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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to Casual Friday

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Speaker 1: Chatter Chatter with Polly and Tracy. I'm Polly Fry, I'm

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Speaker 1: Tracy Vie Wilson. Our first episode this week was kind

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Speaker 1: of all casual chatter. That's exactly what I was thinking.

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Speaker 1: It was like, we had casual Friday on Monday. Yes,

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Speaker 1: uh in talking about this this wild time that we're

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Speaker 1: living through. But then we got to talk about someone

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Speaker 1: that you picked out and who is one of the

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Speaker 1: more charming figures we have talked about in recent history

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, Yeah, lighthousekeeper Ida Lewis. So I had

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Speaker 1: a circuitous path of getting to this topic that I

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Speaker 1: alluded to at the beginning of the episode. This sort

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Speaker 1: of illustrates how my working life has changed. UM. The

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Speaker 1: first thing was I had thought about doing UM an

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Speaker 1: episode on the Athenian Play and I'm I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: I'll never do that, but so many, uh so many

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Speaker 1: of our listeners have talked about how stressed out they

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Speaker 1: have been, and we're so appreciative when we dropped a

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Speaker 1: playlist of just goofy offbeat stuff. But I was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe a really stressful episode about a plague

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Speaker 1: is not where I want to go right now. Like,

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Speaker 1: I know there's value in talking about the historical context

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Speaker 1: for things, but there are so many places to get

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Speaker 1: pandemic news right now, and so many people have told

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Speaker 1: us about just how phenomenally stressed out they were. I

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Speaker 1: was like, let's let's do something. Let's find something that

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Speaker 1: feels positive and uplifting but also seems thematically appropriate to

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Speaker 1: what we're living through. And that's how I eventually wound

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Speaker 1: up on Idle Louis. But Idle Louis was not actually

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Speaker 1: my first choice, which was not the first person that

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Speaker 1: occurred to me. UM. The first person that I actually

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Speaker 1: thought about doing was Emily Dickinson, who was not as

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Speaker 1: solitary as a lot of people think of her UM,

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Speaker 1: and that was one of the things that I was

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Speaker 1: I got very excited about this idea of doing an

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Speaker 1: episode about Emily Dickinson and talking about that that aspect

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Speaker 1: of her. But then I was like, Amherst is just

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Speaker 1: down the street, not literally, it's but you know, we

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Speaker 1: could get in the car and go there. We can't

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Speaker 1: right now, though, Can I go to Amherst uh, And

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Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I would kind of rather

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Speaker 1: do this episode at a time when I can go

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Speaker 1: um and visit where she lived, because you know, when

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Speaker 1: I have the opportunity to do that, I really enjoy

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Speaker 1: doing that. UM. So I said, Okay, I'll put Emily

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Speaker 1: Dickinson back on the list of things to talk about later. Um.

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Speaker 1: But then when I got into the Idle Louis episode,

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Speaker 1: I kept running into situations where I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it really felt like UM. Because I do so much

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Speaker 1: work at home, Because I do so much work that's

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Speaker 1: related to sources that are online, I was not expecting

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Speaker 1: a big disruption in my work. However, Ida Lewis's personnel

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Speaker 1: record is something that's open to the public. It cannot

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Speaker 1: be requested right now because the library is closed. The

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Speaker 1: biography that was written of her in the nineteenth century

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Speaker 1: that we referenced in the episode is a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff of that age has been digitized, and you can

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Speaker 1: get to it at places like the Project Guttenberg or

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Speaker 1: archive dot org or something similar. That particular work does

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Speaker 1: exist on microfiche and as a physical copy in two

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Speaker 1: different libraries that I can access. The library is closed, though,

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Speaker 1: so It's just like, this is a case where I

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Speaker 1: would have had some physical sources I might have gone

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Speaker 1: library is closed. I do feel like that's the correct

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Speaker 1: decision for the library to be closed, but it it

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Speaker 1: kind of tickled me a little bit that it turned

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Speaker 1: out that that was the case with this particular episode.

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Speaker 1: I like that. Um, Again, not to make light of

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Speaker 1: any of it, but we have been very frank that

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Speaker 1: we're very fortunate because we can keep doing our jobs

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Speaker 1: from home relatively uninterrupted, but that somehow it managed to

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Speaker 1: be interrupted just the same. UM, it's interesting. I have

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Speaker 1: a question for you, which, UM, let me just ask

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Speaker 1: a question. Are you and Emily Dickinson person? Uh? I

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Speaker 1: own a copy of her entire I have a complicated

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Speaker 1: relationship with Emily Dickinson. Okay, me too, UM trying So

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Speaker 1: Emily Dickinson is so it tends to be such a huge,

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Speaker 1: huge part of American literature classes. She gets kind of

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Speaker 1: when you notice patterns in the rhythm of her writing,

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Speaker 1: noticed them. What song is it for you? Um? Because

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Speaker 1: And then it becomes obvious that you can sing every

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Speaker 1: one of her poems to this song. But I've discovered

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Speaker 1: that different people have different songs. Yes, you don't want

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Speaker 1: Skip ahead by thirty seconds. The theme from Gilligan's Island

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Speaker 1: Oh Mine is yellow Rose of Texas. That also works

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Speaker 1: both of them. But then the thing is, her life

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Speaker 1: has been so mischaracterized, um, and there are so many

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Speaker 1: just wonderful biographies of her that have come out more

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Speaker 1: recently that have given us a more honest look, UM

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Speaker 1: at what her life was like and what uh what

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Speaker 1: happens to her literary legacy after she died, Like I

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Speaker 1: found all, I found all that really fascinating. I in

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways feel like she is a kindred spirit,

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Speaker 1: even though I can't stop myself from singing songs while

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Speaker 1: I'm reading her poet. I will say I'm not the

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Speaker 1: hugest fan of her poetry because that sort of makes

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Speaker 1: it feel a little simplistic to me in a way

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Speaker 1: that I don't connect to UM. But also I think

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Speaker 1: it's one of those things where she has been so romanticized.

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Speaker 1: And we talked about this phenomenon on the show before.

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Speaker 1: She and her biography and her life story has been

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Speaker 1: so romanticized that it does the great disservice of completely

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Speaker 1: including the person that she actually was. So I'm glad

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Speaker 1: that you're planning an episode because we are Emily Dickinson

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Speaker 1: MythBuster H. We will keep our fingers crossed UM that

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Speaker 1: at some points the pandemic has ended, UH and you know,

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Speaker 1: are the places in Amherst, Massachusetts that are related to

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Speaker 1: her life will be open for visitors again. And I

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Speaker 1: will UH coerce my husband into going on a road

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Speaker 1: trip with me, which is UM actually that that my

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what is. I have

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Speaker 1: not asked him about this at all. He has been

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Speaker 1: just very accommodating and on board. Various times that I

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Speaker 1: have suggested some random road trip to go to, usually

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Speaker 1: somewhere in Massachusetts or an adjacent UH state, to do

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Speaker 1: some kind of podcast research. UM. He has, he's been

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Speaker 1: on board. He's been game for all of that. UM.

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Speaker 1: Possibly because of the like the ubiquity and weird representation

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Speaker 1: of Emily Dickinson and most people's high school lives. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you would be on board for

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Speaker 1: that one. I could just go by myself. He'd be fine,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I have any in the hopper right

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Speaker 1: now that I'm like, I would like to travel to

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Speaker 1: go check this out. Well, another place that is not

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Speaker 1: quite as close to here, but is doable and is

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Speaker 1: somebody that everybody hit not a lot. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people have got a lot of request to talk about

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Speaker 1: Lucy maud Montgomery. I know, I'm Prince Edward Island though

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Speaker 1: it's just right over there. We can all travel again.

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Speaker 1: I would like to go to their. Yeah, that's less

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Speaker 1: would want to travel first when all of this blows over,

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Speaker 1: presuming we may it through and all of the places

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know who I'm kidding. I'm going.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting in the car and going to Disney World

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Speaker 1: the minute. The minute you have a chance. I also

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Speaker 1: want to make it clear and just in case anybody

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Speaker 1: is feeling frustrated, Uh, we understand absolutely that this is

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Speaker 1: when we say blow over, we don't mean like a

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Speaker 1: magical ferry is going to make it stop being a pandemic. No,

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Speaker 1: I mean when we are on the other side of this.

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Speaker 1: However long it takes to get on the other side

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Speaker 1: of this with we hope as as little animal yes,

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Speaker 1: as minimal loss as possible, we hope. Um. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: And part of that for me is because I have

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Speaker 1: been traveling so much. Part of it is, um, like,

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Speaker 1: where would I travel to just for fun? Initially it's

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Speaker 1: one of the things that we think about. But yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure there will be somewhere historically relevant that

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Speaker 1: will want to probably go everywhere after not not being

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Speaker 1: anywhere for a while, So we'll see, Yeah, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Oh and just in case people are curious, we were

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Speaker 1: planning to go to Italy in May that is postponed

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Speaker 1: is postponed, yeah to October, just in case people were like,

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Speaker 1: whenever it happened to the only trip, that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: The folks that have booked on it are all aware. Yes, yes, yes. Michael,

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Speaker 1: who handles all of all of those travels and who

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Speaker 1: managed our our trip to Paris last year, has been

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Speaker 1: really great about making sure that everybody's bookings can transfer

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Speaker 1: you booked that. Yeah, yeah, that's um, we have no

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Speaker 1: any updates there. But in the meantime, everybody continue to

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