top of the world with confidence, especially when they're

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<v Speaker 1>glitzed out on magazine covers under perfect lighting, framed and

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<v Speaker 1>captured by some of the most talented photographers in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're there for.

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<v Speaker 1>A reason because they need your adoration. It feeds them.

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<v Speaker 1>They need it more than money, some need it more

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<v Speaker 1>than love. Some even need it more than drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a jump ball.

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<v Speaker 1>The question of whether Matthew Perry needed your adoration more

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<v Speaker 1>than he needed the drugs. Still there he is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the biggest television stars on the planet. On the

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<v Speaker 1>cover of Entertainment Weekly with the screaming headline a friend

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<v Speaker 1>in Need, And there he is. On the cover of People,

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<v Speaker 1>another headline announces Matthew Perry's addiction crisis. Other magazines seventeen, GQ,

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<v Speaker 1>and in Style host other cover stars Jennifer Love, Hewitt,

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<v Speaker 1>Mira Servina, and Helen Hunt, but all feature notices teasing

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew Perry's recent stint in rehab just up the road

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<v Speaker 1>from New Hope at Hazelden, where at the moment, Matthew

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<v Speaker 1>was using the rehab facility's wall for emotional support, standing up,

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<v Speaker 1>pressing the side of his face into the cold cement,

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<v Speaker 1>his arms outstretched wide and in a way, pinning himself

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<v Speaker 1>to the wall in a makeshift hug. Matthew needed the

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<v Speaker 1>wall to be able to move. Matthew needed the wall

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<v Speaker 1>for comfort. Matthew needed the wall because it was all

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<v Speaker 1>he had besides the feeling that he was going to die.

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<v Speaker 1>The voice told him, so, you'll never live like a

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<v Speaker 1>real man. Detoxing off of opiates won't kill you like

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<v Speaker 1>detoxing off of Ben's a dream or alcohol will. But

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<v Speaker 1>detoxing off of opiates will hurt so bad it'll make

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<v Speaker 1>you wish you were dead. Opiate abuse and taking fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five opiate lace pills a day certainly qualifies this abuse

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<v Speaker 1>will also rewire your brain. It'll confuse your brain so

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<v Speaker 1>severely that not only will your brain no longer process

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<v Speaker 1>pleasure and pain the way a healthy brain does, but

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<v Speaker 1>it'll also take you months, if not an entire year,

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<v Speaker 1>of solid sobriety before your brain rewires itself back to normal.

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew Perry was sober, he detoxed and stopped taking vicodin

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<v Speaker 1>and drinking vodka while in rehab, but he was utterly confused,

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<v Speaker 1>violently sick, and felt like he was completely alone. Hugging

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<v Speaker 1>the wall was all he had in Somewhere in his

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<v Speaker 1>drug addled brain. There was a strange sense of comfort

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<v Speaker 1>in realizing this. Being alone felt familiar. It seemed inevitable,

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<v Speaker 1>like the thing he feared the most had finally happened,

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<v Speaker 1>so he could stop worrying about it now. But then

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<v Speaker 1>that acknowledgment would get buried.

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<v Speaker 2>Very capable of joy.

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<v Speaker 1>And the physical pain of addiction return and once again

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<v Speaker 1>consumed the twenty eight year old television star. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy six, the British Medical Journal published a study by

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<v Speaker 1>doctors G.

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<v Speaker 2>Edwards and M. M.

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<v Speaker 1>Cross that diagnosed alcoholism as an illness a disease. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty one, a memorandum published by the World Health

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<v Speaker 1>Organization broadened the original nineteen seventy six study to include

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<v Speaker 1>other drugs as well. This meant that medically speaking, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were an addict, your addiction was a disease, just

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<v Speaker 1>like any other life threatening disease, like say, cancer or Alzheimer's.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a massive shift from the prevailing attitude at

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<v Speaker 1>the time that alcoholism and drug addiction were choices people made.

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<v Speaker 1>Having grown up in a town full of fellow irishmen

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<v Speaker 1>and lots of friends of Bill w this classification of

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<v Speaker 1>addiction as a disease is not news to me. But

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<v Speaker 1>what is surprising is that to this day people still

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<v Speaker 1>believe that addiction is a choice. Whenever I post any

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<v Speaker 1>information on an entertainer that I'm covering who dies of

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<v Speaker 1>drug abuse or alcoholism, there's always a good portion of

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<v Speaker 1>the comments damning the addict for their choices in life.

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<v Speaker 1>Given all that we know, this attitude in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four is shocking, not to mention ignorant. That said, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a mistake that even I've made, despite knowing on an

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<v Speaker 1>intellectual level anyway, that addiction is a disease. In the past,

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<v Speaker 1>I falsely believe that loved ones could get clean if

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<v Speaker 1>they just tried a little harder, as if the deployment

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<v Speaker 1>of personal effort alone could solve their illness. I'm embarrassed

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<v Speaker 1>to say that, despite my own deeply personal experiences with addicts,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't until researching this episode that I realized the

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<v Speaker 1>true nature of opioid addiction and the herculean effort it

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<v Speaker 1>requires to detox from opiates. Detoxing permanently requires a wide

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<v Speaker 1>array of tactics beyond willingness and resiliency. Beating the disease,

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<v Speaker 1>as Matthew Perry was learning during his first stint, and

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<v Speaker 1>rehab necessitates a mix of not only personal grit, but

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<v Speaker 1>psychological care, physical therapy, carefully administered medication, time, patience, and

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<v Speaker 1>lots of love both external and internal. Not to mention

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<v Speaker 1>luck defeeding the disease of opiate addiction is an insanely

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<v Speaker 1>steep uphill battle that is different for every addict. Back

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<v Speaker 1>in the late nineties, you'd be hard pressed to find

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor, a nurse, or a pain specialist, whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>hell that is, or a big pharm of sales rep

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<v Speaker 1>who would tell you that these prescribed opiates were even addictive,

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<v Speaker 1>when we now know the truth that addiction to these

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<v Speaker 1>pills to vic it into oxycon wasn't just a bug,

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<v Speaker 1>it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Practically a feature.

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<v Speaker 1>And if, like Matthew Perry, you were genetically predisposed to

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<v Speaker 1>addiction to the disease, the likelihood that you could stay

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<v Speaker 1>clean after detoxing was slim to none. Sure there were

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<v Speaker 1>those who get clean off of opiates, but most need

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<v Speaker 1>other addictive opiate medication like syboxone methadone to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, some people do go cold turkey, but even

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<v Speaker 1>so sobriety is a daily battle. In the future is unwritten.

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew Perry's future in nineteen ninety seven was an abstract

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<v Speaker 1>concept as he propped his body up in the halls

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<v Speaker 1>of the Hazelden Rehab facility, drool running down his chin,

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<v Speaker 1>hugging the wall. Once again, strange sounds rattled around his head,

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<v Speaker 1>coyotes and children, and the clunky, half mechanical, half digital

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<v Speaker 1>sound of something exciting shaking itself to life, a memory

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<v Speaker 1>of a new hope.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you right back after this?

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<v Speaker 1>We're we're where? Before email, before cell phones, long before

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<v Speaker 1>social media, fax machines were used to transmit the written

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<v Speaker 1>word over long distances. Matthew Perry's fax machine was working

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<v Speaker 1>overtime lately in these heady early days of friends. Million

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<v Speaker 1>dollar offers for starring roles in films mostly, but that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't what had Matthew figuratively chained to his fax machine.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we'll cause Matthew to not go too far from

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<v Speaker 1>his facts and to race home after work to check

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<v Speaker 1>its messages. Was a long distance flirtation Matthew had going

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<v Speaker 1>on with the biggest movie star on the planet, Julia

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<v Speaker 1>Roberts poems Get to Know Your Missives, and conversations about

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<v Speaker 1>their shared love of the La Kings. Conversations that started

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<v Speaker 1>professionally progressed quickly to personal and then romantic, consumed Matthew's imagination.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon Julia rapt production on Woody Allen's Everyone Says I

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<v Speaker 1>Love You returned to the States, and she and Matthew

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<v Speaker 1>started dating each other. It was perfect, so it had

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<v Speaker 1>to end. Matthew Perry couldn't handle a perfect relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect woman whose love should have perfectly suited him,

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<v Speaker 1>because Matthew Perry knew in his bones that he was

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<v Speaker 1>far from perfect, and that someday Julia Roberts would realize

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<v Speaker 1>this and she would leave him for it, and that

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<v Speaker 1>pain would hurt worse than him leaving her now, So

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew Perry broke up with the biggest movie star on

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<v Speaker 1>the planet, who wanted nothing more than to be with him,

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<v Speaker 1>to take care of him, and to share a future

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<v Speaker 1>with him. Matthew's future was not to be shared with

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<v Speaker 1>anyone or anything except for what he called the big

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<v Speaker 1>terrible thing, which was his consuming drug habit. The fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Matthew had the number one television show in the

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<v Speaker 1>world at the same time that he had the number

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<v Speaker 1>one movie, The Whole Nine Yards, starring alongside the coolest

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<v Speaker 1>dude Matthew had ever met, Bruce Willis, none of this

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<v Speaker 1>changed Matthew's relationship with drugs and alcohol. If anything, the

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<v Speaker 1>busier or more successful, the more famous Matthew cut, the

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<v Speaker 1>deeper he sunk into addiction.

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<v Speaker 2>Hazelden worked in.

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<v Speaker 1>Cleaning him up for a moment anyway, and then there

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<v Speaker 1>was a slip up. Then there was methadone to suppress

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<v Speaker 1>the all consuming need for opiates. Matthew never showed up

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<v Speaker 1>high to work on the set of Friends, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was constantly hungover xanax, cocaine, the nightly Court of vodka.

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<v Speaker 1>The hangovers were intense until the lights went on and

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<v Speaker 1>the director yelled to action. Most times Matthew could summon

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<v Speaker 1>the strength to overcome the physical and mental pain, hit

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<v Speaker 1>his mark and deliver his line as Chandler Bing, But

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<v Speaker 1>once the director yelled cut, Matthew would sink back into

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<v Speaker 1>the prickly embrace the big terrible thing. Jennifer Aniston confronted him.

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew's sense of professional pride kicked in, and another trip

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<v Speaker 1>to rehab after Friends wrapped was booked. Once Matthew checked in,

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<v Speaker 1>the effectiveness of rehab was now being challenged by an

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<v Speaker 1>attic whose disease compelled him to manipulate the rules to

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<v Speaker 1>find and use more drugs. It was a vicious predicament.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually Matthew was discharged, but in short order he started

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<v Speaker 1>getting high again, and just as friends soared to new

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<v Speaker 1>heights and popularity, Matthew once again crashed. Central Perk was

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<v Speaker 1>one of those local coffee shops that no longer exists.

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<v Speaker 1>These days, coffee shops are about corporate efficiency and are

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<v Speaker 1>run by corporate overlords. Order online to save time, storm

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<v Speaker 1>into the shop with earbuds on, ignore conversation with any

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<v Speaker 1>other customers less they slow down your commute, and be

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<v Speaker 1>lined to a special online takeout counter. Pick up your order, perhaps,

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<v Speaker 1>grunt to the coffee shop worker behind the counter, and

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<v Speaker 1>get out of there and out on the street with

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<v Speaker 1>your earbuds. Back in and off to work, so you

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<v Speaker 1>could ignore a bunch of different people and slave away

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<v Speaker 1>at your job for your very own corporate overlords. Or

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<v Speaker 1>if you're say unemployed or underemployed, or want to connect

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<v Speaker 1>with an old friend, you hit the coffee shops. Stand

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<v Speaker 1>in a different line, one where you order in person,

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<v Speaker 1>catch some attitude from the worker for not ordering online. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>grab your coffee, and you sit in hard What are

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<v Speaker 1>those seats made out of anyway? For Micah plastic, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>they are, they are intentionally uncomfortable seats because mister corporate

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<v Speaker 1>coffee doesn't want your underemployed ass hanging out in his

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<v Speaker 1>coffee shop for too long because he needs to service

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<v Speaker 1>new customers with new money. Coffee shops weren't always like this,

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<v Speaker 1>and sure a few of the old local shops still

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<v Speaker 1>exist somewhere, I guess, but they're the minority shops that

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<v Speaker 1>encourage just hanging around.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what coffee shops were like in the nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>Coffee came into these big, massive cups that would more

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<v Speaker 1>often than not get reft for free. The seating was

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<v Speaker 1>even bigger, puffy or huge shabby sheet furniture purchased in

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<v Speaker 1>thrift shops and good wills that seemed to invite you

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<v Speaker 1>to take a load off, get comfy, and hang out

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<v Speaker 1>with your friends as long as you like. The snacks

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<v Speaker 1>were far from health conscious like they are today. They

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<v Speaker 1>were loaded with sugar that would eventually make you sleepy

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<v Speaker 1>and cause you to sink deeper into the big puffy

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<v Speaker 1>chair you were sitting in. This is what Central Perk

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<v Speaker 1>was like, the fictional coffee shop from Friends where Matthew

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<v Speaker 1>Perry and his cast mates were currently sitting filming a scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Though it wasn't sugar causing Matthew to sink into his chair.

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<v Speaker 1>It was his hangover. Matt LeBlanc, the actor who played Joey,

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<v Speaker 1>was the only one who caught it, and thank god,

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<v Speaker 1>he caught it quickly. Matthew's line was coming up, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a big one, one of those scene ending

0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>side splitting lines meant to punctuate the story with laughter.

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<v Speaker 1>But there Matthew was. Matt saw it. Matthew was nodding off,

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<v Speaker 1>literally falling as sleep during the filming of the scene

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<v Speaker 1>in front of a live studio audience. Matt leblank quickly

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<v Speaker 1>nudged him, and Matthew came too quickly, so quickly that

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<v Speaker 1>no one had seen him not off, and just in

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<v Speaker 1>time for him to deliver the line. That night, at home,

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew buried this awful memory with vodka. Then he felt

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<v Speaker 1>something twisted in his side. This was not an ordinary pain.

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<v Speaker 1>This was unlike anything he'd ever felt in his thirty

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<v Speaker 1>years on this planet. Something was deeply wrong. Matthew was

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<v Speaker 1>rushed to the emergency room, where he was informed by

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<v Speaker 1>the attending doctor that he had a cute pancreatitis set

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<v Speaker 1>just thirty years old from drinking massive amounts of alcohol.

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<v Speaker 1>The pain was so severe that Matthew was kept in

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital for thirty days and nights and administer dilauded

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<v Speaker 1>for the pain. Dilauded as an opiate that Matthew Perry,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the accommodations, was now a very happy man. This

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<v Speaker 1>drug not only handled the pain in his stomach, it

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 1>changed his relationship with pain. It rewired his brain. It

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:09.480
<v Speaker 1>gave him a false sense of pleasure, of happiness. But

0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>what was happiness really? Wasn't it all just relative? At

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 1>the moment, Matthew didn't need anything yet a bed, a TV,

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:22.480
<v Speaker 1>and a constant supply of drugs. He also had the

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 1>highest paying job in television waiting for him when he

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:31.040
<v Speaker 1>eventually got out of the hospital. When Friends started out,

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:35.200
<v Speaker 1>David Schwimmer, the actor who played Ross, was the show's

0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:38.120
<v Speaker 1>biggest star in terms of who the audience showed up

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 1>to see each week. David Shwimmer had the genius idea

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 1>early on in the show's run that no cast member,

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 1>not even himself, who was the only one at the

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 1>time in the position to do so, should make more

0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 1>money than any other cast member. He presented this idea

0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 1>to Courtney Cox, Jennifer Aniston, matt LeBlanc, Lisa Coudro, and

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Matthew Perry, who all of course thought it was a great.

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Idea, and why wouldn't they.

0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 1>David was the only one who could have commanded astronomical money,

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:06.719
<v Speaker 1>so whatever the suits at NBC needed to pony up

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 1>to keep David happy, that was the same amount of

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 1>money they were going to have to pony up for

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:11.400
<v Speaker 1>all of David's.

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Co stars as well.

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:15.600
<v Speaker 1>David did this because he didn't want the hassle of

0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 1>constant salary fights between the studio and the show's six stars.

0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:22.720
<v Speaker 1>David knew the studio would pit each of them against

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 1>each other, and that inevitably certain stars would fall out

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 1>over salary beefs that need to be replaced, and the

0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 1>creative chemistry of the show would risk significant disruption. It

0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:35.880
<v Speaker 1>was a genius idea on David's part, especially as the

0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 1>show grew in popularity, each of the star's own popularity grew,

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 1>some of whom eventually surpassed David himself in popularity, Jennifer

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Aniston being one, Matthew Perry was not one. Matthew was

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:51.240
<v Speaker 1>a massive star, sure, but no one on the show

0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 1>was as big as Jennifer Aniston. As Friends entered the

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 1>new millennium, Jennifer could have commanded a much bigger salary,

0:31:58.440 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 1>but she didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Every movie studio in Hollywood.

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Wanted to put her in their movies and was willing

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 1>to back up the money truck to make it happen.

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 1>So NBC needed a big enough payday for Jennifer Aniston

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 1>to keep her happy and on Friends. And because of

0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 1>the deal the Friend stars made back in the first

0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>season with David Swimmer, NBC now had to back up

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 1>the money truck for all of the co stars on Friends,

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 1>not just Jennifer Aniston, and of course Matthew Perry included,

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 1>who was now in his hospital room, hooked up to

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:30.160
<v Speaker 1>a dilauded IV high as a kite as he signed

0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 1>his new employment contract, the one that paid him just

0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>as it did his five co stars, one million dollars

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 1>per episode, essentially one million dollars per week, one million

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>dollars times twenty four episodes for the next season, and

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 1>one million dollars for eighteen episodes for the final season

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 1>forty two million dollars. Matthew Perry was about to be

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:56.680
<v Speaker 1>discharged from the hospital as a very, very rich man,

0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 1>and he was also about to be discharged from the

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:02.840
<v Speaker 1>hospital with an even stronger addiction to opiates than he

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 1>had when he went in. Matthew Perry's luxury car screamed

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:31.760
<v Speaker 1>down the road, with Matthew curled up in a ball

0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 1>and the passenger seved and screaming in agony. His assistant

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 1>had one hand on the wheel and another pinning her

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 1>cellphone to her face. She was also screaming.

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 2>High profile coming into er high profile. Matthew's pain in.

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 1>His stomach was so severe that the tiniest bump in

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 1>the road sent shocks of agony up his spine. Once

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:56.720
<v Speaker 1>at the emergency room, Matthew was quickly hoisted onto a

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.959
<v Speaker 1>wheel gurney get ready to run, One of the nurses

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 1>said to his assistant. Matthew was strapped in and the

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:08.440
<v Speaker 1>nurses sprinted him towards surgery. That's when Matthew Perry slipped

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:13.239
<v Speaker 1>into the coma. It was just before his colon exploded.

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Then he aspirated into his breathing tube and proceeded to

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:25.120
<v Speaker 1>vomit ten days of toxic feces into his lungs. Two

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 1>weeks later, Matthew came out of the coma. It was

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen Friends had long since ended in two thousand

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 1>and four. Matthew had navigated around his disease to work

0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 1>in various film, television, and stage productions, some successful, some not,

0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 1>but the end result was that Matthew's addiction prevented him

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 1>from adequately managing the type of career that a celebrity

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:52.880
<v Speaker 1>of his stature is inclined to maintain. Matthew's personal life

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:56.520
<v Speaker 1>post friends fared no better in the end. With every

0:34:56.520 --> 0:34:59.640
<v Speaker 1>one of his girlfriends, whether Lauren Graham or Lizzie Kaplan,

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:01.759
<v Speaker 1>the woman he should have married, or any of the

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 1>long line of beautiful women he dated both seriously and casually,

0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 1>had always came down to the same thing. Matthew would

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 1>end the relationship before fully committing, as a means of

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 1>protecting himself from the inevitable pain he feared he would

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:17.839
<v Speaker 1>suffer when these women would eventually find out who he

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:22.040
<v Speaker 1>actually was and inevitably leave him. They'll never love you,

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:29.760
<v Speaker 1>they always leave. Matthew had to leave first. Matthew's personal

0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:34.319
<v Speaker 1>life mostly devolved into an impersonal network of personal assistants,

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 1>sober companions, crooked doctors and nurses who would prescribe him

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:42.680
<v Speaker 1>drugs and skeevie drug dealers, not that he didn't have

0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:44.440
<v Speaker 1>those around him who loved him.

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 2>He did.

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:49.560
<v Speaker 1>His co stars from friends stayed in contact, and his parents,

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 1>his mother and his father and his stepfather, as well

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:54.920
<v Speaker 1>as his siblings all did their best to support him

0:35:54.920 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 1>when Matthew allowed, and their help certainly inspired Matthew's intermittent sobriety.

0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 1>But the drugs and alcohol took a real toll. Matthew

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:08.839
<v Speaker 1>not only suffered a coma, but the CPR process left

0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:12.360
<v Speaker 1>him with eight broken ribs, He lost teeth or a

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 1>colostomy back and ended up on life support. Then the

0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 1>pain was immense, both real and imagined, so Matthew tried

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 1>burying the pain with more drugs, and this resulted in

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:32.320
<v Speaker 1>more rehabstance. In twenty twenty, in a Swiss rehab, Matthew's

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:37.240
<v Speaker 1>pain was being treated with daily ketamine infusions. Matthew loved

0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:39.480
<v Speaker 1>the high. He said it was like getting hit in

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 1>the head with the happy shovel, but it wasn't enough,

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:46.560
<v Speaker 1>so he faked the pain to get more drugs, and

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:51.280
<v Speaker 1>during this time Matthew needed another surgery. The doctors administered propofol,

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 1>the drug that killed Michael Jackson. Matthew's heart stopped for

0:36:56.160 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 1>a full five minutes. He was clinically dead, but miraculously

0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:05.800
<v Speaker 1>was revived and survived. After surgery, Matthew spent one hundred

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:08.280
<v Speaker 1>and seventy five thousand dollars to fly to Los Angeles

0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:10.879
<v Speaker 1>to get the drugs he couldn't get in Switzerland. When

0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:13.600
<v Speaker 1>he was refused the drugs in Los Angeles, he spent

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:16.200
<v Speaker 1>another one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars to fly

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:18.200
<v Speaker 1>back to Switzerland to take.

0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 2>What they would give him.

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Matthew himself, in his twenty twenty two autobiography, estimated that

0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 1>he had spent nine million dollars in total on his

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 1>addiction over the years, fifteen rehabstance, fourteen surgeries, therapy two

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 1>times a week, and over six thousand AA meetings. Perhaps

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:43.880
<v Speaker 1>the AA meetings inspired Matthew to finally get cleaned for good.

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:48.839
<v Speaker 1>At the start of the twenty twenties, there were those

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:51.040
<v Speaker 1>who believe, and I happen to be one of them,

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 1>that good and evil are very real concepts. The dividing

0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 1>line is free will. We have free will to choose

0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 1>between good and evil. Most of us, anyway, addicts are

0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 1>responsible for their choices, certainly, but for those with the disease,

0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:08.959
<v Speaker 1>it's not as simple as making a choice to get

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:12.760
<v Speaker 1>clean and sticking to it. Most attics are good people

0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 1>who do not want to be addicted. It's the evil

0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 1>of the drug. It's the evil of the drug dealers.

0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:22.439
<v Speaker 1>It's the evil of the predatory doctors and pharma shareholders

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:27.480
<v Speaker 1>that so forcefully challenged the addicts free will. Matthew Perry

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 1>had the will to get clean. He found God, and

0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:34.920
<v Speaker 1>God spoke to him in a rare moment of clarity. God,

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 1>by Matthew Perry's own estimation, as detailed in his autobiography,

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:42.279
<v Speaker 1>gave him purpose in life. And that purpose wasn't to

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:45.400
<v Speaker 1>be a father or a husband, as Matthew always desired.

0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:49.080
<v Speaker 1>That purpose was to get clean and to use his

0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:52.759
<v Speaker 1>experience with addiction to help others get clean, which he

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 1>did even before Matthew had cleaned himself up. He converted

0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 1>his home in Malibu into a treatment facility called Perry

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 1>House to help attics. Beyond Perry House, Matthew helped his

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 1>old drinking buddy Hank Azaria, get clean. He helped strangers

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 1>who approached him on the street get sober. He used

0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:14.880
<v Speaker 1>his celebrity to advocate against the overincarceration of drug offenders,

0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:19.800
<v Speaker 1>testifying before a House subcommittee. He regularly spoke at treatment centers,

0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 1>he spoke at a conference to hundreds of thousands of

0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 1>people over the course of one weekend, and he publicly

0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:29.160
<v Speaker 1>put his own troubled experiences front and center in his

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:32.360
<v Speaker 1>later years in an effort to remove the stigma around addiction.

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Matthew's goal in life was no longer to be famous.

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:42.400
<v Speaker 1>He'd achieved that, and what he found was nothing. Fame

0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 1>is hollow. It doesn't fulfill you, it eats you once achieved.

0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:50.920
<v Speaker 1>And given that I'm not famous, I can hardly understand this.

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:53.920
<v Speaker 1>But I've researched enough entertainers to grasp a deeper understanding

0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 1>of it. Once achieved, fame is more of a burden

0:39:57.080 --> 0:40:00.000
<v Speaker 1>than an asset. That seems to be the party line

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:03.440
<v Speaker 1>from every entertainer. The ones who are properly grounded are

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 1>the ones who deal with it best. The ones who

0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 1>have psychological childhood trauma and addictive personalities like Matthew Perry,

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 1>fame does more harm than good. When auditioning for friends,

0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Matthew Perry got down on his knees and prayed to God,

0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:22.439
<v Speaker 1>saying to him, God, you can do whatever you want

0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:26.960
<v Speaker 1>to me, just please make me famous. And God answered

0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Matthew's prayers. He made him famous, and that fame fed

0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:35.719
<v Speaker 1>his addiction, and that addiction nearly destroyed Matthew Perry on

0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:40.080
<v Speaker 1>numerous occasions. That destruction put Matthew in a position where

0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:43.280
<v Speaker 1>the only way to survive was to find real purpose,

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:47.040
<v Speaker 1>not fame as he hoped, but a purpose in life,

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:49.600
<v Speaker 1>one that would give him a new hope, the new

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:54.880
<v Speaker 1>found purpose of helping others. In Matthew's position with his celebrity,

0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 1>that men helping hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people.

0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Maybe not as many pe people as Matthew made laugh

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:05.440
<v Speaker 1>during his stint on Friends, But what's more important, buzzy

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:09.080
<v Speaker 1>one liners from Chandler BNG were saving people's lives from

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:13.879
<v Speaker 1>the evils of drugs and alcohol. God did indeed do

0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:17.320
<v Speaker 1>what he wanted with Matthew Perry. He wanted Matthew Perry

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:17.960
<v Speaker 1>to help.

0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:19.320
<v Speaker 2>People with his life.

0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:24.280
<v Speaker 1>The question remains, how many people will Matthew Perry's story

0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:32.439
<v Speaker 1>help now that he's dead. Hold on, this story isn't over.

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.280
<v Speaker 1>I've talked a lot about bad habits in this episode,

0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:39.800
<v Speaker 1>and I too have bad habits, not anywhere near Matthew

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:42.320
<v Speaker 1>Perry's bad habits, but I do have the toxic habit

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:44.759
<v Speaker 1>of sometimes checking Instagram first thing in the morning when

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I wake up. A couple of weeks ago, bleary eyed,

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:50.720
<v Speaker 1>before my first espresso in the morning, I scrolled across

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:54.880
<v Speaker 1>an Instagram post suggesting that Matthew Perry was murdered. I

0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:59.760
<v Speaker 1>was groggy, disassociated. I've been awake only seconds. My stomach

0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:03.800
<v Speaker 1>if for the past week, I'd been deep into researching

0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Matthew Perry and more specifically the life he lived that

0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:09.319
<v Speaker 1>led to his overdose and death on October twenty eighth,

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:13.759
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three. Chandler Bing was living rent free in

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:15.960
<v Speaker 1>my head at the moment, and the idea that he

0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:20.240
<v Speaker 1>was murdered, though, was shocking, but knowing what I'd recently learned,

0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:24.160
<v Speaker 1>it didn't seem outlandish in the least. If one was

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:26.520
<v Speaker 1>going to get away with murdering a celebrity in twenty

0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:29.319
<v Speaker 1>twenty three, a murderer would be hard pressed to find

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:33.160
<v Speaker 1>an easier victim than Matthew Perry. During his final days,

0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Matthew had been back on drugs, subjecting himself to the

0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:40.000
<v Speaker 1>glorious high of the Happy shovel, and undergoing legally administered

0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 1>ketamine infusions to treat his depression and anxiety. The ketemie

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Matthew had been legally administered would have worn off by

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:49.760
<v Speaker 1>the time he died, and with the amount of ketamine

0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:52.760
<v Speaker 1>in his system, authorities believed he had been obtaining ketamine

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:56.240
<v Speaker 1>illegally from a street source, and there was no murder,

0:42:56.640 --> 0:43:03.160
<v Speaker 1>just clickbait sort of. On August sixteenth, twenty twenty four,

0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:06.120
<v Speaker 1>the US Attorney's Office announced in a press conference that

0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:10.240
<v Speaker 1>was nationally broadcast live on CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News

0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:13.320
<v Speaker 1>that five people have been arrested and charged in connection

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 1>with the death of Matthew Perry. Two street dealers, Eric

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Fleming and another known as the Ketamine Queen, Jazvine Sanga,

0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:25.319
<v Speaker 1>along with two doctors, Salvador Placentia and Mark Chavez, and

0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Matthew's live in personal assistant, Kenneth Awamasa. And the five

0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:33.040
<v Speaker 1>were charged with a mix of distribution, possession, and records

0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:38.120
<v Speaker 1>falsification charges, but none with manslaughter or murder. Three of

0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:42.440
<v Speaker 1>the five have already reached plea agreements. Doctor Placentia has

0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:46.719
<v Speaker 1>pleaded not guilty. Text messages reveal that Placentia was actively

0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:50.319
<v Speaker 1>praying on Matthew Perry's addiction, saying about Matthew and a

0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 1>message to one of his alleged co conspirators about the

0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:56.080
<v Speaker 1>ketemine that doctor Placentia was selling to Matthew Perry quote,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see how much this moron will pay un quote.

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<v Speaker 1>I remind you that text came from a doctor illegally

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<v Speaker 1>selling prescribed drugs on the street.

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<v Speaker 2>Evil.

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<v Speaker 1>In the end, it was too much for Matthew Perry, who,

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<v Speaker 1>on that day in late October twenty twenty three, took

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<v Speaker 1>his illegal dose of ketamine, then slipped into his hot

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<v Speaker 1>tub in his backyard overlooking the Pacific Ocean. He was

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<v Speaker 1>found the next morning floating face down in the water.

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<v Speaker 1>He drowned after the powerful effects of the ketemie caused

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<v Speaker 1>him to slip underwater unconscious. And there were no kids

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<v Speaker 1>in the distance laughing, no coyotes, not even any scary voices,

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<v Speaker 1>no fear, no pain, and no one for Matthew Perry

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<v Speaker 1>to leave before they broke his heart and left him.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Matthew Perry had just left for good.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Jake Brennan and this this Disgrace Lam.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, that was a sad one, guys, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to focus on something a little less emotional for this

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<v Speaker 1>week's question of the week. We did a friends in

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<v Speaker 1>Seinfeld comparison in this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually more of.

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<v Speaker 1>A Seinfeld guide despite the way I laid up the

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<v Speaker 1>two shows in this story.

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<v Speaker 2>But that exercise prompted me to want to ask you.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys, what is the greatest television show of all time?

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<v Speaker 2>He then