WEBVTT - Stan Lynch 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:13.480 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to Bob Leftste's podcast. My guest 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:20.040 today is drummer, songwriter producer Stan Lynch. Stan, you have 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.520 a new band, speaker wars. Why a band? Why? 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:27.840 Now? You know I'd have to go to therapy to 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:30.560 figure that one out. But I think it was just 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.159 the time was right to play. And I think a 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:36.519 wise man once said to me, while you can and 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:42.400 still want to, you should. So I'm enjoying being in 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:45.600 a group. And I love the guy that my partnered with, 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.720 this guy John Christopher Davis. He's great and he's the 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:53.080 one who sort of talked me into it. How do 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:56.200 you know this gentleman, Stan who John? 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.280 Yeah? 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:03.000 We met on a blind date in Nashville, Tennessee. We 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:07.200 were both staff writers at the time different publishing companies, 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:14.240 and John was being groomed to become a country star, 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.240 if you will. We got together to write songs and 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:22.320 bonded instantly over old rock and roll and gospel and 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.040 all kinds of cool stuff. We'd both just have the 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:29.600 same north Star. And then they I got asked to 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:33.479 produce his record and went in and the first thing 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:37.720 that happened was they played us both five songs that 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:39.880 we had never heard of, and we'd been writing for 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:45.160 his album. They played us these five Puppy Mill Nashville 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.680 songs that were just horrible, and they said these are 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.640 going to be your first five and I remember, without 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:52.720 missing a beat, I didn't know you couldn't say this, 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.760 but I said, these songs are horrible. Why would we 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:57.880 cut Why would we cut these when John is such 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:01.520 a good writer. Well, I didn't know it, but we 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:06.320 were both fired right then, instantly, And on the way 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.640 out the parking lot, I was walking out and I thought, well, 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:10.600 this guy's gonna kick my ass. He's gonna hate me 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:13.600 forgetting his ass fired. And I'm walking to my car 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.280 and I hear it, you know, hey Lynch, And I'm thinking, 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:18.560 oh great, this is where it ends. And he runs 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:20.200 out and gives me a big hug and he said, 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.519 thank you man. He goes nobody's ever stood up for 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.520 me like that, and and he just gave me this 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:28.760 big hug, and I went like, God, this guy's got soul. 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:34.239 You know, he's got soul. And that kept the relationship going. 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.520 It started there. We started his buds and I love 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.640 the way he saying, you know, I'm a sucker for 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:42.280 a guy who can sing. You know, as from a 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:46.160 drummer's point of view, there's nothing more important than a 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.360 singer that will set you up, you know that you 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.800 want to set up. And he he, he made me 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:55.960 feel good, you know, listening to him sing. So that's 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:57.000 that's the story. 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:01.440 Tell me about you said up a singer and a 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:02.880 singer setting up the drummer. 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:10.040 Well, and for me, this isn't every drummer, but for me, 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:16.320 it was always about the vocal, like I was playing 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:20.480 with it, playing around it, toying with it, trying to 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:25.040 be inspiring and being inspired. And that was what was 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:29.800 so wonderful about my old band was that Tom would 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.200 sing every take in the studio if we if we 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:37.119 cut sixty takes, that guy was at the mic sixty times. 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:42.760 And that's kind of unheard of nowadays. But back then 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:46.640 we were either so unsophisticated and didn't know any better, 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:48.960 or that was just what we wanted to do. We 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:52.520 wanted to be a performing band, and even in the 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:56.080 studio we were performing. So that to me is if 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.560 you know, I would work around the vocal. I never 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:01.760 really knew what my drum part was going to be. 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.080 Till I heard the singer. 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:10.800 Okay playing live. Now, there are some drummers who wear headphones. 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.480 Things are different today within ears, but back in the seventies, 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.400 could you even hear the vocal to play along with it? 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.880 We could once we had monitors, yeah, and that there 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:25.479 were some unsung heroes in the band. You know, everybody 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.680 thinks of like a band as they there's five guys 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:31.840 or whatever, but there's so many. It takes a village 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:34.240 to make a great rock and roll band. And we 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:39.960 had this guy, Davey Bryson, who was a monitor man. 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.560 And as soon as we could get a monitor guy, 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.720 he was on stage with us. I mean, I can't 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.120 He was as close as the bass player to me, 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.280 and he was part of the show. And you could 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.039 give him the little look with your upper lip that 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:58.279 said I need more vocal or But yeah, as soon 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:03.360 as we were a tour ring band of any whatever 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.760 you want to call it, of any statulate bird, yes, 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.200 we had a monitor guy who was second to none, 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.240 and so yeah, I could hear that. I could definitely 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:17.320 have Petty was Yeah, that would be the number one 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:18.159 thing I needed to hear. 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:23.479 Okay, So you met John how many years ago. 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:28.920 Man, it's I couldn't put the date down, but it's 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:32.360 probably been a good eighteen to twenty. 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.440 Maybe, So why a band? 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:34.920 Now? 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:45.200 Why not? Okay? The record is very straight ahead rock 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:50.120 and roll. Okay, there's a ballad that I've heard that 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.600 could go, as we say in the old days, to 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.640 different formats. But what I mean, you know, radios other 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.719 than country doesn't really mean that much traditional radio. But 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.120 you have a band. I'll just put it straight. The 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.320 record's great, but it's out of sync with what's going 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:12.200 on in the world at large. So how do you 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:13.080 beat the system? 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:18.520 Well, that's a two part. You made a statement and 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:23.400 then asked a question. It's out of sink, thank god, 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.360 because I'm out of sink. My whole life has been 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.839 out of sink. I wouldn't know if bell bottoms are in. 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.640 I wouldn't know if synthesizers are in. I wouldn't know 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:39.160 what's in. I've never known, and it's been the ultimate blessing. 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:42.240 So let me address that. And then the question was 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:43.560 I forget. 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.040 Well, you know you're going well and you've got a 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.520 great memory, and you can play back pretty well. But 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.840 you answered the first half. But the decision to actually 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.919 do it, And what are your thoughts in terms of, 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:57.880 you know, getting it out to the world. 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:01.480 Oh yeah, okay, right, Well, let me first and foremost 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:07.080 say I have extremely managed expectation. My goal, if there 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.680 is one, is I'd like John to be heard because 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.600 I think he's a cool singer and I think he's 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:16.360 a cool dude. And I would like to be able 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:25.040 to play live with guys that can play and play 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:30.160 songs that I was part of molding and creating because 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.920 I don't really want to be in a cover band 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.920 and I was never worth a shit as a hired gun. 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:40.520 I couldn't play anybody's charts but my own. And so 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.120 what do I hope will happen? Maybe is hey, I 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:46.560 hope it gets heard, and I hope you get a 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.200 shot at playing some live gigs because it'd be a 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:49.760 lot of fun. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:54.760 Okay, live is where the money is today, and also 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.120 with this kind of music, live is the best way 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.920 to break it at this age, with this experience. How 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:02.119 much you're willing to work. 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.880 I like work, I enjoy it. This isn't work, this 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.920 is this has been my church. Like the last thing 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.240 I remembered, I was fifteen years old, I was working 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.640 at McDonald's. That was the last time I had a 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.240 job where I remembered kind of dreading going to work. 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:24.880 And after that it was like, shit, this is this 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:28.720 is ah, this is just what I get to do. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:34.680 And I'm when presented with a possibility of playing, I 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:38.360 would play. And how much is my willing to work. 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:42.520 I'm willing to wear my balls down to a nub 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:43.280 if it's fun. 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.960 Okay, if I say you're gonna play thirty dates in 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:50.520 thirty five days, I mean, you might have a couple 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.719 of questions, but you're gonna say no way, Are You're 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.040 gonna say, oh, okay, let me hear the details. I 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:55.480 could do that. 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.200 I'd probably go, that's a lot of gigs in a 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.359 short number of days, but let me hear the details. 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.160 You know, if if it's not oppressive, or the travels 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:12.560 not odious, or the everybody's got a good way of 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:14.800 doing it, I would I would question the thirty five 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.160 what was it thirty and thirty five days? 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.480 Something that was like yeah, yeah, yeah, I. 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.839 Would go, like, could be tough. At the same time, 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:25.280 I'd go, I'd have to once again, I'd ask my singer, 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:27.439 how many times can you walk up to the mic 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:31.360 and do this before dust comes flying out of your throat. 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:31.720 You know. 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.080 Okay, is it just the two of you or is 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:36.000 it really a band? 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:38.960 It's really a band now. It started with the two 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:44.040 we added over time. Well, John had a band in Texas, 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:47.440 so we took the pick of the litter from his 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.360 group and we found a couple other guys that I 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:55.000 really liked. I've got a really good We wanted good singers. 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:57.800 That was really important to me that we had guys 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:02.960 that can really sing. So we kind of handpicked and 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:04.480 we got a band. 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:11.120 Okay, he was in Texas. He's not a household name. No, 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:13.520 was he earning a living playing music? 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:19.600 Yes, good question. He's well, he's kind of an entrepreneurial 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:26.520 guy and he owns a I got the what do 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.080 you call it when lone star attitude. He's got a 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:35.199 whole marketing thing that supports himself. He runs several businesses. 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.360 One of his businesses is a booking agency, and he 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.520 keeps himself busy and booked, and he loves to play 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:49.040 gigs in Texas. Is a still has what I had 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.080 when we grew up. Places to play. You can actually 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:56.400 go work like it's that's that's gone the way of 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:02.040 the Dodo bird now. But you can actually in Texas 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.160 be a working musician with a working bands, and that's 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:07.320 what he loves to do. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:13.960 Okay, so the record's done. Now, how long ago did 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:17.360 you guys say we're making a record, we are a band. 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:20.840 It was very organic process. I don't know if those 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:28.000 two statements wherever made you consecutively. It was really during 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:32.440 COVID that, you know, when the world came to a 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.760 screeching halt, and I think I about six weeks into it, 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.080 I went, well, shit, I got to do something, and 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:41.760 I have a recording studio, and I started learning how 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:47.080 to fileshare, you know, and create records. You know, send 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.160 me this, I'll send you back, and send me this 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.440 I'll send you And I did a lot of that 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:55.880 file sharing recording during COVID. And one of the guys 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.839 that was the most exciting for me was John. He 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.719 would send me pieces, I'd send him back pieces. He'd 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.360 get on a plane and come down because I mean, 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.040 you remember at the time when we were setting fire 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:08.680 to our groceries because we're all gonna die and you didn't, 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.600 you know, So John was the you know, we'd both 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.120 get tested and we'd come he'd come down and stay 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:18.800 with me. And so we started assembling our songs and 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.360 we have We got tons of songs. And then we 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:27.360 went and to a guy Larry Maser, who uh he 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.160 sort of orchestrated it. He helped us pick what he 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.520 felt should be on a record, what he and we 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:35.400 kind of went to committee at that point, which I 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.640 never even considered doing. You know, I was just going, 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.120 I don't know, let's just record a bunch of songs. 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.160 And we did. And then after that, I've gone into 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.160 band mode, which is what do y'all want to do. 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:49.520 I'll listen, you know, I'm listening. 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.840 Okay, So you've cut the record in your own home studio? 0:12:54.720 --> 0:13:00.320 Uh yeah, amongst others. There was here Dallas, I think 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:07.000 where else we recorded, but mostly in between this another guy, 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.360 Mike Pisteercy, who's really a great engineer. He's a guy 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.960 in Texas who has a great facility there and he 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.839 warmed to us early in the game and said you 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:17.840 can come and work here, and he's got a sound 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.280 stage and that's where we learned to be a band. 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.320 We went in there and just you know, threw down 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.360 and ate pizza and played our asses offten we figured 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.160 out what we're doing and so, like I said, it 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:35.120 takes a village. A band requires so many people to 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.240 give a shit before it works. 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:42.360 Okay, you know the initial Tom Petty records were cutting 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:47.120 shelters studios, which certainly wasn't the record plant. Then there 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.640 was a lot of success. You could basically work and 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:53.760 pay whatever you want. What are your viewpoints about today's 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:57.960 recording situation in terms of budgets? You know, do you 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.800 need a big room to cut the base or you 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.960 could do everything on a small level and you're happy, 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.680 or you wish you had more money. What's your viewpoint there? 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:14.280 Yes? Both, I mean it home recording now, it's no excuses. 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:18.400 I mean, your demos can be records, and many people's 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.560 they are. I mean, you know a lot of artists 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.680 don't even know how to interface with a real recording 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:29.480 studio quote unquote with musicians. And I mean, i'd say 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:33.200 a great majority of the records we hear today are track. 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:38.400 You know, they're created, and I prefer I mean, you know, 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:42.040 my dream would be, you know, to go like the 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.200 way I grew up. You know, I want to I 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:47.080 want to record like Free and Bad Company, and I 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.320 want to go in and just rumble for it, you know, 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:52.720 like I love that shit counting four no click tracks, 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.040 four or five guys in the room that you know 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:01.320 that is the best. That does require a budget, because 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.280 you do need some form of facility, and you're gonna 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:09.560 need engineers, and you're gonna need people to help. Once again, 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.960 when you're bearskins and knives and you're doing it yourself, 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:16.080 you just do it. You just get in, You do 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:20.240 whatever you can to create your product. And I'm good 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:24.960 with either one, but I would love to have the 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.920 old school way where you kind of rehearsed your songs, 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:29.920 you knew what you were kind of gonna do, or 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.240 had a rough idea, and you go in and cut 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.080 three or four tunes at a time, and you had 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.440 great engineers helping you get sounds and you got that 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:43.000 energy together and it was very romantic and exciting. I'm 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:44.960 not sure that's happening a whole lot anymore. 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.880 So, how did you actually cut this record track by 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:50.280 track or band in the room. 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:55.680 Most of it was done. A lot of it was assembly, 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:59.640 Like we'd start with a song as a demo and 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.280 we just listen to it and go, well, how would 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.120 it grow up? Would what would this thing do if 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.120 it started to walk and talk? And we would build 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:09.560 And then a few of the songs we actually did 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:11.840 just kind of go, why don't we just play this 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:15.200 damn thing. We've got enough guys and we've got an engineer, 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:18.400 and the time fell on it where we could do it. 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:27.960 But we were pretty we're pretty ghetto. 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:34.280 Okay, you know this is not like you're seventeen. Everybody 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.800 here needs to earn a living. So let's say, oh, yeah, 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.600 we want to go on the road next month, never 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.040 mind six months. Rough is one band member gonna say, 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:46.120 oh I already have gigs booked, or I got to 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.440 do this, or is everybody saying this is a priority. 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.880 I feel a priority out of the guys, and they've 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:57.520 already proved it, you know, when we've had like, look, 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:02.280 we've got two weeks and Mike set his facilities available, 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:06.359 everybody drops everything and gets their asses there, and we 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.720 all we all dig it. We're all getting it. You know. 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.639 It's like and everybody's bringing something to the table, and 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:19.520 but yeah, I don't I don't really know everybody's personal story. 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:21.840 I mean, I haven't put my nose into everybody's tent. 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:26.560 I'm probably in a unique situation because I can do 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.199 what I love when I want to do it. So 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.560 I'm hopeful that that will not be a problem. And 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:38.160 I'm pretty pretty sure that everybody's ready to roll. 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:40.840 And at this point in time, are there any live 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:41.960 dates booked. 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.760 We're working on that. We'd have to ask Larry, but 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.280 I think that's we We just did a gig in 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:52.840 Gainsville that was fun. We went and played and just 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:54.720 to make sure we could actually what happens if you 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.800 count for live and make sure nobody make sure I 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.480 don't have any excessive drinkers or you know. So it was. 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:04.640 It was a scratching sniff to make sure everybody could 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:08.040 do the gig. And I thought everybody did great. But 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.120 at the moment, I think we got a record coming 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:14.360 out and what is it in April? I think? Uh? 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:19.800 And so hopefully then, like I said, I have manager expectation, 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:24.280 but I'm feeling a little frisky that we can get 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:25.359 some work and have some fun. 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:30.640 Okay, you live in Florida, right, true, we're in Florida. 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.520 I don't need your specific address, but generally. 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:38.800 An undisclosed location almost at the Georgia border. I'm I 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:40.520 have a place that's out in the middle of the 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.200 woods in central Florida, outside of the town I grew 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:47.040 up in. And uh, pretty much if you were thinking 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:51.080 of the Panhandle, you'd be I'm kind of dead between 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:54.200 the Panhandle and the Atlantic, right square in the middle 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:54.720 of the state. 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.160 Okay, did it snow there the other day? 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:02.360 Close? But it's just north of us. It did, But yeah, 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:07.440 it By the way, you're in La correct, correct? How 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:07.760 are you? 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.040 Well? Thanks for asking. You know, I'm not that far 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.080 from the fires. And there were a couple of scary moments, 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.760 and you know, we got say, okay, I got my 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.520 shit ready to evacuate, but didn't have to. I know 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:22.959 a lot of people lost their houses. It's kind of 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:24.879 like a death in the family. You take it. I 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.080 don't think we've completely metabolized. 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:27.919 How could you? 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:32.360 But uh, going back to your story, how much property 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:32.760 do you have? 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:36.520 I got it just coming on too close to forty 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.760 acres out here. It's a tree farm that I started 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:45.119 back in I think around seventy nine or eighty. I 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.800 got started buying property here because it was just a 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:51.080 pretty spot, and we planted a lot of trees, and 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:55.160 we've already done a first cutting, and we've got lambs 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:58.160 up on the pasture, and you know it's it's it's cool. 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.080 I got it, Uh, I have the life. I would 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:02.960 have never thought this was what would have been so 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.640 appealing when I couldn't wait to get the hell out 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:11.840 of here. But when it's somewhere in the somewhere. After 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.639 about I guess about fifteen years of Los Angeles living, 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:18.160 I realized, like, this isn't my home. I love it 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.600 in LA. And I got great work. I had a 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:27.480 great life, fully energized, fully realized, but I could never relax. 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:32.080 I had an assbucker that was just tight. And when 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:35.240 I came down here, I went like, oh, it's too close, 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:37.240 so close to nature. I grew up on the water. 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.560 I got a little place over and on the on 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:42.720 the coast. That's fun. I can go over there, I 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:48.080 can attempt to surf. Still, I'm that guy, you say, we, who'se? We? 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:50.080 Me and my gal? 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:54.160 And how long has this gal been part of the picture. 0:20:55.080 --> 0:21:00.119 Probably since I wrapped up LA. So I'm thinking she 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:02.600 would correct me and tell me exactly, but probably since 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:04.600 mid nineties. 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:09.320 Okay, I've been with my girlfriend for twenty years. We're 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:12.240 not married. You've never been married, right. 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:15.760 Well, we never bred. Neither of us had kids, so 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.920 I think it's very I think with children, it would 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.159 be probably helpful if everybody had the same name. I 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:25.080 get that. You know, that would be convenient, Like you know, 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:29.200 all those name left SAIDs, get behind me and let's go, 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:31.159 you know, like I mean, that would make more sense. 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:35.159 But without kids, I want to be I'm on my 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:39.800 best behavior as a non married man. I'm still semi courting. 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.879 I'm doing my best, you know, Like, I get the 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:44.840 feeling i'd be the kind of guy with married I 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:49.159 might have. I would have the potential to be a 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:50.040 dick pretty quick. 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:54.560 Okay, this woman you met her in La? Is she 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:56.960 from La? What does she think about living in the 0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:58.040 moonies in Florida? 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:01.600 Well, she's from Texas. So I met her in Texas 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:02.440 on a blind date. 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:06.840 And wait, wait, wait, stop, stop there your rock and 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:09.520 roll star. How did a rock and roll star go 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:13.240 on a blind date? Tell me, well, it was nice, 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:17.400 I was. I found myself without a well, okay, take 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:20.680 a picture of this. I'm turning forty I've lost my job. 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:28.080 I'm I'm kind of like, I'm scared to death. I'm single. 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:31.160 The woman I was with had decided she'd had about 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:35.919 enough of me, and and then I was sort of 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:39.439 just hanging and a dear friend of mine and his 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.000 wife said, you know, because I was spend a lot 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:46.040 of time in Texas, and they said, well, we we 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:47.800 got a gallop, but next time you're in why don't 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.040 we go out for dinner? And that's how it happened. 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:55.240 Okay, so you're living in Florida. What's your everyday life like? 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:58.040 Are you pretty much cloistered in your own world? Or 0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:01.320 do you have friends there you so you're more isolated? 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:06.639 D all of the above. I mean, I've got the 0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:09.240 same crowd. I've got friends that I went to high 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:12.960 school with. I'm that guy. I've got the same guys 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:18.520 literally that are We talk every day. And I was 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.600 in my first band with these guys when I was fourteen. 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:25.800 There are still my friends. One of my buddies, you know, 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:28.560 we had a music store together in Gainesville for twenty years. 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:32.520 And so I've kept my roots were always here. My 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:36.600 father lived here, so I got to come back here 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:38.760 and live down the road from him and get to 0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:44.320 know him, and my everyday life is it's cool. I 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:51.480 try to stay engaged creatively as much as I possibly can, 0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:54.399 I mean, without burning out. So I set aside time 0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:57.840 every day or you know, every other week, actually four 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:00.280 or five days a week every other week to get 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:05.280 in my studio and try and that's always good. My 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.960 daily routines are fairly banal. I get up and take 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:11.720 a walk. I like to cook, I like to enjoy. 0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.919 I'm very grateful, Bob, that's the bottom line. I'm very 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:17.919 fucking grateful. You know that. I you know. 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:21.240 Okay, let's go back. You're the one who mentioned losing 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:24.760 your job. You know we have not met previously. You've 0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:27.960 emailed me a couple of times in the past. Okay, 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:30.400 what do I know? You're a very just from these 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:34.359 twenty minutes, you're a very affable guy, very easy to 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:39.439 talk to. You work with Don Henley, who you know, 0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:45.199 generally speaking, let's call him not easy at a little prickly, okay, 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:49.640 and you seem to get along with him. You go 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:52.840 with Tom, who's not the most easy going guy but 0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:56.560 is easier than Don. Yet there's some friction there, you know, 0:24:56.720 --> 0:24:57.720 what's going on there? 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:04.080 Boy? Is that a layered group of questions and statements. 0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:09.480 Don was never prickly for me. I met Don in 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:14.119 nineteen eighty and was immediately welcomed by him and Tony Tavy, 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:18.720 who was his guy. You know, for lack of a 0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:22.040 better term, he handled you know, his Don's dude probably 0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:24.600 handled everything from his drums to making sure he got 0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:27.159 in the car. And I met them in eighty at 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:33.440 a gig. They immediately made me feel welcome. And I 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:38.200 didn't know him from Adam, and I'm probably more smitten 0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:41.520 with the concept of look, it's the Eagles, it's Don. 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:44.840 And he immediately said, hey, you can sit right here 0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:48.360 on stage and if you want to watch me play drums. 0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:54.600 He immediately took treated me like I was family. So 0:25:55.640 --> 0:26:00.480 I never sensed the oh my god, you know the 0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:03.119 I never got it. I heard about it, you know, 0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:05.480 I would hear just like you like, oh, gee, Don 0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:09.520 can be tough. He's a tough Customer's this that never 0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:12.720 got it. Never felt that he was a big brother. 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:17.800 He always looked out for me and made it real 0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.920 easy to hang and also gave me my second act. 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:26.000 But that's another conversation. Okay, So then you asked Tom 0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:30.840 Now Tommy. When I met Tom, I was a little 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:36.040 boy in Gainesville. They were a little older, and I 0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:41.679 found him to be hysterical. They were these guys were 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:47.680 They were intelligent, They were Southern, but they weren't Hicks, 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:51.000 and they weren't rednecks. You know, I'm from Ohio, I 0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:58.720 grew up in Florida, but I'm not so blood simple that, 0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:04.200 you know. I I see the world outside of my box. 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:07.880 And so did Tom, So did Benmont, So did Mike, 0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:14.360 so did Ron. They were all kind of worldly even 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:17.600 though they hadn't been exposed yet. They were wide open. 0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:21.000 They were curious, That's the one. They were curious people. 0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:29.119 They were exciting, and so my early run with the 0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:33.119 band was nothing but brotherhood. It was hysterical, and I 0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:36.480 couldn't have asked for goof of your guys to go 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:37.240 on the quest with. 0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:41.440 So what ended? Why did it end? 0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:50.679 I probably several components to that. I think first and 0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:54.560 foremost was I had a belly full of Los Angeles. 0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:59.960 I was starting to branch out, and thanks to Don 0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:06.040 and Danny Kortschmeier and Steve Lucather, I was writing and 0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:10.040 being asked to do things beyond the drumming, and that 0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:14.159 was something that always intrigued me and I wanted and 0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:20.960 I'd kind of worn out. I'd worn out on Tom 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:24.159 Petty and the Heartbreakers. Where it was going and what 0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:29.000 music they were making. Didn't I didn't feel part of it. 0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:32.040 It was like, not what I want, not what I 0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:35.040 wanted to do naturally, and I wasn't willing to grow 0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.280 in the way that they needed a drummer at that point. 0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:42.000 So it was almost a subconscious conscious decision to say, 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:51.200 fuck it, I'll just make myself so uninterested and they'll 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:55.960 feel Everybody felt it, and I just didn't. I didn't 0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:58.440 fit in anymore, you know. I just didn't fit in. 0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:00.680 And I had a home in Florida, I loved going 0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:03.560 to and I had a whole other life, and Tom 0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:08.040 was making solo records, so it was like it was 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.480 a natural movement. 0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:14.400 Well, how did you find out you were no longer 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:16.640 in the band? And was it a shock when it happened. 0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:20.320 No, it was a surprise, but it wasn't a shock. 0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:23.920 It was no. I it was a fully executed swan 0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:30.960 dive away from the group. It wasn't he had a 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:35.080 point of no return for everybody. Uh and how did 0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:37.600 what was the question? How did I find out? Yeah, 0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:44.959 Tony Dimitriotis called me the Bandager yep. And but you know, 0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:47.880 it was like, yeah, I was sad. I was a 0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:52.400 little I was scared, you know, because that would have 0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:54.840 been you know, I used to kid my last name 0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:58.080 is Stan drummer for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. I 0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:02.520 didn't have a last name, you know, so you know, 0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:07.120 you couldn't say that anymore. So that was weird, you know, 0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:09.440 after so many years to like go, well, I woke 0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:11.920 up with my own last name. You know, my name 0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:16.440 is Stan Lynch and I'm doing something else. So and 0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:18.160 then you know, you went through the couple of years 0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:21.920 of weren't you or did you? Or what happened? Or 0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:27.880 and then you know, it's a nice evolution, you know. 0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:31.760 And I'm very grateful and thankful that I caught the 0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:36.400 wave when I did. And I'm also incredibly grateful that 0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:40.520 I didn't do that last twenty years for everybody's sake, 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:46.440 including my own, because man, that would have been horrifying 0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:47.120 for all of us. 0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:50.480 Tell me how it would have been horrifying for you? 0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:55.040 Well, I didn't particularly care for the music, so that 0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:58.040 would have been the first and foremost. I couldn't find 0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:03.280 a way to play drums like that, which was very 0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:12.479 metronomic and that should That's sounds strange for a drummer 0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:17.080 to say, because that is your job. But it wasn't 0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:19.880 what I wanted. I wanted to be. I came from 0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:24.240 a different style of drumming. I wanted to be British. 0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:29.280 I wanted to be Keith Moon meets Mick Fleetwood meets 0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:33.080 Charlie Watts. You know. I wanted to be this free 0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:38.400 and important component within the music, not just the thing 0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:43.680 that goes boom schmeck, boom schmeck, and that once they 0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:49.520 needed boom schmack. I couldn't really even do it. Quite frankly, 0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:52.840 it was intimidating. It was it's not what I know 0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:54.680 how to do, and I'm not any good. I'm better 0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:57.840 at it now after owning a studio and producing records 0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:04.720 and learning the the job of the drummer, I've gotten better. 0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:08.400 I can do that and uh and but I just 0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:11.320 it's not where my love of drumming is. 0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:23.600 Okay, Tom Betty and the Heartbreakers, you know they have 0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:27.800 big breakthrough after declaring bankruptcy on the third album. So 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:31.560 starting you know, around nineteen eighty they're playing arenas, but 0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:36.840 you are one member of a five member group. In addition, 0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:40.640 you're not the songwriter in the group. You lose your job. 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:47.240 What about the money, Let me think about that. 0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:51.240 Well, I think there's always a fear of going broke 0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:53.600 when you're a musician, no matter how much money you got. 0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:56.800 I think that's just the nature of the beast. Like 0:32:56.880 --> 0:33:01.120 you're you know, you're essentially self and Floyd your whole life. 0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:06.400 I mean, I I was pretty good at not freaking 0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:12.960 out about money once I had some, and I wasn't. 0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:18.800 I never lived an extreme life. I lived well within 0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:24.120 my means, and so I never really felt like I 0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:27.040 was going to be living under a bridge or you 0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:32.520 know what about the money, It's nice to have it, 0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:35.959 and I've been very lucky. It seems like I've been 0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:40.320 able to do well with that. That's never been a 0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:41.200 real problem for me. 0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:43.880 Okay, So, when you're no longer in time Pitty and 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:47.720 the Heartbreakers, did you have enough money that if you 0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:50.800 didn't want to play musical work you could have done that? 0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:57.920 Well? Depends on your lifestyle, don't It Absolutely I mean, yeah, 0:33:57.920 --> 0:33:59.920 I probably had enough to go live in an airstream 0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:04.600 out out on the Swany River and fish for the 0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:06.760 rest of my life. But that might not have been 0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:08.600 what I wanted. But at the same time, that didn't 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:12.960 scare me. I was never scared of having a used 0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:16.879 car and having a small house. That just didn't freak 0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:22.239 me out. I mean, I mean, I liked it. When 0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:24.160 I was a kid in LA it was fine. I 0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:27.680 had the fancy car and the groovy apartment, and you know, 0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:30.520 I had all that cool shit, the trappings of a 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:34.520 young buck, you know. And uh, but you know, after 0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:36.759 the band was over, I was like, well, shit, I 0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:39.560 got a little place in Florida. It's fun. I got 0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:43.520 my old friends. I just didn't want to be an embarrassment. 0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:46.600 I guess more than anything, I was more. I didn't 0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:50.040 want to be I didn't want to feel like I 0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:53.640 let anybody down. I remember asking my dad, like, hey Dad, 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:56.160 I'm not in the band anymore. You know, it didn't 0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:58.319 It's just I couldn't take it, or you know, it 0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:01.000 didn't work out. And I remember I think, and you know, 0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:03.200 am I going to be Is he gonna be ashamed 0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:05.399 or something? And it is a perfect father. He looked 0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:08.080 at me and he goes, Stan, what took you so long? 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:12.080 And I thought, wow, he knows what I've been. You know, 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.880 it was hard. He just knew, like you know, Jesus 0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:18.400 and Tom. One of the last things he said to 0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:21.960 me goes, you know, eighteen twenty years stands an ice 0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:24.279 run and I went, yeah, hard to complain, you know. 0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:28.000 And like I said, the last twenty that those guys did, 0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:31.680 I was never envious. I mean, I was happy for them, 0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:35.200 for the guys I love. I was happy that they 0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:38.239 were enjoying it. But I was never thinking, man, that 0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:41.280 should be me up there. I never had never crossed 0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:41.720 my mind. 0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:46.719 Okay, did you communicate all this to your father? Very 0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:48.480 intuitive and really knew who you were. 0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:51.880 I think Dad a little both. Yeah. Dad was smart, 0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:56.200 you know, he's he was a professor, you know, psychology, 0:35:56.320 --> 0:36:00.440 and he could overthink anything with me. You know. It 0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:03.520 was fun and I you know, I loved having him 0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:06.360 in my life because he was such a grounding force 0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:08.759 at the time. You know, he was because he never 0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:11.160 he didn't give a shit about anything, you know, Like 0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:14.680 I mean, I think I sent a couple of platinum 0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:17.360 albums to my dad, you know, when he had an office, 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:20.160 you know, said doctor Lynch on him or something. You know, 0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:22.640 he thought that was cute. You know. He came up 0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.080 to Madison Square Garden we were playing up there with Dylan, 0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:27.360 and he thought that was fun and put him on 0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:30.960 the bus and you know, but he was never like 0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:34.960 taken in by it. You know, my mom loved it 0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:37.719 for different reasons too, But it was fun. I mean 0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:39.520 I had a good family, you know, I really did. 0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:40.840 You know, it was cool. 0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:44.880 Well, just before we leave the money behind, you know 0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:48.120 a lot of rockers who you're vintage will complain that 0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:51.520 streaming doesn't pay and this and that. How are your 0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:54.040 royalties at this point. 0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:59.759 I I don't know how. That's the sound of me 0:36:59.880 --> 0:37:04.560 not fucking wood. So far, my life has been good. 0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:08.440 I got a full refrigerator, nobody's ever, the lights have 0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:13.360 never gone off, got pretty cars I got. I don't 0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:18.160 want for anything. I'm sated, and uh it's a wonderful 0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:21.839 time right now for me. I mean literally, if I 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:24.520 want it, I've got it. And if there's something in 0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:27.680 the that I see that I gotta have, I get one. 0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:33.640 And but mostly I can't speak to the actual like 0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:36.759 you asked me, like, you know, spotify royalties in these roles. 0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:39.120 Well, let me let me let me generalize the question. Sure, 0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:43.440 do you have a significant or adequate or some kind 0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:47.080 of income from having been on those Tom Petty records. 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:51.000 Yes, I've been very fortunate. I was well protected and 0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:53.960 my divorce from the band was well handled by a 0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.719 great attorney. And I'm uh, you know, because I was 0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:01.600 ready to just throw anger and add everybody. And he 0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:04.239 I remember, my attorney was so sweet. He goes, let 0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:06.960 me go back and let's make sure we formalize all 0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:10.960 these deals and and he said, Stan, it's not I'm 0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:13.319 going to try to get the QUO quote Jeffrey Light, 0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:17.960 fabulous attorney. He said, it's not how you feel in 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:22.000 the next seven days, it's how you're going to feel 0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:24.759 in the next seven years. And I couldn't even think 0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:28.640 that far in advance. But he was basically saying, let's 0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:33.080 make sure everything is protected and you don't just go 0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:36.480 running off into the woods screaming fuck you or you know, no, 0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:40.520 let's don't get into that. And he was lovely. And 0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:46.000 I've been very fortunate to have people take care of me. 0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:50.840 I have a great administrator, who handles all my songwriting 0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:54.160 and publishing, guy named Wicks and Wixy Music and Los 0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:58.120 Angeles and these people. Like I said, it takes a 0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:06.320 village to make someone's life work. And uh, I've tried 0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:10.440 to be a decent guy, you know, I've tried to 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:15.239 be straightforward. And they've been really the people I've been 0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:17.279 with now for man, they've been with these people for 0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:20.480 decades and they're very wonderful and they're straight with me, 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:23.760 and and uh, but yeah, in an issue of your question, 0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:27.320 I think I'm you know, I got something most guys 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:28.360 don't have, Bob. 0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:31.839 Okay, just to put a bow on it. At this 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:35.040 point in time, in terms of royalties, how does it 0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:37.920 break down between the work you did with Tom and 0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:40.959 the work you the songwriting and other work you did 0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:45.680 in terms of percentage half and half, three quarters, one quarter. 0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:51.040 It would very you know, it depends on the what 0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:53.239 what you know when your songs are being used for 0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:57.759 certain things that require certain licensings and then you do 0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:04.520 better there or you do but generally it's a good 0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:10.680 I wouldn't know what the percentage is, but it's probably somewhere, 0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:13.960 like you know, you'd imagine somewhere in the middle it 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:14.759 works out well. 0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:19.600 Okay, let's go back to you were born in Ohio. 0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:22.560 Did your parents stay together while they were alive? 0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:26.040 No, they split up pretty quick when I was around fifteen. 0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:30.160 What was that like, being fifteen years old and having 0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:32.719 your parents put up freedom? 0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:37.799 It was the smell of freedom. It was. They all 0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:42.479 took off and got their own separate lives. My dad 0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:45.359 had a girlfriend, my mom had a boyfriend, and they 0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:49.439 took off, and I think they kind of forgot where 0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:52.080 I was, which was almost perfect. And I was in 0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:54.799 a band already, and so I just moved in with 0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:58.399 the bass player. So I was feral by the time 0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:01.360 I was sixteen and pretty much living in a band 0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:05.520 house with guys older than me. And it was amazing 0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:10.160 because they were we were beyond broke and having the 0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:14.400 time of our lives, the funniest shit guys. And I'm 0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:17.040 playing in a titty bar, you know, three nights a 0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:21.560 week while I'm still in high school. So my life 0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:24.360 was like a fairy freak brother. 0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:29.680 Okay, how many kids in the family too. I got 0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:32.839 a big sister, And what's she up to? She's cool, 0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:35.000 she's got three kids, she's living down the road from 0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:40.600 me now here. She's a designer, interior designer. And once 0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:44.719 this schism happened, and you win feral. Was she on 0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:47.320 her own path or was she like being your big sister? 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.200 No? She split, she went to she's a little older, 0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:53.879 so she went to college. She left. 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:57.240 Okay. So you say you spent the first ten years 0:41:57.280 --> 0:41:58.480 of your life in Ohio? 0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:00.520 No? No, first two? 0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:05.920 First two, Okay, And you moved to Florida because. 0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:10.360 I think Dad had a shit winner. He was working 0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:14.400 for UPS, and he woke up one day and just said, 0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:18.720 it's cold. I don't remember this obviously, according to according 0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:22.120 to my mother, he piled us all into a nineteen 0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:25.640 fifty five bell Air convertible and drove until he ran 0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:28.000 out of road. He went to mile marker one basically 0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:31.959 and drove to almost a key west and said we're here. 0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:36.160 And my mom went like, what the shit is happening? 0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:38.319 And Dad's like, I don't know, but I'm You're never 0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:40.759 going to see snow again as long as I fucking live. 0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:44.120 And he dropped anchor I think in like Coral Gables 0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:48.040 in Miami in nineteen fifty nine, and then we lived 0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:50.680 in Miami on and off between Miami and Gainswell, when 0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:53.719 my parents, we would commute to Gainsville, they go one 0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:56.719 would go to college while the other worked. And you know, 0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:59.120 Dad got his PhD. Mom made it to our masters. 0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:03.640 So we were bouncing between Miami and Gainesville, Florida throughout 0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:05.480 the pretty much the sixties. 0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:09.239 Okay, you said your father was a psychologist. What about 0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:09.680 your mother. 0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:15.120 Mom's cool. She was a I think she got her 0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:19.440 master's in art and she was an artiste, and she 0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:23.440 taught and she was like a substitute teacher and my 0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:27.759 librarian in school, and she's very wonderful. Like mom was, 0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:31.000 was super artistic and laughed at everything. 0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:35.360 Okay, people who haven't been there don't know that North 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:37.600 Florida and South Florida are really pretty different. 0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:39.719 Oh man, it's night and day. 0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:43.560 Okay. North Florida is more like Georgia. But in any event, 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:47.600 you know, Miami was always a place for people to 0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:50.920 come down and Florida place to come down, but it 0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:56.160 became gargantuan in the eighties with Madonna and the drugs, 0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:59.200 et cetera. What was it like growing up in Florida 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:01.359 in the fifties and sixties. 0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:05.120 In Miami don't know wherever you were. Oh, Miami was 0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:07.800 a gas We lived in a well. It's one of 0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:10.080 the few places where you can create real estate, like 0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:14.160 you just dredge a canal and then you have an island. 0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:16.479 So they were creating this thing. We lived in North 0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:19.839 Miami in a place called Keystone Island, which I gather 0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:22.680 is pretty tony now, but at the time this was 0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:25.400 just like you, I don't know. Houses were probably twenty 0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:27.360 nine to five, you know, and you had a dock 0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:32.560 and you lived on a canal. So it was fantastic. Man, 0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:35.800 I wanted a boat before I could, you know, I 0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:37.520 didn't give a shit about a car, you know, I 0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:40.440 just wanted So my sister and I we had an 0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:43.160 eight foot boat with a three horse and we could 0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:45.680 just put in the canals. It was like Huck Finn. 0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:49.839 It was unbelievable. Miami was great. My grandparents would come 0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:52.920 down from Ohio, of course, like a pilgrimage to Miami 0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:55.279 and stay at the Fountain Blue and it was all. 0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:58.200 It was great, you know, like the Beatles were playing 0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:01.360 in Miami, you know, we went to the Jackie Gleason 0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:05.520 Show was being taped in Miami. It was it was. 0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:09.879 It was racy and kind of sexy and and uh 0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:14.040 and a little forbidden me. It was. It was wonderful. 0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:15.920 You know. I took drum lessons in Miami when I 0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:18.920 was a little kid, and Gainesville was a more of 0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:26.000 a a bicycle hippie liberal bastion in the middle of Florida. 0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:29.319 You know, when you got to into Gainesville, it was uh, 0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:32.160 I mean, hell, the town games was probably fifty five 0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:36.160 thousand people when we moved there. And and it was 0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:39.799 a college, you know, and they had a football team, 0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:42.760 and you could sell Coca Colas, and I could park cars, 0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:45.440 and I had a rock band, and you know, it 0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:51.000 was it was unbelievable. The simplicity of it all was, 0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:55.840 and the kindness. You know, occasionally you'd meet a real douchebag, 0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:58.080 or you'd beat somebody was a schmuck, or you get 0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:00.440 beat up, but by and large, every but he was. 0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:06.799 It's pretty cool, Okay. Was there any thought that you 0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:09.240 were off the beaten track? No one's off the beaten 0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:12.640 track today with cable and streaming TV and the Internet. 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:15.560 But did you ever think, well, it's really happening in 0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:18.160 New York, in la or London, and I really got 0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:20.360 to go there, I feel out of the loop or 0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:21.560 that didn't even occur to you. 0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:25.719 You mean back then? Yeah, oh yeah, we knew. We 0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:27.840 knew that as soon as because you max out in 0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:31.120 Gainesville by the time. And I'm fortunately being a little 0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:33.759 younger than the guys, like they were probably in their 0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:37.320 twenties when they went to California, the guys in mud 0:46:37.360 --> 0:46:40.200 Crutch and there was a band called RGF that Ron 0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:45.120 Blair was in, and they had maxed out by the 0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:47.080 time they were twenties, and they were already you could 0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:48.880 see it. They were like, we got to get the 0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:51.440 hell out of here. I'm still in junior high school, 0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:54.200 but I'm already maxing out. And you knew it. You 0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:58.120 knew you had to go measure your dick against a bigger, 0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:03.040 bigger pond than you were in. Like and I remember 0:47:03.719 --> 0:47:05.879 literally my mom going, well, honey, don't go to New York. 0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:10.200 The weather's terrible, because she'd lived in New York as 0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:12.319 a kid, and she was like, no, you don't want 0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:14.920 to go there, no, honey. And I'm like going, like 0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:17.839 I said, because I'm thinking of going to LA and 0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:19.080 you know, as soon as I can get you know, 0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:21.400 I want to drop out of school and go And 0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:23.200 she was like, oh, well la is at least it's 0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:26.960 you know, your great weather, you know. So that was it. 0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:29.200 I mean, it was either going to be New York 0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:31.279 or la for me. You know, I knew you knew 0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:32.799 you were going somewhere, you know. 0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:44.080 Okay, going back a little younger, What kind of kid 0:47:44.120 --> 0:47:47.279 were you growing up? Were you they could tell you 0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:51.040 were never isolated? You have a lot of personality. Were 0:47:51.080 --> 0:47:53.360 you the straw that stirs the drink like you know 0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:56.120 Reggie Jackson in New York? Were you the leader who 0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:58.480 have a lot of friends, you play sports, You're the 0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:01.080 class clown? Were you good in school? What were you like? 0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:04.040 I was terrible in school, I kind of was. I 0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:07.799 was borderline dyslexic for the longest time, never read a 0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:11.120 book until I even really went to California when I 0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:15.239 finally read Jaws and the Family, you know, I mean, 0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:17.080 I finally sat down and decided I got to read 0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:23.600 a fucking book. And I was probably the class clown. 0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:29.040 I got beat up a couple of times. I wasn't 0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:31.279 a jock. So you were either, you know, you were 0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:33.440 either a long hair or you were a jock. When 0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:37.280 I was a kid, and the jocks did not dig 0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:41.799 the long hairs. You know, we were pussies. So you know, 0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:45.000 I mean I got revenge when people realized I was 0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:48.640 in the band that was playing the dance tonight. You know, 0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:51.239 that was like, that was how I got back, like, 0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:54.080 you know, oh shit, we beat up Lynch. Oh shits, 0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:56.920 he's in the band tonight. Probably don't want to beat 0:48:56.960 --> 0:48:58.960 him up anymore. Oh yeah, he's cool like you know, 0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:03.400 and I'm you know, and it was all about getting 0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:05.759 the girls attention. When we were kids. That was the 0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:08.400 only thing you wanted to do, you know, like I 0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:12.319 want I want to be noticed. And uh but yeah, 0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:15.680 I don't think I was particularly a bad kid. I 0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:17.879 mean I ran a foul of the law a couple 0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:20.400 of times, but not you know, nothing too serious. But 0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:23.680 it was it was cool. I had a good life. Man. 0:49:23.880 --> 0:49:26.200 Still, do did you finish high school? 0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:31.120 Kind of there was I went to every high school 0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.760 in Alachua County, you know, because I was living alone. 0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:36.040 I was living with a band, so I could change 0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:38.919 high schools at will, Like I could just walk into 0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:41.840 the next high school after four months and go we 0:49:41.960 --> 0:49:45.240 moved and make up a new address and they'd go okay. 0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:50.040 So my theory was if I was always the new student, 0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:53.200 I couldn't say well, I just didn't know, and so 0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:56.799 I'd get d's and c's and that was fine, you know, 0:49:56.880 --> 0:49:59.400 as long as I passed is all. I cared. And 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.560 I bullshitted my way through school. And then at the 0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:04.960 last minute I was going to drop out, and I 0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:09.200 got accepted to this laboratory school in Gainesville at the 0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:11.959 last second, and I went there, and thank God for them, 0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:15.120 they would give me credit for going to California. Literally, 0:50:15.480 --> 0:50:18.040 I went to LA and as long as I came 0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:22.640 back and told the story, they'd go great. You know, So, 0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:29.319 yes I did. I graduated, but under odd conditions. 0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:33.319 Okay, it was the sixties and early seventies. Other than 0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:37.560 beating the system, was there anything positive about going to 0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:38.840 the laboratory school? 0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:44.319 Oh yeah. They were creative as hell. They would kind 0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:46.880 of let you do your thing, you know, like if 0:50:46.880 --> 0:50:52.520 whatever your thing was, like I claimed I was a musician, Great, 0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:56.120 you're a musician, do your thing, let's see it, you know. 0:50:56.239 --> 0:50:59.400 And and you know, I'm going to be in pottery. 0:50:59.440 --> 0:51:02.520 I'm going to make pottery. It's like, yeah, the great 0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:06.040 thing about it was then. The people there were progressive, 0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:10.160 they were forward leaning. They were you know, because this 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:14.640 is a time too during integration and segregation. Segregated South 0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:19.359 was you know, melding and not very well. You know. 0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:24.520 So this school was mostly it was all actually uh, 0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:30.120 faculty members from the University of Florida's children, So they 0:51:30.120 --> 0:51:33.200 were I felt that they had a little more of 0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:37.839 a liberal leaning and a little more open mindedness as 0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:41.040 a result of that, maybe that family background that was 0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:46.360 my after being in all the public schools. These people, 0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:50.759 these kids were they were more open minded, you know, 0:51:50.800 --> 0:51:54.319 they were just kind of like, I don't know, so 0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:54.960 that helped. 0:51:56.280 --> 0:52:00.440 Okay, you've lived in Florida much of your life, certainly 0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:02.680 been to Florida a number of times, never lived there. 0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:08.680 We hear about this incredible right wing turn as someone 0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:12.200 who's lived in Florida, is it different? What's different about 0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:13.960 Florida today from when you were growing up? 0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:20.040 Honestly, maybe it's just me and maybe that I do 0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:24.000 live a little bit obviously isolated life. It's no different. 0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:32.320 And stupidity knows no geographical location. Uh, simple mindedness knows 0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:40.160 no geographical spot. You know, Racism knows no place. You 0:52:40.200 --> 0:52:43.960 know what I mean, it's it's everywhere man, And so 0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:48.680 I find life is kind of a mirror like if 0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:53.600 I if I, if I show a cool face that's 0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:59.440 accepting and caring and uh, you know, and curious, that's 0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:03.479 that tracks that crowd of people. Now, if I want 0:53:03.480 --> 0:53:06.400 to go and wear a maga hat and be a 0:53:06.440 --> 0:53:08.840 dick or whatever, I you know, whatever, whatever flag I 0:53:08.880 --> 0:53:11.439 want to fly, I'm going to find that. I'm gonna 0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:14.239 find my people. And you could do that in La 0:53:15.200 --> 0:53:17.440 You could do that in the most quote liberal living 0:53:17.600 --> 0:53:23.960 leaning places in the world. That's my impression. My Florida 0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:30.000 is really loving and kind and honest. The people I 0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:33.799 work with and meet and that I've surrounded myself with, 0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:38.480 I would trust them literally with my life. I'd give 0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:41.320 them my car keys. Everything comes back to the tanks 0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:43.400 always full. 0:53:43.600 --> 0:53:46.960 Okay, going back to music. You're growing up. Was there 0:53:47.080 --> 0:53:49.200 music in the house or was it a matter of 0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:52.440 the transistor or seeing the beatles on Ed Sullivan? What 0:53:52.560 --> 0:53:53.480 got you into music? 0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:56.600 There's a little music in the house. Dad could play 0:53:57.040 --> 0:54:02.439 trumpet kinda and my mom could play piano kainda and 0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:06.560 my grandmother on my mother's side was a pianist, and 0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:09.279 she was very big in the symphony in Cincinnati. And 0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:12.800 so I had some music in the background. 0:54:13.280 --> 0:54:16.319 But were they playing records in the house. How did 0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:20.000 you get involved in popular slash rock music? 0:54:20.440 --> 0:54:23.480 Oh? Man, the radio, I remember it. I had a 0:54:23.560 --> 0:54:26.800 bake light radio in Miami and there was a big, 0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:31.080 you know, fifty thousand watch station in Miami. And man, 0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:34.560 I would go to sleep with that thing glued to 0:54:34.640 --> 0:54:39.080 my ear. And you know, sitting the dock of the bay, 0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:42.440 Wilson Piccott wass be playing Pretty Woman, will be playing 0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:46.600 you know I walked the line would be playing. These 0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:49.400 were stations that played everything. You know. It wasn't It 0:54:49.520 --> 0:54:55.239 was just you know, sixteen Tons was playing Love and 0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:58.680 Spoonful would be playing occasionally catch a Beatles and Dave 0:54:58.719 --> 0:55:01.520 Park five and and I would listen to literally it 0:55:01.520 --> 0:55:05.000 would be like in a lightning storm. I would have 0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:07.840 that radio on and you'd hear it crackle and it 0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:11.080 would just come to me like magic. It was just 0:55:12.080 --> 0:55:16.600 the music came. It just sent me away to this 0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:20.040 special place where I don't even know how to describe 0:55:20.080 --> 0:55:22.040 it. It was like a drug when you're a little boy. 0:55:22.480 --> 0:55:25.879 For me, it was I just couldn't wait to get 0:55:25.920 --> 0:55:26.960 home and turn on the radio. 0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:30.160 I know what you're talking about. So when did you 0:55:30.200 --> 0:55:31.480 start playing an instrument? 0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:36.840 I started playing violin in the first grade. Tanked, I 0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:41.600 was terrible. I tried to play trumpet probably in the 0:55:43.120 --> 0:55:46.960 later maybe a couple of years later, tanked terrible. And 0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:49.520 although I did play bugle in the cub Scouts, so 0:55:49.560 --> 0:55:53.240 I could play all the bugle calls. And I started 0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:56.560 playing drums. I think I was about eight or nine. 0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:59.719 I took my first drum lesson in Miami and just 0:55:59.760 --> 0:56:01.960 fell in love with it. The guy there who was 0:56:02.200 --> 0:56:04.759 teaching me was a bebop guy and he had a 0:56:04.840 --> 0:56:09.240 drum kit, so that was magic, you know. And because 0:56:09.360 --> 0:56:12.160 and I'd already seen the Beatles obviously on TV. I 0:56:12.200 --> 0:56:16.560 was about eight when that came out, I think, and 0:56:16.600 --> 0:56:19.600 that just sent me. And then seeing Charlie Watts and 0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:22.560 seeing Mick Avery's from the Kinks, and you know, it 0:56:22.800 --> 0:56:26.000 just I just couldn't believe what I was seeing. You know, 0:56:26.320 --> 0:56:29.319 my sister screaming because Paul McCarty's so cute, and I'm 0:56:29.320 --> 0:56:32.799 watching Ringo like there's nobody else on that stage. And 0:56:32.840 --> 0:56:36.520 the same with mc Jaggery's amazing. I'm like Charlie Watts, 0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:39.120 holy shit, you know. And they both had those small 0:56:39.160 --> 0:56:42.320 four piece kits. And when I went and took my 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:45.080 drum lesson, he had the same kit, you know, and 0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:47.920 it was like, I need to know how to do that. 0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:51.520 And then I just took lessons all the time. I 0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:55.200 took drum lessons in Gainesville for another few more years, 0:56:55.239 --> 0:56:58.400 and I was just bit bit up with it. 0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:05.480 You know, people played full guitars and eyelin string guitars. 0:57:06.080 --> 0:57:10.120 Then the Beatles hit, a lot of people picked up guitars. 0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:12.440 Why did you pick up the drums as opposed to 0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:13.400 any other instrument? 0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:20.160 I don't know, man, that's just like, uh, what's your 0:57:20.200 --> 0:57:25.120 favorite color? You know, like most guys pick blue, some 0:57:25.160 --> 0:57:29.840 guys picked green. And to me, the guitar it just 0:57:29.880 --> 0:57:32.640 didn't look as fun. It looked more I think the 0:57:32.720 --> 0:57:36.840 drums looked more physical, and they looked exciting, and it 0:57:36.880 --> 0:57:41.480 looked probably looked I mean, how puile is this? I 0:57:41.520 --> 0:57:44.080 got to smash shit? You know, like it looked like 0:57:44.200 --> 0:57:48.560 something like yeah, like I'm gonna bang on stuff, and 0:57:49.280 --> 0:57:51.320 it looked like you were getting to me. It seemed 0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:53.520 like you were the center of attention, which was probably 0:57:53.600 --> 0:57:54.400 what I wanted to be. 0:57:55.640 --> 0:57:59.959 Okay, you know, back in those days, they would start 0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:04.440 you with a drum pad. Yes, so at what point 0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:06.800 did you get a drum kit? And we're the kind 0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:08.080 of kid who practiced or not. 0:58:09.720 --> 0:58:13.440 Well. The Jean Bardow, who was my drum teacher in Gainesville, 0:58:13.600 --> 0:58:15.600 he was that guy. He had a beautiful drum kid 0:58:15.640 --> 0:58:18.400 in the corner and I wasn't allowed to sit behind 0:58:18.440 --> 0:58:20.920 it or even touch it. And for literally a year 0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:23.360 and a half I played on a practice pad with 0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:27.080 a metronome, and he taught me all my twenty six rudiments. 0:58:27.120 --> 0:58:29.320 You know, there's thirteen essential and there were twenty six, 0:58:29.880 --> 0:58:33.240 and there was a diploma you got called National Association 0:58:33.320 --> 0:58:38.400 of Rudimental Drummers or NARD. And I won in my 0:58:38.520 --> 0:58:43.880 NARD card. And so I practiced. I'd go once a 0:58:43.880 --> 0:58:47.800 week and I only didn't practice once. And I came 0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:50.600 back and he said, you didn't practice, And he said, 0:58:50.640 --> 0:58:51.920 if you're not going to practice, I don't want to 0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:55.640 teach you. And I was so heartbroken that he busted me. 0:58:56.000 --> 0:58:58.920 That I always practiced whatever he taught me, and I 0:58:59.000 --> 0:59:01.720 learned all my rudiments and then at the end of that, 0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:04.240 I passed, I got my nard, I got my diploma. 0:59:04.560 --> 0:59:07.960 I still have it up. And I said, now can 0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:09.800 I play drums? I want to play the drum kit 0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:13.680 and I'll never forget it. He said, you know, I 0:59:13.760 --> 0:59:16.160 thought better of you, He said, I thought you were 0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:19.560 going to really be a percussionist. I taught you to 0:59:19.640 --> 0:59:24.760 be a percussionist. I wanted you to be a symphony player. Essentially. 0:59:24.920 --> 0:59:28.240 He wanted me to be a real musician. And he said, 0:59:28.280 --> 0:59:31.360 if all you want to do is play the drums, 0:59:31.800 --> 0:59:34.200 he goes, I don't want to teach I don't I 0:59:34.240 --> 0:59:36.680 don't have anything to teach you. And he was and 0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:41.880 he basically dismissed me, and it was kind of like, okay, 0:59:42.280 --> 0:59:45.560 But at that moment it was already like I think 0:59:45.600 --> 0:59:48.720 I was already ready. I was ready to be in 0:59:48.720 --> 0:59:50.680 a band, you know, I wanted. So I had a 0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:52.720 Mutt you know, I got Mut drum kits, like you know, 0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:55.920 you'd buy a crummy bass drum from a pawn shop 0:59:56.000 --> 0:59:59.640 and a you know, you'd steal a snare drum from school, 0:59:59.760 --> 1:00:02.480 or you know, you'd so I had these Mutt kits 1:00:02.520 --> 1:00:05.720 that never made any sense until Finally I was making 1:00:05.800 --> 1:00:08.760 enough money because my parents weren't gonna buy me drums. 1:00:08.760 --> 1:00:11.560 They weren't those kind of they weren't that kind of family. 1:00:11.960 --> 1:00:15.360 They were like, we might do matching funds, you know, 1:00:15.440 --> 1:00:17.520 like if you have thirty dollars, we'll do thirty or 1:00:17.960 --> 1:00:20.480 But mostly I got a job. I was playing, and 1:00:20.520 --> 1:00:24.280 I was playing in a band that was a kind 1:00:24.320 --> 1:00:26.760 of a corporate band, and you had to wear Dickey's and. 1:00:26.800 --> 1:00:29.440 Wait, wait, wait, wait wait before you get there. Did 1:00:29.480 --> 1:00:32.080 you ever play in the drum corps at school? 1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:34.760 Oh? Yeah, I sucked at all that. I got washed 1:00:34.760 --> 1:00:37.520 out of that pretty quick too. I got washed out 1:00:37.560 --> 1:00:37.800 all that. 1:00:38.680 --> 1:00:42.040 Okay, you say you took lessons from years, so you 1:00:42.120 --> 1:00:44.240 must have taken lessons from other teachers. 1:00:45.400 --> 1:00:46.440 Really just two guys. 1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:49.000 Who's the other guy? 1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:51.960 His name was Sonny and I don't remember his last 1:00:52.080 --> 1:00:56.480 name in Miami and uh, and then Jean was the 1:00:56.560 --> 1:00:59.720 guy in Gainesville. And then you learn from other drummers. 1:01:00.280 --> 1:01:03.080 Go over to another guy's house and he'd go, have 1:01:03.120 --> 1:01:05.320 you heard the drum solo from Toad? Or do you 1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:07.040 know how to play the lick? The opening lick for 1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:10.720 love is a beautiful thing by you know the Rascals 1:01:10.800 --> 1:01:13.160 or do you know how to play? In my life 1:01:13.200 --> 1:01:16.360 by the Beatles and other drummers would learn the parts 1:01:16.360 --> 1:01:20.360 that they teach them to you. So I was pretty 1:01:20.400 --> 1:01:23.360 self taught as a drummer, like from the drum kit. 1:01:25.280 --> 1:01:27.920 But a lot of people who play the drums have 1:01:28.080 --> 1:01:32.520 no education, no classes at all. But if having classes 1:01:32.560 --> 1:01:34.360 did that give you a little bit of a leg up? 1:01:35.160 --> 1:01:38.920 Maybe, I mean maybe maybe. I know I played weird. 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:43.120 My hand position was traditional, Like there's a thing it's 1:01:43.120 --> 1:01:48.040 called traditional drumming, and then there's match grip. Charlie Watts's 1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:54.680 traditional ringoes matched and I played traditional, which I think 1:01:54.800 --> 1:01:57.200 was kind of weird in rock, like I mean the 1:01:57.280 --> 1:01:59.320 cats that I grew up listening, you know, Mitch Mitchell 1:02:00.000 --> 1:02:03.040 and the Henrick's Experience played traditional, and McK avery's from 1:02:03.040 --> 1:02:06.360 the Kinks played traditional. A lot of cats from the 1:02:06.400 --> 1:02:10.880 British era, they were jazzer's I think they were. They 1:02:10.920 --> 1:02:13.000 were inventing rock and roll, those guys, you know what 1:02:13.040 --> 1:02:15.800 I mean, Like Charlie Watts kind of invented it, you know, 1:02:15.920 --> 1:02:19.720 like he was a swing he swung so hard, and 1:02:19.920 --> 1:02:22.720 those cats like Ringo and all those guys were they 1:02:22.840 --> 1:02:26.720 swung when they played. It was it wasn't just it 1:02:26.760 --> 1:02:29.760 wasn't stiff, It wasn't you know, meat and potatoes. It 1:02:29.840 --> 1:02:33.880 was all the subdivision and the goo and the and 1:02:33.920 --> 1:02:36.520 it was like listening to the you know, the great 1:02:36.600 --> 1:02:39.360 drummers like Al Jackson Junior from Booker T and the 1:02:39.440 --> 1:02:43.560 MG's and they all played traditional and cool, and that 1:02:43.760 --> 1:02:45.040 was where I was coming from. 1:02:45.200 --> 1:02:50.600 You know, it's a practical matter. If you were a 1:02:50.720 --> 1:02:55.360 traditional or you know, you're holding both sticks the same way, 1:02:56.360 --> 1:02:59.800 how does that affect your ultimate playing and ultimate sound? 1:03:02.040 --> 1:03:05.440 Well, I can only say what it does for me. 1:03:06.440 --> 1:03:10.280 Playing traditional allows me to do. Okay, drums are math. 1:03:10.600 --> 1:03:13.000 You know you've heard the you know one, two, three, four, 1:03:13.120 --> 1:03:16.920 we've all heard drummers count off. Well, traditionally that's a 1:03:17.000 --> 1:03:20.200 quarter note, there's four to a bar. That's math. But 1:03:20.240 --> 1:03:21.919 if you go one and a two and a three 1:03:22.000 --> 1:03:25.960 and a fouriena, that's different math. And those are the 1:03:26.000 --> 1:03:32.160 subdivisions that create the goo and the the grit in 1:03:32.280 --> 1:03:35.960 rock and roll is how you subdivide. And that's what 1:03:36.000 --> 1:03:40.160 I think is missing when the drum machine entered. You know, 1:03:40.360 --> 1:03:43.400 when Roger Lynn invented the drum machine, and became the 1:03:43.440 --> 1:03:46.560 most influential drummer of the eighties. It's like it didn't 1:03:46.640 --> 1:03:53.280 subdivide as. It was very staccato, like boom bap boom bap, 1:03:53.680 --> 1:03:57.600 and playing traditionally it allows you to drag and rush. 1:03:59.240 --> 1:04:02.440 You can articulate all these cool little things with your 1:04:02.520 --> 1:04:05.800 left hand. That's what I think it allowed me to do. 1:04:06.200 --> 1:04:09.120 And it was very frustrating for certain producers. You know, 1:04:09.240 --> 1:04:11.880 I know a couple of them just hated it. They 1:04:11.920 --> 1:04:14.520 hated that I played like that. They made fun of it, 1:04:14.880 --> 1:04:16.720 and I'm I thought it was just drumming. 1:04:24.880 --> 1:04:29.800 Okay, So you're putting together this mutt kit. At what 1:04:30.040 --> 1:04:32.760 point do you form a band? Join a band? 1:04:35.520 --> 1:04:39.080 Probably pretty quick. It's all happening pretty fast. I'm fifteen 1:04:39.160 --> 1:04:44.200 and I'm hanging around with Marty Girard who later him 1:04:44.240 --> 1:04:47.880 and Jeff started the Motels, And I'm Marty and I 1:04:47.960 --> 1:04:50.800 are in a band in Gainesville and he's a little 1:04:50.840 --> 1:04:53.200 older than me, so sweet, can well, let's. 1:04:53.040 --> 1:04:56.320 Go back a little bit. Sure, I'm two years older 1:04:56.320 --> 1:04:59.640 than you. Beatles hit. If you didn't have a guitar, 1:04:59.760 --> 1:05:01.880 you'd one. There was always a drummer. You went to 1:05:01.960 --> 1:05:07.360 somebody's house, they played Gloria, you played some Beatles songs. True, 1:05:07.520 --> 1:05:11.000 you know, ultimately there were bands that worked every weekend, 1:05:11.400 --> 1:05:13.800 but there were a lot of little steps between that. 1:05:14.000 --> 1:05:17.240 What was going on for you. Garage bands we called them. 1:05:17.760 --> 1:05:20.720 And yeah, I was in a couple of fun garage bands, 1:05:21.240 --> 1:05:24.840 and one with my buddy Jeff, who I still know 1:05:25.000 --> 1:05:25.280 that I. 1:05:25.240 --> 1:05:27.960 Grew up with. His parents had a two car garage, 1:05:28.480 --> 1:05:31.640 you know, and lived out in a subdivision, and we 1:05:31.680 --> 1:05:35.240 went out there and would play all four songs we knew, 1:05:35.760 --> 1:05:38.919 you know, like probably a Creten's Clearwater song or whatever, 1:05:38.960 --> 1:05:42.840 you know. And yeah, there was this not that many 1:05:42.880 --> 1:05:46.760 of those. I probably was in maybe two different garage bands, 1:05:47.240 --> 1:05:49.560 and you know living room bands, you know, where we 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:53.840 could and the parents were very tolerant, you know, they 1:05:53.840 --> 1:05:57.080 were like they would let us just because we mised 1:05:57.080 --> 1:05:59.680 of us have sucked and we were loud, and we 1:05:59.720 --> 1:06:04.080 had much equipment and you know, but yeah, that that 1:06:04.080 --> 1:06:07.840 that happened pretty quick. And then you could see in 1:06:07.880 --> 1:06:11.360 the garage band who wanted to make money, who wanted 1:06:11.360 --> 1:06:13.040 to go get a make a living, you know, like 1:06:13.320 --> 1:06:16.400 who wants to give this a go? And that was 1:06:16.440 --> 1:06:20.040 where the living room balls guys with living room balls 1:06:20.080 --> 1:06:22.560 sort of stayed there like that's as far as their 1:06:22.560 --> 1:06:25.200 balls would let them go. Then the other guys would 1:06:25.200 --> 1:06:28.600 go like, wait a minute, I got I got gymnasium balls. 1:06:28.640 --> 1:06:30.720 I can go play the high school gym. Wait I 1:06:30.760 --> 1:06:34.240 got auditorium balls. I'll play the U off auditorium. And 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:38.400 you'd sort of lose certain guys on the way because 1:06:38.400 --> 1:06:40.440 everybody's you know, it's a little scary. You know, the 1:06:40.600 --> 1:06:42.920 first time you play, and first time we play in 1:06:42.920 --> 1:06:45.400 a bigger place, you're like, am I really cut out 1:06:45.440 --> 1:06:50.640 for this? Or is my impostor syndrome raging? Are they 1:06:50.640 --> 1:06:53.120 going to see through me? You know, you're you're worried, 1:06:53.120 --> 1:06:55.000 you're going to be laughed off stage at every at 1:06:55.040 --> 1:06:58.280 every step, and then at some point you just grow balls. 1:06:58.360 --> 1:06:59.960 You just go, well, I got arena balls, I got 1:07:01.120 --> 1:07:04.520 I got the balls. I'm doing it. So, yeah, there 1:07:04.600 --> 1:07:07.080 was a lot of fun. It was a lot of 1:07:07.080 --> 1:07:10.240 fun being in a band back then because you didn't 1:07:10.240 --> 1:07:12.280 really know what was going to happen, but it was something. 1:07:12.720 --> 1:07:14.800 It was always fun. It was really fun. 1:07:15.880 --> 1:07:18.880 So your experience going from the living room to the 1:07:19.000 --> 1:07:23.320 gym to the VFW, was it natural or did you 1:07:23.360 --> 1:07:25.600 have to get over your stage fright? What was your experience. 1:07:26.240 --> 1:07:29.040 I kind of always suffered from stage fright all the 1:07:29.040 --> 1:07:32.200 way through the end. I had a little bit of it, 1:07:32.240 --> 1:07:35.720 but I always felt that it was probably that was 1:07:35.840 --> 1:07:40.360 I learned that that was okay, Like I think maybe 1:07:40.360 --> 1:07:42.400 it was Bill Graham. I remember one day we were 1:07:42.480 --> 1:07:46.040 playing Winterland and I said, you know, I'm nervous, you know, 1:07:46.200 --> 1:07:48.920 and he played ping pong with me, I remember, to 1:07:49.000 --> 1:07:53.160 cool me out, and I said, he goes, you're still nervous, 1:07:53.400 --> 1:07:54.840 and I said, yeah, a little bit, and he goes, 1:07:55.080 --> 1:07:59.040 make it work for you. And I remember thinking he's right, 1:07:59.320 --> 1:08:03.080 like use that energy, use it, you know, harness it. 1:08:03.400 --> 1:08:06.840 And so yeah, I was always a little scared when 1:08:06.880 --> 1:08:10.760 I look out and see my friends. Or that's the 1:08:10.800 --> 1:08:14.080 worst is to be playing at a gig and you 1:08:14.160 --> 1:08:16.559 know there's five really great drummers out there. You know, 1:08:16.600 --> 1:08:19.439 that's the worst. You know, when my drummer buddies would 1:08:19.479 --> 1:08:23.240 show up, be like, ah shit, you know. But most 1:08:23.240 --> 1:08:25.679 of the time, when you're in a band and they're good, 1:08:26.439 --> 1:08:28.280 and you know everybody in the band is like going 1:08:28.360 --> 1:08:31.360 to be like a finger on a fist, most of 1:08:31.400 --> 1:08:33.720 that nerves goes right out the window the second you 1:08:33.760 --> 1:08:36.240 step on stage with them. And that's what it was 1:08:36.280 --> 1:08:39.200 with the Guys and the Heartbreakers. I mean, everybody out 1:08:39.200 --> 1:08:43.360 there was so good. If I was feeling nervous, I 1:08:43.520 --> 1:08:47.240 just look over at Ben Mott and go, Jesus, that 1:08:47.280 --> 1:08:50.679 guy's fucking good, you know, and all your nerves would 1:08:50.680 --> 1:08:55.480 disappear because you were I'm in the bosom of greatness. 1:08:55.920 --> 1:08:59.280 Okay, So after you left the garage from the living room, 1:09:00.160 --> 1:09:02.599 was the first band that hung together for a while 1:09:02.640 --> 1:09:03.360 and how much. 1:09:03.200 --> 1:09:06.360 Did you work? Well, it would have been the band 1:09:06.360 --> 1:09:10.000 with Marty Girard. We worked for about a year and 1:09:10.040 --> 1:09:13.920 a half and it was good. I mean we played 1:09:13.920 --> 1:09:17.160 a lot of gigs. We played everywhere from between West 1:09:17.200 --> 1:09:22.800 Palm Beach to Atlanta to Chattanooga to Alabama, and you know, 1:09:22.880 --> 1:09:25.960 we play a week in Tampa, and you know, we 1:09:25.960 --> 1:09:28.519 were working. We were like a working band, and we 1:09:28.560 --> 1:09:32.479 play one nighters at the University and we played the 1:09:32.479 --> 1:09:35.280 three nights a week at the Titty Bar, and so 1:09:35.880 --> 1:09:38.720 we put in our By the time I got to California, 1:09:39.040 --> 1:09:42.080 we'd already put in our ten thousand hours for real. 1:09:42.960 --> 1:09:45.920 Okay, when you're in the band with Marty Gerard. Are 1:09:45.920 --> 1:09:47.040 you done with school? 1:09:48.400 --> 1:09:50.960 No, I'm still faking it. I'm still kind of fake 1:09:51.000 --> 1:09:51.519 in school. 1:09:52.080 --> 1:09:54.160 Okay, So you're in the band with Marty Gerard. Is 1:09:54.200 --> 1:09:56.440 that the last band before you go to California? 1:09:57.320 --> 1:09:57.639 Yes? 1:09:59.000 --> 1:10:02.240 So how do you decided? Under what aegis? Do you 1:10:02.320 --> 1:10:03.920 actually go to California? 1:10:05.439 --> 1:10:08.599 Well, the band was breaking up because Marty's pop had died, 1:10:09.360 --> 1:10:14.559 and Marty decided to make a different because I thought 1:10:14.800 --> 1:10:19.760 he was my ticket out of the ghetto. Marty was smart, talented, 1:10:20.400 --> 1:10:23.479 we still is, and you know, and he's cool, and 1:10:23.520 --> 1:10:26.120 he was older and he liked me. So I thought, Man, 1:10:26.160 --> 1:10:29.000 I'm riding Marty all the way to the show. But 1:10:29.160 --> 1:10:30.920 when Marty said, you know, I'm putting a fork in 1:10:30.920 --> 1:10:32.439 it for a minute. I'm going to go to college. 1:10:32.760 --> 1:10:34.400 You know, my pop's gone. I got to deal with 1:10:34.439 --> 1:10:38.840 some family stuff. I spent probably about a week in 1:10:38.920 --> 1:10:42.840 Florida and went, that's it, I'm out, And so I 1:10:42.920 --> 1:10:45.360 just loaded my shit up, took my share of the PA, 1:10:46.040 --> 1:10:52.120 and loaded my shit into the van and drove to California. 1:10:53.200 --> 1:10:56.240 Did you know anybody in California? Did you have any money? 1:10:56.360 --> 1:10:57.160 What was the plan? 1:10:57.960 --> 1:11:00.120 I had no money. I remember my dad loan me 1:11:00.160 --> 1:11:03.240 a hundred bucks and that was it. That was it. 1:11:03.360 --> 1:11:06.400 He was pretty disappointed in me because I think he 1:11:06.439 --> 1:11:07.920 thought I was going to get that out of my 1:11:08.080 --> 1:11:10.840 system at that point, like you probably got this oide 1:11:10.840 --> 1:11:12.800 of your system now. And he thought I was going 1:11:12.840 --> 1:11:15.120 to go to college. And I remember one of the 1:11:15.200 --> 1:11:16.960 last thing I said, Dan, I'm going to la and 1:11:17.000 --> 1:11:19.960 he goes, uh. I think his quote was great, just 1:11:19.960 --> 1:11:22.439 what the world needs another fucking out of work drummer. 1:11:24.800 --> 1:11:26.080 That's a lot of encouragement. 1:11:26.200 --> 1:11:29.320 Yeah, yeah, well he was. He he's stuck with that 1:11:29.360 --> 1:11:32.240 theme pretty good throughout the entire you know, my entire career. 1:11:32.479 --> 1:11:36.240 But it was I think he was basically scared to 1:11:36.280 --> 1:11:39.160 death of what was going to happen if it failed. 1:11:39.240 --> 1:11:44.240 I think my father was. He was, he was fear 1:11:44.240 --> 1:11:47.080 of verse. He wasn't you know, he wasn't going to 1:11:47.120 --> 1:11:49.280 go into the abyss. He was like, I'm going to 1:11:49.320 --> 1:11:51.320 get a well, hell, he had kids and a wife. 1:11:51.520 --> 1:11:53.120 He's going to get a job at the post office 1:11:53.160 --> 1:11:58.280 before he takes on something that stupid. So I went 1:11:58.320 --> 1:12:00.719 to California. I didn't have any money, but I didn't 1:12:00.760 --> 1:12:02.960 know a few people. My sister had already moved there 1:12:03.640 --> 1:12:07.240 and with her boyfriend who was later to be in 1:12:07.320 --> 1:12:11.120 the Heartbreakers. Briefly he was the guy who started the motels, 1:12:11.200 --> 1:12:15.880 Jef Gerard, and I went out there and I probably 1:12:15.960 --> 1:12:18.280 stayed with him for a for a maybe a week 1:12:18.360 --> 1:12:20.960 or two, and then I was sort of booted from 1:12:21.000 --> 1:12:24.160 their house because they didn't need me hanging around. And 1:12:24.200 --> 1:12:29.320 then I think I knew of people. I knew that 1:12:29.360 --> 1:12:33.040 the Mudcretch guys were in LA but I didn't know 1:12:33.120 --> 1:12:35.240 how to find him or didn't know where they were. 1:12:36.000 --> 1:12:41.519 But the Coconut Telegraph, the Florida Telegraph was working pretty good, 1:12:41.600 --> 1:12:44.080 like we you know, by the time I got a phone, 1:12:44.400 --> 1:12:48.040 I think I was living in a basement and one 1:12:48.040 --> 1:12:50.160 of the guys, the guys who lived up stairs, was 1:12:50.760 --> 1:12:54.080 from Gainesville and he was a singer, so he was 1:12:54.120 --> 1:12:57.519 telling me where Ron Blair was, who was living next door. 1:12:57.560 --> 1:13:00.720 And then I ran into Benmont and we would It 1:13:01.200 --> 1:13:04.360 was very natural, like we all just sort of, oh, 1:13:04.479 --> 1:13:05.519 we ran into each other. 1:13:05.720 --> 1:13:08.800 You know, Well, if you left with one hundred dollars, 1:13:08.840 --> 1:13:10.000 did you have to have a day job. 1:13:10.720 --> 1:13:12.880 I did briefly get a day job, but I was 1:13:12.920 --> 1:13:17.400 scamming a lot too. I was, uh, you know, I 1:13:17.520 --> 1:13:21.960 was not above cashing a check that wasn't mine, you know, 1:13:22.000 --> 1:13:24.080 if I found one or I was you know, the 1:13:24.120 --> 1:13:26.599 world was different. Let me put it that way, you could. 1:13:27.080 --> 1:13:30.240 I was scamming. I got food stamps, I got you know, 1:13:30.320 --> 1:13:34.679 I was a punk. But I did get a job 1:13:34.720 --> 1:13:39.559 at Peaches Records on Hollywood Boulevard. I remember, yeah, yeah, 1:13:39.600 --> 1:13:42.000 so that was cool. I got there until you know, 1:13:42.200 --> 1:13:43.600 so I worked, but I did get a real I 1:13:43.600 --> 1:13:46.479 actually got it, you know. But but fifty bucks or 1:13:46.479 --> 1:13:49.720 one hundred bucks a week was plenty, you know. 1:13:51.479 --> 1:13:53.880 Okay, but you came to be a drummer. So how 1:13:53.880 --> 1:13:55.479 were you going to further or what did you do 1:13:55.560 --> 1:13:57.040 to further your musical career? 1:13:58.000 --> 1:14:02.439 I signed up with mcs LA Musicians Contact Service for 1:14:02.560 --> 1:14:06.479 fifteen bucks a month. You could you wrote, you wrote 1:14:06.479 --> 1:14:09.720 a like on a business not a business card, an 1:14:09.760 --> 1:14:12.439 index card, and you put your thing on the wall. 1:14:13.400 --> 1:14:18.120 It would say like, you know, drummer seeking, all original seeking, 1:14:18.240 --> 1:14:23.599 you know, original band members, originals only, pros only you know, 1:14:23.760 --> 1:14:27.240 like have gig well, you know, have professional gear. And 1:14:28.040 --> 1:14:32.679 I auditioned for several bands in California and I got 1:14:32.680 --> 1:14:35.320 a job with one that was fun, a bunch of 1:14:35.360 --> 1:14:38.000 guys from Texas. I was playing with them for about 1:14:38.000 --> 1:14:41.240 a year or six maybe six months. I guess they 1:14:41.240 --> 1:14:45.160 were great, a lot of fun. And then in that 1:14:45.400 --> 1:14:50.440 time frame I met Re met Ben Monteche again, and 1:14:50.479 --> 1:14:53.000 that's when the band. That's how that all got together, 1:14:54.680 --> 1:14:55.320 well a. 1:14:55.280 --> 1:14:58.680 Little bit more granular. You reconnected with him. How did 1:14:58.720 --> 1:15:01.280 it end up being Tom Betty Heartbreakers? 1:15:02.800 --> 1:15:04.599 I think I was living in the basement. Ben came 1:15:04.640 --> 1:15:07.920 over told me mud Cretch had broken up, which was 1:15:08.040 --> 1:15:10.200 that was the band that got to They took to 1:15:10.240 --> 1:15:13.160 California and got signed. I think it all. I don't 1:15:13.240 --> 1:15:17.200 I don't know really what happened, but it it fell apart. 1:15:18.080 --> 1:15:21.919 Ben Mott was in my basement and we were probably 1:15:22.800 --> 1:15:27.080 drinking and talking and and we came up with this 1:15:27.160 --> 1:15:30.360 idea though of we both we both loved British rock. 1:15:31.000 --> 1:15:35.519 Benmont has wide ranging tastes, but we we had that 1:15:35.640 --> 1:15:39.280 in common that we both loved, like the faces and 1:15:39.400 --> 1:15:42.360 free and we both loved all of that. We loved 1:15:42.360 --> 1:15:46.680 that kind of mutt in the stones, sort of somewhat machismo, 1:15:47.720 --> 1:15:50.360 just cool. We liked all that stuff and we decided 1:15:50.360 --> 1:15:52.800 we were going to put together a band called Drunks 1:15:53.160 --> 1:15:56.960 and we were going to be like the baddest, coolest 1:15:57.479 --> 1:16:03.719 band ever. And during this, you know, fever dream somewhere along. 1:16:03.800 --> 1:16:06.639 And during that couple of days, he got studio time 1:16:07.520 --> 1:16:10.320 and we ended up in a recording studio to cut 1:16:10.360 --> 1:16:13.760 Benmont's songs. And Ben said, well, who do you want 1:16:13.800 --> 1:16:16.120 to bring? And I said, well, Ron Blair lives next door. 1:16:16.479 --> 1:16:18.479 I'd never played with Ron, but I'd hung out with 1:16:18.560 --> 1:16:23.040 him a bit and loved his record collection and he 1:16:23.160 --> 1:16:25.280 was just a cool guy. So he came to the 1:16:25.320 --> 1:16:30.360 session and Ben brought Mike. 1:16:32.120 --> 1:16:34.639 Okay, then how does it become Tom? 1:16:35.479 --> 1:16:38.000 I think Tom showed up to play harmonica at some 1:16:38.120 --> 1:16:42.600 point and I didn't really think anything of it, and then, uh, 1:16:43.680 --> 1:16:48.200 I think the next day literally Tom called me, probably 1:16:48.200 --> 1:16:51.400 called everybody, but I remember him going, you know, like Stanley, 1:16:53.240 --> 1:16:54.960 you know, what are you doing? And I said, well, 1:16:54.960 --> 1:16:56.599 I'm in a band. I'm in this band with these 1:16:56.600 --> 1:16:58.479 guys from Texas. He goes, what do you want to 1:16:58.479 --> 1:17:01.760 throw in with me? You know? And I said, well 1:17:01.760 --> 1:17:04.000 what does that mean? You know? I said, I don't 1:17:04.000 --> 1:17:05.960 want to leave a band unless I'm getting in a band. 1:17:06.640 --> 1:17:08.639 And he said, well, let's start a band. And I said, 1:17:08.640 --> 1:17:12.519 well that sounds good, and and he said, we're gonna 1:17:12.520 --> 1:17:15.200 I've got a I'm going to make an album. I've 1:17:15.200 --> 1:17:17.360 got to I guess he had a deal, you know, 1:17:17.400 --> 1:17:20.960 he still had a deal as a writer. And that's 1:17:21.000 --> 1:17:24.479 how that worked in its way into. 1:17:24.280 --> 1:17:29.800 That Okay, he makes that phone call, then what happens 1:17:30.120 --> 1:17:32.040 do you rehearse, do you go on the road, do 1:17:32.040 --> 1:17:34.639 you immediately go in the studio? How does it play out? 1:17:35.000 --> 1:17:38.800 Kind of Yes, we all got together in the at 1:17:38.920 --> 1:17:42.160 Shelter Studio, which wasn't a studio yet. It was called 1:17:42.160 --> 1:17:46.439 the Brown Room, and it was just a room on 1:17:46.560 --> 1:17:50.400 top of a like a just a room. It was terrible, 1:17:50.560 --> 1:17:52.879 you know, had Christmas lights and it was just gross. 1:17:53.400 --> 1:17:56.960 It was hot, and it was in the a ceedy 1:17:57.000 --> 1:17:59.760 part of town and just what you'd expect. And we 1:17:59.800 --> 1:18:02.519 went up there and just bashed our brains in and 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:08.320 we learned covers and we learned to communicate with each other, 1:18:08.479 --> 1:18:11.640 like we learned what we both what we all liked, like, 1:18:11.840 --> 1:18:17.080 you know, we found our common ground probably within it 1:18:17.160 --> 1:18:21.639 felt quick, but I mean I'm guessing maybe a month 1:18:22.720 --> 1:18:26.599 we found our common ground in that brown room, and 1:18:26.600 --> 1:18:29.920 and then Tom would start introducing pieces of songs that 1:18:29.960 --> 1:18:33.639 he was writing, like, you know, starting from the groove, 1:18:34.400 --> 1:18:36.040 you know, you would just say like how you know 1:18:36.080 --> 1:18:39.559 you He would just show you little snippets, and then 1:18:40.960 --> 1:18:45.240 I think this is about right chronologically, Danny Cordell said, 1:18:45.640 --> 1:18:51.280 sent me and Tom to Tulsa and we went to 1:18:51.360 --> 1:18:54.760 the church where Leon had a church and to go 1:18:54.880 --> 1:18:56.479 I guess just to go check it out. I don't 1:18:56.520 --> 1:18:58.599 even know what we were doing there, but we shared 1:18:58.600 --> 1:19:00.280 a room and we went and walked around and we 1:19:00.360 --> 1:19:03.760 recorded a song just the two of us on the 1:19:03.760 --> 1:19:05.920 first record called Luna. 1:19:05.720 --> 1:19:07.120 My favorite song on the record. 1:19:08.080 --> 1:19:11.439 We did that in some weird I don't know what 1:19:11.479 --> 1:19:13.839 the hell was going on that night. We were probably 1:19:13.840 --> 1:19:19.280 both blitzed, and who knows how that happened. And then 1:19:19.640 --> 1:19:22.400 we came back and we were started. Denny Wood if 1:19:22.400 --> 1:19:24.600 he had a we went into a proper studio. I 1:19:24.600 --> 1:19:26.760 think we went into A and M one night and 1:19:26.800 --> 1:19:29.720 cut a song. We went into other places, and then 1:19:29.840 --> 1:19:32.760 at that time the shelter was being moved to the 1:19:32.760 --> 1:19:36.720 brown room, so we had a quote recording studio to 1:19:36.880 --> 1:19:41.400 work in, and we made those first records. At least 1:19:41.439 --> 1:19:46.559 the first record was very primitive. I mean, whoa, I 1:19:46.600 --> 1:19:50.640 mean the drums are on one track, you know, like 1:19:50.720 --> 1:19:53.400 you can pull the drums out by pulling one fader, 1:19:53.439 --> 1:19:55.639 which is for those of you that don't know, that's 1:19:56.280 --> 1:20:01.439 pretty primitive recording, you know. And and we made those 1:20:01.479 --> 1:20:03.680 records almost like we didn't even know. I didn't know 1:20:03.720 --> 1:20:06.600 we were making records. I thought we were just recording. 1:20:07.080 --> 1:20:09.120 And then Denny would come in and go, oh, that 1:20:09.200 --> 1:20:11.280 sounds great. Guys, you know that's fantastic. 1:20:11.880 --> 1:20:15.439 Okay, you're throw in with Tom. He's got a deal. 1:20:16.800 --> 1:20:19.040 Do you think you hit the big time or you 1:20:19.120 --> 1:20:21.600 still I'm just figuring it out. 1:20:23.240 --> 1:20:25.599 Any day that I was moving up the food chain, 1:20:25.640 --> 1:20:28.559 I had hit the big time. Any day that I 1:20:28.640 --> 1:20:32.599 moved from shit to a little better shit, you know 1:20:32.720 --> 1:20:36.320 and a little less shit, was was almost the day 1:20:36.360 --> 1:20:37.080 I could retire. 1:20:38.400 --> 1:20:41.880 Okay, what did Denny Gordell add as a producer? 1:20:44.000 --> 1:20:51.240 Swa DIVI? You know, he had this worldly it just 1:20:51.320 --> 1:20:54.080 had this sense of him like you know, he he 1:20:54.080 --> 1:20:56.599 he had been exposed to a lot more music. Well 1:20:56.680 --> 1:20:59.479 you know his background, I'm I'm pretty sure you know. 1:20:59.560 --> 1:21:03.600 And and he had a tremendous pedigree, you know, and 1:21:04.680 --> 1:21:06.920 he turned me on to like. I remember one night 1:21:07.560 --> 1:21:10.760 they were all using these words like groove and feel, 1:21:11.000 --> 1:21:13.439 and I'm like, how do you quantify that shit? You know, 1:21:13.479 --> 1:21:16.479 like Stan, we're looking for a feel and I'm like, ah, 1:21:18.520 --> 1:21:21.519 but I remember, he said, and he just he burned 1:21:21.520 --> 1:21:24.040 this giant joint with me. And he had a Ferrari 1:21:24.120 --> 1:21:28.479 Daytona out in the parking lot and he said, get 1:21:28.479 --> 1:21:30.960 behind the wheel, and I did. I got behind the 1:21:30.960 --> 1:21:33.880 wheel and we went under the underpass. I forget in 1:21:34.040 --> 1:21:35.920 la which one, but he said, put it in a 1:21:35.960 --> 1:21:38.599 second gear and punch it. And I did. The twelve 1:21:38.680 --> 1:21:42.599 cylinder car just what you know, and he goes, he goes, 1:21:42.760 --> 1:21:46.439 that's a groove and I go that helps, and he goes. 1:21:46.640 --> 1:21:48.240 Then we went and saw it at the same night. 1:21:48.280 --> 1:21:50.439 We're stone out of our minds, or I was. We 1:21:50.520 --> 1:21:52.840 go to the Santa Marcocific and watch Bob Madley and 1:21:52.880 --> 1:21:58.760 the whalers and the place is just you know, they're hypnotized. 1:21:58.800 --> 1:22:01.639 The whole place is hypnotized. And I'm just freaking out. 1:22:01.680 --> 1:22:03.840 And he goes, he looks over me and whispers in 1:22:03.880 --> 1:22:07.160 my ear. He goes, that's a feel, Stan, and I go, 1:22:07.640 --> 1:22:11.000 there's groove and feel. So that's what Danny brought. And 1:22:11.040 --> 1:22:16.080 he brought that like how to make the intangible real 1:22:16.360 --> 1:22:18.960 to a young, a nineteen year old guy, how to 1:22:19.000 --> 1:22:22.120 make it real for you, Stan? And when I was 1:22:22.160 --> 1:22:26.280 struggling with a drum part, I remember looking at me 1:22:26.400 --> 1:22:29.120 and just blowing smoke in my face and going, you know, 1:22:29.240 --> 1:22:32.360 if you leave all that shit out, Stan, they'll always 1:22:32.400 --> 1:22:38.800 misinterpret you as tasteful. Haha. I mean so when you 1:22:38.840 --> 1:22:42.120 say what did he bring, he brought everything right, Like 1:22:42.560 --> 1:22:46.400 he the fact that he didn't fire me and just 1:22:46.400 --> 1:22:49.160 bring in Jim Calder, who was sitting there the whole time. 1:22:49.439 --> 1:22:53.680 You know, Calder and Jim Gordon were in that in 1:22:53.720 --> 1:22:56.720 his per you know, they were in his sphere. Those 1:22:56.720 --> 1:23:00.280 were his drummers. The fact that he just said, Hey, 1:23:00.360 --> 1:23:02.880 let this fucking idiot figure out how to be in 1:23:02.880 --> 1:23:05.320 a band, and I'll help him along. Jim give him 1:23:05.320 --> 1:23:08.519 a little advice, you know. And it was like, so, 1:23:10.600 --> 1:23:15.080 you know, a guy like Denny Cordell without him, I 1:23:15.080 --> 1:23:17.920 don't know if there is it's another It takes a village, 1:23:18.280 --> 1:23:18.519 you know. 1:23:26.280 --> 1:23:30.320 Let's back up for one second, you're stan Lee in 1:23:30.360 --> 1:23:34.720 an era where that's not really a hip name. What 1:23:34.840 --> 1:23:36.480 was it like growing up as Stanley? 1:23:37.120 --> 1:23:39.800 It was you know, it's just like what you just said. 1:23:39.840 --> 1:23:44.240 It was said you could say Stanley, or you can 1:23:44.400 --> 1:23:47.120 say it in a way that's just yep. You know 1:23:47.200 --> 1:23:51.639 what's coming next. You know it's a you know, I mean, 1:23:52.960 --> 1:23:54.479 it was kind of cool for a minute when it 1:23:54.520 --> 1:23:57.479 was standing man, you know, musual a right, like you know, 1:23:57.520 --> 1:23:59.519 it was cool for a minute for those of you 1:23:59.560 --> 1:24:02.360 that even know that is, but like, you know, stand 1:24:02.360 --> 1:24:06.040 the man. But then it was like, yeah, you're right Stanley. 1:24:06.240 --> 1:24:09.400 Oh oh you know whatn't I don't. 1:24:09.240 --> 1:24:14.680 Know, Okay, the first album is done before it comes out, 1:24:15.040 --> 1:24:17.800 do you guys think American Girl will be a hit? 1:24:19.200 --> 1:24:21.720 I don't even know what that means. But just so 1:24:21.840 --> 1:24:24.960 you know, when we recorded that song, one of my 1:24:25.000 --> 1:24:28.439 dear friends who I still know and love to this day, 1:24:28.800 --> 1:24:31.519 happened to be there as my buddy. He was there 1:24:31.640 --> 1:24:34.320 when we recorded that, and I remember when we played 1:24:34.320 --> 1:24:38.080 it back, I didn't really think anything. I was probably 1:24:39.320 --> 1:24:42.160 kind of so excited that I was still on the record, 1:24:42.200 --> 1:24:44.360 you know that they were liking it. But I remember 1:24:44.439 --> 1:24:47.479 him looking over. He goes, that's a hit record, and 1:24:47.520 --> 1:24:49.240 I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? He goes, 1:24:49.240 --> 1:24:51.600 that's a hit record, man, you know, And I'm like, 1:24:51.960 --> 1:24:58.200 so people knew something about that song was special before 1:24:58.240 --> 1:25:03.120 I did, you know. But I always knew that there 1:25:03.160 --> 1:25:06.960 was something big about it, you know. 1:25:07.640 --> 1:25:10.639 So the record has come out out on Shelter, which 1:25:10.680 --> 1:25:16.160 is not the most powerful record label. It's nineteen seventy six. 1:25:16.640 --> 1:25:20.559 Because Tom wears a leather jacket on the cover, people 1:25:20.760 --> 1:25:25.519 throw the Heartbreakers a little bit into a punk world, 1:25:25.720 --> 1:25:30.840 which it isn't. And because it's the era of the press, 1:25:31.360 --> 1:25:35.200 gets a lot of press, almost no action. How do 1:25:35.240 --> 1:25:37.559 you decide to go to England and how does it 1:25:37.560 --> 1:25:38.799 get traction in England? 1:25:41.040 --> 1:25:45.320 Once again entered Danny Cordell, who probably had I believe 1:25:45.400 --> 1:25:49.920 had contacts with Island Records, you know, in England. He 1:25:50.439 --> 1:25:54.800 was tight with those cats. And I think we were 1:25:54.840 --> 1:26:01.040 offered a slot in England opening for Nils Lofgren, and 1:26:01.080 --> 1:26:02.720 we went there on a wing in a prayer. I 1:26:02.720 --> 1:26:06.519 think we borrowed twenty grand from the Kiddy, you know, 1:26:06.640 --> 1:26:08.479 like we asked if we could get our hands on that. 1:26:09.479 --> 1:26:12.400 That's my memory of it. And we ended up there. 1:26:12.439 --> 1:26:15.720 You know, we flew there in each other's laps, and 1:26:16.200 --> 1:26:18.639 you know we're all living in you know, like two rooms, 1:26:19.120 --> 1:26:21.240 and off we go. 1:26:22.640 --> 1:26:25.000 Well, you know, we were reading about it across the pond. 1:26:25.600 --> 1:26:28.320 How much did you work and at what point did 1:26:28.360 --> 1:26:29.400 you say it's working? 1:26:30.800 --> 1:26:35.960 Well? England was really good to the band quick. Some 1:26:35.960 --> 1:26:38.439 something happened in England that was not happening for us 1:26:38.479 --> 1:26:42.080 anywhere else. And we opened We did that tour with 1:26:42.200 --> 1:26:45.639 Nils and we were good. That's the other thing I mean, 1:26:45.680 --> 1:26:49.920 I can honestly tell you, without Bravado, that was a 1:26:49.960 --> 1:26:52.080 fucking good band. And we knew what we were doing. 1:26:52.560 --> 1:26:55.280 We didn't know many songs, but we knew that. We 1:26:55.360 --> 1:26:57.760 knew that album, and we knew how to play it, 1:26:57.920 --> 1:27:01.120 and we knew a couple of covers, and we we 1:27:01.120 --> 1:27:04.880 were disciplined when we walked. I didn't care if if 1:27:04.880 --> 1:27:07.600 you were half dead, you went out and played a 1:27:07.640 --> 1:27:11.280 great We played great, and we did that tour with 1:27:11.360 --> 1:27:13.920 Nils and then literally we were going to come home 1:27:13.960 --> 1:27:17.280 the next night, next night and the record label said, 1:27:17.680 --> 1:27:19.960 why don't you stay in headline all those same shows 1:27:20.600 --> 1:27:22.759 that you just did. We were like, holy fuck, really, 1:27:23.200 --> 1:27:26.439 So that's how that it was that quick walking around 1:27:26.520 --> 1:27:29.679 London and seeing posters with our name on them, and 1:27:29.800 --> 1:27:32.280 you know, it was very quick. 1:27:33.520 --> 1:27:37.080 Okay, since you mentioned covers, how did you guys end 1:27:37.160 --> 1:27:39.080 up doing The Animals? Don't bring me down? 1:27:40.240 --> 1:27:43.519 We were stoned in love with the Animals, I mean 1:27:43.600 --> 1:27:45.680 the band. That was one of the things we all 1:27:45.720 --> 1:27:49.360 could agree on, like, well, there were many things like 1:27:49.479 --> 1:27:53.360 what is cool, Eric Burda The Animals, that's fucking cool. 1:27:53.920 --> 1:27:58.559 And so I didn't even know it was a goffin 1:27:58.640 --> 1:28:01.280 King song. I didn't, you know, I had know concept 1:28:01.280 --> 1:28:03.600 of who wrote this shit. I just knew that that 1:28:03.840 --> 1:28:08.400 song that whole you know, I loved every There wasn't 1:28:08.400 --> 1:28:11.760 an Animal song I didn't love. So I think the 1:28:11.800 --> 1:28:16.720 fact that Benmont could could play that correctly, and when 1:28:16.800 --> 1:28:19.000 as soon as I heard him play it, like you 1:28:19.080 --> 1:28:22.240 went game on once again. I turned to Ben and 1:28:22.280 --> 1:28:28.000 Mike because those guys had it. If they heard it, 1:28:28.040 --> 1:28:30.760 they knew it. And that was almost the concept of 1:28:30.800 --> 1:28:33.759 the everybody in that band. You didn't have to write 1:28:33.760 --> 1:28:36.439 it down, you didn't have to You heard it, you 1:28:36.520 --> 1:28:39.240 know it go and Tom had an amazing sense of 1:28:40.400 --> 1:28:45.320 retention for lyrics. I mean Jesus Christ. That song Jaguar 1:28:45.400 --> 1:28:49.519 and the t Bird, it's verbal diarrhea for three minutes 1:28:50.080 --> 1:28:55.960 and Tom remembers words. So he had a special extra 1:28:56.040 --> 1:29:00.320 chromosome that made all that work. You know, that was 1:29:00.360 --> 1:29:06.160 really beautiful like so that that the animals, no brainer? 1:29:07.200 --> 1:29:12.679 Okay. So on this side of the pond in La, 1:29:13.200 --> 1:29:15.719 which is you know, is regional radio, totally different market, 1:29:16.040 --> 1:29:20.280 they started playing a live version of Breakdown. At what 1:29:20.520 --> 1:29:29.880 point do you guys realize something is happening, quantify something, 1:29:30.160 --> 1:29:33.479 help me out here? Okay? If you were paying attention, 1:29:33.600 --> 1:29:35.840 which is not everybody, but it's a different world, either 1:29:35.840 --> 1:29:39.800 you were reading the magazines or you weren't. Okay, you 1:29:39.840 --> 1:29:42.120 know to that song original they played at k Rock 1:29:42.280 --> 1:29:46.120 was a free format station, and then you guys played 1:29:46.160 --> 1:29:48.240 the Whiskey a couple of times, which is really only 1:29:48.280 --> 1:29:51.680 three hundred and fifty people. Yeah, but there was a 1:29:51.680 --> 1:29:56.200 lot of press about it, etc. Did you guys feel like, Okay, 1:29:56.240 --> 1:29:57.280 we're on our way now. 1:29:58.160 --> 1:30:01.799 Nah. I don't think I ever thought that. I thought. 1:30:03.040 --> 1:30:10.960 I guess, okay, people Florida. Nobody in Florida had heard 1:30:11.000 --> 1:30:15.559 of us yet. So that was my litmus test in 1:30:15.600 --> 1:30:18.400 a weird way, like you know, I call home, or 1:30:18.400 --> 1:30:21.439 I call an old girlfriend, or I call somebody I knew, 1:30:21.439 --> 1:30:24.160 and they'd say like, yeah, man, we're blah blah blah, 1:30:24.160 --> 1:30:26.840 and go, oh, really, you're in a band called the 1:30:26.840 --> 1:30:30.720 the heart Heartbreaks. I haven't heard that. Or you're in 1:30:30.760 --> 1:30:34.080 a band called the Breakdowns. Oh that's cool, you know, 1:30:34.160 --> 1:30:38.320 like it'd be like, oh shit, it's not. It wasn't 1:30:38.320 --> 1:30:42.840 getting through home yet. I didn't think we'd I knew 1:30:42.880 --> 1:30:50.719 we'd connected probably by the time. That's not really your question. 1:30:50.880 --> 1:30:54.880 But Saturday Night Live the first time we played that 1:30:55.479 --> 1:30:57.840 and you walked off the stage and you walk down 1:30:57.880 --> 1:31:00.160 the street in New York City the next morning and 1:31:00.200 --> 1:31:05.120 they went yo yo yo, petty hey yo at a refugee. 1:31:05.920 --> 1:31:10.040 You know, it was like that was when to me 1:31:11.080 --> 1:31:13.320 because being on TV was a big deal back then. 1:31:13.360 --> 1:31:17.000 People don't realize that now, you know, because everybody's on 1:31:17.120 --> 1:31:20.000 fucking TV and TV you know what it was, it 1:31:20.080 --> 1:31:25.479 even mean, But back then, being on Saturday Night Live 1:31:26.640 --> 1:31:31.040 was was a big deal, and MTV was a big deal, 1:31:31.360 --> 1:31:35.519 and I think we were. I didn't. I didn't. We 1:31:35.520 --> 1:31:37.639 didn't get MTV on the West Coast. I don't think 1:31:38.240 --> 1:31:40.160 that was what was so funny. I think when it 1:31:40.200 --> 1:31:42.920 came up, I was in New York staying with a 1:31:42.960 --> 1:31:46.640 buddies place in the village, and he got MTV and 1:31:46.680 --> 1:31:48.200 I remember turned on the TV and it was like, 1:31:48.479 --> 1:31:55.479 holy shit, it's us eight times a day, you know 1:31:55.479 --> 1:31:59.400 what I mean, Like and uh and he's going like, yeah, yeah, 1:31:59.439 --> 1:32:01.639 we're all sick it, you know, like going right, of course, 1:32:01.720 --> 1:32:02.000 you know. 1:32:02.400 --> 1:32:06.240 Okay, the second album, you're gonna get it. Very good 1:32:06.280 --> 1:32:09.000 album in my own eyes, not as good as the first. 1:32:09.320 --> 1:32:09.920 Sure, you know. 1:32:10.120 --> 1:32:13.240 The big press story is listen to her hard. Tom 1:32:13.280 --> 1:32:17.759 won't let the label change the word cocaine in the band. 1:32:18.360 --> 1:32:21.040 Did you feel like you'd lost any momentum or it 1:32:21.080 --> 1:32:23.479 seem like we're still you know, we're going forward. 1:32:26.760 --> 1:32:28.679 I wish I could tell you there was any thought 1:32:28.920 --> 1:32:34.240 or any even aware self real awareness. All I knew 1:32:34.280 --> 1:32:38.840 is we were still in business, literally, like the boys 1:32:38.880 --> 1:32:41.720 from Florida were still in business, Like we got to 1:32:41.760 --> 1:32:44.599 make another record and we're actually I think we were, 1:32:45.160 --> 1:32:47.200 unless I'm mistaken. I think that was around the time 1:32:47.240 --> 1:32:53.480 we're playing like civic size gigs and we're playing the Paramount, 1:32:53.520 --> 1:32:56.360 We're playing theaters. Now I think I got a I 1:32:56.360 --> 1:32:59.960 can think I got that right, and so in my mind, 1:33:00.880 --> 1:33:05.000 we're kicking ass. So I wasn't. And I think we 1:33:05.040 --> 1:33:08.240 even had a gold record when that thing came out. 1:33:08.240 --> 1:33:10.400 I remember, yeah, there's pictures of us getting We got 1:33:10.400 --> 1:33:12.160 our gold records, and I put one on the wall. 1:33:12.640 --> 1:33:17.840 So loss of momentum contraire, I would say, in my mind, 1:33:18.560 --> 1:33:21.599 it's like the foot was on the you know, it 1:33:21.600 --> 1:33:24.000 felt like it felt like victory to me. You know, 1:33:24.000 --> 1:33:27.240 it smelled like smelled good, you know. 1:33:28.600 --> 1:33:33.439 Okay, So Shelter is sold to MCAM is very lame 1:33:33.520 --> 1:33:37.640 label at the time. Ben doesn't like that there's a 1:33:37.680 --> 1:33:41.400 declaration of bankruptcy. What does it look like from inside 1:33:41.520 --> 1:33:43.400 the hornet's nest there? 1:33:43.760 --> 1:33:45.880 Well, I think you left out ABC in there too, 1:33:45.960 --> 1:33:46.720 I think. 1:33:47.080 --> 1:33:49.800 Yeah, Well, AB Shelter had to deal with ABC, and 1:33:49.800 --> 1:33:51.599 then ABC was sold to MCA. 1:33:52.800 --> 1:33:56.280 Well, the cool thing about ABC was we met John Scott, 1:33:56.320 --> 1:33:58.479 who was the you know and that one again it 1:33:58.479 --> 1:34:02.200 takes a village. John Scott was the guy who heard break. 1:34:02.360 --> 1:34:04.240 He has certainly told me and he wrote a book 1:34:04.240 --> 1:34:09.519 about it exactly. But with all due respect, got to 1:34:09.560 --> 1:34:12.519 love that guy. Man I mean, you know anyway, Okay, 1:34:13.000 --> 1:34:14.559 like I said, it takes a village. Let me name 1:34:14.600 --> 1:34:20.760 a few people before this is over, okay, MCA. I 1:34:23.040 --> 1:34:30.559 wasn't really privy to all the bookkeeping, horror of all 1:34:30.600 --> 1:34:34.200 of that. All I knew was the bottom line that 1:34:34.240 --> 1:34:37.840 we could sell. I think it was postulated we could 1:34:37.920 --> 1:34:42.800 sell five million records and never break even. That was 1:34:42.880 --> 1:34:47.719 the log line the takeaway for me, and Tom just said, 1:34:47.720 --> 1:34:50.680 well fuck it. And I remember we were making torpedoes. 1:34:50.720 --> 1:34:57.320 We were all taking tapes and sequestering them away under 1:34:57.320 --> 1:35:00.280 weird names, and we're not even making a record, and 1:35:01.320 --> 1:35:05.920 it was, uh, it was an odd time. And then 1:35:06.000 --> 1:35:11.040 filing for bankruptcy. I think once again, Tom was a 1:35:11.120 --> 1:35:15.200 master at spinning that which to me could have been 1:35:15.240 --> 1:35:19.519 an embarrassment. That could have been embarrassing, like oh here 1:35:19.560 --> 1:35:24.320 he goes following, Tom flipped the script and made that 1:35:24.439 --> 1:35:31.040 into a on a battle, uh you know, like it 1:35:31.080 --> 1:35:36.479 was like Dave and Goliath, and he made he made 1:35:36.479 --> 1:35:39.679 it as the underdog versus the overlord. And I think 1:35:39.720 --> 1:35:42.680 that that played beautifully. And I think you know, to 1:35:42.760 --> 1:35:48.640 his credit, he never felt embarrassed or shamed by bankruptcy. 1:35:48.680 --> 1:35:50.880 He felt this is the way. This is the way 1:35:50.920 --> 1:35:55.840 it's got to be handled. That's my fifty cent tour 1:35:55.920 --> 1:35:56.120 of it. 1:35:58.520 --> 1:36:01.800 Okay, you start working with Jimmy Ivan. He'd been working 1:36:01.840 --> 1:36:04.640 with Dinny Cordell. What's it like with Jimmy and what 1:36:04.680 --> 1:36:11.640 does Jimmy do? He brought a lot of awareness. I 1:36:11.680 --> 1:36:15.360 think he was very good for Tom in his song selections. 1:36:16.160 --> 1:36:20.360 I think he pushed Tom to bring him great songs. 1:36:20.400 --> 1:36:23.760 And I think that's probably any good producer, now that 1:36:23.840 --> 1:36:26.760 I've learned the job. First order of business, do we 1:36:26.800 --> 1:36:27.679 have great songs? 1:36:28.320 --> 1:36:31.599 And I think Jimmy went right to Tom and said 1:36:32.240 --> 1:36:36.920 let me hear him, and to Tom's credit, most of 1:36:36.960 --> 1:36:43.080 them were there. He brought Shelley Acus, who was unbelievably 1:36:43.880 --> 1:36:49.240 talented engineer compared to what we had previously been dealing with, 1:36:49.280 --> 1:36:53.280 which was you know, I wouldn't have known that there 1:36:53.320 --> 1:36:56.320 was between a soup spoon and a SM fifty seven, 1:36:56.560 --> 1:37:00.439 you know what I mean. So Shelley brought all this 1:37:01.280 --> 1:37:07.920 incredible knowledge to the table microphones recording, and he even 1:37:07.920 --> 1:37:11.400 took me drum shopping, you know, literally to help me 1:37:11.439 --> 1:37:13.960 get a drum sound, because he said, your drum sound 1:37:14.200 --> 1:37:16.639 starts here. You know it starts with you and your 1:37:16.680 --> 1:37:21.040 drum sound isn't what we need. And so he literally 1:37:21.040 --> 1:37:25.040 spent three days going to music stores helping me create 1:37:25.479 --> 1:37:31.800 a sound. So Jimmy brought a lot of that New 1:37:31.880 --> 1:37:37.479 York energy hit records. He even knew what the fuck 1:37:37.520 --> 1:37:39.960 that meant, you know what I mean, he actually knew 1:37:39.960 --> 1:37:42.599 what that meant. And I believe he also knew that 1:37:43.040 --> 1:37:47.479 MTV was fixing to become the biggest radio station in 1:37:47.479 --> 1:37:50.800 the world, and he knew that Tom was going to 1:37:50.880 --> 1:37:53.519 be part of that. I think he had all He 1:37:53.560 --> 1:37:56.160 had a big picture that I certainly didn't have. 1:37:58.080 --> 1:38:05.479 Okay, damn, the Torpedo is gigantic, Okay, hard promises after 1:38:05.520 --> 1:38:07.920 that not quite as big, but the band is on 1:38:07.960 --> 1:38:12.880 an arena tour. Long after Dark not as good as 1:38:12.880 --> 1:38:16.439 the previous two From Inside the gold Mine. 1:38:16.920 --> 1:38:18.599 Do you feel like, hmm. 1:38:18.560 --> 1:38:20.200 Maybe this is going in the wrong direction or is 1:38:20.240 --> 1:38:22.479 it just another you know album you're making? 1:38:25.160 --> 1:38:29.400 You know at that point where Heart promises now no 1:38:29.960 --> 1:38:33.160 long after Dark, oh, long after Dark, I don't know. 1:38:33.360 --> 1:38:38.400 I thought from a you're you know, you've got a 1:38:38.560 --> 1:38:42.320 nice forty thousand foot view that I don't have. You 1:38:42.360 --> 1:38:44.360 know what, I mean like you're looking at it. I'm 1:38:44.360 --> 1:38:49.280 looking out at out through it. And from my perspective, 1:38:50.160 --> 1:38:54.280 it was pretty cool, you know what I mean? Literally, 1:38:54.320 --> 1:38:56.839 I don't know, like you said, we're on arena tours, 1:38:57.320 --> 1:39:00.000 there's new songs on the set list. Now there's these. 1:39:00.840 --> 1:39:04.920 I enjoyed that record more than Torpedoes because I thought 1:39:04.960 --> 1:39:10.000 the drums were more fun and more bombastic, you know, 1:39:10.080 --> 1:39:14.000 like I enjoyed like the Waiting and night Watchmen and. 1:39:14.479 --> 1:39:17.360 No, I love that album. I'm talking about the album after. 1:39:17.439 --> 1:39:22.400 Oh Long, After Dark, Right, Yeah, I kind of guess 1:39:22.400 --> 1:39:26.160 I might have felt a little bit of a you know, 1:39:26.920 --> 1:39:30.320 maybe some little like a sag is that the word? Like, 1:39:30.400 --> 1:39:35.200 you could feel like the arc is like it's well 1:39:35.439 --> 1:39:37.840 and but Tom was a very good cheerleader too, and 1:39:37.880 --> 1:39:41.320 he would say, you know, like when like you Got 1:39:41.360 --> 1:39:44.200 Lucky is a hit, and he would say, Stanley, that's 1:39:44.200 --> 1:39:47.240 going on the set list. So as long as long 1:39:47.280 --> 1:39:50.639 as we were thinking about the live gig, my life 1:39:50.760 --> 1:39:54.400 was made. That was my depth of my awareness at 1:39:54.600 --> 1:39:56.439 how old a guy I was at that point, you know, 1:39:56.479 --> 1:39:59.559 my late twenties. Was like we're gonna tour, you mean, 1:39:59.560 --> 1:40:01.479 we're gonna go go on the road again. 1:40:02.320 --> 1:40:10.040 Right, okay, But then you switch everything up, you know, 1:40:10.439 --> 1:40:13.680 more time goes by two and a half years. You 1:40:13.760 --> 1:40:16.800 start working with Dave Stewart, who's hot with the rhythmics. 1:40:17.240 --> 1:40:22.599 You put out an album that whatever people's expectations are, 1:40:23.160 --> 1:40:26.840 suddenly it's played on MTV and the band is as 1:40:26.880 --> 1:40:29.760 big as it ever was, if not bigger. So what 1:40:29.960 --> 1:40:31.479 was the view from inside there? 1:40:34.000 --> 1:40:38.200 God? I was such a simpleton. I mean, I wish 1:40:38.200 --> 1:40:41.960 you could the guy you're talking to you right now 1:40:42.040 --> 1:40:49.439 is not that guy. So that guy was probably thinking, boy, 1:40:49.439 --> 1:40:54.080 the girl in the video is really cute. We're getting 1:40:54.080 --> 1:40:59.760 to make videos. This is awesome. I got a nice car. 1:41:02.800 --> 1:41:06.479 I was such a bonehead. But you know what, I 1:41:06.720 --> 1:41:09.560 think I was actually the perfect drummer at that point. 1:41:09.720 --> 1:41:11.800 I was exactly what you'd expect out of a rock 1:41:11.840 --> 1:41:16.200 and roll drummer in his late twenties experiencing success. So 1:41:16.240 --> 1:41:20.320 from my perspective, it was Alfredy Newman, What me worry? 1:41:20.800 --> 1:41:25.479 You know, It's like, so what did Dave Stewart add 1:41:25.520 --> 1:41:27.760 to the bis? Dave was cool, you know, it was 1:41:27.800 --> 1:41:30.360 like not really my cup of tea for the band. 1:41:31.120 --> 1:41:36.280 I didn't understand, like, you know, I cool guy, I 1:41:36.280 --> 1:41:38.600 mean really cool guy, but I didn't understand what he 1:41:38.640 --> 1:41:42.760 was doing with our band. To me, we were a 1:41:42.760 --> 1:41:45.760 gang and I don't under you know, I would never 1:41:45.840 --> 1:41:48.040 understand why any people were in our gang that weren't 1:41:48.560 --> 1:41:51.760 in our gang. You know, so Dave. But but I 1:41:51.760 --> 1:41:54.680 played on a record. Dave had me play on a 1:41:54.880 --> 1:41:57.040 sisters are doing It for themselves that you're you know 1:41:57.040 --> 1:42:02.280 e rhythmic Aretha and I Love on a session four Dave. 1:42:03.040 --> 1:42:05.519 He was very exciting. I didn't understand what he was 1:42:05.520 --> 1:42:08.479 doing in our band, but that was but Tom loved it. 1:42:08.600 --> 1:42:11.960 He was having fun. So what am I gonna say? Great? 1:42:13.479 --> 1:42:16.559 Okay? What was it like touring with Dylan? 1:42:17.360 --> 1:42:24.679 Oh? Man? Uh? That was the high point of drumming 1:42:24.720 --> 1:42:27.880 for me? It was It was never as good and 1:42:27.920 --> 1:42:30.439 it will probably never be that good again because that 1:42:30.600 --> 1:42:35.439 was a high, total high for me. And what was 1:42:35.479 --> 1:42:39.720 it like? It was like a high wire act every night, 1:42:40.760 --> 1:42:44.760 but knowing you were gonna, you were gonna, you were 1:42:44.760 --> 1:42:49.200 gonna connect it was but every night was shot from 1:42:49.200 --> 1:42:51.680 a cannon. I don't even know we're gonna what we're 1:42:51.680 --> 1:42:58.000 gonna do, but it was. He was amazing, the most soulful, fearless, 1:42:59.680 --> 1:43:03.679 uh rock star. I've ever had the pleasure of looking 1:43:03.680 --> 1:43:07.599 at it, at his ass, you know, from like that 1:43:07.640 --> 1:43:10.519 guy is the shit. That's all I remember thinking. And 1:43:10.600 --> 1:43:15.519 I wasn't enamored when we started. I became a fan 1:43:16.760 --> 1:43:21.360 as we played with him. I missed Bob the first time. 1:43:21.400 --> 1:43:26.479 I was so stupid I missed it. But boy did 1:43:26.520 --> 1:43:29.080 I get it when we were on the road with him. 1:43:29.680 --> 1:43:33.960 That guy taught me that you know it's your way 1:43:34.720 --> 1:43:36.559 or if you ain't doing your thing, you're doing somebody 1:43:36.560 --> 1:43:39.080 else's thing. And he was the shit. 1:43:40.680 --> 1:43:42.800 Okay, I know people have been on the road with Bob, 1:43:42.880 --> 1:43:46.280 worked with Bob. They're on a thirty day tour. He 1:43:46.400 --> 1:43:50.080 nods to them, doesn't he really even talk to him? 1:43:50.120 --> 1:43:51.320 What was your experience? 1:43:52.080 --> 1:43:59.400 Extremely personable, he talked a lot. We actually kind of 1:43:59.479 --> 1:44:03.200 hung out, like we we went and saw Frank Sinatra 1:44:03.240 --> 1:44:06.479 and Sammy Davis together. Like I won't say that we 1:44:06.479 --> 1:44:09.120 were like asshole buddy, he's I mean, I don't think 1:44:09.160 --> 1:44:11.080 he needed an asshole. He didn't need a new friend. 1:44:11.120 --> 1:44:14.520 He was, but I think he he was extremely tolerant 1:44:14.640 --> 1:44:20.200 of this bombastic load of shit that was playing behind him. 1:44:20.240 --> 1:44:22.240 The whole time, and he said, I think he kind 1:44:22.240 --> 1:44:24.640 of got a kick out of it. I think, you know, 1:44:24.720 --> 1:44:28.800 I never asked him, but I got great feedback from him. 1:44:30.080 --> 1:44:34.160 Uh uh. He was funny. He's funny as shit. Man. 1:44:34.200 --> 1:44:37.800 He was personal nice to my mother. 1:44:39.720 --> 1:44:44.400 Well, can you say, Okay, are you the type of guy, 1:44:45.720 --> 1:44:49.240 because you're verbal and agreeable, that you're the one who's 1:44:49.240 --> 1:44:51.800 gonna make the friends with Bob Dylan or you just 1:44:51.880 --> 1:44:53.000 want to five friends of. 1:44:52.960 --> 1:44:59.320 Bob Dylan and the band? Good question. I I just 1:44:59.360 --> 1:45:02.639 did what felt natural, Like if Bob and I were 1:45:02.640 --> 1:45:05.519 in the room, I'm going to start talking, you know, 1:45:05.600 --> 1:45:07.320 I'm gonna and if he doesn't want to talk, he'll 1:45:07.360 --> 1:45:12.000 walk away. I mean, I don't know. I don't think 1:45:12.040 --> 1:45:17.599 Bob is that concerned with everybody else. I think if 1:45:17.640 --> 1:45:19.200 Bob was in the mood to say hi to me, 1:45:19.280 --> 1:45:21.160 he would then, and if he was in the mood 1:45:21.200 --> 1:45:23.360 to make a joke, he'd make a joke. And and 1:45:23.439 --> 1:45:25.839 if he was in the mood to be jocular on stage, 1:45:26.880 --> 1:45:29.240 I don't think he premeditates. He's not a lot of 1:45:29.280 --> 1:45:34.000 showbiz in Bob. You know, there's like a I think 1:45:34.040 --> 1:45:40.639 it's his personality off stage and on stage, I don't 1:45:40.680 --> 1:45:44.840 know that the veneer. It's very thin between them, if 1:45:44.880 --> 1:45:50.480 there is one at all, it's like, eh, but yeah, 1:45:51.000 --> 1:45:55.120 I found him to be hysterical and uh, I loved it, 1:45:55.120 --> 1:45:56.920 and we got to go places I would have never 1:45:57.000 --> 1:45:58.400 gone if it hadn't been for Bob. 1:45:58.520 --> 1:46:04.120 You know, Okay, you know people make movies, go on 1:46:04.160 --> 1:46:07.679 the road with people, best buddies. They never see him again. 1:46:08.240 --> 1:46:10.719 You ever hear from or run into Bob Dylan again. 1:46:11.600 --> 1:46:14.120 It's been ages, but I got to say. When Sammy 1:46:14.200 --> 1:46:17.679 Davis died, he left a message on my answering machine 1:46:17.680 --> 1:46:21.960 that touched me. And I got a Christmas card from 1:46:22.000 --> 1:46:26.200 Bob oddly enough once where he had He was so sweet, 1:46:26.320 --> 1:46:31.160 and I felt that maybe I I didn't know how 1:46:31.160 --> 1:46:35.040 to respond. I was, Oh, I was, and still am 1:46:35.400 --> 1:46:39.640 in over my head how I would or why I 1:46:39.680 --> 1:46:41.599 would reach out, or if he would even give a shit. 1:46:42.080 --> 1:46:46.559 But I've always sent messages through his manager or anyone 1:46:46.880 --> 1:46:50.160 near him. Please tell him I love him, tell him, 1:46:50.240 --> 1:46:52.920 I hope he's well, and you know, because I mean it. 1:46:52.920 --> 1:46:57.920 It's like, but no, no, I don't think, no, I 1:46:57.920 --> 1:46:59.760 don't know. We're not communicating. 1:47:08.640 --> 1:47:13.439 Okay, it ends with the Heartbreakers. You're now Stan Lynch, 1:47:13.800 --> 1:47:16.280 How do you pick yourself up? And where do you 1:47:16.360 --> 1:47:16.960 go from there? 1:47:19.080 --> 1:47:24.759 I was very fortunate. Probably within about two days of sitting, 1:47:25.600 --> 1:47:27.559 you know, in my house, just kind of going what 1:47:27.600 --> 1:47:30.519 the fuck is going to happen? The phone rings and 1:47:30.560 --> 1:47:34.240 it's Don Henley and it's like, he goes, you know, hey, Bud, 1:47:34.280 --> 1:47:36.240 what are you doing? And I'm like, I don't know. 1:47:36.560 --> 1:47:38.880 He goes, you know, he basically like I heard, you know, 1:47:39.360 --> 1:47:42.759 that's Don. It's always pretty curt very short, and I heard, 1:47:43.720 --> 1:47:46.040 you know, what are you doing? I go, and he goes, 1:47:46.160 --> 1:47:49.360 We'll get your ass on a plane, put your studio 1:47:49.400 --> 1:47:51.120 in a bunch of boxes and get it out of here. 1:47:51.560 --> 1:47:53.560 I go, what's going on? He goes, I'm putting the 1:47:53.600 --> 1:47:56.439 Eagles back together, and I need a song and I 1:47:56.479 --> 1:47:58.960 want you to help. You know, see what you got. 1:47:58.960 --> 1:48:00.160 I want to see if you got a song for 1:48:00.200 --> 1:48:05.920 the band. So I went from like fucked beyond belief 1:48:06.560 --> 1:48:10.800 to wow, my big brother calledy has something for me 1:48:10.840 --> 1:48:13.880 to do. So it went. It was it was a 1:48:13.920 --> 1:48:17.120 complete like I went through I shot through a door 1:48:17.400 --> 1:48:23.920 courtesy of Don and ended up at his place writing songs. 1:48:25.240 --> 1:48:27.759 Well, you have a song on the Health Wheezys Over album, 1:48:28.280 --> 1:48:31.200 but from the moment you get on the plane, how 1:48:31.280 --> 1:48:33.200 much work is there with How long did that period 1:48:33.240 --> 1:48:37.759 of time Health wheeze Is Over last for you? Before 1:48:37.800 --> 1:48:40.679 that happened, before the No No no, once it started. 1:48:40.720 --> 1:48:44.120 Once you came to LA, come to write songs. You know, 1:48:44.160 --> 1:48:46.040 you can write song in a day and go home. 1:48:46.320 --> 1:48:48.160 You can write song, can make a record of be 1:48:48.160 --> 1:48:50.559 a year. I mean, how long were you out working 1:48:50.600 --> 1:48:52.080 on that before you had to figure out what we're 1:48:52.080 --> 1:48:52.719 going to do next? 1:48:53.080 --> 1:48:56.120 Oh well, one thing leads to another, Work leads to work, 1:48:56.160 --> 1:49:00.360 work begets work. So with Down, I went out there 1:49:00.400 --> 1:49:04.240 and you know, I wrote a lot of stuff that 1:49:04.320 --> 1:49:08.360 didn't connect with him. He didn't like it great, but 1:49:08.600 --> 1:49:12.080 you know, you go through your process and then one 1:49:12.120 --> 1:49:14.439 thing did connect and the next thing he said was 1:49:14.439 --> 1:49:18.760 wanting you come co produce it. So I went to 1:49:18.920 --> 1:49:26.040 LA and started writing with Don, and then probably an 1:49:26.080 --> 1:49:30.160 album came up after that. Like I would just I 1:49:30.240 --> 1:49:34.479 stayed in gear. I never stopped really with with Don 1:49:34.520 --> 1:49:36.920 and with other people. It's just one thing led to 1:49:36.960 --> 1:49:39.559 another and I just stayed working. 1:49:41.280 --> 1:49:42.400 Well, how busy were you. 1:49:44.080 --> 1:49:45.280 As much as I could stand. 1:49:46.800 --> 1:49:49.840 And you talk about having a staff writing deal with John, 1:49:50.600 --> 1:49:51.679 how did that come together? 1:49:52.080 --> 1:49:55.639 Well, when I throughout with the Heartbreakers, I always had 1:49:55.640 --> 1:49:59.800 a publishing deal is what they called him, and you 1:49:59.840 --> 1:50:02.920 were a staff writer essentially, you know. And I probably 1:50:02.920 --> 1:50:07.680 had been through six or seven publishing companies by the 1:50:07.760 --> 1:50:12.960 time I stopped doing that, So I was always a writer. 1:50:13.680 --> 1:50:17.880 Somebody had my my publishing, you know. I made a 1:50:17.880 --> 1:50:22.200 series of goofy deals until finally Wickson said, quit making deals. 1:50:22.320 --> 1:50:24.800 We're going to get all your shit back and we're 1:50:24.800 --> 1:50:28.240 going to administrate it correctly, and we're going to organize you. 1:50:28.720 --> 1:50:31.479 And I'm not quite sure if that answers your question. 1:50:32.960 --> 1:50:37.240 Well, you said that when you met John, it sounded 1:50:37.280 --> 1:50:39.479 like you were one thing to have a publishing deal. 1:50:39.760 --> 1:50:42.000 It's another thing where they give you money every week. 1:50:42.520 --> 1:50:44.200 So I guess I thought it was the kind of 1:50:44.200 --> 1:50:47.160 deal where hey, you know, we'll pay you write a 1:50:47.160 --> 1:50:50.200 certain number of songs other people try to get covers. 1:50:50.680 --> 1:50:52.439 Or is it just like, hey, you have a deal, 1:50:52.479 --> 1:50:53.519 like you always have a deal. 1:50:54.040 --> 1:50:57.080 It's the deals were there's every kind of deal. It 1:50:57.120 --> 1:50:59.120 depends on how hungry you are and how broke you are, 1:50:59.560 --> 1:51:01.880 Like you can make co publishing deals where they give 1:51:01.920 --> 1:51:05.800 you an advance annually and then they own pieces of 1:51:05.840 --> 1:51:08.760 it for a certain amount of time. It's very complicated. 1:51:08.800 --> 1:51:10.920 And that's where I said, like this guy Wicks and 1:51:11.120 --> 1:51:15.160 Randall came in with an army of lawyers and figured 1:51:15.160 --> 1:51:17.840 out my trail of tears for the last twenty five 1:51:17.920 --> 1:51:21.160 years of publishing, and you know, and got it all 1:51:21.240 --> 1:51:24.400 back for me. But with John and I, we happened 1:51:24.400 --> 1:51:28.200 to both be in Nashville writing for separate companies. He 1:51:28.360 --> 1:51:30.640 was with I think Pierce Southern. I might have been 1:51:30.680 --> 1:51:35.439 with Warner Chapel, and we were both just writing songs 1:51:35.439 --> 1:51:36.160 for other people. 1:51:37.560 --> 1:51:40.920 Okay, you end up having a country hit with Tim McGraw. 1:51:40.960 --> 1:51:41.839 How does that happen? 1:51:42.360 --> 1:51:42.880 I don't know. 1:51:43.280 --> 1:51:49.920 You tell me, I mean it, I don't know, dude. Well, 1:51:50.000 --> 1:51:52.519 let me ask you. You know, in Nashville they have 1:51:52.680 --> 1:51:56.479 these writing sessions. Yes, how was the song written? And 1:51:56.600 --> 1:51:58.040 how long until it got to Tim? 1:51:59.680 --> 1:52:04.439 Relatively quickly? I mean it was we were we were 1:52:04.439 --> 1:52:06.639 all thrown together. There was a guy I was working 1:52:06.640 --> 1:52:09.080 with who I had known pretty well, and it was 1:52:09.800 --> 1:52:13.080 we got together and we wrote one afternoon, but probably 1:52:13.120 --> 1:52:15.800 wrote three songs is what you do in Nashville. You know, 1:52:15.880 --> 1:52:18.439 you you write a lot of songs, which is not 1:52:18.680 --> 1:52:21.920 what I do, but when you're in Nashville, you do it. 1:52:22.320 --> 1:52:24.720 And we wrote, then you demo. At the end of 1:52:24.720 --> 1:52:29.080 the week, we demoed the song and I think we 1:52:29.160 --> 1:52:33.679 played for the publisher. Now at that point, I was gone, shit, 1:52:33.760 --> 1:52:36.599 I just wrote I was out of there. And then 1:52:38.680 --> 1:52:40.439 I think I got the call from my Cope part, 1:52:40.680 --> 1:52:43.679 my Cope writer on that, and he said, yeah, it's 1:52:43.680 --> 1:52:47.200 on hold for McGraw and I'm like, eh, cool, whatever 1:52:47.240 --> 1:52:51.040 that means. And then he said, oh, yeah McGraw cut it. Well, 1:52:51.040 --> 1:52:53.280 whatever that means, because you could probably cut fifty songs. 1:52:53.280 --> 1:52:55.080 And I make the you know, it's like all this 1:52:55.240 --> 1:52:57.640 is all and then he goes, I think it's just 1:52:57.880 --> 1:53:01.040 it's going to be a single. I'm like what. And 1:53:01.080 --> 1:53:03.360 then it was like then Steven's called me when he 1:53:03.400 --> 1:53:06.000 goes Son of a Bitch went to number one. So 1:53:06.080 --> 1:53:07.960 I flew to I flew to Nashville and we drove 1:53:08.000 --> 1:53:10.439 around of the car till we heard it together, which 1:53:10.479 --> 1:53:11.160 was really fun. 1:53:13.200 --> 1:53:15.760 Okay, let's go back with Don Henley. You know he 1:53:16.439 --> 1:53:19.160 reaches out after you lose your gig with the Heartbreakers, 1:53:19.520 --> 1:53:21.679 but you worked with him on a second and third 1:53:21.720 --> 1:53:24.719 solo albums and have songwriting credits. How did that come together? 1:53:27.920 --> 1:53:32.719 Because he's a he's a good dude, and he must 1:53:32.800 --> 1:53:37.320 have seen he saw something in me that he felt 1:53:37.920 --> 1:53:41.479 it was entertaining, and he really trained me into the 1:53:41.520 --> 1:53:46.320 discipline of writing. Like my first writing with Henley came 1:53:46.360 --> 1:53:50.320 from Danny Kortzmeyer introduced me to Don. Danny and I 1:53:50.400 --> 1:53:53.920 became friends and Don Danny said, come down. He's producing 1:53:54.000 --> 1:53:58.439 Don's second album, and he said, you know you should 1:53:58.960 --> 1:54:00.760 come down, you know, come down, you know, hang out 1:54:00.800 --> 1:54:03.320 and hang out with us. And in the process, Dany 1:54:03.320 --> 1:54:05.920 said something funny to Don, like, you know, you should 1:54:05.960 --> 1:54:08.680 get together with this guy. He's funny. And Don's like, 1:54:08.680 --> 1:54:10.599 oh yeah, what's he got, you know? And they gave 1:54:10.680 --> 1:54:15.479 me a track and uh and and I wrote words 1:54:15.720 --> 1:54:19.200 like and you know, Don corrected my spelling literally like 1:54:19.280 --> 1:54:21.479 before he would even read it. He remember him saying, 1:54:21.720 --> 1:54:25.360 you know, you can't read. He goes, can you fucking read? 1:54:25.840 --> 1:54:27.400 And I remember going like, oh JESU, this is the 1:54:27.439 --> 1:54:29.880 most embarrassing day of my life. And he was like, Tony, 1:54:30.120 --> 1:54:32.560 get this idiot. Some books. You know, he needs to 1:54:32.600 --> 1:54:35.760 read these books. And you know, Stan, you're smart, but 1:54:35.840 --> 1:54:41.680 you you're basically a functional illiterate. And so Don took 1:54:41.720 --> 1:54:45.960 me under his wing and taught me how to co write, 1:54:46.120 --> 1:54:49.400 you know, essentially for him for his process. He said, 1:54:49.640 --> 1:54:51.920 here's what I need, here's how it works for me. 1:54:52.520 --> 1:54:56.800 And that's not universal, that's very specific for Don. And 1:54:56.800 --> 1:55:00.160 and he's, uh, but what an education? What an And 1:55:00.480 --> 1:55:04.480 that's an invitation only room. You know, you don't invite 1:55:04.480 --> 1:55:08.080 yourself to co write with people like that. You just 1:55:08.400 --> 1:55:11.440 you wait and if they invite you. And he's invited 1:55:11.480 --> 1:55:19.160 me pretty much every time since his second solo to try, Hey, 1:55:19.240 --> 1:55:22.000 pony up, there's no guarantee, Stan, pony up? What do 1:55:22.040 --> 1:55:27.680 you got? And then the last few records we've co 1:55:27.800 --> 1:55:32.440 produced together and it's been great. I mean, what an education? 1:55:32.760 --> 1:55:33.560 What an education? 1:55:34.560 --> 1:55:39.840 Okay? On the two thousand album, you know, Inside Job, 1:55:39.960 --> 1:55:44.440 which I love, not as commercially successful as the one before. Sure, 1:55:44.640 --> 1:55:47.840 my favorite song on that album is My Thanksgiving. You 1:55:47.840 --> 1:55:50.840 have a writing credit on that. Can you tell me 1:55:50.880 --> 1:55:55.200 what you did on that? If you can remember music music? 1:55:55.520 --> 1:55:58.960 Basically, I think I had a twelve string guitar that day, 1:56:00.040 --> 1:56:05.920 and and Jay Winding was there and he's these guys 1:56:05.920 --> 1:56:08.200 are really talented, by the way, you know, when I 1:56:08.240 --> 1:56:12.480 say Jay Winding, it's like for those that don't know shit, 1:56:13.640 --> 1:56:16.240 these guys are top, top drawer. And he had a 1:56:16.280 --> 1:56:19.200 relationship with Don, and we were all in the room 1:56:19.400 --> 1:56:23.000 massaging chord changes and Don would say, I like that, 1:56:23.200 --> 1:56:25.240 I like where that's going, I like how that feels. 1:56:25.560 --> 1:56:28.040 And Jay would say, you know, hey, what if we 1:56:28.080 --> 1:56:31.720 do this? And we were three on a match. That's 1:56:31.720 --> 1:56:34.800 really what it was all reassuring each other that's going 1:56:34.880 --> 1:56:37.160 to be cool, you know, But I agree, you know. 1:56:37.200 --> 1:56:43.200 But but Don's Don's gift is well, he's got a 1:56:43.240 --> 1:56:47.520 few but that he can phrase, and he can convey emotion, 1:56:48.040 --> 1:56:50.320 and he's a poet. 1:56:51.120 --> 1:56:55.839 Okay, the average person doesn't know how the music business 1:56:55.960 --> 1:56:59.000 really works. But if your name is not on the 1:56:59.040 --> 1:57:03.280 record and you want to work, you got to hustle. 1:57:03.880 --> 1:57:07.560 You gotta keep relationships. Obviously, you make friends, create opportunities. 1:57:07.960 --> 1:57:10.120 But once you were on your own, starting in the 1:57:10.160 --> 1:57:13.200 mid nineties, to what degree did you work it and 1:57:13.280 --> 1:57:16.640 still work it? 1:57:16.720 --> 1:57:18.880 Was I still working in the nineties. 1:57:18.960 --> 1:57:24.560 No, No, okay, let's talk about people further down the 1:57:24.600 --> 1:57:27.000 food chain from you, someone who goes on the road 1:57:27.080 --> 1:57:29.400 playing with the band, but it's not a member of 1:57:29.400 --> 1:57:29.800 the band. 1:57:30.040 --> 1:57:30.760 Ah. 1:57:30.840 --> 1:57:35.480 Okay, that person is keeping up relationships twenty four to seven, 1:57:35.760 --> 1:57:38.880 sure because they know this job is gonna end. I'm 1:57:38.880 --> 1:57:44.280 gonna need another job. Okay, you've been independent for thirty years. 1:57:44.720 --> 1:57:48.120 To what degree are you working at networking? And make 1:57:48.200 --> 1:57:50.400 sure that you have enough work or is it always 1:57:50.480 --> 1:57:51.280 just falling in your. 1:57:51.280 --> 1:57:57.640 Left I can honestly tell you I have no hustle. 1:57:58.720 --> 1:58:04.600 I don't. I never had a manager, you know I didn't. 1:58:04.600 --> 1:58:09.000 I have no social media presence. I reach I work, 1:58:10.240 --> 1:58:13.360 I think around after my tenure with the group, I 1:58:13.480 --> 1:58:18.680 decided subconsciously I would only work with friends. I'm only 1:58:18.680 --> 1:58:21.400 going to work with people who like me or I 1:58:21.520 --> 1:58:26.360 like them. And it became more like a canoe trip metaphorically, 1:58:26.760 --> 1:58:30.240 like music for me was like, I'm not getting into 1:58:30.240 --> 1:58:32.760 the canoe with an asshole or somebody that's just gonna 1:58:32.800 --> 1:58:35.080 yell at me. I'm gonna go get in the river 1:58:35.400 --> 1:58:38.240 and we're gonna paddle together and we're gonna laugh, and 1:58:38.280 --> 1:58:40.800 if we get somewhere cool, we're gonna pull over to 1:58:40.840 --> 1:58:43.960 the side. And eat, and it's like, I've been really 1:58:44.400 --> 1:58:49.200 fortunate that I haven't had that experience where I've had 1:58:49.240 --> 1:58:52.960 to be what's gonna happen next, Shit, this gig's gonna end. 1:58:53.440 --> 1:58:55.760 I was almost grateful when a gig ended because I 1:58:55.800 --> 1:59:00.520 needed the break. Like, you know, those Don Henley records stressful. 1:59:00.520 --> 1:59:04.040 They're stressful for Don, they're stressful for me. They're stressful 1:59:04.640 --> 1:59:09.120 because he has a high bar. He's hard on himself, 1:59:09.960 --> 1:59:16.280 so he demands everybody bring their best game and he's 1:59:16.280 --> 1:59:19.680 disappointed if you don't. So there's a lot of stress 1:59:20.680 --> 1:59:22.880 when you work with someone of you know, that kind 1:59:22.880 --> 1:59:25.920 of heat. So when those records would come to an end, 1:59:26.320 --> 1:59:28.640 I would honestly go home and sit on the beach 1:59:30.040 --> 1:59:34.400 for six weeks grill and chicken and drinking a bottle 1:59:34.400 --> 1:59:38.920 of wine, going, oh great, you know, it felt like 1:59:38.960 --> 1:59:43.760 a tour, you know. So I've been very fortunate that 1:59:43.840 --> 1:59:49.520 it's the work has been there with the people I 1:59:49.560 --> 1:59:50.280 love to work with. 1:59:51.800 --> 1:59:56.080 Okay, outside of your village where you live, to what 1:59:56.240 --> 1:59:59.000 degree is Stan Lench recognized? 2:00:03.000 --> 2:00:06.280 Nil? You know, my body is, my physical presence has 2:00:06.360 --> 2:00:09.480 changed so dramatically. You know, it's like, you know, I'm 2:00:09.480 --> 2:00:11.920 a grown man. I mean I was, I was a 2:00:11.960 --> 2:00:14.440 boy when I was in the Heartbreakers, you know, I 2:00:14.920 --> 2:00:18.160 you know, like, you know, the most important thing you 2:00:18.160 --> 2:00:20.680 can be in your twenties and thirties is is good looking. 2:00:22.640 --> 2:00:25.480 You know, in your forties and fifties, you better be 2:00:26.480 --> 2:00:31.520 smart and you know, and and hopefully rich whatever that means, 2:00:31.560 --> 2:00:34.480 you know, accomplished, you know, and by the time you're 2:00:34.520 --> 2:00:37.360 my age, you know, you don't trade on any of 2:00:37.400 --> 2:00:40.480 the same things that I traded on as a kid. 2:00:40.600 --> 2:00:44.360 I now I trade on you know, joy and created, 2:00:44.480 --> 2:00:48.800 creativity and and you know, I trade in those areas now, 2:00:48.920 --> 2:00:53.040 Like so I'm not. I'm It's not that I feel 2:00:53.080 --> 2:00:55.000 like I've made it. It's more like I feel like 2:00:55.040 --> 2:00:56.960 I don't. The only thing I got to prove is 2:00:57.000 --> 2:01:01.200 to the people that that respect me. And most of 2:01:01.240 --> 2:01:03.240 the people I'm trying to impress are dead. 2:01:03.960 --> 2:01:08.520 You know, who are you trying to press? Who's dead? 2:01:09.080 --> 2:01:11.840 Oh jeez, I'd love to impress John Lennon, you know, 2:01:11.920 --> 2:01:15.720 I'd love to impress you know, I shoot, I'd love 2:01:15.760 --> 2:01:18.360 to impress Charlie Watts. I'd love to impress Brian Jones, 2:01:18.720 --> 2:01:22.000 you know, I mean, there's so many it's like, you know, 2:01:22.160 --> 2:01:25.160 like my heroes, most of the heroes i've you know, 2:01:25.280 --> 2:01:28.240 they were older than me, so therefore they've moved on. 2:01:28.760 --> 2:01:32.240 And those are the people in my jury. Now when 2:01:32.240 --> 2:01:36.120 I'm working, I'm going, you know, Charlie Watts would go, no, man, 2:01:36.440 --> 2:01:39.920 that's not swinging, get the fuck out of here, or uh, 2:01:40.240 --> 2:01:42.760 you know. And I'm lucky, like you know, I still 2:01:42.760 --> 2:01:45.680 have friendships with the people I admire, like you know, 2:01:45.720 --> 2:01:48.680 like Steve Lucather. He'll call me and goes, Stanley, let's 2:01:48.960 --> 2:01:50.960 let's work on a tune. And I'm like, are you 2:01:51.000 --> 2:01:51.480 shitting me? 2:01:51.520 --> 2:01:51.640 Man? 2:01:51.680 --> 2:01:55.160 Of course I will, you know, and you know, and 2:01:55.520 --> 2:01:59.920 you know Luke so I mean, how he's a fucking bonfire. 2:02:00.200 --> 2:02:02.640 Just stand next to you know, like you want to 2:02:02.680 --> 2:02:07.400 get warm, Call Luke. It's like you're on fire by 2:02:07.480 --> 2:02:10.000 the time you hang off the phone. And that's how 2:02:10.000 --> 2:02:14.560 I feel about the people. Well, hell, one hundred percent 2:02:14.600 --> 2:02:17.160 of them now are that way from me, because otherwise 2:02:18.560 --> 2:02:20.440 I don't answer their calls and they don't they don't 2:02:20.440 --> 2:02:23.800 call me. We turn each other on. And that's why 2:02:24.280 --> 2:02:30.880 I'm maintaining these kind of friendships business relationships. There there's 2:02:31.040 --> 2:02:36.120 very it's all messed up, you know, as fucked up 2:02:36.160 --> 2:02:38.760 as music is it as fucked up as the sounds. 2:02:38.840 --> 2:02:41.160 It's my social life. 2:02:42.560 --> 2:02:44.680 I know what you're talking about. Okay, So the speaker 2:02:44.720 --> 2:02:48.160 Wars albums coming out, YEP, it could set the world 2:02:48.240 --> 2:02:52.760 on fire. You say you're managing your expectations. Let's assume 2:02:52.880 --> 2:02:55.920 that you have some you know, are you saying, I'm 2:02:55.920 --> 2:02:59.120 committed no matter what happens, We're going to make another 2:02:59.200 --> 2:03:02.320 second record. This is another record of second record. This 2:03:02.400 --> 2:03:06.440 is a band. We're saying, this is what I'm doing now, all. 2:03:06.320 --> 2:03:08.240 Of the above. It's like we're John and I are 2:03:08.240 --> 2:03:11.200 always writing songs. We've we've already got a we've got 2:03:11.240 --> 2:03:14.880 a chest full to look at for another record already 2:03:14.880 --> 2:03:18.120 which will be better than this record, because that's the evolution. 2:03:19.600 --> 2:03:23.240 I feel like with this band, we're putting a like 2:03:23.760 --> 2:03:28.160 us like a bookmark in the in our lives right now. 2:03:28.160 --> 2:03:30.720 We're kind of going, this is what we can do 2:03:30.880 --> 2:03:34.360 today with given what we had to work with. If 2:03:34.360 --> 2:03:37.840 we get another shot, it'll be better because that's what 2:03:37.880 --> 2:03:41.560 we do, you get better. And I'm looking forward to 2:03:41.760 --> 2:03:46.600 hopefully getting a shot at playing so we can evolve 2:03:46.760 --> 2:03:49.040 more as a band, and that will allow us to 2:03:49.080 --> 2:03:52.919 record more as a band. So I look for natural evolution. 2:03:53.680 --> 2:03:56.560 There's been no planning to my life to this point, 2:03:57.200 --> 2:03:58.680 so there's no point in planning. 2:04:01.440 --> 2:04:06.280 Okay, Stan, you're very entertaining, very warm. I'm sure my 2:04:06.400 --> 2:04:09.360 audience will love you. I want to thank you for 2:04:09.440 --> 2:04:12.480 taking this time, and I certainly wish you luck with 2:04:12.600 --> 2:04:14.880 a record. You know, that's the kind of record those 2:04:14.920 --> 2:04:18.320 of us were died in the wool rockers cotton right too. 2:04:18.520 --> 2:04:22.040 You know it sounds like what you know we believe 2:04:22.080 --> 2:04:25.440 in the song is right there. You can hear the instruments, 2:04:25.760 --> 2:04:28.680 there aren't the trappings. It's good. 2:04:28.880 --> 2:04:32.600 Well, thank you. It's very it's it's primitive and it's basic, 2:04:33.040 --> 2:04:36.040 and it's what we wanted to do to get started. 2:04:36.560 --> 2:04:39.760 You know, Like I said, it takes a village. So 2:04:39.840 --> 2:04:43.120 your listeners, if you have a chance, I hope you listen. 2:04:43.680 --> 2:04:46.520 And it means the world to me to just be 2:04:46.560 --> 2:04:48.880 allowed to keep I keep being allowed to do this. 2:04:49.560 --> 2:04:52.640 I uh shit, don't stop. 2:04:56.000 --> 2:05:01.600 But we're gonna stop right now until next time. This 2:05:01.760 --> 2:05:02.920 is Bob left Sex 2:05:24.600 --> 2:05:24.680 Sh