1 00:00:14,824 --> 00:00:22,064 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hi everyone, it's Paul Molldoin. Before we get to 2 00:00:22,144 --> 00:00:24,784 Speaker 1: this episode, I wanted to let you know that you 3 00:00:24,864 --> 00:00:29,384 Speaker 1: can binge all twelve episodes of McCartney A Life and 4 00:00:29,464 --> 00:00:35,184 Speaker 1: Lyrics right now, add free by becoming a Pushkin Plus subscriber. 5 00:00:35,904 --> 00:00:40,224 Speaker 1: Find Pushkin Plus on the McCartney A Life and Lyrics Show, 6 00:00:40,304 --> 00:00:47,424 Speaker 1: pedge in Apple Podcasts, or at pushkin dot Fm slash Plus. 7 00:00:49,344 --> 00:00:54,544 Speaker 2: I mean, Wings was just the result of me asking myself, 8 00:00:55,064 --> 00:00:58,544 Speaker 2: am I going to stop now that the Beatles stopped? 9 00:00:59,424 --> 00:01:02,744 Speaker 2: I mean, it's so wonderful, so successful. Do I now 10 00:01:02,824 --> 00:01:05,664 Speaker 2: stop and kind of look for something else to do? 11 00:01:07,464 --> 00:01:10,904 Speaker 2: But I thought, no, I like music too much, so 12 00:01:11,144 --> 00:01:15,224 Speaker 2: the whatever the something else is will be music. So 13 00:01:15,464 --> 00:01:18,344 Speaker 2: I was wording interus did she find starting the band? 14 00:01:19,064 --> 00:01:22,784 Speaker 2: And she said yeah, Well, she paused, she wasn't that quick, 15 00:01:28,344 --> 00:01:31,904 Speaker 2: So yeah, I just thought, well, we'll just start something 16 00:01:32,304 --> 00:01:35,264 Speaker 2: that feels good and we'll build it up like the 17 00:01:35,264 --> 00:01:38,384 Speaker 2: Beatles did on the trouble being, we'd have to make 18 00:01:38,424 --> 00:01:40,304 Speaker 2: our mistakes in public this time. 19 00:01:40,104 --> 00:01:49,304 Speaker 1: Around, and Paul will done for a while. 20 00:01:49,424 --> 00:01:49,704 Speaker 2: Now. 21 00:01:49,864 --> 00:01:52,904 Speaker 1: I've been fortunate to spend time with one of the 22 00:01:52,944 --> 00:01:56,304 Speaker 1: greatest songwriters of the era and will. 23 00:01:56,104 --> 00:01:56,624 Speaker 3: You look at me? 24 00:01:57,464 --> 00:01:59,984 Speaker 2: I'm going up to it. I'm actually a performer. 25 00:02:00,664 --> 00:02:04,224 Speaker 1: That is Sir Paul McCartney. We work together on a 26 00:02:04,304 --> 00:02:06,864 Speaker 1: book looking at the lyrics of more than one hundred 27 00:02:06,864 --> 00:02:11,424 Speaker 1: and fifty of his songs, and we recorded many hours 28 00:02:11,704 --> 00:02:12,904 Speaker 1: of our conversations. 29 00:02:13,424 --> 00:02:16,824 Speaker 2: It was like going back to an old snapshot album 30 00:02:16,824 --> 00:02:21,544 Speaker 2: looking back on work I hadn't ever analyzed. 31 00:02:22,024 --> 00:02:28,424 Speaker 1: This is McCartney, a life in lyrics, a masterclass, a memoir, 32 00:02:28,984 --> 00:02:32,584 Speaker 1: and an improvised journey with one of the most iconic 33 00:02:32,664 --> 00:02:37,744 Speaker 1: figures in popular music. In this episode, Band on the Run, 34 00:02:38,304 --> 00:02:46,824 Speaker 1: a single from Wing's third studio album, Band on the Run, 35 00:02:46,984 --> 00:02:54,104 Speaker 1: is McCartney's quintessential narrative songwriting in action. Split into two parts. 36 00:02:54,184 --> 00:02:57,664 Speaker 1: The first section of the song follows a band of 37 00:02:57,744 --> 00:03:00,424 Speaker 1: outlaws languishing in prison. 38 00:03:00,624 --> 00:03:20,024 Speaker 2: Stuck Insidi's fal sands inside Forever Never Again. 39 00:03:21,944 --> 00:03:25,824 Speaker 4: Right about that time, there were a lot of people 40 00:03:27,264 --> 00:03:32,504 Speaker 4: who were pretending to be desperados, pretending. 41 00:03:32,224 --> 00:03:36,904 Speaker 2: To be gangsters. Outlaws was a word that came up 42 00:03:36,904 --> 00:03:40,304 Speaker 2: a lot. Desperados came up a lot. The thing is, 43 00:03:40,384 --> 00:03:45,104 Speaker 2: you know, with the pot situation, we were outside the 44 00:03:45,264 --> 00:03:49,944 Speaker 2: law in a very mild way. Right, So then we 45 00:03:50,024 --> 00:03:53,944 Speaker 2: knew we were doing this. So it spawned a lot 46 00:03:54,024 --> 00:03:58,384 Speaker 2: of people talking about themselves as desperados. 47 00:03:59,144 --> 00:04:07,984 Speaker 5: Desperado, why don't you come to you know, Sands, you've 48 00:04:08,024 --> 00:04:14,344 Speaker 5: been out bad fances for so long now. 49 00:04:14,904 --> 00:04:18,104 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy three, the same year as Band on 50 00:04:18,184 --> 00:04:21,544 Speaker 1: the Run, the Eagles released Desperado. 51 00:04:22,464 --> 00:04:29,264 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh you made didn't know? 52 00:04:29,584 --> 00:04:33,744 Speaker 6: Yeah, you're paining your. 53 00:04:36,064 --> 00:04:37,104 Speaker 5: There grading. 54 00:04:39,704 --> 00:04:43,824 Speaker 1: So outlaws were certainly in fashion at the time. HARKing 55 00:04:43,944 --> 00:04:48,624 Speaker 1: back to the long standing tradition of the American Western. 56 00:04:48,544 --> 00:04:51,744 Speaker 2: Reminds me of like Patch Custody in The Sundance Kid. Yes, 57 00:04:52,064 --> 00:04:54,544 Speaker 2: guns and knives harder. Now, you gotta plan more, you 58 00:04:54,624 --> 00:05:00,304 Speaker 2: gotta prepare more guns and knives, neither brick And I'm 59 00:05:00,384 --> 00:05:04,984 Speaker 2: imagining it because of this DESPERADERI thing. I'm imagining this 60 00:05:05,144 --> 00:05:08,984 Speaker 2: in America. No, no, not yet, not to me and hard, 61 00:05:09,144 --> 00:05:12,704 Speaker 2: get the rules straightened down, rules and a knife. 62 00:05:12,464 --> 00:05:13,904 Speaker 3: Fight no rules. 63 00:05:15,304 --> 00:05:19,264 Speaker 1: As in many scenes from popular westerns like Butch Cassidy 64 00:05:19,384 --> 00:05:23,424 Speaker 1: and The Sundance Kid, the song sets up a band 65 00:05:23,464 --> 00:05:27,664 Speaker 1: of outlaws in a scene of captivity, dreaming about what 66 00:05:27,824 --> 00:05:30,264 Speaker 1: they would do were they to escape. 67 00:05:31,424 --> 00:05:35,824 Speaker 2: Give I ever, get out? Not giving it all the 68 00:05:35,944 --> 00:05:42,104 Speaker 2: way to registered charity Bind today. 69 00:05:42,424 --> 00:05:43,744 Speaker 5: If I ever get out. 70 00:05:43,664 --> 00:05:48,944 Speaker 2: Of it, if we ever get out on the run, 71 00:05:50,024 --> 00:05:53,344 Speaker 2: what does that mean? What does that mean? It means 72 00:05:54,424 --> 00:05:59,224 Speaker 2: a bound of people who escaped from a Perusian or 73 00:06:00,104 --> 00:06:04,824 Speaker 2: you could take it as a bound music on a tour. 74 00:06:05,704 --> 00:06:08,144 Speaker 2: So you know we are abound on the run and 75 00:06:08,224 --> 00:06:11,824 Speaker 2: if you're playing singing it, you're getting the double meaning. 76 00:06:12,784 --> 00:06:15,824 Speaker 2: So everyone's looking for us, but we're on the run 77 00:06:16,664 --> 00:06:18,144 Speaker 2: and they're never gonna catch us. 78 00:06:19,664 --> 00:06:23,744 Speaker 7: Well, the rains exploded with a mighty crash as we 79 00:06:23,944 --> 00:06:29,384 Speaker 7: BALI to the sun. The first one said to the 80 00:06:29,544 --> 00:06:35,024 Speaker 7: second one, thereaving. 81 00:06:36,264 --> 00:06:40,904 Speaker 6: On the run, bad run. 82 00:06:42,584 --> 00:06:44,784 Speaker 2: The rain exploded with a mighty crash. We fell into 83 00:06:44,864 --> 00:06:47,864 Speaker 2: the song, and the first one said to the second one, 84 00:06:47,904 --> 00:06:50,664 Speaker 2: there if you're having fun. So you know that's the 85 00:06:50,744 --> 00:06:52,304 Speaker 2: prison break and. 86 00:06:52,424 --> 00:07:00,904 Speaker 7: The jail man and sailor Sam searching everyone all the bad. 87 00:07:01,024 --> 00:07:02,144 Speaker 6: On the run. 88 00:07:04,824 --> 00:07:08,264 Speaker 1: On the run, the song is focused on a band 89 00:07:08,424 --> 00:07:13,864 Speaker 1: of fight breaking out of jail and glevanting through the desert. However, 90 00:07:14,104 --> 00:07:16,984 Speaker 1: it was the other type of band that was more 91 00:07:17,064 --> 00:07:18,624 Speaker 1: familiar to McCartney. 92 00:07:19,544 --> 00:07:22,104 Speaker 2: It's not a band on the run from Beetle Down 93 00:07:22,184 --> 00:07:29,104 Speaker 2: Liards I mean wings was the next step after the words. 94 00:07:29,264 --> 00:07:33,264 Speaker 2: If I was going to continue, then how was it 95 00:07:33,344 --> 00:07:36,104 Speaker 2: going to do it? Well? How did the Beatles do it? Well? 96 00:07:36,144 --> 00:07:38,784 Speaker 2: They were just four little guys from Liverpool to no 97 00:07:38,984 --> 00:07:42,384 Speaker 2: ships and then they figured it out and they worked 98 00:07:42,384 --> 00:07:45,184 Speaker 2: out him. They did ten thousand hours and then suddenly 99 00:07:45,264 --> 00:07:50,064 Speaker 2: they were big and famous. So I thought, well, you're 100 00:07:50,104 --> 00:07:54,064 Speaker 2: either try and get yourself a super group, which what 101 00:07:54,144 --> 00:07:57,104 Speaker 2: happened is a group of blind faith shirt which was 102 00:07:57,224 --> 00:08:00,944 Speaker 2: ginger and certain people are that Zeppelin. It was kind 103 00:08:00,984 --> 00:08:04,624 Speaker 2: of a little bit that, you know, it was handset, 104 00:08:04,984 --> 00:08:08,824 Speaker 2: hand picked, famous tuble or you just sort of getting 105 00:08:08,824 --> 00:08:11,064 Speaker 2: a bo and ask a couple of nuts to come along, 106 00:08:11,184 --> 00:08:13,344 Speaker 2: you know, and you don't fuss about it too much. 107 00:08:14,904 --> 00:08:15,944 Speaker 2: That's what we decided to do. 108 00:08:17,184 --> 00:08:20,904 Speaker 7: WILLI UNDERTAKEO You Heavy Side. 109 00:08:22,944 --> 00:08:30,224 Speaker 6: Gone and a bell a drinking in a village, square down, 110 00:08:33,984 --> 00:08:34,864 Speaker 6: long run. 111 00:08:40,264 --> 00:08:45,344 Speaker 1: Like any good desperado, McCartney had to enlist his accomplices, 112 00:08:45,984 --> 00:08:49,624 Speaker 1: seeking out the best people for the job rather than 113 00:08:49,664 --> 00:08:53,824 Speaker 1: those with the most notoriety. With Linda by his side 114 00:08:53,904 --> 00:08:57,384 Speaker 1: on this adventure, he began to put together the new. 115 00:08:57,344 --> 00:09:00,184 Speaker 2: Band Everybody wants to be in a band. 116 00:09:01,544 --> 00:09:02,104 Speaker 4: That part of it. 117 00:09:02,184 --> 00:09:04,584 Speaker 2: I don't mean to know it's true. It's a nice 118 00:09:04,944 --> 00:09:06,344 Speaker 2: idea of nothing else. 119 00:09:07,184 --> 00:09:10,744 Speaker 1: McCartney knew he wanted to Denny Layne on guitar and 120 00:09:11,144 --> 00:09:14,704 Speaker 1: backup vocals. Denny Layne had been a core member of 121 00:09:14,984 --> 00:09:18,304 Speaker 1: the Moody Blues in the mid sixties. They had made 122 00:09:18,304 --> 00:09:20,504 Speaker 1: it big with their hit single go Now. 123 00:09:21,384 --> 00:09:22,624 Speaker 5: Since she Gotta Go. 124 00:09:35,944 --> 00:09:41,784 Speaker 2: You see, So I knew Denny. We toured with the Moodies, 125 00:09:42,464 --> 00:09:46,024 Speaker 2: so any I got on with him. So he's the 126 00:09:46,024 --> 00:09:48,304 Speaker 2: first person I asked. Not Linda was the first question, 127 00:09:48,424 --> 00:09:54,504 Speaker 2: then Jenny, and then I came to New York auditioned 128 00:09:55,384 --> 00:10:00,344 Speaker 2: people for Ram and Jenny Sigel showed up out of that, 129 00:10:01,024 --> 00:10:02,944 Speaker 2: so that was it kind of thing, you know. Henry 130 00:10:03,024 --> 00:10:07,544 Speaker 2: McCollough was just somebody our roadies knew. So Crackles I 131 00:10:07,584 --> 00:10:11,864 Speaker 2: haven't come along with. And it was the next move 132 00:10:11,984 --> 00:10:17,344 Speaker 2: after the Beatles. The only philosophy behind us was to 133 00:10:17,544 --> 00:10:22,944 Speaker 2: not do Beatles songs, just to create something completely new. 134 00:10:24,184 --> 00:10:27,704 Speaker 2: So there hadn't been a girl in the Beatles. The 135 00:10:27,784 --> 00:10:30,784 Speaker 2: Beatles had known each other all their lives, so it 136 00:10:30,904 --> 00:10:33,944 Speaker 2: was all the opposite. This is like just a different 137 00:10:33,984 --> 00:10:34,504 Speaker 2: way of doing it. 138 00:10:35,304 --> 00:10:40,664 Speaker 7: Really was falling as a desert world began to set 139 00:10:41,144 --> 00:10:47,104 Speaker 7: down in the town of searching for us everywhere because 140 00:10:47,144 --> 00:10:48,624 Speaker 7: we never will be. 141 00:10:52,944 --> 00:10:53,144 Speaker 6: Run. 142 00:11:11,024 --> 00:11:15,144 Speaker 1: Once the members of Wings fail into place, the group 143 00:11:15,224 --> 00:11:19,424 Speaker 1: became a literal band on the run. Throughout the early 144 00:11:19,544 --> 00:11:24,064 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, they traveled all over England on an impromptu 145 00:11:24,344 --> 00:11:28,744 Speaker 1: concert tour, learning the ropes of performance as the Beatles 146 00:11:28,824 --> 00:11:30,184 Speaker 1: once did in Hamburg. 147 00:11:44,744 --> 00:11:49,744 Speaker 2: And you know, because the theory was to just plan 148 00:11:49,864 --> 00:11:54,024 Speaker 2: as you went along, I was quite chaostic in the beginning. 149 00:11:54,704 --> 00:11:57,224 Speaker 2: We would shove up at student unions and say can 150 00:11:57,264 --> 00:11:59,664 Speaker 2: we do a gig? Because you knew they had a 151 00:11:59,704 --> 00:12:02,664 Speaker 2: hole and they had people, so we would do that. 152 00:12:02,744 --> 00:12:08,064 Speaker 2: We charged fifty p on the door and the guy 153 00:12:08,064 --> 00:12:10,224 Speaker 2: I would come up with a big bag of fifty PCE, 154 00:12:11,264 --> 00:12:15,104 Speaker 2: showed up the night before, talked to a very amused 155 00:12:15,224 --> 00:12:19,704 Speaker 2: students union leader who didn't believe it me till he 156 00:12:19,744 --> 00:12:23,304 Speaker 2: came out of the vamp. Well you got a whold 157 00:12:23,424 --> 00:12:27,024 Speaker 2: and we played lunch down. Yeah, and then it was 158 00:12:27,744 --> 00:12:32,424 Speaker 2: just advertised to so we'll comment or music in the 159 00:12:32,504 --> 00:12:37,184 Speaker 2: whole wild and letting people showed up played fifty p. 160 00:12:38,064 --> 00:12:40,584 Speaker 2: Well it's a big bag of coins, which I just 161 00:12:40,784 --> 00:12:43,584 Speaker 2: always wanted to be a Peter Sellers movie. One for You, 162 00:12:44,504 --> 00:12:48,304 Speaker 2: Two for Me, and everyone just took a handful of 163 00:12:48,464 --> 00:12:53,064 Speaker 2: coins and we went around Britain. We had eleven songs, 164 00:12:54,224 --> 00:12:57,064 Speaker 2: so we had to repeat some of them, and some 165 00:12:57,224 --> 00:13:00,864 Speaker 2: of the gigs must have been quite bad, you know, 166 00:13:00,944 --> 00:13:02,424 Speaker 2: because we didn't really know what we're doing. 167 00:13:03,064 --> 00:13:07,184 Speaker 1: It's an amusing image, this former Beatle showing up to 168 00:13:07,264 --> 00:13:11,064 Speaker 1: play in a college cafeteria trying to hone the sound 169 00:13:11,424 --> 00:13:16,024 Speaker 1: of his new musical group. Despite McCartney being a seasoned professional, 170 00:13:16,544 --> 00:13:19,664 Speaker 1: the band still needed practice time, a. 171 00:13:19,704 --> 00:13:23,104 Speaker 2: Lot of membering. I mean well, and I had a 172 00:13:23,184 --> 00:13:28,744 Speaker 2: song called Wildlife rough earliest album when Linda had the 173 00:13:28,864 --> 00:13:35,784 Speaker 2: intro on keyboard, don't m m Jim Jim dun't secrets 174 00:13:35,824 --> 00:13:41,984 Speaker 2: the chords? I mean, I said, there you Newcastle, it's 175 00:13:42,064 --> 00:13:47,704 Speaker 2: Newcastle City Hall. A song now, this song called called Wildlife, Wildlife, 176 00:13:47,864 --> 00:13:53,864 Speaker 2: want to through, want to through nothing. I look over 177 00:13:53,904 --> 00:14:00,104 Speaker 2: and Lender's just frozen. I want to see things. She 178 00:14:00,224 --> 00:14:05,024 Speaker 2: hasn't heard of the country. So I go over. Now 179 00:14:05,104 --> 00:14:08,104 Speaker 2: the crowd kind of wondering whether this is just a 180 00:14:08,184 --> 00:14:13,784 Speaker 2: bit of theater. When I go over and the cords, 181 00:14:15,464 --> 00:14:19,384 Speaker 2: oh sh you on, So I mean, actually, if this happened, 182 00:14:19,424 --> 00:14:24,544 Speaker 2: a sketch would be quite funny. So I go over, well, 183 00:14:24,584 --> 00:14:29,984 Speaker 2: I can't remember the bloody Courts, don't you what. Luckily, 184 00:14:30,144 --> 00:14:34,704 Speaker 2: seeing either, she suddenly remembered, so she pushed her to 185 00:14:34,864 --> 00:14:51,464 Speaker 2: one side and we started. But those were the kind 186 00:14:51,504 --> 00:14:57,064 Speaker 2: of chaotic moments were you know, we nearly just didn't 187 00:14:57,184 --> 00:15:03,264 Speaker 2: remember songs, or we'd play quite badly, or we play 188 00:15:03,344 --> 00:15:05,144 Speaker 2: stuff the audience didn't want to hear. 189 00:15:06,024 --> 00:15:08,544 Speaker 1: We kind of got away with it, but well, what 190 00:15:08,704 --> 00:15:11,704 Speaker 1: did you There was a great deal of pressure on 191 00:15:11,944 --> 00:15:16,104 Speaker 1: McCartney's new band as the media made comparisons to the 192 00:15:16,184 --> 00:15:20,464 Speaker 1: group that had dissolved a few years earlier. McCartney himself 193 00:15:20,664 --> 00:15:23,744 Speaker 1: wondered whether Wings would be able to measure up. 194 00:15:24,104 --> 00:15:26,264 Speaker 2: A lot of this is just happening in my own mind. 195 00:15:26,944 --> 00:15:30,304 Speaker 2: It's not what anyone's telling me. I'm automatically thinking, well, 196 00:15:30,304 --> 00:15:33,744 Speaker 2: the Beatles were great, so Wings is not going to 197 00:15:33,784 --> 00:15:37,384 Speaker 2: be as great. Mike from all along was after the Beatles, 198 00:15:39,464 --> 00:15:41,504 Speaker 2: who's going to be as good as them? You know? 199 00:15:42,464 --> 00:15:45,264 Speaker 2: Of course, and I kind of knew it couldn't happen, 200 00:15:45,904 --> 00:15:48,224 Speaker 2: but I thought, well, yeah, but we can be not 201 00:15:48,544 --> 00:15:51,464 Speaker 2: as good as the Beatles, but we can be something else. 202 00:15:52,184 --> 00:15:55,464 Speaker 3: That must have been hard in some way to feel 203 00:15:55,584 --> 00:15:56,584 Speaker 3: that from the outset. 204 00:15:57,344 --> 00:15:59,984 Speaker 2: Yeah it was, but as I said, you know, I 205 00:16:00,184 --> 00:16:03,304 Speaker 2: was to continue. I had to tough it out. But 206 00:16:04,224 --> 00:16:10,024 Speaker 2: I mean I had reserves of courage from the Beatles 207 00:16:10,104 --> 00:16:14,824 Speaker 2: having pennies thrown at them at Stroud Village Hall, you know, 208 00:16:15,184 --> 00:16:19,584 Speaker 2: so we'd had that, we'd had that bullshit, So here 209 00:16:19,704 --> 00:16:23,464 Speaker 2: it was again. The hardest thing I think was with 210 00:16:23,624 --> 00:16:27,424 Speaker 2: Linda in the group, who was a complete amateur. And 211 00:16:27,584 --> 00:16:32,064 Speaker 2: I said, well, so was George when he joined the group. 212 00:16:32,464 --> 00:16:35,064 Speaker 2: So was I. So was John, so was Rinko. 213 00:16:35,504 --> 00:16:38,904 Speaker 3: You taught her keyboards and I showed her a. 214 00:16:38,944 --> 00:16:42,344 Speaker 2: Few things on keyboard, and then she learned herself, and 215 00:16:42,424 --> 00:16:45,224 Speaker 2: she had a couple of lessons and stuff, and it 216 00:16:45,384 --> 00:16:48,864 Speaker 2: turned out that her strength wasn't necessarily the keyboard thing, 217 00:16:49,904 --> 00:16:55,144 Speaker 2: although she handled the job, It was more as a spirit. 218 00:16:55,984 --> 00:16:58,984 Speaker 2: She was a great sort of cheerleader. She would get 219 00:16:59,144 --> 00:17:02,904 Speaker 2: crowds going. She did a lot of that, you know, 220 00:17:03,024 --> 00:17:21,864 Speaker 2: so cap your hands kind of thing, and in those 221 00:17:22,024 --> 00:17:25,824 Speaker 2: days there weren't many women in groups, so she was 222 00:17:25,944 --> 00:17:29,664 Speaker 2: sort of a pioneer in that aspect, and listening back 223 00:17:29,704 --> 00:17:33,104 Speaker 2: to the record, she was damn good singer, even though 224 00:17:33,184 --> 00:17:37,624 Speaker 2: she was amateur, and people were looking for anything to 225 00:17:37,864 --> 00:17:39,864 Speaker 2: damn her. But we got through it. 226 00:17:40,784 --> 00:17:43,384 Speaker 3: But it's going to think, well, of course, I mean, 227 00:17:43,584 --> 00:17:50,904 Speaker 3: the terrible fact is that human beings have a tendency, 228 00:17:51,224 --> 00:17:54,664 Speaker 3: you know, to whine about something, to find something. 229 00:17:55,984 --> 00:18:02,344 Speaker 2: We're very insecure as a race. As an animal, I've 230 00:18:02,384 --> 00:18:06,144 Speaker 2: often sort of seen so like rabbits and things in 231 00:18:06,304 --> 00:18:09,904 Speaker 2: the garden or in the field and think they live 232 00:18:09,984 --> 00:18:10,904 Speaker 2: a life of terror. 233 00:18:11,064 --> 00:18:14,344 Speaker 8: Total they're looking over the shoulders all the time, and 234 00:18:14,384 --> 00:18:17,144 Speaker 8: I think, so are we. I'm not sure we're that 235 00:18:17,344 --> 00:18:22,344 Speaker 8: different in our way. We're looking over our shoulders, and 236 00:18:22,584 --> 00:18:26,824 Speaker 8: that engenders a not so generous. 237 00:18:26,424 --> 00:18:42,944 Speaker 2: Spirit, ding a really square. I mean, it's always good 238 00:18:43,024 --> 00:18:46,264 Speaker 2: to slack someone off, or to see someone get slagged off. 239 00:18:47,304 --> 00:18:51,384 Speaker 2: I think it's it's another instinct that makes us feel 240 00:18:51,504 --> 00:18:55,344 Speaker 2: not so bad. I think it's a big instinct in us. 241 00:18:56,144 --> 00:19:01,384 Speaker 2: And I think that it's because we're insecure. So the 242 00:19:01,584 --> 00:19:06,624 Speaker 2: more secure you get, the more generous you can become, and. 243 00:19:08,704 --> 00:19:14,104 Speaker 7: Say said everyone all the. 244 00:19:15,984 --> 00:19:16,184 Speaker 6: Run. 245 00:19:31,424 --> 00:19:35,544 Speaker 1: By nineteen seventy three, Wings was finding its groove, but 246 00:19:35,824 --> 00:19:39,424 Speaker 1: McCartney had yet to win back music critics since the 247 00:19:39,504 --> 00:19:44,344 Speaker 1: breakup of the Beatles. This third studio album, Band on 248 00:19:44,424 --> 00:19:49,184 Speaker 1: the Run, would be wings chance to establish themselves and 249 00:19:49,584 --> 00:19:52,864 Speaker 1: McCartney's chance to prove he still in a long career 250 00:19:53,024 --> 00:19:55,904 Speaker 1: in front of him. When it came time to record, 251 00:19:56,464 --> 00:20:00,344 Speaker 1: McCartney was hoping to be inspired by a change of scenery. 252 00:20:01,184 --> 00:20:08,984 Speaker 2: This was recorded in Legos. It doesn't rule. I knew 253 00:20:09,224 --> 00:20:13,224 Speaker 2: EMI had studios all over the world, but I didn't 254 00:20:13,264 --> 00:20:15,304 Speaker 2: know where they were, so I asked for a list 255 00:20:16,464 --> 00:20:24,464 Speaker 2: and they were in China, Rio, France. You know Legos. Well, 256 00:20:24,624 --> 00:20:33,064 Speaker 2: that sounds interesting. I love African music. I'll speaking African 257 00:20:33,144 --> 00:20:37,824 Speaker 2: music being there, but we're not doing African music, but 258 00:20:38,064 --> 00:20:43,864 Speaker 2: still being in the land the African music come from. 259 00:20:44,744 --> 00:20:46,824 Speaker 2: It will have some sort of nice and lunch. 260 00:20:57,984 --> 00:21:01,584 Speaker 1: As much as McCartney imagined Legos would be a good 261 00:21:01,784 --> 00:21:06,064 Speaker 1: backdrop for the life of musical Desperados, not all members 262 00:21:06,104 --> 00:21:09,224 Speaker 1: of the band felt the same. The night before they 263 00:21:09,264 --> 00:21:14,304 Speaker 1: were set to start recording, drummer Denny Sywell and guitarist 264 00:21:14,464 --> 00:21:18,864 Speaker 1: Henry McCulloch rang up McCartney to tell him they wouldn't 265 00:21:18,864 --> 00:21:19,304 Speaker 1: be coming. 266 00:21:19,944 --> 00:21:25,224 Speaker 2: I was like furious at first. It's like, you're not 267 00:21:25,344 --> 00:21:30,904 Speaker 2: coming to make on that album. Well that's not that's 268 00:21:30,984 --> 00:21:34,704 Speaker 2: not very bad luck. And I'm that kind of person. 269 00:21:35,104 --> 00:21:38,024 Speaker 2: I won't go, Okay, God, I going to rethink this. 270 00:21:39,064 --> 00:21:42,704 Speaker 2: If I'm going somewhere, then I'm going I've noticed that 271 00:21:42,824 --> 00:21:46,224 Speaker 2: about me. I'd like to stick to the plan, so 272 00:21:46,384 --> 00:21:49,464 Speaker 2: then I actually deal with this in my mind. So 273 00:21:49,584 --> 00:21:54,064 Speaker 2: I just thought, well, screw you, I'm going to make 274 00:21:54,144 --> 00:21:59,384 Speaker 2: this the best raffle I've made to date since leaving 275 00:21:59,424 --> 00:22:05,384 Speaker 2: the Beatles. Before Welcome, I got Denny guitar, got Linda 276 00:22:05,584 --> 00:22:12,464 Speaker 2: both us, Denny vocals, me vocals. I'll drun right. I've 277 00:22:12,544 --> 00:22:39,664 Speaker 2: drunk a lot anywhere. It was crazy. These circumstances were 278 00:22:39,824 --> 00:22:43,464 Speaker 2: just wild. I think anybody else might have given up 279 00:22:43,984 --> 00:22:47,984 Speaker 2: because the studio was only half built and we had 280 00:22:48,064 --> 00:22:53,464 Speaker 2: to figure it all out. But I had Danny Lyndon myself. 281 00:22:53,744 --> 00:22:56,624 Speaker 2: I had Jeff Emeric, who's the People's engineer. 282 00:22:57,584 --> 00:23:01,424 Speaker 1: Late one night, as Paul and Linda were walking in 283 00:23:01,544 --> 00:23:03,784 Speaker 1: an area of time they had been told to avoid, 284 00:23:04,384 --> 00:23:07,624 Speaker 1: some men hopped out of a car and mugged them 285 00:23:07,904 --> 00:23:11,264 Speaker 1: at knife point. They stole a couple of Linda's cameras, 286 00:23:11,784 --> 00:23:18,144 Speaker 1: some unfinished lyrics and the demo tips for the upcoming album. 287 00:23:18,464 --> 00:23:20,984 Speaker 2: We've been walk what we did to listen because we 288 00:23:21,064 --> 00:23:25,464 Speaker 2: were just for others, so we just were walking later 289 00:23:25,624 --> 00:23:27,824 Speaker 2: now where we've been told not to walk. 290 00:23:28,984 --> 00:23:33,824 Speaker 1: So in terms of reconstructing, if you have to go 291 00:23:33,944 --> 00:23:37,424 Speaker 1: back to if not Square won something akin to it. 292 00:23:38,224 --> 00:23:42,544 Speaker 2: We remember them well enough. I'm sure I had the 293 00:23:42,664 --> 00:23:47,664 Speaker 2: lyrics somewhat. We always think the guys your native was 294 00:23:47,744 --> 00:23:50,944 Speaker 2: like five Legos calls were so they would have re 295 00:23:50,944 --> 00:23:57,944 Speaker 2: recorded over them some decent music Africa or just chucked 296 00:23:57,984 --> 00:23:59,424 Speaker 2: them away as robbish. 297 00:24:00,104 --> 00:24:03,384 Speaker 1: The band's trip to Legos, what with the half finished 298 00:24:03,424 --> 00:24:08,664 Speaker 1: studio and the unexpected mugging, wasn't quite what McCartney had imagined. 299 00:24:09,264 --> 00:24:12,424 Speaker 1: When Paul and Linda returned to England, they found a 300 00:24:12,584 --> 00:24:15,504 Speaker 1: letter at their home from the e m I chairman 301 00:24:16,024 --> 00:24:18,824 Speaker 1: warning them not to go to Legos because of a 302 00:24:18,944 --> 00:24:22,744 Speaker 1: cholera outbreak. The letter had arrived after they had left. 303 00:24:22,984 --> 00:24:26,424 Speaker 2: Yeah, looking back on exters like that, you block out 304 00:24:26,504 --> 00:24:30,224 Speaker 2: all the worst stuff and you remember all. 305 00:24:30,224 --> 00:24:49,064 Speaker 1: Piclso despite the recording conditions, Band on the Run was 306 00:24:49,224 --> 00:24:54,144 Speaker 1: a runaway success. Upon the release of the album, Wings 307 00:24:54,224 --> 00:24:58,224 Speaker 1: became more secure, not just as a follow up band 308 00:24:58,304 --> 00:25:02,384 Speaker 1: to the Beatles, but as a significant musical group in 309 00:25:02,464 --> 00:25:05,944 Speaker 1: their own right. The song band on the Run was 310 00:25:06,024 --> 00:25:08,984 Speaker 1: one of Wings's first hits, topping the charts at numb 311 00:25:09,144 --> 00:25:12,544 Speaker 1: were one in America a number three in the UK. 312 00:25:13,224 --> 00:25:17,104 Speaker 2: I was talking to a journalist once about Sergeant Pepper, 313 00:25:17,704 --> 00:25:20,384 Speaker 2: going on about it as if he must admire it, 314 00:25:20,984 --> 00:25:22,544 Speaker 2: and he said, we'll tell you the truth. He said, 315 00:25:22,584 --> 00:25:24,824 Speaker 2: it was a band on the run for me. It's 316 00:25:24,904 --> 00:25:29,064 Speaker 2: more my generation of the run was his Sergeant Pepper, right. 317 00:25:29,344 --> 00:25:32,824 Speaker 2: So I suddenly realized, oh yeah, And that has proved 318 00:25:32,864 --> 00:25:37,904 Speaker 2: to be a very interesting fact over the years, that 319 00:25:38,024 --> 00:25:41,784 Speaker 2: there are some people who actually like what I did 320 00:25:41,904 --> 00:25:47,064 Speaker 2: with Wings better than the Beatles. There are some people 321 00:25:47,744 --> 00:25:51,784 Speaker 2: whose first thing they ever heard was, you know, a 322 00:25:51,864 --> 00:25:55,944 Speaker 2: band on the run or jet or something that we 323 00:25:56,064 --> 00:26:00,104 Speaker 2: did with Wings, and I think for them that means 324 00:26:00,144 --> 00:26:03,144 Speaker 2: a lot. They have a special affection for that. 325 00:26:05,464 --> 00:26:20,344 Speaker 1: He The success of Wings was a testament to McCartney's 326 00:26:20,664 --> 00:26:25,424 Speaker 1: entrepreneurial spirit, as well as his willingness to deviate from 327 00:26:25,584 --> 00:26:27,584 Speaker 1: rules and expectations. 328 00:26:31,584 --> 00:26:38,624 Speaker 3: You're it sounds a lot about you. 329 00:26:39,304 --> 00:26:44,784 Speaker 2: I think that you're relating to well to borrow a 330 00:26:44,904 --> 00:26:49,144 Speaker 2: phrase from Yets sort of more naked. You know. I mean, 331 00:26:49,224 --> 00:26:51,984 Speaker 2: you didn't have to do that, right, you really did know. 332 00:26:52,504 --> 00:26:57,024 Speaker 2: It also says I'm mad, but that is right. I 333 00:26:57,104 --> 00:27:00,144 Speaker 2: could think of other ways to do it, but I 334 00:27:00,224 --> 00:27:05,064 Speaker 2: didn't like them, and so the only other rules not 335 00:27:05,224 --> 00:27:09,544 Speaker 2: do it. Okay, I'll do this way because I like it. 336 00:27:11,464 --> 00:27:15,184 Speaker 2: It's probably a good way because we will learn, we 337 00:27:15,224 --> 00:27:19,664 Speaker 2: will develop. By the time we're ready, we'll be pretty good, 338 00:27:20,584 --> 00:27:23,984 Speaker 2: and we'll have had some success with records here and 339 00:27:24,064 --> 00:27:27,344 Speaker 2: there and never So it was seventy sixth when we 340 00:27:27,424 --> 00:27:31,584 Speaker 2: finally had Band on Us a big record. We then 341 00:27:31,864 --> 00:27:35,184 Speaker 2: toured properly as Wings. 342 00:27:50,864 --> 00:27:51,544 Speaker 6: That time. 343 00:28:14,264 --> 00:28:18,184 Speaker 1: Band on the Run the title track from Wings nineteen 344 00:28:18,264 --> 00:28:22,144 Speaker 1: seventy three album in the next episode. 345 00:28:22,784 --> 00:28:23,424 Speaker 5: Thanks. 346 00:28:29,984 --> 00:28:30,624 Speaker 6: Its Well. 347 00:28:30,784 --> 00:28:40,304 Speaker 1: Seal Maxwell's Silver Hammer, a cheerful song about a serial 348 00:28:40,424 --> 00:29:00,504 Speaker 1: killer inspired by an obscure French avant garde play McCartney 349 00:29:00,824 --> 00:29:04,864 Speaker 1: A Life in Lyrics is a co production between iHeartMedia, 350 00:29:05,424 --> 00:29:08,144 Speaker 1: NPL and Pushkin Industries.