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Speaker 1: Ron An aian.

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Speaker 2: You ever noticed like you're watching a sporting mit a

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Speaker 2: baseball game, and it's kind of boring at times, right,

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Speaker 2: Not every second of every minute of every hour of

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Speaker 2: a sporting event is like oh, right on the edge

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Speaker 2: of your seat, like it's just works right.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of like that in a repair shop.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm ready today.

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Speaker 1: Look me six the car doctor.

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Speaker 4: They told me that maybe I could drive it until

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Speaker 4: it gets cold and then change it. What's your recommendation?

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Speaker 3: How old's the battery, Sandy, it's.

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Speaker 4: The original battery. The car is a twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Without even testing it, I would tell you to change it.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the radio home of ron Anian the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 1: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the

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Speaker 1: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair.

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Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up

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Speaker 1: the phone and call in. The garage doors.

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Speaker 3: Are open, but I am. I'm here to take your

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Speaker 3: call at eight five five five six ninety nine hundred

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Speaker 3: and now good luck counting on you.

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Speaker 3: If you walk away with one thing out of this

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Speaker 3: radio show today, I want it to be the word battery.

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Speaker 3: I want you to think long and hard about your

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Speaker 3: batteries and in your vehicles, and you know how they operate,

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Speaker 3: and how old are they and what you're planning to

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Speaker 3: get out of them. Batteries are the focal point for

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Speaker 3: today and for the immediate future going forward, because we're

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Speaker 3: going to try and pound this note home time and

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Speaker 3: time again. Seeing a lot of issues with batteries of late,

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Speaker 3: a lot of reading in the industry that's telling me

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Speaker 3: batteries are going to begin, if not already, having a

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Speaker 3: shorter life cycle. And it's all based upon the amount

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Speaker 3: of electronics on the vehicle. It's all based upon you know,

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Speaker 3: what we're cycling and putting that vehicle through on a

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Speaker 3: regular basis. We had a situation this week at the shop.

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Speaker 3: at Dodge Ram Ram Who are stilanthus, okay, whoever you

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Speaker 3: want to consider as the manufacturer of that vehicle, and

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Speaker 3: it was da It was dead on arrival. It was

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Speaker 3: towed in. We found it there Tuesday morning and it

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Speaker 3: had a dead battery. Went through did the usual due

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Speaker 3: diligence of testing, you know, obviously charged the battery initial

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Speaker 3: test walking up to the truck, the battery had three

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Speaker 3: and a quarter vaults in it. That's a pretty dead battery.

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Speaker 3: Now we were able to jump start it, put a

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Speaker 3: we fixed the flat tire that the Toe company had.

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Speaker 3: They had popped the beat on the tire towing it

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Speaker 3: out of the guy's driveway, which is that's a whole

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Speaker 3: nother story they actually did. I think they did more

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Speaker 3: damage to the truck than the vehicle would be from

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Speaker 3: just driving on New Jersey roads. But bad Toe company,

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Speaker 3: and about our one about our testing found that this

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Speaker 3: three and a quarter vault battery standing voltage when we

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Speaker 3: have to charge a battery to test it. You know,

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Speaker 3: did the did the battery go dead from a drug?

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Speaker 3: Did the battery go dead because the battery itself as

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Speaker 3: it fault? Did the customer leave something on you know,

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Speaker 3: there's a couple of half a dozen questions there you've

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Speaker 3: got to answer. It took the better part of six

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Speaker 3: and a half hours to charge this battery. And you know,

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Speaker 3: there's no there's no scientific timeline, there's nothing that says, hey,

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Speaker 3: every battery should charge in two hours, every battery should

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Speaker 3: charge in three hours. But I've always had the experience

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Speaker 3: on a battery that takes a very long time to

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Speaker 3: charge to cycle back up, that battery is probably a problem. Now,

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Speaker 3: what really peaked my curiosity with this vehicle was the

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Speaker 3: just over two years old. It was like two years

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Speaker 3: and two months old. Chrystler gives a one year warranty

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Speaker 3: on their batteries, and in doing some research and talking

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Speaker 3: conversation centered around it's probably a bad battery. And of

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Speaker 3: had that conversation. Evidently, Chrysler, like any company, right, they're

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Speaker 3: just they're just a manufacturer with vendors, had some battery

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Speaker 3: the bench. The battery test did good Tuesday night at

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Speaker 3: five o'clock, passed every low test I could think of

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Speaker 3: giving it, and came in Wednesday morning. I just wanted

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Speaker 3: a standing voltage of five and a half vaults. That

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Speaker 3: battery had an internal problem. That battery had an internal short,

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Speaker 3: you know, and the negative terminal was corroded. And that

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Speaker 3: gassing like that? Why is it leaking after being two

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Speaker 3: been reading and thinking and feeling. And then I went

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Speaker 3: to class Thursday night. Thursday night we had, or Wednesday

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Speaker 3: night we had we had the computer class. Automotive Training

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Speaker 3: Group was putting on a class here in New Jersey

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Speaker 3: sitting there talking about batteries and the strengths of batteries,

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Speaker 3: and the consensus among the group and the class, including

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Speaker 3: the instructor, was three years. That we're seeing three to

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Speaker 3: four year life cycles on batteries, and that's all that

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Speaker 3: we're getting out of them, depending upon the vehicle, depending

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Speaker 3: vehicle or whatever they're in is driven. I want you

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Speaker 3: to think about batteries. I think batteries has to be

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Speaker 3: the cold. Although more batteries fail and warm than than cold,

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Speaker 3: in my opinion, I see that on a much greater basis.

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Speaker 3: But I want you to think about, you know, the

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get listened. We had a phone call

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Speaker 3: Why why test the system like that. You know, I

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Speaker 3: I know some people don't. You know. It's you know,

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Speaker 3: I think all the batteries are made the same too.

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Speaker 3: I think that's another thing. It's, you know, there's only

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Speaker 3: now I think there's only two battery manufacturers in the country.

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Speaker 3: They're making all the batteries for everybody, and they're just

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Speaker 3: everybody likes Delco one week, everybody likes Interstate. One week,

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Speaker 3: And one of the reasons to think I like about

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Speaker 3: And that's important too. So just just think batteries, think

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Speaker 3: something from a mechanic that you've got a relationship with,

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Speaker 3: because if they can bend the rules a little bit,

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Speaker 3: So it's just it's just very very important in any event.

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Speaker 3: the phone number here is eight five five five six

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Speaker 3: don't be afraid. You know, we've actually got some We've

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Speaker 3: on last week's show, The twenty seventeen christ Or PACIFICA

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Speaker 3: talks about it shows you know, how this vehicle was told,

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Speaker 3: speed sensors. And it's definitive. It's right there. The wires

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Speaker 3: You know, Hyundai's still have the Hyundai's key is still

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Speaker 3: and they're setting knock sensor faults. And how different This

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Speaker 3: And then the engine was done, and then they were

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Speaker 3: with with you know, self cleaning injectors. They roll a

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Speaker 6: Ron? Thanks? The little I know about electricity and cars

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Speaker 3: Failing well about let me let me, let me, let

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Speaker 6: So I went to this other dealer that does the

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Speaker 6: The bigger issues I haven't gotten to yet?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, i'll tell you.

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Speaker 3: You've got a minute, John, because we're going to go

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Speaker 6: It showed normal bolded battery has tested normal.

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Speaker 6: And the big issue I've got is ac Delco doesn't

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what, John, Sit tight, Let me

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Speaker 3: run a naming in the card doctor. Phone number here

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Speaker 3: the air, Executive producer, Chief cook and bottle washer Tom Ray,

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Speaker 3: Let's go back to John and Michigan and John you're

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Speaker 3: still there, sir, okay, yeah, so good tell me so.

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Speaker 3: So what you're saying is they're selling you a battery

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Speaker 6: It says eight eight, which what I found on Google,

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Speaker 6: And I these batteries weren't halfway to the to their

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Speaker 6: it didn't run the accessories, especially the dashboard it did.

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Speaker 3: Can we back up a second here, John, First of all,

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Speaker 3: I think you got to verify the date code. I

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Speaker 5: All right, And what I will do is google is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna find I'm gonna no, I'm gonna find

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Speaker 3: and I'm gonna find out regardless, John, John, let me

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Speaker 3: they sell you an AC Delco battery. First of all,

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Speaker 3: I don't believe AC Delco batteries are re manufactured. They're

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Speaker 6: Do you know? I can't remember the one that's gone.

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Speaker 6: This one has a four year I'd have to dig

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, if it's a if it's a If it's

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Speaker 3: it's three year free replacement. From my understanding with AC Delco,

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Speaker 3: but the battery does have to test bad. Part of

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Speaker 3: the problem here, frankly, is the repair shops, you know,

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Speaker 3: And maybe they don't want to, maybe they're just, you

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Speaker 3: on price. Go find a repair shop that will diagnose

431
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 3: the actual problem and fix the dashboard. Yes, a low

432
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 3: charged or a low state of charge battery will cause

433
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 3: electrical gremlins and problems, but you have to prove that

434
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 3: you have one, and nobody's proved it yet. And before

435
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 3: we just sit here and continue to point the finger

436
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 3: at Delco or the manufacturer or whoever it is, let's

437
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 3: do a diagnosis. Has anybody diagnosed why the dashboard is

438
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 3: not lighting up and not working like it's supposed to?

439
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 3: And that's really what this comes back to, doesn't.

440
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:44,360
Speaker 6: It is the first time it got better when they

441
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 6: gave me another battery, which now lastedest nine to eighteen months.

442
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 3: And what if that was coincidence before? Because you know what, John,

443
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 3: you know what, You know what you're encroaching on, all right,

444
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 3: and listen, it would have been easier for me to

445
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 3: cut you off right and hang up on you. I'm

446
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 3: trying to help help you, okay, And I hope you

447
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 3: see that what this is encroaching on is every blue

448
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 3: car gets three lugnuts, because that's what goes bad on

449
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 3: every blue car, all right. I'm not saying it's not

450
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 3: I'm not saying the battery isn't the cause of the

451
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 3: dashboard problem. What I'm saying is nobody's diagnosed this problem.

452
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 3: We're going on assumption based on what the cheapest repair

453
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 3: shop that doesn't charge for a test has to say.

454
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 3: Nobody's done a formal diagnosis. If the dash cluster isn't working,

455
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: all right, we've got to do some testing to find

456
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 3: out why. And if part of that testing is to

457
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 3: install a different battery just to see what effects voltage

458
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 3: might have on it. If part of that diagnosis is

459
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 3: to do a ripple test on the alternator to see

460
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 3: that it's not leaking ac all right from a bad diode,

461
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 3: If part of that testing is load testing grounds and

462
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 3: verifying powers and pinning out the cluster. So be it,

463
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 3: but it can't be the last time we put a

464
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 3: battery in the cart solved the problem for nine months,

465
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 3: and now it works. You know what I'm saying that

466
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 3: just there's no logic there. We're gonna we're gonna chase

467
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 3: our tail, and I know you don't want to do that.

468
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 3: Does that make sense to you?

469
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 6: You misunderstood me. I had the same thing happen with

470
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 6: the second battery after nine months, in the first one,

471
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 6: after maybe ten, but this one in hot weather. The

472
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 6: O don't want in cold weather, and they tested normal

473
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 6: before that. And the only thing that they did this

474
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,239
Speaker 6: last time is the guy, the serviceman told me they

475
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 6: disconnected it and hooked it up again, and it's back.

476
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 6: And yes, I was about to be charged one hundred

477
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 6: and seventy dollars for a more detailed diagnosis, and and

478
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 6: if I had gone to a dishonor shop, I would

479
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 6: have been looking at Big Bucks for a dashboard or

480
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 6: something that was unrelated.

481
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 5: But anyway, but you still don't know, John, You still John,

482
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 5: you still don't know that the battery is what caused

483
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 5: the dashboard to fail. You still don't have proof of that,

484
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 5: all right, because nobody's finished diagnosing why the dashboard's gone dark. Listen, brother,

485
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 5: think what you want, all right, I've i gotta tell you,

486
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 5: and I'm not here to do a commercial for Delco.

487
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 5: I've been selling them for years. I find no problems

488
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 5: with a warranty or in exchange program. I find them

489
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 5: to be very upfront and you know, here's what works,

490
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 5: here's what doesn't work. But I think you need to

491
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 5: find a repair shop, get that problem diagnosed, and if

492
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 5: it comes back to a battery, okay, then you've got

493
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 5: to ask yourself, find out the daycode and why is

494
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 5: that battery being sold like it is.

495
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: Good luck to you, kiddo. I'm ronning any and the

496
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 3: Car Doctor. We're back right after this lago modi jama,

497
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 3: welcome back. Let's uh, let's move on. Let's go to

498
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 3: Larry in Oregon. Larry, welcome to the Car Doctor, sir.

499
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 3: How can I help?

500
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, Yes, I actually owned two of the cars

501
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 4: that you were talking about about three weeks ago, and

502
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,479
Speaker 4: I guess my question first is about the two thousand

503
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 4: and two ty Bird that I purchased at will Ford

504
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 4: and Lygitwo in North Dakota. I brought it and neew

505
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,719
Speaker 4: I have eight thousand miles on it. And I did

506
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 4: have a problem with the fuel pump last year. It

507
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 4: went out and I could get the original one from Ford.

508
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 4: But you said you were stockpiling parts for the Thunderbird.

509
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 4: You guys purchased. What parts are you stockpiling?

510
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sort of. I have an advantage in that

511
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: I worked on that car since day one, so I

512
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: know what's been changed and I know what's not been

513
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 3: changed in the sense that and that car did take

514
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 3: a fuel pump at the forty thousand mile mark, but

515
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 3: at the time when it had forty thousand miles on it,

516
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 3: you were able to buy a pump from Ford. So

517
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 3: I feel your pain, brother, I went through that.

518
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 5: I'm doing.

519
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 3: I'm doing some of the things like the three way

520
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 3: water valve. That vehicle has a water valve underhood that

521
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 3: will that's how they control temperature. That's how they regulate temperature.

522
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 3: It's not done by blendors. There's there's five heater hoses

523
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: coming in and out of this octopus looking valve on

524
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 3: the right rear side of the engine compartment. They were

525
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: known to fail. You know, some of the other things

526
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: I would normally have done by now, but they were

527
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 3: already were done under the previous owner was valve cover gaskets,

528
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: valve cover gaskets, and coils. The coils were notorious for

529
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 3: failing on those or if I hadn't changed them once,

530
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 3: I'd probably have another set on the shelf. And to

531
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 3: tell you the truth, I'm thinking about putting a set

532
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 3: on the shelf. Well, I can still get them from

533
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 3: four because the coils when they went bad, would cause

534
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 3: all sorts of crazy false erratic codes. There was. It

535
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: was an ac leakage problem on the data lines, and

536
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 3: you would see all kinds of phony. You get nintended

537
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 3: acceleration from a bad ignition oil.

538
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 4: How many coils are there? How many? Eight?

539
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 6: Did you purchase all.

540
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 4: Eight of them?

541
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: No?

542
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 3: I will when I when I get around to it. Yeah,

543
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if the top of my head,

544
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 3: you know, one hundred, one hundred and fifty bucks piece.

545
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, you'll have close to one thousand

546
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 3: dollars sitting on the shelf. You know. The water valve,

547
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 3: the water valve, the water valve that we found from

548
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: a dealer down in Texas. The water valve is four

549
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 3: hundred dollars. I'm still waiting for it to show up,

550
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: you know, I'm looking at stockpiling. I'd like to have

551
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 3: a set of door handles. The interior door handles were

552
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 3: prone to braking. They can't be found anywhere, and nobody

553
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 3: remanufactures them. Nobody has them, you know, in stock So

554
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure what would happen. The problem with

555
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: that car, the two to five Birds, was it was

556
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: a concoction between Ford Motor Company and Volva, and there

557
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 3: was a third company involved, and escapes my mind at

558
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: the moment who is the third party? But one of

559
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 3: them desired to drive train, one of them designed the body,

560
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: and then the other one designed the rest of the

561
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 3: vehicle at the convertible top. That's what it was, and

562
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's it's.

563
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 4: Interesting if you're aware of this. But when I purchased

564
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 4: the car, they had a collection of five different things

565
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 4: that you could purchase from the dealer and I had

566
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 4: to call the dealer to do this cost me two

567
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 4: hundred dollars and they were sent to me each month,

568
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 4: and they were a collection about the Thunderbird car and

569
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 4: I still I have those yet, and I think only

570
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 4: two hundred people got them.

571
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: What do you mean the collection about the Thunderbird car?

572
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: What like the details about the history of the Thunderbird.

573
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 4: Ford Ford produced a collection that you could purchase about

574
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 4: the Thunderbird and they came in five different mailings and

575
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 4: each one, like one of them was bookends with opera

576
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 4: windows in it, and then model cars and so on

577
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 4: and so on. But each one of the collection had

578
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 4: a book with the color of the five colors they

579
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 4: produced in two thousand and two, which was standard was white, red,

580
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 4: and black, and I have Thunderbird blue and they made yellow.

581
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 4: So anyway, there was a book about the car in

582
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 4: each one. Anyway, it's just something.

583
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting, what what what color is your car? Larry?

584
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 4: It's Thunderbird blue?

585
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, no, this one and I ordered.

586
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 4: It, right, I got it from didn't know he was

587
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 4: getting one, right. I called him a year before it

588
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 4: came out and he said I'm getting one. I said, yes,

589
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 4: he's a little dealer with with nine hundred people in

590
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 4: the town.

591
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: So anyway, yeah, no, there they're neat cars. You know

592
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: what it's it's a very enjoyable vehicle to drive. And

593
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 3: you know there is stuff out there, you just have

594
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: to go looking. But there's just certain things that I

595
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: want to have on hand. The way I look at

596
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: it as if I have a couple of bucks in

597
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 3: parts sitting on a shelf. You know it's they'll they'll

598
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: never go bad.

599
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 5: So I wrote all those down that you told me.

600
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 4: So I'm reprepared, yep.

601
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: So.

602
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: But anyway, that's what else can I do for you?

603
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 3: Larry's or something else.

604
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 4: That's that's it. And of course you talked about the

605
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 4: Toyota XS and the battery. Probably guy had it. I

606
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 4: have the same car and mine did the same thing.

607
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 4: After a year the battery it wouldn't start, and the

608
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 4: roadside service said it, I think it's a bad sudden.

609
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 4: They started with a battery pack, took it to the dealer,

610
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 4: and of course the battery checked out good, and I said, well,

611
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 4: I'm not buying that. Put in a seven year battery.

612
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 4: I'll pay for it, and they sold it to me

613
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 4: a dealer, not dealer cost employee costs one hundred and

614
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 4: sixty bucks. I don't know if I it was worth it,

615
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 4: but I don't want to take a chance at it

616
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: won't start someplace.

617
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: Batteries are so critical, you know, real quick before I go.

618
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: It used to be that during cranking, when you're starting

619
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 3: the vehicle. It used to be the accepted number was

620
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 3: about nine point two vaults. Anything less than nine point

621
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: two vaults during a crank, and depending upon the vehicle,

622
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: the age, you know, what engine, and so forth, you

623
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: could see battery voltage dipped down on an older battery.

624
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: In extreme cold weather nine point two vaults. Less than that,

625
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: the vehicle may not start because the onboard computers would

626
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: shut down. They get to nine vaults eight point zero

627
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: something like that, it's not enough to activate the computer

628
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: to wake it up, to get it to do its job.

629
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: This week I learned having gone to class, and the

630
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: new number is eleven point three in some vehicles, so almost,

631
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 3: you know, almost just a tad over eleven vaults on cranking,

632
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 3: and that vehicle may not start. So that vehicle has

633
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: got eleven volts in it, it may not start. And

634
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 3: that's just mind boggling to me. We are so dependent

635
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: upon having a good battery in a vehicle. That something

636
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: something I learned a long time ago about there's nothing

637
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: like a real solid battery at two in the morning,

638
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: it still rings true, Larry, I gotta run. I appreciate

639
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: the conversation. Good luck with your bird. If your fine

640
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: parts give me a call, I may, I may go

641
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: in with you and I will buy a pile. I'm

642
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: running ay in the car, doctor, I'll be back right

643
00:32:45,560 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 3: after this. Hey, welcome back, running in the car. I

644
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: want to go back to John, all right, And I

645
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: don't want to just glosse over this, you know. Research.

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Speaker 3: Kathy just shot me a text. She said, yes, in

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Speaker 3: a Delko battery it is month and year. So month

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Speaker 3: and year. If that battery does have a date code

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Speaker 3: ending in seven, then that battery was from twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: I kind of got a hard time believing that that

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Speaker 3: just and I'm not saying it isn't just something there

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Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense. My point of all this is

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Speaker 3: all right before we go down that dark road, is

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Speaker 3: if you think you're having a problem, you can't solve

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Speaker 3: a problem in most cases without a diagnosis. It's just

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Speaker 3: that important, all right, because otherwise we're going to start

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00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: to fall into well, every car we had before this

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Speaker 3: that did this, we changed that and it worked. Cars

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00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 3: have gotten so complicated, cars have gotten so technical, that

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Speaker 3: you're going to see. They're continuing to evolve and become

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Speaker 3: that much more electronic based in electronic laden And you know,

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Speaker 3: I just read yesterday that in California they're talking about

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Speaker 3: mandating signing into law. I think it's on Governor Newsom's death.

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Speaker 3: We're in California beginning model year twenty thirty, the vehicle

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Speaker 3: is going to emit a warning sound if you're exceeding

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Speaker 3: the speed limit. Think about that. Think of the electronics

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Speaker 3: required to do that. Yeah, I know it's a line

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Speaker 3: of software code right that they can do that, But

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Speaker 3: they're going to drive everything by electronics. If we don't

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Speaker 3: learn how to diagnose what we're working on today, we're

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Speaker 3: not going to be able to diagnose what comes out tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: And we're going to continue to guess and we're going

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Speaker 3: to continue to poke and hope and maybe get nowhere.

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Speaker 3: So I applaud everybody's efforts. John. I feel you're paying buddy,

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Speaker 3: but I think you got to get a repair shop

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Speaker 3: that diagnose that, a good repair shop, and maintain a

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Speaker 3: relationship with them going forward, because having a good relationship

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Speaker 3: with a mechanic is going to be just as important

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Speaker 3: it it already is just as important as a good doctor.

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Speaker 3: Just my two cents, I'm on an ady and the

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Speaker 3: car doctor, and as always I'm going to remind you

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Speaker 3: good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless.

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Speaker 4: See you, s