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Speaker 1: is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host of the Bear Hunting

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Speaker 1: This podcast is super unique. I've got my wife on

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about generational continuance. We're gonna kind of

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Speaker 1: disclose some stuff about how we've raised our kids and

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Speaker 1: if you're a parent this podcast, I think you'll enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: We we just had a great conversation with our friends

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Speaker 1: Josh and Christie Spielmaker and with my wife, Misty Newcombe

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Speaker 1: onto the podcast. This is going to be a pretty

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Speaker 1: unique and special podcast. I have some very special guests

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Speaker 1: on the podcast today. UM. Really, this is a unique podcast.

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Speaker 1: I've I've had some collection of friends and family before, um,

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Speaker 1: but this is unique. I have my wife, Missy Newcombe

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Speaker 1: say hello, Misty, Hi, Hello, I'm Misty Newcombe. And for

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Speaker 1: those who aren't here, Clay is staring at me very intently.

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Speaker 1: Yes as usual, Um, and then we have our long time,

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Speaker 1: would you like to introduce your wife? I would my

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Speaker 1: lovely wife, Christie Spielmaker, who has agreed to be married

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Speaker 1: to me for up to one years now to just

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Speaker 1: gonna quit. Like every day. Every day we kind of

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Speaker 1: Not true. I'm not sticking around forever. Sorry, babe. Years

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Speaker 1: and three kids later, Good morning. Hi, Yeah, Christie say

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Speaker 1: hi hello, Christie spiel anchor. You know, there's always this

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Speaker 1: like like a full introduction, or should you should we

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Speaker 1: I think we should play a game and describe the

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Speaker 1: So what we're gonna talk about is we want to

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Speaker 1: be our actual offspring, the offspring of hunting families and passing.

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Speaker 1: Passing not just an activity to our kids. And we're

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Speaker 1: gonna dissect all this stuff, but how do we pass

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Speaker 1: told this story and I just loved it, and it

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00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: actually made me think, I think I could if people

429
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: told those kind of stories, I think I might actually

430
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: be interested. Not in hunting myself, but it would. It

431
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: was just it was funny and had adventure, and I

432
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: loved it. And and so that was Clay kind of

433
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: changed my perspective on hunting because of of how he

434
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: and and also early on when we were dating, he

435
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: went on a hunting trip with his grandpa, Paps and

436
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: UH and his dad and the three of them went

437
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: went hunting, and I just remember thinking just how valuable

438
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: that was. I mean, family was something that was really

439
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: important to us, and and just to see three generations

440
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: UH him you know, he came back from college and

441
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: went and spent a weekend with his dad and his

442
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: grandpa and they went hunting, And it was just it

443
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: was neat to me that they had that kind of

444
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: tradition and we had traditions in our family and and

445
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: in a good strong family, but we didn't have that

446
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: kind of stuff and where three generations would get together

447
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: and spent a weekend, and it was just that was

448
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: something that I I thought was pretty cool and really

449
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: wanted um as when we got married, I really wanted

450
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: that kind of experience for my kids as well. Just

451
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: the I just think that kind of stuff is what

452
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: helps kids become strong people. What what value is there

453
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: in uh? I guess from a even a developmental standpoint,

454
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: to have boys that are and let's just say involved

455
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: in the outdoors so that could be hunting, that could

456
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: be like there's a big developmental block there that is

457
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: normal human development that is missing in a lot of families.

458
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: That would be there with families that are letting their

459
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: kids get hands dirty. And then and then for those

460
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: of us that are hunting that are really indoctrinating kids

461
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: into the outdoors and spending time outdoors and not in

462
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: front of computer screens and different things. Well, I would

463
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: say boys and girls both there's this huge advantage and

464
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: just getting them out there. I think that physically, I

465
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: mean just physically, it's better to be active, to be

466
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: to to experience fresh air and not in experience woods

467
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: and not not pollution and not just inside you know

468
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: air and and things like that. So I think there's

469
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: physical benefit. I think there's uh mental benefits and that

470
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: you just start to learn how the world works when

471
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: you um like we kind of talk about just the process.

472
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: When the kids go out coon hunting, they just have

473
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: to open gates and go through different things, and they

474
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: have to do stuff to to get out into the woods.

475
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: They have to do stuff, and all those things translate

476
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: to just being a real normal, balanced human being. And

477
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: there's there's all these studies of of that are showing

478
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: like increasing depression and increasing and I and then there's

479
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: these other stories that show the power of outdoors and

480
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: the power of two to push against that, the power

481
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: of physical activity, that all those things. And I think, hey,

482
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: if we got more families outside doing things and it

483
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: might actually help, you know, address some of those those things. Instead,

484
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: there seems to be when kids get home, there's this

485
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: bigger emphasis. A lot of kids are playing video games

486
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: and you see Fortnite, and you see that kind of

487
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: stuff kind of being dominant inside of when when there's

488
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: kids that I'll ask what do you do this weekend

489
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: and they'll say, oh, I played played Fortnight all weekend

490
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: and it's like try jack. I mean, that's a sad

491
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: that's a set and those games are addictive, and they

492
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: they also have power to shape how kids brains learn

493
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: and how they seek immediate and immediate feedback and immediate

494
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: benefit instead of learning. Hey, some of the greatest things

495
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: in life don't come from don't have instant gratification. You

496
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: have to kind of work at it. And we were

497
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: just talking the other night about the UH about the

498
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: when we go coon hunting. I take some of these

499
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: young boys coon hunting, and there's a process of getting

500
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: the dogs out, putting a collar on them, leading the dogs,

501
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: opening gates. There's this process that to to somebody who's

502
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: done it is like no big deal, but to these

503
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: little boys, it's like pretty massive stuff. It's always fun

504
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: to me to watch a kid walk up to a

505
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: gate when there's a truck full of people waiting on

506
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: them to open the gate, and they've they've never opened

507
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: that gate before, and they walk up to it and

508
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: they try to figure out how to unlatch it. It's

509
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: a lot of developmental stuff to get it right there,

510
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: socially and dexterity and problem solving. And you'd be surprised

511
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: how many times I have to get out of the

512
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: truck to go open the gate for the kid, you know,

513
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: Misty when you're talking, you know, in in my in

514
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: my job, I manage of a company that we do,

515
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: you know a lot of We do aircraft detailing and

516
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: work on airplanes, and I do a lot of hiring.

517
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: And I love hiring young guys because I feel like

518
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: they come in with fewer preconceived notions about what work

519
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: should look like. However, one of the issues that we've

520
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: dealt with over the years is just an absolute lack

521
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: of common sense. I mean, it's it's like an epidemic

522
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: that I you know, I consistently sitting new guys down

523
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: and say tell me your thought process and what you did,

524
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: and I see there is none. Yeah, But I think

525
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: I think that's a key. So when I think about

526
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: this whole conversation, Clay. One of the things, one of

527
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: the things I go back to you is when our

528
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: kids were young, we thought about we thought a lot

529
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: about generational continuance and that that whole transfer of of

530
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: like values. And I realized that in a lot of ways,

531
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: kids grow up being told what decision to make, like

532
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: so strong that this is right and this is wrong,

533
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: that you never teach them how to make the decision.

534
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: And so we Josh and I talked when our kids

535
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: were young, and it was like, how do we begin

536
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: to teach our kids how to make decisions? Like how

537
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: to have a problem solving or a filter, like a

538
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: line of filters in their mind that helped them drive

539
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: towards a decision. And to me, like when I think

540
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: about and specifically David, but David's experiences and hunting, it's

541
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: like the perfect analogy for how you teach a child

542
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: the value system through which they should make decisions. So,

543
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: I don't you know, we have a nineteen year old

544
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: almost twenty year old daughter and and we don't tell

545
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: her what to do anymore, we might help guide her

546
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: in her process, like what are you? She's like, I

547
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: don't know what to do here? Okay, talk to me

548
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: about this, talk to me about that, and it's the

549
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: process of guiding her through how to get to a decision.

550
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: But but we're not going to tell her what to

551
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: do today. I mean, that's not we don't. We've done

552
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: the work on the front end to help get her

553
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: to that point. And so when I think about David's experience,

554
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: he's hunting, like the first time he went out he

555
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: turkey hunting. I mean, I've seen pictures of you guys

556
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: taken him out and he is like, he's like hip

557
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: to hip with you guys under a tree. That's his

558
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: first experience, and he's experienced everything going up to it.

559
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: And when Dave would come home from a hunting trip,

560
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: you didn't just hear about the hip to hip under

561
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: the tree when the turkeys were about to come up.

562
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: It was on the drive down we talked about this

563
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: and we did that, and then when we set up camp,

564
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: this happened in the campfire and the the entire experience

565
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: was him being able to see how you guys function

566
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: in that environment, and he started to learn from how

567
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: you guys function in that environment. Over time, the pictures

568
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: were David by himself under a tree and David knew

569
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: how to development of development, and it takes time, and

570
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: it takes dialogue, and it takes it takes teaching him

571
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: your ways. And and the thing to me about about

572
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: hunting or hiking, Like as we speak right now, Dave's

573
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 1: in the middle of the woods, no cell phone service,

574
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: with a group of guys hiking. I don't you know

575
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: the thing is there. I don't know where he is.

576
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: The the thing is that there's a sense of responsibility

577
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: inside of that. And I think as you put responsibility

578
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: on boys, they will stop up to it if you

579
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: teach him how to handle it. So as an eight

580
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: year old, is a nine year old, is a ten

581
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: year old, as a seventeen year old, there's something about

582
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: feeling the weight of responsibility of I have to keep

583
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: myself safe and the people around me safe. And the

584
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: process of development. You guys took David through, allowed him

585
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 1: to sit under a tree by himself, with no concern

586
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: that he was going to put himself for anyone else

587
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: at risk, like to me. And so now you got

588
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 1: to the point where you guys trusted him he there's

589
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: been a transfer. I trust him to make a right

590
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: decision in that scenario because there's been development over time. Well,

591
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: if we're if we're talking about transfer a value system,

592
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: the onus of that really falls onto the fathers and

593
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: the uncles and the that are there with your kids

594
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: in the woods to be able to take what's on

595
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: you and impart it into them. And that doesn't happen

596
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: without dialogue and without stories and without being an example.

597
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: If you don't have that, then you're leaving your child

598
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: to try to figure it out on their own. All

599
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: kids aren't gonna learn just by watching got to be

600
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: set down. They're not gonna learn just by sheer exposure.

601
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: You said a word right there, Josh, that I think

602
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: is key that may not be in everybody's repertoire of

603
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: of functional words, and that's impartation. Impartation would be not

604
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: just teaching in something like a stranger teaching another stranger

605
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: a skill, but the impartation would be an example, would

606
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: just be a father showing his son with a whole

607
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: a whole background of relationship, respect, love. I mean, just

608
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: like this whole context of life flowing down into this

609
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: moment when the son understands a bigger picture of what's

610
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: happening and he catches a frequency you know, and that

611
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: doesn't just happen in the world. That the start in

612
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 1: the woods, that starts in your home when you've built

613
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: a level of relationship that allows you to have have

614
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: connection with your sons and your daughters, which means that

615
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: when you get up in the morning and you're interacting

616
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: with your kids and you've put on this this stand

617
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: office front like leaved that alone, he's got to and

618
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you want to jump in the

619
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: truck and spend ten hours with you in the cold.

620
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: That's the permissi condition exactly. That's the perfect way to

621
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: end that transfer. And you we just hit on something

622
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: that to me is one of the biggest things with

623
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: generational continues, if we could distill it down into one word,

624
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: is that there has to be relationship between those relationship

625
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: is the conduit for values. So from a father to

626
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: son if we were distilling it there, but it could

627
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: go to mother to daughter, father to but you know,

628
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: we're using that enough is there's got to be a relationship,

629
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: and so it can't start. And so many people had,

630
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, fathers that were you know, maybe weren't the

631
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: best and and me and Josh haven't been the best.

632
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: We're very well aware of our shortcomings, but we're also

633
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: aware enough of them that were trying to fix them.

634
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: Is that, yeah, you can't. You described it so well.

635
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: Is that the relationship starts long before anything, and then

636
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: then you build a context for that relationship to be

637
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: fleshed out and lived out. And to me, that's what

638
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: hunting has been because your problem solving, you're given a

639
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: kid massive responsibility. There they are understanding your trust, which

640
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: is so important developmentally to a son. Yeah, and I

641
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: think and I think it's also something that it's sort

642
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: of implied in everything that you're saying, But I really

643
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: think this generation parents needs to understand is it is

644
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: led by the parents. There's a lot of I see

645
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: this a lot, uh and even experience a lot. There's

646
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: a lot of focus on you know, we all want

647
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: to be better parents than our parents were, and they

648
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: wanted to be better parents than than their parents were,

649
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: and and there's been this shift in we want to

650
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: do things that make our kids happy, and so we

651
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: let them drive what our activities are on Saturday and Sunday,

652
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: and we overschedule them. We're playing soccer or we're letting

653
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: them play video games. All weekend long, because that's what

654
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: they want to do, that's what the other kids are doing.

655
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: We're giving them cell phones when they're a little bitty

656
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: and they don't have the maturity to manage it. And

657
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: there's as as parents, I think one of the things

658
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: you have to do is say, hey, I'm leaving this family.

659
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: We're leaving this family. We are the ones that set

660
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: the expectation for what we do, and the kids might

661
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: not always like it, and it might be different then

662
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: what they're forgotten the parents. Yeah. Yeah, And that's part

663
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 1: of that culture that you've got to set as well

664
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: or else. I mean, if if you give a kid

665
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: the option have just sit and watching TV all day

666
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: and doing nothing, they might choose that and they will dangerous.

667
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean, even even our kids who have been I

668
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: mean there's still times when I have to enact a

669
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: veto on their plans and say this is what we're

670
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: gonna do with hunting. I mean sometimes they would rather

671
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: stay home, and then the second that they get out,

672
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: they realize that they that that this was a good decision.

673
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: But I think I could speak Josh and Christie and

674
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: Missy and I as well, is that we don't options

675
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: are sometimes bad for kids. And this this whole it's

676
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: a trend of the age. There's always a trend of

677
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: the age for a certain period of time, and right now,

678
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: parenting is designed to make kids happy. Like I hear

679
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: parents ask their kids all the time, what do you

680
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: want to do? What? What? What do you prefer? What

681
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: do you man? Josh I, And I've learned this partly

682
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: from you, is sometimes you don't give your kids any options.

683
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: I mean, the number one priority is not what makes

684
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: them happy. Number one priority is what's best for the family.

685
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: The biggest picture, and that's the way they're going to

686
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: have to operate when they're a father is not what's

687
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: best for them, not not not what's best for me,

688
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: but what's best for my family, what's best for um

689
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: my development? So you know wider context and then also development.

690
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: And you know this is knowing what's best requires maturity

691
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: and if you're looking to your kids to decide, you

692
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: should have more more more maturity than your children, so

693
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: that decision should be left to you as the parent.

694
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: I my my day job, I'm in a corporate environment,

695
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: and I see the fruit of some of this discussion.

696
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: I was talking to a gentleman. Um who I mean

697
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: twenty five years with the company that I work for,

698
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: been there a long time. Um, you know, faithful in

699
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: his job. Has a twenty plus year old son who

700
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: is still at home. He gets home from work and

701
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: he's playing video games and he's kind of just like

702
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 1: arms up. I don't know what to do. And I think,

703
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: I think, what happens? What happened to the father who

704
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: has invested in providing for his family and having a

705
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: home for them, and somehow his son doesn't hasn't picked

706
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: up on that. He has that own that responsibility as well.

707
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: And it's it's sad. It's sad because you feel like

708
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 1: you've you've spent twenty plus years of your life with

709
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: no fruit. Parents feel like they're they're victims of the trends.

710
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: Like that guy just thrown up his arms and what

711
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: am I supposed to do? He plays video games all

712
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: the time. You know a tagline that, um, Well, if

713
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: a person were to write a book, they could write

714
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: a book then the tagline would be life against the trends,

715
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: life and opposition of the trend I think that could

716
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: describe us, is we've not you can't let the trends

717
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: of the age dictate how you parents. But I didn't

718
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: mean to cut you off, but no, I mean I

719
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: think I think going what you're saying is, you know,

720
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: something we've talked about, something is always being built, and

721
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: his parents were either building it. But if we're not

722
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: going to take that mantle of something else, and maybe

723
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: it's the trends of of the environment is going to

724
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: build our kids. And so we get that choice as

725
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: to what what we're going to choose. Do you remember

726
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: talk about the what you have heard? What Yeah, I

727
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: was going to say, will go places and people will say, man,

728
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: we see that, Like we went somewhere in a video

729
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: of river was shown and people came up afterwards and

730
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: and they were just like, man, we really wish our

731
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: kids would do that, but uh, you know, they just

732
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: have their phones and their games. We can't get them outside.

733
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: And they're talking about nine and ten year old kids,

734
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: and and it's like, who's paying for that phone? You've

735
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: got a lot of power here in this in this situation,

736
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: you can get them outside. And people are are giving

737
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: kids phones, they're giving them cell phones as if they

738
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: have no choice, and and those being pressured by society

739
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: by society, and you have a choice, you have to

740
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: give their kids phones about five years too early. Yeah,

741
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: and and would you guys agree with that, yeah? Yeah.

742
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: And so kids are getting these phones, but they don't

743
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: have the maturity to hint. I mean, honestly, there are

744
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: a lot of adults who don't have the maturity to

745
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: handle social media, and we're giving these things to ten

746
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: year olds who haven't been developed yet. And one of

747
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: the things that I see is that a person's identity

748
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: is really built by the boundaries that are set up

749
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: around them, and so it's hard to build boundaries. It's

750
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: it you are pushing against the grain. You're pushing. It'd

751
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: be easier to just say, I'm not gonna put any

752
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: boundaries on these things. I'm gonna I'm going to just

753
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: let what you know, life run by default. But it

754
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: really communicates to your child that you're not really actively

755
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: building an identity. But by saying to our kids, hey,

756
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: we're not gonna have cell phones still your fourteen, you're

757
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if you have to have when, we'll give

758
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: you a flip phone. But we're for sure not having

759
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: smartphones until your fourteen. We're not going to have You're

760
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: not gonna have social media until a certain age. What

761
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: we're really communicating to them is your life has some boundaries,

762
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: your life has some definition inside of it. And we're

763
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: not we're not people who get who get caught up

764
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: in technology and that really it might not be easy

765
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: for the kids to take. And we've heard it from

766
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: our kids. Our kids aren't perfect and they you know,

767
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 1: we've heard, well, everybody else has this, or everybody else

768
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: has an Xbox, and we'll say, okay, we don't. That's

769
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: not who we are. To love teaching our kids that

770
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: it is very much okay in a part of their

771
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: identity to be different. I mean, I like it that

772
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: my kids aren't on social media and that we put boundaries,

773
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: because the truth is boundaries in in the the another

774
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: trend of the ages that boundaries are bad. Somebody telling

775
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: you what to do is bad. It's a very American thing.

776
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: It's a and you know what love is boundaries. Love

777
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: is someone putting boundaries on your life to know what's

778
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: to know what's safe. And that's a big part of parenthood. UM.

779
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: It's a big part of UM. It's a big part

780
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 1: of what's missing from a lot of families. You've got

781
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: to have the you gotta have the guts as a

782
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: parent to put boundaries. And it's and it's easy if

783
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: you if you, if you do it from the beginning,

784
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: and I mean we've not it's we've not been without

785
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: drama in both of our families. I mean, our kids

786
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: have gone through ups and downs. I mean that's one

787
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: thing I think sometimes parents think if they're perfect parents,

788
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: their kids will never struggle, and uh, we are not

789
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: perfect parents. And some of our kids have struggled at

790
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: different times with different things. But they go through if

791
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: if the parents stays consistent, if the parents stays in

792
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: in in the same mind frame of resolution for whatever

793
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: it is, and continuing to you know, it's almost like

794
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: you're putting you're putting pressure on them to stay inside

795
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: of those boundaries of what healthy life is. So the

796
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: parent has to constantly and sometimes you have to put

797
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure to keep them there, and sometimes

798
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: you don't because they're making good choices and good decisions.

799
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: But with each kid it's been different. It's been different.

800
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: There's been different pressure points that we've had to push

801
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: back on. But I think you don't have to be

802
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a hunter. I'm not. I have

803
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: gone hunting, and I like to go sit with the

804
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: kids sometimes, you know, when they go to bear camp. Um.

805
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 1: There have been a couple of times where I've gone

806
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: and set with with one of the kids. I'm not

807
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: a hunter, but uh, but I appreciate hunting in my home.

808
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: I appreciate Uh, I really appreciate the meat we still eat.

809
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I care a lot about healthy eating and

810
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: organic food is pretty expensive, and this is pretty there's

811
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: a pretty easy cheap way to get our inexpensive way

812
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 1: to get um to get organic meat. And my kids

813
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: know that I support that. I support that by by

814
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: supporting Clay when he takes them out, by um tolerating

815
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: the you know, muddy boots that seem to be consistently

816
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: on our porch. But the biggest problem in our life

817
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: probably there could be others. Uh, there could be other

818
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: things that you know, there's there's there is uh. Just

819
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: having Clay away when the kids were a little that

820
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 1: was tough. When when Clay would leave in real early on,

821
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: we just I realized, hey, this is gonna be if

822
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: I if you want that three generation trip and you

823
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: want the resilience and you want this the all the

824
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: good things that come with us, you have to be

825
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: willing to put up some sacrifice yourself. So I'm very

826
00:46:54,760 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: conscious to never be vocally oppositional towards hunting. Our vocally

827
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: opposition even towards the time away, you know. And it

828
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: is a it is a lifestyle choice, it is, you know.

829
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: I mean I have lots of great friends that are

830
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: great families and great men that don't hunt, and they

831
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: don't go away for days at a time on a

832
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: hunting trip. And you know, yeah, so so there's there's

833
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: a cost to everything. There's a cost to be in

834
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: that way, and there's a cost of two living life

835
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: the way we do. Yeah, And it's you know, when

836
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: it was when the kids were younger, I would it's

837
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: not hard now. I mean when the kids were younger,

838
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: it was, though it really did feel like a sacrifice,

839
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: um for them to go away. Sometimes the as they

840
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: are kids got older, The older kids probably pushed the

841
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: boundaries more than too, because because I was immature, right right, yeah,

842
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: and you just you but I I do feel like

843
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: it was a thing where we just say, hey, we're

844
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: gonna trust each other, We're gonna trust and and so

845
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: that you know, when both of us have had careers

846
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: that were both really passionate about and we're both the

847
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: type of but who could who could give a lot

848
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: to that, to that and maybe even more than and

849
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: we made a decision to just trust each other and

850
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: with that trust, to trust each other with how you

851
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: use your time, how much work you take home. But

852
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: with that trust came responsibility. So if I'm trusting him,

853
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: then I've got to make sure I'm also managing my

854
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: own self and governing my own self. And so so

855
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: that you know, Clay has turned down hunts and he

856
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: has turned down things sometimes because it's like that will

857
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: that will tax the family too much, that's that is

858
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: too much, And sometimes he hasn't and maybe he should have,

859
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: and we kind of work through that together and work

860
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: through through those things. But it is um it is

861
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: something I think even when you're not a hunter yourself.

862
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's super cool if the whole family. We

863
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: know families where the mom hunts, the dad hunts, saw

864
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: the kids hunt, and that's really cool to to see

865
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: him with their little babies in their backpacks. I can

866
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: through the National forests and go, that's super cool. That

867
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: was not the case for our family. I'm very supportive

868
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: of hunting, and I love love public lands and love

869
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: getting out there in them. But I'm not necess assalia

870
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: a hunter. But I've had to learn how to be

871
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: supportive of that and how to make space in our

872
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: family calendar for those kinds of things. Let me introduce

873
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: this book. Um, this will take us back a little

874
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: bit to my original question. But we all, Christie, you

875
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: did you ever read Boys and Drift? I? I read

876
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: parts of it, I read, we've we've read Boys Adrift,

877
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: which is a book by a guy named Dr Leonard Sacks,

878
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: and basically it's about it says the five factors driving

879
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: the growing epidemic of unmoti unmotivated boys and underachieving young men.

880
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely fascinating book that I would say every father and

881
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: mother ought to read, even if they have girls. But

882
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: the when I first started reading the book, I was

883
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: a little bit skeptical of what I was going to read. Um.

884
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: And basically, you know, the book is just about the

885
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: challenges with young men and uh and I was viewing

886
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: it a lot of it through a a context of

887
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: parenthood that involved, you know, a lot of hands on

888
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 1: activity outside. The first chapter is uh, changes at school

889
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: and basically it talks about how the academic systems are

890
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: geared for less testosterone. Um. The second chapter is about

891
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 1: video games, and it gives all kind of crazy stats

892
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 1: about an epidemic almost like a health epidemic about video

893
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: games and how that's how that is uh uh, how

894
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: the developmental aspects of that that are that are hurting

895
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: boys that they're they're able to engage in basically the

896
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: emotions and the drama of actual activity without actually doing it,

897
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, like, so they're able to have the feeling

898
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: that they just winning conquered. Yeah, and and emotionally that

899
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: those things are are are are charged. I mean, those

900
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: those emotions spring up and so they feel like they've

901
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: actually done something, but they've actually not done something. And

902
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: and kind of the first time in history there's this

903
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: false thing that's happening inside of boys that can kind

904
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: of mess them up as opposed to going on a

905
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: real hunt where you have a real challenge and you

906
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: have real things that happen, and you have real problem

907
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: solving and you have to get your hands dirty, and

908
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, because those video games are are mimicking what

909
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: happens inside of a person in a real star. So

910
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: that's chapter two. The third. The fourth chapter is about

911
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: a d h D medications. It'll blow your mind to

912
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: read this stuff. And it doesn't deny a d h

913
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: D um, but it will talk about the epidemic of

914
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: diagnosing these boys and medicating boys, where we would talk

915
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: about how, I don't know, maybe some of our boys

916
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: would have been diagnosed with this if we would have

917
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: let somebody tell us that, but we didn't, and we

918
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 1: we work through a lot of developmental stuff. And anyway,

919
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: that's number the fourth one, and this is the one.

920
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: The fifth chapter was the one that I was most

921
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: skeptical of. And it's called in doctrine disruptors and uh

922
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: basically how plastics. Until you read this chapter, you're gonna

923
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: think I'm crazy, But this is true. Do you remember

924
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: johsh in doctrine disruptors. They're called mock estrogens. And the

925
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: best example, and when I tell people this who I

926
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: know will never read it, is that Christie. Do you know, uh,

927
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: like when you drink up a water bottle that's been

928
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: in the sun, has that plastic taste that is literally

929
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: mock estrogens and doctrine disruptors, synthetic estrogens that are being

930
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: released from that plastic that are in that water that

931
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: you're taking in. And basically the amount of testosterone and

932
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: boys today is like fifty percent less than what it

933
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: would have been in the nineteen fifties. Um, that's what

934
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: in the stats. Maybe it may have been, but like

935
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: dramatic reduce reduction and testosterone and testosterone is not just

936
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: sexual stuff. Testosterone is what makes a man a man,

937
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: gives them his drive for work, gives him his drive

938
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: to leave. I mean, there's a lot of powerful benefits,

939
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: just like estrogen have females, and so basically boys are

940
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: different than they used to be because of the amount

941
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: of plastics. Like, Josh, you were telling me the other day,

942
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: you were watching them put in a waterline down your

943
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: road or somewhere, and you're like, man, we don't really

944
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: know what that's gonna do. We do know for sure

945
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: that plastics have soluble chemicals that get into water. Anyway,

946
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: I was a skeptic. I was like, Ah, that's just

947
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 1: just somebody on a witch hunt. Bizarre though. Um, Anyway,

948
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: all that I would suggest this book, Josh, what were

949
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: your takeaway? Do you remember much about this? It's been

950
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: two years three years since. I think that was one

951
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: of the biggest things to me was just the effects

952
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: that that that was having on to see to to

953
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 1: literally think that that boys are chemically wired differently now

954
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: than they were in the fifties and sixties. It's like

955
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: you think about the advancements in in modern times and

956
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: you think about that that age and all the advancements

957
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: that took place then because there was a drive for things,

958
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: and now there's such a an apathy, you know, especially

959
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: in the generation that we have. The last chapter of

960
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 1: the book is called Failure to Launch, and it talks

961
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 1: about the massive epid immoic of a young man failing

962
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: to launch, and I mean it talks about the you know,

963
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: thirty five year old still living with their moms and

964
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: dad's unmarried and different things. Just that was totally not

965
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: normal in a different time. So yeah, that's one of

966
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: the main things. Yeah, yeah, Well go ahead, Christie. Well,

967
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about also something that, you know,

968
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 1: placing value on things that are good and wholesome. Like

969
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: I think back to you know, reading and understanding when

970
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: when all the soldiers came back from World War Two, right,

971
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: and there was like the g I Bill and some

972
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,959
Speaker 1: people put that towards college, and some people bought a home.

973
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: Some men bought a home and created a home for

974
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 1: their family and worked hard in a factory all day

975
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: long for fifty years until they retired. And and and

976
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: I think, I think there's massive value in honor. It's

977
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 1: honorable what they did. But today we would stand back

978
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: and say, I'm a man maybe who didn't get a

979
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: college degree and decided to work in a factory or

980
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: to manage a factory or do something with his hands,

981
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: is not as as honored or you know, esteemed as

982
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 1: the degree. And I think I think, you know, as

983
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: a society, we have to stand back and say, you know,

984
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: and we only know our own experience. But our son

985
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: David loves to do blacksmithing, or he likes to to

986
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: shoot guns. There's things he likes to do with his hands,

987
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: and we ensure that there's time an investment in those

988
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: things for him because we find that valuable in the

989
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: makeup of who he is. He's also very tech enabled.

990
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: I mean he he interns with a tech company. I mean,

991
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: so he does he does all that stuff to you.

992
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: But it's like it's like I think, I think we've

993
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: we've we've stopped valuing things that are just really ultimately

994
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: honorable and valuable. You you provided a home and and

995
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: and benefit and food for your family for forty years,

996
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, clocking in and out of a factory, and

997
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: there is nothing demeaning about that. It's it's honorable. And

998
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: I think as a society we've moved away from some

999
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: of that stuff, and and realizing that, you know, I mean,

1000
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: there's an opportunity to capitalize on things that we don't

1001
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: think about. You know, big companies making commitment to buy American, Well,

1002
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: there might be some fantastic opportunities to establish manufacturing, you know,

1003
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: small manufacturing that could sell to American companies here in

1004
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: America that doesn't require a college degree or doesn't require

1005
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: and and I think we're missing out on some of

1006
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: those opportunities for our young men by not saying that, hey,

1007
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: that's valuable to ye. You know. I think as we

1008
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: as we wind down, if we could, if I could

1009
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: encapsulate what I think how we transfer a value system

1010
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: into our kids. I think that a foundational piece of

1011
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: it is partnership between parents, definitely, and and that like

1012
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: if parents have to be on the same page I mean,

1013
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: a husband and wife have to be on the same page.

1014
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: And and there's there's people listening that that they're coming

1015
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: from a broken home, that are divorced or different things.

1016
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: And there's still ways for parents to partner together. I mean,

1017
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: there's all there's always, there's always a way and it

1018
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: and it starts with parents first of all, that are aware,

1019
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: that are concerned, that are willing to take a stand

1020
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: against the trend. I think that would be the biggest

1021
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: thing and a big thing. And parents that are truly

1022
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: invested in building relationship with their kids, which does not

1023
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: mean making them happy. That's I think that's a misper

1024
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: miss Uh. Some of the people have missed is that

1025
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: they think that building relationship with the kids means making

1026
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: them happy or making them like you. Josh and I

1027
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: have always joked that we don't care if our kids

1028
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: like us. We we say that jokingly, hyperbolically exaggeration to

1029
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: make a point. And but the truth is is that

1030
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: when you have that mind frame, your kids will like

1031
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: you because they'll motivators, not for our kids to like.

1032
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: And it's playing the long game. The long game. Yeah,

1033
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: of course, your kids not gonna like you when you're

1034
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, for the ten minutes after you tell them

1035
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: they can't get an ice cream cone when they're five

1036
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: years old. Yeah, you're playing the long game. Yeah. This

1037
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,439
Speaker 1: this we just got. We're coming off of Christmas break

1038
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: at school, and it's been interesting to me how many

1039
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like, uh, we we have a fourteen

1040
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: year old son and a sixteen year old daughter and

1041
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: they've brought in a bunch of kids as all break

1042
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: long to go hang out with Clay and con pellus

1043
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: is what we've called it all all for the last

1044
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: two weeks. Just they want a coon hunt every night,

1045
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: and Are our son has woken up early voluntarily to

1046
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: go and hunt, and to go across you know where

1047
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: he hunts hat in the morning and deerhead in the morning.

1048
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: And he comes home and I watch how animated he

1049
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: is talking to Clay about everything he did and everything

1050
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: he saw, and it's like, yeah, you know what, there

1051
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: were times where we had a four st our kids

1052
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: to put a long John's on and and wake up Are.

1053
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 1: We had to do some sacrifice here. I've bribery with bugs, juice,

1054
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: bringing bringing these little sugar infested drinks to deer camp,

1055
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: and things like that getting he had no organic and

1056
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: neither that die. But you know that's how we got

1057
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: up a four miles right cherry sours come up to

1058
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: the top of a mountain on a hike. But but

1059
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: now now that they're teenagers, are doing that stuff on

1060
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: their own, and and Mikela said, we've had ups and downs.

1061
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: We've had teenagers who we've had to pool all social media.

1062
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: We've had to say, oh man, we let this check

1063
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: out the box too soon. I mean, you you got

1064
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: a phone and you weren't ready for it. And we

1065
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: had to go back and backtrack and say, hey, we

1066
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: gave you some liberty we shouldn't have. We're taking it back.

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01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: And I mean, people just thought we were crazy kids

1068
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: at school, but but well they are crazy and uh,

1069
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: and we're good with that. We had enough relationship exactly

1070
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: with that particular child that it didn't crush them, even

1071
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: though it's very difficult for them. It was, but we

1072
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: had were we've been playing a long game with that one.

1073
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: They won and and we we we made adjustments and

1074
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 1: and we weren't afraid to make a decision. Um, and

1075
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: we had to watch our own social media and our

1076
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: own computer time and our own stuff too, to make

1077
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: sure we were there to support and be there. You know,

1078
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: it's tough to tell your kids to get off it

1079
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: if you're I was gonna say, what what we have

1080
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: seen with our kids at school? And we live in

1081
01:01:55,280 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: a very urban town and for Arkansas failtable, I mean

1082
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: kind of a yeah, pretty pretty urban, That's what I'll say.

1083
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: And uh, our kids are like the cool kids at

1084
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: school because of hunting. It's true. Yeah, I think it's

1085
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: pretty unique. And all the kids want to go. I

1086
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: mean like, yeah, all Christmas break there was lists of

1087
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: kids that wanted to go that we had to organize

1088
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: how to get to our house and when we're going

1089
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: to take them and all this and and uh always

1090
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: the trendsitting new comes. I'm trying to remember, miss you

1091
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: do you remember the story of someone was asking the

1092
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: kids there was a presentation at prison and do you

1093
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: know anyone famous or have you ever met someone? I

1094
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: can't remember? And Bear's answer was, my dad's a world

1095
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: famous bear hunter. And I think Ava, our youngest daughter,

1096
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: said that her dad worked at Sonic, which one wasn't true,

1097
01:02:55,400 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: and too, I don't know why that would make him Yeah, no, no, no,

1098
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: they were it was. It was years ago. If I

1099
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: had anyway, you took them there so much. It's on

1100
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: the way home. It's funny. At that time there was

1101
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: no I mean, Clay had no notoriety as a hunter whatsoever.

1102
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: There wasn't a podcast, there wasn't a Barony magazine. He

1103
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: just he just felt in his heart. He gave that

1104
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: big old dear I was. I was trying to summarize

1105
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: what we're saying. Um, happens a lot when we get together. Yes,

1106
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: relationship with kids, not being afraid to go against the trim,

1107
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: play the long game, play the long game with him.

1108
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: The earlier you get started, the better. UM and build

1109
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: a build a culture around what you value. You know,

1110
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: I think something that maybe has been lost in some

1111
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: ways in fatherhood and father's are the ones that do this.

1112
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: Mothers have a big part in it. I mean a

1113
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: massive part in it too. But it's starts. It can't

1114
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: just start. The way it works best is if it

1115
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: starts with a father. I believe that is that culture

1116
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: is built inside of a home, around the things that

1117
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: you value. And there's there's something so you know, we

1118
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: have built a value system that has honored and and

1119
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: and valued hunting and stuff. But it's deeper than that, though,

1120
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: because ultimately the value system goes into the principles by

1121
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: which we live by. You know, So, yeah, hunting, we

1122
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: go out and shoot animals, but there's principles. There's responsibility

1123
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: and stewardship and integrity and honesty, you know, I mean

1124
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: game laws. Nobody's watching over your shoulder to make sure

1125
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: you obey them. I mean, like there's a there's an

1126
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: internal value system that's even a layer deeper than external

1127
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: activity that we emphasize that we talk about. And so,

1128
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: but not every family is going to have hunting built

1129
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: around it in the same way as we have, just

1130
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: like you guys haven't, Josh. I mean, like honey has

1131
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: not been the biggest thing, but your value system has

1132
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: significantly been transferred to your kids. They they have an identity,

1133
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: they know who they are, they're not afraid to be different. Um.

1134
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: And that's really the main thing that that I wanted

1135
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: to talk about and just kind of give people just

1136
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: a little peak. It's hard to have a conversation like

1137
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: this just because where do you start with a from

1138
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: starting at zero to someone who just logged into a

1139
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: podcast too to get into um, the depths really of

1140
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: how we're parent you know what I was gonna start

1141
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: the podcast out with talking about biological success. In the

1142
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: biological world, success would be defined as when someone produces

1143
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: viable offspring. Okay, Like like for a bear to be

1144
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: biologically successful, it would mean that that bear would reproduce

1145
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: it's self and to offspring that was also able to

1146
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: reproduce viable offerings that make sense. And really, our success

1147
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: as humans, in my mind, is to to produce a

1148
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: replication not of ourselves because our kids will be different,

1149
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: but that have a value system that is able to

1150
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: be replicated again through them. Like I will be happy

1151
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: when my sons and daughters have families and they and

1152
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: and and really I hope they're hunters, But I don't

1153
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: care if they're hunters. What I care is that they

1154
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: would have those underlying principles that hunting gave them deeply

1155
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: instilled into their kids for generations to come. So generations

1156
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: of kids that I may never know that carry the

1157
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: Nukem name would be honest and have integrity, and would

1158
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: be responsible and would be uh introspective and would have

1159
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: all these values, you know. So my success would be

1160
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: that my kids would have that in past other generational continuance,

1161
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: something we talked about, and I think that if we

1162
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: do it right, that I bet five generations from now,

1163
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: should the earth persist that nucoms will be hunters? You know,

1164
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: I mean that that's and again I'm taking it outside

1165
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: of the hunting space and say this this hopefully could

1166
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: be Hopefully parents got something from this. Um. Do you

1167
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: remember Josh Christie was talking about one of the first

1168
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: turkey hunts we went on with our kids. I'll end

1169
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: with this story and I'll give you guys closing comments.

1170
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: We we took David Willow Mallory turkey youth, turkey huying

1171
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: and uh we got on some turkeys on public lands,

1172
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: some bird swinging, big old golf who had the gun

1173
01:07:55,040 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: David Spillmaker, Well, this was yes, okay, I want to okay,

1174
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: David head gun. So there's five of us, Me, Josh

1175
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: and these three little kids. I mean they could already

1176
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 1: hold the shotgun up and we started. We we heard

1177
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: a gobble moved in. I call, here come the turkeys.

1178
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: I told the kids. I was trying to tell them

1179
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: how still you had to be. And I told Mallory, Well,

1180
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: I told all know what it is about when you

1181
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: tell somebody to be still. I mean, it really gets

1182
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: deep inside them. Yes, well I told them, I said,

1183
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: turkey can see your eyes moving, you have to sit

1184
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: so still. And so when the turkeys start coming to view,

1185
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: Mallory Spillmaker closes her eyes and they walk literally almost

1186
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: on top of three beautiful, bright red headed gobblers come

1187
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 1: in and just strut in front of us, and uh,

1188
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: something happened that that time. Avid didn't shoot. Okay, it

1189
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: was a different time that he shot, but we couldn't

1190
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: get on him. Couldn't get on him, couldn't get on

1191
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: and then and then the turkeys just you know how

1192
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: they do. They just strutted away and just kind of

1193
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: got lost interest. And then when they left, I was

1194
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: just like, wow, caires, did you see that? And Mallory

1195
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 1: was like, no, I didn't have close. She had her

1196
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: eyes closed for ten minutes because she was afraid those

1197
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: turkeys were gonna see her. Uh. And then later the

1198
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: next year, David was able to He was a little

1199
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: bit bigger. Every year, they just kept getting a little

1200
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: bit better at handling shot and eventually we got uh,

1201
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: we got David a turkey, but he missed five times,

1202
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: one morning, five times on the same turkey with a

1203
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: single shot, with a single shot for a long beard gobbler.

1204
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm public plan in Arkansas too at that. But no, okay,

1205
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: twenty second closing thought ms newcom doctor not a doctor yet,

1206
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: uh doctor and training. I'm not sure that clean knows

1207
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 1: what a dissertation entails. No, just I don't really have

1208
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: any strong closing thoughts. But just you know, parenting is

1209
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: is is tough these days, and it's tough to push

1210
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: against the grain and and you know, we should all

1211
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: kind of join together in solidarity, and it takes some community.

1212
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: That's part of what we wanted to bring Josh and

1213
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 1: Christie is we really have not just Josh and Christie.

1214
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: We've got a wide net of people that were really

1215
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: close with but but we really have raised our kids

1216
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: side by side. It would have been super hard to

1217
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: put the boundaries on our kids if they didn't have

1218
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:44,680
Speaker 1: friends that are the same boundaries, it would have been

1219
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: super difficult. And that's part of the power of of

1220
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: of putting them in the school that we did, in

1221
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: the church that we did, and shared value system. It

1222
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: really is a shared value Yep. Yeah, it definitely takes

1223
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: takes community. Josh, Well, I think the thing that that

1224
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: really is important to me and stands out to me

1225
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 1: is just the role of the father and uh, the

1226
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: commitment that a father has to have first and foremost

1227
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: too to his wife. Inside of the home, you know,

1228
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: you're you're given a sphere of influence, and inside of

1229
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: that sphere of influence your first, your first place of

1230
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: influences with your wife, and so it requires that you

1231
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: are um presenting to her what a husband really should

1232
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: look like, UM in a in a place of sacrifice,

1233
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: in a place of provision, in a place of really

1234
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: just building a stable environment. And then of course the

1235
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 1: next place of influences your children. And your children have

1236
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: to see that accurate pattern from the very top down.

1237
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 1: You can't skip the wife and go straight to the kids.

1238
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: That's not going to produce the fruit that you're looking for.

1239
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: So what that really means is that fathers have to

1240
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: be able to get up in the morning and evaluate

1241
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: and start their day off intentionally UM and be able

1242
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: to create an vironment in their home where the transfer

1243
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: of values is easy, because there's lots of things that

1244
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: a father can do to restrict that that flow. So

1245
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: you have to create that environment where that transfer of

1246
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 1: value is conducive. I'll put it that way, conducive and uh,

1247
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: and I think the byproduct of that will will be

1248
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: much more positive than than than just trying to let

1249
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: it happen. Um and I just that's the thing I

1250
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 1: would say to two dad's and out there is is

1251
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 1: be intentional. You know, you don't. Don't let us slip by,

1252
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: and it's gonna happen a lot quicker than you expect

1253
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: to happen if your children are young. You know, you

1254
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: hear it all the time with the old timers said,

1255
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: it goes by so fast, and you really don't know

1256
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: until you get there, but it will go by fast.

1257
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: And one thing I've learned our oldest daughter was was

1258
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 1: a very very very intense young one, and Christie and

1259
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: I were not fantastic parents. We were new at it.

1260
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: We didn't have any experience, and she came out of

1261
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: the womb intense. But one thing that we did know

1262
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 1: that we needed to do was to be consistent and uh,

1263
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: to give her consistency. And so we were consistent in

1264
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,520
Speaker 1: our discipline, we were consistent in our love and tenderness,

1265
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: and consistent in our compassion with her, consistent with being firm,

1266
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 1: and it's really produced a very um, incredible young lady.

1267
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 1: And uh, it's not due to any secret parenting tricks

1268
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: that we knew, but just just consistent consistency and in

1269
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: being able to go back and evaluate and say where

1270
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: did we miss it? Where do we do good? And

1271
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: to really make adjustments in our life and in our

1272
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: parenting together and to do it together. You know, that's

1273
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 1: the other thing, This partnership with a with a mother

1274
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: and father. Um, that's really what it takes. I think, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can real quick jump off of that. Just I

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Speaker 1: think about when when Clay, how we celebrate when you

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Speaker 1: when you get a deer or bear that you've been

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Speaker 1: and after the kids or whatever. And there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of work that goes into producing that result and um

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Speaker 1: and looking back and saying, hey, it was all worth it,

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Speaker 1: Like it was all worth it, even in the moments

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Speaker 1: when you got it, in the moments when you didn't.

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Speaker 1: And I think I think just talking to the people

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Speaker 1: who are going to listen and who are hunters that

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Speaker 1: same same with parenting. I mean, you put in the

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Speaker 1: work and you will see good fruit and uh, and

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Speaker 1: you win some, you lose some. Like Josh said, when

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Speaker 1: you lose them, you you figure out what you can

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Speaker 1: learn from it and take that into the next one.

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Speaker 1: But but in the same way that you go through

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Speaker 1: the journey and the work that goes into being able

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Speaker 1: to get the animal or whatever it is, like invest

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Speaker 1: in and parenting it, it really does produce some some

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Speaker 1: great stuff and we're really blessed to be getting to

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Speaker 1: see some of the fruit of those years and us

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Speaker 1: right now. And super grateful, I mean, I know you

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Speaker 1: said it multiple times, super grateful to have to have

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Speaker 1: been a part of U raising our kids with the

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Speaker 1: new Combs and that's why our circle of friends that

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Speaker 1: that we have. But but man, we could not have

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Speaker 1: done it outside of community. All right, guys, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, m N You're welcome. Mr Josh Christie, thank

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Speaker 1: you guys for a pleasure. Josh you not in this podcast.

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Speaker 1: What to say that again? You know how to end

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Speaker 1: this podcast. I'm gonna let you do it, I do.

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Speaker 1: You know what's funny is, I was just actually thinking

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Speaker 1: about that. I was wondering if I was going to

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Speaker 1: get to say it. Do it And from the from

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Speaker 1: the Bear Hunting Global Headquarters We just want to say,

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Speaker 1: keep the wild things, keep the wild places wild, wild

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Speaker 1: places wild. We're gonna let Christie do it, Okay, Christie

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Speaker 1: Okay from the global headquarters of Bear Hunting magazine, Keep

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Speaker 1: the wild places, wilds where the bears are. Keep Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we really I know how much y'all listen to the

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Speaker 1: very end, Like people get to like the last two minutes,

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Speaker 1: they're like, oh, they're just messing around. They closed it all.

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Speaker 1: You just need to have shepherd. Yet every time, right on,

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Speaker 1: right on, mm hmm,