WEBVTT - Michael Tomasky & G. Elliot Morris 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.200 today's best minds and Larry David Rose, Bill Maher's meeting 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:13.400 with Trump as my dinner with Adolf. 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:15.680 We have such a great show for you today. 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:19.600 The New Republic's Mike Tamaski tries to make sense of 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.440 where Trump's lawlessness is headed. Then we'll talk to the 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:28.400 author of the Strength in Numbers newsletter, g Elliott Morris, 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:32.560 about what polls can tell us about Trump's agenda. 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:33.960 But first the news. 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:39.159 So, Molly, there's a million reports out that Pete Haiksith 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:42.440 is going to have to resign. I'm always skeptical of 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:45.320 those in US, are you? But we do have the 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:49.159 first Republican calling for him to resign, and it's the 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.400 guy with the most Republican name of all time, Don Bacon. 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.560 So Bacon has done this before. Bacon is sort of 0:00:56.600 --> 0:01:01.600 the Jeff Flake twenty twenty five. He calls Hegseth an 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:05.520 amateur person, which for a weekend television hosts, that's not 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:10.200 very nice. He stood up for things before. Now I 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:15.240 want to just remind you that he is in Nebraska. 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:20.600 He comes from Nebraska's second congressional district. Whenever you see 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.679 a Republican standing up for something, and this is not 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:27.360 always true, but it is often true, you should look 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.920 at their district and find out if it's a red 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:31.440 district or a purple district. 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:34.800 A helpful thing is right on Wikipedia usually says their CPI, 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:36.559 which a lot of people don't know, is the Cook 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:38.840 Political Index, and I'll tell you how far it leans 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:39.520 left or right. 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:43.720 So Nebraska's second congressional district, which is where he comes from, 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.760 it's an R plus three, so it is not a 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.080 very Republican district. So Marjorie Taylor Green is in an 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.200 R plus nineteen and Don Bacon is in an R 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.320 plus three, and the difference between an R plus three 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.440 and an R plus nineteen is Don Bacon says things 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:03.160 like Donald Trump should be king. Marjorie Taylor Green says 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:07.680 things like Donald Trump should be God king because there's 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:11.959 seventeen percent more Republicans in her district. That is why 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:16.200 I say to you, always be suspicious of Republicans who stand. 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:17.079 Up, but not even that. 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.160 I mean Bacon has done that, and I think it's good, 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.680 and I think standing up to Trump is always good, and. 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.639 There's a dearth of courage right now in America. 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:30.200 But that said, just always be a little cynical because 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.079 these people are cowards. That said, I do think we're 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.080 going to see more standing up to Trump as his 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:40.040 poll numbers creator and as they crash the economy. So 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.760 I think it's very likely that you'll see more quote 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:47.239 unquote bravery and well it is good and we do 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.639 like it, and it may be the difference between authoritarianism 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:55.000 and continuing as are you know, not perfect democracy. I 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:58.080 do think it's worth remembering like public sentiment has changed. 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.520 The people have different incentives, structures. They are not just 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:05.160 doing this out of the goodness of their heart. That said, 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:10.800 Bacon did say that he does not think texting sensitive 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.440 or plans is something the Secretary of Defense should be doing. 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:18.720 By the way, this man manages three million people. This 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:23.120 is a humongous agency filled with a lot of important 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:27.320 stuff that they're doing. Also, Elon wants to fire a 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.119 huge swath of them because of Doge. 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:30.919 Yeah. 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:36.680 In other bleak News, sixty Minutes, despite its weakening relevance, 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.360 has long been one of the better journalists that out 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.600 what our country has had and a long time producer 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:44.960 is leaving because they feel the tide turning. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:48.320 On that So sixty Minutes has done some really really 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:52.360 important journalism, especially right now. And this producer is a 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:56.480 guy called Bill Owens. And every time someone does something 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:58.760 like this, there are not a lot of great jobs 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.440 in television journalisms. There are not a lot of jobs 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:05.120 in journalism period. So the fact that this guy is 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:09.360 leaving probably one of the best jobs in television. But 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.320 he's been there for a long time, and he's a 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.360 serious journalist. In fact, what he tells The New York 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.200 Times is so having defended this show and what we 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:22.880 stand for from every angle over time, with everything I could, 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.599 I'm stepping aside so the show can move forward, he 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.000 wrote in the memo, which was obtained by The Times. 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:33.039 Sixty Minutes has faced mounting pressure in recent months from 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:38.600 both President Trump, who sued CBS for ten billion dollars. 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.839 You'll ten billion dollars to get you know what, CBS 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.240 doesn't have ten billion dollars to give to Donald Trump. 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:47.000 Some real Austin Powers stuff right there. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.960 Accused the program of unlawful. 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:54.400 And illegal behavior. And this is because I don't know 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:55.440 why he's mad at them. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:59.800 About this. Is this because of the Harris interview where 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:01.720 they he felt that it was. 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:05.040 Edited in a way that made her look better than 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:07.720 I mean, it's just this is this thing with Trump. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.000 He's an Autocrat, and you know, not all of this 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.839 makes sense or any of this, not even any of 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.839 this makes sense. So this guy, bill Owens is really 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:21.279 a hero to do this, to give up one of 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:27.200 these really best jobs in media because you don't feel 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:31.479 that CBS is doing what's right or that that's a 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:35.800 big deal. And we really do applaud him in a 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:40.800 world filled with cowards and a world filled with Paul Weiss's. 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.039 Don't be a Paul Weiss, be a Mark Elias, be 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:48.120 a Bill Owens, like, do the right thing, even if 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.600 the short term looks bad. We got to stick up 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:52.120 for what's right here some mind. 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.719 Now we turn to the Handmaid's Tale like portion of 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:59.920 our news unbelievable. The White House is presently a sessex apollo, 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:04.960 such as baby bonuses, menstrual cycle classes, and some other 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.240 questionable ideas to try to boost the birth rate. 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:09.400 So here's the problem. 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:13.000 For the economy to survive, we've got to keep having children, 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.200 otherwise we're going to become Japan. But the problem is, 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.760 I mean, we're probably going to become Japan anyway because 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.279 of stiflation, but we won't have the cute outfits or 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:26.560 any of the cool food. Will just be US with Japanese. 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.920 But no, the problem here with this is that so 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.920 Trump administration doesn't want immigrants. They hate immigration, they don't 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.560 want immigration. But the problem is the only way for 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:41.880 our economy to survive is to get immigrants. So instead 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:45.880 of just welcoming immigrants and making a path to citizenship, 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:47.919 which is what you would do if you were not 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:51.720 completely insane, they're going to try to make the white 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:52.920 people have babies. 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:53.160 Right. 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.440 This is natalism, This is the whole idea is to 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:59.000 get more white babies. And the problem is America is 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:04.560 wildly expect and nobody has seen their way of life go, right. 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:08.039 We all feel we have less than our parents, right, 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.080 So how they're going to do this They have no 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.400 idea because nobody wants have kids. So because the really 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.720 we need old white guys to decide to get women 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.840 to have babies. So here are some of their ideas. 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.440 And I think that it's worth remembering that a lot 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:26.160 of this stuff has been tried in Hungary by Victor 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.600 orbon who Donald Trump wants to be. Most importantly, none 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.440 of its work there still can't get people to have kids. 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:36.880 And also Hungary is just disaster on every level. But 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.480 here's where we're going, Donald Trump's. Here are some of 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.240 Donald Trump's best ideas, and maybe not Donald Trump, maybe 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.560 one of his creepy friends. Five thousand dollars baby bonuses 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:50.120 to every woman after she delivers. That will cover about 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:53.320 half of the tariffs for the first year. 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:54.960 What else? They have? 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.400 Menstrual psycho classes, because that is not creepy at all. 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.320 There are calls on the government. 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.880 To fund programs that educate women on their menstrual cycles. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:11.840 You're cutting headstart, okay, You're cutting free breakfast, You're cutting 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:18.040 child's care, you're cutting early whatever medicine for kids. You're 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:21.360 cutting food stamps, you're cutting snap, You're cutting all of 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:25.720 these things. But you're going to start menstrual classes. 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:30.640 Does anyone see how insane these are? These are insane ideas. 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.439 But I'm excited to know that Vance and Musk are 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:38.480 policy experts and advocates of boosting the birth rate have 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:41.080 been meeting with White House AIDS. That's creepy people like 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:46.040 Steven Miller, and they are boosting the birth rate. These 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.839 are written proposals. I mean, this is their best mind 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.400 sitting there trying, and they can just watch The Handmaid's Tail. 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.720 They don't even need to spend so much time thinking. 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:57.559 Just watch The Handmaid's Tale. 0:08:57.880 --> 0:08:59.920 All I'm gonna say is they don't bring us their best. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.800 They do not bring a service. By the way, I 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:08.440 think Elon himself should be able to pretty much do it. 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:10.520 He gets rejected a lot. I mean, you saw what 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:12.480 happened with him in Tiffany Fong on Twitter. 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.320 I mean, come on, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. Doesn't 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.120 she know the birthrate needs her? 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:21.000 Okay, So, speaking of other bleak Handmaid's Tale like news, 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.239 you know who I don't want having my health. 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:25.680 Records speak for yourself. 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.120 The guy who picks up road kill that testified that 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:33.560 he had a braid wor RFK Juniors watching a disease 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:37.000 registry to track autistic people, and he's going to use 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.000 private medical records to make it happen. 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:45.400 Oh, come on, it's too easy to remember that RFK 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.120 Junior is planning to tell us. He's probably going to 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:51.640 tell us the vaccines cause autism in the fall September 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:57.679 yeh time, Yeah, September again, an autism registry. I just 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.920 want to go back to this for a minute. RFK 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:05.000 has a worm in his brain. It's dead. The worm 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.160 is no longer eating his brain, but his brain is 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:12.040 not fully recovered. No, some things the guy does are 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.559 not terrible, like food coloring and organic food. 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:17.440 We're going to talk about a really bad one in 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:18.760 the moment of fuckery today. 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:24.400 Right, this feels like Germany nineteen thirty three, like registry tracking. 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:26.320 By the way, I just want to point out, like 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.280 RFK is going to do this. He's ended all of 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:35.000 these different programs like tracking all sorts of health stuff. Right, 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.320 They're not tracking certain diseases like they're going to end 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.840 all that tracking, but they are going to track people 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.520 who have autism. So just explain to me how this 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:45.760 makes any sense. 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:47.520 No, don't, you can't. 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:49.000 I was good to say it not to do with that. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.400 But what I will explain to you, which I'm sure 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.240 you already know, is that Trump is now saying about 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.200 his deportations that the reason they're going to start evading 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.080 new processes, they cannot everyone a trial. 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.480 Yeah, I love it so much. Yeah, you can't give 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:05.439 everyone a trial. 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:06.480 Yeah you can. 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.400 That's how we do it here. He said this during 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:13.120 one of his truths. These truths we hold from his 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:17.800 truth social America can't give everyone a trial. It's actually 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:22.960 the bedrock of our constitution. He's very unhappy. He wants 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:27.200 to ship hundreds of Venezuelan men to Seecott, the scary 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:32.080 torture prison in Al Salvador. Funny, you know last week 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:36.000 we had some Republicans go to Seacott to mug for 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.440 the cameras in front of all the men in the 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:43.320 shaved heads and the white pajamas, a little bit like 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:47.400 Abu Grave right when we saw soldiers do that. Not 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.880 another dark moment in American history. You know, It's funny 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.880 because it's like, here we are Trump World trying to 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:58.079 enact this Alien Enemies Act, which was every time it's 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.600 been enacted, it's been during war, but it's also been 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.560 sort of the darkest moments, Like nobody is like we 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.240 need to go back to turning the Japanese, like that 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.600 was one of our darkest moments, and that's where we 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:14.960 are here more of the darkest moments. So not not surprising, 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:16.960 but you know here we are. 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:18.040 Yeah. 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.480 I can't think of anything more American than our proud 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.920 tradition of making people wait two years for trials, to 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.319 the point that when we see somebody finally stayd trial 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.640 for something, we all go I thought they were dead. 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:31.520 Yeah, that's what we do here. 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:38.120 Mike Tamaski is the editor of The New Republic and 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:42.240 the author of The Middle Out The Rise of Progressive Economics. 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.839 Welcome back to Fast Politics, Mike Tamaski. 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.480 It's my favorite thing. Molly Jong Fast. 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.360 We know each other forever. You taught me how to 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:52.480 write opinion. 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:57.360 Let's talk about the moment we find ourselves in not great, 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:59.520 not great great. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:04.720 Yeah, it gets weirder every week. This week's weirdness again 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:08.480 with the fact that the Pope sized up jd Vance 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.320 and decided it was time to go check out. 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:16.560 I'm so bad, oh, the poor Pope. 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:21.280 Yeah, absolutely no. He was one of the great popes 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.679 of my lifetime, which extended back much farther than I 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:28.960 care to admit, includes briefly, although I wasn't sentient and 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.440 wasn't aware of him, But it includes briefly John the 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.040 twenty third who, from our point of view is the best, 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.400 because you know, he was the liberal and he opened 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:39.120 things up in the English mass of this and that. 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.800 But then Pape Bendict never went as far as we 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:43.640 would have hoped. But he did a lot of things 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.280 and planted a lot of seeds that I hope will 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.360 sprout in the future. Anyway, let's stop so. 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.400 We know he was a good pope because Marjorie Taylor 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:57.760 Green tweeted after he died today there were major shifts 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:02.360 in global leaderships. Evil is being defeated by the hand 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:03.079 of God. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.960 I did see that tweet. I didn't quite realize that 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:07.640 this was what she was referring to. 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:11.840 But of course I too did not realize that was 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:15.160 what she was referring to. But later I realized that 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:20.480 she was in fact referring to the death of the pope. 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:24.080 Imagine if a Democrat did that. Imagine if a Democrat 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.880 was like even just was like, I never liked him anyway. 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:32.960 I mean, yeah, it's insanity, and it's reached an intolerable point. 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:35.080 So what else do we have. We have a defense 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.120 secretary who's obviously way it over his head. It's not 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:41.280 as if we didn't know. Now, it's not as if 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.640 we didn't know. When he was nominated, there were dozens 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.480 hundreds of people who said, is he kidding? When Trump 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:51.040 was talking last year about his beautiful tariffs, the most 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:54.880 beautiful world word in the dictionary, there were dozens or 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.720 hundreds of people saying, he's out of his mind. He's 0:14:57.720 --> 0:14:59.560 going to tank the markets, he's going to cause a 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.440 global trade war, he's going to ruin the economy, and 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.520 he just genuinely doesn't know what he's talking about when 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:11.479 he says having an individual trade deficit with any particular 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:13.240 country in the world is a horrible thing. 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:13.600 You know. 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.560 Another aspect of that that is under discussed, in my view, 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.000 is that he has said many times he wants to 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.760 go back to like it was in the eighteen hundreds, 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.200 when we didn't have an internal revenue service. The government 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:29.520 just lived off tariff income. That is an insane thought. 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.120 I could go into the numbers very well. Then, of 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:37.760 course there's the jailing of innocent people. And Khalil, his 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:39.120 son was born this week. 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.400 Did you cactually miss the birth of his son. 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:46.240 Yeah, because he's in a detention facility, but they moved 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:47.320 him to New Jersey. 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:49.680 Yeah, but he's a permanent resident. 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.680 If I'm not mistaken, he's married to a citizen who's 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:56.840 married to a citizen another citizen, and whose only supposed 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.640 crime is having political opinion that this administration doesn't agree with. 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:04.720 It's sick, and it's getting sicker. I think the good 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.000 news here, if there is good news, and you know, 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:09.880 you and I we talk about this all the time 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:11.840 because we are friends and we tuk on the phone, 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:15.640 is that my prior is that I'm a little bit optimistic, 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.280 which is my worst quality and has proven me has 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.680 proven to be my achilles heel again and again and again. 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.640 But we're going to be a little optimistic here. It 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.400 does feel as if this is still the gang that 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.560 can't shoot straight. Like they may have had some help 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.360 with the Heritage Foundation, with Project twenty twenty five, they 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:39.680 may have had some more intellectual fortitude, or at least 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.320 the appearance of, but ultimately, at the end of the day, 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:45.600 this crew is still pretty incompetent. 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.800 Yeah, and thank goodness for that, although you know, I 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:53.280 also read that like they've executed x out of the 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:58.120 total y number of ideas in Project twenty twenty five. 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:02.160 And for a gang that can't shoot straight, that's only 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:06.200 been in office ninety days. It was a surprisingly high percentage. 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.520 Yeah, I want to talk about that today because I 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:10.560 saw an academic writing about this. 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.280 This morning, and I thought this was important. 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:18.240 Executive orders are Trump World's favorite tool because they're really 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:22.440 ultimately like he does them that are not legal, right, 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.520 They're not thought out the way Democrats used to do. 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.000 The more Republicans even. 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.400 Like, you know, a lot of these are like I'm 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:34.200 targeting Mark Elias for the Steel dossier and his lack 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:35.880 of respect for how. 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:36.480 Great I am. 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:38.639 And they fall apart in court. And there's a reason 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.120 they fall apart in court, because they're not legal, right. 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.640 We have to hope they continue to fall apart in court, 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:45.800 especially the one court that matters more than all the 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.080 other courts. And we'll see what they have to say. 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.360 You know, I think it's now obviously it's incumbent upon 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:55.040 the Supreme Court to say something more forceful about returning 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:58.640 Kilmar Abrado Garcia to the United States and getting him 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.600 out of El Salvador, the one where he wasn't supposed 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.760 to be sent. Yeah, what are there hundred and ninety 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:05.600 five countries in the world they could have sent him 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.760 to Lesotho. They could have sent him to Sri Lanka. 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:13.280 They had any and they have a lot of people. 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.000 This hasn't quite gotten through to a lot of people. 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.560 But they can bring him back and then immediately that 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:23.320 same day begin legal deportation procedures against him if they 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.320 wish to do that. But they don't wish to do that. 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.280 They're keeping him in the one place where they were 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:30.720 told they can't keep him. So yeah, I hope the 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:34.080 courts follow through. But then if the courts follow through 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.760 and Trump says, you know, okay, enforce it, then where 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:38.520 are we Look. 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:42.879 The Supreme Court went nine to zero on the due process, 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.320 and again I think the reason why the wording was 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.960 so vague, at least what I've read, is that it 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.040 was probably that Roberts was trying to get the two 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.240 Fox News hosts to sign on, because when it was 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:56.040 more specific, it was seven two. But even seven to 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:58.040 two is humongous for this court. I mean, there's a 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.480 court that overturned Road. This is a court that said 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.479 Trump was a king a year ago. So you'll have 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:07.439 to wonder if Roberts sort of understands how precarious this 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:08.200 moment is. 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.080 Well I think he does. I think he understands it. 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.800 The question is whether he has the courage to act 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.919 on that understanding. But I share your optimism to this extent, 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.760 Molly More and more people are standing up. What Harvard 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:24.040 is doing is very admirable because they didn't just say 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:26.560 no to Trump. Now they've turned around and turned the 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.720 tables on him and said we're suing you. And that's 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.359 going out of their way and kind of asking for 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.800 trouble in a good and admirable way. That should embolden people. 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:38.600 The schools of the Big ten, I hope make this 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.359 commitment of theirs. More firm does NATO Alliance affairs. I 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:44.919 hope more law firms stand up, and you know, I 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:48.760 think I do think. And finally, just to say what 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:50.920 Rachel Maddow was showing every night for the first ten 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:54.200 minutes of her show, all these demonstrations across the country 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:55.760 over time, that's all going to matter. 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:59.880 So let's just for a minute talk about Trump's Warren 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:04.040 because I think it's important. This is straight out of 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:08.480 the Hungary playbook, right, This is you go after because 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:14.280 Hungary had these fine academic institutions. We saw orbon target 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:20.040 academia it worked. He won, quote unquote, which means destroyed 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:25.920 the academic institutions. Congratulations, and you no longer matter and 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.840 the academics just move somewhere else. But this is a 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.800 page from that, right, because as you and I both know, 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.359 this is not this is not and in fact, this 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:36.639 letter and I want to talk about this. So the 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:40.560 letter that they sent, the task on Anti Semitism sent 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:44.520 that had three different of these arts of the Trump 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:45.919 government signed it. 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:47.760 Right, major letter. 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:50.439 Had all of these things that would basically put the 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:54.520 university into receivership. We will supervise all your teaching, we 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.720 will supervise all your admissions, we will supervise I mean, 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:01.040 it was just like a you will know longer be Harvard, 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:03.520 you will be Hillsdale. We're going to make Charlie Kirk 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:06.119 your dean of admissions. That was basically what they were saying. 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:08.919 What Harvard did right away was publish the letter and 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:10.920 say there's no way we can fucking do this, and 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:13.840 there's no way we will do this. The next day 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:19.000 you had just donations, endless donations coming in, and then 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:23.080 you had a groundswell of public support for Harvard. Contrast 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:26.920 that with Columbia which acquiesced and now Trump wants more. 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:30.480 Yeah, it's the age old lesson people like this. You 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.480 give them a little bit and they just keep taking more. 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:35.879 But the bottom line question and all these kinds of things, 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:38.159 Molly to me is always this, just like, how are 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:40.640 you going to be judged by history? House? History going 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:43.239 to see you. I think it's pretty clear History's going 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:45.960 to judge Harvard very favorably when all this is over, 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:48.560 and hope, hopefully we return to being a more or 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:52.160