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Speaker 3: Go stream it. It's Kate Weller. Welcome, Welcome. How are
Speaker 3: you OK.
Speaker 2: I'm doing pretty good. I mean, like personally, I'm doing
Speaker 2: pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the world is crazy.
Speaker 3: The world's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very intense time. But like personally, you know,
Speaker 2: I got a comedy special, a boyfriend, I got two cats.
Speaker 3: You god damn the cats. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, what
Speaker 3: can you ask more for? You know, I get it.
Speaker 3: In these times, we just have to retreat into our
Speaker 3: cats sometimes. Yeah, I know, I know, you have no man.
Speaker 3: I just I have vivid memories of even like in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, like holding like my dog, like you have
Speaker 3: no idea, do you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I know I had a moment of like visceral
Speaker 2: jealousy towards my cat right like where I was just like,
Speaker 2: oh my God, Like he has literally no idea that
Speaker 2: any of this stuff is going on.
Speaker 3: He's just like he's just like simple.
Speaker 2: The main thing that happens every day is that the
Speaker 2: mommy slash god lady brings me food and then cats me.
Speaker 2: That's what's happening in the world. That's the breaking news.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Oh yellow socks today, okay, yeah, and that's
Speaker 3: about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Damn your cat use you as mommy slash god lady
Speaker 1: instead of personal assistant. That's impressive. You have a you
Speaker 1: have a strong relationship.
Speaker 2: I actually have two cats, and what views me as
Speaker 2: a personal.
Speaker 3: System and one as mother god.
Speaker 2: Yes, mother god mommy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: There's something about just napping in a sunbeam when I see,
Speaker 1: like when I would see my dogs do that, that
Speaker 1: just like made me so like it's just so simple,
Speaker 1: so comfortable.
Speaker 3: You don't do that. I do that. You find a
Speaker 3: little sunbeam on the floor, and just when LA has
Speaker 3: that like switch, you're like, oh shit, we're consistently warm now,
Speaker 3: like we're out of this. Like do I wear sleeves today?
Speaker 3: Like I don't, Like I will. I used I will
Speaker 3: go shirtless and just put my back on hot concrete
Speaker 3: and just be like, oh so, I don't know, it's
Speaker 3: like a pastime I have. I do it a lot.
Speaker 3: There's I start sending like a fucking lizard. I mean
Speaker 3: I love that. I love that for you. I like
Speaker 3: how I was like you don't do that, Bros.
Speaker 1: Driveway just like warming yourself, like a list of concrete.
Speaker 3: There's just something about hot concrete, like when it feels
Speaker 3: like when it's cold in your house. I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's very it's very invited. Damn man, I don't know
Speaker 3: what's wrong with me? Why I'm not doing that? Amazing?
Speaker 1: Well, Kate, we are going to get to know you
Speaker 1: a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going
Speaker 1: to tell the listeners a couple of things that we're
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 3: We have some good news out.
Speaker 1: Of Maine that I wanted to bring up. Maine has
Speaker 1: officially become a trans and abortion care sanctuary state. So
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that and what they had to overcome
Speaker 1: a lot of death threats, a lot of terroristic threats
Speaker 1: to get there.
Speaker 3: So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about.
Speaker 1: Meta's strong policies against sex work. As long as said
Speaker 1: sex work is being performed by humans AI, that shit
Speaker 1: is totally fine.
Speaker 3: Ahead, They're down with that.
Speaker 2: Robot work is real works.
Speaker 1: Right, is what we are here to say. Right, All
Speaker 1: that plenty more. But first, Kate, we do like to
Speaker 1: ask our guests, what is is something from your search history?
Speaker 2: I was recently this morning, I was reading up on
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court grants pass versus Organs. You guys know
Speaker 2: about that case. Did you talk about it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Is it is? It? Is it a criminal act
Speaker 3: to be unhoused?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very I do a lot of reading about
Speaker 2: housing politics, and that one is it's just mind blowing
Speaker 2: that they're like thinking about, you know, criminalizing just like
Speaker 2: being outside if you have no place else to go.
Speaker 2: I don't know, sorry, but I hate the Supreme Court.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, Yeah, we were just talking on was
Speaker 3: it Tuesday? Tuesday's episode with Rihann and Hamam from the
Speaker 3: five to four Supreme Court podcast about that.
Speaker 2: It's a great podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she's she's dope as fuck. I think she
Speaker 3: actually just got arrested at the University of Texas, you know,
Speaker 3: protesting on behalf of Palestinians. But yeah, we were talking
Speaker 3: about that, and it's just you know this, it's the
Speaker 3: Supreme Court is doing what it's doing, Like there is
Speaker 3: a rock that has been created from just on what's
Speaker 3: the word I'm looking for, untethered American, unmitigated American capitalism,
Speaker 3: and now we have to now just create laws that
Speaker 3: are just trying to contain all that rather than addressing
Speaker 3: the real root causes. It's like, well, we could do
Speaker 3: something about housing policy, but that's that's going to get
Speaker 3: in the way of the quote market, so we'll just
Speaker 3: make it illegal if you failed at the game of
Speaker 3: surviving in America.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that, like you know,
Speaker 2: speaking of like the protests that you were just mentioning,
Speaker 2: like it's just becoming very clear that like literally the
Speaker 2: plan for every single issue in this country is police,
Speaker 2: like police or the housing plan. Police are the foreign
Speaker 2: policy plan. Police are the substance abuse plan. You know,
Speaker 2: it's just every every single problem people just you know,
Speaker 2: by people, I mean, like the people in power see
Speaker 2: the same solution to it.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I think that there be noted by people
Speaker 3: to understand that like those are like using law enforcement
Speaker 3: and state violence, like those are the responses of you know,
Speaker 3: authoritarian regimes.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I believe that a police state, state state
Speaker 1: that just I mean Joe Biden, you know, he did
Speaker 1: it in his like foggy old guy way, but he was,
Speaker 1: you know, giving a speech about he was like responding
Speaker 1: to the idea of defunding the police or you know,
Speaker 1: funding the police even a little bit less, and he
Speaker 1: was like, we don't need to defund the police. I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, they're they're your therapist there, you're like he
Speaker 1: he was using the fact that the police are answer
Speaker 1: to everything as like the reason to fund them. More
Speaker 1: like he was like, then that's a good thing and
Speaker 1: we should should double down, triple down on that. And
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people or like, man,
Speaker 1: that's that's dumb, but like this is the consequence of that.
Speaker 1: When the police are your everything, the police are my everything.
Speaker 1: You guys I just said about beer cause of a.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, only losers think the police are the solution
Speaker 2: to everything, winners. I think cats are the solution.
Speaker 3: To every that's right. Cats and mushrooms, yeahroom.
Speaker 1: Cats and lasers on their heads, right, Yeah, Sorry, am
Speaker 1: I did I.
Speaker 3: Fuck this up? That would I think that would fuck
Speaker 3: with a cat though, if a cat had a like,
Speaker 3: because it would just be chasing the fucking laser of
Speaker 3: its own creation. I feel like that's that's now in
Speaker 3: my mind, like that's actually cool for a laser mounted
Speaker 3: cat or cat.
Speaker 1: No, you're right, it should probably be flame throwers, right,
Speaker 1: because they don't chase flame throwers in my experience. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: what is something you think is underrated?
Speaker 2: Kate, Well, I'm going to change my are because my
Speaker 2: original answer.
Speaker 3: Was cats and were coover this take off.
Speaker 2: So there's a podcast that I love so much. I
Speaker 2: have nothing to do with. This podcast is just really
Speaker 2: like it. It's called Citations Needed, and they do like
Speaker 2: media critique, and you know, they just really really go
Speaker 2: into like, you know, the framings on New York Times, Atlantic,
Speaker 2: you know, so many of these like mainstream news sources,
Speaker 2: like you know, on things like policing on you know,
Speaker 2: the housing crisis, and I just I really love their work.
Speaker 2: That's like been such a huge source of education for me.
Speaker 2: And I feel like it's a very popular podcast, but
Speaker 2: it should be like twelve thousand times more famous than
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of popular podcasts. Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1: It's good to hear about this one. So I don't
Speaker 1: understand those that do they just read the New York Times.
Speaker 1: How could you criticize the New York Times. They're objective
Speaker 1: and just the paper.
Speaker 3: Record, the records.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, lady, Yeah, because democracy does in
Speaker 1: the dark, and.
Speaker 3: That's Washington Post actually, dud. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, but they're both like same in that they're just
Speaker 1: writing truth into existence.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, yeah, I mean their source is
Speaker 3: the police for all of it. But even this other
Speaker 3: story about energy according to police, You're like, wait, what.
Speaker 1: Uh huh yeah, ship according to police, wind power, wind
Speaker 1: energy kills a lot of birds.
Speaker 3: Yeah right that wait, so that I'm like, I've I've
Speaker 3: heard of the podcast before. But it's essentially just sort
Speaker 3: of dissecting, disassembling what sort of like these headlines are
Speaker 3: and just being like and this is where it goes
Speaker 3: completely backwards.
Speaker 2: It's more like looking at various media tropes a lot
Speaker 2: of the time, Like you know, for example, one thing
Speaker 2: that they've been talking a lot about lately, not to
Speaker 2: get too dark here, is like you know, the this
Speaker 2: frame of like precision strikes and like human shields and
Speaker 2: like all of this kind of language that the mainstream
Speaker 2: you know, corporate media uses to like really kind of
Speaker 2: paper over like the violence of these things, and just
Speaker 2: just like they really dissect what, you know, what those
Speaker 2: tropes really mean, and they'll have experts and scholars on,
Speaker 2: you know, to talk about like you know, what watch
Speaker 2: US international law actually say. But they also talk a
Speaker 2: lot about policing too, and you know, like the idea
Speaker 2: that you're just making fun of of, like you know,
Speaker 2: just interviewing the police for like statements about policing. So yeah,
Speaker 2: they're really really good podcast. It's two media critics who
Speaker 2: are both you know, I think I've done a lot
Speaker 2: of work with fairness and accuracy in reporting the nation
Speaker 2: other left and publications.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now I'm total precision on strike. Just I mean, you
Speaker 1: have smart bombs, so they'll like just fly in through
Speaker 1: a single window. Yeah, look around the room for the
Speaker 1: bad guy. Yeah, introduce themselves to the bad guy and
Speaker 1: then ask them to step outside where they can safely
Speaker 1: blow them up. Is that incorrect? Is that are the
Speaker 1: Are the strikes not that precise? Because that's what I
Speaker 1: was led.
Speaker 3: To believe in the early nineties. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I had fucking gummy snacks for desert storm.
Speaker 1: By the way, like the kids that I went to
Speaker 1: school with had like b two bomber gummy snacks.
Speaker 3: Dude, I remember those. Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the stealth but if you got the stealth bomber,
Speaker 1: holy shit, everyone was like the secret flavor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, who can figure out what it is? Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's called thunder jets, wasn't it. I think that's right. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: I remember that shit. I was like, bro, I was like, Mom,
Speaker 3: I need to eat at F sixteen. I'm sorry that.
Speaker 1: Is I'm going to hand you this new nutrition chart
Speaker 1: and F sixteen's is a major food group.
Speaker 3: And then I'm like, oh, a yellow F sixteen that's
Speaker 3: lemon growth. It's just running down your chin. Yeah, totally
Speaker 3: shit like this. Norman Shorts cough. Yeah. Yeah. They tried
Speaker 3: to make Norman and successfully for a couple of years,
Speaker 3: like made Norman Shorts cough like a celebrity, a cool guy.
Speaker 3: I had fucking Desert Storm Ninja Turtles. Yeah. I had
Speaker 3: those ships where like Leonardo was like a fucking Air
Speaker 3: Force pilot and shit, I'm like, yes, we will take
Speaker 3: down so don Yeah yeah, Ninja Turtle Bay. All right,
Speaker 3: what is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 2: I think the TikTok band or I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's fair to call it a band at this point,
Speaker 2: because we don't really know if they're, you know, gonna
Speaker 2: sell the if my dance was gonna sell it or not,
Speaker 2: if it will continue to exist in the United States.
Speaker 2: But to me, you know, that's very overrated. Like I'm seeing,
Speaker 2: you know, various proponents of this band, you know'll be like, well,
Speaker 2: like social media is bad, and you know there are
Speaker 2: data privacy concerns, which is true with all social media,
Speaker 2: but like banning this app specifically. You know, it's to me,
Speaker 2: it seems to be about two things. One which is,
Speaker 2: you know, like, oh, China, that's so scary, you know,
Speaker 2: just this kind of like really stupid.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, but did you know that they like
Speaker 3: beat people up for speaking out against their government's policies. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: oh no, that's okay, but yeah, go on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know that they do surveillance in China
Speaker 2: that they're just the government looking at your looking at
Speaker 2: your private messages. It's out of control.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. And I feel like everybody who ends up
Speaker 3: trying to like justify the TikTok band like they're just
Speaker 3: showing their ass in every single way. Like to your point,
Speaker 3: it's like, if it's about privacy, then what about the
Speaker 3: fucking American companies? Yeah you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, to me, this just seems like it's
Speaker 2: like a you know, either there's like some corporate interests
Speaker 2: that are you know, hoping to buy it like.
Speaker 3: American protect American technological hegemony, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like this app is kicking our apps asses? Are
Speaker 3: our countries apps? Asses? Oh yeah? Fuck? That's one version.
Speaker 3: And then there's just like very casual way of trying
Speaker 3: to explain away why younger people are more engaged and
Speaker 3: outraged by what is happening in the country. I've been like,
Speaker 3: it's fucking TikTok. It's not the fucking policies that we
Speaker 3: enact that create the hellscape in which they live that's
Speaker 3: radicalizing them. It's this fucking thing that tells you to
Speaker 3: add more sugar to your watcher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know, and I think that's
Speaker 2: a lot of it too. It's like, you know, there's
Speaker 2: just they don't have, you know, control over whatever, like
Speaker 2: you know sense like all the social media apps do
Speaker 2: censorship to some degree, Like you know, like on TikTok,
Speaker 2: there is censorship, like you can't say sex, so people
Speaker 2: that's why they say segs, which is extremely annoying. It's
Speaker 2: really annoying when like gen Z college students will like
Speaker 2: type like segs on Twitter or something that you don't
Speaker 2: we don't do that here, say.
Speaker 3: Like grown ups come on now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know there's like there's a there's different
Speaker 2: censorship right like China, and like, well it's not there's
Speaker 2: just like I think it's isn't it the CEOs like
Speaker 2: he is in Singapore, right, But either way, TikTok is
Speaker 2: not there. Like censorship is not based on like US
Speaker 2: foreign policy interest, right, so they're not going to like
Speaker 2: censor stuff just because it looks bad for the United States,
Speaker 2: like whereas like you know, New York Times, we see,
Speaker 2: you know, has like you know, specific policy is to
Speaker 2: you know, censor the language of their journalists and reporters,
Speaker 2: to to not you know, to not go the department line.
Speaker 3: It was a blast. It was not an Israeli bomb.
Speaker 3: It was a blast. The protests turned violent when the
Speaker 3: police started becoming violent, which is a mach we always X,
Speaker 3: we're gonna get that out of there. Just just the
Speaker 3: protests turned violent, Yeah, turned violent.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like I think it's just like they
Speaker 2: don't like when if I think about like the Iraq
Speaker 2: War a lot, and that was you know, I think
Speaker 2: like really my political awakening, like I knew and every
Speaker 2: when I knew, you knew that this like weapons of
Speaker 2: mass destruction thing was a lie. I felt like it
Speaker 2: was pretty obvious, you know, but we you know, had
Speaker 2: the media is just repeating this WTMT lie again and again.
Speaker 2: And now it's not like they can't really lie to
Speaker 2: us in the same way a lot of the time
Speaker 2: because we can see videos ourselves of what's happening. So
Speaker 2: it's more like instead of lying, it's more like just
Speaker 2: gas lighting. They're like, no, that's not what you saw.
Speaker 2: That's don't believe your eyes, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you disagree, like we're going to hit you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the reason you disagree is actually just China
Speaker 1: has infiltrated your brain.
Speaker 3: And that's I don't even have TikTok. I just I
Speaker 3: just saw a news clip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you were people, people who have TikTok told
Speaker 1: you that.
Speaker 3: Actually, So I'm seventy has TikTok. Yeah, it's yeah, it's uh,
Speaker 3: that's why it's like really interesting. Like we talk all
Speaker 3: the time about how the sort of propaganda playbook that
Speaker 3: the government tries to run just it's diminishing returns. At
Speaker 3: this point, it's like they're time to be like that's
Speaker 3: actually not what's going on. Everyone's like you think we're
Speaker 3: fucking dumb or somebody else like this ain't fuck, This
Speaker 3: ain't the nineties brouh.
Speaker 1: Yeah you were like really recently, no, could you give
Speaker 1: us a break here?
Speaker 3: We are used to Yeah, you guys being dumb. Dude. Yeahah,
Speaker 3: you used to know, seventeen year old fucking pushing back
Speaker 3: like that. What the fuck was that? Yeah? Kid fucking
Speaker 3: flamed me? What the fuck? I mean?
Speaker 2: There's you know, there's like uh, I mean, you know
Speaker 2: there's these like State Department and White House press conferences
Speaker 2: where they come out and they repeat these, you know,
Speaker 2: things that are obviously lies. You know, like for example,
Speaker 2: like one thing you know was that Israel is not
Speaker 2: blocking aid to Gaza, right, and you know, like we
Speaker 2: can see videos of like the AID trucks not being
Speaker 2: let in. We can even see individuals saying like hey,
Speaker 2: I've gone here to block this aid. We can see
Speaker 2: every you know, un or other humanitarians, you know, staff
Speaker 2: person saying like hey, we're trying to get this aid
Speaker 2: and they're not letting the truck in, you know, and
Speaker 2: then they go out and they like the State Department,
Speaker 2: you know, spokes for us in will go out and
Speaker 2: repeat like, oh, there's there's no evidence that they're blocking
Speaker 2: the AID, and it's like they know, we know, they know,
Speaker 2: we know. So it's just gaslighting. It's not even lying anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah and yeah, and then you deal with shit boiling
Speaker 3: over like it is now because exactly can only tell
Speaker 3: somebody they're not seeing what they're seeing for so long.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I hope that it just goes away anyway, Biden,
Speaker 3: you're doing a great job courting the youth vote. Just
Speaker 3: cracking skulls on campuses, yeah, arresting professors. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you got this.
Speaker 2: Remember Biden's campaign ad, the Charlottesville one. It was like
Speaker 2: about like restoring the soul of our nation or something
Speaker 2: like that, you know, and it's like, how's that going, man?
Speaker 3: You know? Yeah, I mean I think that it's the
Speaker 3: same soul. It switches, you know, as as American capitalism
Speaker 3: and neoliberalism will do just it just we lurch more
Speaker 3: further and further towards authoritarianism.
Speaker 1: It's reminded me of like this morning, I kept being
Speaker 1: reminded of that time in the twenty I think it
Speaker 1: was twenty fifteen, maybe twenty sixteen Republican primary where they
Speaker 1: were like, oh, yeah, no, it would be great if
Speaker 1: Trump won.
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? We're gonna fucking demolish this guy.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be right, so easy. But like there was
Speaker 3: probably some level of like and if he wins, like
Speaker 3: we can get like we become left even by being yeah,
Speaker 3: what is currently the GOP party.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we can get away with so much we
Speaker 1: like take up we get so much more ground now
Speaker 1: by like the if he keeps going further and further
Speaker 1: to the right, so like this morning, like as he's
Speaker 1: from the Supreme Court, you know, his lawyers are arguing
Speaker 1: that he can do purge and you know, meanwhile, the
Speaker 1: Democratic fucking administration is just out here pulling a Nixon
Speaker 1: administration like on on protesters. It's like, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's what having this uber right wing like dictatorial regime
Speaker 1: dangling over everyone's head like buys them. Like I do
Speaker 1: wonder if that was like part of the calculus from
Speaker 1: the start.
Speaker 2: I think that you know, it's like the Republicans are
Speaker 2: just going to keep getting like more and more fascist,
Speaker 2: and the Democrats can just you know, keep getting more
Speaker 2: and more fascist as well, because like, you know, there's
Speaker 2: like this rhetoric that like the other the other guy,
Speaker 2: the Republicans will be worse, Like that can be it
Speaker 2: can be literally used to justify anything, like there's no
Speaker 2: limit to what it can be used to justify. And
Speaker 2: I think we've seen that with like the Gouzel situation
Speaker 2: is like you know, you'll you'll see people like be
Speaker 2: like you know, oh well, like Trump would do ten
Speaker 2: genocides and it's like.
Speaker 1: What and in this one, I'm like to fuck up
Speaker 1: and let Biden ignore this one?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, fund this one. That's what's so wild too,
Speaker 3: because like, as I you know, we keep hearing about
Speaker 3: you know, the the what the what the Republican will
Speaker 3: Republicans will bring if Trump is president. But as you
Speaker 3: look at it, I'm like, I'm you're you're you're brutalizing
Speaker 3: peaceful protesters just like they were doing in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: and years past every single time, And I'm like, is
Speaker 3: it the only difference going to be It's like, well,
Speaker 3: Biden will just allow students to be tasered and maced
Speaker 3: and Trump would probably allow like full blown guns like
Speaker 3: maybe a week in or something like that. Yeah, But
Speaker 3: are we still dealing with the fact that we are
Speaker 3: not allowing peaceful, non violent protest to happen, because that's
Speaker 3: the up. And yeah, I'm like, you got it. I'm
Speaker 3: doing a really bad job differentiating here, really bad job.
Speaker 3: And that's on you. Actually, that's on you in your
Speaker 3: brain do diffructiating. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So yeah, oh so you want Trump? No, I never
Speaker 4: I don't want Trump. No, I know, I never said, well,
Speaker 4: it sounds like you want Trump. I'm no, I'm saying
Speaker 4: we need to be we need to be holding ship
Speaker 4: to a higher standard. That's and people are fucking up bad.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. You said you want to be
Speaker 4: holding ship.
Speaker 3: So dude, this guy's a fun Did you hear the
Speaker 3: studio city was a whole This guy was the whole
Speaker 3: ship man.
Speaker 5: No, anyways, you've done me, The media done me. Yeah,
Speaker 5: got his ass. Yeah, all right, let's say, let's take
Speaker 5: a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back and small little island of good news,
Speaker 1: Maine officially becomes a trans and abortion care sanctuary state.
Speaker 1: This is after attacks from transphobic online influencers, legal threats
Speaker 1: from a group of Republican Attorneys general, multiple bomb threats
Speaker 1: targeting the state House, the main Democratic Party headquarters, and
Speaker 1: the homes of two legislators. Maine has officially become the
Speaker 1: sixteenth state to explicitly protect transgender and abortion care and
Speaker 1: state law for prosecution from prosecution after Governor Janet Mills
Speaker 1: of Maine signed the LD two to twenty seventh Sanctuary Bill.
Speaker 1: So an amazing piece of legislation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're also saying that it's like, yo, we're not
Speaker 3: going to cooperate with people trying to come in and
Speaker 3: you know what's the word I'm looking for when they extradition,
Speaker 3: like extradition extradite yeah, yeah, or or cooperation with law
Speaker 3: enforcement out of state for people who are like they
Speaker 3: can to Maine for gender affirming care and it's like, yeah, sorry,
Speaker 3: like you can't, Like we're not stay the fuck out
Speaker 3: because that's what we're trying to do. Yeah, A very
Speaker 3: a nice I thought for first, when he said an island,
Speaker 3: I thought you were calling Maine an island, and I
Speaker 3: was like, in a way, I kind of I'm not
Speaker 3: good at geography. Okay, the the humble island of Maine. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: I mean like that's it feels like it up there.
Speaker 3: Up there on the tip there.
Speaker 1: It's a really beautiful, enormous state that I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's also very rural. You see someone shut up in
Speaker 1: Maine if you ever do drive through ord Air. The
Speaker 1: extensive new law means the gender affirming care and reproductive
Speaker 1: healthcare are legal rights in Maine and states that criminal
Speaker 1: and civil actions against providers and patients are not enforceable
Speaker 1: if the provision or access to the care occurred within
Speaker 1: Maine's borders. So yeah, like Miles said, like they can't
Speaker 1: other states can't come in and basically you know, issue
Speaker 1: arrest warrants.
Speaker 3: I mean until they tryntill they Yeah, that's kind of
Speaker 3: the fucking weird part is that, Yeah, we're having to
Speaker 3: just sort of codify it in this very specific ways.
Speaker 3: I don't even think that if you have fucking wacky
Speaker 3: laws on your books wherever you are, that you can
Speaker 3: come in and start running shit over here. But yeah,
Speaker 3: oh wow, but it sounds like a full on terror
Speaker 3: campaign to try and stop this.
Speaker 1: It's really like I do. Also, I wanted to bring
Speaker 1: this up because it just like as we talked about
Speaker 1: on yesterday's Trending episode, as we talked about already on
Speaker 1: this episode. The treatment of peaceful protesters in the in
Speaker 1: the US right now is at the forefront of everyone's mind,
Speaker 1: and on social media you see a lot of people
Speaker 1: who don't want this to be the case, who are
Speaker 1: like they weren't actually that peaceful, like they were, you know,
Speaker 1: scaring people and.
Speaker 3: Sitting down on the grass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's like, you know, that can be a opinion. Okay,
Speaker 1: that could be a thing gesture. But like, first of all,
Speaker 1: the two places, like I keep seeing people compare it
Speaker 1: to like being like well back in the seventies and sixties,
Speaker 1: like we were peaceful protesters, and it's like compared to them,
Speaker 1: know the fuck you were not like that at Kent State.
Speaker 1: Like the things that the peaceful protesters at Kent State
Speaker 1: did would buy today's standards by these people said, like
Speaker 1: they broke a bank window or something broke like a
Speaker 1: shop window, they like that would that would be cause
Speaker 1: for like the entire nation to be thrown into fucking
Speaker 1: lockdown today, Like they they like jokingly told students to
Speaker 1: kill their parents, like at the Kent State thing, and
Speaker 1: like that was used as justification to like bring in
Speaker 1: the National Guard. But like those would be read as
Speaker 1: like declarations of all at war on America were they
Speaker 1: to be done today by a group of like pro
Speaker 1: Palestinian protesters, Like yeah, and then you have this on
Speaker 1: the right, like the things that they're doing, like the
Speaker 1: the bomb threats, the just like threat physical threats of
Speaker 1: violence that like constantly happen on the right and just
Speaker 1: get completely fucking ignored by the mainstream media.
Speaker 3: Like this is just it's like a.
Speaker 1: Detail of a of an alternate story. But it's like
Speaker 1: not not the focus, not like you know, the no,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to like make that a front page news story.
Speaker 1: It's just the the double standard is pretty incredible and
Speaker 1: has been for years. Like you know, the anti abortion
Speaker 1: like violence that has happened is like the one type
Speaker 1: of violence like that that is like ideological that does
Speaker 1: not get called terrorism.
Speaker 3: Usually they're just like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they blew up a clinic, but it's like, no,
Speaker 1: that's fucking that they're killing people along ideological lines like that.
Speaker 1: That's terrorism by any other standard except the standard in
Speaker 1: the American one, of course.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like really desperate, as you're mentioning, there's this
Speaker 2: like very you know, desperate attempt to obscure the fact
Speaker 2: that like, you know, most like political violence that happens
Speaker 2: in this country, the overwhelming majority is like right wing psychos.
Speaker 2: Sorry to not describe that in a very you know,
Speaker 2: objective way, but like, you know, these people who have
Speaker 2: like bombed abortion clinics or you know, like some of
Speaker 2: the people who stormed the capitol, like you know, that's
Speaker 2: that is violent. But you know, it's like you'll see
Speaker 2: like these you know, headlines. One of the headlines I
Speaker 2: saw about I think it was the protest at Yale,
Speaker 2: was that one of the Yale protesters like stabbed someone
Speaker 2: in the eye. And you know, I read that and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, this is horrible, Like
Speaker 2: whatever whoever did that is you know a discraine. You
Speaker 2: can't stab people in the eye for any reason.
Speaker 3: But it's been in a position for a while now.
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, but you know, this was frames in the
Speaker 2: headlines that this person stabs someone in the eye because
Speaker 2: the person that they stabbed was Jewish, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's just that's a disgusting thing to do. Then I
Speaker 2: saw the video of this incident. Have you seen it? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so someone so there's a student or maybe I don't
Speaker 2: even know if the person was a student. But someone
Speaker 2: is walking by with a very tiny, tiny, tiny little
Speaker 2: flag and is you know, kind of waving the flag
Speaker 2: back and forth bumps into someone very lightly. They to me,
Speaker 2: it seems clear that they did not even see the
Speaker 2: person that they bumped into. That this was the situation
Speaker 2: of like they were looking in the other direction and
Speaker 2: waving their flag very lightly. Like there was no way
Speaker 2: that this was any kind of stabbing. It wasn't a
Speaker 2: targeted incident. I don't think that they even saw the
Speaker 2: person that they bumped into enough to you know, know
Speaker 2: that person's religion or ethnicity. They weren't looking at them.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was just well and then there was
Speaker 3: even a report that they were even saying that like
Speaker 3: they went to like a they were told to like, yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe go get that checked out. And you're like if
Speaker 3: you were stabbed, if you were stabbed in the eye,
Speaker 3: I think like like someone with ems would be like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, you're stabbed in the eye, like versus like, hey,
Speaker 3: if it's bugging you, you can go you should maybe
Speaker 3: go to the doctor to get it checked out. Yeah,
Speaker 3: since you were stabbed in the eye. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 3: But going back to like I mean this is we've
Speaker 3: we always have these moments where you have to remind
Speaker 3: yourself how entrenched our mainstream media is with just the
Speaker 3: like the principles of the United States that they're all
Speaker 3: they all work together, hand in hand to maintain the
Speaker 3: status quo of being a white supremacist, capitalist patriarchy. And
Speaker 3: so when you go up against one of those, you know,
Speaker 3: we have many pillars, but those three pillars, all bets
Speaker 3: are off on how you can be treated. January sixth.
Speaker 3: That's okay because you're there, because you're you're they're in
Speaker 3: service of a candidate who wants to uphold the status
Speaker 3: quo exactly racism and the brutal economic violence of the nation. So,
Speaker 3: y'all are good people who are peacefully protesting police violence
Speaker 3: and over policing. We'll see now now you're fucking Now
Speaker 3: you're fucking with one of our temples. Yeah, and you
Speaker 3: will feel the whole fucking might of the state come
Speaker 3: down on you. And now, unfortunately, these student protests non violent,
Speaker 3: but we're talking about the fucking we're talking about American
Speaker 3: hegemony and our foreign policy. Yeah, guess what the state
Speaker 3: is going to fucking do what it can to crush
Speaker 3: you and it. Yeah, and I'm sure well pretty soon
Speaker 3: in the next few days, we'll start seeing the media
Speaker 3: do some kind of run some kind of shit to
Speaker 3: try and obscure or recontextualize what these non violent student
Speaker 3: protests are, to try and discredit them and be like
Speaker 3: and like, it's not even like a fucking big deal.
Speaker 3: These kids are tripping or like they're fucking brainwashed by
Speaker 3: whatever they.
Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal, let me see if I can
Speaker 2: find it the exact headline. But the Wall Street Journal
Speaker 2: like was already saying that, you know, the protesters are
Speaker 2: I think, don't call me on this, but they were.
Speaker 2: They were like fund funded by Hamas or like had
Speaker 2: ties to Hamas.
Speaker 3: Yes, some anti Israel protesters are paid. I just saw
Speaker 3: this one. Rockefeller and Soros grants are subsidizing those who
Speaker 3: disrupt college campuses.
Speaker 2: Which is on anti Semitic conspiracy theory, like the they
Speaker 2: like George Soros funds everything. You know, George Soros is
Speaker 2: is behind the scenes pulling the string. That is like
Speaker 2: one of the core anti Semitic Nazi conspiracy theories in
Speaker 2: the United States.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's like which one is it? What? What
Speaker 3: is so George Soros is now anti Israel?
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, you tell me, man, I'm just
Speaker 1: we're just trying to say.
Speaker 2: Journal Okay, So here here's here's the headline, the actual headline. Uh,
Speaker 2: it's from the Wall Street Journal. Who's behind the anti
Speaker 2: Israel protests? Which is a hell of a framing to
Speaker 2: begin with, But who's behind the anti Israel protests? Hamas
Speaker 2: has Blah, the Hutis and others are grooming, not that
Speaker 2: we're grooming activists in the US and across the West.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's just like, uh, I think that
Speaker 2: there's this look. I have protested, and I think most
Speaker 2: people have protested. You know, there's there's various reasons, but
Speaker 2: I think the core reason for a lot of people
Speaker 2: is like, you know, we we see we see pictures
Speaker 2: of all these you know, dead children, and we're like,
Speaker 2: this is very sad and it's very wrong, and it's
Speaker 2: like they haven't. The social media is part of it,
Speaker 2: but there's there's an emotional response to seeing civilians, especially children,
Speaker 2: horribly injured or killed. And I think that that's a
Speaker 2: very human response and it's like outrage. Yeah, yeah, these
Speaker 2: these headlines. It's like, and I think even the stuff
Speaker 2: that like Nancy Pelosi says about how you know this
Speaker 2: is backed by Vladimir Putin or the Chinese government or whatever,
Speaker 2: it's like they can't even acknowledge the possibility that some
Speaker 2: number of people, probably the majority of people, are like, wow,
Speaker 2: killing kids. That's very sad, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're oh, I I've been incentivized to look
Speaker 3: the other way this whole.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just like they're like parents who are like,
Speaker 1: don't you remember when you were young, Like you used
Speaker 1: to believe everything we said?
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 3: You used to eat gummy candies of our warplanes. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now now you you're so mad at me. Now you
Speaker 3: call them instruments of state violences. Yeah, this is not
Speaker 3: my child anymore. Who I was able to fucking you
Speaker 3: know see all the time. Yeah, it's and I think
Speaker 3: that's what's like really interesting when I look at this
Speaker 3: all is we talk about how increasingly more engaged and
Speaker 3: intelligent these younger generations are becoming, and like I'm wondering
Speaker 3: if they're I mean, they must be looking at this
Speaker 3: they're like, dude, we've got a fucking like these kids
Speaker 3: are getting smarter and more radical. Yeah, and what the
Speaker 3: fuck are we gonna do about this? And I guess
Speaker 3: like they's just one response is like just fucking call
Speaker 3: them the goon squad. Yeah, as a solution, rather than
Speaker 3: like a rational human being try and understand what is
Speaker 3: driving people to act and being like, well, can we
Speaker 3: do that? And again, I think that's when it reveals.
Speaker 3: It reveals why both parties are still they're from the
Speaker 3: same Well. Yeah, it's like like we cannot go against
Speaker 3: the military industrial complict. Who the fuck is going to
Speaker 3: say that unless you're like one of these on you know,
Speaker 3: on the fringe, meaning not necessarily mainstream politicians who's like,
Speaker 3: we have to stop all this like fucking unchained military spending.
Speaker 3: That's never going to be the main stream because that's
Speaker 3: America runs on. Duncan baby, that's just what we do.
Speaker 2: The core assumption, like legitimizing, like to the public, US
Speaker 2: foreign policy since nine to eleven has been some version,
Speaker 2: some you know, unsophisticated version of like you know, Islam
Speaker 2: equals terror, right right, It's like, you know, like and
Speaker 2: and because of this, like anybody who is Muslim or Arab,
Speaker 2: you know, can be held collectively responsible for the actions
Speaker 2: of you know, legitimate terrorist actions like Osama bin Ladens
Speaker 2: or whatever, but we responded to like nine to eleven horrible.
Speaker 2: But like people, there's no problem just you know, holding
Speaker 2: the people of Iraq responsible for that or Afghanistan, because
Speaker 2: it's just like, yeah, you know, you can just you know,
Speaker 2: if they were Muslim, they should you know, get bombed
Speaker 2: or whatever. And it's like younger kids. Gen Z definitely
Speaker 2: doesn't believe that most millennials doesn't believe that, you know,
Speaker 2: like people, we live in a diverse society where you know,
Speaker 2: people are like they may have friends that are Muslims
Speaker 2: or you know, they may be you know, like they're
Speaker 2: you know, listening to work from people from you know,
Speaker 2: all over the world and stuff, and like this kind
Speaker 2: of like core racism and Islamophobia, like it just doesn't work.
Speaker 2: And like none of this stuff that the US government
Speaker 2: is doing makes sense unless you buy into that assumption,
Speaker 2: which the kids do not buy into.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, the racist old grandpa or racist parent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna like yeah, and yeah, it's just there's
Speaker 1: a disconnect and they can't get their fucking mind around it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're calling the kids like the student protesters. I've
Speaker 2: seen a bunch of people call them like g haughties, yeah,
Speaker 2: or say that they're trying to protest to institute sharia law.
Speaker 2: And this is really just grandpa racism.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I know this because I had a white grandpa who
Speaker 2: was buryed into Fox News, and I know I know
Speaker 2: when something is that perspective.
Speaker 3: Of right and it's a purposely bad, bad faith analysis
Speaker 3: to be like, well, because I can't say what they're
Speaker 3: literally saying, which is like, we want to stop the genocide.
Speaker 3: We need an immediate ceasefire. Innocent people are dying. We
Speaker 3: want our school to divest from businesses that are actively
Speaker 3: profiting off of this. That's what it is. No one
Speaker 3: is a fucking sign that says man sharia law. Now
Speaker 3: to go to these sort of thought killing cliches for
Speaker 3: people to be like, oh they want shariala okay, well,
Speaker 3: I don't know what do these people are off their shit?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Even the stuff that's considered like, you know, very radical,
Speaker 2: Like the viewpoint that it's considered like, you know, so
Speaker 2: radical that it can't even be discussed, is that you know,
Speaker 2: between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean, seeing it should
Speaker 2: be one person, one vote, that everybody should have equal rights. Yeah,
Speaker 2: everybody should have equal protection under the law. And you know,
Speaker 2: you almost never see that argument represented, you know, just
Speaker 2: as it is, like what the argument is actually for,
Speaker 2: because I think a lot of Americans agree with that argument.
Speaker 2: Like our country has already had a huge debate about,
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's okay to deny people voting rights
Speaker 2: based on their race or ethnicity, and like, you know,
Speaker 2: so it's just like there has to be like these
Speaker 2: sort of like bad faith, like these kids support terror
Speaker 2: or whatever, because if they say what those kids are
Speaker 2: actually believe, like too many people are going to be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know. That actually sort of makes sense.
Speaker 3: But no, they're anti you know, child murder, like child
Speaker 3: murder and being buried under rebel. It's like, why disagree?
Speaker 3: It's like so then you're pro that? Yeah, yeah, no, yeah,
Speaker 3: well hmm, do you want to meet me where I'm at?
Speaker 3: Because if it is, then you have to really define
Speaker 3: where you're coming from, because if it's if it's that
Speaker 3: well articulated like it is in ninety five percent of
Speaker 3: the cases, yeah, then yeah you can. Only the only
Speaker 3: thing you do without yourself is being like, well, then
Speaker 3: I'm I'm pro death of innocence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Nobody will articulate the real viewpoints here,
Speaker 2: because it's pretty obvious that one of those viewpoints is
Speaker 2: I'm pro murdering children, which has very few actual sympathizers.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, all right, let's uh, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break and we'll come back and talk about some
Speaker 1: dumb bullshit.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back, and we're back.
Speaker 1: We're back, and AI has taken the tech world by storm.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, baby, wave of the future. Mm hmm, Okay,
Speaker 1: some really funny pictures of Biden doing drugs off of
Speaker 1: America's gravestone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did that when I was cool. I did
Speaker 3: that in uh in Dolly. It looked kind of grainy,
Speaker 3: but it was all right. Or you know, you can
Speaker 3: you can get tupac entered the Kendrick and Drake beef,
Speaker 3: you know, because of AI. Or there's there's everything, you
Speaker 3: can do it all, you can do it all. But yeah,
Speaker 3: the big thing that I saw in this Wired story
Speaker 3: is it seems like the latest trend on social media
Speaker 3: is ads for erotic AI girlfriends and companions. According to Wired,
Speaker 3: there's like, you know, you can search like all the
Speaker 3: ads that have ran on Facebook like in certain instances,
Speaker 3: and they found that at least twenty nine thousand ads
Speaker 3: had been published on Meta platforms for explicit AI quote girlfriends,
Speaker 3: with most using suggestive sex related messaging. There were also
Speaker 3: at least nineteen thousand ads using the term NSFW and
Speaker 3: fourteen thousand were offering NSFWAI and some twenty seven hundred
Speaker 3: ads were active. When Wired reached out to Meta, They're like, hey,
Speaker 3: what's up with all the fucking AI fuck bot ads
Speaker 3: that you got on there? And the spokesperson said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: we prohibit that kind of content and we're going to
Speaker 3: get right on it. And then like fucking two days ago,
Speaker 3: a Wired look and it's now there's three thousand ads
Speaker 3: for AI girlfriends and eleven hundred containing NSFW that were
Speaker 3: still live on the platform. So these chatbots promise users
Speaker 3: all kinds of erotic interactions, like from raunchy chat to
Speaker 3: AI generated porn images or like undressing your AI girlfriend
Speaker 3: and then like you can finally unlock the nudie pictures
Speaker 3: or whatever. You can even do images of humans or animals,
Speaker 3: you know, however you want to get down, And they
Speaker 3: even have ship where you can be chatting, you know,
Speaker 3: with again this porn trope that is just at the
Speaker 3: root cause of everything that's wrong with America, and it's
Speaker 3: like you can fucking chat with your hot step mom
Speaker 3: and like, yeah, fucking down with your AI step mom.
Speaker 2: Ew sorry step related part related.
Speaker 3: It's not like some Oedipus ship. All right, step mom.
Speaker 2: I was talking about like how I thought that, like
Speaker 2: the step family porn genre was like really gross. One
Speaker 2: day I was talking to a friend about it. I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, you know, it's just like it's really nassy.
Speaker 2: Like She's like, I actually think it's hot.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I.
Speaker 2: Get I guess some people are very into this stuff.
Speaker 2: More a lot of people must be into this stuff,
Speaker 2: because that's like.
Speaker 3: Some Brady Bunch shit. I remember like in The Brady Bunch.
Speaker 3: I think it was like the first or second movie
Speaker 3: when Greg and Jan had to ship like split the
Speaker 3: attic basement, but like through a sheet and like they
Speaker 3: were all getting hot for each other. I'm like, see,
Speaker 3: this is what the fuck is going on? And Marsha right, oh, Marsha, yeah,
Speaker 3: come on yeah, sorry, yeah sorry, man, I'm that was
Speaker 3: for a while.
Speaker 2: It's like sexual tension between step siblings.
Speaker 3: That was like, and I'm sure too, like with their
Speaker 3: rate of divorce in America, there are probably a lot
Speaker 3: of blended families. And then they're just like, yeah, man,
Speaker 3: this is kind of where your head goes.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of blended families where people are getting
Speaker 1: stuck inside washing machines and need help getting out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're only wearing an apron with nothing else on.
Speaker 3: It just is what it is.
Speaker 2: And I, you know, I'm just I you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to be me in here, but I will
Speaker 2: say it does sound like you're talking about AI chatbot girlfriends,
Speaker 2: like they're not real girlfriends. And I just want to say, like,
Speaker 2: if your feminism doesn't include.
Speaker 3: Robots, yeah, where are we even? Is that the farm
Speaker 3: wave that we're about to catch is just bringing in
Speaker 3: the AI sex workers too, and being like, no, this
Speaker 3: is this also kinds because this is the thing. A
Speaker 3: lot of actual human sex workers have quickly pointed out
Speaker 3: this fucking weird double standard. Gemma Rose, who's the director
Speaker 3: of the pole Dance Stripper Movement, which like a UK
Speaker 3: based sex worker rights or organization, said, quote, as a
Speaker 3: sex worker, if I put anything like I will do
Speaker 3: anything for you. I will make you come in a minute.
Speaker 3: I would be deleted in an instant because a lot
Speaker 3: of these ads are like you will fucking blast your
Speaker 3: whole nut off in one minute of talking with this
Speaker 3: AI fuck bot. And Miles does work as a copywriter.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, who in the sky?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, that's so gross.
Speaker 3: Like but what's wild is like these guidelines, right, how
Speaker 3: I've just affected like sex workers, Like people know if
Speaker 3: you create content around things like sex positivity or sex
Speaker 3: education like suddenly Instagram like yeah, flagging that shit. It's
Speaker 3: like I'm telling you people about the fucking human body.
Speaker 3: But you can run ads where it's like, hey man,
Speaker 3: you want to fuck your step mom right this way,
Speaker 3: see her fully nude with this chatbot. And it's not
Speaker 3: clear what like Meta's next move is here. I mean,
Speaker 3: they may just do like a massive purge of those
Speaker 3: kinds of accounts like they did with like sex worker
Speaker 3: accounts too. But apparently a lot of the reason these
Speaker 3: platforms have cracked down on sex work too, even recently,
Speaker 3: is because of a sex trafficking bill that became long
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, which basically made platforms responsible for like what
Speaker 3: is posted. Yeah, but then that also unfortunately led to
Speaker 3: like the restriction of consensual sex work or like consensual
Speaker 3: sex work being categorized as trafficking like overall in the
Speaker 3: online world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and sex workers told us at that time. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: this is what they're trying to do here, you know,
Speaker 2: but like this is obviously like to crack down on
Speaker 2: consensual sex work and a fitty thing. It's going to
Speaker 2: and danger trafficking victims even more, you know, And that
Speaker 2: has come to be the case. But you know, people
Speaker 2: don't listen to sex workers when, you know, when they
Speaker 2: express what's going to be good for them, you know,
Speaker 2: law wise or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sex workers are maybe the most kind of undervalued
Speaker 1: human beings in like the US mainstream media. Like they
Speaker 1: just aren't counted as human beings in a lot of cases.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is weird because it's like everybody is and
Speaker 2: I won't say everybody like you know, but there's I
Speaker 2: would say that most men in the United States are
Speaker 2: engaging with pornography on some level or another. Like I
Speaker 2: certainly haven't very met very many men who aren't watching
Speaker 2: like porn sometimes at least and also a lot of
Speaker 2: women and also a lot of non binary people. But
Speaker 2: you know, it's like this product that you know, so
Speaker 2: many people are consuming, but the workers it's fine to
Speaker 2: just you know, treat them as horribly as possible.
Speaker 3: Right exactly, Because again, yeah, it's like it's like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, that's in line with the patriarchal aspects of
Speaker 3: this country and also like the puritanical ones. It's like, well,
Speaker 3: I mean like if women are suffering or then maybe
Speaker 3: that's okay. Yeah, but yeah, for something that we call
Speaker 3: the oldest profession, we should I feel like give a
Speaker 3: little bit more respect to it. Yes, this profession has
Speaker 3: been around for a long time, so there's a lot
Speaker 3: of momentum to sex work.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We talked about how like this platform that is a
Speaker 1: competitor to only fans called Fanview that specializes in like
Speaker 1: AI models, right, is like doing incredibly well. So like
Speaker 1: this is this is happening for sure, gonna it's gonna come,
Speaker 1: And I feel like people aren't going to stop it
Speaker 1: because it's just taking away sex workers ability to make
Speaker 1: a living and nobody is making. In the history of America,
Speaker 1: laws and legislation protecting sex work has been shockingly absent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but how quickly too. It's like, oh, yeah, we
Speaker 3: can usher like this, this can take people's jobs. We'll
Speaker 3: just let this this this tech version of like weird
Speaker 3: algorithmic sex work be like the norm or whatever, and yeah,
Speaker 3: well we will welcome your ad dollars, but not an
Speaker 3: actual person.
Speaker 1: No, so does the step mom thing that like they're
Speaker 1: using on the step mom thing pictures of like people's
Speaker 1: step moms, Like is that what that means?
Speaker 3: Or is can you like load your own step mom?
Speaker 1: But I'm serious, that is like such a fucking violation
Speaker 1: of product, Like if you're taking from Facebook and I
Speaker 1: don't know not I think it's role play.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, well cause already, I mean this is
Speaker 3: where we're This is where it's so sticky. We've talked
Speaker 3: already and like that AI beauty pageant thing how people
Speaker 3: have just had their likeness just fully ripped from the Internet. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying, Like that's the future where we're
Speaker 3: headed like that. I mean, it's already happening to celebrities,
Speaker 3: but like I'm sure, like the fact that this is
Speaker 3: happening on Facebook, Like I'm sure there's a future where
Speaker 3: that's what people like that is what is being offered,
Speaker 3: or at least not openly offered. But yeah, the service
Speaker 3: that's being provided, which is so fucked up. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: sure we're only i mean, like without legislation, I mean,
Speaker 3: we're going to be there pretty quick. Like yeah, it's
Speaker 3: probably gonna be like give us four pictures of a person,
Speaker 3: like how it is now when people are like, hey, man,
Speaker 3: want to make like your cool Disney like Pixar version
Speaker 3: of yourself, It's like, give us five pictures. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: that's just all the data we need and we could
Speaker 3: probably faithfully recreate your likeness. And what's going to stop
Speaker 3: that from like just kind of like fucked up violating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just gonna be there's gonna be so much
Speaker 2: revenge porn, but it won't even be like actual videos
Speaker 2: of the person, and it'll just be like, you know,
Speaker 2: a guy doesn't like a woman that you know, turned
Speaker 2: him down or whatever, so he's going to generate some
Speaker 2: AI porn of her blasted all over the internet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, horribly Well cool. Well, I'm sure the US government
Speaker 1: has our back on that one. They'll probably figure it out.
Speaker 2: Figure out, But at least they banned TikTok yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, that's that's that that makes me sleep better at night.
Speaker 1: But it's been such a pleasure having you on the
Speaker 1: daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you? Follow you all
Speaker 1: that good stuff?
Speaker 2: Okay? Cool? So yeah, you know I did. I did
Speaker 2: go off about political stuff a lot on this podcast,
Speaker 2: but I also made a comedy special, which isn't it
Speaker 2: doesn't have that much to do with politics. I have
Speaker 2: a new special out on Amazon and Apple TV called Loopholes,
Speaker 2: and it is about you know, it's it's about kind
Speaker 2: of like the expectations on the Modern Lady, some of
Speaker 2: the which we're talking about now, but like you know, sex, domesticity,
Speaker 2: trad wives, reproductive rights, and you know, I think it's
Speaker 2: really funny special. I'm excited to put it out and
Speaker 2: you can get it on Amazon, Apple TV or it's
Speaker 2: on YouTube as well. And I am on Instagram at
Speaker 2: Kate Willett, which is a really good place to you know,
Speaker 2: see my tour dates. I'm probably coming to your study
Speaker 2: very soon, and I'm I'm releasing a new podcast at
Speaker 2: the beginning of May, so if you want to check
Speaker 2: that out, it's going to be called Ruining Dinner and
Speaker 2: it's going to be released in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Here dinner about Oh so.
Speaker 2: I'm going to have people on to talk about their
Speaker 2: most awkward conversation topic, like the thing that they're not
Speaker 2: supposed to say, like you know, yeah, comedians but also
Speaker 2: journalists and like whatever, the topic that people ruined dinner with.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, British cole gas study for me. Oh, British coal
Speaker 3: gas study here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love talking about suicide at dinner parties.
Speaker 3: You know what's interesting, actually, you stop using coal gas?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, hey speaking of coal. Nobody said anything
Speaker 3: about coal? Uh oh wait were you just using the oven? Okay,
Speaker 3: so decades ago, Kate.
Speaker 1: Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying
Speaker 1: besides your own special of course?
Speaker 2: Well, I think like the tweet that I say originally
Speaker 2: was like a tweet from more Perfect Union, and it
Speaker 2: was about how Hawaii is going to ban or severely
Speaker 2: restrict Airbnb, and I'm excited about that. I think that
Speaker 2: that's a positive.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So to finally see some pushback on like these sech
Speaker 2: companies that are taking all these people's housing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing miles. Where can people find you? Is there
Speaker 1: a working media you've been enjoying, uh, Twitter, Instagram and
Speaker 1: the like at Miles of Gray.
Speaker 3: If you want to hear well, I wasn't quite crying
Speaker 3: yet about the Lakers on the latest episode of Miles
Speaker 3: and jackot Mad Boosties. I mean I was, I was
Speaker 3: preparing for for terrible pain. You're getting a tear Duck's
Speaker 3: warm Yeah, yeah, yeah, next episode, I will fully be
Speaker 3: just drowning in my own tears. But anyway, if you
Speaker 3: want to hear us talk basketball, Miles and Jack got
Speaker 3: Mad Boosties. If you want a switch, just a break
Speaker 3: from the shit, and you want to hear me talk
Speaker 3: about shit reality television, then check me and Sofia Alexander
Speaker 3: out on four to twenty Day Fiance where we talk
Speaker 3: about ninety day fiance. Some tweets I like at Awa
Speaker 3: Rhiannon past guests Rhiannon and hermam just tweeted, I was
Speaker 3: in jail with some batties, free them all, Free Palestine. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean she was right there in the University of Texas.
Speaker 3: So yes, I hope everything turned out okay for you.
Speaker 3: And then another alec Herricktsana's tweet, I think just you know,
Speaker 3: in times like this he's always just just getting to
Speaker 3: the point I had. Equality, Alex said. One of the
Speaker 3: primary functions of police to violently crush progressive social movements.
Speaker 3: It's one of the reasons expanding the size of size
Speaker 3: and power of police is always authoritarian and is never
Speaker 3: an answer to inequality. It is a key part of
Speaker 3: preserving inequality in all its forms.
Speaker 2: There, it is amazing. That's a great really well expressed.
Speaker 3: I can't beat that.
Speaker 1: But you can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien.
Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're
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Speaker 1: post our episode and our footnote where we link off
Speaker 1: to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,
Speaker 1: what song do you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 3: This is a song called cherry Pop by Jamison j MS.
Speaker 3: And you know it's known as like a producer but
Speaker 3: also kind of like does their own music worked with
Speaker 3: like Kendrick the Game, k Trinata, Sango Taku artists like that.
Speaker 3: But this track is just kind of like a like
Speaker 3: a kind of haunted R and B pop song, but
Speaker 3: it's it's just pretty cool. So check this out. Cherry
Speaker 3: Pops by Jamison amazing. We will link off to that
Speaker 3: in the footnotes. The dailyes guys the production of iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 3: That's gonna do it for us. This week.
Speaker 1: We are back on Monday morning to tell you what
Speaker 1: was trending over the weekend. There will also be a
Speaker 1: highlight reel from this week's episode this season Best of
Speaker 1: Season three point thirty five dropping tomorrow, and yeah, have
Speaker 1: a safe weekend. We'll talk to you all Monday morning.
Speaker 3: Bye.