WEBVTT - Band on the Run

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. Hi everyone, it's Paul Molldoin. Before we get to

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Wings was just the result of me asking myself,

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<v Speaker 2>am I going to stop now that the Beatles stopped?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's so wonderful, so successful. Do I now

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<v Speaker 2>stop and kind of look for something else to do?

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<v Speaker 2>But I thought, no, I like music too much, so

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<v Speaker 2>the whatever the something else is will be music. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was wording interus did she find starting the band?

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<v Speaker 2>And she said yeah, Well, she paused, she wasn't that quick,

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I just thought, well, we'll just start something

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<v Speaker 2>that feels good and we'll build it up like the

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<v Speaker 2>Beatles did on the trouble being, we'd have to make

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<v Speaker 2>our mistakes in public this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Around, and Paul will done for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been fortunate to spend time with one of the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest songwriters of the era and will.

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<v Speaker 3>You look at me?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going up to it. I'm actually a performer.

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<v Speaker 1>That is Sir Paul McCartney. We work together on a

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<v Speaker 1>book looking at the lyrics of more than one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty of his songs, and we recorded many hours

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<v Speaker 1>of our conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like going back to an old snapshot album

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<v Speaker 2>looking back on work I hadn't ever analyzed.

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<v Speaker 1>This is McCartney, a life in lyrics, a masterclass, a memoir,

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<v Speaker 1>and an improvised journey with one of the most iconic

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<v Speaker 1>figures in popular music. In this episode, Band on the Run,

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<v Speaker 1>a single from Wing's third studio album, Band on the Run,

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<v Speaker 1>is McCartney's quintessential narrative songwriting in action. Split into two parts.

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<v Speaker 1>The first section of the song follows a band of

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<v Speaker 1>outlaws languishing in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuck Insidi's fal sands inside Forever Never Again.

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<v Speaker 4>Right about that time, there were a lot of people

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<v Speaker 4>who were pretending to be desperados, pretending.

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<v Speaker 2>To be gangsters. Outlaws was a word that came up

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. Desperados came up a lot. The thing is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with the pot situation, we were outside the

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<v Speaker 2>law in a very mild way. Right, So then we

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<v Speaker 2>knew we were doing this. So it spawned a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people talking about themselves as desperados.

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<v Speaker 5>Desperado, why don't you come to you know, Sands, you've

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<v Speaker 5>been out bad fances for so long now.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy three, the same year as Band on

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<v Speaker 1>the Run, the Eagles released Desperado.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh you made didn't know?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you're paining your.

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<v Speaker 5>There grading.

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<v Speaker 1>So outlaws were certainly in fashion at the time. HARKing

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<v Speaker 1>back to the long standing tradition of the American Western.

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<v Speaker 2>Reminds me of like Patch Custody in The Sundance Kid. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>guns and knives harder. Now, you gotta plan more, you

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<v Speaker 2>gotta prepare more guns and knives, neither brick And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>imagining it because of this DESPERADERI thing. I'm imagining this

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<v Speaker 2>in America. No, no, not yet, not to me and hard,

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<v Speaker 2>get the rules straightened down, rules and a knife.

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<v Speaker 3>Fight no rules.

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<v Speaker 1>As in many scenes from popular westerns like Butch Cassidy

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<v Speaker 1>and The Sundance Kid, the song sets up a band

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<v Speaker 1>of outlaws in a scene of captivity, dreaming about what

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<v Speaker 1>they would do were they to escape.

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<v Speaker 2>Give I ever, get out? Not giving it all the

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<v Speaker 2>way to registered charity Bind today.

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<v Speaker 5>If I ever get out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of it, if we ever get out on the run,

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<v Speaker 2>what does that mean? What does that mean? It means

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<v Speaker 2>a bound of people who escaped from a Perusian or

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<v Speaker 2>you could take it as a bound music on a tour.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know we are abound on the run and

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<v Speaker 2>if you're playing singing it, you're getting the double meaning.

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<v Speaker 2>So everyone's looking for us, but we're on the run

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<v Speaker 2>and they're never gonna catch us.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, the rains exploded with a mighty crash as we

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<v Speaker 7>BALI to the sun. The first one said to the

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<v Speaker 7>second one, thereaving.

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<v Speaker 6>On the run, bad run.

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<v Speaker 2>The rain exploded with a mighty crash. We fell into

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<v Speaker 2>the song, and the first one said to the second one,

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<v Speaker 2>there if you're having fun. So you know that's the

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<v Speaker 2>prison break and.

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<v Speaker 7>The jail man and sailor Sam searching everyone all the bad.

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<v Speaker 6>On the run.

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<v Speaker 1>On the run, the song is focused on a band

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<v Speaker 1>of fight breaking out of jail and glevanting through the desert. However,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the other type of band that was more

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<v Speaker 1>familiar to McCartney.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a band on the run from Beetle Down

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<v Speaker 2>Liards I mean wings was the next step after the words.

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<v Speaker 2>If I was going to continue, then how was it

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<v Speaker 2>going to do it? Well? How did the Beatles do it? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>They were just four little guys from Liverpool to no

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<v Speaker 2>ships and then they figured it out and they worked

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<v Speaker 2>out him. They did ten thousand hours and then suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>they were big and famous. So I thought, well, you're

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<v Speaker 2>either try and get yourself a super group, which what

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<v Speaker 2>happened is a group of blind faith shirt which was

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<v Speaker 2>ginger and certain people are that Zeppelin. It was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a little bit that, you know, it was handset,

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<v Speaker 2>hand picked, famous tuble or you just sort of getting

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<v Speaker 2>a bo and ask a couple of nuts to come along,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and you don't fuss about it too much.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what we decided to do.

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<v Speaker 7>WILLI UNDERTAKEO You Heavy Side.

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<v Speaker 6>Gone and a bell a drinking in a village, square down,

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<v Speaker 6>long run.

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<v Speaker 1>Like any good desperado, McCartney had to enlist his accomplices,

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<v Speaker 1>seeking out the best people for the job rather than

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<v Speaker 1>those with the most notoriety. With Linda by his side

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<v Speaker 1>on this adventure, he began to put together the new.

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<v Speaker 2>Band Everybody wants to be in a band.

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<v Speaker 4>That part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean to know it's true. It's a nice

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<v Speaker 2>idea of nothing else.

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<v Speaker 1>McCartney knew he wanted to Denny Layne on guitar and

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<v Speaker 1>backup vocals. Denny Layne had been a core member of

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<v Speaker 1>the Moody Blues in the mid sixties. They had made

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<v Speaker 1>it big with their hit single go Now.

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<v Speaker 5>Since she Gotta Go.

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<v Speaker 2>You see, So I knew Denny. We toured with the Moodies,

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<v Speaker 2>so any I got on with him. So he's the

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<v Speaker 2>first person I asked. Not Linda was the first question,

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<v Speaker 2>then Jenny, and then I came to New York auditioned

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<v Speaker 2>people for Ram and Jenny Sigel showed up out of that,

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<v Speaker 2>so that was it kind of thing, you know. Henry

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<v Speaker 2>McCollough was just somebody our roadies knew. So Crackles I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't come along with. And it was the next move

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<v Speaker 2>after the Beatles. The only philosophy behind us was to

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<v Speaker 2>not do Beatles songs, just to create something completely new.

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<v Speaker 2>So there hadn't been a girl in the Beatles. The

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<v Speaker 2>Beatles had known each other all their lives, so it

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<v Speaker 2>was all the opposite. This is like just a different

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<v Speaker 2>way of doing it.

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<v Speaker 7>Really was falling as a desert world began to set

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<v Speaker 7>down in the town of searching for us everywhere because

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<v Speaker 7>we never will be.

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<v Speaker 6>Run.

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<v Speaker 1>Once the members of Wings fail into place, the group

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<v Speaker 1>became a literal band on the run. Throughout the early

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies, they traveled all over England on an impromptu

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<v Speaker 1>concert tour, learning the ropes of performance as the Beatles

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<v Speaker 1>once did in Hamburg.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, because the theory was to just plan

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<v Speaker 2>as you went along, I was quite chaostic in the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>We would shove up at student unions and say can

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<v Speaker 2>we do a gig? Because you knew they had a

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<v Speaker 2>hole and they had people, so we would do that.

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<v Speaker 2>We charged fifty p on the door and the guy

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<v Speaker 2>I would come up with a big bag of fifty PCE,

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<v Speaker 2>showed up the night before, talked to a very amused

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<v Speaker 2>students union leader who didn't believe it me till he

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<v Speaker 2>came out of the vamp. Well you got a whold

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<v Speaker 2>and we played lunch down. Yeah, and then it was

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<v Speaker 2>just advertised to so we'll comment or music in the

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<v Speaker 2>whole wild and letting people showed up played fifty p.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's a big bag of coins, which I just

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<v Speaker 2>always wanted to be a Peter Sellers movie. One for You,

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<v Speaker 2>Two for Me, and everyone just took a handful of

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<v Speaker 2>coins and we went around Britain. We had eleven songs,

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<v Speaker 2>so we had to repeat some of them, and some

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<v Speaker 2>of the gigs must have been quite bad, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because we didn't really know what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an amusing image, this former Beatle showing up to

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<v Speaker 1>play in a college cafeteria trying to hone the sound

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<v Speaker 1>of his new musical group. Despite McCartney being a seasoned professional,

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<v Speaker 1>the band still needed practice time, a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot of membering. I mean well, and I had a

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<v Speaker 2>song called Wildlife rough earliest album when Linda had the

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<v Speaker 2>intro on keyboard, don't m m Jim Jim dun't secrets

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<v Speaker 2>the chords? I mean, I said, there you Newcastle, it's

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<v Speaker 2>Newcastle City Hall. A song now, this song called called Wildlife, Wildlife,

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<v Speaker 2>want to through, want to through nothing. I look over

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<v Speaker 2>and Lender's just frozen. I want to see things. She

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't heard of the country. So I go over. Now

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<v Speaker 2>the crowd kind of wondering whether this is just a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of theater. When I go over and the cords,

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<v Speaker 2>oh sh you on, So I mean, actually, if this happened,

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<v Speaker 2>a sketch would be quite funny. So I go over, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember the bloody Courts, don't you what. Luckily,

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<v Speaker 2>seeing either, she suddenly remembered, so she pushed her to

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<v Speaker 2>one side and we started. But those were the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of chaotic moments were you know, we nearly just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>remember songs, or we'd play quite badly, or we play

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<v Speaker 2>stuff the audience didn't want to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>We kind of got away with it, but well, what

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<v Speaker 1>did you There was a great deal of pressure on

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<v Speaker 1>McCartney's new band as the media made comparisons to the

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<v Speaker 1>group that had dissolved a few years earlier. McCartney himself

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<v Speaker 1>wondered whether Wings would be able to measure up.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of this is just happening in my own mind.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not what anyone's telling me. I'm automatically thinking, well,

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<v Speaker 2>the Beatles were great, so Wings is not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be as great. Mike from all along was after the Beatles,

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<v Speaker 2>who's going to be as good as them? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, and I kind of knew it couldn't happen,

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<v Speaker 2>but I thought, well, yeah, but we can be not

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<v Speaker 2>as good as the Beatles, but we can be something else.

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<v Speaker 3>That must have been hard in some way to feel

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<v Speaker 3>that from the outset.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it was, but as I said, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>was to continue. I had to tough it out. But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I had reserves of courage from the Beatles

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<v Speaker 2>having pennies thrown at them at Stroud Village Hall, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so we'd had that, we'd had that bullshit, So here

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<v Speaker 2>it was again. The hardest thing I think was with

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<v Speaker 2>Linda in the group, who was a complete amateur. And

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<v Speaker 2>I said, well, so was George when he joined the group.

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<v Speaker 2>So was I. So was John, so was Rinko.

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<v Speaker 3>You taught her keyboards and I showed her a.

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<v Speaker 2>Few things on keyboard, and then she learned herself, and

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<v Speaker 2>she had a couple of lessons and stuff, and it

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<v Speaker 2>turned out that her strength wasn't necessarily the keyboard thing,

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<v Speaker 2>although she handled the job, It was more as a spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a great sort of cheerleader. She would get

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<v Speaker 2>crowds going. She did a lot of that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so cap your hands kind of thing, and in those

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<v Speaker 2>days there weren't many women in groups, so she was

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a pioneer in that aspect, and listening back

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<v Speaker 2>to the record, she was damn good singer, even though

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<v Speaker 2>she was amateur, and people were looking for anything to

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<v Speaker 2>damn her. But we got through it.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's going to think, well, of course, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>the terrible fact is that human beings have a tendency,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, to whine about something, to find something.

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<v Speaker 2>We're very insecure as a race. As an animal, I've

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<v Speaker 2>often sort of seen so like rabbits and things in

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<v Speaker 2>the garden or in the field and think they live

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<v Speaker 2>a life of terror.

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<v Speaker 8>Total they're looking over the shoulders all the time, and

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<v Speaker 8>I think, so are we. I'm not sure we're that

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<v Speaker 8>different in our way. We're looking over our shoulders, and

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<v Speaker 8>that engenders a not so generous.

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<v Speaker 2>Spirit, ding a really square. I mean, it's always good

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<v Speaker 2>to slack someone off, or to see someone get slagged off.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's it's another instinct that makes us feel

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<v Speaker 2>not so bad. I think it's a big instinct in us.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that it's because we're insecure. So the

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<v Speaker 2>more secure you get, the more generous you can become, and.

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<v Speaker 7>Say said everyone all the.

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<v Speaker 6>Run.

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<v Speaker 1>By nineteen seventy three, Wings was finding its groove, but

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<v Speaker 1>McCartney had yet to win back music critics since the

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<v Speaker 1>breakup of the Beatles. This third studio album, Band on

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<v Speaker 1>the Run, would be wings chance to establish themselves and

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<v Speaker 1>McCartney's chance to prove he still in a long career

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<v Speaker 1>in front of him. When it came time to record,

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<v Speaker 1>McCartney was hoping to be inspired by a change of scenery.

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<v Speaker 2>This was recorded in Legos. It doesn't rule. I knew

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<v Speaker 2>EMI had studios all over the world, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know where they were, so I asked for a list

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<v Speaker 2>and they were in China, Rio, France. You know Legos. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that sounds interesting. I love African music. I'll speaking African

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<v Speaker 2>music being there, but we're not doing African music, but

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<v Speaker 2>still being in the land the African music come from.

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<v Speaker 2>It will have some sort of nice and lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>As much as McCartney imagined Legos would be a good

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<v Speaker 1>backdrop for the life of musical Desperados, not all members

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<v Speaker 1>of the band felt the same. The night before they

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<v Speaker 1>were set to start recording, drummer Denny Sywell and guitarist

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<v Speaker 1>Henry McCulloch rang up McCartney to tell him they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be coming.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like furious at first. It's like, you're not

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<v Speaker 2>coming to make on that album. Well that's not that's

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<v Speaker 2>not very bad luck. And I'm that kind of person.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't go, Okay, God, I going to rethink this.

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm going somewhere, then I'm going I've noticed that

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<v Speaker 2>about me. I'd like to stick to the plan, so

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<v Speaker 2>then I actually deal with this in my mind. So

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought, well, screw you, I'm going to make

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<v Speaker 2>this the best raffle I've made to date since leaving

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<v Speaker 2>the Beatles. Before Welcome, I got Denny guitar, got Linda

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<v Speaker 2>both us, Denny vocals, me vocals. I'll drun right. I've

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<v Speaker 2>drunk a lot anywhere. It was crazy. These circumstances were

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<v Speaker 2>just wild. I think anybody else might have given up

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<v Speaker 2>because the studio was only half built and we had

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<v Speaker 2>to figure it all out. But I had Danny Lyndon myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I had Jeff Emeric, who's the People's engineer.

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<v Speaker 1>Late one night, as Paul and Linda were walking in

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<v Speaker 1>an area of time they had been told to avoid,

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<v Speaker 1>some men hopped out of a car and mugged them

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<v Speaker 1>at knife point. They stole a couple of Linda's cameras,

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<v Speaker 1>some unfinished lyrics and the demo tips for the upcoming album.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been walk what we did to listen because we

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<v Speaker 2>were just for others, so we just were walking later

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<v Speaker 2>now where we've been told not to walk.

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<v Speaker 1>So in terms of reconstructing, if you have to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to if not Square won something akin to it.

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<v Speaker 2>We remember them well enough. I'm sure I had the

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<v Speaker 2>lyrics somewhat. We always think the guys your native was

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<v Speaker 2>like five Legos calls were so they would have re

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<v Speaker 2>recorded over them some decent music Africa or just chucked

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<v Speaker 2>them away as robbish.

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<v Speaker 1>The band's trip to Legos, what with the half finished

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<v Speaker 1>studio and the unexpected mugging, wasn't quite what McCartney had imagined.

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<v Speaker 1>When Paul and Linda returned to England, they found a

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<v Speaker 1>letter at their home from the e m I chairman

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<v Speaker 1>warning them not to go to Legos because of a

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<v Speaker 1>cholera outbreak. The letter had arrived after they had left.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, looking back on exters like that, you block out

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<v Speaker 2>all the worst stuff and you remember all.

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<v Speaker 1>Piclso despite the recording conditions, Band on the Run was

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<v Speaker 1>a runaway success. Upon the release of the album, Wings

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<v Speaker 1>became more secure, not just as a follow up band

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<v Speaker 1>to the Beatles, but as a significant musical group in

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<v Speaker 1>their own right. The song band on the Run was

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<v Speaker 1>one of Wings's first hits, topping the charts at numb

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<v Speaker 1>were one in America a number three in the UK.

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking to a journalist once about Sergeant Pepper,

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<v Speaker 2>going on about it as if he must admire it,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, we'll tell you the truth. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a band on the run for me. It's

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<v Speaker 2>more my generation of the run was his Sergeant Pepper, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So I suddenly realized, oh yeah, And that has proved

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<v Speaker 2>to be a very interesting fact over the years, that

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<v Speaker 2>there are some people who actually like what I did

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<v Speaker 2>with Wings better than the Beatles. There are some people

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<v Speaker 2>whose first thing they ever heard was, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>band on the run or jet or something that we

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<v Speaker 2>did with Wings, and I think for them that means

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. They have a special affection for that.

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<v Speaker 1>He The success of Wings was a testament to McCartney's

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<v Speaker 1>entrepreneurial spirit, as well as his willingness to deviate from

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<v Speaker 1>rules and expectations.

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<v Speaker 3>You're it sounds a lot about you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that you're relating to well to borrow a

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<v Speaker 2>phrase from Yets sort of more naked. You know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't have to do that, right, you really did know.

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<v Speaker 2>It also says I'm mad, but that is right. I

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<v Speaker 2>could think of other ways to do it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't like them, and so the only other rules not

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<v Speaker 2>do it. Okay, I'll do this way because I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's probably a good way because we will learn, we

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<v Speaker 2>will develop. By the time we're ready, we'll be pretty good,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll have had some success with records here and

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<v Speaker 2>there and never So it was seventy sixth when we

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<v Speaker 2>finally had Band on Us a big record. We then

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<v Speaker 2>toured properly as Wings.

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<v Speaker 6>That time.

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<v Speaker 1>Band on the Run the title track from Wings nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three album in the next episode.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 6>Its Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Seal Maxwell's Silver Hammer, a cheerful song about a serial

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<v Speaker 1>killer inspired by an obscure French avant garde play McCartney

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<v Speaker 1>A Life in Lyrics is a co production between iHeartMedia,

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<v Speaker 1>NPL and Pushkin Industries.